The Zach Snyder Dawn of the Dead 2004 and Dawn of the Dead 2

[DayOfTheBUB]

Say it aint so Dawn of the dead 2.. why are you doing this to all the true Dawn OF the Dead geroge romero fans.. Why do you have to make the 1979 cult classic a teenie bop horror movie.. It is pretty sad when you here people say have you seen the new Dawn of The Dead movie.. and im like what about the oiginal. You cant take credit for George Romeros masterpiece.. It just makes me sick.. Zach Snyder if you were actually a Horror fan you wouldnt try to remake the greatest horror movie of all time twice......

I wish i was a Zombie so i could chomp on that joke of a director....
This is war..

George Romero is my god...
Land of the deadite...

:scare: im out........

[Pain]

I think you'll find a lot of fans of the remake here. DotD 78 was and still is a masterpiece, but the remake was still a damn good movie.

[SGT. DEATH]

Well I loved it and cant wait for the second and may be third part but to everys ones entitled to their own view. :drinking:

[Zombie-Jim]

Dawn 04 is a ok zombie movie, as a matter of fact, I loved it.
And I've been a Romero fan since I ever heard of the guy and saw his movies. I think Snyder i s a good guy.

Btw, you shouldn't see dawn04 as a remake of dawn78, just see it as a whole different movie and it's a great one then.

[SanElizando]

I don't think Snyder took anything away from the original... it's still there. But what you've got to remember is that films are made forthe audience at the time. Doesn't stop them being great movies later on, but how much of today's cinema going audience would sit through the pacing of the original (don't read me wrong, I think the original is pure genius but I also really like the remake). Can't we just like them for what they are - two very different, seperate movies?

[corgi37]

I agree with all the positive comments.

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

I am a romero fan, but I am a zombie fan first. Oh and I like the remake.

[Zombie Survivor]

I thought that the remake was very well done. it captured also a bit of the feeling of a world wide disaster. Just a great zombie flick. But not quite as good as Shaun of the Dead. And I'm looking forward to see DotD 2.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I don't think Snyder took anything away from the original... it's still there. But what you've got to remember is that films are made forthe audience at the time. Doesn't stop them being great movies later on, but how much of today's cinema going audience would sit through the pacing of the original (don't read me wrong, I think the original is pure genius but I also really like the remake). Can't we just like them for what they are - two very different, seperate movies?
I totally agree with SE on this one. :clap:

If the producers of the film decided to use the name "Dawn," then so what? If that's what had to be done to help turn a profit?.... then so be it. If it wasn't for the success of Dawn 04', I doubt George would've been given he opportunity go ahead with his LOTD project. ;-) :2cents:

[DocZomby]

I also enjoyed the remake very much.

There has never been a spot where Snyder "took credit" for the original. He'd be the first to say that his film could never compare with Romero's. The original was a masterpiece and the remake was just plain old fun. Not much social commentary but good character work (the uncut version more than the theatrical).

So heres to a healthy sequal... :drinking:

and may we never see another House of the Dead.

[R-Complex]

It may not be the best idea to post my first rantings in an older thread, and I apologize that my initial post is something of a rant, but my ambivalence and frustration towards Dawn ‘04 and the praise it’s received from zombie connoisseurs compels me. Like most horror fanatics, I was opposed to a remake of this classic; what could possibly justify a facelift, a reinterpretation of a world that has already been examined to perfection particularly when the potter’s field is fertile ground for countless apocalyptic zombie tales? Invent your own story! Do something new with the archetype, don’t just concoct a diluted mimic of the original! The general consensus was any zombie flick is better than no zombie flicks-right? I disagree; give me quality over quantity any day, otherwise the genre will gorge itself on witless, hackneyed, repetitive cinematic failures (anyone see Elektra? Punisher? Constantine? Comic book franchises are in danger of choking on their own excesses..... FF- I’m looking at you!)
I correctly assumed the remake would insert a faster pace (both literally in zombie locomotion and commercial/advertising editing techniques. Don’t get me wrong, the speed of a zombie has no relevance to whether I like the story or not. I simply require character development and a coherent engaging plot. Shamblers or sprinters are welcome if the basic storytelling requirements are met!), little character development (I really couldn’t give a damn over who lived or died- though I was concerned that the dog might get hurt by flailing zombie limbs or a stumbling cadaver. But even the zombies were mundane- remember the original’s Hare Krisna zombie? How ‘bout the Nurse, the Escalator Stumbler, the Rifle Wielding Ghoul? Hell, the Obese Fountain Corpse was more memorable than any of the zombies in the ‘04 retelling!), a rockin’ soundtrack that would compel the typical 14 year old white male to slap down their hard earned sheckels for the cd (dude, that was a ****in’ Disturbed song!- with all apologies to the brilliant use of the Cash tune in the beginning.... but more on that later), and a complete disregard for any socio-political observation(s). Without this last bit zombies become nothing more than another tired horror cliche. Flesh eating? Hell, werewolves do that just as well. Reanimated corpses? Did someone say vampire; is that a Mummy shuffling dustily down the hall? Damn-near-invulnerable-save-for-one-weakness? Headshots may be to zombies what kryptonite is to an Earth dwelling Kryptonian, but vampires are also susceptible to pointy things in their hearts, werewolves to silver projectiles, and reanimated pharaohs to dry rot. Remove the metaphors, exclude the sociological component of the walking dead and there’s little meat left to gnaw on.
Dawn ‘04 had plenty of opportunities to wax philosophical but avoided any meaningful observations only to throw in painfully hip music video montages of unrest (sans the music, stylistically lifted from the far superior 28 Days Later). Though the opening 15 minutes or so were truly remarkable and had me hooked with rapt attention in its depiction of society swiftly crumbling as the floodgates of chaos opened, it had little else to back up the promising start. There was truly such potential here! What with the news footage of violence accompanied by Cash’s song I saw an ironic dark mouth smirking at the petty institutions of government and authority as they fell like paper-mache constructs. But why insert the image of Moslems praying in a mosque amongst the carnage? Was this a scathing critique of religious fundamentalism? An example of Western paranoia and racism towards foreign belief systems? Could zombies be a clever foil for dogmatic fervor? Alas, none of this was followed up with anything substantial; I fear the shot was inserted simply because it’s an iconic image that causes some to be uncomfortable in today’s clime. Why not include newsreel footage of conflicts between Hindus and Buddhists, Christian evangelicals spreading their hate speech on public airwaves (to be fair, the director’s cut included an eye opening fundy diatribe by Foree), or Palestinian/Israeli clashes? A potentially scathing observation withered to pop irrelevance in the context the director placed the scene.
I point to a similar example where the crew is exterminating celebrity zombie look-alikes. Besides the opening, this is the other memorable scene (and my favorite as well) injected with just the right dose of macabre humor. Here was prime material to say something relevant; the protagonists are able to discern which zombie celebrity has been picked for a skull crackin’ based solely on a well known name. Our society is inundated with pop cultural noise; it has replaced real newsworthy events and knowledge with celebrity worship and obsession over the latest dancin’, singin’, no talent meglomaniacs latest attention garnering stunt. How many citizens can name one of their local congress people? A whopping percentage of Americans still ignorantly cling to the myth that Iraq had WMDs despite all the evidence to the contrary! Who knows the transition of power, after vice-president, if the president is unable to continue their duty? Most Americans can identify Brittany Spears, can name at least one ex husband of Jennifer Lopez’s, yet can’t name the Justices seated on the Supreme Court or all of the Constitutional Amendments. Here was a flippant scene that could’ve skewered our lust for celebrity hunting based solely on the fact that they’re famous. A strong scene was weakened by dilapidating into more hollow dark humor (much appreciated dark humor but empty nonetheless).
The characters were hazily defined, well worn stereotypes: the big black brooding cop with a bad attitude; the female and male lead endowed with an almost saintly virtue (you just know one of them is gonna sacrifice themselves ‘cause they’re so damned blond and, well darnit, so durned nice! Aw shucks!); the wisecracking asshole-gotta have one of them!; and a sociopath who threatens to tear the cohesion of the group from within (and also one of films fastest personality changes ever: CJ’s transformation from trigger happy amoral killer suddenly becomes one of participation and comradery when the lazy screenwriter dictates the unjustified change).
And way too many horror movie cliches spattered all over the screen like a zombies cerebellum against a semi’s windshield: “I think I’ll investigate those odd chewing sounds coming from behind that closed door... No need to get the attention of the trained police officer armed with a shotgun who’s standing 15 or 20 feet away- I’ll just deal with this myself since I am wielding a broken mallet!”
Or
“That Andre and his cloistered Russian mate have been gone for awhile- I think I’ll pay a spontaneous visit to them despite Andre hiding her away the whole time we’ve been here. No need to be suspicious as to why we haven’t seen her in weeks or Andre’s insistence on keeping us from seeing how she’s doing! I have some extra stuff I think I’ll drop off unannounced just so I can have a ridiculous shoot out that would make Tarrentino cringe.” (why did she shoot the Russian zombie anyway? It’s not like she hadn’t seen a revivified corpse before and she was clearly shackled anyway. It was lazy plot construction inserted to clear out the overabundance of characters).
Or
The Mad Max/Escape from New York ending where they team up to construct a monster machine to bust outta this place! I assumed at least one of them was a certified welder who taught the others how to work. Maybe the crew from Pimp My Ride was lurking in the background. Whatever plot contrivances to move the story along were tossed in with no logic or reasonable explanation. And just why did they decide to escape? They reach the conclusion with ambiguous fears of “they’ll eventually get in” (Why!?!?!!! Up to that point there was no reason to suspect that the zombies would get in!). Now if the justification were more along the lines of looking for other survivors or medical help or such, that would make sense. But to run away based on a vague unease over the ghouls getting in was unconvincing).
But I digress....... Now Romero isn’t infallible. I would gladly accept another zombie movie as superior if it managed to knock the King off his throne. This isn’t a case of declaring Romero untouchable and how dare anyone even think of tainting his masterworks. For one, I think Shaun of the Dead is one of the best zombie films out there and even surpasses Day of the Dead (admittedly Romero’s lesser of the three) as a kick ass zombie flick- and then you add in the humor and Shaun’ becomes the best horror and comedy I’ve seen in ages! All this and Shaun’ also actually had something to say! It simply took zombie Armageddon to get a slacker Gen. Xer to motivate himself. Shaun’ skewers all walks of social complacency with unerring success. No small feat there. I also think Martin is probably Romero’s best, yet failures like Bruiser expose his mortal status. So I’m no Romero purist bitching about the sanctity of the Dead; in fact I look forward to the Crazies remake, the original being underrated IMHO but sorely in need of a make-over. I just dread seeing fellow zombie fans salivate over any morsel tossed their way like cinematic Pavlovian Bubs with no ability to discriminate the human flesh from the synthetic field rations! The genre is rich with inspiration and potential; let’s not applaud every endeavor just to encourage what little snatches of horror we can derive from the films/literature/comics/games/etc. So, thus ends my first rambling post. I apologize for the length, but not the content! Please, pull no punches!

[SGT. DEATH]

I think zack done a great job,not as good as GAR but he did show a mordern perspective on the situation.Its no the 70s and its time for new ideas so why hold back.I love both and look foreward to the sequals to both.Keep em coming. :drinking:In saying sequals I mean next films in line.[dawn 2 and land].

[R-Complex]

I truly hope Snyder deviates from the Romero franchise and focuses on an original story- I'm quite glad the studio turned down his request to remake Day'. I would love it if he made a sequel with new characters, a new location, and new threats as opposed to the "board up the dwelling and debate whether to escape" scenarios zombie films fall into so predictably. Why not explore some survivors adventures in an unusual setting? What happened in India, the U.K., Central America, Madagascar, or even Alaska when all hell broke loose? There's so much ground that can be covered I grit my teeth in frustration over the unimaginative parroting of previous films. I'll give Snyder another chance (hell, I did buy the damned dvd) but I also expect his direction to mature beyond emulating that which he is incapable of emulating well.

