[Faran Brigo]

I think the reason the remake ended very differently was because they made Cooper much more of a cartoon villain, AND Barbara's character was active too. I didn't like what they did with Cooper though, he went from being a normal guy who cracked to being a complete and utter pr*ck from beggining to end.

[Evil Pug]

Bad Zombie Night said:

Glad to see that you've changed your avatar... I couldn't make heads or tails out of the other one. :lol:

:lol:

[Faran Brigo]

It's interesting how infighting sparks even within a messageboard in peacetime. The effects of confinement, the continuous moans of zeds, and a siege mentality will add up to the tension. It's also very telling that (if I remember correctly) in a thread where we were talking about skills, pretty much half the people said they would be great leaders.

How would you either as leader or member prevent a group from falling into bickering and infighting? how should group choices be made? who should be the leader? what should be the extent of his authority? what kind of people are such a liability that your group is better off without them? Just a few questions to get the ball rolling.

[Necrowerx]

I think the basement would've been a death trap. Tom agreed with Ben. Ben only got pushed down there at the last minute because there was no where else to go. Ben had had to bust the door in to get in; that compromised the security of the place, and riled the zombies up.
You always leave yourself an escape route, just in case. No one knew with any absolute certainty if or when help was coming - broadcast notwithstanding. Just because it turned out one way didn't mean that was the only direction fate could've taken, and you should plan for the worst.
However, I agree that Harry was sort of trapped, with a weakened daughter, not much running he could do.

Ben struck me as a very methodical, level-headed, and rational man, he was trying to make the best of a bizarre set of circumstances and no one could have done anything 100% perfect or foreseen the longer term indirect consequences of their actions.
Had the posse not come through there (no one knew for sure they would) they could just as easily died down there in the basement- or worse. In fact, two of them did.
He definitely could've boarded the house up better though.

Ben's wasn't the best plan either. I would've gone upstairs w/ supplies, and bashed the stairs out. If you need to exit, you don't need to jump - you make a rope from bedsheets, scale down quickly (or swing), then make a run for it.
Things only really started to go wrong when Tom and Judy fumbled at the pump. It was a good idea though.

Ben's slap to a hysterical Barbra was typical for the time, remember. That was often portrayed in movies and TV as the way to bring someone out of hysterics. It was cliche. Nothing unique or abusive there, he was just trying to get her to get her wits back about her - that's the first tool you need to battle a zombie invasion.

I generally saw Harry as a coward and arrogant, self-absorbed man, and I believe that's how he was supposed to be portrayed and interpreted.
He knew full well normal people were upstairs (as Ben said rhetorically, "You didn't hear her scream? You didn't try to help?!" and yet Harry only came up to check when things sounded like he might be able to score more supplies for himself. He started arguing first, not Ben, IIRC.
Harry also neglected to immediately inform his wife there was a radio/TV upstairs, only mentioning it as an aside to his wife. He did not seem to consider updating his family w/ critical info a big priority. You can see the wife's attitude of exasperation with him. She too thought it was better to be on the main floor.

When Tom and Judy stupidly got themselves killed (not Ben's fault, he tried to keep Judy from running out there), Ben ran to help, not Harry; Harry then unnecessarily locked out Ben in a cowardly fit, stranding him for zombie chow; when Ben busted in and started nailing the door shut again, Harry froze again in fear and indecision, acting almost as useless as Barbra. He seemed to be having a moral dilemma, or was waiting to see Ben get bitten. I think he finally started helping only because he knew it'd save his own skin to get that door re-nailed. I don't blame Ben for punching his lights out one bit. I hated that guys guts from the moment I first saw him on screen. Even his wife didn't seem to care very much when he got shot, IIRC.

The only thing really dumb that Ben did was not to speak up at the end, IMO, thus getting himself shot. Maybe he just wasn't sure he was totally alone in the house just yet.

And dammit, I hadn't seen NOTLD04 yet, so thanks ZombiesAteMyDog, you just gave away the ending! :-P This was supposed to be about NOTLD68, lol

[Necrowerx]

Gummerfan said:

A Musical Tribute To Harry Cooper:

There's a jerk in the cellar, a really stupid guy
A jerk in the cellar and he really needs to die
I know I oughta kill him, but that is homicide
And then I'd be no better than those things outside
(spoken) But then again, at least I wouldn't eat him.

There's a jerk in the cellar but I've still got the gun
At any sign of trouble he'll just wet his pants and run
The dead are up and walking, it's enough to drive you nuts
But that's no excuse for being such a putz!!

-Night Of The Living Dead: The Musical-

LOL !!!! Awesome. I hate musicals but that might just work.

[homelitexl]

yeah they sure were stupid fire+gas=fried human i would have took a saw and supplies to floor two and cut the stairs 0ut after siphoning the gas outa that chicks car and filling the truck up parked it below a window comes to it just drive away:poo:

[50 cal]

Ditto on taking everything upstairs and destroying the stairs behind you. If something happens you can still escape out a window. You are hopelessly trapped in the basement.

Have the day off today. Will need to watch NoTLD on the 50" now.:)

[homelitexl]

yeah cept id have a hummer outside

[Bob]

You would not want to stay in the attic in the summer time waaaay to hot.

[RIP]

UNDEAD FRED said:

One of the best parts of NOTLD 68 for me is where Harry Cooper and Ben argue about barricading themselves in the basement, or boarding up and defending the farm house. What would you of done? Or done differently?

It's stupid imho to barricade yourself in a basement cause you have no escape. I mean the zombies are slow as grandma from the old Wendy's commercial who use to say "Where's the beef" lol....you could out run those freaks and still have time to take a nap so why would you barricade yourself.:lol:

[UNDEAD FRED]

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