Land of the dead (what a disgrace!)

[Dawn78]

Hello i am new. I just love zombie films and I'ma big fan of the good zombie flicks such as Night, Dawn, Day, ROTLD, Dawn04, 28 Days so I was really looking forward to Land. Oh my god what a dissapointment, a very poor film! The kind of film that comes on afternoon daytime television this is such a disgrace. The big daddy zombie was also disgraceful! Everyone in my local cinema was booing so I know I wasn't alone! I'm so angry that I have waited all these years for another Romero film only to be greeted with this crap! I think I'd rather watch zombie flesh eaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


:puke:

[arayner]

shit what cinema was that, i thought it was ok although there was some compromise i suppose to get that sort of budget, but it had been a long wait for the fourth theres always that what might have been ..maybe some redemption when the next arives?...excuse my grammer:x

[9th Lv. Paladin]

I think I'm one of the few people who think land is almost as good as the first three. I actually liked this movie a lot. I think one of the reasons a lot of other people dont, Is because it was almost more of a si fi movie. Another thing is the thinking zombies. I always find it ironic that people hate this, and yet I hear nothing of bub, the zombie who could talk and was three times smarter than BD ( know I've made this point on another thread but, its good to recycle.)

[Dawn78]

The cinema where it was booed was in Cineworld at Canary Wharf. Nobody was booeing more than me though! I think the reason why Land is very unpopular amungst many zombie fans is because it hasn't got the Romero vigour. The original three force one to really imagine what it would be like if the dead took over the world. Land is just a silly action movie, and the big daddy zombie!!!.................well I was disgusted. What a poor movie! :poo:

[arayner]

thats true bub was the first but he was trained though the others began to think for them selves. But most romero fans would have enjoyed it i cant think of anyway it could have been better, a book about it would be good that way it could be done in georges true vision

[PhiloftheLiving]

First time seeing it, I was an hyped up son of a bitch expecting once more an rave of zombie enjoyment by ol' GAR. But till the end of it, I wasn't too impressed by LOTD. While Dennis Hopper and John Leguizamo are priceless actors, they just weren't enough to statisfy anything by any level. Several plotholes aswell not to ruin the film but to keep me bothered through it. Overall half of it was an disappointment, as for the other half? I assume it was nice to once more experience the Zombie genre of GAR.

[!Vision!]

I wouldn't go so far as to call the movie a disgrace, but I wasn't blown away by it either.

[Morbidfilm]

I liked it in the theater. Love the unrated dvd!

[devourthesun]

I loved this movie. My girlfriend loves this movie, (and day, and night). I think its a fitting addition to the romero dead series. And besides, people used to spend all their time bitching about how Day was bad, now they just turned it over to Land, its like Day survived the hazing and is now welcome.

Its rather sad that fans are attacking Land the way they are, because if you keep complaining and bitching about it, Were not going to get ANY big screen zombie movies.

[Slumlord]

I liked it.

[irishman3537]

It was a break away from the original plots, which I think turns many fans off. I think when I heard the title "land of the dead" I had all these visions of athe same great zombie movies GAR had produced in the past, but this one was a bit different.

Honestly the first time I seen the movie and saw the vehicle "dead reckoning" I was turned off to the movie. We just simply are not used to seeing such things in these movies, but only after watching the movie a few more times did I really start to appreciate it. In short, I like it.

[corgi37]

Wow, pretty up there with the times. The movie has come and gone. Tell us Dawn78, how about a review of King Kong. The 1933 version! hahahaha.

I liked the movie alot. Some classic scenes that befit some one of Romero's stature. Good performances all round, except for Big Daddy. I didnt mind the premise of his character, but i felt he was "humanised" too much. I mean, his FX make up was stupid. There was not even a remoted clue (injury wise) as to how he died. In the script, he only had 1 arm, and this would have been cool. The contacts they used for him were all wrong. Surely Nicotero could have put a little scab or two on his other wise perfect head. I mean, there were some odd wrinkles on his face, the FX on his nose was just plain odd, but his skull was fine. As was his ears & neck. I mean, how did he die?

Big Daddy didnt even walk right.

Number 9 stole the show as far as zombies go.

[devourthesun]

lol, Corgi wants some number 9 lovin! :lol:

[XposedGuts]

land of the dead all the way!!!!!!!!

[jackskellington]

Welcome to the forums Dawn78! One of the old schoolers here should've already told you, but there is a search function at the top of the screen you can use to find threads about most movies. Granted, it brings back ALOT of results, but it just takes a little searching to find what you're looking for so that we don't get multiple threads about the same thing over and over. Here's a link to the LOTD thread...(Which I thought sucked as well!!:lol: )

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4010&highlight=land+dead+thread

[The Doctor]

I always find it ironic that people hate this, and yet I hear nothing of bub, the zombie who could talk and was three times smarter than BD

I think it was in the execution, not the concept.

Bub was still a zombie. Big Daddy was a dead human. He lacked that "zombiness" about him. Bub was genuinelly scary and felt viable. Big Daddy was a pantomine baddy.

[Dawn78]

I loved this movie. My girlfriend loves this movie, (and day, and night). I think its a fitting addition to the romero dead series. And besides, people used to spend all their time bitching about how Day was bad, now they just turned it over to Land, its like Day survived the hazing and is now welcome.

Its rather sad that fans are attacking Land the way they are, because if you keep complaining and bitching about it, Were not going to get ANY big screen zombie movies.



I doubt that very much my friend. I think it's important that people let their feelings be known about zombie films if we want to see another film as good as Dawn78 which just hasn't happened has it. Dawn04 was a decent effort and so was 28days, even Res Evil wasn't too bad in my opinon. I think zombie films are kinda in the limelight once again, but George and any other zombie film producer must surely avoid sci-fi action as ingrediants for zombie flicks. Why can't George give the public another creepy walking dead movie? All the great new special fx and stunts don't really matter as proved in Land. I can only suggest that he makes another film with a similar plot to the original classic trilogy that Land doesn't deserve to even be associated with.

[Dawn78]

I think it was in the execution, not the concept.

Bub was still a zombie. Big Daddy was a dead human. He lacked that "zombiness" about him. Bub was genuinelly scary and felt viable. Big Daddy was a pantomine baddy.



Pantamine baddy!!!!!!!

:clap:


That's exactly what he was! Bub was absolutely brilliant on the other hand. Bubs intelligence certainly wasn't over the top, as he was captured and worked on for weeks! It's very believable to get a zombie to learn the basics like Bub did if they are captured and worked with for a considerable time length. I think Big Daddy qualifies as an Orc in Lord of the rings. He would have been ok for that I think. Oh god what was George Romero thinking using this pathetic excuse for a zombie? Was it just me or was the make-up in Land also terrible?

[Pain]

The more i watch Lotd the more i enjoy it. I don't think it is on par with GAR's earlier zombie flicks but i do think that it is better than a lot of people give it credit for

[evil-h]

Hello i am new. I just love zombie films and I'ma big fan of the good zombie flicks such as Night, Dawn, Day, ROTLD, Dawn04, 28 Days so I was really looking forward to Land. Oh my god what a dissapointment, a very poor film! The kind of film that comes on afternoon daytime television this is such a disgrace. The big daddy zombie was also disgraceful! Everyone in my local cinema was booing so I know I wasn't alone! I'm so angry that I have waited all these years for another Romero film only to be greeted with this crap! I think I'd rather watch zombie flesh eaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




:puke:


I'll make sure to call Mr. Romero on the phone immediatly and let him know of Your disapproval... :roll:

even Res Evil wasn't too bad in my opinon

And You're complaining about Romero staying away from "Sci fi action"?...Uh Huh...

[alone_withmyaxe]

In my opinion, LOTD is a good film and an excellent addition to the genre. Romero is still a master, and although I will still watch his earlier films first LOTD still makes for regular watching.

What I enjoy most is the questions it asks, in the same way that his previous movies make comment on the world we find ourselves, so does this one.
Why does mankind always behave so badly to each other?
What responsibilities do the haves, have to the have nots?
And most interestingly to myself. When does a zombie stop being flesh-eating monster and become something more, and by doing so does that still leave us the right to kill it without thinking twice?

In all of Romeros movies the dark side of the human species is shown as the worst enemy we have. LOTD is merely an extension of that, he will always sympathise with the undead.

My final point...

At the end of the day we are talking about George Romero, the man is a God in the eyes of most of us, if it wasn't for him in all likelihood this entire site would not exist. How could whatever movie he made stand up to that kind of expectation?

[goesaround]

Land of the Dead was in no way related to the first three. Not in heart, not in looks not in mind. It was as if someone else then George made the movie. The opening was like a Disneyland ride, even the voice over in the narration was hokey. The zombies including number 9 (sorry) were awful.Hell even the cameo of blade was awful, it was like he was a super monster saying 'look at me here I am in a cameo!' I hate bashing this hate hate hate. But looking the other way does no one any good. I hope and even pray Geore geets another sho and makes what I know he can make. Dont end on this

[as_i_lay_dying]

I loved the begining. When they were in that small town with the gas station. and the convenience store were the guy was bit in the arm buy the zombie cop. The movie would of been great if george kept it in the town, it would of been something George never did before in a zombie film, in a small town. The rest of the movie was ok. I hate john leguizamo, sorry but you just don't get an actor who was in one of the crappiest movies of all time, (mario brother). Hes a horrible actor. The rest of the actors were pretty good. Never seen Simon Baker in any other film, but enjoyed him in Land. Overall, Land of the Dead is at the bottom of my list of Romero zombie films. But I didnt hate it.

[The Doctor]

The point has been made several times that if this wasnt a GAR film, there wouldnt be all this criticism.

I think thats true, but its not as clear cut as that. There is a reason we expect more from GAR and that reason is simply because he has demonstrated on three seperate occasions that he is capable of it (I am aware he has worked on more films that the first three, but I think they're the only relevant ones).

