[Darkness]

"It just deals with the prospect of the effect of different light spectrums, on the three different stages of the skin tissue."

[Faran Brigo]

Now that you mention it, coming to think about it, you could probably take a picture. People with deteriorated eye circulation shouldn't have the redeye effect.

[Darkness]

"Interesting point. Thank you." :think:

[mattifikation]

Wouldn't a quick look through an infrared scope show that there is no heat in a zombie's body, nor any functioning organs? That would be the easiest way to seperate the zombies from, say, delirious and terrified survivors.

I suppose you're talking about infected, yet still living people. What about a simple lie detector test? You could use one of those voice stress analyzers and ask if they've been bitten. Once they answer, no matter what they say, you'll know whether they really have been or not.

Clearly, the virus is present in an infected person's mouth. After all, it spreads when they bite you. This means the virus would be on their breath, which contains droplets of their saliva. Using a spectrometer, you might be able to tell them to open up and say "ahhh," and then detect the virus or some trace of it in their breath.

[detpat]

nope, the stress analyzer won't work on a person already scared shitless. On the other hand you might consider one of those ear thermometers. they take only an instant to work and give an accurate reading.

If you have the facility you need to segregate newcomers and have them strip down and examine them carefully.

[Darkness]

korosukami said:

i can get pics... know ppl in medicine that do autopsys... any med student gets access to dead bodies ^^

"But do they have access to the bodies in all three states? Living, Un-Embalmed and Embalmed?"

[Darkness]

"Thanks. I appreciate the help." :)

[DarthJoe8]

Subgenius said:

If we use the Romero zombie model, then you will never know that a person had been infected. Roger, in Dawn of the Dead (1978), may well have simply died from the germs and bacteria in the zombie's mouth when it bit him. There is no evidence of a disease or infection causing the zombies to reanimate in any GAR movie about zombies.

The fact that people who die and come back to life shows that its something in the air so in Romero's world everyone is already infected. We just need to die.

Actually Peter says that he's seen a dozen guys get bit and none of them lasted more than 2-3 days. I don't think it was because the zombie didn't brush its teeth.:lol: (I don't remember exactly what Peter says but something like that)

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In both Dawn of the Dead films, original and remake, we see the high value placed upon life. Matt Frewer's character actually says it: (Frank) "You want... every... single... second." So, most people would not likely shoot a person simply because they showed signs of any illness.

Not sure who Matt is but if thats the girls father with the bite on the hand, he didn't last a day before he died and came back so I don't think you can say that the zombie bites aren't lethal. Every one of Romero's movies shows that zombie bites are a death sentence.:scare:

Personally I've been bitten by animal and person and never even got a rash.:lol:

[Subgenius]

DarthJoe8 said:

The fact that people who die and come back to life shows that its something in the air so in Romero's world everyone is already infected. We just need to die.

Actually Peter says that he's seen a dozen guys get bit and none of them lasted more than 2-3 days. I don't think it was because the zombie didn't brush its teeth.:lol: (I don't remember exactly what Peter says but something like that)

Not sure who Matt is but if thats the girls father with the bite on the hand, he didn't last a day before he died and came back so I don't think you can say that the zombie bites aren't lethal. Every one of Romero's movies shows that zombie bites are a death sentence.:scare:

Personally I've been bitten by animal and person and never even got a rash.:lol:

Good points.

Whatever reanimates the dead in Romero films can be guessed at, but never really known. Romero has never really said either way. And, the films always offered multiple reasons for the causes of zombification. Was it a chemical spill? Radiation from the Venus probe? Act of God (see my signature)? Romero enjoys that ambiguity.

Matt Frewer (Frank in DOTD 2004) was once called Max Headroom, LOL. And yes, he was the father that died from the bite. Humans do have a nasty bite. You likely had a tetanus shot within the ten year period before you had been bitten. I once stepped on a nail, but nothing happened. Rusty nails can be lethal to step on. But, I had all my inoculations. I also had antibiotics in my system from a recent illness. So, I may still have had some in my system.

But, in DOTD 1978 and 2004, the bites themselves may or may not have been the agent that killed. Zombies, for whatever reason, may have germs as severe as a Komodo dragons bite (they eat mostly carrion).

Komodo dragons possess virulent bacteria in their saliva. These virulent bacteria cause septicemia in their victim; If an initial bite does not kill the prey animal and it escapes, it will commonly succumb within a week to the resulting infection.

Zombies might possess a super-virulent bacteria that kills within hours. But, keep Romero's zombies separated from the DOTD 2004 zombies. The reason that I say that has to do with how Roger did NOT die within hours of his bite, and neither did the daughter in the basement in Night of the Living Dead. The fast-kill bite is a construct of the new remake. Andy also died quickly, almost immediately.

[DarthJoe8]

Subgenius said:

Good points.

Whatever reanimates the dead in Romero films can be guessed at, but never really known. Romero has never really said either way. And, the films always offered multiple reasons for the causes of zombification. Was it a chemical spill? Radiation from the Venus probe? Act of God (see my signature)? Romero enjoys that ambiguity.

