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Darkness said:

"Three things come to mind, Tasers, Tranquillizer Guns and/or a brick to the head." :evil: :lol:

Ermm, have you seen the film? This guy is more dangerous than 100 zombies, he walks around with a suppressed shotgun, all this guy does is kill things. There is a great line from the film, i cannot quote verbatim, but woody harlesons( spelt surname wrong i think ) character says you've seen him, well that's kinda strange cause you should be a dead man.
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I think what my concept of zombie survival boils down to is simply self-preservation. Can I do this alone? No. Do I need a huge crew of people to cover the entire spectrum in some under-the-radar microcosm? No.

I wouldn't really worry much about recruiting. As soon as I caught wind of impending doom, I'd gather up everyone I personally know:family, friends etc... and meet at the safest point I can think of. After that: no one else. Even if a family member shows up an hour late I'm not taking that chance. Further, I would dispatch the latecomer. Cold? Yes. Logical? Yes. I'll get to this point in a moment.

As far as recruiting doctors: no reason to. Once something happens (broken leg, severe flu, pregnancy) that is detrimental to the survival of the group, I would dispatch the malady.

I have a very simple equation I would follow with regards to who is allowed to stay in the group after the initial outbreak: value to the group must be equal to or greater than the amount of goods consumed.

As to why I would dispatch someone instead of simply turning them away: kill them as human and not be forced to deal with them later as part of the zombie legion. The weaklings you turn away for the sake of morals, or integrity, or soft heartedness are the same people that will be shuffling to your location dying to dine on your face.

If this seems a little harsh, just let me leave you with this: if my leg broke, or if I was late, or if I consumed more than I provided I would absolutely have no hard feelings at being killed for the interest of the group.
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MouthBreather said:

I think what my concept of zombie survival boils down to is simply self-preservation. Can I do this alone? No. Do I need a huge crew of people to cover the entire spectrum in some under-the-radar microcosm? No.

I wouldn't really worry much about recruiting. As soon as I caught wind of impending doom, I'd gather up everyone I personally know:family, friends etc... and meet at the safest point I can think of. After that: no one else. Even if a family member shows up an hour late I'm not taking that chance. Further, I would dispatch the latecomer. Cold? Yes. Logical? Yes. I'll get to this point in a moment.

As far as recruiting doctors: no reason to. Once something happens (broken leg, severe flu, pregnancy) that is detrimental to the survival of the group, I would dispatch the malady.

I have a very simple equation I would follow with regards to who is allowed to stay in the group after the initial outbreak: value to the group must be equal to or greater than the amount of goods consumed.

As to why I would dispatch someone instead of simply turning them away: kill them as human and not be forced to deal with them later as part of the zombie legion. The weaklings you turn away for the sake of morals, or integrity, or soft heartedness are the same people that will be shuffling to your location dying to dine on your face.

If this seems a little harsh, just let me leave you with this: if my leg broke, or if I was late, or if I consumed more than I provided I would absolutely have no hard feelings at being killed for the interest of the group.



Although I understand the logic behind your thinking, it just isn't practical, or sane for that matter.

A) If people see you shoot someone for coming down with the common cold, since you believe they wont be able to run because their nose is stuffy, then I don't think a mutiny would be too far in your future.

B) You're going to have the dead walking around, and other dead just dead. Sickness will be everywhere my friend. If you shoot someone for becoming ill, you'll most likely have no one else by the end of the month because with all the stuff in the air from the decaying bodies, I'm sure everyone will get something.

C) I think it'd be a bit harder to actually kill your immediate family members then you may believe. Especially for something like the flu. If they were zombies, thats one thing, but for an illness that will go away within a short time frame its just....stupid.

When the time comes to it, I'm sure you'll have your mind set on what you believe, but what about the people around you? As I said earlier, if you kill someone for something so small, then you won't be in charge long.
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Webber said:

Although I understand the logic behind your thinking, it just isn't practical, or sane for that matter.

A) If people see you shoot someone for coming down with the common cold, since you believe they wont be able to run because their nose is stuffy, then I don't think a mutiny would be too far in your future.

B) You're going to have the dead walking around, and other dead just dead. Sickness will be everywhere my friend. If you shoot someone for becoming ill, you'll most likely have no one else by the end of the month because with all the stuff in the air from the decaying bodies, I'm sure everyone will get something.