[SGT. DEATH]

I truly hope Snyder deviates from the Romero franchise and focuses on an original story- I'm quite glad the studio turned down his request to remake Day'. I would love it if he made a sequel with new characters, a new location, and new threats as opposed to the "board up the dwelling and debate whether to escape" scenarios zombie films fall into so predictably. Why not explore some survivors adventures in an unusual setting? What happened in India, the U.K., Central America, Madagascar, or even Alaska when all hell broke loose? There's so much ground that can be covered I grit my teeth in frustration over the unimaginative parroting of previous films. I'll give Snyder another chance (hell, I did buy the damned dvd) but I also expect his direction to mature beyond emulating that which he is incapable of emulating well.
I would like to see what happened to the military,air force,navey[ships at sea]special forces,police, hospitals,it endless where these movies could go I just wish they would. :drinking:

[R-Complex]

I would like to see what happened to the military,air force,navey[ships at sea]special forces,police, hospitals,it endless where these movies could go I just wish they would. :drinking:


Oh yeah! A Navy battleship would be cool! (reminds me of the upcoming video game Cold Fear). The possibilities are truly endless: I'd love to see a zombie flick take place in another time period! What about the Victorian era? The 1920s? Joe Lansdale's novella Dead in the West would make a great western/cowboy/zombie/horror film. Why not explore what a zombie plague would do in an African country, or amongst the native Innuit? What would be the official Catholic church's opinion on the outbreak? Would the pope grant "souls", and thereby personhood, to zombies? Would killing them be akin to abortion and therefore a sin in Catholic dogma? What religious factions would embrace the zombie uprising as validating their faith and which ones would not?The mind boggles at the different scenarios.

[SGT. DEATH]

Being a catholic my self I would grant them nothing but eternal death but also on you Idea of the wild west there is a movie coming out cant quite rember the name but it is in the threads ,Im pissed and wish I could be of more help.
:drinking:

[deadwench13]

The remake has some spectacular action sequences and CJ is great, but I would have been content w/o it. I think it did help boost GAR to be able to get LOTD financed, but that is actually a shame cuz it shows how shallow hollywood is.

[Detroit Dogg]

Ok....The new Dawn was awful compared to the old one. But it was still an ok movie. But the new dawn would have been seen as an fairly good movie if Snyder didnt place the franchise tag on it.
But still that god damn dog!!!! I take everything i said good about dawn 04 back! WORST MOVIE EVER!!!!! now if anybody needs me il be hunting for chips..... :shotg: :guns: :machgun2:

[Bad Zombie Night]

I take everything i said good about dawn 04 back! WORST MOVIE EVER!!!!!

Sticks and Stones, Sticks and Stones................ :drool: :? :loon: :mrgreen:

[deadwench13]

Ok....The new Dawn was awful compared to the old one. But it was still an ok movie. But the new dawn would have been seen as an fairly good movie if Snyder didnt place the franchise tag on it.
But still that god damn dog!!!! I take everything i said good about dawn 04 back! WORST MOVIE EVER!!!!! now if anybody needs me il be hunting for chips..... :shotg: :guns: :machgun2:


I don't know if we can even blame Snyder. GAR's long time producer Rubenstein held the rights to Dawn.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Whew.


R-Complex, I must say that I agree with the great majority of what you said. I don't know if you've visted this thread yet, but you should stop by the Problem with the Subgenre thread ( http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687 (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687) .) I recall enjoying Dawn '04 in the theater, in a "this is entertaining in a mindless sort of way"--but it wasn't long after that I could barely remember the movie. This, to me, doesn't scream "good movie." I'll watch it again soon and judge once more.

Oh, I also thought Dead in the West would make a nifty film if done well. It might need fleshed out for a feature length run, though.

As for blame being shoveled around for Dawn '04...I supposed you can blame the production companies responsible, or Universal for distributing it. But they're just doing what they do...making movies for profit...it's the name of the game. Or we can blame Rubenstein, but again, he's doing what he does. He's a producer, he had the rights, and he was well within his rights to sell them (Dawn going to Universal, and Day and Creepshow--if not more, I don't know--going to Taurus...eeek.) We can blame Snyder, but really...if anyone here was offered a stab at remaking Dawn, we would jump at it foaming at the mouth.

What can you do? I just look at it as something that happened and now I will go watch Romero's Dawn. I mean, no one throws a small fit about Argento's cut. This too was the result of a business deal, but somehow it's okay because...it's Argento? It happened along with Romero's (released before Romero's, actually)? But really, there are so many versions of Dawn out there...this is just another. I say what's done is done. Oh well, let's move on. :)

[zombiefreak]

Dawn 04 is a ok zombie movie, as a matter of fact, I loved it.
And I've been a Romero fan since I ever heard of the guy and saw his movies. I think Snyder i s a good guy.

Btw, you shouldn't see dawn04 as a remake of dawn78, just see it as a whole different movie and it's a great one then.


I totally agree with that, DAWN 78 is in a class all alone, by it's self and will
be forever.
DAWN 04 is " yawn....just another movie...yawn" and thats that.

LAND OF THE DEAD will make zombie fans forget DAWN 04........

[Lonesome Bones]

I'd like to congratulate the "The anti Zach Snyder Dawn of the Dead 2004 and Dawn of the Dead 2" (what a title!) thread for being one of the most incoherent things I've ever read on the internet. Thanks for translating and making sense of things R-Complex.

[R-Complex]

Whew.


R-Complex, I must say that I agree with the great majority of what you said. I don't know if you've visted this thread yet, but you should stop by the Problem with the Subgenre thread ( http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687 (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2687) .) I recall enjoying Dawn '04 in the theater, in a "this is entertaining in a mindless sort of way"--but it wasn't long after that I could barely remember the movie. This, to me, doesn't scream "good movie." I'll watch it again soon and judge once more.

Oh, I also thought Dead in the West would make a nifty film if done well. It might need fleshed out for a feature length run, though.

As for blame being shoveled around for Dawn '04...I supposed you can blame the production companies responsible, or Universal for distributing it. But they're just doing what they do...making movies for profit...it's the name of the game. Or we can blame Rubenstein, but again, he's doing what he does. He's a producer, he had the rights, and he was well within his rights to sell them (Dawn going to Universal, and Day and Creepshow--if not more, I don't know--going to Taurus...eeek.) We can blame Snyder, but really...if anyone here was offered a stab at remaking Dawn, we would jump at it foaming at the mouth.

What can you do? I just look at it as something that happened and now I will go watch Romero's Dawn. I mean, no one throws a small fit about Argento's cut. This too was the result of a business deal, but somehow it's okay because...it's Argento? It happened along with Romero's (released before Romero's, actually)? But really, there are so many versions of Dawn out there...this is just another. I say what's done is done. Oh well, let's move on. :)


Thanks Zombie-A-GoGo! I'll check out that thread.
I hope my tirade isn't interpreted as a complete dismissal of Snyder's film; I do watch the dvd occassionally if only to applaud the "semi meets zombie head" scenes (clever use of cg) and Polley's presence (there's just something about that women....). And I agree with your views on the whole profit motive and producer's roles in filmaking. Unfortunately, Romero has dropped the ball on many of his business dealings in the past (Night' still has me slapping my forehead in exasperation!) and it's unfair to cast Rubenstein as the villain here. It's a messy conjunction when a craft or art collides with capitalistic aspirations; often the results please few and anger many.
Move on indeed!
(BTW, way off topic here, but interesting essay on ID on your blog! A subject near and dear to me!)

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Thanks Zombie-A-GoGo! I'll check out that thread.
I hope my tirade isn't interpreted as a complete dismissal of Snyder's film; I do watch the dvd occassionally if only to applaud the "semi meets zombie head" scenes (clever use of cg) and Polley's presence (there's just something about that women....). And I agree with your views on the whole profit motive and producer's roles in filmaking. Unfortunately, Romero has dropped the ball on many of his business dealings in the past (Night' still has me slapping my forehead in exasperation!) and it's unfair to cast Rubenstein as the villain here. It's a messy conjunction when a craft or art collides with capitalistic aspirations; often the results please few and anger many.
Move on indeed!

Yeah, it really sounds like we're probably very close to being exactly on the same page. :)

(BTW, way off topic here, but interesting essay on ID on your blog! A subject near and dear to me!)

You know, I sometimes forget that link is in my signature...I didn't think anyone really ever clicked on it. Hehheh. When you said it's a subject close to your heart, for a split second, I thought maybe we might not be on the same team (or thereabouts), then I saw the Bad Religion quote. Yeah, same page. :)

[Lee]

i enjoyed dotd 04, but then i've been learning over the last couple of years to separate things. xmen and the 'xmen movie franchise' (whatever!), Nick Hornby novels and the movies made of them, the Bridget Jones books and the movies made out of them ( :puke: ) - the idea that someone is sacregliously making movies out of piers anthony's incarnations of immortality series *shakes head*, and Dawn of the Dead and Dawn of the Dead 04.

04 was a tops, mindless horror flick. I love the fast zombies (they're just MORE SCAREY OK?! :P ), i thought the entire thing was unoffensive and good fun. You just have to separate it from the original.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Nick Hornby novels and the movies made of them

Come now, High Fidelity was pretty good. :)

[Brody]

I am still amazed at the so called 'zombie' fans who are still bitching and moaning about the 'remake' of DOTD; we know it more of a tribute than an actual remake ofcourse. One thing the 'zombie' genre has been missing is FILMS. One of the least understood or unerrated genres in horror and now, the dead are everywhere. With Danny BOyles 28 Days Later, the new DOTD and the RE Films (but do the RE films suck!) and the pending Romero LOTD the genre is alive and well.

DOTD 04 was a fun action film and a welcome addition to the genre. FOr those of you still bitching about it? Get over it. What are the options? No zombie films, that's what.

House of the Dead sucked
The RE films suck

28 Days Later rocked
DOTD 04 rocked
SHUAN rocked
ROMERO's will surely rock

Quit complaining. It's not high art were talking aobut here; were talking about sub genre zombie films. When you say "Waaaa, the new ones are an insult...." and quit whining about Zach. Shaddup! They came to him on this film and he was just a music video director. They offered him a chance and I think he did a fine job.

The more dead films the better.

[SLAYER2005]

[QUOTE=DayOfTheBUB]Why do you have to make the 1979 cult classic a teenie bop horror movie.. It is pretty sad when you here people say have you seen the new Dawn of The Dead movie.. QUOTE]

man dotd04 is great. ill admit without the original there wouldnt be a new one but the old one was really cheesy and boring at times

[Outland]

I agree; I love the genre but the original DOTD is definatley cheesy at times and you can see why poeple don't like it; blue zombies, elevator music, cheesy effects, bad cinematography.