It's the same reason we were dissapointed with Shane MacGowan (different business, but they're both artists and they're both legends in their trade) at last years Pogues reunion.

It's the same reason we think a local band playing in a local pub is good but would be horrified if we paid $40 to hear, say, Phil Collins play to the same standard.

It's the same reason we think The Salmon Of Doubt didnt quite work, but would have loved it if it was anyone but DNA.

It wasnt a bad film, but it wasnt great (personally, I still think it was an above average film) and GAR is capable of much better than just great.

[corgi37]

Go back 21 years, and you see very similar whinings and complaints about Day of the dead.

Why was Bub so smart?
Why wasnt there more zombies?
Why didnt they explore the town more?
How did the nose on the clown zombie stay on for so long?
Why wasnt Sarah every ones sex slave?

[Dawn78]

Land of the Dead was in no way related to the first three. Not in heart, not in looks not in mind. It was as if someone else then George made the movie. The opening was like a Disneyland ride, even the voice over in the narration was hokey. The zombies including number 9 (sorry) were awful.Hell even the cameo of blade was awful, it was like he was a super monster saying 'look at me here I am in a cameo!' I hate bashing this hate hate hate. But looking the other way does no one any good. I hope and even pray Geore geets another sho and makes what I know he can make. Dont end on this

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

Land is a disgraceful addition to the original trilogy and it's a general dissapointment. The zombies are awful, the film has a weak dialogue and absolutely no soul. These things are typified by Big Daddy who was being booed in my local cinema as there are many zombie fanatics in my area. Ok, Land may not be a terrible film but it's certainly not a good film and this is just not acceptable when you consider it's supposed to be the fourth Romero zombie classic. The fact that 28days and Dawn04 are much better than Land in every respect, sadly illustartes that other people are now making better zombie films than George Romero which has never been the case before. Land represents a sad say for zombie fans and indeed it's very sad.

[Cybopath]

I saw it at it's premire, that Romero was at attendance. No one booed there. And I think it's a good film, each has it's different flavours it's a smarter horror than most. But a bunch or cry babies clearly hiped it too much in there own head and wanted to see there own film not an original one from Romero.

[Cybopath]

Dawn04 was a decent effort and so was 28days, even Res Evil wasn't too bad in my opinon.

Sorry no way is Paul Anderson disaster movie Resident Evil anyway close to Land. At least Romero had his own Original ideas and wasn't destroyin' someone elses franchise.

[The Blind Dead]

I'll make sure to call Mr. Romero on the phone immediatly and let him know of Your disapproval... :roll:

Why does this guy voicing his opinion require sarcasm?

Honestly, I hated Land. I thought it was ridiculous crap. The sub-text felt clumsy and forced and the characters were silly and irrational. :poo:

[Dr. Russell Fell]

Land wasn't what I was expecting. Neither was Night. Or Dawn. Or Day.

There are so many nitpicks I could make about Land that bothered me. And the same goes for Night. And Dawn. And Day. You can see where I'm going with this.

[goesaround]

Sorry no way is Paul Anderson disaster movie Resident Evil anyway close to Land. At least Romero had his own Original ideas and wasn't destroyin' someone elses franchise.
Yes Land was original but you know what and I'm a 55 year old Romero trilogy freak , the zombies were much better in 'Resident Evil' then Land. Two scenes in land I liked the attack of the security guard and the forest scene when they stop the jeep.

[eardrumbuz]

i think it was fine to have characters being irrational. the point where some of them became more like caricatures, while somewhat disappointing, is still in alignment with much of what Romero has done before.
knocking Leguizamo because he acted in some other bad movie is more silly than anything in the movie itself. Cholo was bitter, stupid and selfish. i think his lines (yes, even the "see how the other half lives" one) were appropriate for his character.
what i didn't like about it was the lack of development in character relationships, and the super hero/villian (whichever way you see it) quality of Big Daddy (and yes, as goesaround said, Blades too).
and the ending was totally lame...

[The Blind Dead]

Land wasn't what I was expecting. Neither was Night. Or Dawn. Or Day.

There are so many nitpicks I could make about Land that bothered me. And the same goes for Night. And Dawn. And Day. You can see where I'm going with this.
...so...therefore negative opinions shouldn't be voiced? What exactly does this mean? lol

[The Blind Dead]

i think it was fine to have characters being irrational.
Not irrational like "Hey what's that noise? Lemme just peek around this corner."

I'm talking about "Hey my world has been ravaged by war between humans and the undead. Given half a chance any zombie would chew my arm off. THAT'S OKAY THOUGH...I WON'T BLOW THEM UP BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE IN THIS WORLD! A PLACE THEY CAN CALL...THEIR OWN!"

*sniffle*

Absolutely ridiculous. That kind of silliness just wasn't consistent with the situation. Just my opinion though.

[evil-h]

Why does this guy voicing his opinion require sarcasm?



I actually was going to respond with my exact reasons why I felt my response was posted, but I'll shorten it to this -

My earlier response was simply my way of saying those of us who appreciated and liked the movie could give a *$#% less if they didn't like the movie, and continuing to post on their dislike simply comes across as someone who lives in an unrealistic world...

You know, that unrealistic world where certain people can never please everyone...That world where they put people above the rest of humanity and thereby take them to task should they do something, anything that they don't like...

Noones going to like everything some people do...Romero, unfortunately, will always have that stigma attatched to him by some, which really, is pretty damn unfair, as it simply means that anytime he doesn't deliver "the goods" to some pre-expected degree, then it's gonna bring the disdain of others...

No, Land wasn't Dawn of the Dead (I prefer Day, personally) ...It wasn't Romero's best film...But it also wasn't some horrid piece of crap by any means...

Sure as hell was more original then 28 Days later, which in my opinion was mainly a movie ripping off other zombie flicks ideas...Although some might argue it was "homage", I'd disagree...

But feel free to be sarcastic back, as I'm a tad more thick skinned then that to worry about it...

[Dawn78]

Sorry no way is Paul Anderson disaster movie Resident Evil anyway close to Land. At least Romero had his own Original ideas and wasn't destroyin' someone elses franchise.

Well I would struggle to understand how anyone could think Land is better than Res Evil. Res Evil is much better in my opinion and at least Res Evil has an understandable dialogue. The zombies in Res Evil are certainly much better and it was entertaining for most. Land is just a piece of pooh! You have to remember that Res Evil was a decent effort to give zombie fans and the fans of the game something to watch, but Land was supposed to be an addition to the greatest zombie films in the world. For this reason, Land is a disgrace. The films are supposed to be based on zombies, and Res Evil zombies kick Land zombies to hell!

LAND :poo: OF :poo: THE :poo: DEAD :poo:

[Zombie Survivor]

What on Earth are you all talking about? LotD was a great movie (seriously). Okay, it wasn't like the other Dead movies, but hey I enjoyed it!

P.S.
Dawn78, it the beginning of this thread you mention that Zombie Flesh Eaters (a.ka. Zombi(e) 2) was crap. Not literally, but you were suggesting it. Let me the first one to say that Zombie 2 is a classic! One of the better movies. Next to Romero.

[9th Lv. Paladin]

But a bunch or cry babies clearly hiped it too much in there own head and wanted to see there own film not an original one from Romero.
Great way of putting that.
I will admit that since the movie had a budget was over 6 mill, the feeling of the movie seemed gone. But when did George ever say he was going to make a movie just like dawn of the dead? Land was still a remarkably entertaining movie. if you don't like it, Excuse GAR for trying something different.

[Crickler]

I'm firmly in the pro-land camp but first a couple of concessions:
-Yes Bid Daddy's and Blade's make up sucked, not nearly zombie enough.
-The ending was poor, far too upbeat, from the street people surviving, letting BD go and the uber-cheese fireworks in the final shot. It felt like the ending was changed to fit the sub text.
- Shouldn't have used CGI for the headshots.

On the other hand most of the zombies in land look great, especially No9 (mmmm). The jaw bone in her ripped cheek moves! Thats so cool! As for it not being a part of the Romero story arc everything was a natural progression and seemed logical, as the surviving humans learnt to deal with the zombies it makes sense that they would group together and fortify a location. It also makes perfect sense that they would go raiding for supplies - we talk about it enough on this site. As for the smart zombies again its just completing the arc started in Day. I'll conceed it doesn't have the same 'feel' as the other three films but I reckon that has more to do with the budget and modern tech as oppossed to the story.

Oh and please stop comparing Land to the turgid, piss-poor pile of doggy doo that is Resident Evil or i'm gonna start to cry:cry:

[Zombie Survivor]

Most of the zombies in land look great, especially No9 (mmmm). The jaw bone in her ripped cheek moves! Thats so cool! As for it not being a part of the Romero story arc everything was a natural progression and seemed logical, as the surviving humans learnt to deal with the zombies it makes sense that they would group together and fortify a location. It also makes perfect sense that they would go raiding for supplies - we talk about it enough on this site. As for the smart zombies again its just completing the arc started in Day. I'll conceed it doesn't have the same 'feel' as the other three films but I reckon that has more to do with the budget and modern tech as oppossed to the story.

You took the words out of my mouth!

[Cybopath]

Yes Land was original but you know what and I'm a 55 year old Romero trilogy freak , the zombies were much better in 'Resident Evil' then Land.


Nope sorry they where not.

The zombie designs in Resi Evil where very unempressive. The gore was very low too.

These facts don't make a film good or bad mind you.

[Cybopath]

Not irrational like "Hey what's that noise? Lemme just peek around this corner."

I'm talking about "Hey my world has been ravaged by war between humans and the undead. Given half a chance any zombie would chew my arm off. THAT'S OKAY THOUGH...I WON'T BLOW THEM UP BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE IN THIS WORLD! A PLACE THEY CAN CALL...THEIR OWN!"

*sniffle*

Absolutely ridiculous. That kind of silliness just wasn't consistent with the situation. Just my opinion though.

Why does this guy voicing his opinion require sarcasm?

