What is it with Fulci films?

[Dawn78]

I really want to like them because I love zombies and I own zombie 1&2, and the Beyond. I'm sorry but despite how hard I try I just can't see anything good about these films at all. They are very porrly made films with no soul and the acting is appauling. The sound fx is awful, the zombies are terrible, the plot and dialogues are weak and one is forced to wonder how one can enjoy this nonsense. Please explain what is good about these films because I don't think anyone else could!


:puke:

[SGT. DEATH]

Apart from Zombie the first in his series I didnt like the rest,it a matter of taste.People like diffrent things.I love zombie flicks with world epidemics.

[jackskellington]

I LOVE the Fulci zombies! There's just something about them that I can't explain. Maybe it's the fact that they're not "Hollywood" zombies. The thick clay and muddy, tattered clothing makes them SO much more realistic than zombies in softball uniforms and gas station attendant overalls. I agree that the acting is horrible, but that's not what I like those movies for.

[Crickler]

I love the Fulci films as well. A large part of the appeal is the extreme amounts of gore so if thats not your cup of tea you probably wont enjoy them that much. Personally I love the dark, forboding atmosphere that Fulci films just ooze out. Also with The Beyond and City of the Living Dead the plot deliberately leads nowhere. The films are more interested in trying to scare you than tell a coherent story.
Zombie Flesheaters(Zombi 2, Zombie) is an absolute classic of the genre. It may be a bit silly, but the fight between the zombie and the shark is awsome. I really like the music from Fulci's zombie films as well. True the acting isn't top notch but its much better than a lot I've seen in zombie flicks. If all else fails watch some of the other Italian efforts from the 80's like Zombie Dead, Zombie Creeping Flesh or Zombi 3 (despite what the box says Fulci only directed about 15 minutes of it, Bruno Mattei was responsible for that :poo: fest) and you should appreciate the Fulci films more.
On a side note I was gonna pick up House of Clocks - has anyone seen this?

[The Blind Dead]

I'm definitely a Fulci fan. I highly recommend films like Lizard in a Woman's Skin and Don't Torture a Duckling. Great films. His zombie films may not be wonderful but Gates of Hell and The Beyond are, in opinion, great films.

[Dawn78]

I love the Fulci films as well. A large part of the appeal is the extreme amounts of gore so if thats not your cup of tea you probably wont enjoy them that much. Personally I love the dark, forboding atmosphere that Fulci films just ooze out. Also with The Beyond and City of the Living Dead the plot deliberately leads nowhere. The films are more interested in trying to scare you than tell a coherent story.
Zombie Flesheaters(Zombi 2, Zombie) is an absolute classic of the genre. It may be a bit silly, but the fight between the zombie and the shark is awsome. I really like the music from Fulci's zombie films as well. True the acting isn't top notch but its much better than a lot I've seen in zombie flicks. If all else fails watch some of the other Italian efforts from the 80's like Zombie Dead, Zombie Creeping Flesh or Zombi 3 (despite what the box says Fulci only directed about 15 minutes of it, Bruno Mattei was responsible for that :poo: fest) and you should appreciate the Fulci films more.
On a side note I was gonna pick up House of Clocks - has anyone seen this?


Nah, I doubt I'll ever enjoy Fulci flicks. You guys sound quite surprised but I can't think of many people who would enjoy them. Thet are complete :poo: :poo: :poo:

[Cybopath]

The first time I saw Zombie (Zombie Flesh Eaters) I wasn't too thrilled. It did make me feel ill thoe. If the first Z flick you see is Dawn 78 then you'll never be amazed. But I have grown to like it.

However I got City of the Living Dead expecting more of the same but in a city. It was one hell of a pile of Sh** I do feel ripped off as there where about 3 zombies in the whole thing. I was excited at the begining where you see the first one rise thinking they where gonna get out and attack a CITY but the whole film is just random gore and a dead preist?

[Pain]

City of the Living Dead was also known as The Gates of Hell, which i think was a far more appropriate title.

As for Fulci movies, you either love 'em or you hate them. I love 'em:)

[Jay Decay]

I've seen some of his films (Beyond and City of the living dead) and they didn't fit my taste. To weird and confusing plots and not very good effects. I'm not sure if City can even be called a zombie flick, the few zombies I saw in it reminded more of ghosts since zombies don't teleport or magically dissapear. I've never seen Zombie flesheater though, maybe that one's better than his other films.

[Zombie Survivor]

I LOVE the Fulci zombies! There's just something about them that I can't explain. Maybe it's the fact that they're not "Hollywood" zombies. The thick clay and muddy, tattered clothing makes them more realistic. I agree that the acting is horrible, but that's not what I like those movies for.

You ripped the words out of my mouth with an amazing amount of blood... That means that I feel the same you do... :)

[Crombie]

I liked the first one (shark eating scene with the spanish conquistadors at the end), but the other one I saw which was basically an army/bioterror one I did not like so much. I think the first one had great promise in turning into a decent multi-part film, but the story must have got lost along the way.

[SGT. DEATH]

The first time I saw Zombie (Zombie Flesh Eaters) I wasn't too thrilled. It did make me feel ill thoe. If the first Z flick you see is Dawn 78 then you'll never be amazed. But I have grown to like it.

However I got City of the Living Dead expecting more of the same but in a city. It was one hell of a pile of Sh** I do feel ripped off as there where about 3 zombies in the whole thing. I was excited at the begining where you see the first one rise thinking they where gonna get out and attack a CITY but the whole film is just random gore and a dead preist?
This is pretty much how I felt about City of the living dead as well, not enought zombies in it.But as a just a run of the mill horror it could be enjoyed.
I got COTLD thinking it was along the lines Zombie and found myself very disappointed.The rest of the Zombie series I found the actors couldnt act and the the zombies were not the same as the first film.

[goesaround]

Awful stuff. HOWEVER the first one had terrific feel. Really good but for mood AND beautiful Italian women. You guys get all hot and bothered over No.9 in Land of the Dead. Check out some real women in zombie. The two women were Gina Lolabrigida hot. Alas it must be spring. But the others are so bad. The other poster is right if those are bad zombie 3 is like fricking 'Space Rangers'

[eardrumbuz]

i think that to enjoy fulci's films one has to do away with expectations of traditional storytelling. my favorite italian horror films play out just like dreams (nightmares), absurd or outrageous things constantly happen without reason or explanation, and when explanation is attempted through dialog, it'll make sense marginally at best.
it's true the acting isn't "top notch" in fulci's films, but do the things people say and do in your dreams always make sense? italians also seem to love dubbing their films without much regard for fitting the voice to the face (if you know what i mean...i'm not talking about the lips matching the words, i mean the voices rarely sound like they belong to the person i'm looking at), and that's something i just have to accept in order to enjoy the films.
i love fulci films. the beyond is my fave.

[Slumlord]

I love Fulci zombie flicks as well. Watched Gates of Hell when I was a kid and it creeped me out but good. I still watch it every now and then and I never tire of it. Seven Doors of Death was confusing but I enjoyed that as well along with Zombie. The final battle in Zombie was too good. And all Fulci zombies have similar qualities, uber slow, breathing heavily, and shambling with eyes closed and head down.

Zombi3... no, I don't care if Fulci's name is plastered all over the credits. That wasn't him in the least.

[Jay Decay]

Zombi3... no, I don't care if Fulci's name is plastered all over the credits. That wasn't him in the least.
Is that the one also known as Burial Ground?

[Zombie Survivor]

Is that the one also known as Burial Ground?

No, that's a seperate film under the name of Zombie 3, I know it because I own it...

[Arson Zombie]

I love his films as well. I guess, different strokes for different folks? I saw Zombie when I was a wee lad and have been hooked ever since.

[Captain Colostomy]

flesh eaters owned, but the sequals were pretty atrocious, i think flesh eaters 2 was made by like 3 different directors or something.

[Morbidfilm]

Lucio Fulci's movies are excellent with style and atmosphere. When I 1st started seeing them as a teenager I loved the gore, but couldn't get into the stories aside from Zombie. I think his movies improve over time.
over ten years later I watched City of the Living Dead again and I thought the movie was brilliant! Pure horror.
Who knows, maybe as we get older, you start to appreciate different things about Fulci's movies.