But hey; I still dig it.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Some people take the genre and this particular subgenre seriously, and there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has a certain interest or hobby that is important to them. For most people here, it happens to be zombie films, so sure, they have every right to express excitement or even distaste over any entry into the genre. For those who love these movies and love film in general, it's not as simple as what you guys are implying. I'm glad people get up in arms about things and excited, etc. If we didn't do that, what would this place be? It'd be pretty boring, that's what. :)

[R-Complex]

FOr those of you still bitching about it? Get over it. What are the options? No zombie films, that's what.
I think this is something of a strawman; there are far more than just the two options available. Why not champion fewer zombie films but support those rare few that are created by those dedicated and passionate about the subject rather than monetarily embracing every zombie themed film that spills out of the Hollywood cesspit? I don't think zombies would shrivel up and blow away if the Dawn' remake weren't done or the RE films were never greenlit. There will always be indie minded creators struggling to get their vision out there. Maybe it'd be best if the dross were filtered out. I would rather support fewer zombie stories with quality and imagination than a greater quantity with a few gems and a majority of REs and Houses'. But I'm stepping on the toes of another thread here.....
Quit complaining. It's not high art were talking aobut here; were talking about sub genre zombie films. When you say "Waaaa, the new ones are an insult...." and quit whining about Zach. Shaddup!
But we bitch and moan because we care! It's not malicious criticism; it's worrying and fussing over a cherished genre we fear may degenerate into irrelevance! And why can't it be high, low or mid brow art! In fact, I agree with most of your opinion on the recent films; I believe I only differ on Dawn' 04. See- we're not disagreeing to a great degree here! :clap:

[awfulman]

(little wave)

What I love about zombie horror is the sociological aspect. I accept that not all zombie horror is going to deal with what interests me. If I want a film to do so, I will make it myself.

There are complex and simple zombie films, just like there are complex and simple people. I don't think it's such a terrible thing that the simpler ones (some people say DOTD '04 is one) appeal to what's suggested to be an immature mentality. Who's to say that a 14 year old can't appreciate a 'simple' film in a similar capacity to how a 50 year old appreciates the original DOTD? To me, their enjoyment, regardless of how shallow or deep, is just as valid.

How about a 50 year old with the mind of a 14 year old? Who would want to tell that person that their interest in DOTD '04 is infantile, that they should appreciate films of a higher caliber, like the one's I do. Maybe it is so, but I think it's perfectly acceptable for simple directors to make simple films for simple audiences. I like people, and I want them to enjoy themselves, no matter how simple or complex they are.

I enjoyed DOTD '04 and I eagerly await the next one.

[eliza_doolittle]

I can't say i liked DOTD 2004. It all read too much like a crappy teen horror flick. The characters sucked a big one, the females were hired on their ability to look arousing as apposed to terrorfied, the men were stereotypical male villians and heros. The action was good, but not great. It wasn't BAAAAAAD, but it definatly wasn't good.

[Lee]

Come now, High Fidelity was pretty good.

LOL - I loved High Fidelity - once I separated it from the book in my mind! I mean, the whole thing with setting it in America just really threw me....it changes so much about the entire concept (which was originally just so British) - same with Bridget Jones....

the characters sucked a big one, the females were hired on their ability to look arousing as apposed to terrorfied, the men were stereotypical male villians and heros

I don't agree with that....the lead female chick kicked. She didn't scream or twist her ankle or be useless in ANY fashion. In fact only Steve's girl (ROFL...does she have a name? No! She will always be Steve's girl....) was really meant to be "arousing", and even then, she's a decent actress.

The men weren't all stereotypical....what about CJ? The bad guy who turns sort of good, but is still cool and no-nonsense. Even then whats-his-face lead guy isn't a stereotypical leader...he's a divorced tv sales guy.

Ok - '04 is not the original. But it does have a bit more to it than just cool looking zombies and lots of KABLAMO!

[Detroit Dogg]

grrr......stupid chips ruining good horror movie....grrrrrrrrr :x :x :x

[Brody]

I'm diggin it.

What I specifically meant by the option being NO FILMS is that prior to this resurgence in the Dead Genre there hadn't been any activity (worth mentioning anyway; maybe Cemetary Man?). I love and hate as much as everyone; I think the RE and House films are an insult and pure crap to film in general but love the 28 Days and DOTD 04 spins.

I just hope the genre stays around a little longer.

[Lee]

grrr......stupid chips ruining good horror movie....grrrrrrrrr :x :x :x

lol! It wasn't the dogs fault! Blame stupid orphaned skank girl....talk about hysterical....when the Zombie Apocalypse comes, those kinda girls are the first ones i'm taking out .... *grin*

[Divided Soul]

Hey man there is a need for these girls............. Bait :)

[I_Apocalypse]

I will start by stating that I agree that some of the characters were weak. The film also should have had more character devleopment in order to pull off some of their personality transitions with more fluidity. I'm also going to agree with Awfulman about the intended audience issue. If I was to introduce a young adult or teenager to the zombie genre, like hell I'm going to tell them to run out and rent the original night of the living dead...or any of those older flicks...the individual will never touch another zombie movie ever again! (there are always the exceptions, of course) Todays audience needs a flashier, more "up to date" kind of movie to get them hooked and keep them coming back. Get them hooked and when they are ready to check out the other, more "sophisticated" stuff (as most of you seem to think is the case) then bring on the originals.
Lets be honest...the number of people out there that watch movies for their artistic content are very few indeed. If you think that anyone out there is willing to produce a product costing millions of dollars aimed at a very select audience you are (insert appropriate derogatory comment about person's intellect here)
There is so few movies out there that I can't point out a character or two that are way off base...or even plot based flaws that drive me nuts! Thats not to say that they are bad movies...its just so difficult to create a perfect product, if even for the fact that everyone views the same film through different eyes.
If an all out revival of the genre is what these "irrelevant" films leave in their wake (which I believe is happening) then I say keep them coming! There is, however, a line to be drawn and most have not come anywhere close to it, (with the exception of House of the dead! They must have thought that that particular line was the starting point and ended up way beyond!!!)
My favorite zombie horrors are viewed in my sleep...already three this week! Nothing will ever come close to them.
In my opinion Gar's Dawn is no better or worse than the remake...they are both riddled with flaws and aspects that drive me insane with frustration. But I love the whole zombie concept. I love the trains of thought that they put us on and the nightmares that that they aid us in conjuring.
I may be the only one in the world that does this but when I see something that is total cheese I fantasize or try to "relive" certain scenes that should have caused me to shit myself; only, I imagine it the way it should have been. Only I know the images that make my skin crawl and I will never expect any movie to reproduce those effects because I will be, like R-Complex, forever disappointed.

[Ravenheart]

As I said before,I loved Dawn '04 but the original is still my favorite of the two.If they hadn't brought in all those other characters,they could have had better character development.

[corgi37]

Dawn 04 did its job. It was way better than any one expected, and it helped get the green light for LAND. People were just itching to dump on DAWN once the news got out if was being remade. Including many on this board. You could just sense the anticipation to crucify it. All sorts of absolutlely minor critisisms were amplified to life and death status.

Yet, many of the outrageous bloopers in the original DAWN were forgiven, or tolerated.

If there is a sequel to DAWN, i hope the same people are involved. Though, i hope the running zombies are toned down a bit to "walking very fast" zombies.

[lurker]

First One Was The Sh#t.the Second One Wasn't.

[FatherJack]

"But even the zombies were mundane"

I think there was a point to that.... :evil:

It's mall culture, bland, homogenized, stale, mindless, cookie cutter mall culture.

Yuppie zombies *shudder* :rimshot:

[Fat Ian]

I think you'll find a lot of fans of the remake here. DotD 78 was and still is a masterpiece, but the remake was still a damn good movie.

Agreed! I mean sure Zack Snyder is just some stupid college rookie director, but it was pretty refreshing to see Dawn04 to have been brought back up to snuff. Im completely against the idea of a sequil tho :saw:

Ive already suggested this before but wouldnt it be better if he remade Day of the Dead? Theyve already remade NOTLD and DawnOTD. Wouldnt it make more sense just to remake day?

[SGT. DEATH]

I think they will remake day and maybe even land in the future,but Im really looking foreward to Dawn 04 part 2.This will be a brand new film and something great to look foreward to.Also cant wait to see scary movie take the piss out of these. :drinking:

[HOO-HAA]

Btw, you shouldn't see dawn04 as a remake of dawn78, just see it as a whole different movie and it's a great one then.

Well said, Zombie-Jim...

Personally, I think the more cracks at creating Romero-inspired films, the better. If they're good, they're good.. if they're bad they're bad...

..But at least they tried. Gawd loves a trier, after all..

[zombie2005]

I agree that the remake was good but it should stay a remake and let Zach Snyder use a different title and stay away from the Dawn of the Dead title.

I wish he would create his own series like Romero.

Maybe if its good enough he can be the Prince of Zombies :)

I think it would hurt the Romero series to have a Dawn of the Dead 2, and Day of the Dead 2. Even though its not romeros films, those films will be attached to his series.

[Arson Zombie]

Zombie movie is a Zombie movie. Who cares if they remake them all? So what! Bigger budgets, more gore, better special FX oh and don't for get, something for us to watch. The remake dose not change the original. If nothing else, more people, maybe a younger crowd may be more inclined to check out the original and appreciate the awsome movie that it is.
I'm just glad to see Zombies on the silver screen. :evil:

[zombie tar tar]

If there was never a mall in Dawn 04 it could have been named "Dead 04" or any other name and it would have been a whole new zombie flick, and a good 1 at that. Take the movie for what its meant to be, a really good film. It does not by any means take away from the original, it just gives every "zombie" fan another film to cheer about.

[Emperor]

I must admit I was appaled by the idea of a remake with big studio backing and a rookie director and was quite prepared to hate the film but I didn't. Rather than just remake the film they took the general concept and made a new film (I think if they'd done an actual strict remake it could have been a disaster). They haven't taken crayons and drawn all over the original film but set it on its pedstal and produced a competent zombie movie (better than the majority out there and I assume people aren't objecting to it as it is a bad zombie but on a more conceptual level). Ultimately everyone wins: They get more bums on seats from the Dawn name and it could potentially have pulled in even more people to see the original which has to be a good thing surely.

As has been said I hope the sequels take off in their own direction and explore this universe more as it is different from the Romero one and has different things to say as well as different types of thrills and spills. Thinking a tad cynically one wonders if this film would have got greenlighted if it hadn't had the Dawn name slapped on (Dawn is the most popular zombie movie by a long chalk after all) and it might have been a ploy by the production team to get the ball rolling. I think if the Dawn name gives them a boost to get more films moving then that is a good thing. And has been said its success has helped Romero and almost guaranteed Land will be a box office smash this summer.

And the DVD is full of goodies for the zombie fan (all those cameos!!).

And Dawn 2 - bring it awwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn but it better be good!!!

[corgi37]

I think its pretty much a very contributing factor that Dawn 04's success allowed GAR to get LAND off the ground.

Without it, we'd have Diamond Dead to be looking forward to!

I wish some word on a sequel would be announced. I'm starting to think it wont happen.

But, if LAND is a hit (and i pray its a smash) then the situation will be reversed, and Dawn 2 might get green-lit.

[Detroit Dogg]

But, if LAND is a hit (and i pray its a smash) then the situation will be reversed, and Dawn 2 might get green-lit. I totally agree with ya. Land making money = Dawn 2.

~Dre

[Emperor]

I totally agree with ya. Land making money = Dawn 2.

And not just that but more zombie films get made and studios will b prepared to put their hands in their pockets which means better special effects, better scripts, better directors, etc. which can only be a good thing. It brings more zombie movie fans in which means more momentum and the current boom in zombie movies keeps rolling for a few more years.

OK osme of them are going to be awful and money doesn't = good film but ultimately it will mean more good zombie movies.

You don't have to thank the Dawn 2004 people or even like the movie but it is looking like being a very influential movie.

And can anyone say they now like the original Dawn less because of Dawn 2004?

[preacher]

i dont think LOTLD being a smash would mean better directors or better films. More films yeah, but whether or not they would be any good is anyones guess.

i think theres a certain type of director who would do a zombie film, youre not going to get types like james cameron or steven spielberg doing one. its the new younger directors who are more likely to do them, sometimes they make good (Zach Snyder) othertimes theyll mess up.

but like with Troy and Alexander the great showed, swords and sandals was the hottest genre going but all it took was one mess up for it to be over.

theres more riding on LOTLD than GARS reputation.