[MonsterHunter]

I thought Land of the Dead was absolutely awesome! I think I even liked it more then Day of the Dead.

It’s a shame that so many people dont like it.

.

[The Blind Dead]

Why does this guy voicing his opinion require sarcasm?
I wasn't being sarcastic with eardrumbuz. He and I are adults and are able to communicate without sarcasm tags.

Not everybody seems able to.

:clap:

[The Blind Dead]

My earlier response was simply my way of saying those of us who appreciated and liked the movie could give a *$#% less if they didn't like the movie, and continuing to post on their dislike simply comes across as someone who lives in an unrealistic world...

There are people out there who hated the film just as much as you appreciated it and both sides should be free to speak their mind on it. Especially on this site.

If you "could give a *$#% less" about these negative opinions why even bother posting in this thread? Obviously, you do give a "*$#% less". So, perhaps you, technically, are the one that's having a hard time with reality?

:lol:


But feel free to be sarcastic back, as I'm a tad more thick skinned then that to worry about it...

Duly noted, immediately discarded.

[Cybopath]

I wasn't being sarcastic with eardrumbuz. He and I are adults and are able to communicate without sarcasm tags.

Not everybody seems able to.

:clap:

Oh, OK so you where actually crying at the end of Land because you felt so sorry for the zombies.

Silly me, I thought you where being sarcasric.

[The Blind Dead]

Oh, OK so you where actually crying at the end of Land because you felt so sorry for the zombies.

Silly me, I thought you where being sarcasric.
...uh...yeah. I'm sure it sounded good in your head when you originally typed it. :dunce: :)

[The Doctor]

I watched land again last night and have a question.

Given how quickly it would run out with no fresh supplies and that its obvious a reasonably large ammount of time has passed since Night, where do they get all that petrol from? There's an awful lot of driving goes on in that film for a world where supplies must be low.

[eardrumbuz]

i can see this turning into another 200+ page thread (fyi for any newbies, there was a LOTD thread in which all of this was "discussed" at great length)...

so since i've stated my opinion already, pretty much the same as my initial one last summer, just a bit condensed, i'll only add this:

I agree with TBD about the irrational behavior of Riley at the end. His line of dialog sounded so stupid. I do think Riley was justified in feeling the way he did, and in his defense, the zombies were 'retreating' at the point when he announced they shouldn't be fired upon. But the fireworks ending looked stupid AND discharging your weapons and heading out into the unknown is sheer stupidity! it was also kinda lame that Cholo, Kaufman, and a bunch of extras were the only zombie victims. the legless zombie shoulda been able to get somebody in Dead Reckoning before being disposed of.

And re: sarcasm...TBD's :sniffle: didn't appear to be directed at me, but at the situation Riley created at the end of the film.

Bottom line...i still like the movie. i love the first 3. i like this one.

[Cybopath]

...uh...yeah. I'm sure it sounded good in your head when you originally typed it. :dunce: :)

Clearly one of these people who doesn't actually understand the word sarcastic. I'll explain it for you.

Sarcasm is when you delebritly say the opposite of what you mean to cause offence.

So when you made the *sniffle* remark either meant that you where crying (Which I strongly doubt) at the zombies finding a place to stay or that you found the idea of sympathy towards them pathetic/stupid and where poking fun. In that case it would be sarcasm.

I don't actually care about people being sarcastic it's just that you jump on people's back for it yet seem to think you can use it freely.

[The Blind Dead]

Clearly one of these people who doesn't actually understand the word sarcastic. I'll explain it for you.

Sarcasm is when you delebritly say the opposite of what you mean to cause offence.

So when you made the *sniffle* remark either meant that you where crying (Which I strongly doubt) at the zombies finding a place to stay or that you found the idea of sympathy towards them pathetic/stupid and where poking fun. In that case it would be sarcasm.

I don't actually care about people being sarcastic it's just that you jump on people's back for it yet seem to think you can use it freely.
Clearly you've got an e-grudge you need to cope with but you're steering the thread off-topic so please stick to the subject at hand. Forum courtesy rocks. :clap:

I watched land again last night and have a question.

Given how quickly it would run out with no fresh supplies and that its obvious a reasonably large ammount of time has passed since Night, where do they get all that petrol from? There's an awful lot of driving goes on in that film for a world where supplies must be low.
That's probably true but I think you're required to suspend your disbelief for things like that. Technically, most of the dead would eventually decay past the point of mobility as well but we just have to accept the rules Romero has laid out. Good question though I'm sure some of the other guys on the forum have actually researched that very subject.

[HOO-HAA]

it was also kinda lame that Cholo, Kaufman, and a bunch of extras were the only zombie victims. the legless zombie shoulda been able to get somebody in Dead Reckoning before being disposed of.


That was also my initial reaction at the end... not 'My god, what a dreadful flick' (because I actually enjoyed it despite its many, many flaws) nor 'Geez, that didn't make a lot of sense' (cos, let's face it, the plot had more holes in it than a whore's stocking)....

... simply, my first thoughts whilst the credits rolled were 'What?! Nobody died??' :doh:

[Cybopath]

Clearly you've got an e-grudge you need to cope with.



Cover your conclushion

[The Blind Dead]

That was also my initial reaction at the end... not 'My god, what a dreadful flick' (because I actually enjoyed it despite its many, many flaws) nor 'Geez, that didn't make a lot of sense' (cos, let's face it, the plot had more holes in it than a whore's stocking)....

... simply, my first thoughts whilst the credits rolled were 'What?! Nobody died??' :doh:
HAHA! I sat after watching it wondering why we didn't get Argento nudity. :lol:

[corgi37]

Apart from no Argento nudity, my biggest concern was the amount of more or less "fresh" zombies. No. 9 looked like she got chomped the day before, which is pretty dumb to think about. Going roughly by the time line Romero has hinted at, she's been wielding that softball bat for years.

Big Daddy's FX make up was the most bewildering. What the hell "lool" were they going for? His eye lens looked more vampire/werewolf than zombie. He had something odd going on with his nose, and the cheek make-up - What the hell was that supposed to be? Yet his skull and back of his neck were in pristine condition. I sort of assume Nicotero wanted him to look as human as possible to generate empathy with him, but i think he stuffed it up.

To me, LAND is not as good as the Night or Dawn, or the Night remake. But i think it's equal to Day.

[Dr. Russell Fell]

...so...therefore negative opinions shouldn't be voiced? What exactly does this mean? lol

No, negative opinions are great.

Asinine negative opinions on the other hand...

Also, way to dodge Cyphopath's calling of your sh*t and attempting to walk away like the keeper of peace. Pretty nice maneuver, there.

[eardrumbuz]

Apart from no Argento nudity, my biggest concern was the amount of more or less "fresh" zombies. No. 9 looked like she got chomped the day before, which is pretty dumb to think about. Going roughly by the time line Romero has hinted at, she's been wielding that softball bat for years.

Big Daddy's FX make up was the most bewildering.

wow. and here i was ready to lay off discussing this flick because i felt everything had already been said. but here you have a really good point! there can certainly be fresh zombies in LOTD, but there is no logical explanation for any of them to be dressed for a softball game or concert or a job in a supermarket or gas station. if these freshly zombified people really lived in the world of LOTD, they'd have been in street clothes or military uniforms like everyone else.

[The Blind Dead]

No, negative opinions are great.

Asinine negative opinions on the other hand...

Also, way to dodge Cyphopath's calling of your sh*t and attempting to walk away like the keeper of peace. Pretty nice maneuver, there.
No "maneuver". I simply decided not to continue bickering and he seems intent on proving something to himself and others. Luckily, now that you're co-signing for him he'll get that validation he so obviously needs.

Now then, if you're done attempting to flex your own "perceptive" brilliance, I'm sure others would like to continue to discuss this thread a bit more. Is that okay with you? :)

[The Blind Dead]

Apart from no Argento nudity, my biggest concern was the amount of more or less "fresh" zombies. No. 9 looked like she got chomped the day before, which is pretty dumb to think about. Going roughly by the time line Romero has hinted at, she's been wielding that softball bat for years.

Big Daddy's FX make up was the most bewildering. What the hell "lool" were they going for? His eye lens looked more vampire/werewolf than zombie. He had something odd going on with his nose, and the cheek make-up - What the hell was that supposed to be? Yet his skull and back of his neck were in pristine condition. I sort of assume Nicotero wanted him to look as human as possible to generate empathy with him, but i think he stuffed it up.

To me, LAND is not as good as the Night or Dawn, or the Night remake. But i think it's equal to Day.

wow. and here i was ready to lay off discussing this flick because i felt everything had already been said. but here you have a really good point! there can certainly be fresh zombies in LOTD, but there is no logical explanation for any of them to be dressed for a softball game or concert or a job in a supermarket or gas station. if these freshly zombified people really lived in the world of LOTD, they'd have been in street clothes or military uniforms like everyone else.
Interesting. I don't believe I ever really thought about that either lol

[9th Lv. Paladin]

I've always translated "they're just looking for a place to go" as "its a long way to Canada, lets not waist anymore time on these guys" I have no idea where I got this, but it makes a lot more sense than the earlier. As for the fire works... I'm, still wondering about that. He clearly could have used them. Oh well.

[Dr. Russell Fell]

No "maneuver". I simply decided not to continue bickering and he seems intent on proving something to himself and others. Luckily, now that you're co-signing for him he'll get that validation he so obviously needs.

Now then, if you're done attempting to flex your own "perceptive" brilliance, I'm sure others would like to continue to discuss this thread a bit more. Is that okay with you? :)

haha you "decided." Awesome.

[The Blind Dead]

haha you "decided." Awesome.
Don't let it eat you up.

I've always translated "they're just looking for a place to go" as "its a long way to Canada, lets not waist anymore time on these guys" I have no idea where I got this, but it makes a lot more sense than the earlier.
I suppose that's one way of looking at it!

[zombiecreepshow.com]

I love the concept of "smart" zombies. I feel: "The newer the corpse, The more dangerous the zombie".