Matt Frewer (Frank in DOTD 2004) was once called Max Headroom, LOL. And yes, he was the father that died from the bite. Humans do have a nasty bite. You likely had a tetanus shot within the ten year period before you had been bitten. I once stepped on a nail, but nothing happened. Rusty nails can be lethal to step on. But, I had all my inoculations. I also had antibiotics in my system from a recent illness. So, I may still have had some in my system.

But, in DOTD 1978 and 2004, the bites themselves may or may not have been the agent that killed. Zombies, for whatever reason, may have germs as severe as a Komodo dragons bite (they eat mostly carrion).

Komodo dragons possess virulent bacteria in their saliva. These virulent bacteria cause septicemia in their victim; If an initial bite does not kill the prey animal and it escapes, it will commonly succumb within a week to the resulting infection.

Zombies might possess a super-virulent bacteria that kills within hours. But, keep Romero's zombies separated from the DOTD 2004 zombies. The reason that I say that has to do with how Roger did NOT die within hours of his bite, and neither did the daughter in the basement in Night of the Living Dead. The fast-kill bite is a construct of the new remake. Andy also died quickly, almost immediately.

Yeah Komodos are nasty thats for sure. I've heard cat bites can get you really sick. I was more kidding around when i mentioned getting bitten and nothing happening. (I really have been bitten) I was lucky that i didn't get sick and yuppers, I've had a few tetanus shots in my youth.

Andy says it himself. Man they bite hard. They got me good. I figure that they hit an artery and he bled out. Remember the wash board? That thing was covered with blood and when they went to rescue the stupid girl the place was covered with blood.

And tru dat about 04 DOtD one of my biggest problems was the die from a bite come back don't die from a bite you won't come back.:x I hated that.

I like the fact that Romeros bite victims take some time to get sick then die, unless of course they really get you like Steven in 78. I don't think he lived very long after the doors closed on the elevator. It just took some time for the Zeds to hit the button.:think:

[Darkness]

"Ummm....wrong topic guys. We do have a few threads, on that one, in the Zombie Talk Section though. It's just down the list a bit."

"Here's a few options for you..." ;-)
http://www.allthings...ead.php?t=15029
http://www.allthings...ead.php?t=15470
http://www.allthings...ead.php?t=14772
http://www.allthings...ead.php?t=14744
http://www.allthings...ead.php?t=14082
"Just wander through and bump the one you like." :)




"Back to The Topic: The bite itself could possibly be a way of identifying what did the biting, man, beast or zombie." :think:

[DarthJoe8]

Sorry for going a stray a lil.

The bite is a dead give away. Personally as i've said before I think your a goner and its just a matter of time until you die and try to eat me. If possible, i guess i would quarantine a victim to make sure but I would take care of the person in a heartbeat if they turned.:drinking:

:think:I think other identifying properties of a Zed would be the open mouth, groaning, smell like :poo: blank stare, bumping into stuff, trying to eat me etc:lol:

EDIT: I think I'm confused as to what this thread is about. What do you mean by Identifying Zombies?

[Darkness]

DarthJoe8 said:

I think other identifying properties of a Zed would be the open mouth, groaning, smell like :poo: blank stare, bumping into stuff, trying to eat me etc

"You've obviously never been standing outside a big bar at closing time." ;-) :lol:

DarthJoe8 said:

EDIT: I think I'm confused as to what this thread is about. What do you mean by Identifying Zombies?

"Say you have a small or large group of 'survivors' wanting to A) Join your group. B) Come into your compound. C) Join your trek. (etc.) and you want to make sure they are uninfected. What are other ways you could check? (Aside from checking for bites because, for example, they may have just died of natural causes, and are freshly turned. Or are infected, but haven't died/returned yet.) Did that help answer your question?"

[Simply Pimpalicious]

I don't know how much basis it has in real life, but remember the part in
World War Z? What were the folks called that thought they were zombies, quislings, maybe? I'm really drawing a blank here, but the claim was that zombies don't blink. Sounds like a pretty tell-tale sign to me.

[Darkness]

*Pounces Simply Pimpalicious.* :hug:
"Hey there! Welcome to the conversation!" :)

Simply Pimpalicious said:

I don't know how much basis it has in real life, but remember the part in
World War Z? What were the folks called that thought they were zombies, quislings, maybe? I'm really drawing a blank here, but the claim was that zombies don't blink. Sounds like a pretty tell-tale sign to me.

"Interesting point, I'll add that to my list of 'Things To Ponder'. Thanks!" :)

[Simply Pimpalicious]

Thanks for the pouncing. Was it good for you? ;)

Glad I could contribute.

Oh, and congrats on the modship!

[DarthJoe8]

Darkness said:

"You've obviously never been standing outside a big bar at closing time." ;-) :lol:


"Say you have a small or large group of 'survivors' wanting to A) Join your group. B) Come into your compound. C) Join your trek. (etc.) and you want to make sure they are uninfected. What are other ways you could check? (Aside from checking for bites because, for example, they may have just died of natural causes, and are freshly turned. Or are infected, but haven't died/returned yet.) Did that help answer your question?"

This clears it up perfectly, thankyou.:) I would think that a freshly turned Zed would imediatly start to do the zombie thing. :scare:

[Darkness]

"Oh, and another thought. Although a bite is the most common way to get infected, it's not the ONLY way. If you get their blood in a cut, your mouth, etc. it could infect you as well. So there really is a need to be able to detect them in the early stages of zombification." :think: