[Bob]

CityOfChicago said:

If you have some old-timer, fuddy-duddy or something, he/she may be comfortable shooting what they have. .

I have thought about your statement and it shows the ignorance of the young.
If you are not young you are just stupid.
Your statement implies that just because someone is older than you and cautious he is less worthy.
Just because you seem to consider yourself young and hip does that make you better able to transition between weapons?

old-timer = more experienced than you
fuddy-duddy = less inclined to do stupid shat.
comfortable shooting what they have = well fracking duh

How many thing do you have that go bang? (don't lie)
Any sane man in a survival situation is going to prefer a weapon he is familiar with.
That being said if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger other than that get the frack out of my way.

I will take a "old-timer, fuddy-duddy" with a lifetime of experience shooting over a young fool anytime.
Most of the people with large collections and a wealth of experience are older you would do well not to sell them short.

If you are old enough to be what you claim to be you should remember the quote often atrributed to Benjamin Franklin;
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

This post has been edited by Bob: 09 June 2009 - 05:47 AM

[ZedHunter]

I would not look for other survivors. Only people I would go look for is family and girlfriend.

[Xawmb]

I would only search for supplies and a place to fortify/a new hide out if I have to leave my last one.

[CityOfChicago]

Bob said:

I have thought about your statement and it shows the ignorance of the young.
If you are not young you are just stupid.
Your statement implies that just because someone is older than you and cautious he is less worthy.
Just because you seem to consider yourself young and hip does that make you better able to transition between weapons?

old-timer = more experienced than you
fuddy-duddy = less inclined to do stupid shat.
comfortable shooting what they have = well fracking duh

How many thing do you have that go bang? (don't lie)
Any sane man in a survival situation is going to prefer a weapon he is familiar with.
That being said if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger other than that get the frack out of my way.

I will take a "old-timer, fuddy-duddy" with a lifetime of experience shooting over a young fool anytime.
Most of the people with large collections and a wealth of experience are older you would do well not to sell them short.

If you are old enough to be what you claim to be you should remember the quote often atrributed to Benjamin Franklin;
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

Jeezus christ... I don't know what your issue with your own age is, Bob, but you need to deal with it. The term 'old timer fuddy duddy' was a bit tongue-in-cheek and was meant o conjure the image of a well experience person who shoots a well used rifle. And if you would have read or maybe quoted the rest of my post, you would see that the very next sentence says I don't have a problem with that and that they should stick with that weapon. I made no detrimental comments about the value of an older shooter, nor about the quality of older weapons. You read the post and based upon some age bias of your own inferred that.

My other statement in my post commented on shootiing as a skill and stated that once the skill is learned it is transferrable. That's why people can be accureate with mutiple weapons. Though the weapon itself has changed, the skills to align sight picture and control the trigger do not. I also said that 'once they learn the operating of the particular weapon' they'd be able to shoot it just fine. Thats the same thing as 'if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger'.

You, Bob, have some kind of complex with your age. My post said that older shooters may want to stick with the weapon they have more experience with, and thats fine. But if they want to use another weapon, then once they learn how it works and how it shoots they'll shoot that weapon just fine, too. Deal with your own issues on your own time, lest you need to direct Franklin's quote at yourself.

[Xawmb]

Regardless of age, if some one has a good shot I want them on my side.:guns:
I've never fired a "gun", just airsofts and compound bows. I'm pretty good with a compound, but it's by far not the best weapon for zed killin'! So a man or woman that's young or old, black or white, native or asian with a good shot is what I need. :pray:

[Bob]

You my little piggy are the one who started the name calling that prompted all this.

[CityOfChicago]

I said "some old-timer fuddy-duddy". Directed at no one in particular. You, Mr. Sensitivity, took it as a personal affront.

You then directly callled me ignorant or stupid, implied that I was a liar, and made a slur against my profession.

No one here, including myself, has questioned your experience, your capabilities, or made detrimental comments about your abilities because of your age. I myself have commented that there are cops out there who are complete a$$holes, even ones who are criminals. I've stated that I don't support these cops, and I don't represent them. If somebody made the statement "I can't stand these cops who abuse people or their authority" or "If some flat-foot Barney Fife cop..." I wouldn't take offense to it cause I know some cops are like that. But I use a term to describe a certain segment of the older population - older people who are cantankerous and set in their ways - and you take it as a personal insult. Whatsmore I even said that such older people are just fine with me so long as they are capable. But still you are offended.

I know the truth. Most older people have a wealth of experience with firearms, having grown up in a time when their ownership was more prevelant, firearms were used more for sport, or having served in the military. Many of the young today have far more ability with a videogame controller than they do with a hammer, let alone a firearm. My grandfather, who passed 2 years ago, landed with the 29th at Utah Beach. I'd take him over any of the high schoolers on my block. And if he wanted to shoot an M1 or the old 20ga in his closet, that's fine. Like Darkness said, I wouldn't be stupid enough to just give him another weapon. But if I had an extra M4, I'd offer it to him. If he wanted it, great. If he said "Sorry, boy, but this New England 20ga single shot is my pony", then OK.

Try to read and digest my whole post, and put it in context with what has been posted before it - especially if I quote somebody else.

[kiltedninja]

I reckon I'm one of the few high school students who has any real experience with a rifle and pistol, and knows the difference between combat and target shooting.

[Bob]

Hrummm

Well maybe you are more level headed than I first thought.
In your first couple of posts you got all upset and went after XXX calling him names and stuff.
Honestly I was baiting you and evidently not doing a particularly good job of it.
I could probably drag it out and get you to flip out of frustration if nothing else but there is really no point in it.
I just had to know, before I formed my opinion of you.

For what it is worth, you are ok with me.

Just for the record yes I am a world class asshole.

[Xawmb]

I only have good experience with compound bows, not the best of weapons but it's the only thing I can get that I'm good with. I'd want survivors who can shoot. I'd want a temporary hide out until I got a good group with me, one with weapons and is able to keep a good fight up. Then I'd want to scout out a more suitable place to hold out in, one that can be defended and fortified/barricaded well and is near good areas of supplies resources.

[kiltedninja]

Good luck finding such a place.

My friends and I have all basically decided that we'd hole up in one place, until we need to move.

[ZedHunter]

I wouldnt move unless you're staring death in the face.
Dont find suvivors. If you cant live without your family members, find them. Dont find random people. They'll only mooch and bring you down.

[Xawmb]

I wouldn't really worry about family, well I would but I wouldn't go on rescue missions. There's a few places in the area that I live in that could be fortified well and are near supplies.

[bandits1]

ZedHunter said:

I wouldnt move unless you're staring death in the face.
Dont find suvivors. If you cant live without your family members, find them. Dont find random people. They'll only mooch and bring you down.

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

[Dave Of The Dead]

bandits1 said:

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

Well yeah, I'm hoping to come across a demolitions expert and maybe a first class sniper. But definitely it is completely obvious that I will run into a psionic martial arts expert with a background in an evil power hungry corporation.

[kiltedninja]

I wouldn't move until I ran out of supplies.

I'm hoping to run into a former soldier with insanely spiky hair, and who wields a giant sword, while also using magic and summoning legendary beasts. Because we all know someone like that.:lol:

[CityOfChicago]

bandits1 said:

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

I haven't any idea what you're talking about........

[ZedHunter]

bandits1 said:

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

Thats all I'm looking for.

In all seriousness...theres no point in moving unless you have no supplies. If you have enough supplies for a little while and you lay low...noone will know youre there until they try to loot. Then you kill.

[CityOfChicago]

Well, I'm getting out of this city as soon as I can. Honestly, I'd get my family on the move, but I really am a sucker for responsibility so I'd probably go to work. But, no sh1t, if the situation becomes completely untenable, my tail is looking to hook back up with my fam. I'll do my job the best I can, but if its clear the situational is out of hand, I have a responsibility to my wife and son, to take care of them.

As far as starngers, well I wouldnt let people around me just die if I could do something. I'd try to save those I could reasonably save, but I'm not gonna die for some stranger if its no holds barred. Who would protect my fam if I got croaked?

[ZedHunter]

I would. Just because I'm a person who will help others.
I can be a dick, but I'm pretty generous too. I just feel like I need to help people if need be. But, not at my own expense. I'll only help if I get something out of it or they have no intentions on hurting me or people I'm with.