[XposedGuts]

I really want to like them because I love zombies and I own zombie 1&2, and the Beyond. I'm sorry but despite how hard I try I just can't see anything good about these films at all. They are very porrly made films with no soul and the acting is appauling. The sound fx is awful, the zombies are terrible, the plot and dialogues are weak and one is forced to wonder how one can enjoy this nonsense. Please explain what is good about these films because I don't think anyone else could!


:puke:

zombies are terrible? Flucis zombies are the best ive seen. I love his movies, they have a feeling to them that no other director can create, and his zombies and gore are among the best. Hes my fav. zombie director...perfered over romero.

[Cybopath]

Zombie has a great score thoe.

[Dawn78]

I just can't understand how much everyone likes them here. I mean "The Beyond!" what a load of crap!!!!!!!!! Can someone please tell me how this film is good?!

[Crombie]

It's just different tastes. Is it that hard to believe that other people like different things than you do? Or are you just looking to argue the issue, and antagonize everyone else? I liked the first one I saw - Zombi, but Zombi 3 I did not like so much.

The only reason being that the story line seemed a bit disjointed. From my understanding based on discussion here that film was not actually completed by Fulci, but taken over by another director because he was ill.

I mean if you consider it it's the same difference between people who liked western films vs spaghetti westerns. It's the same way that some people say that films like "Shallow Ground" are the scariest film they have seen in a long time, and then I watch it and it's a 2 out of 10 on the scare-o-meter for me.

[Dawn78]

It's just different tastes. Is it that hard to believe that other people like different things than you do? Or are you just looking to argue the issue, and antagonize everyone else? I liked the first one I saw - Zombi, but Zombi 3 I did not like so much.

The only reason being that the story line seemed a bit disjointed. From my understanding based on discussion here that film was not actually completed by Fulci, but taken over by another director because he was ill.

I mean if you consider it it's the same difference between people who liked western films vs spaghetti westerns. It's the same way that some people say that films like "Shallow Ground" are the scariest film they have seen in a long time, and then I watch it and it's a 2 out of 10 on the scare-o-meter for me.


Fulci films are crap!

:lol:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Fulci films are crap!

:lol:
Are you just throwing the term CRAP!!!!!! out there because thats The way you honestly feel about Fulci films? I noticed that you have a few of his movies. Or is this an experiment for a term paper gauging the reaction of the term CRAP!!!! on movie fans? If thats the case I high five you (applaude) thats a A+ on your experiment. Or are you the arsonist type? start a fire, and stand in the crowd to watch your work. I got Fulci zombie movies on dvd, There not bad, there allmost like a spaghetti western. Put Clint Eastwood in them, they would be great. Or you just like the term CRAP!!!!! This is why this site needs a pit fight section. Throw you in there to do battle. "2 men enter, 1 man leaves.":evil:

[Pain]

And i would leave victorious each time:evil:

I don't agree with Dawn78's statement but he is entitled to it.

[UNDEAD FRED]

And i would leave victorious each time:evil:

I don't agree with Dawn78's statement but he is entitled to it.
I get the feeling that certain terms are put out at certain points are planned. just to ellicite a response that one is looking for. Yes, people should just ignore it. but I just thought I would point it out.

[Pain]

I totally agree with you Fred. If you are going to criticize a movie or filmaker then you should really expand a little on your comments:clap:

[The Blind Dead]

It's called maturity.

Italian horror was all about set-pieces and dream logic. Their films were disjointed and sometimes absolutely confusing because it wasn't about coherence, it was about this specific beautiful scene telling a small part of a story. It was all about visuals.

[UNDEAD FRED]

It's called maturity.

Italian horror was all about set-pieces and dream logic. Their films were disjointed and sometimes absolutely confusing because it wasn't about coherence, it was about this specific beautiful scene telling a small part of a story. It was all about visuals.
How would you compare them to Italian westerns. The man with no name that Clint Eastwood made great. The visuals of quick flashes of violence like in Highs plains drifter? Surreal dream like impending violence. I dont know if he work on any of those type movies, or had inspiration from spaghetti western in making his zombie series?

[Dawn78]

At the end of the day, I'm just a typical example of a human being. People don't tend to embrace movies just because they happen to contain a walking corpse.

[Crickler]

At the end of the day, I'm just a typical example of a human being. People don't tend to embrace movies just because they happen to contain a walking corpse.

A 'typical' (I use the term lightly) human might not like his films, hence the reason these aren't mainstream movies, they are cult films. You asked why people liked Fulci films and you've got 2 pages of posts (for the most part positive) explaining why, and all we get as a rebuttal is 'you only like them cos they've got zombies in'. I've got to ask but since you have seem to have no intention of listening to the answers, why ask the question?

[Dawn78]

No I have listened to the answers, and I respect peoples opinions thats fine. What seems to be silly though, is the various people on this site who seem to get upset when someone slags of fulci films. Questioning the appeal to these movies is perfectly rational, they are poorly made films and any logical being can surely understand why many people would struggle to appreciate them. So what, are you telling me they will go down in history like Romero's or something? I suppose next you'll be telling me fulci movies are gonna receive academy awards?

[Crombie]

No I have listened to the answers, and I respect peoples opinions thats fine. What seems to be silly though, is the various people on this site who seem to get upset when someone slags of fulci films. Questioning the appeal to these movies is perfectly rational, they are poorly made films and any logical being can surely understand why many people would struggle to appreciate them. So what, are you telling me they will go down in history like Romero's or something? I suppose next you'll be telling me fulci movies are gonna receive academy awards?
Sorry, but I see no one in this thread who got upset at all. You are welcome to your opinion, but you seem to want to find people here to agree with yours. Fact is that most people do not, and so you seem to be posting now just to antagonize. I mean.. are you wanting people to freak out, but just not getting that reaction? :roll:

[Dawn78]

Sorry, but I see no one in this thread who got upset at all. You are welcome to your opinion, but you seem to want to find people here to agree with yours. Fact is that most people do not, and so you seem to be posting now just to antagonize. I mean.. are you wanting people to freak out, but just not getting that reaction? :roll:


Not at all. Maybe I have just been misunderstood. I suppose its best we end this silly debate as I have no desire to argue over something so silly. I'm just saying Fulci films are poor and its easy to see why.

[The Blind Dead]

How would you compare them to Italian westerns. The man with no name that Clint Eastwood made great. The visuals of quick flashes of violence like in Highs plains drifter? Surreal dream like impending violence. I dont know if he work on any of those type movies, or had inspiration from spaghetti western in making his zombie series?
Italian horror is very much like the Spaghetti westerns in that style and set-piece were always favored over narrative. The Italian directors felt a scene depicting ultra violence and a beautiful arc of blood spraying over the backdrop of a desert was far more important than character development of clarifying a story.

Donato Totoro, a PhD Lecturer at Concordia University (and Fango writer) wrote in Horror Cinema Across The Globe: The Italian Zombie Film - From Derivation to Reinvention, "...when mainstream critics complain about the "weak" narratives in Italian horror films, they are missing the point. In most cases, narrative is merely a pretext for spectacle. The Italian zombie film set-piece serves the same function as the showdown in a Sergio Leone spaghetti western, the dance number in a musical, the car chase in an action film or the fight sequence in a martial arts movie: entertainment as pure spectacle."

BTW, Fulci did direct a few spaghetti westerns himself. One of the best is Four of the Apocalypse.

[The Blind Dead]

So what, are you telling me they will go down in history like Romero's or something?

Well, you're talking about them 25 years after they were made so I'd say there's some staying power, wouldn't you?

Will Fulci and his films go down in history "like Romero's"? Absolutely. Names like Mario Bava, Lamberto Bava, Sergio Martino, Serbio Corbucci, Sergio Leone, Dario Argento, Michele Soavi and Lucio Fulci will be talked and discusses and argued for another 25...and 25 after that and 25 more after that.

[evil-h]

No I have listened to the answers, and I respect peoples opinions thats fine. What seems to be silly though, is the various people on this site who seem to get upset when someone slags of fulci films. Questioning the appeal to these movies is perfectly rational, they are poorly made films and any logical being can surely understand why many people would struggle to appreciate them. So what, are you telling me they will go down in history like Romero's or something? I suppose next you'll be telling me fulci movies are gonna receive academy awards?

You respect their opinions yet You then state "they are poorly made films and any logical being can surely understand why many people would struggle to appreciate them."

Mmm...respect my ass...

