[Underdude]

Boom I like Mainstay food and water rations. I think they're in my pics I posted.
Look at compact water jugs and a filter too.
Cheaper than dirt sells mres and the like. Just check prices.

[Mrknot]

Boomstick Mike, on 10 July 2011 - 09:17 PM, said:

I dont have enough water on hand.

What do you suggest for me?

What is you wishlist in your food and water section?

I always watch for the cases of .5L bottled water to go on sale...they last forever if you keep them out of direct sunlight.
I try to have at least 5 cases, (about 150 bottles give or take). We use them and buy more...
So with that I have about 15-16 gallons of drinking water.
I keep about 6 gallons in used milk jugs around, rotated via daily trips to the dog park.
Additionally, I have a 55 gallon drum under the gutter spout and it rains quite a but here.

For food I just try to make sure I have an ample supply of staples on hand:
About...
20# rice
20# flour
10# salt
5# sugar
10# quinoa
1# black peppercorns, (spice is nice)
10# various dried fruits and veggies
10# dried beans, (pinto, black, kidney, etc)
10# dried pasta
10 cans tuna fish
Gatorade powder
Multi-vitamins

I also have a family of 4.
I think that would keep us going for a couple of weeks to a month if we streched it.

[Underdude]

Might last longer than that.
I've got a couple boxes of instant mash, cans of evaporated milk, rice, spices, beef jerky, and canned tomatoes.
It's my shelter in place stuff.

[mattifikation]

I will loot amazon.com.

[Bob]

Matt
Count me in...

[fg42lol]

if that's the case, I want to loot ebay. more random crap there.

[Zombreach]

fg42lol, on 11 July 2011 - 08:54 AM, said:

if that's the case, I want to loot ebay. more random crap there.

Only problem with that idea is e-bay is a compilation of individual sellers...whereas Amazon is more of a warehouse with the addition of some individual sellers. Anyone know where the Amazon stockpile is located?

[nleksan]

CAVU45, on 08 July 2011 - 10:24 AM, said:

That small a population with that many businesses? It's either a very rich area or very depressed. That's not alot of people to support those shops.

As for the MP7. I'd rather have the range of an M4 with the ammo availability.

It is an upper-middle-class suburb that supports, economically, the four or five surrounding suburbs that do not have as high of a per-capita income. It is also geographically positioned in an advantageous way, being that it is right off the main highway circling the metropolitan area, so anyone living in the suburbs around it are going to be passing through anytime they are going to or from the city.

And I agree, I'd rather have an M4/HK416 for a multitude of reasons, including ease of finding ammunition and spare parts, range, compatibility with aftermarket accessories, and personal experience and comfort with the platform. I just find the MP7 to be a very novel weapon, although after more thought I concur that most all of its advantages in modern combat (compactness and armor-piercing ability on par with some full-size rifles) would not necessarily be advantageous in combat with zombies. It might prove useful against hostile humans who have scavenged body armor, but that would likely be a rare scenario.

[Underdude]

For ebay looting you would need to find someone who sells other peoples items for a living. They keep those in storage.

[ze4operator]

Boomstick Mike, on 29 June 2011 - 08:44 PM, said:

What do you think would be the first 5 business types or business chains to get ransacked during the initial looting phase of the zombie apocalypse? Then give me your choice of where you would first loot. Different distances aren't a factor in choosing because they are all 1 mile away. If you don't have 5 I still would like your thoughts and however many you do have and your choice. I will wait to post mine at first so I don't mess with anyone's ideas.

what 5 businesses do i believe will be looted initially by the masses in my AO...hmmm :

jewelry store
electronics store
liquor store
hair weave store
convience store

most seeem to get hit on an every day occurance what difference would a zombie apocalypse make to these oxygen thiefs...

as for me i would avoid any business and armories, it makes sence to "hit" soft targets that are "off the grid" so to speak like FEMA and DMAT cache's that are stock piled in every community , just gotta look for things hidden in plain sight.

[mattifikation]

The problem with the MP7 is ammo availability. You'd have to stockpile ammo, which defeats the purpose of having a light, compact, mobile weapon.

[Underdude]

Your AO?
Sounds like you're lucky if everyone around you is looting jewelery, electronics, and wigs.

