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Tripoli said:


I don’t think these things are a good idea. Too many members don’t have to strength required to wheel these weapons for multiple strikes.


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Dave Of The Dead said:

Speak for yourself


Speaking for myself? I won’t have a problem… most members WILL. If I touched a nerve sorry the comment was too close to home.
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Tripoli said:

Speaking for myself? I won’t have a problem… most members WILL. If I touched a nerve sorry the comment was too close to home.



But dude you just struck out at the community calling people weak. You dont know everyone here so ya shut it and speak for yourself.
Personally these are all to bulky and weighted to use over and over again against zombies.

Who would even get that close to zeds?:loon:
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beyerwrestler said:

But dude you just struck out at the community calling people weak. You dont know everyone here so ya shut it and speak for yourself.
Personally these are all to bulky and weighted to use over and over again against zombies.

Who would even get that close to zeds?:loon:


No, that is NOT what I said. Weak? That is not what I said at all! I know that 99.99998% of the ATZ members to NOT do repetitive manual labor. (Breaking BIG rocks into lil’rocks.) This means if a member of ATZ goes to the batting cages and swings a ball bat for a half hour, they will walk away tired! With the rush of hormones the body will crash sooner and fail quickly. So, too bulky and used over and over again against zombies is a good idea? I think you agree with me and don’t know it yet.
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Tripoli said:

No, that is NOT what I said. Weak? That is not what I said at all! I know that 99.99998% of the ATZ members to NOT do repetitive manual labor. (Breaking BIG rocks into lil’rocks.) This means if a member of ATZ goes to the batting cages and swings a ball bat for a half hour, they will walk away tired! With the rush of hormones the body will crash sooner and fail quickly. So, too bulky and used over and over again against zombies is a good idea? I think you agree with me and don’t know it yet.



The only part I agree on is that it is very tiring and kinda dumb to be carrying that much weight for close quarters combat.

And by my other statement what you said was that practically all of ATZ members are either out of shape or not strong enough to wield these weapons (which only a fool would do) when the time calls for it people can do things others would think impossible. Its just not right to make assumptions like that. You dont know anyone here you dont know their endurance and strength levels. So all Im saying is dont just label a group its wrong.


side note: AWESOME IM A CAPTAIN NOW :rimshot:
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Even professional “Baseball” players that swing bats everyday are fatigued at the batting cages after a half hour. This information comes from a batting coach (McArn of the Sacramento River Cats). Try it yourself! Using your logic, “You dont know anyone here you dont know their endurance and strength levels. So all Im saying is dont just label a group its wrong.” If it goes for me, then it should go for you!

And congratulations, Captain! :clap:
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If you see everyone here as a 90lb nerd, talking about how they will terminate the zombies with their awesome powers as they get dirt kicked in their face at school, you're probably wrong. And thats how you make it sound. Anyway, back to the point. Yeah, I can see your point on baseball players getting tired, and you probably could compare a baseball player to z zed survivor, but you're missing one thing that might shift the light a bit. Baseball players are not swinging that bat to save their lives. They do not have all that adrenaline pumping through them like someone who's in a life or death situation would.
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Adrenaline is a short term effect. You know, “fight or flight” the short time adrenaline is circulating will work, but remember the metabolic crash that follows an adrenaline rush. (Make swinging that bat even harder.) What I am talking about is mechanics of the human body and repetitive “strenuous” activity.

I never said the members of ATZ are 98 lbs. weaklings. I said, “Too many members don’t have to strength required to wheel these weapons for multiple strikes.”

I also said, “No, that is NOT what I said. Weak? That is not what I said at all! I know that 99.99998% of the ATZ members to NOT do repetitive manual labor. (Breaking BIG rocks into lil’rocks.)”

If you and others are so thin skinned and can’t handle the statements, get over it, its your problem not mine.
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I never said that I was quoting you. I only said that you hinted at the fact that we were. Don't get your undies all up in a bunch because of what other people understood from your writing.