It seems to me all You do here is bitch and moan about how every zombie flick You don't like is (using Your favorite word here) "crap"...And if someone doesn't agree with You, then how could they possibly be a "logical being", right?...

Considering You're supposedly a "writer" (according to Your public profile atleast :roll: ), You'd think You'd understand the warrants of an individuals opinion and that which everyone continues to try to dremel into Your thick skull ("different tastes", in this particular instance)...

[Dawn78]

You respect their opinions yet You then state "they are poorly made films and any logical being can surely understand why many people would struggle to appreciate them."

Mmm...respect my ass...

It seems to me all You do here is bitch and moan about how every zombie flick You don't like is (using Your favorite word here) "crap"...And if someone doesn't agree with You, then how could they possibly be a "logical being", right?...

Considering You're supposedly a "writer" (according to Your public profile atleast :roll: ), You'd think You'd understand the warrants of an individuals opinion and that which everyone continues to try to dremel into Your thick skull ("different tastes", in this particular instance)...

:lol:

So is Fulci your dad or something? Boyfriend perhaps? Why do you feel the need to resort to insults because I am saying negative things about Fulci. Also, do you really believe that someones statements about Fulci films is an indication to their intelligence? I was being realistic my friend, I have simply pointed that it takes a certain kind of person to appreciate a Fulci zomblie flick now stop being so immature.

Ok lets take a simple scenario, you have a giant cinema screen that everyone around the world can watch. Zombie is playing and the world begins to watch the film. How mahy people do you think would watch it from start to finish? What percentage of the world would appreciate these films? Not very many let me tell you! Some films are just obviously poorly made, but indeed the occasional person may find something to cheer about it just like some people here cheer for Fulci films.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I think if the term "CRAP" was not used, there could a lot less negativity in this thread.

[Crickler]

Ok lets take a simple scenario, you have a giant cinema screen that everyone around the world can watch. Zombie is playing and the world begins to watch the film. How mahy people do you think would watch it from start to finish? What percentage of the world would appreciate these films? Not very many let me tell you! Some films are just obviously poorly made, but indeed the occasional person may find something to cheer about it just like some people here cheer for Fulci films.

How do you know? Have you asked everyone? On this point, name one film that most of the world would sit down and watch, Titanic maybe? One of the most succesful films in history (and co-incidentally one of the most hated). Also in case you haven't noticed there is a bit of a zombie resurgence going on, so these old classics are being sought out by a new generation of fan, I think you'll find Zombie has a much wider appeal than you give it credit for.

So what, are you telling me they will go down in history like Romero's or something?
I think you'll find that Zombie Flesh Eaters (Zombie) already has a proud spot in UK cinema history

now stop being so immature.
So is Fulci your dad or something? Boyfriend perhaps?

Yes, sterling maturity shown there

We're not trying to change your minds about these films, but give us something to work with. All you've said (repeatedly) is that they are poorly made - how so? What didn't you like? The directing? The cinematography? The SFX? Also 1 word on the quality - budget. You simply can't expect films made for sod-all cash to produce miracles, the make up in Zombie was all clay and dirt because they had no money for appliances. All i'm saying is that if your going to start a discussion about a group of films you should at least be willing to discuss them, not just shout "I didn't like them so they must be crap" over and over again.

[Dawn78]

The acting is absolutely appauling in Fulci films. The dialogue in zombie is very weak and the the film is just stupid. The victims dont start screaming until about 5 seconds after they have been bitten, and people just wait around as if they want the zombies to catch them. Zombie is a pathetic film, and it's epitomized by the zombie attacking the shark! How rediculous! As for the Beyond...............................I'm sorry but what a disgraceful piece of filming.

[Crombie]

Ok lets take a simple scenario, you have a giant cinema screen that everyone around the world can watch. Zombie is playing and the world begins to watch the film. How mahy people do you think would watch it from start to finish? What percentage of the world would appreciate these films? Not very many let me tell you! Some films are just obviously poorly made, but indeed the occasional person may find something to cheer about it just like some people here cheer for Fulci films.
Anyways this is my last response because you just seem to be trolling this thread anyways. That above quote can go for ANY zombie film even Romero's. I mean just within my personal circle of people I know - which is around 200 (the number of invitations to my wedding) - everyone of them thinks my fascination with Romero is funny. The just feel they are cheesy 'B' movies.

So for you I will use the same line I use with them when they get into it at the family reunions. I like them, and they amuse me so why does that bother you so much?

[Dawn78]

I have just looked through this thred and I have come to the following conclusion. I am not going to partake in this debate anymore. Sadly, it has gottten to the stage where people feel the need to insult me over a zombie film. This was not my aim, and I'm afraid this topic has finished for me.

[The Blind Dead]

A shame you can't use anything more mature than "crap" but it's what it is. Everybody is certainly entitled to their opinion.

[Pain]

Fulci rocks:rock::)

[Morbidfilm]

:lol:

So is Fulci your dad or something? Boyfriend perhaps? Why do you feel the need to resort to insults because I am saying negative things about Fulci. Also, do you really believe that someones statements about Fulci films is an indication to their intelligence? I was being realistic my friend, I have simply pointed that it takes a certain kind of person to appreciate a Fulci zomblie flick now stop being so immature.

Ok lets take a simple scenario, you have a giant cinema screen that everyone around the world can watch. Zombie is playing and the world begins to watch the film. How mahy people do you think would watch it from start to finish? What percentage of the world would appreciate these films? Not very many let me tell you! Some films are just obviously poorly made, but indeed the occasional person may find something to cheer about it just like some people here cheer for Fulci films.
I feel like I just flashed back to junior high school. This pretty much sums up why I find your posts as pointless as you find Fulci films.

[eardrumbuz]

i find the insistant criticism that they're "poorly made" irritating (to say the least), especially when accompanied by statements about how that "fact" should be obvious to anyone who watches his films. after all, this thread didn't receive 50 replies of "fulci does NOT suck" from everyone who replied. for the most part, each reply honestly and clearly addressed the question that was posed..."What is it with Fulci films?", many replies containing detailed explanations of what we fans find interesting, intriguing, or entertaining about them (and other Italian films).
I can almost equate Dawn78's response to someone saying:

Sushi is poorly prepared seafood. This should be obvious to most people because the pieces of fish are smaller than what I get at a typical seafood restaurant, and they're not even cooked! I think most people would agree that sushi is bad seafood because the chef doesn't even put the fish in the oven and everytime I see a piece of sushi it's sitting on rice. Sheesh, haven't these sushi chefs ever heard of potatos or bread?

[evil-h]

:clap:

Bravo, damn good analogy...

[Zombie Survivor]

The victims dont start screaming until about 5 seconds after they have been bitten, and people just wait around as if they want the zombies to catch them.

Well, it's a fact that when you're in "survival mode" your body will react slower to pain so that you can escape. How would you react when corpses walk around? Don't tell me that you're going to unleash your allmighty rage upon them, because it's a lot different when you see it in real life. But then again, the acting is not "A-class" but still enjoyable. :)

[TheSleeper]

I agree with Dawn 78 I don't really like Fulci zombie movies. I like Zombie and that is about it. Sometimes I lose my cool like he did when I disucuss with people Fulci vs Romero. To me it seems so odd that someone could like The Beyond, or City of the Living Dead over anything Romero. I think to myself there is hardly 30 seconds of zombie footage even in these films and of that 30 seconds I'd be hard pressed to decide whether they are even zombies or not like in City of the Living Dead. Yet, people continue to praise this movie as one of the greatest "zombie" films. I can understand if people like them as horror films but really why do people have to be so forward about comparing to Dawn or Night or whatever. It's like your asking for a fight. Dawn of the Dead is a classic and a great movie and almost every scene has zombies in it. Then I hear this stuff about City of the Living Dead being a better zombie movie or that they like it more as a zombie movie and it pisses me off. I can respect your opinion but I also think you should be able to respect that certain people have come to expect certain things from zombie movies... like you know... zombies. You don't see me parading House of a 1000 corpses around as a zombie movie. Ug I don't know why I don't like these movies and it tares me up inside.. Why god... why do you hurt me so.