I dunno, I think it just adds a great element that most flicks don't have. I've grown tired of the wandering, weak, and downright stupid dead.

[HOO-HAA]

I heard randomly off a mate that Romero and the film company were in some sort of argy-bargy over the direction of the film, leading to it feeling a little like the cross between Mad Max, ROTLD and (... The A-Team?... :scare: ) that it seems to be to me...

... does anyone know if there's any truth to this? Perhaps it's been discussed already in that other War-And-Peace-like LOTD thread that had spawned over 3 million posts before I actually got to see the gaddam flick! :lol:

[Book]

I would just like to get some points for denouncing this as a craptrap a couple years ago? I mean I dont' really care if anyone has a reason to like it or not, I just want attention.

[HOO-HAA]

I would just like to get some points for denouncing this as a craptrap a couple years ago? I mean I dont' really care if anyone has a reason to like it or not, I just want attention.

Have you done something with your hair, Book? Looks really nice... ;-)

[The Blind Dead]

I would just like to get some points for denouncing this as a craptrap a couple years ago? I mean I dont' really care if anyone has a reason to like it or not, I just want attention.
"Striking avatar...great coloring...IT'S A TRUE CLASSIC!" - TBD

Sorry, I'm always in blurb mode. :cry:

[Dawn78]

There are people out there who hated the film just as much as you appreciated it and both sides should be free to speak their mind on it. Especially on this site.

If you "could give a *$#% less" about these negative opinions why even bother posting in this thread? Obviously, you do give a "*$#% less". So, perhaps you, technically, are the one that's having a hard time with reality?

:lol:


Duly noted, immediately discarded.



:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Dawn78]

What on Earth are you all talking about? LotD was a great movie (seriously). Okay, it wasn't like the other Dead movies, but hey I enjoyed it!

P.S.
Dawn78, it the beginning of this thread you mention that Zombie Flesh Eaters (a.ka. Zombi(e) 2) was crap. Not literally, but you were suggesting it. Let me the first one to say that Zombie 2 is a classic! One of the better movies. Next to Romero.



:lol:

You seriously think that Fulci films are good? You are kidding right? Fulci films are awful! They are like as if someone has just got a video camera out and filmed a load of nonsense. Fulci movies have no soul, no meaning, and everything about them is terrible. Maybe zombie extreimests would like them but I doubt anyone else would, would they????????????????

[UNDEAD FRED]

DAWN 78 , dude , dont let it get to you to much, its not worth it, remember if the other person walks away mad, you win. As far as being a disgrace, thats a little extreme, I personly like LOTD, I didnt love it, but I like any thing to do with zombies, except DOTD Containmemt, or what ever that piece of crap movie was called . I still cant get the words FRANKIN HOES out of my mind, But at least you took a stick and stired up the ant pile.:loon:

[Cybopath]

:lol:

You seriously think that Fulci films are good? You are kidding right? Fulci films are awful! They are like as if someone has just got a video camera out and filmed a load of nonsense. Fulci movies have no soul, no meaning, and everything about them is terrible. Maybe zombie extreimests would like them but I doubt anyone else would, would they????????????????

I'm not a fan of fulici but Zombie (Known here as Zombie Flesh Eaters) is one of the better zombie flicks. And seriously if everyone's gonna hate that and Romero's later work then this site should just be called All things Night and Dawn.

[9th Lv. Paladin]

Maybe zombie extreimests would like them but I doubt anyone else would,
Apparently there are more 'zombie extremists' that I thought :loon:

[Book]

I'm not a fan of fulici but Zombie (Known here as Zombie Flesh Eaters) is one of the better zombie flicks. And seriously if everyone's gonna hate that and Romero's later work then this site should just be called All things Night and Dawn.

Or we could call the site "All Things That Everyone Should Like Because It Has A Zombie In It". Welcome to adulthood, where people usually dislike shitty movies.

[Pain]

Or we could call the site "All Things That Everyone Should Like Because It Has A Zombie In It". Welcome to adulthood, where people usually dislike shitty movies.

Nice one:)

[Cybopath]

Or we could call the site "All Things That Everyone Should Like Because It Has A Zombie In It". Welcome to adulthood, where people usually dislike shitty movies.

You'd be better with All things I'm on my period lets have a moan

[Crickler]

You'd be better with All things I'm on my period lets have a moan

Bit below the belt:rimshot:

Seriously though whats wrong with Fulci films? Zombie is an absolute classic of the genre and I love the brooding gothic atmosphere of the Beyond and City of the Living Dead. And come on you've got to at least appriciate the incredible gore set pieces - the eye gouge, the organ vomiting and the tarantula's ripping out that poor buggers eye and tougue to name but a few. Hmm, time to add House by the Cemetary to my collection methinks.

P.S I thought this was a site of zombie extremists?

[Book]

You'd be better with All things I'm on my period lets have a moan


Naw. We should try "Cybopath Resorts To Banal Sexism Or Insults When No One Want To Take Part In His Pity Party Homage To His Shitty Taste and Zombies.com". Either way, don't be the moderator, since you'll probably start screaming in pure denial when MOST people on a thread think a crappy movie, is well...crap. Change your tampon and let your mom use the computer to find your new daddy, you retard.
That and I found you don't have to have ovaries to think this movie sucks. But apparently you have to act like a bitch on the rag if someone rips into it.

[9th Lv. Paladin]

...Shame, And I was starting to like this thread:-(

[Pain]

And with that wonderfully eloquent statement we should all get back to ripping the shit out of Land of the Dead. Well apart from me, as i liked it:)

No more sexist comments please.

[Book]

And with that wonderfully eloquent statement we should all get back to ripping the shit out of Land of the Dead. Well apart from me, as i liked it:)

No more sexist comments please.

Pain can like what he wants, since he has good taste in music!

[HOO-HAA]

Pain can like what he wants, since he has good taste in music!

.... Maybe it's your nails. Have you had a manicure lately? Is that new perfume you're wearing?

Oh, and it would be lovely if we all could log onto allthing-let's-be-civil-during-a-discussion-like-adults.com whilst indulging in a debate, oui? :)

... Not that all this pulling eachother's hair business isn't entertaining, mind... :lol:

[Cybopath]

Naw. We should try "Cybopath Resorts To Banal Sexism Or Insults When No One Want To Take Part In His Pity Party Homage To His Shitty Taste and Zombies.com". Either way, don't be the moderator, since you'll probably start screaming in pure denial when MOST people on a thread think a crappy movie, is well...crap. Change your tampon and let your mom use the computer to find your new daddy, you retard.
That and I found you don't have to have ovaries to think this movie sucks. But apparently you have to act like a bitch on the rag if someone rips into it.
Funny thing is I didn't even know you where a girl. But then again you where the one who laid into me for my pretty mild Night n Dawn comment so I really don't give a crap.

More mindless drivel about how bad Land was.

[HOO-HAA]

More mindless drivel about how bad Land was.

... Or alternatively we could speculate on what's going to happen with Land 2 ... Mad Max 4, anyone? With zombies instead of cyber-punks? :scare:

[The Blind Dead]

:lol:

You seriously think that Fulci films are good? You are kidding right? Fulci films are awful! They are like as if someone has just got a video camera out and filmed a load of nonsense. Fulci movies have no soul, no meaning, and everything about them is terrible. Maybe zombie extreimests would like them but I doubt anyone else would, would they????????????????
Er...uh...I agree on Land lacking but I completely disagree with Fulci's films being awful. Woman in a Lizard's Skin and Don't Torture a Duckling are spectacular films.

[The Blind Dead]

Or we could call the site "All Things That Everyone Should Like Because It Has A Zombie In It". Welcome to adulthood, where people usually dislike shitty movies.
HAHAHAHAHA! Holy Hell that was funny. You damn troublemaker you.

You'd be better with All things I'm on my period lets have a moan
Wow, surprisingly low brow. :roll:

[The Blind Dead]

More mindless drivel about how bad Land was.

What exactly seperates anti-Land mindless drivel from pro-Land mindless drivel?

[9th Lv. Paladin]

I can understand where that anti-land people are coming from. With the zombie craze getting bigger and bigger. I suppose many people where hoping a new Romero movie would serve as some sort of climax, and, well, it didn’t. As much as I loved this movie, Even I'll admit this movie could have been better. It had some heavily unrealistic elements. While it was a little faster paced than the first three, it was in no way an action movie. Like, dawn 04, I'm sure a lot of people would have liked it more, had it not been the hype.

P.S I thought this was a site of zombie extremists?
LOL You win the internets.

[Dr. Russell Fell]

And with that wonderfully eloquent statement we should all get back to ripping the shit out of Land of the Dead. Well apart from me, as i liked it:)

No more sexist comments please.

Not that I'm defending the statement, but how was it sexist?


Anyway, Zombi 2 is an alright film. Fulci's films are better known for there crazy gore and not so much there plot/coherence.

I think the MAIN reason why so many people are so pissy and moany about Land of the Dead is because Romero is changings things up a bit with his ghouls. That's fine by me. What really makes me laugh is how people are complaining how Land was too heavy handed with social commentary.

Did you people not see Dawn of the Dead? Or any of his Dead films? I mean, c'mon, seriously.

[Dawn78]

I own all the Fulci films and they are bad films, poorly made in every respect and it's only sites like this where such films would ever be appreciated. Everyone has the right to an opinion and if some of us like to watch bad films that's fine, some of us may even enjoy them but it doesn't change the fact that they are crap. You can't try and tell me that a zombie attacking a shark for example is good viewing, it's just totally pathetic. As for "Beyond", well I have never seen anything so shtty in my whole life. This is a zombie site though, and many people who spend considerable amounts of time on sites like this will no doubt accept anything as long as it has a zombie in it. I'm afraid I don't feel the same. Come on be realistic, how many people would sit through a Fulci film and enjoy it?

[Book]

.... Maybe it's your nails. Have you had a manicure lately? Is that new perfume you're wearing?