C) I think it'd be a bit harder to actually kill your immediate family members then you may believe. Especially for something like the flu. If they were zombies, thats one thing, but for an illness that will go away within a short time frame its just....stupid.

When the time comes to it, I'm sure you'll have your mind set on what you believe, but what about the people around you? As I said earlier, if you kill someone for something so small, then you won't be in charge long.



I think perhaps I didn't stress quite enough the point of the malady needing to affect the group. For instance, I wouldn't instantly shoot someone that coughs. It goes back to the formula. And judging the amount of work brought to the table versus the goods consumed takes time to calculate.

I'm sure when the time came down to it, all of my hypothetical planning would go out the window. It's doubtful that I could, when ultimately pressed, kill my family, or at least most of them.

As for your second point about lasting longer than a month, if the zed outbreak is as bad as I assume it would be, based on the notion of panic and the rapid progession of the virus, I doubt anyone would last more than a few weeks. Plan all we want, in the end it just turns into a sheer numbers game.

Lastly, I never really considered the notion of streets absolutely riddled with contamination. I guess it was one of those things that I overlooked due to movies making the post-zombie world seem barren. But now that I consider that, it sort of makes the whole Z-Day scenario seem that much more hopeless for humans. I still wouldn't attempt to recruit a doctor, but I might consider a slightly more open-door-policy, at least early in the stages of the outbreak.
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Most of all...I want calm and collected people.


No crazies please.
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Occupation has absolutely nothing to do with value. Most of us have read some TWD comics. There's a girl in there that is the groups sniper and best shot. Before the outbreak she was a secretary at a law firm who had never even shot a gun before.

Talents will fall naturally into place among a random group of survivors. When you have a lot of people who know a little bit about a lot of different things it's only natural for everyone to learn and become good at things needed to survive.


Mouthbreather, I can understand your concept of pull your weight. The only thing is, when it all comes down to it I really don't think you will have time to keep record of every little task each group member does. Just to have these people around you to keep morale up would make it worth them being there. I really don't think that it would matter if they "pulled their weight." There really would be no choice but everyone work together to survive.


Also what about babies? or small kids? They are going to be a HUGE disability to the group and won't be able to do much to help, let alone survive themselves. Are you going to kill them? just because they don't know better? I sure hope not because those kids and babies are the only hope left of continuing the human race. Your every priority should be to keep them alive and train them to survive in the world they now live in. Turn every child into a "Spartan" per-say.
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"You make some good points, UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs, and well said, imo."

Behemoth said:

Ermm, have you seen the film? This guy is more dangerous than 100 zombies, he walks around with a suppressed shotgun, all this guy does is kill things. There is a great line from the film, i cannot quote verbatim, but woody harlesons( spelt surname wrong i think ) character says you've seen him, well that's kinda strange cause you should be a dead man.


"People die in those types of situtations because they make stupid mistakes. Like you're suppose to hit him over the head with the brick, WHILE you have him immobilized with the taser. After all, he IS a psychopath, right? Or is he?" :evil:
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id go by myself honestly unless i ran into a fellow ATZ member in trouble. other then that id stay away from any screams and/or groups of zeds. and maybe id let people into my group if they agreed that i or someone with as much or more zombie exp be the leader.

and of course id help children. i aint heartless. even though on multiple happenings ive been called a cold heartless and you all know what the next word is.
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I'd be very picky about letting outsiders into my group in Ellworth. I wouldn't want an problems with my plans and stronghold.
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I sound selfish but I wouldn't let anyone join me. I'd go lone ranger. lol:guns: People would just get in the way and would mean that you have to look after them.

Going lone ranger is better than staying in a group anyway because there wouldn't be anyone else to look after, apart from yourself which is easy enough. you don't need a doctor because there wouldn't be anyone injured and if you are badly injured and you then get infected, there isn't anyone for you to infect either because you're the only one there. Besides, killing zombies is easier when it's just you, provided that you're not sorrounded.
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I'd try to get with as many members of my family and friends.

Ellsworth is a rural town in Central Kansas, pop. 2300 or so and damn near everyone in town has a firearm or 10.

I have alot of gun wielding clansmen in that town as well as friends...