I went inside a Big5 store this weekend and was surprised at what they had.
There were AR and SP89 type weapons in 22 lr. Also saw some M1A "clones" I guess you would call them. Not Springfields, no flash hider, bayonet lug, but 10 round mags that were the same size as the 20's.
Lots of surplus stuff like Moison, MAS 49, a couple of Enfields, and 1 1903 Springfield. They were busy so I didn't get a closer look. They don't know much about weapons anyway.
This caught my attention though......
Off brand night vision device, gen 1+, 3.8X, for 100 bucks. What do you think? Worth it? Pretty damn cheap I think. Don't remember the name, Night Owl maybe? It also has an integral mount attached.
The good stuff costs a fortune, especially the new black/white instead of a green. How much should gen 1+ or gen 2 cost?

[Boomstick Mike]

Underdude, on 11 July 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Your AO?
Sounds like you're lucky if everyone around you is looting jewelery, electronics, and wigs.

I went inside a Big5 store this weekend and was surprised at what they had.
There were AR and SP89 type weapons in 22 lr. Also saw some M1A "clones" I guess you would call them. Not Springfields, no flash hider, bayonet lug, but 10 round mags that were the same size as the 20's.
Lots of surplus stuff like Moison, MAS 49, a couple of Enfields, and 1 1903 Springfield. They were busy so I didn't get a closer look. They don't know much about weapons anyway.
This caught my attention though......
Off brand night vision device, gen 1+, 3.8X, for 100 bucks. What do you think? Worth it? Pretty damn cheap I think. Don't remember the name, Night Owl maybe? It also has an integral mount attached.
The good stuff costs a fortune, especially the new black/white instead of a green. How much should gen 1+ or gen 2 cost?

Was that an ironic rant?

Ao (青, Ao) is a shinobi of Kirigakure and skilled enough to be a member of his country's ANBU Hunter-nin squad. I got this info from my daughter BTW! Shinobi = Ninja. Maybe he meant something diff.

[Underdude]

I think he was refering to area of operation.

[Boomstick Mike]

Underdude, on 11 July 2011 - 07:22 PM, said:

I think he was refering to area of operation.

I figured I had a 50/50 shot at guessing this acronym. Well, that was embarrassing! I'll never rely on info from a 12 year old anime/cosplay nerd again. I'll go easy on her this one time, she did draw me a sweet manga zombie pic the other day.

[CAVU45]

nleksan, on 11 July 2011 - 12:56 PM, said:

And I agree, I'd rather have an M4/HK416 for a multitude of reasons, including ease of finding ammunition and spare parts, range, compatibility with aftermarket accessories, and personal experience and comfort with the platform. I just find the MP7 to be a very novel weapon, although after more thought I concur that most all of its advantages in modern combat (compactness and armor-piercing ability on par with some full-size rifles) would not necessarily be advantageous in combat with zombies. It might prove useful against hostile humans who have scavenged body armor, but that would likely be a rare scenario.

Ugh, HK416 An expensive solution looking for a nonexistant problem.

mattifikation, on 11 July 2011 - 03:11 PM, said:

The problem with the MP7 is ammo availability. You'd have to stockpile ammo, which defeats the purpose of having a light, compact, mobile weapon.

And I'll take the range an M4 has to offer also.

[ze4operator]

Underdude, on 11 July 2011 - 03:41 PM, said:

Your AO?
Sounds like you're lucky if everyone around you is looting jewelery, electronics, and wigs.

I went inside a Big5 store this weekend and was surprised at what they had.
There were AR and SP89 type weapons in 22 lr. Also saw some M1A "clones" I guess you would call them. Not Springfields, no flash hider, bayonet lug, but 10 round mags that were the same size as the 20's.
Lots of surplus stuff like Moison, MAS 49, a couple of Enfields, and 1 1903 Springfield. They were busy so I didn't get a closer look. They don't know much about weapons anyway.
This caught my attention though......
Off brand night vision device, gen 1+, 3.8X, for 100 bucks. What do you think? Worth it? Pretty damn cheap I think. Don't remember the name, Night Owl maybe? It also has an integral mount attached.
The good stuff costs a fortune, especially the new black/white instead of a green. How much should gen 1+ or gen 2 cost?

AO area of operation....is virgin-ia for now....then its back to wyoming! they say va is for lovers but i say its for easier access to welfare... lol its like a mass migration/influx of ny and nj oxygen thiefs whos motto is "work harder, we on welfare depend on you" personally its great, its like everyday is an adventure in the zombie outbreak...esp on the 1st of the month grocery shopping. =)

[Bob]

It's not just there it is the whole north East

[ze4operator]

Bob, on 12 July 2011 - 12:40 PM, said:

It's not just there it is the whole north East

i hear ya bob. your so right.

