[chicagowhitesox1173]

I'm sure nobody can really answer this but why was there no serious zombie movies made from the original Dawn Of The Dead until I would say 28 Days Later. It never really made sense to me Night Of The Living Dead did well with viewers and DOD was a big hit and both were pretty serious zombie movies, but during the 80's you got alot of crappy over the top zombie movies like the Fulci movie or the Return Of The Living Dead ones. I know people like those movies but they really weren't real zombie like movies like we have now, Zombie movies have really exploded lately but if somebody had a brain they woulda made a good one in say 1986

[OVERKILL]

They did, it was called Day of the Dead. There was also a color remake of Night of the Living Dead. I'd take a dozen Dan o'Bannon Return of the Living Dead over most of the shi, I mean stuff we get now.

They did, it was called Day of the Dead. There was also a color remake of Night of the Living Dead. I'd take a dozen Dan o'Bannon Return of the Living Dead over most of the shi, I mean stuff we get now.

[zombie surfer]

What do you mean, you can't get more serious than Linnea Quigley's horror workout, serious shit that is.

I know what you mean though, the only serious ones apart from Day is probably The Serpent & the Rainbow & Dead & Buried but i think horror in general throughout the 80s was more about having a good time watching people get killed like in the Friday the 13th movies, people were not so bothered about getting scared they just wanted to see people get killed in more & more silly ways, i think that shows with Return of the Living Dead being more successful than Day of the Dead at the time. I for one love both kinds of zombie movie, even though i like the serious ones you cant beat sitting down to watch Return 1&2, Re-Animator, Night of the Creeps or even Zombie Flesh Eaters 2.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Well I suppose Day Of The Dead was a somewhat serious movie along with Night Of The Living Dead remake but I dont think too many people outside of zombie fans really cared for either movie. You would think somebody would have made a decent one during that time period especially after how well Dawn Of The Dead 78 did. It just seems strange that it took Hollywood 25 years to realize how much money can be made if a zombie movie is done right. Not that the 28 Days movies were perfect but those movies at least got this zombie fad going in the right direction. I really do think were gonna start seeing better zombie movies.

Hopefully World War Z will be good but Exit Humanity, The Dead, Rammrock were all pretty good I just wish there were better zombie movies from 1980 until the early 2000's.

Day Of The Dead was ok but the Bubba zombie kinda killed that movie for me and the NOTLD remake was ok too but I didn't care for the ending too much. They were decent fillers though for the time period. Probably the best two during the time frame. The Return Of The Living Dead movies were more comedys than serious. Serpent And The Rainbow really wasn't much of a zombie movie. Although I havent watched Serpent and The Rainbow in a while so I really shouldnt comment about it. I kinda remember it being about voodoo.

[krucial]

Well that's what the 80s were about: Wild, experimental, rebellious and uniqueness....LOL

There was "Night Of The Creeps"

***And I thought "Bubba" was great and not overly played.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

krucial, on 02 July 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

Well that's what the 80s were about: Wild, experimental, rebellious and uniqueness....LOL

There was "Night Of The Creeps"

***And I thought "Bubba" was great and not overly played.

I thought Bubba was interesting but I wanna see zombies who aren't smart but just killers. I'm almost kinda worried The Walking Dead will have trainable zombies because of that lady with the two zombies attached too her. I noticed they didn't have any hands or jaws but I would still think their instincts would be to attack.

I grew up in the 80's and your right alot of the horror movies were pretty over the top but there were a few that were decent. Really cant think of too many off hand except maybe Poltergeist? I really cant say that was great either. I was never a big fan of slasher films and at the moment those are the only ones which come to mind.

Romero has kinda ruined zombies by having the Bubbas or Big Daddy type of zombies, thats why Night and Dawn were so much better. Jeez even Tom Savini's character in Land Of The Dead was pretty hokey. I really do appreciate the new generation directors of zombie films. There not perfect but they are way better than any zombie movie from 1979 to around 2001.

