[hotlead]

Zephyr, I think you're full of $h!t.

Wanna sell some surplus 7.62 NATO AP rounds?

[Mrknot]

You won't post pictures of your ammo for "security" reasons...because the government will profile you.
Yet you freely admit, even brag, about your drug use, destruction of private property, your possession of ammo illegal in your state, your ability to purchase illegal firearms, and explosives, (how else would you blow up roads?), your ability to produce explosive projectiles, (also highly illegal regardless of where you live), and your willingness to use all of these items against our military.

I still wonder at your master plan to head up into the mountains, destroying the roads behind you, thus cutting off your only means of getting back down.
Regardless of how many emergency rations you have set aside, any pre-packaged food will eventually run out or go bad, and you will need to go back for resupply. If you can't take your tactical RV back down the mountain, it's going to be a long hike humping 400,000 rounds of 22lr back to civilization.
Like the man said;
I thought I watched too much TV...

[Underdude]

hotlead, on 02 June 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:

Zephyr, I think you're full of $h!t.

Wanna sell some surplus 7.62 NATO AP rounds?

I'll take some, haven't seen those in years.

I reload all the time, still can't even come close to 400,000 rounds. I'd be worried about getting raided.

I wanna hear about those "exploding" rounds.

[hotlead]

That's cuz they're a no-no, and he's as likely to have any of that as he is to have anything other than a Wards bolt action .22 rifle(mom won't let him get a bigger gun), or magic shotgun shells and the ray gun his friend fries military vehicles for fun with.

Very little of that stuff is on the market, even pulling down .30-06 AP to load into .308 cases is no good. .30-06 AP was grandfathered because of the massive amounts of surplus on the market at the time.

[Bob]

I remember exploding rounds.
They had a primer in the hole in a hollow point.
I had one for the longest time.
I think it got lost rather than shot.

Like UD I load in bulk.
I won't put powder in the dump if I am not going to load at least a thousand rounds.
I have no idea how much ammunition I have on hand, it does run into the thousands of round for all the calibers I shoot though.
I will say I have enough that I have trouble storing it.
Lets just talk about the trunk of my car.
I have 4-5 hundred 9mm, 100 shotgun shells, 100 rounds 10mm, 100 rounds 357, at least fifty probably 100 rounds of 45acp.
Somewhere around five hundred 22 long rifle I think that's about it.

I would not claim to have 400,00 rounds



You have crap 22 ammo.
I never ever buy bulk packs, they fill those with the last run before the reset.
Basically floor sweepings...

[Underdude]

Hell, I wish I could afford to keep 400,000 laying around. I wouldn't have to pull that lever for a few months. No cuts, bruises or blisters sounds good enough.

[CAVU45]

You'll have to excuse Zephyr. He hasn't learned that what he sees on TV, movies, and games isn't applicable to real life. He's also full of . I hope he lives on a ground floor apartment. The weight of all that ammunition could cause serious problems to a wooden floor.

[mattifikation]

Watch out for Zephyr's EMP laz0r beamz!!!

[Underdude]

Wow, this just gets better all the time.
I'd rather deal with him than that undeadheraldking toad.
Let's see if he gets humbled now and starts to listen instead of watching tv.

[Bob]

You know 400000 is just such a huge number it's hard to believe.
If he had said he and his friend combined have a "really large" or "insane amount" of ammunition things would have been different.
I have several friends and acquaintances who have stupidly large amounts of ammunition on hand.
Combined we would have a staggering amount but other than the one in Texas who reloaded commercially I would wager not a one of us really knows how much he has on hand.
I don't, hell every time I clean my shop I find a few hundred rounds of 9mm, I swear that stuff reproduces.
I can't imagine storing that much.
Anyone remember the guy in CA that dug a root cellar under his attached garage for ammunition storage.
I can't remember what happened but he got busted for something and the police confiscated it.

[hotlead]

If we're thinking of the same thing, he got called on a domestic disturbance and a K-9 officer happened to be the one who showed up. The dog was going ape-S and gave them probable cause to search for drugs, they initially found a bunch of illegal firearms and stuff that caused a warrant and a complete tossing of the house and property.

That's when they found his stash, I think the real issue they had there was the amount of propellant and primers he had. To an extent, most cities and counties here don't care how much loaded ammo you have, it's the amount of powder and primers(ie. Explosives, in their definition) that they get all pissy about.

[Underdude]

Black powder is explosive, not smokeless powder.
Primers are explosives as well.

[hotlead]

We both know that, but the media and our dutiful government representatives don't have much of a sense of humor, or interest in the facts.

[Underdude]

hotlead, on 03 June 2011 - 11:07 PM, said:

We both know that, but the media and our dutiful government representatives don't have much of a sense of humor, or interest in the facts.

Yeah I know. A few years back I mailordered MRE heaters. They called me the next day saying they forgot to charge me hazmat fee, but for no extra cost they would deliver heaters that required salt and water to activate them.
I declined.

[Bob]

I don't remember components being the problem but that might just be I heard a different version.
All I remember clearly is he had hollowed out a space under the slab of his garage and had filled it with crates of ammunition.
As I recall he was a nut not a gun runner.
It could be the same guy though.

[Underdude]

I think the only state laws about smokeless powder are the amount you can carry in a vehicle without a permit and how much you can keep on hand without a blast container. Don't know about black powder. It can be set off by static electricity and friction.

