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Former Member: Phrozin
Posted 16 July 2006 - 09:49 PM
One move that doesn't make ghosts all that convincing is The Uninvited. I believe it's supposed to be based on a true story. All of the ghost encounters seem heavilly exagerated. It looks like they took something simple, like an egg rolling around and made it spin around like a top.
There's also a scene were the mother is ignoring her children screaming when she's on the phone. You can clearly see her put her finger up to the ear she's using when she's not on the phone. Then she's messing with the loud fruit juicer machine. I think she tried saying she didn't hear then because ghosts can cover up sounds or something like that.
There's also a scene were the mother is ignoring her children screaming when she's on the phone. You can clearly see her put her finger up to the ear she's using when she's not on the phone. Then she's messing with the loud fruit juicer machine. I think she tried saying she didn't hear then because ghosts can cover up sounds or something like that.
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Former Member: Zombie-A-GoGo
Posted 16 July 2006 - 10:37 PM
R-Complex knows how I feel about this stuff. :) :?
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Former Member: Dr. Freudstein
Posted 17 July 2006 - 10:09 AM
My first paranormal experience was when I was 7. I'd been ill in bed with an upset stomach (but wasn't delusional or feverish) and I'd put down a book (one of the later Biggles novels, can't remember exactly which one) and glanced over at the window. There was a ball and a stuffed toy (a penguin to be exact) moving up and down in mid-air. It seemed as though, I realized later, a small child was putting first one and then the other up to their face as though choosing which to play with. I moved to the side of the bed and made to get out, but as soon as my foot touched the floor they dropped suddenly, and landed, inanimate, on the floor. I stared at them for what seemed like hours waiting for something else to happen but it didn't.
The next day I came out of the toilet, sat down on my bed and reached across to my bedside cabinet to pick up the book, but it wasn't there. I looked under the cabinet, the bed, the pillows, down the bottom of the bed under the sheets, everywhere. Then I looked at the window, and my book was resting on top of the curtain rail. There was no logical reason as to how it got there. I didn't do it, and certainly my sister and my parents didn't (not in the few minutes I was in the toilet). I had to drag my bedside cabinet round from the other side of the bed, put it against the window ledge and climb up. I held onto the curtain, reached across and plucked the book from it's perch. I still to this day have no idea how it got there.
My childhood had been punctuated by drawers being opened as I left or entered the room, and taps turning on (and off), books tipping from shelves and cisterns flushing of their own accord, but this is the most dramatic episode as a child.
In my late teens, a friend had moved into a new flat and within a week he was in the pub complaining about household objects being moved from where they were left and books and magazines being found strewn on the floor in the morning. So I jokingly said, 'let's try a seance or an ouija board', whereupon a girl we all knew piped up "I have an ouija board, or at least my uncle does". So we agreed to met on the saturday to attempt to communicate with whatever was, as my friend believed, haunting the house.
We sat down that saturday night round the dining room table. There was four of us who agreed to do it, one of the girls stayed in the kitchen because she was too frightened to participate and another guy, Mark, sat in the room but didn't want to join in. So we all placed a hand on the planchette whilst the girl, Lee-Ann, called upon the spirit world. Five, ten minutes passed but nothing. So I said, "perhaps it needs all of us", so we convinced the other girl to sit down, but still couldn't convince Mark. After about five minuted of cajoling he agreed to sit in. The moment he placed his fingers on the planchette, it took off straight to YES, but then the lights flickered and the contents of top shelf of the box case flew off the shelf onto the floor. The girl who'd been nervous let out a scream and I turned from looking at the books, to her and then to Mark. He was sitting there rigid, tears streaming dowm his face, repeating over and over, "it's so sad, she's so alone", before he fainted.
We brought him to, and after he regained his composure we asked him what had happened. he said that he'd seen, in the corner of the room, an old lady sitting in a chair. All he felt was extreme loneliness, desperation and a longing to die. About a week later the guy who was renting the flat spoke to the landlord and he confirmed that the previous owner, an old lady had died in the front room of the house, that she had no relatives and he's picked up the house cheap at public auction. I never found out if that was the last of it as our friend moved to London a short while after (I went to live in his new house when I moved to the city).