[SICBELLY]

youre not going to get types like james cameron or steven spielberg doing one.

Thank God! Can you imagine the fluffiness of a Spielberg zombie flick? It would probably smell like ET and have an undead protagonist.
"The tip of the reeking puss-bag's left index finger suddenly lit up, and".... :puke:

[preacher]

i heard cameron was thinking of doing "i am legend" (the film that charlton heston made as "the omega man") but this was years ago

Thats pretty much as close to a zombie movie that cameron would make. i.e. a zombie movie that the director refuses to call a zombie movie (in the same way with 28 days later)

respected directors for some reason have a problem with doing a "zombie" movie. so theyre not "zombies" theyre the infected or some other cop out

[corgi37]

Around the time the 2nd Lord the rings flick came out, Peter Jackson said he was hoping to make a zombie film after the trilogy. But, i guess he got offered the big bucks for K.K.

[Divided Soul]

all are great ideas!!!

[preacher]

jacksons already done "bad taste" which is pretty close to a zombie movie. if anyone could make an epic zombie movie i think he could. it would also be interesting if someone like ridley scott to take up the zombie genre

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I think Kong was Jackson's dream project, so I surely understand why zombies must take the backburner for now. :) As for Cameron and Spielberg...I'd love to see zombie films from either. Let's not forget Terminator and Jaws. They're both REALLY good at what they do...I would totally trust either of them to churn out an awesome zombie flick.

[preacher]

spielbergs lost the balls to do another Jaws, hes been spewing films out left right and center recently and theyre all completely forgettable and average.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I don't know...I haven't seen The Terminal yet...but I liked Catch Me If You Can. Different strokes...

[Divided Soul]

What you talkin bout Willis (GoGo)......

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/isthatlatin/gary20coleman.jpg

-------------------------:)

[corgi37]

A big name commercial director wouldnt have chomping scenes. In fact, i think we may have seen the last of chomping scenes.

However, i think Speilberg or Cameron would do a great "I am legend".

[HOO-HAA]

A big name commercial director wouldnt have chomping scenes. In fact, i think we may have seen the last of chomping scenes.

However, i think Speilberg or Cameron would do a great "I am legend".


Again, for the second time tonight, I may be due a beating for saying this... :scare:

...but for me the gore is take-or-leave... it's the survival horror element that I really like.... a few guys and gals trying to keep one step ahead of the shufflers and the dynamics between them in doing so...

..That's what it's all about.

But I agree with you about 'I am Legend'... that is just WAITING for a fantastic reshoot..

[Shredmonkey]

For me the Dawn remake would have been a whole lot better if they hadn't called it Dawn of The Dead. Hell, the only similarities between the two were the presence of the undead and the shopping mall. I enjoyed it as a stand alone horror/action movie and I've watched it many times now but I just can't shake off the impression that it's just a fancy music video. I don't hold out too much hope for the second one being any better. But as long as it's fun I can forgive it for being disposable :)

As for a film version of I am legend, I would enjoy that VERY much. I still vaguely remember the version starring Vincent Price (Wasn't it called 'Last Man On Earth'?)

[Preach]

give me quality over quantity any day

I simply require character development and a coherent engaging plot.
couldn't have said it any better myself...DOTD 2004 was nowhere near as good as the RE movies in my not so humble opinion..

[corgi37]

Oh man, i gotta disagree there!

But, fair enough if you think that.

[preacher]

the gores for 14 year olds. I watch them for the premise of the post apocolyptic world, the suspense and the "jump out of your seat" moments. but i really hate the gore and if anything it makes the movies worse for me

[HOO-HAA]

the gores for 14 year olds. I watch them for the premise of the post apocolyptic world, the suspense and the "jump out of your seat" moments. but i really hate the gore and if anything it makes the movies worse for me


I'm with you on that one, Padre.. :clap:

[Shredmonkey]

the gores for 14 year olds. I watch them for the premise of the post apocolyptic world, the suspense and the "jump out of your seat" moments. but i really hate the gore and if anything it makes the movies worse for me


I agree that gore for the sake of it is dull and inefective. Sometimes though it is integral to the movie. Can you imagine Day or Dawn without the gore? The effects add to the feel of the film without the film being merely a vehicle for the make up.

[Divided Soul]

Well I agree gore is necessary... I donn't think Night would have been anywhere near the hit it was if it didn't show the sombies eating intestines..... That is what shocked so many people!

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I'll always choose story and character over gore, but as long as those things are in place, I enjoy the gore. It's a good time, especially when it's creative. There is, however, some sort of invisible line that can get crossed and then it's too much. I hate it when a movie is completely ruined becasue they chose to throw blood all over everything--it's also probably a sign that the rest of their movie sucks, so they need something to distract you from the crap characters and plot. :) Yeah, if you're selling your movie based on how much gore there is, chances are the rest of it's not really worth the renter's fee.

Dead Alive seems to be one of the few cases where excessive gore worked just fine. Oops. Back to topic...

[SGT. DEATH]

Well I think it was everything that made the dead trilogy great,and what little gore was in Dawn 04 I loved.But the imagination is a strong element in any film.Remember the eye scene from zombie 2 or as its known in the UK as Zombie fleash eaters. :drinking:

[preacher]

the only time ive enjoyed gore is in bad taste, and then it was done with tongue firmly in cheek. When he sticks the gun through the guys body and keeps on shooting, very inventive.

But the trouble with serious gore is that when theyre havign their intestines ripped out instead of thinking "eww" or being shocked im working out how they did it (e.g. fake floor, pigs liver etc) and that pulls me out of the movie

When a movie has the character pulled out of shot and all you can hear are their screams then that for me its much more horrific because your imagination fills in the blanks

[SGT. DEATH]

Well while your on the subject of how they did it have you seen the documentry on the DAy of the dead.When they explain about the scene about the guy[I pissed forgive my memory]gets riped in half near the end.I wont spoil it but this you got to see.

[corgi37]

ya gotta have gore. Its a horror movie, for Christ's sake.

And mine.

[The Blind Dead]

This is a sad topic. I wonder how many in this thread are putting on fronts and slamming DOTD '04 in an attempt to convince others of their "horror fan authenticity".

I see this happen all too often. Romero gets much respect from me but I feel most horror fans feel they HAVE TO claim the Dead Trilogy is a masterpiece series and GAR is the best director or they feel other horror fans will think less of them or even ridicule them. So many claim the Dead Trilogy are political and philosophical that fans who just want to be entertained begin to feel like NOT liking Night, Dawn or Day means they're stupid or they'll be perceived as such.

Remakes and reimaginings can only help Romero. So, why are zombies fans so dead set on limiting his creations to their respective time periods? Why shit on Snyder? He has bills like everybody else and served up a great zombie movie in the process which is far far more than I can say for some of the indie horror directors out there serving up absolute trash and charging the same price for their DVDs.

[HOO-HAA]

I wonder how many in this thread are putting on fronts and slamming DOTD '04 in an attempt to convince others of their "horror fan authenticity".


I must say... some of that rings true, BD.

I suppose, though, when something gets 'remade' it can upset those who loved the original and believed it was fine as it was. The way forward for me is to enjoy the remake without seeing it as a challenge to the original's value... That way, you have 2 very different slants on the same basic premise.

Enjoy it for what it is and don't get too hung up on it.. :)

[Bad Zombie Night]

This is a sad topic. I wonder how many in this thread are putting on fronts and slamming DOTD '04 in an attempt to convince others of their "horror fan authenticity".


LOL! :lol: You should've been around here during the time leading up to (Fall/Winter of '03) the film's debut in March of '04. Members here, were ready to cast poor Zach into the fiery pits of Hades. They were also ready to take up arms, and hunt down every running Zombie in existence. 'Romero's Dead Heads' were absolutely convinced that the film was going to be a monumental flop, but something unexpected happened.... The movie did really well, and many of those naysayers were forced to eat their words. Hell, the movie did #1 all-time at the box office for a Zombie flick ($59M), and netted over $100M worldwide :dollar:.
I find it rather typical now, how the same people have curbed their objectivity, when it comes to GAR's "Thinking Zombies" concept. Like I said before a ways back. I'll wait until the movie premiers, before I'll past judgement. ;-)

[Zombie Mark]

This is a sad topic. I wonder how many in this thread are putting on fronts and slamming DOTD '04 in an attempt to convince others of their "horror fan authenticity".
Yeah, I don't understand this at all. I loved the original DOTD, and many years back it replaced Star Wars as my all time favorite movie of any genre, but I really loved DOTD '04 as well. I don't care that they used the name "Dawn of the Dead" in the remake's title, or that the story centered about a mall. Heck, I wish there were movies about zombies at every damn mall in this country (and in Canada, etc.) - the sad thing is, if someone did make them, I'd probably watch them all! :)

[The Blind Dead]

For all of Romero's worth as a director of horror masterpieces he couldn't get anybody to cough up the loot for years and years to make his fourth installment. Would LOTD be on the fast track if there was no DOTD '04?

I have a hard time believing it would be.

[The Blind Dead]

LOL! :lol: You should've been around here during the time leading up to (Fall/Winter of '03) the film's debut in March of '04. Members here, were ready to cast poor Zach into the fiery pits of Hades. They were also ready to take up arms, and hunt down every running Zombie in existence.
Horror and zombies fans should feel free to state their opinion without being lynched. Their love for horror should never be questioned because they found the Dead Trilogy to be a bit stiff or boring. Snyder made a nice action film, threw in some zombies, a bit of gore, a nice set of tits swinging, a zombie birth and a cool female lead.

Was DOTD '04 better than the original? *shrugs* To each his own. I feel films like Return of the Living Dead and Shaun of the Dead were far better than the Dead Trilogy...of course...I like Full Moon films so there's no accounting for taste. :drool:

[Morbidfilm]

I can't believe that almost a year and a half later, people are still bitching about the Dawn remake. Get over it. It's just a movie.
And like it or not, it's success got Land of the Dead made.

[Detroit Dogg]

ehh....If you think guys here bitch about Dawn... go see a Starwars site and see how much they complain about those movies. "God I cant beleive they let that stormtrooper with the stained shoulder stay in the DVD!!!"

~Dre

[Darth Erroneous]

Dawn of the Dead remake? the way I see it the only thing that they both have in common is that fact that they were based in a shopping mall. If they had taken DOTD 2004 and called it something else everyone would be bitching that they ripped off DOTD 78 because of the shopping mall setting. By calling it DOTD they avoided this problem. Different beginning, characters, sub plots, ending, and demises. Remake? Don't think so.

[preacher]

to be honest the remake didnt really have to be set in a shopping mall, while the original took its time to explore the entire mall the remake used very little of the shops or its amenities.

apart from the obligatory montage sequence involving the tvs, and weights etc the movie could have been made in an warehouse or anywhere

i think it was more important to the execs for it to be called Dawn of the Dead than to actually use any of the originals material

[Kemper]

the way i look at the movies at this point is that while not the greatest movie...the remake showed how powerful Dawn of the Dead really is with fans. I mean the name sold the movie just as much as the movie itself(which i like).

Zombie movies are back on a grand level and hopefully to stay. thanks you DOTD04

[Darth Erroneous]

I think that we should wait until a few more of his (Snyder's) films come out before we can really devote an "anti" page to him.

"He's only trying to make money to feed his robot family." Scotty Thomas

[Slumlord]

I watched this movie again and I found myself really enjoying it. Sure there were unanswred questioins and I sat through the end credits only to find my self really dispising the end thinking I should have just stopped the DVD when the credits started. I even liked the campy extras they added.