[daewoo]

I obviously don't have illegal explosives lying around, but that doesn't mean I can't get what i need when I need them. i don't suppose you guys happen to know where to find the local blackmarket gun outlet? they sell anything & everything.

whatever not-so-legals I have was found in my piles of LEGAL ammunition. like the boxes of AP 7.62x54r. the store sure as hell didn't know it was AP. they knew it has a steel case & a steel in the bullet, but not sure if that's a steel jacket or steel core. and it wasn't until i sectioned a round when i found they were not just any old steel core bullets, but hardened steel core bullets. I have found considerable amounts of not-so-legal rounds in my surplus ammunition, which appears to be rounds just dumped into a wooden case rather than packaged. so if those not-so-legal around where in the case, and neither the seller or buyer (me) was aware of the fact, it's not really our fault. blame the people who packaged the ammo in some factory across the ocean.
also possessing knowledge of how to make grenade launchers and whatever isn't illegal. knowledge isn't illegal, the stuff is. but i don't have the stuff right now, so i'm not breaking any laws. still, knowing how to make bombs isn't stuff you wanna let the government know about, since somehow to them knowledge the same thing as actually having the illegal stuff. (the war on terrorism and all that crap).

most of my ammo is in storage. its a major PITA to haul it out just to photo it. they're all in the garage placed, squeezed, or ingeniously wiggled into all kinds of nooks & crannies. it was hard enough to put them IN, i don't want to try and get them OUT just to photo. and since ammo is real heavy, generally they're always on the bottom layer of everything else, in the far back, so just to get a glimpse of them is a huge effort. and some of it is just placed in incredibly inaccessible areas, so hard to get up there I'm not gonna try unless you pay me. Such as the bulk cases of shotshells- been sealed in plastic, dessicant pack put in, and much of it carefully put on the studs (walls) of the upper garage storage area. then nailed some wood over it, so they're hidden from view.

but i got some more photos anyway. only the stuff readily accessible. didn't take photo of ammo in the safe... 2 reasons: first its really well packed in there, feared if i took it out I'd never figure out the 3D-tetris like puzzle to get them all back in; second couldn't photo just hte outermost edge because there's other sensitive stuff in the safe I don't want to share.

First: all the ammo cans with current levels of ammo in them. Corrosive 7.62x39 is getting a bit low... I'll refill it when its empty. I prefer not to touch the stuff unless absolutely needed.. its filthy and gets my hands really dirty & its very hard to wash off the grime.

Clockwise from top:
Polish 7.62x25mm, 1955, corrosive, case about 1/4 full
Federal 9mm (walmart) with bag of 250 rounds 115 grain FMJ RN reloads. (500 total)
Corrosive 7.62x39mm, Yugo mil surp, really filthy ammo. photo doesn't show it real well, but when you handle it, your hands get covered in some sticky mess that's really hard to clean off. there's two cases that is corroded. I think there a few cracked cases too. my AK eats them fine so I haven't had any issues.
820 rounds .223 Remington, mostly Federal (walmart) some of it silver bear. funny, i don't even have a .223 rifle! (I planned to get one but they ran out of stock when I had the cash saved up. when they were back in stock the price jumped 200 bucks, way outside my budget).
Federal (walmart) .22LR, can mostly full
Federal & Remington (walmart) 20 gauge "target" loads. dunno how much ammo is there. the case capacity is 182 shells.
USSR 1972 147 grain light ball LPS type. just refilled with fresh from spam can. 360 rounds. +10 rounds Bulgarian 1955 yellow tip. the loose rounds you see are homemade dummy rounds. a spent case + new bullet. marked with silver or blue.
(more) Federal (walmart) .22LR. this is the range case, a fully loaded case is insanely heavy so i have this partial case that is way easier to move around.
Non-corrosive 7.62x39. Quite clearly they're mostly Wolf Military Classic with a few Golden Tigers in there. about 300 rounds

My ammo closet & immediate HD gun:

WASR-10/63 GP AK rifle. yes i know there's a high chance the bullets will over penetrate.
got 7x30rd pre-ban California legal magazines (obtained them prior to 1999) and they were made prior to 1994, so they're pre-ban (2000 CA AWB) pre-ban (1994 US AWB) magazines.
12x10rd magazines
13x10rd AR15 magazines, for that .223 rifle i never got.
.500S&W Magnum ammo
20 gauge buck & slugs, various rifle ammos, magazines for my Marlin .22lr rifle.
way old (too stale to smoke) Black & Mild Wine cigar. makes my gun smell nice.
box of ammo for a gun i don't have in a useless weaker-than-.22lr caliber. its a repack, I fix 162 rounds of .25 ACP in there. I don't understand why manufacturers must waste to much packaging & space for 50 rounds. I don't wanna pay for that!
U see the cases of ammo from the previous photo.

ammo from my reloading bench:

its just stacked "wherever" space is a real shortage at my place.

ammo from 20MM case:

alot of stuff in a small case.
repacking it was a nightmare. it's like a game of tetris, except is 3D, not 2D. and I'm terrible at tetris, it too over an HOUR to repack this so everything fits back in!
(reason why i don't take my stuff from storage to show u guys, i'd have to hire a half dozen geniuses to put it back properly)

[twinkles]

I have to ask, what would you guys do, when/if you ran out of ammunition?

[Underdude]

twinkles, on 05 June 2011 - 11:07 AM, said:

I have to ask, what would you guys do, when/if you ran out of ammunition?

Make more of course. Why?

[HarryKantDie]

Government would be a pain in the ass if infection started spreading around the camps, seeing as I'm a 14 year old teen, I'd havre to go with them, other than that, before they got there, I think I'd just grab a blunt object and try to stockpile food from the surrounding houses :P