Zombjitsu!

[Bob]

The techniques should all be about keeping the maximum distance from a Zombies primary weapon, their mouth.

Remember in conventional martial arts you can heal.
You do not heal from a zombie bite.

Break his legs not his neck.

A dragger is less dangerous than a shambler except perhaps for the trip hazard.

[Redfields]

I would think the RLH(run like hell) fighting style would be extremely effective in keeping alive that little longer. If you got enough energy to fight a zombie, use that energy to run.

But back onto the point, I would think that Muay-Thai would not be bad against these zombies if you dont mind the risk of getting chomped by engaging in non-weaponed combat. It is because of the kicks and the stance. With the TS's opinion on Judo, I sort of disagree because of the style that you would do take-downs in. It sometimes requires slamming when grappled where the zombie would MOST likely have bitten you.

IMO handed combat with zeds is a NO-NO

But, yes that is my opinion, Muay-Thai Kickboxing

P.S I agree with kiltedninja's view on this. Break its knee and run. Too bad I am not trained in Krav Maga.

[JimiVengeance]

im not experienced in hand to hand combat...so in this situation i push the z away and then run like a little bitch til im able to find a way to blast em haha

[kiltedninja]

Originally Posted by Bob

The techniques should all be about keeping the maximum distance from a Zombies primary weapon, their mouth.

Remember in conventional martial arts you can heal.
You do not heal from a zombie bite.

Break his legs not his neck.

A dragger is less dangerous than a shambler except perhaps for the trip hazard.

Amen to that mate. A dragger is also open to a good stomp on it's skull.

[the_velociraptor]

...As in, instead of bite-resistant whatever, you're caught with clothes that could be easily be bitten through.

What shifts in tactics would occur, besides an extreme amount of caution in CQC and "lol find new clothes"?

[Deadman83]

My one and only plan for defeating a Zombie pack or two would be to run as fast as I could to get distance then if cornered without a weapon,I'd improv with a rock or something I could use for a club and just go town bashing skulls in unless bitten,in that case I would just be more of a danger to any surrounding enemies.

Because if you're bitten it's bye-bye anyway so why avoid the Kamakazi route.

[Deadman83]

I would use the D.F.B. technique (Dirty Fighting Bastard).

[kiltedninja]

DFB is street fighting, and we're not trying to get into scraps with Zack, he's mean and bites people. If I was unarmed, and cornered by enough Zombies that there's a possibility that I'll escape, then I'd just use a push kick, knock them, and get out.
A good push kick is enough to knock even a well balanced person over. If I'm just unarmed, I'm going to leave.

[kiltedninja]

Digging up an old topic yet again, I saw something interesting about a week ago. A friend of mine who was a professional Muay Thai fighter in Thailand from the ages of 14-16 showed me that he can kick through a piece of (roughly)3 inch thick bamboo with his shin.

So, the point I'm getting at is that our bones are as open to being broken by the strikes that we throw as well, unless we've conditioned our bones to such torture as these fighters. Kyokushin Karate is another one that can break insanely hard objects with their strikes.

I'm not saying I'm an expert on all martial arts, but I'd like to do a little analysis of the ones most popular in America.

TKD:
Pros: Certain strikes like the push kick and side kick can knock back enemies, at master levels, extremely dangerous.

Cons: Strikes with top of foot and the balls of feet, not good places to strike with. No training in throws/grappling.

Karate:
Pros: Again, Certain strikes can create distance and damage if used correctly. Mastery of this art ensures that you can break about anything(I broke 4 ceramic tiles at ten years old).

Cons: Strikes are usually centered towards body, low line kicks aren't used, and you fight how you train, so that creates a problem. No training in grappling.

Western Style Boxing: Pros: Teaches good movement, and can create a good sense of range, good against living targets.

Cons: Strikes with the fist to the hard head of a human can cause broken hands and cuts on the knuckles, no training in use of legs, but its fun.

Kung Fu:
Pros:I'm not too sure about this one, since I've done relatively little, (I trained for about a month), but the way strikes are delivered can be both powerful and fast, as well as precise to a point at higher levels.

Cons: Being unfamiliar with it, the only one I can see is that Kung fu styles tend to be quite flashy, and if you're not a master, it can be difficult to strike quick and hard enough to break joints.

Judo:
Pros: Teaches Grappling and joint locks, which can be used to break the joints of Zack. Many Judo schools emphasize you staying on your feet while you toss your enemy about.

Cons: Very little striking, if any. Grappling with Zack seems like a bad idea unless you're really good.

Jujutsu(traditional):
Pros: Teaches movement, grappling, weapons usage, and more often than not, is very similar and more brutal than Judo.

Cons: Same as Judo.

BJJ:
Pros: Teaches grappling and painful joint locks, nuff said.

Cons:Mostly ground fighting, designed for use against enemies who are going to wrestle back, not try to gnaw the closes limb off.