I just don't associate the original Dawn of the Dead with the new one. Granted, the name of the movie was the main reason I wanted to see it but I don't dislike the movie just because of it's namesake thinking "this isn't George A. Romero's vision."

I'll usually hate a movie for not holding my intrest and Dawn of the Dead 2004 had me glued to the screen. No bathroom break or snackbar trips for me.

[Tainted Love]

*looks around sheepishly*

I actually rented the remake and really enjoyed it. I wasn't expecting myself to like it as much as I did.

I hadn't heard anything about a sequel though.

[The TRUE lord of the dead]

I watched this movie again and I found myself really enjoying it. Sure there were unanswred questioins and I sat through the end credits only to find my self really dispising the end thinking I should have just stopped the DVD when the credits started. I even liked the campy extras they added.

I just don't associate the original Dawn of the Dead with the new one. Granted, the name of the movie was the main reason I wanted to see it but I don't dislike the movie just because of it's namesake thinking "this isn't George A. Romero's vision."

I'll usually hate a movie for not holding my intrest and Dawn of the Dead 2004 had me glued to the screen. No bathroom break or snackbar trips for me.

Exactly! its a pretty good movie but they shouldnt have ruined the chance to have a remake of dawn by calling giving it the same title. in fact im surprised that GAR didnt sue them (unless he gave them permission) for using that title when they dont nearly have anything that was in the original movie (aside from the mall and a few other small details from the original).

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

Its a big budget zombie movie with fairly competant acting throughout. That already makes it better then 90% of zombie movies out there.

[corgi37]

From the glut of remakes, Dawn04 was probably the best. I really liked it -

BUT -

I watched the unrated dvd again last week for the 1st time in a while, and i felt a bit flat. There was so much they could have included, but didnt.

It's ok. It's a nice cheeseburger to the huge T-bone GAR is about to give us.

[Zombie Survivor]

I agree. DotD'04 was just another side menu to keep us satisfied for the main menu: LotD.

[ThaiZombie]

DotD' 04 was a good movie, If Snyder wants to make a sequal then let him do it. As long as it is done right and keeps my attention on the screen then i am all for any new, or remade Zombie movie :clap:

[Bad Zombie Night]

DotD' 04 was a good movie, If Snyder wants to make a sequal then let him do it. As long as it is done right and keeps my attention on the screen then i am all for any new, or remade Zombie movie :clap:

Yeah, I agree, but what's with the sequel?
Other than the article, about them approaching Snyder with the possibility of making it, we haven't heard dick about it in a long time. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/bite1.gif

[SquidBoy]

Think of it as a zombie cocktail... Its a pretty good flick for what it is,
a combination of other director/writer ideas, used to to cash in on the zombie boom..

I like it, shoulda have been called something else though...

[Rookie]

Wondabar! Das ist Zehr Gut, Die Dawn 04 remake ist HerbstGreftig!

Er, a new zombie movie is always good, and since dawn 04 wasnt to bad at all...

[montyburnz]

As for a film version of I am legend, I would enjoy that VERY much. I still vaguely remember the version starring Vincent Price (Wasn't it called 'Last Man On Earth'?)

I thought The Omega Men w/ Charleton Heston was based on I AM LEGEND.
Never saw it so I may be wrong.

[Zombielover]

It absolutely was based on I Am Legend although very loosely

[tarman]

the last man on earth is almost exact to the i am legend book. the main difference is vincent price. but price is awesome, so it works out even better! still i do i like the book better than the movie, which is rare for me.

[Bobby Bloodfeast]

There is an original Dawn Of The Dead???? :scare: HAHHAHA

My two cents which are very late in the game is that the original is there, it's a classic - I 100% was against the remake but I went to see it and was pleased anxiously await what comes next.....

[SGT. DEATH]

Once again I will state for the records this isnt a good movie but a great one,some once stated startrek next generation is superior to star trek but will never be as good(or something similar)I think the same applies here.Although I do think Romero should have made it with everything that was given to Snyder.Zack S. done a great job and had this movie had a different name no one would complain about it but would call it a classic. :drinking:

[FroDish]

Yeah, personally I think Snyder has style and felt the Dawn remake was less of a remake, much more of a homage, and a fun one at that, but now that he's got that out of his system I'm hoping he'll go onto something better. He's made some money and got his name out there.. so I'm rooting for him.

[montyburnz]

^I gained some respect for him when I learned he turned down S.W.A.T because he wanted to make an R rated movie. He's working on
Rainbow Six so I hope he brings his cranium bursts to that flick too.

[Darth Erroneous]

^I gained some respect for him when I learned he turned down S.W.A.T because he wanted to make an R rated movie. He's working on
Rainbow Six so I hope he brings his cranium bursts to that flick too.

Snyder and Clancy? Sounds good to me! maybe he can get Savini to pull a cameo in this one as well!

[Bad Zombie Night]

After seeing Land of the Dead this past Friday, I think Dawn of the Dead 2004 was a more entertaining film.

[jackskellington]

After seeing Land of the Dead this past Friday, I think Dawn of the Dead 2004 was a more entertaining film.

Hate to say it, but I've got to agree. After seeing Land I'm very much looking forward to a Dawn 04 sequel. Dawn seemed to be more of a horror/action movie while Land was a bit "preachy" with all of the political views and whatnot. I realize that kind of stuff was also in Night, Dawn and Day but it didn't seem to be the primary reason for making the movie which, unfortunately, seemed to be the motivating factor in Land.

[Bad Zombie Night]

The funny thing about the two movies was the contrasting expectations, I had before having seen them.... Before each film debuted, members on here were hammering Dawn 2004 to death, while on the other hand, giving lofty expectations to Land... Well, I carried those very expectations with me to the theaters, but I left them feeling quite the opposite.

Funny how things turn out that way.

[guerrilla]

well in any case, i think its hard for any movie being made 15-20 years after its predecessors in a series to live up to the high expectations people have for it. just like LOTD, the same thing happened with Star Wars, and i'm sure the same thing will happen with the new indiana jones.

my point of view on this is that most of us saw any of those series as children, and as children people are not set in their ways and are more objective towards everything. once you reach adulthood, or on the way to reaching it, you look at the world differently. so i think part of the reason these movies seem to be not as good is because of the loss of objectivity, which leads to high and lofty expectations for a film you've been waiting to see for 15 to 20 years. that was what i said all along for Episode 1 when it came out. Lucas hadn't changed all that much, his audience had changed more, yet it was easier to blame Lucas (of course Jar Jar did stink up the damn film lol). i think the same can be said about Romero.

as far as DOTD04 goes, i loved that film as well, definitely in my top 5 zombie films, and i can't wait for a sequel. i'll take all the zombie films Hollywoods willing to give me.

[Bad Zombie Night]

well in any case, i think its hard for any movie being made 15-20 years after its predecessors in a series to live up to the high expectations people have for it.
You say that, but what about Dawn 2004? They had no problem putting out a pretty descent film, and making a remake is a much tougher task.

[Darth Erroneous]

Does anyone know anything at DODTD04 sequel yet? Is there a site or anything on it?

[Bad Zombie Night]

Does anyone know anything at DODTD04 sequel yet? Is there a site or anything on it?
We were just mentioning that a week ago... The theory is that they are waiting to see if Land does well, before giving it the go ahead... I guess the idea is that they want to see if the interest is still there, but that's just a rumor.

[corgi37]

I think the time has come and gone for a Dawn sequel.

[guerrilla]

You say that, but what about Dawn 2004? They had no problem putting out a pretty descent film, and making a remake is a much tougher task.

my statement is still true. its hard to make a movie that people have been waiting 15 to 20 years to see and fulfill their expectations.

and if what you say is true then you must think the world of Snyder, outdoing Romero and all on a "much tougher" project. i would agree that DOTD04 is probably better than LOTD, but i liked LOTD a lot, both could probably make my top 5, top 10 for sure.

[Bad Zombie Night]

my statement is still true. its hard to make a movie that people have been waiting 15 to 20 years to see and fulfill their expectations.
There maybe some truth in what you just said, but there hasn't been a lot of films made out there that you can attribute that statement to... Oh, there have been a lot of sequels made, but they come within a comfortable time frame after the original.... As you know, many of those have been absolute stinkers as compared to original.



and if what you say is true then you must think the world of Snyder, outdoing Romero and all on a "much tougher" project. i would agree that DOTD04 is probably better than LOTD, but i liked LOTD a lot, both could probably make my top 5, top 10 for sure.

Do not misunderstand me, I liked LOTD too, but I expected much greater things out of GAR than out of Zack Snyder... Furthermore, Zack Snyder did have a much tougher task to accomplish than Romero did. For one thing, when the remake for Dawn of the Dead was annouched, poor Zack Snyder couldn't find any friends out there in Zombieland http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/cry3.gif ... The same people who were critizing him asked, how can you remake a classsic? And Running Zombies? No way this will work... This movie is gonna suck. Well, I say he pretty much proved the naysayers wrong on that one.

[jackskellington]

Will Snyder prove to be the new Romero?

[Cholo]

I have a few points to make in my useless babble:

I think the reason people resent DOTD RE is that when we saw the orginal DOTD, that was history! There was no movie to push those limits that george did. Decades later it's a been there done that attitude with the Zombie films. I think in any genere you will find that. Pulp Fiction,Star Wars,Indiana Jones, These movies were the trendsetters, the ones that we grew up with. I am a big ZOMBIE fan and Romero fan, I saw LOTD Sat. and loved it. Was it just me or do you sense an overtone of racism a discrimination theme in the movie. The way Amercian Indians, African Americans, or even Women for that matter were treated by society. I thought that semi-intelligent zombies added a sense of excitement to the mix.. Instead of walking around looking for lunch aimlessly, now they kinda plan stuff and it makes it more suspenseful. If another Zombie movie is thrown upon us, it should be liken to "The Reign Of The Dead". It is a series of novels by Len Barnhart and I have read the first 2 with the second coming out hopefully end of 05 start of 06. The novels have about 3-4 different stories going on that meld into one. It would be cool to see the POV of the military/normal people/foreign countries in one movie.

But in closing as they keep making zombie movies I'll go see em.
There is nothing like the world going to sh!t and flesh eating creatures all around you!!!!

:clap:

[jackskellington]

I think the reason people resent DOTD RE...

Not many people here resent the remake. I for one LOVED it and I think you'll find that most everyone here did.

[corgi37]

I liked Dawn alot. Could have been a lot better, but it was fun.

I dont think it stands up to repeated viewings though. Not like the masterful original.

[Darth Erroneous]

I can still remember sitting in the theatre and seeing the opening sequence start. It was an undescribable experience for me. I truly feel that my life was changed after seeing that movie.

[DarkTOFU]

From a technical standpoint, I loved the twist in Dawn 04. Still un-expained re-animation, but through the course of the film, the dead degenerated and rotted. They were dirty and blood caked due to feeding. they were as real as could be if a thing like that really happeded. LOTD, which was also good, had some damn clean zombies, almost a clean as the lead characters. What's up with that, do they choose to not feed?
Anyway. Dawn 04 wasn't a bad film, just modern. Let the original stay planted firmly in the 70's mind-set and accept 04 as another story in a similar universe.

BTW: House of the dead sucked. Worst zombie movie ever.

[zombiekilling101]

i have a question, how the hell did zack snyder get this gig, i mean, he has nothing behind him to warrant a directing job for this movie. go to imbd to check out his backround.

and darktofu, responding to your quote coming from night....now there smart and theres even more of them... man that sucks

[Darth Erroneous]

...how the hell did zack snyder get this gig...

He must have done something very nice in a past life.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Will Snyder prove to be the new Romero?
Well... He gotta make a few more "Z" films to prove himself first.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Not many people here resent the remake. I for one LOVED it and I think you'll find that most everyone here did.
You should've been on here from when Dawn '04 was first announced, right up until it was finally released... There were a lot people on here that loved to bad mouth this film for several reasons... I for one, have always said that, I'll wait until the film is released, and view it for myself, before I'll pass any judgements.