[Action Avenue]

OVERKILL, on 29 June 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

They did, it was called Day of the Dead. There was also a color remake of Night of the Living Dead. I'd take a dozen Dan o'Bannon Return of the Living Dead over most of the shi, I mean stuff we get now.

They did, it was called Day of the Dead. There was also a color remake of Night of the Living Dead. I'd take a dozen Dan o'Bannon Return of the Living Dead over most of the shi, I mean stuff we get now.

Agreed. Return of the Living Dead was a fantastic movie. Granted, it obviously does not appeal to every zombie fan, but it was generally well done.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Return Of The Living Dead was watchable but it was a comedy, The caption in front of the box read "They're rising from the grave and ready to party" I know I have different taste in zombie movies but I don't see how anyone can say that movie was better than the zombie movies of today. If a movie like The Dead came out in 1986 most people on here would call it a classic but since it's so new still it doesn't get the respect it deserves. Once this zombie fad dies out these movies will become classics.

It's pretty sad that during the 80's the best zombie movies were the Fulci ones or ROTLD. If those movies came out today they would never be considered good compared with most out there nowdays.

Day Of The Dead and NOTD remake were decent but again Romero started going downhill with those movies.

Like one of the posters stated the 80's had some crazy rebellious horror films.

These would be the more serious 80 horror movies that I can think of and they all did well so why wouldn't a director wanna make a serious zombie movie.

1. Candyman...I think it was released in the late 80's
2. The Shining
3. The Thing
4. Children Of The Corn
5. Evil Dead I.....more serious than the other two.

[paultagonist]

chicagowhitesox1173, on 28 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I'm sure nobody can really answer this but why was there no serious zombie movies made from the original Dawn Of The Dead until I would say 28 Days Later. It never really made sense to me Night Of The Living Dead did well with viewers and DOD was a big hit and both were pretty serious zombie movies, but during the 80's you got alot of crappy over the top zombie movies like the Fulci movie or the Return Of The Living Dead ones. I know people like those movies but they really weren't real zombie like movies like we have now, Zombie movies have really exploded lately but if somebody had a brain they woulda made a good one in say 1986

chicagowhitesox1173, on 01 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Well I suppose Day Of The Dead was a somewhat serious movie

Oh I KNOW you didn't just say that about Day of the Dead. That's only the best zombie film ever made!
The most bleak, dire and serious of all the Romero Dead movies.
And if you don't stop calling him "Bubba" I think I will explode in a bloodbath fury of disappointment and frustration.
(His name is Bub.)

Ok that's all, continue...

[chicagowhitesox1173]

I don't think it was horrible but it's by far not the best ever made. Bub and the crazy scientist were a little goofy and it had far too many situations where the survivors were eaten for dumb reasons.

It deff coulda been better but I would say it was the best one made during the period I mentioned. Bub, Bubba is it that big of a deal to mistake, although I do recall you or maybe somebody else correcting me on that once.

I just dont understand why there wasn't more Day Of The Dead type movies. I do recall Day OF The Dead doing poorly in the box office and maybe that scared away directors from making serious zombie movies. Day Of The Dead became more of a cult following type of movie and thats why it's popular nowdays. I remember watching it as a kid and I didn't care for it much. Although I do appreciate it more now.

Maybe a reason why nobody made em is because Romero owned the rights to zombie movies? He seems to be kinda jealous of other directors making better ones nowdays. The Walking Dead series is way better than any Romero film. Better plot and better acting.

[zombie surfer]

chicagowhitesox1173, on 02 July 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Day Of The Dead and NOTD remake were decent but again Romero started going downhill with those movies.

It's funny cause you are very much in the minority here, most people consider Night, Dawn & Day to be a perfect trilogy then he started to go down hill after that.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

zombie surfer, on 04 July 2012 - 11:40 AM, said:

chicagowhitesox1173, on 02 July 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Day Of The Dead and NOTD remake were decent but again Romero started going downhill with those movies.

