Zombies, Looters, & Rodents Oh My!

[8mmUltra]

Yes, this is a repeat Thread! I hope the GODs/MODs at ATZ will allow it to continue seeing that US&D Thread is closed and this is NOT a weapons conversation. I believe this subject should be talked about before a Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak.

This being said, we should all be here to talk about the upcoming Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak and how we plan and hope to survive this event. The first threat to human existence is the flesheating ghouls, they will actively hunt us to consume our flesh, and seek world domination (OK, I was a little over the top.). Mankind (gender nonspecific), are not prepared physically, emotionally, or mechanically for such a horrific reality. As always, there are a few of ATZ members out there that label us as gun nuts, survivalists, anarchists, and 5150s (aka Looney Toons or NUT JOBS), I can live with that and will mourn your deaths. The survivors/extremists have take steps to insure the human race will survive the upcoming Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak, repopulate the earth with the living, and rebuild the world.

In many other threads, on ATZ, we were able to openly talk about the secondary threat of an outbreak, the looters, gang bangers, and opportunist. What ever you call them these people will be amoral survivors, they will try to kill you, steal your possessions, and leave you helpless against the undead hordes. We will save this conversation for a later date.

Now, for the biggest threats after the outbreak occurs, Insects, Rodents, Dogs, Cats, and other Predatory animals. These lethal creatures will have a smorgasbord on the decaying bodies of the uninfected, attack your stores of food, and ad an additional threat to your existence. It is my belief that these animals and insects will not feed on the corpses of the infected bodies, they will search out your valuable supplies. (I could get into the whole scientific thing but let’s just say, no they won’t eat infected flesh.) This leaves your food stores, supplies that you could scrounge/scavenge/loot, you, me, and the members of your team as “soup of the day” for these critters to prey upon.

So my question is; how have you prepared for the tertiary threat of animals, insects, and vermin that will run ramped post the Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak or is this even on your RADAR?

[AN OLD SHOE]

well originally i only thought about poisonous snakes/spiders...and bigger things like bears/lions......but they mostly dont seem to bother me much...if i find a dog or cat i will take care of it or if need be eat it(i gotta live)....but i can use the animals as guards and security defenses....most the food will be stored in a special facility...and if its way after the outbreak any food out of my security zone that isnt canned will be useless...except ramen noodles....where i live now has few problems...and where i plan on going when Z day arrives is also...alright...

i would just have to keep an eye out when walking through tall grass....

[8mmUltra]

Alligators, Crocodiles, & Como Dragons, O’MY! I see your point for your location… You guys have a terrible rat population, Dog, Cat, & Rat make a fine meal but in packs they can be very dangerous. Insects will be a problem on Biblical proportions.

[AN OLD SHOE]

of course lol florida is like mosquito land!

well how my plans are for my security "safe zone" i wont have to worry about much...my farming area will be mostly indoors.....and well the dogs and stuff will be great food...but possibly disease ridden....

what are your plans 8mm?

[8mmUltra]

The area that I have been looking at is VERY secure too… I was thinking about rooftop farming. The roofs of the buildings are over 30 feet high and will provide some security to crops from insects. I am not too worried about medium/large animals as they will have a difficult time penetrating the fences and walls that surround my chosen location. It is the smaller critters like moles/mice and other rodents that can penetrate those defenses that I worry about. Yes, I plan on traps and poisons but those have collateral damages that might prove to be costly. A friend of mine had a recent RAT problem, we baited an area and every night for two weeks I did a rat shoot. I killed over three-hundred rats in those two weeks with my 5mm air rifle. There is more for me to say but I should wait and let others chime in.

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah i was gonna do roof farming on my area...but we have hurricane season...so that wouldnt work to well lol

the place im going to (a wearhouse) is about as big as if not bigger then a mall...and it only has 1 entrance! that entrance has storm shutters,a cage around the entrance, and more!!!

the building has a garage,greenhouse,2nd floor....just about everything you could ever need!

yeah rats would be a problem...but they make great food....its spiders and roaches i hate

[retro zombie killer]

No my number one fear so far is the Zombies. I'd take other dangers as it came along at first. I hope to get on a boat so I'd have to worry about Pirates. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Cheap Tattoo of fifteen Men on a Zombie's rotted chest yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. I just had to get that out. I'll be singing that all night as will you all. Good Idea for a thread Topic. Will return when I have more to input that doesn't involve singing.