[Bad Zombie Night]

LOTD, which was also good, had some damn clean zombies, almost a clean as the lead characters. What's up with that, do they choose to not feed?
Yeah, Big Daddy had more motor oil on him then blood, and I don't recall one time during the film where he ate anyone... I duuno... Seems a bit out-of-character for a Romero Zombie... Don't cha think? :loon: :?

[Darth Erroneous]

Will Snyder prove to be the new Romero?

No he won't. He will prove to be Zack Snyder. :)

[Bad Zombie Night]

No he won't. He will prove to be Zack Snyder. :)
I like that statement. :mrgreen:

[Darth Erroneous]

That's interesting. The remake (and I use that term loosely) of a sequal is spawning a sequal that is not Day of the Dead but something else entirely. It's like in Back to the Future 2 when Doc Brown explains what happened to 1985 after Biff gave the Almanac to himself in 1955. I think that the sequal would do incredibly well if:

1. Bring back exisiting characters played by the same actors/actresses.
2. Do not give us the same played-over story line. We don't need to see them seclude themselves in a warehouse this time.
3. Direct to DVD = Death.
4. Bigger budget.
5. Get Savini on board even if it's just a consulation position.
6. Start to give us some feeling like we're winning and not just running.

That's all I have now.

[jackskellington]

Get Savini on board even if it's just a consulation position.

Come on now...Nicotero did an EXCELLENT job.

[Darth Erroneous]

Come on now...Nicotero did an EXCELLENT job.
Granted...but I have a soft spot in my heart for Savini. He reminds me of my Uncle.

[jackskellington]

Granted...but I have a soft spot in my heart for Savini. He reminds me of my Uncle.

Of course. LOADS of respect to Savini, but Nicotero's work in Land was pretty much the only part of the movie that delivered.

[Darth Erroneous]

Of course. LOADS of respect to Savini, but Nicotero's work in Land was pretty much the only part of the movie that delivered.
I thought you were talking about DOTD 04! :doh: As you know I have not yet seen LOTD out of an obligation to an old friend. Thanks for rubbing salt into the wound! :lol:

[Bad Zombie Night]

4. Bigger budget.

LOL! The first film cost $26.5M, would you like to push for 30 or 35 million?
What would the Romero Maniacs on here say then? News of that nature, would probably cause the roof to cave in at the Monroeville Mall.

[Darth Erroneous]

LOL! The first film cost $26.5M, would you like to push for 30 or 35 million?
What would the Romero Maniacs on here say then? News of that nature, would probably cause the roof to cave in at the Monroeville Mall.

Bigger always = better! I'm thinking if RE Apocolypse had a budget of $60M, then this one would be worth at least $62.5M! :lol: And who are these Romero Maniacs you speak of? Show them to me! :)

[Bad Zombie Night]

Bigger always = better! I'm thinking if RE Apocolypse had a budget of $60M, then this one would be worth at least $62.5M! :lol:
I whole heartily agree... Frankly speaking, I think Zack Snyder could handle a budget of that magnitude, and at the least, bring us a descent Zombie flick.




And who are these Romero Maniacs you speak of? Show them to me! :)

LOL! You haven't figured out who they are yet?
They're the ones that become personally insulted when anything negative is said about a Romero film.

[jackskellington]

I thought you were talking about DOTD 04! :doh: As you know I have not yet seen LOTD out of an obligation to an old friend. Thanks for rubbing salt into the wound! :lol:

MY FAULT!!! I got confused on what thread I was on!! Didn't mean to!!!

[devourthesun]

BZM, I love your Icon, I just saw Dead Alive the other night and laughed my ass off. Classic!

As far as DOTD 04 and the issues everyones taking with it, I think it was a decent movie, and a good additon to the zombie genre.

And true, a DOTD 2 would be interesting, but when you look at the zombie genre in and of itself, it doesnt leave much room for change in story, almost every zombie film runs as follows

1. Zombies Rise
2. All hell breaks loose
3. Survivors run around for awhile trying to find someplace to hide
4. Hiding place is comprimised somehow, People die
5. Movie ends with charachters who are still alive running off into the sunset trying to find someplace new.

Thats just the way it is, Do you really want to sit through an Hour and a Half of people running around trying to escape zombies? The "Safe House" is important in all zombie films because it sets up the false sense of safety which will be shattered by the end of the film. Look at "Zombi", that movie doenst go anywhere till the end, and thats when the zombies have shown up to cause trouble. I think screenwritters who are making zombie films have the problem of either giving the people something that they know and love (Ex-Dawn of the Dead, 28 Days) or take a risk, which may, or may not work. Shaun of the Dead and Dead Alive are 2 examples of Huge risks that could have fallen flat on there faces. Shaun mixed Romantic Comedy and Horror. How often does that happen? and Dead Alive pushes the bouds of good taste and is so absurd that its great. Its like a Troma movie, only with much better acting.

So we can sit and bitch and moan and cry about how Zack Snider is evil, or we can be glad it wasnt Uwe Boll's Dawn of the Dead 04.


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[Darth Erroneous]

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I whole heartily agree... Frankly speaking, I think Zack Snyder could handle a budget of that magnitude, and at the least, bring us a descent Zombie flick.




LOL! You haven't figured out who they are yet?
They're the ones that become personally insulted when anything negative is said about a Romero film.

So by that rationale, Romero could put together a love story starring Robert Redford and Bette Midler set in 1256 about a farmer who is having a hard time inventing a grape-a-melon and people would defend it if someone said anything bad about it? Just kidding. :lol:

Congrats on 5000 posts BZN!

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

Is anybody left in this thread who doesn't like Zach Snyder, DotD'04, or the prospect of a sequel?

[corgi37]

Savini has no interest in FX except for his school. He's more into directing and acting.

He has moved on.

And, BADZOMBIENIGHT - I recall all to well all the hoo-ha when Dawn04 was just about to come out. Man, people were going ape shit. When it was released, well, people were just lining up werent they? It was pretty funny. The smallest fault, the tiniest inconsistancy was ripped apart.

You know, nothing has changed. LAND has copped the same thing. I find it pretty odd.

I mean, come on, BIg Daddy isnt "dirty enough"! Gimme a break. What next? His shoes were not scuffed enough? Number 9 swings her bat incorrectly? The butcher uses the wrong meat cleaver?

Yet, all the faults in Dawn 78 or Day are completely forgiven!

Go figure.

[Darth Erroneous]

Is anybody left in this thread who doesn't like Zach Snyder, DotD'04, or the prospect of a sequel?
They're still around. Laying in wait, patiently biding their time in order to strike... :evil:

[Bad Zombie Night]

And, BADZOMBIENIGHT - I recall all to well all the hoo-ha when Dawn04 was just about to come out. Man, people were going ape shit. When it was released, well, people were just lining up werent they? It was pretty funny. The smallest fault, the tiniest inconsistancy was ripped apart.
Hmmmm... Well, I recall members were spilt over the very concept of the film (Dawn remake), and of the changes that were made of the Zombies (Running Zombies)... I was in support of the flick, or let's say that I was at least giving the film a chance before I actually seen it... I remembered when I first joined and made a comment in support of the running Zombie concept, and Deadguy jumped all over me... I was a newbie, and I didn't know him at the time, but it was apparent that he was very animate about messing with Romero's film, and changing the Zombie's character.


You know, nothing has changed. LAND has copped the same thing. I find it pretty odd.

I think the biggest difference is that most people were behind Land 100%. They did though have some questions about the Zombies evolving, but not the same way they questioned the running Zombies concept.

I mean, come on, BIg Daddy isnt "dirty enough"! Gimme a break. What next? His shoes were not scuffed enough? Number 9 swings her bat incorrectly? The butcher uses the wrong meat cleaver?
What they meant was the 'Land' Zombies had little, or no blood on their clothes... Perhaps another Romero oversight?
Are you saying that Land Zombies have evolved enough to do their own laundry? :lol:

[Preach]

I think you'll find a lot of fans of the remake here
I'm not one..it had all the potential and wasted every bit of it :drool: I wouldn't even have the DVD if I hadn't found it in a pawnshop for $5 :roll: :x

[Pain]

Each to their own Preach. I went to the cinema full of doubt as i expect many others did. But i came out pleasantly surprised. It does fill me with more optimism over plans for any sequel. I can see why people wouldn't like it, and i wouldn't try and change anyones mind. It would be boring if we all liked the same stuff anyway.

[Helu]

The remake is a great action film, and possibley the best action zombie film. As far as characters and Story go, it isn't anywhere near as good as the original, but the aciton is great.

[zombiekilling101]

i was so one of the guys torn between the remake, hell i did a project on what i wanted to do with my life, and turned it into a "why you shouldnt see Dawn of the Dead/who romero is powerpoint presentation..

but i loved it

[outkast]

If you look at DOTD 04 as a seperate film to the original you will enjoy it. Period.

[zombiekilling101]

i look at it as a remake of one of my favortie movies, and i still love it.

[corgi37]

You know, another explanation on why Big Daddy and others seemed so "clean" is pretty obvious.

They've spent ages outside. Enough time to have countless rain storms washing them!

[zombiekilling101]

You know, another explanation on why Big Daddy and others seemed so "clean" is pretty obvious.

They've spent ages outside. Enough time to have countless rain storms washing them!

wrong thread? but yeah! that is a great reason, that and since theres only a couple cities with humans left, theres not going to be alot of eating going on so no blood baths.

[devourthesun]

That makes sense. I havent seen the movie yet but from the pics i've seen in Fangoria, and from the "Dream of the Dead" thing, they did look kinda clean. Course, so does savni's "Blades" zombie, but i figured thats because he died in a fountain.


Eeew....Soggy Zombies!

[jackskellington]

No news out there on a sequel yet, huh?

[MADMAN]

I was just talking about this with my g/f last night. I think that some people are missing the boat as far as social commentary is concerned in Dawn '04. Honestly, there is a lot going on in this one. Think about the differences in society from 78 until now and tell me that the re-make doesn't reflect those changes, and comment on them. In the original, it was the greed of the biker punks and their unwillingness to share that caused everything to go to hell, but the main characters were greedy in their own way too. They did not want to share initially, then they wanted nothing more than some additional companionship. In 04 you have this new mix of ideas. The characters within the mall take on both roles from the first film. There is also this cuthroat every man for himself idea that permeates the film, unlike the original, where, eventually, the main group started to work together. There was no work for this new group to do, just sit around and get on each other's nerves. Ultimately, I think that this film has its moments of brilliance. Don't sell it short because of the slick packaging.

[Stash Horak]

Redux loses it for me at the start of act three. Everytime the bimbo redhead rushes out to get the damn dog I start wishing she'd be attacked by those barb-wire wielding inbred rednecks that took her out in that other s**t movie.

Actually, I take that back. I'm with the movie until I remember all they had to do save the gunshop guy was blowtorch a hole in the top of the truck and go get his ass. None of this bulls**t retrofitting of a couple of shortbuses with slots for chainsaws and propane tanks.

This is what happens when they get the guy who wrote Tromeo and Juliet to write this. When Scooby Doo is your best work...you need to step away from the rehash.

All Snyder brings to the dinner table are the French-Canadian Kentucky Fried Chicken containers...

[MADMAN]

Some people like KFC. Besides it was still fun to watch the crossdresser cut the slut from shoulder to hip. :evil:

[Stash Horak]

Hey...I'm all about Col. Chicken. I try to eat it weekly. With lots of Frank's.

I'm also all about the slut. I try to eat her every other weekly. Without the Frank's.

