[the_velociraptor]

Say, that, for some reason, you have no access to any weapons that could be considered "current" (say, anything after the fifties).

It'll mainly focus on firearms, but, whatever.

-For example, could modern ammo still work with some weapons? (I've heard that some present day ammo would damage some weapons)
-Other than the obvious, what shifts in anti-zed tactics would occur from this?
-Yes, opinion varies, but what weapon(s) would you consider the best for anti-zombie tactics?
-And, of course, the obligatory "what's the worse for fighting them off" question.

[hotlead]

The M1 Garand, SKS, AK-47, Thompson SMG, 1911, Browning High Power, 870, and Winnie Mod. 12 all pre-date the fifties and would work pretty well.

But I think the spirit of your question is probably weapons from before 1900, so in that case, I'd pick a Winnie Mod 94 in .32WCF, a Winnie Mod 97 in 12ga, and a S&W in .45lc.

From the Civil War era, a sharps breech loading infantry rifle and an 1858 Remmington revolver in .44 with a few extra cylinders.

From the beginning of the 19th century, a .62cal Britsh Baker rifle with a pair of .62cal smooth bore pistols, .62cal is the same as 20ga in bore diameter and the smoothies can be loaded with shotbags or roundballs.

[CAVU45]

I think you need to revise what you mean by "modern". There were many weapons made pre-1950's that are still much in use today. The AK as has been pointed out. The M1 (garand and carbine). The SKS. This is to name a few. The Mauser K98, SMLE's, and 1903's could be considered "modern" also in that they can use modern propellants and those go back to the early 20th century. Maybe you were looking for weapons made prior to around 1890 like the old "cowboy" guns for example or US Civil War firearms?

[the_velociraptor]

CAVU45 said:

I think you need to revise what you mean by "modern". There were many weapons made pre-1950's that are still much in use today. The AK as has been pointed out. The M1 (garand and carbine). The SKS. This is to name a few. The Mauser K98, SMLE's, and 1903's could be considered "modern" also in that they can use modern propellants and those go back to the early 20th century. Maybe you were looking for weapons made prior to around 1890 like the old "cowboy" guns for example or US Civil War firearms?

No. We're talking about WWII and before stuff. The AK and G3 are excluded.

[mattifikation]

World War II ended before the fifties. :-p

I'd probably take a pair of 1911's and a Winchester Model 12 in the trench gun configuration.

[kiltedninja]

Well, since I've dropped in, my Enfield was made in the sixties, so that counts it out I guess, but I still have the 1911 to work with.

Springfield 1903, Browning Hi-Power, Luger pistols, Schmeisser(MP-40), Thompson M1A1, Mauser 98& 98K, M1 Garand, Mosin Nagant, SturmGewehr, most of the Winchester lever action rifles were designed before the fifties.

[kiltedninja]

the_velociraptor said:

Say, that, for some reason, you have no access to any weapons that could be considered "current" (say, anything after the fifties).

It'll mainly focus on firearms, but, whatever.

-For example, could modern ammo still work with some weapons? (I've heard that some present day ammo would damage some weapons)
-Other than the obvious, what shifts in anti-zed tactics would occur from this?
-Yes, opinion varies, but what weapon(s) would you consider the best for anti-zombie tactics?
-And, of course, the obligatory "what's the worse for fighting them off" question.

In terms of WW1 and WW2 weapons, most modern ammo was created during the latter war, so I don't think that newer munitions would damage the weapons(SMLE and Springfield '03, as well as Mauser 98& 98K would be fine). I think that most anything that fires a 9x19 would be okay with modern ammo, most Lever action and revolvers from the late 1800's would be fine, since most of the ammunition is still made.

Tactics: I think if you were using WW1 rifles and weapons, a static defence like a wall or barricade would help, or extreme range, CQC is always a bad idea with Zack, but once you add the low ammo capacity of WW1 rifles(And most bolt action rifles), there's a little problem. As WW2 rolled around, the M1 showed up, and the Thompson, both are fantastic guns, which could allow you a little closer, but why get that close?

Opinion: In my opinion, I'd take an M1 Garand, Thompson, and the Browning HP or the 1911.

Worst(IMO): Stehngun. Carcano, anything that was used before the Civil War.

[Birdman44]

How about a B.A.R. if you can still find one lying around? From what I've heard it uses the same cartridge as an m1 garand yet has a higher capacity magazine.

[mattifikation]

I held a Thompson at a local gun store once. It was huge. It was heavy. The stock was about 3 inches longer than an ergonomically feasible stock should be.

I've read that they're not very accurate, and bad in the brush as well.

I think the biggest plus they have going for them is ammo capacity and the detachable magazines.

[CAVU45]

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most Lever action and revolvers from the late 1800's would be fine, since most of the ammunition is still made.

Might want to be careful with that ammo. The pressure from powders used in modern ammo is much higher than for those made for guns from the early 20th century and late 19th century. Running modern ammo through an old lever gun or any other type from the 1800's might blow the gun up due to the higher pressure.

[kiltedninja]

Well then, I'm lucky that I'll not be doing that, since I've got my weapons already. Unfortunately, at the moment I'm about a five day walk from my home, and there's no way in hell that I'm walking into the biggest metropolitan area this state has to offer in the middle of a zombie outbreak.

BAR, I can't believe I forgot that one for my list. I've heard good things about that one too. Never heard much about the Thompson though, I held one and it was comfortable, then again I am pretty tall for my age. I'm not sure on the accuracy since I've never fired one myself.

[CAVU45]

Both the Thompsoin SMG and the BAR are wonderful weapons. The BAR takes a big man to operate. It can be difficult to control. The Thompson is a CQB weapon. Made for close in engagements in place of a pistol or as a defensive weapon. That's why it was issued to officers and senior enlisted.

[Bob]

The Thompson was often issued to truck drivers.
My dad carried one in WW2.

[kiltedninja]

I know a few police that carry a Thompson instead of an AR15 or shotgun. The shotguns our police officers use are great, but I'd much rather lob a .45 down range at someone than a 12ga. shell.

[Birdman44]

Yeah i heard some of them carry Thompsons. Must be fun to shoot :lol:

[killnburn]

how about an m1 carbine with a browning hi-power?

15 rounds of .30cal gives you a nice range, light recoil, good capacity, decent firepower, plus its light weight and semi automatic, so its quite handy at close range

browning hi power, 13+1 rounds of 9mm, good accuracy, capacity and reliability,

this is a kit that is still good, even today, compared to some more modern weapons

i would definitely trust my life on it in an outbreak

[detpat]

you can get 30 round mags for the carbine. that makes it an even better proposition for zeds, controllable and has the power of a 357 mag round [approximately] the hp is a great handgun in any case and one of my favorites.

[Hitman]

mattifikation said:

I held a Thompson at a local gun store once. It was huge. It was heavy. The stock was about 3 inches longer than an ergonomically feasible stock should be.

I've read that they're not very accurate, and bad in the brush as well.

I think the biggest plus they have going for them is ammo capacity and the detachable magazines.

I've fired a few tommy guns . most have a very slow rate of fire ,around 600rpm , and the few navy overstamps were slightly faster but not super fast .

tommys are heavy compaired to new guns like MP5's but they tend to be accurate and have up to 100rd drums . the biggest down side is the bad ergonomics for the fire controls . they are built like tanks though as I doubt you would ever wear one out.

for those that don't like the tommy try the grease guns or the swedish K's.