As for where I live now, in the morning and in the evening I've distinctly heard the sound of footsteps on a wooden bedroom floor (granted our cottage is a few hundred years old, but these are patterned sounds) and the curtain opening, but on a metal rail and our curtains run on wood rails. The cats reaction was quite distinct, to begin with they'd back away, hissing, run down the stairs, but now they just look in anticipation. The only time I've been in the bedroom when this happened (as opposed to the room underneath) the older cat danced round in a circle like he was rubbing against a leg. Quite bizarre.
I would say that we have to agree to disagree on this matter. Without first hand experience of Magik (as in undertaking a magikal act) you can have no idea of the experience or results that come from it. Magik is not interested in the known, but the manipulation of the unknown (or unseen), hence Occult. There are varying ideas as to how it works, manipulation of luck/fortune, natural forces (electromagnetic fields etc.) or the use of acausal (supernatural) energy. All however can be subjected to the volition of the protagonist. All amount to the same thing, to cause change in conformity with WILL. All I can say is, I have had clear results, many good and some very bad, for others shall we say. The difference between myself and spiritualists, mediums etc. is I don't have anything to sell, and nothing to prove. We're not interested in some occult evangelism, in fact the less idiots that latch onto it (because they've seen a film, bought a metal record etc.) the better. But I have to ask you, do you really think that I and the many neophytes, adepts (although I wouldn't place myself anywhere near this category) etc. would waste our lives if it was nothing but "fantasy"? If, after some 23 years, nothing had taken place then I would have shut my books and blown out the candles long ago.
The next day I came out of the toilet, sat down on my bed and reached across to my bedside cabinet to pick up the book, but it wasn't there. I looked under the cabinet, the bed, the pillows, down the bottom of the bed under the sheets, everywhere. Then I looked at the window, and my book was resting on top of the curtain rail. There was no logical reason as to how it got there. I didn't do it, and certainly my sister and my parents didn't (not in the few minutes I was in the toilet). I had to drag my bedside cabinet round from the other side of the bed, put it against the window ledge and climb up. I held onto the curtain, reached across and plucked the book from it's perch. I still to this day have no idea how it got there.
My childhood had been punctuated by drawers being opened as I left or entered the room, and taps turning on (and off), books tipping from shelves and cisterns flushing of their own accord, but this is the most dramatic episode as a child.
In my late teens, a friend had moved into a new flat and within a week he was in the pub complaining about household objects being moved from where they were left and books and magazines being found strewn on the floor in the morning. So I jokingly said, 'let's try a seance or an ouija board', whereupon a girl we all knew piped up "I have an ouija board, or at least my uncle does". So we agreed to met on the saturday to attempt to communicate with whatever was, as my friend believed, haunting the house.
We sat down that saturday night round the dining room table. There was four of us who agreed to do it, one of the girls stayed in the kitchen because she was too frightened to participate and another guy, Mark, sat in the room but didn't want to join in. So we all placed a hand on the planchette whilst the girl, Lee-Ann, called upon the spirit world. Five, ten minutes passed but nothing. So I said, "perhaps it needs all of us", so we convinced the other girl to sit down, but still couldn't convince Mark. After about five minuted of cajoling he agreed to sit in. The moment he placed his fingers on the planchette, it took off straight to YES, but then the lights flickered and the contents of top shelf of the box case flew off the shelf onto the floor. The girl who'd been nervous let out a scream and I turned from looking at the books, to her and then to Mark. He was sitting there rigid, tears streaming dowm his face, repeating over and over, "it's so sad, she's so alone", before he fainted.
We brought him to, and after he regained his composure we asked him what had happened. he said that he'd seen, in the corner of the room, an old lady sitting in a chair. All he felt was extreme loneliness, desperation and a longing to die. About a week later the guy who was renting the flat spoke to the landlord and he confirmed that the previous owner, an old lady had died in the front room of the house, that she had no relatives and he's picked up the house cheap at public auction. I never found out if that was the last of it as our friend moved to London a short while after (I went to live in his new house when I moved to the city).