Aikido:
Pros: A very different type of tossing your enemy about than the previous three, in my thirteen months of practice, I very rarely had my head anywhere near my opponents. Teaches weapons, schools often teach Iaido and Kendo as well, I loved training in Aikido.

Cons: Unarmed striking is not taught in aikido.

Kempo:
Pros:Very dirty and brutal fighting, teaches striking, joint control, weapons, movement, and often in a very unconventional and functional way.

Cons: This style was created before firearms were really a worry for people, and as such, doesn't have a defence for them generally.

Krav Maga:
Pros: Oh, this style is just lovely, if by lovely you mean dangerous, brutal and bloody, then it's the most beautiful thing ever. Teaches the most efficient style of unarmed AND armed defence/offence that I've ever seen or partaken of.

Cons: I'll let you know when I find one.

Ninjutsu:
Pros: Ninjutsu's H2H system is kempo, and various weapons, it teaches ukemi(falling), and a god damn million different types of weapons, as well as some empty hand fighting. I have a friend who's a black belt in it.

Cons: Most of the weapons are exotic and rather pointless in a ZPAW situation.

Muay Thai:
Pros: Brutally effective striking if you know where to hit. There's usually some form of physical conditioning involved. Teaches some take downs. Requires strength and flexibility, which are useful elsewhere.

Cons: I dunno about you, but I don't want to be close enough to Zack to knee and elbow him in the face, I'd rather just use a kick to knock it over, and stomp on its head.

Any that I missed, or have some other comments? Go ahead and say so. I've practiced almost all of these more than a little, Kung fu and TKD are the ones I've practiced the least of.

[mattifikation]

Against a dumb, uncoordinated, and shambling zombie with little or no reaction time, I actually think the powerful kicks in Tae Kwon Do could really shine. You can put a lot of distance between yourself and a zombie with a high-powered kick. It all depends on how quickly the zeds can snatch a leg out of the air.

I never had any problem using the ball of my foot as the striking point. That's only with some kicks anyways. Other kicks use different parts of the foot. Also, I learned some throws, joint locks, and grappling in TKD although it wasn't a big focus. I think that just comes down to whether you're in a "self defense" TKD class or a "sporting" TKD class.

I still wouldn't want to try it on the street in a real fight, though.

[kiltedninja]

You probably had a more defence oriented teacher then. The class I was in, which supposedly turns out some of the best black belts in the world, never taught anyone about that. And I kicked the shit out of their 'best black belt' my first sparring match, because in Kempo we were taught to strike differently.

The example with hitting with the ball of the foot, I was referring to the push kick, in which almost every other martial art strikes with the heel.

I said that the kicks of TKD can do damage, but only if used properly, like any other strike or tool.

[Bob]

You know I have posted some incredible wisdom in some of these threads.
They should pay me for posting here.

[kiltedninja]

I pay attention to your wisdom Bob, I usually have similar insight.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

I would just hit them hard. They arent people and they arent doing to try and block or hit/ kick back so why treat them like they would? Just stay far enough away to not get grabbed and knock them over or take their legs out so they cant follow (very fast)

[SWAT Zombie]

i think any martial arts worth a damn would be effective. not all people try to block your attacks. some, like zombies, will just try to tackle you or drag you to the ground. and as far as taking on multiple zombies, check out some of steven seagals old training footage. his black belt tests involved three people trying to tackle you to the floor. any real martial arts should train to defend against that sort of thing. but that's kind of advanced, so i'd start straight away for any who haven't but want to. people also try to bite at times and good grappling techniques should be able to prevent that, after all biting is another form of attack to defend against. imo too many martial arts schools over emphasize sparring, ie competition boxing and kickboxing, instead of good self defense techniques. you need to be able to use your training against someone who boxes, kickboxes, grapples, flails drunkenly or just goes nuts and tries to maul you tooth and claw. as bruce lee said, use whats effective, discard what isn't. he drew from many different fighting styles and used what was effective for him. thats the real challenge with martial arts, finding what works for your body type and personality. and then training your guts out to get good.
as far as pain goes, i don't think too much reliance on causing your attacker pain is very good anyway. people on drugs can take pain and some people just have a high threshold. taking control of them, putting them in a position where they can't attack and finishing them off is what my experience in martial arts has shown me works best. when a zombie reaches for you there are techniques that will allow you to take control of their arms and lock them up in a way that keeps them from biting, clawing or whatever else, then you'll need a good neck break or solid head crushing strike if you're capable(away from the mouth, but then again thats something else i've learned, don't punch to the mouth, teeth can cut). and for multiple zombies, there are techniques that take control of one and maneuver them into the path of the others, causing them to trip over each other.
but to be able to pull off any effective martial arts techniques against any opponent takes hard, realistic training and a tough, strong mind.
and i agree tho on krav maga, from what i've seen, i've found no cons with that. those guys are the shiz-nit!!!