Oh, and it would be lovely if we all could log onto allthing-let's-be-civil-during-a-discussion-like-adults.com whilst indulging in a debate, oui? :)

... Not that all this pulling eachother's hair business isn't entertaining, mind... :lol:

Oh you love every minute of it and you know it! I bet you've watched "Mean Girls" twenty times this week alone! I have your number Mr.Spiral...if that is INDEED your real name!

[Book]

. Come on be realistic, how many people would sit through a Fulci film and enjoy it?

Three words my friend: With a Blunt.

[Book]

[QUOTE=Dr. Russell Fell]

I think the MAIN reason why so many people are so pissy and moany about Land of the Dead is because Romero is changings things up a bit with his ghouls. That's fine by me.[QUOTE]

Are you guys even reading the reasons people are giving for not liking it or just filling them with your own bombastic hyperbole?

It was a TERRIBLE movie because the plot had holes you could drive the dead reckoning through, the acting was canned at best and painful to watch for the most part, the evolved zombies were boring (there, I gave you an evolved zombie issue), and the violence on Sponge Bob Square Pants The Movie was more realistic. All you future film makers and fans either need to grow a thicker skin or accept that when a lot of people think something is lame, there is probably a reason for that. What do you think you are going to do? Convince anyone that it was a good movie after all?

[9th Lv. Paladin]

Everyone has the right to an opinion and if some of us like to watch bad films that's fine, some of us may even enjoy them but it doesn't change the fact that they are crap.
Im not even going to write a sarcastic coment for this.
This is a zombie site though, and many people who spend considerable amounts of time on sites like this will no doubt accept anything as long as it has a zombie in it.
So, did you join ATZ to discuss zombie movies. or to bash it's users and/or the movies they like?
Quite a lot of my friends walk up to me and say, Paladin(they don’t actually call me Paladin, although I wish hey did), get me started watching zombie movies, I usually show them Night or dawn, But sometimes we'll watch Zombi 2 or 3. I've never heard them say anything bad about either.

[R-Complex]

Are you guys even reading the reasons people are giving for not liking it or just filling them with your own bombastic hyperbole?
Well, I'll agree that fans are often over enthusiastic in their unthinking praise for a pet interest, but it is true that there are a variety of reasons people hated or loved LotD, and one of the persistant complaints has been the portrayal of the ghouls (specifically the rise in intelligence). Some fans of 'Night hated Dawn' because it changed the mood from bleak nihilism to black socio-political comedy and did away with tool using zombies; others hated Day' 'cause its characters were cardboard thin and the performances made Asia Argento in Land' look like a Stanislavski graduate. So while I agree that some seem to be filling in the gaps to explain away the negative opinions of Land', others have dismissed Land' with little or no substantive argument to bolster their view. I can accept that some fans hated Land' and have well thought out reasons for doing so, but I've also seen plenty of bombastic hyperbole from the detractors with nothing to back them up.
It was a TERRIBLE movie because the plot had holes you could drive the dead reckoning through, the acting was canned at best and painful to watch for the most part, the evolved zombies were boring (there, I gave you an evolved zombie issue), and the violence on Sponge Bob Square Pants The Movie was more realistic.
Now there's some meat on them bones! While I disagree with your analysis, I like that it's substantive. C'mon! Spongebob was so fake! I mean you could see the seams in Patrick's costume...... As for the effects in Land'- you really didn't like Nicotero's work?
All you future film makers and fans either need to grow a thicker skin or accept that when a lot of people think something is lame, there is probably a reason for that. What do you think you are going to do? Convince anyone that it was a good movie after all?
Of course there's a reason people think various things are lame, but that doesn't mean they're right! There's also a reason many loved Land' yet that doesn't end the argument either. I've been on the trolley with your argument up to this point, but just because many believe it is so doesn't make it so. And I don't think the defenders are going to convince anyone that they're correct, no more than you are going to convince me that I am wrong in admiring Land' as the clever political diatribe-disguised-as-zombie-allegory it is. But we all come to the various forums to state our opinons and hash it out from there. This isn't a debate over a political issue where facts and logic can be used to substantiate a position, it's a film..... about zombies. There's nothing independent to verify whether it is objectively "good" or "bad"- just a lot of impassioned opinions. And I'm cool with that. (For example, I loathe Stephen King novels. He's a hack, a talentless scribbler whose success baffles me. But I accept that he has a legion of admirers and my opinion cannot be measured and verified like the speed of light or the chromosomal count of a fruit fly. It's all insubstantive opinionating).

[Dawn78]

[QUOTE=Dr. Russell Fell]

I think the MAIN reason why so many people are so pissy and moany about Land of the Dead is because Romero is changings things up a bit with his ghouls. That's fine by me.[QUOTE]

Are you guys even reading the reasons people are giving for not liking it or just filling them with your own bombastic hyperbole?

It was a TERRIBLE movie because the plot had holes you could drive the dead reckoning through, the acting was canned at best and painful to watch for the most part, the evolved zombies were boring (there, I gave you an evolved zombie issue), and the violence on Sponge Bob Square Pants The Movie was more realistic. All you future film makers and fans either need to grow a thicker skin or accept that when a lot of people think something is lame, there is probably a reason for that. What do you think you are going to do? Convince anyone that it was a good movie after all?


:clap:


Absolutely brilliant post. For some bizarre reason, people on zombie sites tend to get offended very easily if they are told their films are crap. There are many crap films I enjoy, but I am realistic enough to know why most people would view them as crap. There is indeed opinions, but there are also general opinions and generally Land of the dead is a failure and a dissapointment.

[Dawn78]

Three words my friend: With a Blunt.


Can you please explain what you mean here? Sorry but I don't understand.

[Pain]

Not that I'm defending the statement, but how was it sexist?


It wasn't directed at you Dr.

And in reply to who could sit through a Fulci movie and enjoy it. I did, do and will continue to enjoy them.

One problem i did find with Land of the Dead was the casting of some of the "stars". I would have preferred a little more annonymity to the cast.

[Book]

One problem i did find with Land of the Dead was the casting of some of the "stars". I would have preferred a little more annonymity to the cast.

Yeah. I didn't mind Asia, since she is a bit of an institution. But most of the rest were well known actors. It lost its "realism" for me then. With Night, Dawn, and Day you didn't really attatch any of the faces with other characters from other movies.

[Pain]

But would he have got the funding if he hadn't used name actors? Catch 22 i guess.

I'd still rather watch Lotd than some of the other crap that tries to force its way onto the screen. Yes, i'm talking about Return pt 4 and 5, man they were grim.

[Book]

Of course there's a reason people think various things are lame, but that doesn't mean they're right! There's also a reason many loved Land' yet that doesn't end the argument either.R-Complex

I didn't word that too well, but my intention was "eat shit a million flies can't be wrong". You have a lot of people not liking something so there must be a reason for that. I don't think mass hysteria is the reason quite a few on here dislike the movie. If I had phrased it better it would have addressed the argument about "you are just a buncha cry babies if you don't like this brilliant movie!".

But would he have got the funding if he hadn't used name actors? Catch 22 i guess.Pain

Not sure about that. You are getting movies every day without a big named actor attached to it, like almost any Eli Roth film, that become huge successes. It's also well known that Romero is notorious for not getting along with anyone, much less a soul sucking studio, when it comes to making movies. I don't know if it is a combination of that and, my personal feeling, that Romero hasn't really evolved his talent over the years.

[The Blind Dead]

What really makes me laugh is how people are complaining how Land was too heavy handed with social commentary.

Did you people not see Dawn of the Dead? Or any of his Dead films? I mean, c'mon, seriously.
So you're saying Land's sub-text was as subtle as Night or Dawn? :roll: Dawn's statement on consumerism was nowhere near as blatant as flaming CG money, Hopper's blatant portrayal of heartless Republican greed or the super weak, extremely out-of-character "They're just looking for a place" comment.

Then again...maybe not everybody is as smart as you. Perhaps everybody that points out the clumsy politics in Land should just stop voicing their opinion and agree with you instead?

[The Blind Dead]

Yeah. I didn't mind Asia, since she is a bit of an institution. But most of the rest were well known actors. It lost its "realism" for me then. With Night, Dawn, and Day you didn't really attatch any of the faces with other characters from other movies.
I kind of felt Asia being in Land was a "thanks for producing Dawn" kind of thing. I could be wrong.

[The Blind Dead]

And in reply to who could sit through a Fulci movie and enjoy it. I did, do and will continue to enjoy them.

It would appear that not many know of Fulci's work outside of Zombi 2/Zombie. Fulci has quite a few wonderful films under his belt outside of the gore horror films most are familiar with. I definitely enjoy his work.

[Book]

I kind of felt Asia being in Land was a "thanks for producing Dawn" kind of thing. I could be wrong.

yeah...I got that feeling too. And to feed that money spewing 14 to 21 year old fanboy demographic (no offence guys). Okay..be honest...who wanted both of those zombies to rip her apart in that arena?

[Pain]

Oh to be 21 again:lol:

[The Blind Dead]

to feed that money spewing 14 to 21 year old fanboy demographic (no offence guys). Okay..be honest...who wanted both of those zombies to rip her apart in that arena?
:) None taken. I wish I was 21 again!

Honestly, I was hoping to see some clothing get ripped off first but I openly admit I'm sexist slime. :drinking:

[UNDEAD FRED]

I think everyone was expecting to much from this movie. It wasnt ment to be a oscar winner. When the original NOTLD came out back in the 1960s it was a b-type movie geared twoards a saturday night drive in crowd who was more concerned about making out, than watching the movie. I 1st saw DOTD 78 at the drive in when it first came out, wasnt making out sad to say, but was passing a joint around. LOTD is a b-type movie, same as all those 50s, and 60s monster movies, they are not known for thier great acting, but fun at midnight. of course some people who think they have a superior air about themselfs, and feel the need to call everything crap, or talk down to people are for the most part were the kids in high school who got beating up for thier lunch money, giving wedgies in the hallways, and allways picked last for sports, and think this is thier way of getting some payback. Now thats the real disgrace.