As for where I live now, in the morning and in the evening I've distinctly heard the sound of footsteps on a wooden bedroom floor (granted our cottage is a few hundred years old, but these are patterned sounds) and the curtain opening, but on a metal rail and our curtains run on wood rails. The cats reaction was quite distinct, to begin with they'd back away, hissing, run down the stairs, but now they just look in anticipation. The only time I've been in the bedroom when this happened (as opposed to the room underneath) the older cat danced round in a circle like he was rubbing against a leg. Quite bizarre.
R-Complex said:
Don’t forget the rest of Einstein’s quote: “-and yet it is the most precious thing we have.” It is the most precious due to its being the sole successful means of describing and predicting the universe. You may propose magikal energies, supernatural entities, or forces from unknown dimensions but they remain conjectural and rather trivial given the proven track record of scientific naturalism and the scientific method. We’ve intimately described the structure and function of DNA, split atoms with predicted results, sent humans to other celestial bodies based on simple Newtonian physics- we can predict the passages of planets humans will likely never set foot on through computer simulations and mathematical models! These tried and true successes fill me with wonder and amazement; talk of magik and esoteric energies are trivial as they have never shown even a glimmer of being anything but fantasy. Noone has described the world via paranormal abilities that wasn’t already explained by science. I say that if there were forces beyond what science has put on the table let the mediums and mystics offer up some evidence for their claims. Why are traditional religious texts devoid of any description of DNA, where were the medium’s description of the speed of light in gas lit parlors written, or why did no seer predict Homo sapiens origins on the African continent? Instead we have vague platitudes and generalizations with no substantive value from the mystics and tea leaf readers. Granted, unproven does not mean unreal, but the invisible and the nonexistent look much alike. Einstein summed this up rather well: “Truth is what stands the test of experience.”
I would say that we have to agree to disagree on this matter. Without first hand experience of Magik (as in undertaking a magikal act) you can have no idea of the experience or results that come from it. Magik is not interested in the known, but the manipulation of the unknown (or unseen), hence Occult. There are varying ideas as to how it works, manipulation of luck/fortune, natural forces (electromagnetic fields etc.) or the use of acausal (supernatural) energy. All however can be subjected to the volition of the protagonist. All amount to the same thing, to cause change in conformity with WILL. All I can say is, I have had clear results, many good and some very bad, for others shall we say. The difference between myself and spiritualists, mediums etc. is I don't have anything to sell, and nothing to prove. We're not interested in some occult evangelism, in fact the less idiots that latch onto it (because they've seen a film, bought a metal record etc.) the better. But I have to ask you, do you really think that I and the many neophytes, adepts (although I wouldn't place myself anywhere near this category) etc. would waste our lives if it was nothing but "fantasy"? If, after some 23 years, nothing had taken place then I would have shut my books and blown out the candles long ago.
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 04:54 PM
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Dr. Freudstein said:
I would say that we have to agree to disagree on this matter.
Agreed. Like most threads of this nature, I believe we’re at an impasse. But if nothing else can be gained, I can honestly admit that I’ve enjoyed your well written and fascinating posts.
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Without first hand experience of Magik (as in undertaking a magikal act) you can have no idea of the experience or results that come from it. Magik is not interested in the known, but the manipulation of the unknown (or unseen), hence Occult.
And thus the issue becomes removed from any possible discourse. If it’s incumbent on personal anecdotes and experience, it is protected from any scrutiny. I may argue that there’s a species of invisible critters that accompany me at all times, but they are visible only to me and only I can attest to their influencing the external world. I’ve removed them from anyone’s frame of reference; they are intangible, untouchable, inarguable.
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But I have to ask you, do you really think that I and the many neophytes, adepts (although I wouldn't place myself anywhere near this category) etc. would waste our lives if it was nothing but "fantasy"? If, after some 23 years, nothing had taken place then I would have shut my books and blown out the candles long ago.