[The Blind Dead]

I agree with Dawn 78 I don't really like Fulci zombie movies. I like Zombie and that is about it. Sometimes I lose my cool like he did when I disucuss with people Fulci vs Romero. To me it seems so odd that someone could like The Beyond, or City of the Living Dead over anything Romero. I think to myself there is hardly 30 seconds of zombie footage even in these films and of that 30 seconds I'd be hard pressed to decide whether they are even zombies or not like in City of the Living Dead. Yet, people continue to praise this movie as one of the greatest "zombie" films. I can understand if people like them as horror films but really why do people have to be so forward about comparing to Dawn or Night or whatever. It's like your asking for a fight. Dawn of the Dead is a classic and a great movie and almost every scene has zombies in it. Then I hear this stuff about City of the Living Dead being a better zombie movie or that they like it more as a zombie movie and it pisses me off. I can respect your opinion but I also think you should be able to respect that certain people have come to expect certain things from zombie movies... like you know... zombies. You don't see me parading House of a 1000 corpses around as a zombie movie. Ug I don't know why I don't like these movies and it tares me up inside.. Why god... why do you hurt me so.
It's not that serious, is it? :roll:

[eardrumbuz]

i've never heard anyone claim City Of The Living Dead to be a better movie, zombie or not, than Dawn Of The Dead. What I usually hear from most fans of the movie is that they do like it as a horror movie and feel that the original title, Gates Of Hell, is much more appropriate...and I agree with that. I think COTLD is a very poor choice of title, obviously done just to cash in on the zombie movie appeal...but I think i also read that somewhere in this thread :)

[The Blind Dead]

i've never heard anyone claim City Of The Living Dead to be a better movie, zombie or not, than Dawn Of The Dead. What I usually hear from most fans of the movie is that they do like it as a horror movie and feel that the original title, Gates Of Hell, is much more appropriate...and I agree with that. I think COTLD is a very poor choice of title, obviously done just to cash in on the zombie movie appeal...but I think i also read that somewhere in this thread :)
Correct. Now, honestly, I do enjoy Fulci more than Romero but that's not really what this thread is about so I'll stick to just Fulci.

In my opinion, those that have harsh things to say about Fulci and his work just haven't seen enough of his work to make the kind of judgements they're making. Simply seeing Zombi, Gates of Hell and The Beyond doesn't really give you the a really good idea of the kind of work Fulci did. That would be like judging Romero based on Bruiser, Two Evil Eyes & Monkey Shines.

[Jay Decay]

A shame you can't use anything more mature than "crap" but it's what it is. Everybody is certainly entitled to their opinion.

You're no better yourself: I thought ROTLD 2 was crap.

[The Blind Dead]

You're no better yourself:
:roll: I don't recall ever saying I was. Does it make you feel better to know I'm not?

I run a horror review website and express myself maturely every week lol. I simply chose not to in that particular instance. Did it hurt your sensibilities? Did somebody so blatantly disregarding their own criticisms challenge your forum belief system? Did your world come crashing down? Does it make you feel more secure to point out hypocrisy in others? :mrgreen:

BTW, this thread is about Fulci and as you can see in this particular thread I've explained my regard for Fulci quite well. It's a shame you chose to avoid those posts.

[TheSleeper]

Well, I am speaking about zombie movies here. If Fulci has made other zombie movies you enjoyed please name them. I would love to see them--always trying to expand my horizons. I don't mind people saying that they enjoy Fulci more then Romero even his zombie movies--even though I strongely disagree. What I don't like is when people try to throw things like Gates of Hell in there, basically anything Fulci, and claim it a better zombie movie then Dawn (Yes I have had this happen) or insert any Romero zombie movie here. It's like they want to be different just for the sake of being different.

[Jay Decay]

:roll: I don't recall ever saying I was. Does it make you feel better to know I'm not?

I run a horror review website and express myself maturely every week lol. I simply chose not to in that particular instance. Did it hurt your sensibilities? Did somebody so blatantly disregarding their own criticisms challenge your forum belief system? Did your world come crashing down? Does it make you feel more secure to point out hypocrisy in others? :mrgreen:

BTW, this thread is about Fulci and as you can see in this particular thread I've explained my regard for Fulci quite well. It's a shame you chose to avoid those posts.

You shouldn't complain on people's comments because they use the term "crap" when you use it yourself. I don't mind if you call them crap as long as you try to describe what's wrong with them instead of calling it crap without giving any reason why.

[The Blind Dead]

You shouldn't complain on people's comments because they use the term "crap" when you use it yourself. I don't mind if you call them crap as long as you try to describe what's wrong with them instead of calling it crap without giving any reason why.
I've explained on many many occasions on this forum why I didn't like ROTLD2. Perhaps you can dig around for my various discussions? Or is the quick "na na" far easier? :roll:

Stick to Fulci.

[The Blind Dead]

Well, I am speaking about zombie movies here. If Fulci has made other zombie movies you enjoyed please name them. I would love to see them--always trying to expand my horizons. I don't mind people saying that they enjoy Fulci more then Romero even his zombie movies--even though I strongely disagree. What I don't like is when people try to throw things like Gates of Hell in there, basically anything Fulci, and claim it a better zombie movie then Dawn (Yes I have had this happen) or insert any Romero zombie movie here. It's like they want to be different just for the sake of being different.
I have no idea what you're talking about but it sounds like you're dealing with your own case of Romero fanboy rage.:) I personally prefer Italian horror during its heyday over U.S. horror and Fulci's films, imo, had far more atmosphere. The music, the gore, the zombie FX, the beautiful bright red blood, the dream logic and the Italian horror set-pieces are all part of why so many love Fulci.

Does it upset you that people are of the opinion that Gates of Hell is better than a Romero zombie film? Well, prepare to be pissed because I chose GOH over DOTD any day.That's just me.

[Pain]

Also Dawn 78 was an Italian financed move:) Good old Dario!

US zombie flicks = Action orientated

Fulci's flicks = Atmosphere and visual orientated

(In general)

[The Blind Dead]

Also Dawn 78 was an Italian financed move:) Good old Dario!

US zombie flicks = Action orientated

Fulci's flicks = Atmosphere and visual orientated

(In general)
I was going to bring that up but I figured people would pull the old "SO!". If it weren't for directors like Argento & Fulci, there'd be no Dawn of the Dead. Italian horror made that film possible.

[eardrumbuz]

I was going to bring that up but I figured people would pull the old "SO!". If it weren't for directors like Argento & Fulci, there'd be no Dawn of the Dead. Italian horror made that film possible.

yeah. a lot of people don't realise that. without all the interest from europe, it's certainly doubtful that Romero would've returned to the genre after NOTLD.

as far as what Sleeper is saying, i guess there are people who will argue for Fulci just to be oppositional. again, i've never heard anyone claim Gates Of Hell to be a better zombie film. i've definitely heard people say they prefer it to DOTD, as TBD did in his post above.

if this thread is to be focused on Fulci's zombie films only, then i'd really only include Zombi 2 and The Beyond. though The Beyond is a mixed bag, the zombies feature pretty prominently once they arrive. zombies are really only central to the one film, Zombi 2. granted it is in the classic & not so classic zombie category, but the thread topic is "What is it with Fulci films?" not "What is it with Fulci's zombie films?".

an excellent source for understanding how the filmmakers felt about their work can be found on the Zombi 2 25th Anniversary dvd, disc 2 interviews and featurettes. fascinating stuff.

[TheSleeper]

A condensed version of the following post:

"Does it upset you that people are of the opinion that Gates of Hell is better than a Romero zombie film? Well, prepare to be pissed because I chose GOH over DOTD any day.That's just me."

Yes, it upsets me when people are of the opinion that Gates of Hell is a better zombie movie. While a part of me may die everytime someone says they like Gates of Hell over Dawn I can accept it as that is their right and people have different tastes. That kind of statement doesn't upset me as long as it is in the right context. See by default when you are saying you like Gates of Hell over Dawn you are basicly claiming that GOH is a zombie movie which is BS. Therefore, people better give some damn good reasons for saying GOH is better then Dawn and why they chose that comparison in the first place or my blood boils. I don't know it is complicated and I probably shouldn't take this stuff so seriously.. sorry.

End Condensed Version


That is my point exactly. Why is it so hard for people to understand and accept that some people think that some of Fulci's movies that are commonly labled "Zombie" movies, like the aformentioned Gates of Hell, just aren't zombie movies. I don't care, but at the same time respect and honor your opinion, that you like Gates of Hell over Dawn of the Dead and find Fulci/Italian horror superior--whatever floats your boat. I admit that the topic title is about Fulci films but still this is a zombie forum. I was simply stating that many people seem to always compare Fulci's movies to the likes of Dawn and that concept is ridiculous to me. Statments like "I chose GOH over DOTD any day" piss me off(which I am sure is why you said it). Why should you or I have to choose.. and from a pool of non zombie movies no less? Is it your Fulci fanboy rage?