[9th Lv. Paladin]

You are getting movies every day without a big named actor attached to it, like almost any Eli Roth film, that become huge successes.

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movies/hostel.jpg
QUENTIN TARANTINO presents, Hostel.
Nope, don't see any big names attached to that:lol:
Sorry sorry, but it had to be said.
Although He was not an actor, but you know what I mean.

[R-Complex]

:) So you're saying Land's sub-text was as subtle as Night or Dawn? :roll: Dawn's statement on consumerism was nowhere near as blatant as flaming CG money, Hopper's blatant portrayal of heartless Republican greed or the super weak, extremely out-of-character "They're just looking for a place" comment.
I'm certain Dr. Fell can speak for himself but I didn't read his post as an argument that Land's theme was subtle; I interpreted it as stating that all of Romero's films are heavy handed allegories, and Land' was no more nor less than its predecessors. I've always felt Day' was the most ham fisted and clumsily presented Romero film; Day' wears its anti-war metaphor on its sleeve with all the subtlety of the Phelps clan at a West Hollywood club. It's loud and plotless and lacks any depth of character and betrays its weak cast through every bellowed line. Even though I think it's the least effective of Romero's Dead films, I also love it. Some may find Night' was the most blatant in its theme(s)despite Romero's insistence that the anti-Vientnam war and/or race relation themes weren't intentional. I thought Starship Troopers was a wickedly subversive satire of facism; my wife thought it was a loud, ugly, stupid action flick. I'm right of course. :lol:
Then again...maybe not everybody is as smart as you. Perhaps everybody that points out the clumsy politics in Land should just stop voicing their opinion and agree with you instead?
Again, I don't see how a condescending attitude bolsters your argument here. Perhaps I missed the sentence from Dr. Fell dismissing all opinions other than his own and proclaiming his intellectual superiority over all. I thought Land' was an excellent critique of the war on "terror" as well as an attack on the neo-con' stance on economics and class. Some may agree with the politics, others may not- though I am sympathetic to Day's anti-war statement I still find the film's unveiling of its theme as cloying and obvious.
What exactly seperates anti-Land mindless drivel from pro-Land mindless drivel?
Indeed.... I may have to use that on my sig': What exactly seperates anti-___ mindless drivel from pro-____ mindless drivel?:)

[Book]

I think everyone was expecting to much from this movie. It wasnt ment to be a oscar winner. When the original NOTLD came out back in the 1960s it was a b-type movie geared twoards a saturday night drive in crowd who was more concerned about making out, than watching the movie. I 1st saw DOTD 78 at the drive in when it first came out, wasnt making out sad to say, but was passing a joint around. LOTD is a b-type movie, same as all those 50s, and 60s monster movies, they are not known for thier great acting, but fun at midnight. of course some people who think they have a superior air about themselfs, and feel the need to call everything crap, or talk down to people are for the most part were the kids in high school who got beating up for thier lunch money, giving wedgies in the hallways, and allways picked last for sports, and think this is thier way of getting some payback. Now thats the real disgrace.

Well old guy, things have changed since you were smoking pot back in the 60s. I'm not comparing Dawn, Night, Day or whatever to this movie, for the most part. They were excellent films on their own and Night of the Dead was actually added to the Library of Congress top 50 movies of all time (so much for it being a poorly acted b film). Many film students and critics also hail Dawn for its story, acting, ect on a shoe string budget.
So you missed the bus on the general reaction to the first two...now lets check out how you fare on the lawn chair psycho babble. Wow. Project much? I just can't see you as the king of the bullies at your school. But if you feel that people who dislike a movie and use big ol' words are talking down to you personally, I guess I can see you lashing out at anyone that makes you feel inferior.
Oh, and if you think I am talking down to you at all in this post...yes. I am.

[Book]

:)
I'm certain Dr. Fell can speak for himself but I didn't read his post as an argument that Land's theme was subtle; I interpreted it as stating that all of Romero's films are heavy handed allegories, and Land' was no more nor less than its predecessors. I've always felt Day' was the most ham fisted and clumsily presented Romero film; Day' wears its anti-war metaphor on its sleeve with all the subtlety of the Phelps clan at a West Hollywood club. It's loud and plotless and lacks any depth of character and betrays its weak cast through every bellowed line. Even though I think it's the least effective of Romero's Dead films, I also love it. Some may find Night' was the most blatant in its theme(s)despite Romero's insistence that the anti-Vientnam war and/or race relation themes weren't intentional. I thought Starship Troopers was a wickedly subversive satire of facism; my wife thought it was a loud, ugly, stupid action flick. I'm right of course. :lol:

Again, I don't see how a condescending attitude bolsters your argument here. Perhaps I missed the sentence from Dr. Fell dismissing all opinions other than his own and proclaiming his intellectual superiority over all. I thought Land' was an excellent critique of the war on "terror" as well as an attack on the neo-con' stance on economics and class. Some may agree with the politics, others may not- though I am sympathetic to Day's anti-war statement I still find the film's unveiling of its theme as cloying and obvious.

Indeed.... I may have to use that on my sig': What exactly seperates anti-___ mindless drivel from pro-____ mindless drivel?:)


I like him because he is an Athiest and he likes Preacher. That's all.

[Book]

http://www.upcominghorrormovies.com/movies/hostel.jpg
QUENTIN TARANTINO presents, Hostel.
Nope, don't see any big names attached to that:lol:
Sorry sorry, but it had to be said.
Although He was not an actor, but you know what I mean.

Believe it or not, I haven't seen Hostel yet! I know I know...i'm a bad fan.

[Book]

:) None taken. I wish I was 21 again!

Honestly, I was hoping to see some clothing get ripped off first but I openly admit I'm sexist slime. :drinking:

But you are a cute sexist slime!

[jackskellington]

I'll be the first to admit that I was a pot smoking punk/metalhead in high school with a very small select group of friends. We didn't get 'bullied', so to speak, but there was an obvious line in the sand between us and the 'in' crowd. I though Land sucked and I'm pretty certain that most of them would as well. It's got nothing to do with 'revenge' on anyone. By the way, if anyone wants to visit those who were the 'in' crowd in high school, you can go visit any textile mill or tire store back in the same old drab town they thought they ruled back in school and never got away from. I, meanwhile, have traveled the world more than a couple of times and now have a beautiful house and an exciting job 3 minutes from the beach. Karmas a motherf***er!!:lol:

[R-Complex]

I like him because he is an Athiest and he likes Preacher. That's all.
That's all? Well, it's a start...... ;-)

[Book]

I'll be the first to admit that I was a pot smoking punk/metalhead in high school with a very small select group of friends. We didn't get 'bullied', so to speak, but there was an obvious line in the sand between us and the 'in' crowd. I though Land sucked and I'm pretty certain that most of them would as well. It's got nothing to do with 'revenge' on anyone. By the way, if anyone wants to visit those who were the 'in' crowd in high school, you can go visit any textile mill or tire store back in the same old drab town they thought they ruled back in school and never got away from. I, meanwhile, have traveled the world more than a couple of times and now have a beautiful house and an exciting job 3 minutes from the beach. Karmas a motherf***er!!:lol:

And I know where he lives. It is a beautiful area. Right on Jack!

[Book]

That's all? Well, it's a start...... ;-)

And what else do you need?

[R-Complex]

And what else do you need?
I was hoping for eternal adulation (if only 'cause I love that word) and perhaps some mindless reverance. It's a work in progress...

[HOO-HAA]

God, I'm bored of this thread now... Too many words. :-(

Could someone pick a fight again, please? :lol:

[9th Lv. Paladin]

Or we could call the site "All Things That Everyone Should Like Because It Has A Zombie In It". Welcome to adulthood, where people usually dislike shitty movies.

Well old guy, things have changed since you were smoking pot back in the 60s.
So exactly how old do you have to be for your point to be valid?

[The Blind Dead]

Again, I don't see how a condescending attitude bolsters your argument here.

It doesn't. It's just an extra added bonus like a temporary tattoo in a Cracker Jack box. ;)


Indeed.... I may have to use that on my sig': What exactly seperates anti-___ mindless drivel from pro-____ mindless drivel?:)

Feel free to. I honestly feel some, in this thread, believe their pro-Land yammer is far more "valid" than the anti-Land yammer but it really just comes down to opinion. Some appear to be having a hard time accepting that.

[The Blind Dead]

lets check out how you fare on the lawn chair psycho babble. Wow. Project much? I just can't see you as the king of the bullies at your school. But if you feel that people who dislike a movie and use big ol' words are talking down to you personally, I guess I can see you lashing out at anyone that makes you feel inferior.
Oh, and if you think I am talking down to you at all in this post...yes. I am.
I was going to address this myself but figured I'm already the "bad guy" at this point so I'd ignore it.