But that still doesn't excuse the little redhead...

[MADMAN]

Hey...I'm all about Col. Chicken. I try to eat it weekly. With lots of Frank's.

I'm also all about the slut. I try to eat her every other weekly. Without the Frank's.

But that still doesn't excuse the little redhead...

How about...she's sorta hot, in a vunerable "shut the f**k up and b**w me" kinda way.

[Stash Horak]

Nope. Maybe when Tia's not around in Relic Hunter. But not as Max Headroom's dog-loving daughter in Redux.

And not with the blond in the room. And I'm not referring to the blond who obviously opens beer bottles with her teeth, either...

[MADMAN]

Nope. Maybe when Tia's not around in Relic Hunter. But not as Max Headroom's dog-loving daughter in Redux.

And not with the blond in the room. And I'm not referring to the blond who obvious opens beer bottles with her teeth, either...

Hey, f-ed up teeth aside, I think she did a good job.

[Stash Horak]

At what? Getting everybody killed?

[zombiekilling101]

And not with the blond in the room. And I'm not referring to the blond who obviously opens beer bottles with her teeth, either...

wtf lol:lol:

[Brody]

It's been awhile since I have chimed in on DOTD 4; I still find it funny that some people 'just don't like it' considering it blows the new LAND out of the water and makes the original DAWN feel like a bunch of film students made it.

The opening sequence alone is worth my price of admission. There hasn't been a single Zombie film with this kind of chaos ever made and this is what zombie films are missing; panic in the streets, explosions, zombies running after people, society just falling apart and breaking down before our eyes. I can still recall the giddy feeling I had when the first chords of Johnny Cash's 'When The Man Comes Around' starts playing; I was knew I was in for a treat after that opening statement.

The characters are some of the better characters in Zombie films; at least they have more substance. Sarah Polley, Jake Weber, Michael Kelly and Ty Burrell are great in this film. It totally sucked they killed off 3 of my favorite 4 characters in this.

Sarah does a nice take on the lead female; not trying to be a ****ing heroin (Lori Cardille) and not exactly being complety worthless (Judith O'Dea and Gaylen Ross); she is cute, she is vulnerable and just seems real.

Jake came across as an unlikely hero; not a macho, hear-me-roar-pound-my chest-kind-of-guy but a real dude; who sold office equiptment or t'v's or something? He has plenty of depth, from manipulating CJ to Lock the doors and take some action to making the statement aboiut being good at being a dad.

Michael is another one who I didn't expect to like so much. Sure, in the beginning he is an asshole but who wouldnt be if a gaggle of people were trying to get into your house during this crisis? Even during this beginning development you can tell something is different about him just by the way he treats his redneck sidekick Bart. I would have rather seen a full transition on him becoming 'Cool with others' however.

Ty is hilarious; such a dic, but someone you don't want to see go. This guy says everything we want to say. He is an asshole, he is self-centered, he wants to get laid during this crisis, he golfs, he's arrogant and he even has a sailboat. He is exactly like the lot of us except we are all torn by morality and doing the right thing. There is a little Ty in all of us.

This film had a great soundtrack (a nice ecclectic mix and selection of songs) and the Score itself is a nice horror track; listen as the film starts and Sarah first looks at the man lying down in the ambulance or listen when she is driving through her neighborhood. Great horror score.

Yeah, the film falls apart somewhat in the third act; the girl getting the dog was just bizarre to even fathom and the ending seems a tad rushed but the film is fun and the ending is ambiguous which always can be good. This film did what no other ZOMBIE film has ever done before; provided us with a Roller Coaster Ride. We all talk about 'What we'd do if the ZOMBIE APACALYPSE started and this film is the first of it's kind to give us some insight into that chaotic beginning.

So now we all sit around and wait for a possible sequel. Not anytime soon from ZACK; he has 2 films lined up into 2007. I'd love to see a sequel as I'm a sucker for the dead.

This film ranks high on my list of favorite zombie films; favorite horror films and makes it into my top-ever in favorite films probally based purely on entertainment level alone.

The fact that some people dont like this but do like RE or any of Romero's stagnant, deliberately paced films is beyond me.

[zombiekilling101]

strangley you got alot of the characters names wrong.

i love this movie, great action, great zombies, and some good characters.. CJ is one bad mother.

[MADMAN]

I like what you say. I agree that this film is excellent and has done things no other mainstream zombie film has. I don't think that RE can really be compared to this. That is a film about a video game that has zombies, this is a film about zombies. As for GAR, he's something like Lucas. A visionary to be sure, but there are more talented film makers.

People cream all over GAR's work because it's him. Land was okay. People like RE because it's RE. In the end, this Dawn is a new animal and people always fear what they don't understand.

I also love the whole opening. I could have done with more. I'm thinking Judgement Night, with zombies, where we actually see the characters have to survive the initial outbreak and the hours that follow.

[zombiekilling101]

[QUOTE=MADMAN]
People cream all over GAR's work because it's him. Land was okay. People like RE because it's RE. In the end, this Dawn is a new animal and people always fear what they don't understand.
QUOTE]

i "cream" over it cause the movies are badass, its the same with Sam Raimi, i love the evil dead trilogy cause there freakin great, but that doesnt mean i have to love his big ass budget spider man movies.. there good.. but im not going to drool over them just cause he made one of my favortie moives of all time

[MADMAN]

i "cream" over it cause the movies are badass, its the same with Sam Raimi, i love the evil dead trilogy cause there freakin great, but that doesnt mean i have to love his big ass budget spider man movies.. there good.. but im not going to drool over them just cause he made one of my favortie moives of all time


But, unlike most of the fodder that flocks to the theatre on Friday night, you, my friend, have a brain. I'm talking about the critics mostly, who couldn't think their way out of a room with three walls. And those people who make their decisions based on what's cool, or what's in. And let's face it, GAR is considered cool by the indie underground. Now, I'm not saying he shouldn't be, I'm just saying that's how it is.

[Brody]

strangley you got alot of the characters names wrong.


No; I'm referring to the actors that play them.

[Stash Horak]

Romero's best work is still Knightriders. And I'd give second to The Crazies, which is simply the more disturbing film in his career. Bar none. Dawn is the best of his zombie movies.

But other than that...Romero is a very mediocre filmmaker who can blame only himself of the lack of support he has had over the years. I'm not saying he should sell out or compromise his artistic integrity...but I'm sure if he was more flexable and had less of an ego he'd be making more movies.

Carpenter...Hooper...Romero...it's their own damn fault.

As for Dawn Redux, I agree with Madman. It should have been more like Judgment Night.

Cause every movie needs more Emilio Estevez...

[Brody]

Well put.

Romero is simply a hack filmmaker to me; for sake of creating a cult classic. And his EGO has gotten in the way more than one time. Wasn't he originally onboard the Resident Evil film until EGO took over?

I can not agree more on the Tobe Hooper and John Carpenter take.

I love zombies; but Romero is "Eh. Average."

The Crazies; a very strange film. I hear there is remake in the works?

[zombiekilling101]

No; I'm referring to the actors that play them.


i stand corrected.

yeah there is a remake in the works.. that movie is the least favorite of the romero films i have seen.

[corgi37]

I didnt mind the Crazies. It was ok. Stupid title though.

I reckon Bruiser was his worst. Just terrible crap.

[zombiekilling101]

I didnt mind the Crazies. It was ok. Stupid title though.

I reckon Bruiser was his worst. Just terrible crap.

ive never seen Bruiser. I think the crazies had alot of creepy scenes, like where the townspeople are going nuts, but didnt deliver the goods for the type of pshyco movie it was.

[Stash Horak]

I felt the same way when I first saw The Crazies as a kid. Years later...and I mean like 20 years later...I felt a whole lot differently about it. I love the ultimate fatalism on display. The tone and mood of the film, especially in the last ten minutes, is incredible.

And I thought it was the only other case - besides Dawn - where Romero's love of casting unknowns actually worked out.

As much as I love it...I'm sure the remake will be a much tighter and better made film...

[corgi37]

I agree. It would not hurt to re-make it at all.

[Undead Holocaust]

Why be against Snyder and a Dawn 2? The hard-to-swallow fact is simple: Romero was outdone by a much younger counterpart, both fans and critics thought much more highly of the Dawn remake. And it's outgrossed Land of The Dead by almost 5 times. Time for a new kid on the block. Romero's Land of The Dead barely stood on its own two feet. And im pretty sure the only reason Romero did this movie was due to the huge success of Dawn 2004. And let's not forget, Romero and Savini gave their blessing for that remake, it's not like Snyder stole it or something. Fact is, I cannot WAIT for a Dawn of The Dead 2. The character development in Land of The Dead was about as creative as Star Wars Episode 1. hollow. Now if we can get Danny Boyle and Zack Snyder to make a movie together, that would be something special.

[zombiekilling101]

Why be against Snyder and a Dawn 2? The hard-to-swallow fact is simple: Romero was outdone by a much younger counterpart, both fans and critics thought much more highly of the Dawn remake. And it's outgrossed Land of The Dead by almost 5 times. special.

the majority of fans here like the original better. Money at the boxoffice doesnt mean shit if its a good film or not.

[Stash Horak]

I can honestly say that I'd rather see a Dawn Redux sequel than another Romero sequel. Land was just a little too much 'Greatest Hits' for me...

[MADMAN]

I have to reiterate, this Dawn is a new animal. It is very different from Romero's version. It stands on it's own IMO as a good film. While I am not a huge fan of the sprinters, I like that they went in a different direction. Personally, I am looking forward to the sequel, just as I was looking forward to Land, which left me just a tad unsatisfied.

[Stash Horak]

The sequel will follow Champs the Dog as he wanders around the zombie infested island, looking for his companions.

Which have all been killed thanks to Universal not locking Ving Rhames and Sarah 'The Teeth' Polly to sequel options.

[MADMAN]

It ain't like Sarah's doing anything else. And Vhing is...well Vhing.

[Stash Horak]

Yeah and Ving is doing both the new Kojack and the next Mission Impossible.

Like I said...Champs the Dog...

[outkast]

I thought it was Chips?

[corgi37]

Champs? CHAMPS? lol.

[cyclogenisis]

that thing was horrible

[Brody]

They should have shot that bitch the second she got out of the truck.

[Stash Horak]

You're right...it was Chips. But it should have been Champs.

[onehappyzombie]

I think you'll find a lot of fans of the remake here. DotD 78 was and still is a masterpiece, but the remake was still a damn good movie.
i loved the remake of dawn fo the dead, but i havent sen the original. I wanna see why allot of people didnt like th eremake.

[jackskellington]

i loved the remake of dawn fo the dead, but i havent sen the original. I wanna see why allot of people didnt like th eremake.

Are you serious?!! Dawn 78 is phenomenol and a must see, not only for fans of the zombie genre, but for horror fans period! I thought the remake was awesome as well, but the original is gonna blow you away! I'm kind of jealous of someone who gets to watch it for the first time...Have fun and let us know what you think!

[zombiekilling101]

i loved the remake of dawn fo the dead, but i havent sen the original. I wanna see why allot of people didnt like th eremake.

wohoo, dont get too many virgins on the board:)

[onehappyzombie]

Are you serious?!! Dawn 78 is phenomenol and a must see, not only for fans of the zombie genre, but for horror fans period! I thought the remake was awesome as well, but the original is gonna blow you away! I'm kind of jealous of someone who gets to watch it for the first time...Have fun and let us know what you think!
yeah i wanna buy it realLLY SOON!! maybe in 3 or 4 days, or tommrow if i get a chance. Just oneproblem, ive ehard there is around 4 versions, and im running short on $$. i have around $26.