"I was going to bring that up but I figured people would pull the old "SO!"

Yes, because it is pointless. I can bring up Night of the Living Dead and how it basically spawned the genre and then you can bring up something else and it's all pointless. Dawn is Romero's baby no matter who paid for it.



*** Warning the below is speaking in terms of zombie movies. The following is not about filmaking in general or who is better in that regard.

I will state this one more time. Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, and Day of the Dead (Romero) are and is simply superior to Fulci and his films by default simply because most Fulci movies aren't zombie movies. If you want to take like the 1 zombie movie that Fulci has made which has like 1 minute of actual zombies in it and claim that it is greater then all that Romero has crafted--then whatever.. I simply give up.

[eardrumbuz]

"Does it upset you that people are of the opinion that Gates of Hell is better than a Romero zombie film?"

Yes, it upsets me when people are of the opinion that Gates of Hell is a better zombie movie.

but notice what you're saying... "a better zombie movie"

maybe somebody, somewhere said that to you, but no one here has made that claim as of yet. the only thing some people are saying around here is that they enjoy the fulci movie more, regardless of the movie's theme, central villian, or what have you...

I will state this one more time. Night of the Living Dead, Dawn of the Dead, and Day of the Dead (Romero) are and is simply superior to Fulci and his films by default simply because most Fulci movies aren't zombie movies. If you want to take like the 1 zombie movie that Fulci has made which has like 1 minute of actual zombies in it and claim that it is greater then all that Romero has crafted--then whatever.. I simply give up.

i don't understand this statement. don't get me wrong. i love Romero's movies. i'm also not even saying i like Fulci's better, but what kind of statement is "simply superior to Fulci and his films by default" supposed to mean?? just because someone doesn't make a zombie movie or makes a movie that isn't a zombie movie means that their film is worse than one of Romero's??? that makes no sense. Romero made Martin. is that movie worse than say, Queen of the Damned, because Martin's not really a vampire and most of Romero's films aren't vampire movies? wait, how about this one...Creepshow is worse than the Superman movies because Romero doesn't really make comic book based movies and there isn't even a real superhero in Creepshow.

sorry, i do understand the point you're trying to make, but i just don't get your logic or the reasons you've given to help make it.

p.s. did you see Zombi 2? i think there's way more than 1 minute of zombies in it. or did you just see and judge the film from the shark scene, as some other people seem to have done?

[TheSleeper]

but notice what you're saying... "a better zombie movie"

Yes, that is my main point.

maybe somebody, somewhere said that to you, but no one here has made that claim as of yet. the only thing some people are saying around here is that they enjoy the fulci movie more, regardless of the movie's theme, central villian, or what have you...

Ok, I wasn't saying anyone here was. I was adding to this Fulci debate my views on what seems to be a natural instinct in humanity to compare Fulci's movies to Romero's Zombie movies as well as expressing my dislike for this tendency.



i don't understand this statement. don't get me wrong. i love Romero's movies. i'm also not even saying i like Fulci's better, but what kind of statement is "simply superior to Fulci and his films by default" supposed to mean?? just because someone doesn't make a zombie movie or makes a movie that isn't a zombie movie means that their film is worse than one of Romero's??? that makes no sense. Romero made Martin. is that movie worse than say, Queen of the Damned, because Martin's not really a vampire and most of Romero's films aren't vampire movies? wait, how about this one...Creepshow is worse than the Superman movies because Romero doesn't really make comic book based movies and there isn't even a real superhero in Creepshow.

Um, that basically translates to me stating that my opinion is that Romero's Dead series is greater then Fulci's single zombie movie. Therefore, Romero's zombie repertoire is greater then Fulci's. I said it in a way that tries not to take anything away from Fulci as a filmmaker but at the same time seriously criticizes his reputation as a great zombie filmmaker. Does that make sense?


p.s. did you see Zombi 2? i think there's way more than 1 minute of zombies in it. or did you just see and judge the film from the shark scene, as some other people seem to have done?

I own it and I like it and it is my favorite Fulci film but I haven't seen many. However, as I finished this movie I was left with, like all of Fulci's supposed zombie movies, a longing for more zombies. While Zombie didn't instill in me that feeling as strongelly as his other films I was still unimpressed and, considering the title, ultimately unsatisfied. It seemed to me there is the zombie shark scene, then 70 minutes of literally eye-gouging filler, followed by the excellent ending scenes and that is that. Am I wrong? I will watch it again tonight or tomorrow and see how I feel this time.

[toe_tag]

I want to make love to Fulci. And his zombies. They're brilliant. So bad that it's good. I can't describe how I feel when I watch his films - a mixture of arousal, amazement and humour. I just love them!!!
So gorey. Mmm. Gore.

[Cybopath]

Wow lol.

I just Got Zombie Flesh Eaters 2 (AKA Zombi 3) yesterday. I know I know bout time but I wasn't paying £5 or over for a DvD that the cover makers looked like they didn't even like. But I picked it up for 99p.

This movie definatly falls into the catagory of it's so bad it's good. Cheesy acting, Gory effects, Bad Dubbing, Inconsistant zombies.

That head scene is classic! And I loved that zombie with the machetti.

Only thing I hate is the pretend sequal name, It has nothing to do with "Zombie". It can't these zombies are caused by a Bio-Weapon Virus the ones in the other fulci film where voodoo or something. The shoulda named it after the Virus "Death One".

5.5/10 from me.

[The Blind Dead]

Statments like "I chose GOH over DOTD any day" piss me off(which I am sure is why you said it).

I made that statement that I chose GOH over DOTD (actually referring to Day of the Dead) because I do, not because it pisses a forum member off. Not only would it be childish to do so but it would be childish to assume so. I don't believe I've ever stated that GOH was BETTER than Romero's Dead series.

Fact is, I don't know why Romero got involved at all. Nobody was comparing Romero to Fulci at all until you brought it up.

[Pain]

I want to make love to Fulci. And his zombies. They're brilliant. So bad that it's good. I can't describe how I feel when I watch his films - a mixture of arousal, amazement and humour. I just love them!!!
So gorey. Mmm. Gore.

If there is any justice in the world the above quote would be the last few words on the subject.

Alas, I fear this will not be the case:lol:

[eardrumbuz]

I was adding to this Fulci debate my views on what seems to be a natural instinct in humanity to compare Fulci's movies to Romero's Zombie movies as well as expressing my dislike for this tendency.

Um, that basically translates to me stating that my opinion is that Romero's Dead series is greater then Fulci's single zombie movie. Therefore, Romero's zombie repertoire is greater then Fulci's. I said it in a way that tries not to take anything away from Fulci as a filmmaker but at the same time seriously criticizes his reputation as a great zombie filmmaker. Does that make sense?

I own it and I like it and it is my favorite Fulci film but I haven't seen many. However, as I finished this movie I was left with, like all of Fulci's supposed zombie movies, a longing for more zombies. While Zombie didn't instill in me that feeling as strongelly as his other films I was still unimpressed and, considering the title, ultimately unsatisfied. It seemed to me there is the zombie shark scene, then 70 minutes of literally eye-gouging filler, followed by the excellent ending scenes and that is that. Am I wrong? I will watch it again tonight or tomorrow and see how I feel this time.

adding something external to the debate is fine. as i said before, i've just never experienced what you're talking about. actually, the only people i've heard make the claim that Zombi 2 is better than Dawn Of The Dead are some of the Zombi 2 filmmakers! ...which is pretty entertaining to listen to :) so, referring to it as "a natural instinct in humanity" is one thing that makes no sense to me. and saying one is better than another "by default" doesn't really make a case for why you like one over the other. it kinda makes it sound like the guy who made 3 movies (or 4) is better than the guy who made 1 (or 1.5). i'm sure quantity isn't all you want or appreciate from Romero.

as for Zombi 2, there's certainly not a constant zombie presence. there is the opening scene on the boat, the shark scene, the feasting scene/house scene, the conquistadors, the lone lumbering zombie, and the climax. sure teh dubbing is horrible, but that's just a given with nearly all italian movies. most of the fans here have explained what's appealing in his movies, and it's just a given that not everyone is gonna go for a movie that's big on atmosphere and short on straightforward storytelling and dialog.