So back to the topic, AGAIN:

the only use for any melee weapon, in my eyes, are for fight or flight combat. Just a knock over the head here and there to get out of a stick situation or clear a quick path. I really don't see these weapons as fail proof , stand and fight, tools. Anyone who stands in front of a crowd of zeds with a tire iron or baseball bat are going to be a tasty snack.
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I'd mostly use melee weapons to knock Z's away from me instead of to kill them.
You can run but you'll only die tired.:evil:

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ill ignore the lack of faith for the topic on this thread.

imagine this, a small (90lb.) person who would naturally use a gun most of the time. what weapon should they carry. the light hammer dosnt get far enough into the brain to kill in one blow but if the swing the large hammer the weight crushes through. they would carry the heavier weapon for a reliable kill if a zed should stumble upon them when cleaning there gun or dont have it by. after like 3 weeks they would be used to carrying the weight on there body.

like my dad tells me "let the tool do the work."
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"First I'd like to say, the reason for such threads, as 'Fire and Zombies', 'Blades and Zombies', Clubs, Maces, Etc. and Zombies', etc. is to open the mind to such facts as: 'Sometimes guns run out of ammo at the worse times', 'Some countries don't allow/have guns', 'Sometimes knowing what to grab when nothing else is handy can save your life', and such moments as that."

"We are not saying that these are the best weapons, nor are we saying its the only thing you should use."

"We ARE saying that a good fighter should be able to use ANYTHING handy as a weapon."

"So, though it may not be your first choice in weapons, you never know, at some point it could be your ONLY choice. And we just want to make sure we make the right choice, when such times arise and the choice is limited." :)

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I agree with Darkness! Look at Roger in Dawn of the Dead ('78): he used a screwdriver that he pulled from the zombie's tool pouch to destroy it!
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Roger was one bad dude.
He was kind of losing it though.
I would like to see a sequel of where they went and what they found with the helicopter.
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Bob said:

Roger was one bad dude.
He was kind of losing it though.
I would like to see a sequel of where they went and what they found with the helicopter.


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OOPS!
Asleep at the wheel again...

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Oh Yea
We could probably take a lesson from the Fuedal Japanese Peasants.
Look at all the weapons and techniques they developed from common farming implements.

Looking around my desk I see several things that would make decent improvised weapons. A stainless rod used for straightening cat 5 conductors, a pocket screwdriver a spring loaded spike, my trusty switchblade letter opener, and an empty beer bottle. Can't be wasting good beer on a Zed ya know...
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Man, could you imagine the destructive power of a mace in full swing? That would put "a hurtin'" on a zed...but all that destructive power obviously comes with a price...tiring your butt out rather quickly IMO. Then again, I don't think that it would take too much of your strength to make this weapon deadly. I have held (but never used of course) several different styles and sizes of maces and from what I remember, those bad boys looked like they could EASILY crack your noggin to :poo: without much effort from the person wielding it. I'm not saying that you wouldn't have to put some power into your swing, I'm just saying that I bet you wouldn't have to swing with all you might for it to be effective. Im sure a half force swing from a mace would be way more destructive than the same with a baseball bat. This is just my opinion and I could be way off. :)
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I completely agree with the mace. I test all my weapons against a 2x4 and how many swings it takes to chop, stab, or smash completely through. The mace I made busted through in 2 swings and I consider that a hell of a lot better than a hammer or crow bar, of course without the extra uses of being a tool. The flanged mace is by far more devastating than just an iron ball on a rod.
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I've always been fascinated by weapons, and I like backyard cutting and bashing garbage. I wound up buying a mace that used to be made by Cold Steel. It is a wicked thing. I've used it on a couple of coconuts, a beer keg, and sheet metal. Scary thing, it is.

I also think that people overestimate the weight and awkwardness of old melee weapons. IIRC there was an episode of mailcall where they were working with Euro melee weapons, and the museum expert informed that most foot soldier's weapons were 2-3 pounds, and that anything heavier compromised handling and sapped the strength and endurance of fighters after very few swings.

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I should have bought one of those Cold Steel maces when I had the chance.
The Cold Steel bad axe is kool but I don't know how well it would hold up with repeated use.
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