[nleksan]

CAVU45, on 11 July 2011 - 08:10 PM, said:

Ugh, HK416 An expensive solution looking for a nonexistant problem.


And I'll take the range an M4 has to offer also.

As far as the HK416, it's not expensive if it's looted from a gun shop, is it? :) I'm not arguing that there aren't equally capable weapons out there for a significantly smaller dollar amount (I personally like Rock River Arms builds), I just personally enjoy using the HK416 more. Maybe its due in part to my general appreciation for German engineering, or the fact that I've never fired an H&K weapon that I wasn't thoroughly impressed with (I'll never forget the first time I fired an MP5SD...), it could also be that I don't particularly enjoy taking apart AR's to clean out the inside of the receiver and doing away with the direct impingement gas system makes that a less frequent occurrence, or maybe it's just a combination of all of the aforementioned and more. It's not as if in a ZPAW I would ignore any M4's or M16's lying on the ground just in the hopes of finding myself an HK416, but if I came across the HK I sure as hell wouldn't leave it.

And firearm choice comes down to personal preference, just like cars and women; some guys tilt the scale in opposite directions when considering price versus performance. For example, I am a huge fan of BMW's, and they are the only car that I will purchase (I buy them used, so I'm not trying to come off like some rich prick, because I'm definitely not rich, and I like to think I'm not a prick). I just love the way BMW's drive, the way they handle, the smoothness of the engine and transmission, the perfect clutch engagement, and the fact that if one knows what they're doing, they can be modified to be even better. Not to mention that my life was saved by a BMW a few years back when I was run off the road at 55-60mph, flipped and rolled, and walked away with only a mild concussion. Alas, between collecting firearms, modifying and autocrossing my bimmer, and paying for school, it was getting too expensive, and out of the three I chose to let the guns go, as I have a much stronger emotional attachment to my car. Not to mention that with nearly $20k into it in modifications (wheels and tires, every single component of both the suspension and braking systems upgraded, N/A engine modifications, and multitude of various other tweaks), it was truly one of a kind, plus I would've only gotten 10% back from the upgrades if sold on the regular market, maybe 30-40% if to an enthusiast.
I DO happen to have pictures of my car right here on my computer, so I'd be happy to post them if anyone is interested.

I agree with the second part, but perhaps even more important than the range that an M4 has to offer is the fact that the 5.56 NATO is likely going to be used by most, if not all, assault rifles and LMG's that could be scooped up in the aftermath of a zombie invasion in which the military/police were fully mobilized. Only having to look for one or two types (5.56 and 7.62) of ammunition for the entire group's weapons is a huge advantage IMO (not counting handgun/submachinegun ammunition, which is plentiful in its own right). Sure, it would be nice to have some specialized weapons firing higher-powered cartridges like the .300Win-Mag, .338Lapua, or .50BMG but keeping in mind that, as far as we know at least, zombies don't wear body armor or hide behind rolled homogenous armor, the smaller cartridges should more than suffice ;) Although, the one thing that the higher-powered cartridges offer that might be worth the added bulk/stress/whatever for some people, myself included, is range. If it were up to me, I'd much prefer engagements at long range with a bunch of flesh-eating zombies than to deal with them up super-close, and while tradition dictates that only a headshot will put a zombie down permanently, I'm pretty sure that even from 800m a hit to the chest from a 300gr .338 Lapua Magnum VLD round would immensely decrease the threat level that particular zombie would be capable of presenting. Not to mention that should a horde of zombies be fast-approaching, I personally would rather be holding them off while standing behind a mounted M2HB than an M249, due to the fact that the .50cal rounds would likely deliver much more "bang for my buck", potentially passing through multiple targets. With such a powerful cartridge, I would also imagine that one would be more able to "spray and pray" due to the fact that at the very least a couple hundred rounds of .50BMG fired into a crowd of zombies at waist-level would result in a crowd of slowly-crawling zombies, potentially giving enough time for myself and/or the rest of the people I'm with to make a clean get-away. (I realize that there wouldn't be M2's on every street corner, but there would be plenty of military vehicles, hopefully, that could be taken and "repurposed"... I know I wouldn't mind mounting a few heavy machineguns as defensive weapons wherever I happen to hole-up, what about y'all?)