:)

But you are a cute sexist slime!
Now if every woman I bumped into at a club said that I might actually get lucky. *sigh*

[The Blind Dead]

So exactly how old do you have to be for your point to be valid?
There seems to be all sorts of invalidation going on in this thread, why not add age to the list? :)

[UNDEAD FRED]

Well old guy, things have changed since you were smoking pot back in the 60s. I'm not comparing Dawn, Night, Day or whatever to this movie, for the most part. They were excellent films on their own and Night of the Dead was actually added to the Library of Congress top 50 movies of all time (so much for it being a poorly acted b film). Many film students and critics also hail Dawn for its story, acting, ect on a shoe string budget.
So you missed the bus on the general reaction to the first two...now lets check out how you fare on the lawn chair psycho babble. Wow. Project much? I just can't see you as the king of the bullies at your school. But if you feel that people who dislike a movie and use big ol' words are talking down to you personally, I guess I can see you lashing out at anyone that makes you feel inferior.
Oh, and if you think I am talking down to you at all in this post...yes. I am.
I was born after the 60s so if you feel the need to call someone old I suggest you look in the mirror. As far as being a bully , eeeee wrong agian , on your assumptions, You seem to be a college educated person, got that ever so holy degree in you purse that your carry around to remind yourself how better you are than everyone, I bet you even read it when you sit in your lawn chair analysing the commoners like a whinny little rich girl, look a me daddy Im somebody I just got my $100 hair cut, and dye job, now Im a punker, until its un cool in your crowd that you hang with. I been reading all your post whoring on this thread. put down that twinkie, and diet coke. get off the internet, go out and have some fun, talking down to me , shit, talk down to some one face to face, not hiding behind a key board, now thats an inferiority complex. are you sure your not some 13 year old english chap, playing grown up, mummy might get angry if she found out, have fun in your lawn chair, Im going grab my board go down to the beach and catch a few waves. I never bullied anyone in my life, and I never talk down to people, didnt finish high school, work in the building trades, make enouf money, when I want to, I just take off , travel and have fun in the sun in hawaii till I get bored. you need to lighting up.

[The Blind Dead]

I was born after the 60s so if you feel the need to call someone old I suggest you look in the mirror. As far as being a bully , eeeee wrong agian , on your assumptions, You seem to be a college educated person, got that ever so holy degree in you purse that your carry around to remind yourself how better you are than everyone, I bet you even read it when you sit in your lawn chair analysing the commoners like a whinny little rich girl, look a me daddy Im somebody I just got my $100 hair cut, and dye job, now Im a punker, until its un cool in your crowd that you hang with. I been reading all your post whoring on this thread. put down that twinkie, and diet coke. get off the internet, go out and have some fun, talking down to me , shit, talk down to some one face to face, not hiding behind a key board, now thats an inferiority complex. are you sure your not some 13 year old english chap, playing grown up, mummy might get angry if she found out, have fun in your lawn chair, Im going grab my board go down to the beach and catch a few waves. I never bullied anyone in my life, and I never talk down to people, didnt finish high school, work in the building trades, make enouf money, when I want to, I just take off , travel and have fun in the sun in hawaii till I get bored. you need to lighting up.
What the HELL does a college degree, hair cuts, twinkies and you bragging about your ability to go on vacations have to do with THIS thread and the current topic of Land of the Dead?

I'm sure this whole thing sounded great when you were pissed and typing but it's incredibly childish. How about sticking somewhat to the topic?

[Francesco Dellamorte]

This is all pretty ridiculous. We have the people over here that don't like the movie and the people over there that do like the movie. Then we have the people on the fence about the movie. Why do we have to turn a thread into Rumblefish? Everyone is entitled to their opinion and people should in the least respect it regardless of the statements made...good or bad. No one is going to sway the other to look at the film in a new light no matter how hard they try.

I could sit here and type up a thorough analogy of the all of the socio-political commentary in 'Land' but ultimately some kid is going to come and say something juvenile like 'gee, your a bonerhead, land blew nuts!'. Taste is subjective and it's really a moot point which isn't worth arguing over. It's a damn zombie movie, do we really need to degrade each other over something that we all share a common likeness for?

Now...I thought 'Land' was entertaining which is what it was created to do. As I have said before, I don't think that it was the self-procalimed masterpiece it was touted as but it hit it's mark, for me anyways. I think that being out of the game for 20 years, peoples expectations grew so far out of control that no matter what George put on the screen it wouldn't be enough to satiate everyone. During that down time we were exhausting our VHS and DVD copies of George's classics and continually feeding our now overwhelming expectations. If you don't know, George thinks Hollywood is full of assholes, which it is for the most part. He made his film how he wanted to and with an enormous amount of pressure and expectations. He was the man that pretty much pioneered this genre, it's his to do with what he pleases and he didn't want to keep rehashing the same old concept over and over again. I enjoyed 'Land' because the film had balls and dared to do something different. It maintained it's classic 'George' and I am happy he made the film.

-FD

[UNDEAD FRED]

What the HELL does a college degree, hair cuts, twinkies and you bragging about your ability to go on vacations have to do with THIS thread and the current topic of Land of the Dead?

I'm sure this whole thing sounded great when you were pissed and typing but it's incredibly childish. How about sticking somewhat to the topic?
I wasnt bragging about shit, and I live there off, and on,thru the year. But now it sounds like you pissed while typing, on the topic of Land of the dead , I liked the movie, I didnt love it, nor do I feel that people should bring thier chat room insults to this topic if you dont agree and think that LOTD was crap. durning the whole movie I waiting for someone to put a bullet in big daddys head to stop his damn roaring . You can say that hes the jar jar binks of romero movies, he didnt even take a bite out of someone, now what kind of zombie was that. that was 1 thing that brought the movie down a notch. Romero needs to hire some military consultants on his next movie, Being x- military, and a war vet. firing at every zed on full automatic, your ammo supply wont last long. a 30 round magazine burns up pretty quick. how much ammo can you lug around in your ammo pouches, or on you, and still be able to fire, and manuver to keep away from a horde of zombie. 1 shot , 1 zombie. A M-16 rifle can be very accurate if you know how to use it. My main bitch, I guess it comes from being in the military before, I pick apart zombie fighting tactics to much. How they let the zeds come in thru the back door, or where was the fiddlers green so called soldiers when fiddlers green was assualted, two old security gaurds. or cholo wanting 5 mil, wheres he going to spend it, What was the currency Kauffman bucks, how did all the people living there make money to pay the rent. You know what the movie did kinda suck, all these things ,and more as the movie went on. Made it to unbelivable. thats why some people didnt like it, but calling it crap, or using educated words to think that your putting people down is un called for, but then I be the 1st to admit it, I can be an insulting asshole myself sometimes, but a lot of times I feel bad about it later, and i'll apologize later if Im wrong.

[The Blind Dead]

I wasnt bragging about shit, and I live there off, and on,thru the year. But now it sounds like you pissed while typing, on the topic of Land of the dead , I liked the movie, I didnt love it, nor do I feel that people should bring thier chat room insults to this topic if you dont agree and think that LOTD was crap. durning the whole movie I waiting for someone to put a bullet in big daddys head to stop his damn roaring . You can say that hes the jar jar binks of romero movies, he didnt even take a bite out of someone, now what kind of zombie was that. that was 1 thing that brought the movie down a notch. Romero needs to hire some military consultants on his next movie, Being x- military, and a war vet. firing at every zed on full automatic, your ammo supply wont last long. a 30 round magazine burns up pretty quick. how much ammo can you lug around in your ammo pouches, or on you, and still be able to fire, and manuver to keep away from a horde of zombie. 1 shot , 1 zombie. A M-16 rifle can be very accurate if you know how to use it. My main bitch, I guess it comes from being in the military before, I pick apart zombie fighting tactics to much. How they let the zeds come in thru the back door, or where was the fiddlers green so called soldiers when fiddlers green was assualted, two old security gaurds. or cholo wanting 5 mil, wheres he going to spend it, What was the currency Kauffman bucks, how did all the people living there make money to pay the rent. You know what the movie did kinda suck, all these things ,and more as the movie went on. Made it to unbelivable. thats why some people didnt like it, but calling it crap, or using educated words to think that your putting people down is un called for, but then I be the 1st to admit it, I can be an insulting asshole myself sometimes, but a lot of times I feel bad about it later, and i'll apologize later if Im wrong.
I'm not in the slightest bit pissed at anything you've typed, I simply asked what the hell your rambling insults to Book had to do with Land.

You keep going on and on about people's education and long words so it's obvious that's your sore point. I'm going to be a real super giant dick and drop one of those big edumacated words that bother you so badly...ready?

PARAGRAPHS.

:clap:

Don't take it too seriously man.

Honestly, Land was entertaining but it was far from great. After 20 years did we expect more from George? Probably...and why NOT? After 20 years this man couldn't drop something better? He's yammered for so long about how bad Hollywood and the people are that you'd think he couldn't given us something a bit less...well...Hollywood. Something dark and transgressive. In my opinion this film was a bit too fluffy.

Go figure.

Normally I'm asking for MORE story and less transgression.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Blind D. excuse my computer skills, I have only been playing with computers for less than 3 months, still learning. LOTD I like the beginning , but it went down hill once they left the raided town. It got a little to political, and unbelievable, Now what is fluffy, explain this to a un-edumacated persons, and nothing bothers me, and I have no sore points when it comes to movies, and Im sure Book is a good person, has a good heart, but she comes off as a little snobish some times.

[Dawn78]

Land of the dead is a disgrace.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I'll be the first to admit that I was a pot smoking punk/metalhead in high school with a very small select group of friends. We didn't get 'bullied', so to speak, but there was an obvious line in the sand between us and the 'in' crowd. I though Land sucked and I'm pretty certain that most of them would as well. It's got nothing to do with 'revenge' on anyone. By the way, if anyone wants to visit those who were the 'in' crowd in high school, you can go visit any textile mill or tire store back in the same old drab town they thought they ruled back in school and never got away from. I, meanwhile, have traveled the world more than a couple of times and now have a beautiful house and an exciting job 3 minutes from the beach. Karmas a motherf***er!!:lol:
I was far from the 'in' crowd, nor was I a bully, and what ever old drab town they are working in, and whatever job they have, thier no better, or worse the you, are me. thats not Karma, thats working, and living life, Bad Karma falls upon bad people. Karma is not material wealth, and pocessions, thats called working hard for the things you got. Land wasnt very good, but it wasnt crap. Romero should of keep the movie inside the town that was being raided , at least that part is decent, if people didnt like LOTD, just throw away the dvd, and move on.:loon:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Land of the dead is a disgrace.
How is it a disgrace? And I somewhat agree with you on the zombie series of movies, especially the shark scene. Im just wondering why LOTD is a disgrace, and a disgrace to what in film making?:evil:

[Book]

So exactly how old do you have to be for your point to be valid?