[8mmUltra]

My #1 fear is “Zombies” also. However they are larger targets and can be held a bay with common tools a knowledge. The critters/insects/animals/etc are the unknown factors in the post outbreak world. They are small and voracious, they carry disease, and reproduce buy the thousands, possibly a greater threat than the ghouls themselves. I have prepared for the rise of the rodents. I was wondering who else might have thought of this and what have they done do prepare??? I would like some additional ideas from ATZ members.

[Corpse Grinder]

What would suck would be that you're doing fine, holed up safe and sound from the zombie attacks when all of the sudden, you and/or your party shows signs of Bubonic Plague.

Rats would be a big problem since not only they are potential plague carriers, but also that they can eat anything. They've been known to eat electrical wires-causing your fort to lose power and/or a fire and if you can't contain that fire and your escape route is cut off, well...

The rats could also eat through your doors or walls, weakening them for any zeds or mauraders to get through.

And who's to say they can't eat a zombie and not get infected? They'll be carrying the zed disease, bite you or your party and now you have an outbreak inside. The worse would be that the rats become infected and they would be harder to destroy than human infecteds.

Then there's the mosquitoes, they could be carrying Malaria and other diseases. They could pass it on from one person to the next, from one outpost to the next.

And just because the Zombie Survival Guide says Mosquitoes can't suck on the blood of zombies doesn't mean that they can't when you are in the process of being infected after being bit. Better break out the Deet and the citronella candles.

Then there's the dangers of you contaminating your fort/safehouse. Some people here say they'll just go in the woods or mountains. But without proper sewage and medicines, you can have a cholera outbreak and wipe out your entire group.

It's easy to think that we can survive anything but when shit hits the fan and you're unprepared and far from your idyllic safe zone, remember that bacteria and cockroaches have survived far longer than us.

[AN OLD SHOE]

those are good points....i havent thought of much about the rodents...except kll them and eat them....if they look safe to eat...

but how plan on having my fortress set up should make my area very safe....its a wearhouse...and i plan on moving all the shelfs to the outer walls or move them outside by the gas pump...there is a gas station nextt to the autozone part of the wearhouse....so all the shelves that could be possible homes will be gone and used for protection on the outer walls....then we just plan on cleaning up after ourselves...and not leaving open food up....we will do in depth sweeps of the building 1-2 times a day...and leave mouse traps etc...


let me look for a over view google image pic of my fort...tell me what you think


i know its in the city...and i am in a really big city...but i think it would be better...i always have my escape plan...


http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=e...&t=h&z=17&om=1

the building on the right is the place where i mainly wanna be..it has more generators,food,a car garage,greenhouse, and a gas station...

the place on the left will be the 2nd place i take over.... what do you guys think?

[8mmUltra]

I don’t want to be critical and you know your area better than I do. So here it goes, aren’t you a little too close to major roads? Kind of sticking out there a little easy to see?

I wonder about you idea to stay in Florida. There are natural hazards that could be very dangerous. I also think the water around your location could be a blessing and a sin. Hell, you know what is best for you and yours.

I won’t push the issue beyond this…

[AN OLD SHOE]

well....its ok i would like crticism on my area...it helps me re work it...

yes there are open roads and the crime rate in my city is number 1 in america...but that place and the neighboring place have few entrances...

its kinda hard to find a quiet road in my city haha....

what im saying is i set that area up....and well if it doesnt work ou there is always head north..... or i could head north and after the main attack head back there....

the hurricanes and stuff could help me out...like wipe all the zeds away

but i can see what ur talking about..its just i know my city like the back of my hand...and i have escape plans if everything doesnt work as planned...but everyone will be trying to leave my city....so why get caught up in th emayhem of leaving and risk getting killed...when i can stay where i know best where only a mad man would think of...and make it amazing....sure i might leave after the great panic and innitial outbreak but im just saying...first i have to survive the great panic!

[Pain]

My god Ultra, you know that everyone will be with me when the shit hits the fan

[8mmUltra]

Well PAIN, I was hoping to open a West Coast extermination business and leave the rest of the WORLD to you.

[Pain]

All in a days work for me