Well, I think it’s a bit unfair to imply that I argued that anyone has wasted their lives. Whether they’re “fantasies” or not, I do believe there are countless examples of people who’ve pursued passions that were unwarranted or based on a misinterpretation of the evidence. Intelligent, well educated, sincere people have dedicated their lives to all manner of questionable philosophies. Breatharians, Raelians, macrobiotics practitioners, Ayn Rand libertarian devotees (alright, alright… no politics!), etc. I don’t doubt their lives are fulfilling and their personal beliefs are an inspiration and buttress against daily travails. But a belief that inspires and motivates has no connection to whether it’s based on anything of substance. So I don’t think anyone’s life has been wasted here: no more than Mormons have wasted their lives despite my believing Joseph Smith to have been a con artist; no more than self proclaimed “vampires” who gather a sense of worth from their lifestyle; no more than Blondlot wasted his life by pursuing N-Rays (well, I guess he did waste a year or so!); and so on….. But a prolonged devotion to an ideology has no connection to whether it’s true or not. Sincerity and reality are mutually exclusive concepts when it comes to cherished beliefs.
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
Mark Twain
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
"....pending the appearance of rational evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."
H.P. Lovecraft
Mark Twain
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
"....pending the appearance of rational evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."
H.P. Lovecraft
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 04:59 PM
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Zombie-A-GoGo said:
R-Complex knows how I feel about this stuff. :) :?
:scare:
"Faith is believing what you know ain't so."
Mark Twain
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
"....pending the appearance of rational evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."
H.P. Lovecraft
Mark Twain
"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His father, in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
Thomas Jefferson
"....pending the appearance of rational evidence I must be classed, practically and provisionally, as an atheist."
H.P. Lovecraft
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 05:03 PM
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:) "And I, myself, would LOVE to hear more of those fasinating stories." :)
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Former Member: Zombie-A-GoGo
Posted 17 July 2006 - 05:13 PM
Dr. Freudstein said:
...and I'd put down a book (one of the later Biggles novels, can't remember exactly which one) ...
This makes me think of the Monty Python Biggles spoof skit.
Biggles: Algy, are you a poof?
Algy: Well, I should say so, old chap! *Bang!*
:mrgreen:
Sorry.
No one dies better of a gunshot wound than Michael Palin.
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Former Member: Detroit Dogg
Posted 17 July 2006 - 07:24 PM
Zombie-A-GoGo said:
This makes me think of the Monty Python Biggles spoof skit.
Biggles: Algy, are you a poof?
Algy: Well, I should say so, old chap! *Bang!*
:mrgreen:
Sorry.
No one dies better of a gunshot wound than Michael Palin.
Biggles: Algy, are you a poof?
Algy: Well, I should say so, old chap! *Bang!*
:mrgreen:
Sorry.
No one dies better of a gunshot wound than Michael Palin.
:evil: that reminds me of another Monty Python skit......
Im a lumberjack and Im okaaaay, I work all night and I sleep all daaaay.:)
Back on topic now. :)
~Dre
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Former Member: alexxthird
Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:20 PM
When I was a teenager, I saw an honest-to-god ghost while, ahem, parking in an abandoned subdivision (I know, that sounds really lame, but suburbanites don't really have that much in the way of gothic).... Has anyone else experienced the paranormal or the extraterrestrial?
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"Anyone else seen a physicial appearition? Besides something moving? I have once. The same one who was 'playing' with the bully in my house also appeared to me a few nights later, as if to say she felt comfortable. Like she knew I wasn't afraid."
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alexxthird said:
When I was a teenager, I saw an honest-to-god ghost while, ahem, parking in an abandoned subdivision (I know, that sounds really lame, but suburbanites don't really have that much in the way of gothic).... Has anyone else experienced the paranormal or the extraterrestrial?
I merged this thread Alex as they are very simlilar in theme
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Posted 17 July 2006 - 11:34 PM
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#34
Former Member: thezombiebunny
Posted 21 July 2006 - 06:19 PM
I've never been totally comfortable with the term "ghost" because that implies a very strict definition to which I'm sure the things we call ghosts don't always apply. That being said, yes, I believe there are spirits/ghosts/energies/whatever be the term.