"to each..."

[eardrumbuz]

If there is any justice in the world the above quote would be the last few words on the subject.

Alas, I fear this will not be the case:lol:

they may not be the last words of this thread, but they sure as hell may be the last words running through my mind as i fall asleep tonight :-P

[Nemesis]

I liked Zombie and House by the Cemetery. That Dr. Freudstein...*shivers*

[TheSleeper]

Fact is, I don't know why Romero got involved at all. Nobody was comparing Romero to Fulci at all until you brought it up.

"Hes my fav. zombie director...perfered over romero."

Not trying to single anyone out.. really last thing I want to do. I can understand why Romero would be the first thing to come up in any comparison of zombies or zombie filmmaking. Furthermore, if you somehow enjoy his zombies or what you believe to be one of his zombie films over one or all of Romero's zombie films then *cringe* fine--but see next paragraph. What I don't understand is what makes Fulci at all worthy of a 1 to 1 comparison of zombie filmmaking. Horror filmmaking? Fine. But zombies? No way. Then again I don't think anyone is worthy.

Only reason I bring it up is because this Fulci trend is becoming even more prominent. Things such as "Zombie Best Of" lists stuffed to the brink with random Fulci stuff (ahead of actual zombie classics like Dawn of the Dead) are becomming extremely common. I think his zombie filmmaker image has unjustifiably permeated into his other films and it bothers me. Yes it is unfortuanate that there aren't more great zombie films out there but that doesn't make blurring the lines between zombie films and horror films the correct approach.

[The Blind Dead]

"Hes my fav. zombie director...perfered over romero."

Are you quoting anybody specific here? :roll:



Only reason I bring it up is because this Fulci trend is becoming even more prominent. Things such as "Zombie Best Of" lists stuffed to the brink with random Fulci stuff (ahead of actual zombie classics like Dawn of the Dead) are becomming extremely common. I think his zombie filmmaker image has unjustifiably permeated into his other films and it bothers me. Yes it is unfortuanate that there aren't more great zombie films out there but that doesn't make blurring the lines between zombie films and horror films the correct approach.
So, bottomline is that everybody is free to have their opinions on Fulci as long as they don't refer to him as a "zombie film" director. If so, you'll continue to bitch? :lol:


...that doesn't make blurring the lines between zombie films and horror films the correct approach.
Perhaps I'm wrong here, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't "zombie" films and horror films the same thing? When did zombie films and horror films become two different things?

[eardrumbuz]

Are you quoting anybody specific here? :roll:

So, bottomline is that everybody is free to have their opinions on Fulci as long as they don't refer to him as a "zombie film" director. If so, you'll continue to bitch? :lol:

Perhaps I'm wrong here, somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't "zombie" films and horror films the same thing? When did zombie films and horror films become two different things?

he is actually quoting a post from a few pages back. okay, so one person here said they like him better as a zombie film director. i still don't see a majority appearing anywhere i've been. i agree with Sleeper that a specifically zombie film top 10 list shouldn't include House by the Cemetery or City of the Living Dead, but Zombi 2 has every right to be in there. As for The Beyond, i don't consider it a zombie film, per se, but it sure does feature some serious zombie action. i could see including it in a zombie movie list.
as for horror vs. zombie film, i think it's something like zombie is to square as horror is to quadrilateral. so maybe Gates of Hell is a rectangle, The Beyond is a rhombus and House by the Cemetery is a trapezoid :)

[TheSleeper]

For me Zombie movies are a subgenre of horror. Of course zombie movies are horror movies but not every horror movie is a zombie movie. That's how I see it anyway.

[Arson Zombie]

Thanks Buz...Now I have a headache!!! Damn geometry!!!!:x

[eardrumbuz]

Thanks Buz...Now I have a headache!!! Damn geometry!!!!:x

:lol: hehe...well, sleeper just posted the literal translation for ya!

[Dawn78]

I agree with Dawn 78 I don't really like Fulci zombie movies. I like Zombie and that is about it. Sometimes I lose my cool like he did when I disucuss with people Fulci vs Romero. To me it seems so odd that someone could like The Beyond, or City of the Living Dead over anything Romero. I think to myself there is hardly 30 seconds of zombie footage even in these films and of that 30 seconds I'd be hard pressed to decide whether they are even zombies or not like in City of the Living Dead. Yet, people continue to praise this movie as one of the greatest "zombie" films. I can understand if people like them as horror films but really why do people have to be so forward about comparing to Dawn or Night or whatever. It's like your asking for a fight. Dawn of the Dead is a classic and a great movie and almost every scene has zombies in it. Then I hear this stuff about City of the Living Dead being a better zombie movie or that they like it more as a zombie movie and it pisses me off. I can respect your opinion but I also think you should be able to respect that certain people have come to expect certain things from zombie movies... like you know... zombies. You don't see me parading House of a 1000 corpses around as a zombie movie. Ug I don't know why I don't like these movies and it tares me up inside.. Why god... why do you hurt me so.

My friend, thanks for backing me up on this. As I have already said on this site, I feel confident that it's only places such as this web site where one will find quite a few people who like Fulci films. Everyone on here thinks I am trying to tell them what to like, but I am not. I am simply saying that Fulci films are junk, very poorly made in practically every aspect. I mean....City of the living dead! What a disgraceful piece of cinematography. Zombie is about as good as it gets with Fulci, and despite the odd few who may like it it's still a pile of junk. Indeed, people here accept anything as long as it has a walking corpse in it. Sleeper, if a packed movie theatre was greeted with "Zombie" how many people do you think would suffer it until the end?.....7? 4? I would bet my bottom dollar the cinema would almost be empty within 45 minutes. I just struggle to understand how people can appreciate films like this, even Dead Alive is considered a great film on here it's just crazy! It most definately takes a certain kind of person to enjoy Fulci, but almost anyone would probably enjoy Night, Dawn, Day, Night90, Dawn04, 28 days, ROTLD, and the Res Evil films. Therse are practically the only good zombie films ever made, the rest are pile of crap.

[Crombie]

My friend, thanks for backing me up on this. As I have already said on this site, I feel confident that it's only places such as this web site where one will find quite a few people who like Fulci films. Everyone on here thinks I am trying to tell them what to like, but I am not. I am simply saying that Fulci films are junk, very poorly made in practically every aspect. I mean....City of the living dead! What a disgraceful piece of cinematography. Zombie is about as good as it gets with Fulci, and despite the odd few who may like it it's still a pile of junk. Indeed, people here accept anything as long as it has a walking corpse in it. Sleeper, if a packed movie theatre was greeted with "Zombie" how many people do you think would suffer it until the end. I would bet my bottom dollar the cinema would almost be empty within 45 minutes. I just struggle to understand how people can appreciate films like this, even Dead Alive is considered an great film on here it's just crazy!
There is no need for anyone to back up anything here. Everything you wrote above.. guess what? It's your opinion! You try to say that you are not trying to tell people what to like, but then you go on to say you do not understand why we appreciate the films?

I mean really, don't beat around the bush here. You want everyone to accept your opinion as fact, and admit that these movies are "crap". Nothing else seems to be acceptable to you, is it?

I think the lesson you are not taking to heart here is that people are arguing with you because you are saying that your opinion is more important than their opinion, and it is the only obviously right opinion. I know that is why I am responding to your messages. I am no "fanboi" of Fulci, but I found the films I have seen of his entertaining and given the chance I would add them to my collection. To add to this perhaps the statement: "Agree to Disagree" is something you can think about.

[The Blind Dead]

I am simply saying that Fulci films are junk, very poorly made in practically every aspect.

If you're referring to Fulci's "zombie" films being poorly made, state that. When you say "Fulci films" though you risk sounding like a hater. The man has some wonderful films to his credit including Mahattan Baby, The New York Ripper, Four of the Apocalypse, Lizard in a Woman's Skin & Don't Torture a Duckling.

[Gnash]

The Fulci zombie film, Zombi 2 was awesome and had some of the best and creepiest scenes of any zombie movie to date. The soundtrack really added to the creepy effect. I was lucky enough to find a copy of the soundtrack. All the other Fulci zombie movies were dreck.

[SGT. DEATH]

Because of this thread I recently bought a film call Conquest by Fulci and this film is a bit dated I still enjoyed.Although I would have prefeered more zombies.