It's funny cause you are very much in the minority here, most people consider Night, Dawn & Day to be a perfect trilogy then he started to go down hill after that.

I think i'm the minority in alot of topics here. Sports, Gun safety and zombie movies.

Well he deff went way more downhill after Day of the Dead but Day of the Dead was kinda the start with Bub. I dont wanna rip on Day of the Dead because it really wasn't that bad. I just dont understand why nobody made a decent serious zombie movie. If you remember Stephen King made The Stand and somebody else made another tv series I think it was called V. It was about aliens but both of em were serious movies which the public loved. (personally I hated em) But if they made those zombie movies they woulda been alot scarier to watch. Maybe they didn't make a zombie movie back then because the networks were afraid of the backlash because i do recall Dawn of the Dead was being banned not only in homes from parents but also from some video stores. (usually mom and pop ones.

I wanna get this straight I don't hate Day of the Dead and I think some might be angry over anything negative they might see about it. I dont wanna make this about Day of the Dead. Anyways I think I answered my own question on why there weren't any serious zombie movies. I dont think the public was ready for em and thats why we only got zombie comedys.

[MrOrange]

paultagonist, on 04 July 2012 - 01:35 AM, said:

chicagowhitesox1173, on 28 June 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

I'm sure nobody can really answer this but why was there no serious zombie movies made from the original Dawn Of The Dead until I would say 28 Days Later. It never really made sense to me Night Of The Living Dead did well with viewers and DOD was a big hit and both were pretty serious zombie movies, but during the 80's you got alot of crappy over the top zombie movies like the Fulci movie or the Return Of The Living Dead ones. I know people like those movies but they really weren't real zombie like movies like we have now, Zombie movies have really exploded lately but if somebody had a brain they woulda made a good one in say 1986

chicagowhitesox1173, on 01 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Well I suppose Day Of The Dead was a somewhat serious movie

Oh I KNOW you didn't just say that about Day of the Dead. That's only the best zombie film ever made!
The most bleak, dire and serious of all the Romero Dead movies.
And if you don't stop calling him "Bubba" I think I will explode in a bloodbath fury of disappointment and frustration.
(His name is Bub.)

Ok that's all, continue...

Yeah agreed, I think it's commonly accepted around here anyways that those are the big three zombie films. BTW, who the hell is bubba? Does he mean Bub?

[chicagowhitesox1173]

Yeah it's gonna be accepted around here as a classic. I realize this but when it came out it really didn't do well with the general public. I remember all the newspapers giving it bad reviews yet Dawn of the Dead and Night of the Living Dead got favorable reviews. Day of the Dead seemed like it was just a big argument throughout the whole movie. I didn't mind the movie and there were some cool parts but it's not nearly as good as his first two. Hence it was the beginning of the Romero downfall.

I read it peaked at 23 on VHS sales in 1986 and that should also tell you how the general public thought of it. Again I wasn't trying to make this into a anti Day of the Dead thread but if you guys really liked the Bub zombie and really thought he made that movie better than i'm deff a minority here.

Bubba--Bub he still sucked no matter what you call him.

[paultagonist]

Well maybe that's where we differ. I don't judge a film's quality based upon VHS sales and how the general public receives it, lol. Day of the Dead is definitely the most intelligent and hardest to digest of all the films. It leaves out the more comic booky elements found in Dawn and isn't a straight-up horror siege film like Night. You focus a lot on Bub, but he was just one aspect of a movie that was really about the larger societal apocalypse and ramifications of different humans with different skills being trapped together, in a future with seemingly nothing to hope for. They all have a different way of approaching the problem of the zombie apocalypse (hence there's arguing, but it's not as if it's arguing just for the sake of arguing. It matters). I can really take or leave Bub. Though without the experiments on him and zombies like him, there would be little for my favorite character, Dr. Logan, to do. :-D Heaven forbid Romero try to do something new with zombies, even though that's exactly what he did with Night.