I didn't see anything about age and validity. Goodness Gracious Great Balls Of Fire! You wouldn't be making the foolish attempt of putting words in my mouth were you? If so, then all our post, and not just on this tread are free game.

[Book]

I was far from the 'in' crowd, nor was I a bully, and what ever old drab town they are working in, and whatever job they have, thier no better, or worse the you, are me. thats not Karma, thats working, and living life, Bad Karma falls upon bad people. Karma is not material wealth, and pocessions, thats called working hard for the things you got. Land wasnt very good, but it wasnt crap. Romero should of keep the movie inside the town that was being raided , at least that part is decent, if people didnt like LOTD, just throw away the dvd, and move on.:loon:


Off topic, but I love how people use Karma and whatever to keep from admiting that sometimes bad shit happens to good people and good things happen to bad people. From the little study I have done on the topic, Karma doesn't seem to give two shits about anyone's egos. And look at it this way, if someone has hurt your feeling or treated you badly, according to Karma...you deserve it.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Off topic, but I love how people use Karma and whatever to keep from admiting that sometimes bad shit happens to good people and good things happen to bad people. From the little study I have done on the topic, Karma doesn't seem to give two shits about anyone's egos. And look at it this way, if someone has hurt your feeling or treated you badly, according to Karma...you deserve it.
I come from Hawaii, Thats the way I was taught in my culture. The other thing I was taught was to apologize if you offend some one if your wrong, so sorry, But you sound funny sista, but I sound funny to.

[Book]

I come from Michigan. In my culture we set fire to the weak to keep warm in the winter.

That has nothing to with anything, I just thought I would mention it.

[jackskellington]

Being x- military, and a war vet. firing at every zed on full automatic, your ammo supply wont last long.

My main bitch, I guess it comes from being in the military before, I pick apart zombie fighting tactics to much.

I did 6 years in the Navy and am also a war vet, but I don't pick apart the flaws in Top Gun and I'm not planning on disputing anything in the Poseidon movie. I don't watch COPS or SWAT and pick apart things they do either. That's a pretty pathetic thing to do if you ask me. When did the military start training in "zombie fighting tactics" anyway?:lol:

I loved the film, a lot of people are to uptight in life, picking apart little bullshit just try to enjoy it.

Then...

My main bitch, I guess it comes from being in the military before, I pick apart zombie fighting tactics to much

Contradict much?

You know what the movie did kinda suck, all these things ,and more as the movie went on. Made it to unbelivable.

Sounds like you might be coming over to the dark side!:lol:

[Crombie]

You know I find it interesting all the arguing that goes on about the subtext of the movie. I found it enjoyable, the acting was equal to or on par with other Romero zombie movies, but it was a bit short. I mean if you step off your subtext soapboxes for a bit, and just watch it as a movie then I think most any zombie fan will find something to enjoy here.

If you compare it to DayotD you will find that there are more zombies, more gore, and hotter chicks. I mean what's to hate? That Romero did not *insert favorite social commentary here* as a subtext in this movie? Anyways that's my point of view from the perspective of just being your average joe watching a flick. I enjoyed it for enjoyment's sake, and could care less if it is projecting a message or not.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I come from Michigan. In my culture we set fire to the weak to keep warm in the winter.

That has nothing to with anything, I just thought I would mention it.
so you want to throw down the gloves, heh? you coundt roast a marshmellow

[HOO-HAA]

I did 6 years in the Navy and am also a war vet, but I don't pick apart the flaws in Top Gun and I'm not planning on disputing anything in the Poseidon movie.

HAHA! Brilliant... :lol:

ROUUUUUND 3!

[UNDEAD FRED]

jackskellington- whats really pathetic is every time you use the restroom you look at that thing in your hand, now thats the dark side, since when is a mop a M-16, go plant some evidence. If you want to trade little barbs all day, thats no big deal, but remember were talking about zombie movies, if you want to get personel, lets not waste space on this thread, thats for a chat room. so go hide behind the keyboard there . since when does talking about zombie movies, has to do with reality. I do not have a closed mind, If you dont like LOTD throw your copy of it in the trash can, If you want to keep insulting me to make yourself feel better, you got issues. zombie movies, not your bigioted views of people.

[Book]

so you want to throw down the gloves, heh? you coundt roast a marshmellow

Maye I COULD'T roast a marshmellow, but I can keep from sounding like an undereducated hippy with half baked theories.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Maye I COULD'T roast a marshmellow, but I can keep from sounding like an undereducated hippy with half baked theories.
Im not an uneducated hippy, and why do you have bigoted views on hippies, are you a yuppie with hollier than thou ideals. Im a zombie beach bum surfer if you want to throw a left hook , take your best shot kook.

[Pain]

Last warning. Keep this to the movie and not personal attacks or it's getting closed.

[UNDEAD FRED]

:loon: Back to zombies. I didnt see LOTD in theaters, The unrated directors cut allways makes a movie better. Ive seen DOTD 04 in theaters, the directors cut dvd made that movie a lot better. was the theater version that bad that people would actually boo a movie? Ive been to a lot of movies, I never seen a movie get booed, I went to the first Star wars movie in the 70s as a kid, people got so into it that they booed Darth Vader, But some people cheered when they blew up the death star. Big Daddy the Jar Jar Binks of zombie flixs.

[Dr. Russell Fell]

So you're saying Land's sub-text was as subtle as Night or Dawn? :roll: Dawn's statement on consumerism was nowhere near as blatant as flaming CG money, Hopper's blatant portrayal of heartless Republican greed or the super weak, extremely out-of-character "They're just looking for a place" comment.

Nice how you didn't mention Day.

That's the thing, the subtext is never subtle. He practically beats you over the head with it in Dawn and in Day. The fact that this continues in Land shouldn't be a surprise. You people are just bitching because you were all expecting the second coming of Christ, and instead got another not-very-subtle-at-all film with zombies that are now smarter. Get over it.

Then again...maybe not everybody is as smart as you. Perhaps everybody that points out the clumsy politics in Land should just stop voicing their opinion and agree with you instead?

Your convenient logic is baffling. Also, no matter how many times you attempt to bring it up, you are not even remotely witty. Just because I brought up a good point against a poor argument doesn't mean you have to fall to such low levels of "wit" and "sarcasm" because of your waning superiority complex.

[The Blind Dead]

I mean if you step off your subtext soapboxes for a bit, and just watch it as a movie then I think most any zombie fan will find something to enjoy here.

Are you reading the same thread I am? There's far more being discussed than just sub-text. That's just one of the issues being discussed.

By the way...was it hard to climb all the way up on your "just be like me when you watch a movie" soapbox while typing this? :scare:


I mean what's to hate? That Romero did not *insert favorite social commentary here* as a subtext in this movie? Anyways that's my point of view from the perspective of just being your average joe watching a flick. I enjoyed it for enjoyment's sake, and could care less if it is projecting a message or not.

Nobody is bitching about the LACK of commentary. Many people are taking issue with the fact that it's so obvious it feels Michael Moore had a hand in writing some of it.

I watch horror as an "average joe" myself, hence JOE HORROR, but when you've got a legendary director known for his socio-political commentary...THAT is going to be a topic of discussion regarding his new film. That's not so hard to understand is it?

[The Blind Dead]

Nice how you didn't mention Day.

That's the thing, the subtext is never subtle. He practically beats you over the head with it in Dawn and in Day. The fact that this continues in Land shouldn't be a surprise. You people are just bitching because you were all expecting the second coming of Christ, and instead got another not-very-subtle-at-all film with zombies that are now smarter. Get over it.

I didn't mention day because it was less typing. Get over that.

Nobody is "bitching" because we expected a "second coming of Christ". Please, enlighten us though...tell us how we SHOULD feel.


Your convenient logic is baffling.

...and yet you still address it. :dunce:


Also, no matter how many times you attempt to bring it up, you are not even remotely witty. Just because I brought up a good point against a poor argument doesn't mean you have to fall to such low levels of "wit" and "sarcasm" because of your waning superiority complex.

When exactly did I "bring up" that I was witty? lol Waning superiority complex? lol This is a forum...you are a faceless name and this is typing...nothing more. If I want to assert my "waning superiority complex" I'll go to a bar, get drunk and pick on the smallest guy with the hottest woman.

Save your e-anaylzing for somebody that's impressed... or at the very least mad at me as well. That way you have somebody to PM. :lol:

Now then...back to Land and people that didn't like the film. Why are some of you having such a hard time allowing people in this thread their OPINIONS?

[Dr. Russell Fell]

I didn't mention day because it was less typing. Get over that.

Nobody is "bitching" because we expected a "second coming of Christ". Please, enlighten us though...tell us how we SHOULD feel.


...and yet you still address it. :dunce:


When exactly did I "bring up" that I was witty? lol Waning superiority complex? lol This is a forum...you are a faceless name and this is typing...nothing more. If I want to assert my "waning superiority complex" I'll go to a bar, get drunk and pick on the smallest guy with the hottest woman.

Save your e-anaylzing for somebody that's impressed... or at the very least mad at me as well. That way you have somebody to PM. :lol:

Now then...back to Land and people that didn't like the film. Why are some of you having such a hard time allowing people in this thread their OPINIONS?

You're very good at doing two things, Mr. Blind Dead.

1. Dodging things.
2. Passive aggressive wit. I use the term "wit" very, very loosely, though. Very loosely.

I don't really understand. You want people to have there own opinions, yet the second someone comes up with one that goes against your claims, suddenly it's ridiculous and you begin your pointless, to quote R-Complex, condescending attitude which brings nothing to your "argument" and simply adds nothing to a reply that really had little or nothing to say in the first place.

...and yet you still address it. :dunce:

:doh:

What the hell does that even mean?

[Dr. Russell Fell]

I come from Michigan. In my culture we set fire to the weak to keep warm in the winter.

That has nothing to with anything, I just thought I would mention it.

Then why is Michael Moore still alive and well?

[Pain]

Are we all finished now? Good:x