[The Blind Dead]

Awesome Sword & Sandal flick right there!

[toe_tag]

Who cares about the cinematography. Bad zombie flicks rule!

[The Blind Dead]

Who cares about the cinematography.
People that enjoy watching a movie instead of a wall, somebody's foot and the corner of somebody's eye.

[eardrumbuz]

People that enjoy watching a movie instead of a wall, somebody's foot and the corner of somebody's eye.

or a stationary medium shot scene of dialog a la Ed Wood...gotta love him for it though :)

[toe_tag]

I love movies where you can see the string holding up the bat and/or spider. *cough* Dracula *cough*

[Crombie]

People that enjoy watching a movie instead of a wall, somebody's foot and the corner of somebody's eye.
I actually like the cinematography in Lost...

[wildchid]

I actually like the cinematography in Lost...
Yeah, maybe they should spend more time on answering questions, and less time on cinematoghraphy :x

[Pain]

Good reason to bump this as I recently watched and reviewed Don't Torture A Duckling. A bloody fine flick! Now probably my favourite of his movies.

[The Blind Dead]

Definitely one of my favorite Fulci films right up there with Gates of Hell, The Beyond and Four of the Apocalypse.

[Todd Tjersland]

Just got Four of the Apocalypse from Netflix. Gonna check it out...

[The Blind Dead]

His westerns aren't as good as Leone's but whose are?

[jessidusen]

Fulci isn't much for story telling as someone pointed out before.. and the bad dream analogy is very close to how I see fulci films.. They are incredible pieces of art.. I tend to view film as art more than hollywood storybooks. Fulci does an incredible job at painting a picture of a world that has no good outlook or fuzzy warm beginning... You have what you have at hand to deal with problems at hand and you have the horror of what is happening.. There is no beginning or end to the story as it will be the same story tommorow and the day after that.. so I feel fulci does an impressive job at giving us a bleak picture and painting it in a way that can entertain given release from the hollywood storybook requirements and can frighten given that you have no hope for rescue or release other than to join them or keep getting by on gettin by...

[The_Lord_Humungus]

I love the main theme, and dl'd it from Limewire! WHo doesn't love good ol' "wormface" zombie? I also love that the beachfront shack in the first film is used again in Zombie Holocaust aka Dr. Butcher LOL.

[Chuck Norris]

I have just looked through this thread and I have come to the following conclusion. I am not going to partake in this debate anymore. Sadly, it has gotten to the stage where people feel the need to insult me over a zombie film. This was not my aim, and I'm afraid this topic has finished for me.

that sucks...I know the feeling. I started a thread about "could a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick(to the head)kill a Zombie?" then next day I go to check on it and some guy had written <quote>"I hate you So much, let Chuck Norris die!". Whatever....don't let it get you down you should be flattered that so many people have posted on this thread.

Also I believe what has been posted about Italian directors and how their movies are supposed to be dream like and non linear (in terms of plot etc). However that shouldn't excuse them from subjective criticism. I mean it's not like they're the only ones using symbolism(etc). American directors Lynch, Cronenberg are in my mind far more dynamic then any of the Italians and the same could be said for their style.

[Sambob]

Well, it's a fact that when you're in "survival mode" your body will react slower to pain so that you can escape. How would you react when corpses walk around? Don't tell me that you're going to unleash your allmighty rage upon them, because it's a lot different when you see it in real life. But then again, the acting is not "A-class" but still enjoyable. :)

Prove it!

Not saying you aren't probably telling the truth, but I'll wait until it happens to find out thankya.

[Pain]

that sucks...I know the feeling. I started a thread about "could a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick(to the head)kill a Zombie?" then next day I go to check on it and some guy had written <quote>"I hate you So much, let Chuck Norris die!". Whatever....don't let it get you down you should be flattered that so many people have posted on this thread.


Ah, but if you read all of Dawn78's posts in this thread you would see that he/she was just trying to illicit a response. Then when responsed to didn't like the answers as very few people agreed with him/her, and got his/her panties in a twist over it.

The answer being don't ask questions if you might not like the answers. Repeatedly stating something is crap, is not a very good comeback.

Anyway, let's stick with Fulci movies from now on as I have no interest in sob stories.

[Chuck Norris]

Ah, but if you read all of Dawn78's posts in this thread you would see that he/she was just trying to illicit a response. Then when responsed to didn't like the answers as very few people agreed with him/her, and got his/her panties in a twist over it.

The answer being don't ask questions if you might not like the answers. Repeatedly stating something is crap, is not a very good comeback.

Anyway, let's stick with Fulci movies from now on as I have no interest in sob stories.

Sure thing skro! My least favorite Fulci film is COTLD. It was total crap:poo: . Sure it had some disturbing gore but I expect more. Fulci in no way tries to explain why some priest killing himself causes zombies to return to life in some crumby little hamlet that's not even on the map(some city?). I had a good laugh at the scene in the grave yard where the chick almost took the pick axe to the face(like someone would react like that:loon: .... are the characters supposed to be laughably stupid? c'mon). so it did have some memorable stuff like the 'vomiting scene' and the 'drill scene' but it came across as a real Bush league effort from a Director who I enjoy(for the most part).

The Beyond , Zombie and NY ripper are the only Fulci films I like. The rest of his stuff seems weak, boring (as hell) and pointless. I guess with that being said I like about 30% of Fulci's films (I've seen) so his batting average is okay 300.'s pretty good. and sometimes he really knocks one out of the park:2cents: .

[DEATH DREAMS author]

Dawn78, if you have to ask, you'll never know... Fulci films are like a wild ride. You don't think too much, but rather just suspend your disbelief and go with it...

[eardrumbuz]

My least favorite Fulci film is COTLD. It was total crap:poo: . Sure it had some disturbing gore but I expect more. Fulci in no way tries to explain why some priest killing himself causes zombies to return to life in some crumby little hamlet that's not even on the map(some city?). I had a good laugh at the scene in the grave yard where the chick almost took the pick axe to the face(like someone would react like that:loon: .... are the characters supposed to be laughably stupid? c'mon). so it did have some memorable stuff like the 'vomiting scene' and the 'drill scene' but it came across as a real Bush league effort from a Director who I enjoy(for the most part).

The Beyond , Zombie and NY ripper are the only Fulci films I like.

How did he try to explain the events in The Beyond that you found more convincing? While I do like The Beyond more than City Of The Living Dead, I fail to see a difference in his approach from one to the other. Both play out just the way dreams/nightmares do...with little explanation, rationale or continuity of images and events.

[Pain]

Here's complete list of movies he directed. Funny that only about 4 ever get mentioned, yet his entire output is dismissed.

Director - filmography
(1990s) (1980s) (1970s) (1960s) (1950s)