Nearly everyone I talk to regards Land of the Dead or Diary of the Dead as the "downfall" of the Romero dead films. This is the first I've heard of someone suggesting it be Day. Least favorite of the original trilogy, yes, but "downfall?" No.

[chicagowhitesox1173]

It wasn't the downfall it was the start of the downfall. Your right it may have been the smartest one of the three but the characters were awful and it just turned into a big argument which got a little old after awhile. Did that boyfriend Miguel not annoy anyone? Or how Romero made the soldiers into buffoons and the scienctists into saviors. Too me that made the movie stereotypical and not convincing. Just like a old Western the bad guys lost and the good guys won or in this case the stupid lost and the smart won.

I'm not focusing on Bub and i've repeated several times that I didn't hate the movie. I mean cmon I say Bubba on accident and I get two guys who get their feelings hurt or offended? I think they could have done without Bub and it probably woulda been better but just like ewoks in StarWars everyone loves the lovable creature.

Anyways I wanted to hear why there really weren't more serious zombie movies made during the period. maybe I should say this to get off the Day of the Dead thing.

1. I really enjoyed Bub (not Bubba) he made the movie great
2. Day of the Dead was my favorite Romero film it had such great acting and I loved how trained soldiers got eaten alive while untrained scienctists survived.
3. It was pretty cool watching how dead zombies got smarter. I think thats why it's such a smart movie.

[paultagonist]

lol, I don't think your three points of sarcasm is going to nullify the Day talk, if anything it'll agitate it

[chicagowhitesox1173]

paultagonist, on 04 July 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

lol, I don't think your three points of sarcasm is going to nullify the Day talk, if anything it'll agitate it

Ok do ya at least agree Bub started Romero in the wrong direction. Jeez i'm watching clips of it right now on youtube and it's pretty ridiculous. After watching these clips I find it worse than I remember. What about the scene where Capt. Rhodes tells the girlfriend to sit down and she almost lets herself get shot for not listening to soldiers who had already lost 5 guys because she thinks Frankenstein can make zombies friendly. How the hell are they gonna make 20 million zombies friendly? Maybe Bub can walk around telling the other zombies to be nice.

I seriously doubt anyone can give me a logical reasoning behind that.

There's zombie video games with better plots.

top five annoying characters in the movie
1. Bub....hands down he ruined the movie especially when he shoots and kills Capt Rhodes. Thats just beyond stupid.
2. Miguel.....Yep not too much he did to make it better. Did anyone feel sorry for him when he died?
3. Frankenstein....I like the crazy scienctist's but I like em better when there back in the 1940 movies. He even looked like a 1940's scienctist.
4. Miguels girlfriend......Smart and tough alright but I dont really wanna watch a Signoury Weaver movie either.
5. The fat soldier.....Ok he has a machine gun with 20 zombies surrounding him and he starts shooting at their waists knowing you can only kill them by headshots.

This is the most serious zombie movie of the time?

[paultagonist]

chicagowhitesox1173, on 04 July 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

I mean cmon I say Bubba on accident and I get two guys who get their feelings hurt or offended?

I believe I said "frustration and disappointment;" my feelings, such as they are, are fine

chicagowhitesox1173, on 04 July 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I wanna get this straight I don't hate Day of the Dead and I think some might be angry over anything negative they might see about it. I dont wanna make this about Day of the Dead.

You failed with that last post then :-P

[chicagowhitesox1173]

paultagonist, on 04 July 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

chicagowhitesox1173, on 04 July 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

I mean cmon I say Bubba on accident and I get two guys who get their feelings hurt or offended?

I believe I said "frustration and disappointment;" my feelings, such as they are, are fine

chicagowhitesox1173, on 04 July 2012 - 12:54 PM, said:

I wanna get this straight I don't hate Day of the Dead and I think some might be angry over anything negative they might see about it. I dont wanna make this about Day of the Dead.

You failed with that last post then :-P

Yeah at that point I was frustrated and disappointed. But like you my feeling's are fine.