My theory is as follows, as of right now: Scientifically speaking, matter is just trapped energy. Everything we're made of and that is made, is energy. I believe from personal and investigative experience this energy can, when released, become trapped somewhere else in a manner of speaking. Ever visited an abandoned mental hospital? The energy there is enormous, almost suffocating. Graveyards, old houses, even not-so-scary things like a street in your neighborhood, they can feel 'heavy'. Storms, as well, on occasion. I think we're all susceptible to feeling it; I believe that's why on Halloween you get more ghost reports than normal, because more people are actually paying attention to it. There's a whole different spectrum of reality, and I think it's completely ignorant and arrogant for humans to think we're the creme de la creme of the universal experience. There has to be an explanation for why a room, or house, or area, will suddenly trigger that heaviness, beyond 'imagination'. Are they repeated videos, as someone stated above, or can they think? No clue. Some sightings would definitely suggest intelligence. But perhaps that falls into a theological realm.
My theory is as follows, as of right now: Scientifically speaking, matter is just trapped energy. Everything we're made of and that is made, is energy. I believe from personal and investigative experience this energy can, when released, become trapped somewhere else in a manner of speaking. Ever visited an abandoned mental hospital? The energy there is enormous, almost suffocating. Graveyards, old houses, even not-so-scary things like a street in your neighborhood, they can feel 'heavy'. Storms, as well, on occasion. I think we're all susceptible to feeling it; I believe that's why on Halloween you get more ghost reports than normal, because more people are actually paying attention to it. There's a whole different spectrum of reality, and I think it's completely ignorant and arrogant for humans to think we're the creme de la creme of the universal experience. There has to be an explanation for why a room, or house, or area, will suddenly trigger that heaviness, beyond 'imagination'. Are they repeated videos, as someone stated above, or can they think? No clue. Some sightings would definitely suggest intelligence. But perhaps that falls into a theological realm.
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thezombiebunny said:
I've never been totally comfortable with the term "ghost" because that implies a very strict definition to which I'm sure the things we call ghosts don't always apply. That being said, yes, I believe there are spirits/ghosts/energies/whatever be the term.
"Which is why I added the term 'Spirit' to the title of this thread. Had it occured to me, at the time, I would have added 'Energies' and 'Enities' as well."
thezombiebunny said:
My theory is as follows, as of right now: Scientifically speaking, matter is just trapped energy. Everything we're made of and that is made, is energy. I believe from personal and investigative experience this energy can, when released, become trapped somewhere else in a manner of speaking. Ever visited an abandoned mental hospital? The energy there is enormous, almost suffocating. Graveyards, old houses, even not-so-scary things like a street in your neighborhood, they can feel 'heavy'. Storms, as well, on occasion. I think we're all susceptible to feeling it; I believe that's why on Halloween you get more ghost reports than normal, because more people are actually paying attention to it. There's a whole different spectrum of reality, and I think it's completely ignorant and arrogant for humans to think we're the creme de la creme of the universal experience. There has to be an explanation for why a room, or house, or area, will suddenly trigger that heaviness, beyond 'imagination'. Are they repeated videos, as someone stated above, or can they think? No clue. Some sightings would definitely suggest intelligence. But perhaps that falls into a theological realm.
"Well put, Zombiebunny. I have indeed visited an old Mental Institution, and there were times I felt like I was walking through a veil, like the air itself had suddenly gotten thicker."
"When I was younger, I was put in the children's section of a huge one. I hardly slept at night, I could hear howling and screaming coming from one of the other buildings. Years later, when I got the courage to go back, I found out that the building I was hearing the noise from was abandoned. Had been for many years before I was ever there. I decided to go see for myself. I will never go back there again. That was the only scary paranormal experience I've ever had. The howling and screams were still going on, as if, like you said, they were still looping. The air was so thick, and cold, you could feel it wrap around you, and it was a hot summer night, with no real wind or breeze to speak of."
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Former Member: thezombiebunny
Posted 21 July 2006 - 07:25 PM
Yes...they are definitely some of the most energetically heavy places on earth. To me, insanity is worse than death. I'd definitely choose dead, with no afterlife included, to being insane. The energy stuck in those places from years of torment and fear, it's just..unreal. Perhaps that is what the other guy said, the "replay" of memories lived, but even with that theory, their torture obviously hangs around.