Porte del silenzio, Le (1991) (as H. Simon Kittay)
... aka Door to Silence (International: English title)
Voci dal profondo (1991)
... aka Urla dal profondo (Italy)
... aka Voices from Beyond
... aka Voices from the Deep
Demonia (1990)
... aka Liza
Gatto nel cervello, Un (1990)
... aka A Cat in the Brain
... aka Gatto nel cervello (I volti del terrore), Un (Italy)
... aka Nightmare Concert
Hansel e Gretel (1990) (uncredited)
Casa nel tempo, La (1989) (TV)
... aka The House of Clocks
Dolce casa degli orrori, La (1989) (TV)
... aka The Sweet House of Horrors (USA: video title)
Zombi 3 (1988)
... aka Zombie Flesh Eaters 2 (UK: video title)
Fantasma di Sodoma, Il (1988)
... aka Sodoma's Ghost
... aka The Ghosts of Sodom
Quando Alice ruppe lo specchio (1988)
... aka Touch of Death
... aka When Alice Broke the Mirror
Aenigma (1987)
Miele del diavolo, Il (1986)
... aka Dangerous Obsession
... aka Devil's Honey (literal English title)
... aka Divine Obsession
... aka Miel del diablo, La (Spain)
Murderock - uccide a passo di danza (1984)
... aka Giallo a disco
... aka Murder Rock - Dancing Death
... aka Slashdance (Europe: English title: dubbed version)
... aka The Demon Is Loose (USA: dubbed version)
Guerrieri dell'anno 2072, I (1984)
... aka Fighting Centurions
... aka Rome, 2072 A.D.
... aka The New Gladiators
... aka Warriors of the Year 2072
Conquista, La (1983)
... aka Conquest
... aka Conquista de la tierra perdida, La (Spain)
Manhattan Baby (1982)
... aka Evil Eye
... aka Eye of the Evil Dead (USA: dubbed version)
... aka Malocchio, Il
... aka The Possessed
Squartatore di New York, Lo (1982)
... aka New York Ripper (USA: video title)
... aka Psycho Ripper
... aka The New York Ripper
... aka The Ripper
Quella villa accanto al cimitero (1981)
... aka The House Outside the Cemetery
... aka The House by the Cemetery (USA)
... aka Zombie Hell House (USA)
E tu vivrai nel terrore - L'aldilà (1981)
... aka Aldilà, L' (Italy: short title)
... aka And You Will Live in Terror: The Afterlife (International: English title: literal title)
... aka Seven Doors of Death (USA: censored version)
... aka The Beyond (International: English title)
Black Cat (Gatto nero) (1981)
... aka The Black Cat (International: English title) (USA)
Paura nella città dei morti viventi (1980)
... aka City of the Living Dead (International: English title)
... aka Fear in the City of the Living Dead (International: English title: literal title)
... aka Pater Thomas (Europe: bootleg title)
... aka The Fear
... aka The Gates of Hell (USA)
... aka Twilight of the Dead
Luca il contrabbandiere (1980)
... aka Contraband
... aka Luca the Smuggler (literal English title)
... aka The Naples Connections
... aka The Smuggler
"Uomo da ridere, Un" (1980) (mini) TV Series
Zombi 2 (1979)
... aka Island of the Flesh-Eaters
... aka Island of the Living Dead
... aka Ultimi zombi, Gli (Italy)
... aka Zombie (USA)
... aka Zombie ...The Dead Are Among Us! (USA: poster title)
... aka Zombie Flesh Eaters (UK)
Sella d'argento (1978)
... aka Silver Saddle
... aka The Man in the Silver Saddle
... aka They Died with Their Boots On (USA)
Sette note in nero (1977)
... aka Murder to the Tune of the Seven Black Notes
... aka Seven Notes in Black
... aka The Psychic (USA)
Pretora, La (1976)
... aka My Sister in Law (UK)
... aka Mysisterai (Philippines: English title)
Cav. Costante Nicosia demoniaco, ovvero: Dracula in Brianza, Il (1975)
... aka Dracula in the Provinces
... aka The Demonic Womanizer Costante Nicosia, or: Dracula in Brianza (informal literal English title)
... aka Young Dracula
Quattro dell'apocalisse, I (1975)
... aka Four Gunmen of the Apocalypse
... aka Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
... aka Four of the Apocalypse
Ritorno di Zanna Bianca, Il (1974)
... aka Challenge to White Fang
... aka Retour de Croc Blanc, Le (France)
... aka Teufelsschlucht der wilden Wölfe, Die (West Germany)
... aka The Return of White Fang (UK)
Zanna Bianca (1973)
... aka Colmillo Blanco (Spain)
... aka Croc-blanc (France)
... aka White Fang
Non si sevizia un paperino (1972)
... aka Don't Torture Donald Duck (UK)
... aka Don't Torture a Duckling
... aka Fanatismo (Italy)
All'onorevole piacciono le donne (Nonostante le apparenze... e purché la nazione non lo sappia) (1972)
... aka All'onorevole piacciono le donne (Italy: short title)
... aka Obsédé malgré lui (France)
... aka Senator Likes Women (USA)
... aka The Eroticist
... aka The Senator Likes Women... Despite Appearances and Provided the Nation Doesn't Know (UK)
Lucertola con la pelle di donna, Una (1971)
... aka A Lizard in a Woman's Skin
... aka Carole (France)
... aka Lagartija con piel de mujer, Una (Spain)
... aka Lizard in a Woman's Skin (USA)
... aka Salopes vont en enfer, Les (France)
... aka Schizoid (USA)
... aka Venin de la peur, Le (France: alternative title)
Desesperados, Los (1969) (co-director)
... aka A Bullet for Sandoval (USA)
... aka Desperate Men (UK)
... aka Quei disperati che puzzano di sudore e di morte (Italy)
... aka Those Desperate Men Who Smell of Dirt and Death (USA)
... aka Vengeance Is Mine
Beatrice Cenci (1969)
... aka Perversion Story (UK)
... aka The Conspiracy of Torture (USA)
Una sull'altra (1969)
... aka Historia perversa, Una
... aka Historia sull'altra, Una
... aka One on Top of the Other
... aka Perversion Story
Operazione San Pietro (1967)
... aka Abenteuer des Kardinal Braun, Die (West Germany)
... aka Au diable les anges (France)
... aka Operation St. Peter's
Lungo, il corto, il gatto, Il (1967)
... aka The Tall, the Short, the Cat
Come rubammo la bomba atomica (1967)
... aka How We Stole the Atomic Bomb
Tempo di massacro (1966)
... aka Colt Concert
... aka Colt cantarono la morte, Le
... aka Massacre Time
... aka The Brute and the Beast
Come svaligiammo la banca d'Italia (1966)
... aka Due uomini d'oro (Italy)
... aka How We Robbed the Bank of Italy (UK)
Due parà, I (1965)
... aka The Two Parachutists
002 operazione Luna (1965)
... aka 002 Operation Moon
... aka Dos cosmonautas a la fuerza (Spain)
Come inguaiammo l'esercito (1965)
... aka How We Got Into Trouble with the Army (UK)
Due pericoli pubblici, I (1964)
... aka Due nemici pubblici, I (Italy)
... aka Two Public Enemies (UK)
002 agenti segretissimi (1964)
... aka 00-2 Most Secret Agents
... aka Oh! Those Most Secret Agents (USA)
... aka Worst Secret Agents
Due evasi di Sing Sing, I (1964)
... aka Two Escape from Sing Sing (UK)
Maniaci, I (1964)
... aka Beautiful Eyes
... aka The Maniacs
Imbroglioni, Gli (1963)
... aka Mangantes, Los (Spain)
... aka The Swindlers
Strano tipo, Uno (1963)
... aka The Strange Type
Massaggiatrici, Le (1962)
... aka Faux jetons, Les (France)
... aka The Masseuses (International: English title)
Due della legione straniera, I (1962)
... aka Due della legione, I
... aka Those Two in the Legion (UK: literal English title)
Colpo gobbo all'italiana (1962)
... aka Getting Away with It the Italian Way
... aka Hunchback Italian Style (UK: literal English title)
Urlatori alla sbarra (1960)
... aka Howlers of the Dock (USA)
... aka Metti, Celentano e Mina... (Italy)
Ragazzi del Juke-Box (1959)
... aka The Jukebox Kids
Ladri, I (1959)
... aka Contrabando en Nápoles (Spain)
... aka The Thieves

(taken from IMDB)

[The Blind Dead]

Most never mention his other films because they're your typical lazy horror bystanders content to watch whatever Fulci floats past their faces. These bystanders would rather bitch and whine about "plotless this" and "dialogue that" without ever considering that those things were mere afterthoughts to Fulci. Nightmare logic, undead set-pieces and supernatural spectacle were all he needed to craft bizarre, nightmarishly atmosopheric picture books.

His films tap deeper into my fears than any film made in the last 20 years has.

[Chuck Norris]

I'm glad you like his work so much but I resent that you feel we're "typical lazy bystanders" just because we haven't watched all of his films. Perhaps you weren't referring directly to me but let's get real here. Lot's of people don't enjoy Fulci films (for they're own subjective reasons). If they don't like the ones they've seen why would they try and find the obscure ones. I can't rent many Fulci films where I live. I've rented Don't torture a Duckling, and the Beyond. I loved both so I started buying random Fulci DVDs. I now own COTLD, Zombi 3, NY ripper, Manhattan Baby, Aenigma and Demonia. I stopped there cause it was like buying scratch n'win tickets(most were duds). In Demonia there are even parts where the crew members accidentally get their gear into the shots. there's even a scene where a cast member has a back pack on....split secound later and it has vanished....O yeah Fulci did it on purpose to make it more dream like.

I'm sure there are more Fulci films out there that I'd enjoy. I'm just not prepared to buy a ton of coal to get to the gems. That being said I'd probablly rent/buy a Fulci film if a Friend recommended it....so which ones did you (hardcore Fulci fans) enjoy?