If not that, then I'd find as many Marines as possiable!

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While all of you die searching for a battle field doctors and mechanics, I'll laugh. In the first days of infection most of th doctors and other professional workers will be dead. I'll only stay with my family and friends. If I ever have to leave my hideout and see a girl in trouble I'll save her, but if its a guy he's on his own. I look out for myself first and foremost, but if I can save a helpless damsel I will.
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I would post my family up in a safe house. Then my dad (ex-Ranger) and I would gather a few of my/his buddies who are/were in the Army and are highly trained in first aid and guerilla warfare. Lastly, I would get on here and try to gather a few individuals from here together, mainly Chewy, DentFoster, and Corpse Grinder. =p

I haven't seen any of them post lately, are they still on here? >_>
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I would try to find ppl with any basic experience in anything useful for reinforning a place. I would also look for anyone that can or is willing to use a gun. High prority would have to be a person that know some first aid skills, not much sense if a person is bitten or is infected there be no use. The first aid person will be used to help people with injuries from building or searching for others. But the most important one would a have to be a survilist that can help get food, keep us alive, and know about surving harsh conditions.
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I would say NO! to outsiders. What I want to say is, people that I have NOT made contact with before a ZOMBIE OUTBREAK would be unwelcomed. I would NOT trust them, there is no way to trust an outsiders to be loyal to your group.
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Tripoli said:

I would say NO! to outsiders. What I want to say is, people that I have NOT made contact with before a ZOMBIE OUTBREAK would be unwelcomed. I would NOT trust them, there is no way to trust an outsiders to be loyal to your group.



If any of the zombie movies have any truth to them, then you will be a very lonely survivor. There may not be anyone left but outsiders. At the start of an outbreak, most people will be in denial. Those that survive will seek out friends and loved ones. Many will probably die in their quest. Or be bitten...same results. This leaves outsiders. Although there are a lot of untrustworthly people out there, there are also a lot of future friends to be made. I don't think you should rule out strangers so quickly.
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No offense, but I think the people that say going on your own is easier need to try to actually live by themselves for awhile, and I don't mean get your own apartment, I mean try to survive solely on your own work.

Try it for awhile, seriously. Grow your own food, tend your own wounds, fix your own house, take care of your weapons, repair whatever mechanical/electronic contraption you need. While I don't doubt the most survivalism inclined among us will fend decently, the vast majority of us will not, it's that simple. Not even combat alone is simple, there's a reason why the smallest unit in modern armies is the fireteam, more eyes and guns trained on targets means less chance of surprise or being overwhelmed. This is not the only reason, but it's one that applies to fighting zombies in essentially the same way.

Humans are social animals for a reason, and even before there was rule of law or even division of labor, people banded together in clans or tribes or other forms of groups. If being part of a group was as fundamentally fatal for survival as some people here take it, then I'm guessing we'd have never integrated into societies to start with.
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Faran Brigo said:

No offense, but I think the people that say going on your own is easier need to try to actually live by themselves for awhile, and I don't mean get your own apartment, I mean try to survive solely on your own work.

Try it for awhile, seriously. Grow your own food, tend your own wounds, fix your own house, take care of your weapons, repair whatever mechanical/electronic contraption you need. While I don't doubt the most survivalism inclined among us will fend decently, the vast majority of us will not, it's that simple. Not even combat alone is simple, there's a reason why the smallest unit in modern armies is the fireteam, more eyes and guns trained on targets means less chance of surprise or being overwhelmed. This is not the only reason, but it's one that applies to fighting zombies in essentially the same way.

Humans are social animals for a reason, and even before there was rule of law or even division of labor, people banded together in clans or tribes or other forms of groups. If being part of a group was as fundamentally fatal for survival as some people here take it, then I'm guessing we'd have never integrated into societies to start with.


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tom hanks wasnt insane in castaway...he was just socially challenged :)

but he knew how to survive well and was pure awesome.....

same thing in the book I am Legend....he kinda ended up like tom hanks...same with the movie i am legend...

im sayin the most people i would want with me is 3....so me and 3 other people...becuase thats enough people to drastically improve your work economy...and keep you sane...

2 girls and my best friend josh...that is perfect for us haha...or maybe if i was just agrivated that day i would only have my friend josh..if his parents let him come with me
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