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"Old Underground Seattle, in Washington State, is quite spooky too. I know of a lot of places in Washington that make your hair stand on end."
"Old Underground Seattle, in Washington State, is quite spooky too. I know of a lot of places in Washington that make your hair stand on end."
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I hope this is relevant, if not I apologize, but...
My father encountered what he believed was the spirit of the Virgin Mary
in our very home when I was 12.
He was very moved by the event and couldn't even bring himself to speak
of the matter until two nights later.
He experienced this in the middle of the night in our main hallway.
He said she appeared to try to communicate but he could not discern Her words.
He stood there frozen until she turned and faded away.
I have never had any kind of paranormal experience.
My father encountered what he believed was the spirit of the Virgin Mary
in our very home when I was 12.
He was very moved by the event and couldn't even bring himself to speak
of the matter until two nights later.
He experienced this in the middle of the night in our main hallway.
He said she appeared to try to communicate but he could not discern Her words.
He stood there frozen until she turned and faded away.
I have never had any kind of paranormal experience.
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Thing said:
I hope this is relevant, if not I apologize, but...
My father encountered what he believed was the spirit of the Virgin Mary
in our very home when I was 12.
He was very moved by the event and couldn't even bring himself to speak
of the matter until two nights later.
He experienced this in the middle of the night in our main hallway.
He said she appeared to try to communicate but he could not discern Her words.
He stood there frozen until she turned and faded away.
I have never had any kind of paranormal experience.
My father encountered what he believed was the spirit of the Virgin Mary
in our very home when I was 12.
He was very moved by the event and couldn't even bring himself to speak
of the matter until two nights later.
He experienced this in the middle of the night in our main hallway.
He said she appeared to try to communicate but he could not discern Her words.
He stood there frozen until she turned and faded away.
I have never had any kind of paranormal experience.
"Wow! I bet it took him by surprise for sure."
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Okay I am not sure if this story fits the bill of a ghost or a sprit but here it goes.
I was out one night drinking with a friend of my by the Navajo reservation. Now for those that may not know, the Navajo tribe the largest indigenous tribe in the USA. They are very rooted in there beliefs. One of which is the belief in Skinwalkers.
Anyway after a few hours of drink and b.s.ing we headed for home which included about a twenty minute drive down a dirt road in the middle of no where. About five minutes into the drive we see a large naked Navajo man standing in the middle of the road. My first thought was that some poor guy had got robbed and dumped out there (not to uncommon), so we pulled up next to him to see if we could help. I as I rolled down my window he looked at me and smiled. I could not begin to describe the look on his face other than sinister. With that he took on running right down the middle of the road. Very soon into his mad sprint the fell to the road landing on all fours and kept on going. We drove up the road to see if we could find him and in the middle of the road stood a coyote. We hauled butt out of there and never went back.
Now that may have been nothing more than a drunk man and a coincidental coyote but I have heard to many stories to think it was anything else but a skinwalker
I was out one night drinking with a friend of my by the Navajo reservation. Now for those that may not know, the Navajo tribe the largest indigenous tribe in the USA. They are very rooted in there beliefs. One of which is the belief in Skinwalkers.
Anyway after a few hours of drink and b.s.ing we headed for home which included about a twenty minute drive down a dirt road in the middle of no where. About five minutes into the drive we see a large naked Navajo man standing in the middle of the road. My first thought was that some poor guy had got robbed and dumped out there (not to uncommon), so we pulled up next to him to see if we could help. I as I rolled down my window he looked at me and smiled. I could not begin to describe the look on his face other than sinister. With that he took on running right down the middle of the road. Very soon into his mad sprint the fell to the road landing on all fours and kept on going. We drove up the road to see if we could find him and in the middle of the road stood a coyote. We hauled butt out of there and never went back.
Now that may have been nothing more than a drunk man and a coincidental coyote but I have heard to many stories to think it was anything else but a skinwalker
The fear of death is the most unjustified of all fears, for there's no risk of accident for someone who's dead."
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