[Chibi]

hmm i think when u say 4 versions u mean directors cuts and normal theater versions etc hehe in england i got the uncut Gore/scenes so it was the complete film for only £ 5 pound on dvd :D
u cud always try downloading it from livewire or something like that but they always a pain if u even ever get the thing ur after and isnt some idiot renaming it, like i downloaded Undead and got a long long bloody australian kids show with puppets.....but not to say that wasnt good too :D

[onehappyzombie]

Are you serious?!! Dawn 78 is phenomenol and a must see, not only for fans of the zombie genre, but for horror fans period! I thought the remake was awesome as well, but the original is gonna blow you away! I'm kind of jealous of someone who gets to watch it for the first time...Have fun and let us know what you think!
yeah i wanna buy it realLLY SOON!! maybe in 3 or 4 days, or tommrow if i get a chance. Just oneproblem, ive ehard there is around 4 versions, and im running short on $$. i have around $26.

[zombiekilling101]

yeah i wanna buy it realLLY SOON!! maybe in 3 or 4 days, or tommrow if i get a chance. Just oneproblem, ive ehard there is around 4 versions, and im running short on $$. i have around $26.

well if you live in the us. theres only goign to be 2 dvds around. 1 thats a single disc from anchor bay that runs for 20 bucks. and the ultimate editions (40-50bucks) whcih has all the versions your talking about. im pretty sure the sincle disc has the us theatrical release

[onehappyzombie]

well if you live in the us. theres only goign to be 2 dvds around. 1 thats a single disc from anchor bay that runs for 20 bucks. and the ultimate editions (40-50bucks) whcih has all the versions your talking about. im pretty sure the sincle disc has the us theatrical release
whats teh difference between them all? Whats with all the versionS?

[zombiekilling101]

whats the difference between them all? Whats with all the versionS?

the ones in the ultimate edition have..

1) theatrical us realease
2) uncut release
3) eruopean release (its butchered up)

my mistake theres only 3 versions out there.. the 4th dvd is the docomentary one

[onehappyzombie]

well if you live in the us. theres only goign to be 2 dvds around. 1 thats a single disc from anchor bay that runs for 20 bucks. and the ultimate editions (40-50bucks) whcih has all the versions your talking about. im pretty sure the sincle disc has the us theatrical release
whats teh difference between them all? Whats with all the versionS?

[Slumlord]

Just go for the single disc version. US theatrical is the best version I thought. Euro was too truncated and extended version had alot of music missing and the additional footage is a few scenes you'll never miss. I haven't watched the documentary stuff yet so that might be cool.

i have around $26.

Well, I think I paid like $25-$30 for Ultimate Edition at Circuit City so you could just save up a few more bucks and grab it.

[zombiekilling101]

Just go for the single disc version. US theatrical is the best version I thought. Euro was too truncated and extended version had alot of music missing and the additional footage is a few scenes you'll never miss. I haven't watched the documentary stuff yet so that might be cool.



Well, I think I paid like $25-$30 for Ultimate Edition at Circuit City so you could just save up a few more bucks and grab it.

yeah the doco stuff is great.

[onehappyzombie]

For anyone and everyone which liked these films, here to discuss!!

[Brody]

There you go; well done.

I love it. He id a fine job (as has been discussed to death). I welcome him back to the genre as I am sure he will do fine.

[onehappyzombie]

hehe i thought since there was an anti one i thought id start a pro one.

[corgi37]

Has Dawn2 been green lit or something?

[Emperor]

hehe i thought since there was an anti one i thought id start a pro one.

Ah yes but the majority of people actually positng to that thread reckoned he'd done quite a good job really.

With that in mind will this thread become the thread for people to badmouth him?

Too confusing.

[Pain]

Has Dawn2 been green lit or something?

Not as far as i am aware. The last news i heard on it was the end of last year. And all that said was that Zach Snyder will again direct, but the screenwriter would be different.

[onehappyzombie]

i think so

[Morbidfilm]

I thought the Dawn remake was great, so I'll definately see the next one.

[eardrumbuz]

i liked the movie a lot. i didn't mind the running zombies. i think it's funny when people criticize things like that (and smart zombies) and go on to explain how it ruins the realism because of the decaying body parts, etc, etc... and yet they have no problem believing that corpses are returning to life and eating people. all i need to believe is that the thing i'm looking at on screen (visually) belongs there. the science of it doesn't matter to me. as for the filmmaking, i prefer latex prosthetics to cgi. as good as some of the new cgi effects are, i still go for the old fashioned stuff any day. and fact is, cgi just isn't quite good enough yet (the explosion in the parking lot) to take the place of traditional techniques. shaun of the dead may be the exception (girl in the garden)... those effects were pretty darn good. anyway, the make-up in dotd 2004 was incredible. the acting was good, and we had characters we cared about right from the first few minutes.

my biggest complaint about this one has more to do with the fans than the creators. i'd like to se a sequel as much as the next guy, but i can't believe so many think there were survivors at the end AND want the next film to be about those people. i really don't think the end credits leave us with any hope for the people on the boat. to me, it was a pretty clear statement that they were done for and we just weren't going to see it. it would be pretty lame to make up some way for them to get away from the island at that point. if that's what zack snyder has in mind, his solution better be a damn good one.

[guerrilla]

i loved the film, the running zombies, and would love to see a sequel.

i don't see why its hard to believe they couldn't have escaped. why couldn't they have jumped off the boat and swam? i would bet those zombies can't swim. where would they swim to? heck if i know. maybe another boat comes along, or maybe they head back to the boat with the cooler in it that they passed. but to be honest, i don't care if the next DOTD04 has the same characters or not. i'm a zombie fan and it really doesn't matter to me who the characters are, as long as the film is pretty good and it isn't House of the Dead. i didn't really care for any of the survivors left except sara polley. bring them back, don't bring them, whatever. i just want to see more zombies on the big screen.

[The Blind Dead]

i just want to see more zombies on the big screen.
I definitely agree.

[vivafletcher]

I must be doing something wrong. I don't hate the DOTD remake or LOTD.

The remake made a lot more than Romero's latest, but it had four times the budget, too. I think what Romero did with the money is pretty good for Hollywood these days. Decent special effects and I knew some of the actors in the movie. You don't see that for $15 million anymore.

I guess the part about the remake that didn't work for me was their rationale for leaving. They didn't want to die there? They didn't look uncomfortable or low on food or water. It didn't make sense to take that risk for...an island with no amenities. Maybe a scene where they were out of food or something would have made more sense.

Finally, I think that the remake had the benefit of having a better time in the zombie universe to work with. The fall of civilization, the confusion and the chaos are interesting and rich with possibilities. But who besides Romero explores the world decades later, when things aren't as "scary?" When people are dealing with the zombies and are accustomed to their presence?

I admit it might not be as engaging for a regular audience...but for zombie lovers it's a scenario that is finally being addressed. That alone earns some points in my book. I like the idea of taking it a little bit further. It's something different, and while it might not be as popular I think it was a good effort.

Love this site, btw. :clap:

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I took out the "Anti" and "Pro" and merged both threads. Love it or hate it, discuss here.

[dudethatlikeszombies]

I'm all for a sequel, but I don't know about having the same characters from the first in it again. Like someone said, if Snyder decides to do so, he better have a pretty good reason why it is that they survived.

Maybe, the army showed up or...maybe a platoon came from underground...wink, wink.

[onehappyzombie]

i liked the movie a lot. i didn't mind the running zombies. i think it's funny when people criticize things like that (and smart zombies) and go on to explain how it ruins the realism because of the decaying body parts, etc, etc... and yet they have no problem believing that corpses are returning to life and eating people. all i need to believe is that the thing i'm looking at on screen (visually) belongs there. the science of it doesn't matter to me. as for the filmmaking, i prefer latex prosthetics to cgi. as good as some of the new cgi effects are, i still go for the old fashioned stuff any day. and fact is, cgi just isn't quite good enough yet (the explosion in the parking lot) to take the place of traditional techniques. shaun of the dead may be the exception (girl in the garden)... those effects were pretty darn good. anyway, the make-up in dotd 2004 was incredible. the acting was good, and we had characters we cared about right from the first few minutes.

my biggest complaint about this one has more to do with the fans than the creators. i'd like to se a sequel as much as the next guy, but i can't believe so many think there were survivors at the end AND want the next film to be about those people. i really don't think the end credits leave us with any hope for the people on the boat. to me, it was a pretty clear statement that they were done for and we just weren't going to see it. it would be pretty lame to make up some way for them to get away from the island at that point. if that's what zack snyder has in mind, his solution better be a damn good one.
i acatually thought the running zombies were awesome.
The :science" behind xzombirs, they are either:
People who just died, came back to life, so parts of their body work (and others may decay)
or
They died, and they are decaying,all their body is decayinga nd somehow they are moving and living.



I literally just copied the other threads title, and removed anti, and put pro.

[chickenchop1]

I totally agree with SE on this one. :clap:

If the producers of the film decided to use the name "Dawn," then so what? If that's what had to be done to help turn a profit?.... then so be it. If it wasn't for the success of Dawn 04', I doubt George would've been given he opportunity go ahead with his LOTD project. ;-) :2cents:

I agree. If you compare DOTD 78 to DOTD 04, they're two very different movies, with different characters, motivations, etc. Even the zombies are different, running vs walking.

I prefer the 78 DOTD thanks to the great story, range of scenarios, locations, zombies and characters. DOTD 04 is cool, and Zach Snyder seems to have only used the title and the general plot of zombies attacking the mall. I would've given it a new name if I was him, but it drew the established fans in.

Dawn of the Dead 78 is a good movie, period. Nothing can change that. The only pain in the ass is having to put a 78 at the end when referring to it.

I look forward to DOTD 2, but I also want to see LOTD 2, where Riley and his crew head into the dead land on their quest for a "safe" place to live.

[Divided Soul]

I think the ending of LOTD leads more into a TV series type of sequal, like for Sci-fi. I don't think it is major movie material. I really liked LOTD but I don't see anything good coming out of a LOTD2 (big movie)

[chickenchop1]

I think the ending of LOTD leads more into a TV series type of sequal, like for Sci-fi. I don't think it is major movie material. I really liked LOTD but I don't see anything good coming out of a LOTD2 (big movie)

I agree, that based on the earnings, Land of the Dead 2 wouldn't be the best idea for theatrical release (Land should've been released October 21 instead/Halloween). I do hope another Romero Dead film is made, straight to DVD instead. Why DVD instead of theaters? It's cheaper and doesn't involve the MPAA cutting up his film/less studio meddling. Will it be the budget he's looking for? Is he willing to go straight to DVD, or at least a limited theatrical run like Undead?

Only George knows, and last he said, he'd drop everything and make Land of the Dead 2 if it did well at the box office... Okay, it didn't do that great, but look at the blockbusters it was up against. I still hope he makes one more Dead film before he joins the living dead. (64 years old last time I checked.)

[Bad Zombie Night]

I agree. If you compare DOTD 78 to DOTD 04, they're two very different movies, with different characters, motivations, etc. Even the zombies are different, running vs walking.

I prefer the 78 DOTD thanks to the great story, range of scenarios, locations, zombies and characters. DOTD 04 is cool, and Zach Snyder seems to have only used the title and the general plot of zombies attacking the mall. I would've given it a new name if I was him, but it drew the established fans in.
I too prefer Dawn 78' over Dawn 2004, but each are excellent Zombie films in their own right... Aside from each story involving a bunch of people hiding from the Living Dead in a shopping mall, I see Dawn 78' as more of a drama oriented horror film, and Dawn 2004 as action one... It's analogous to the Rocky films, where by Dawn 78' is the first Rocky film, and Dawn 2004 is more liken to Rocky III.



Dawn of the Dead 78 is a good movie, period. Nothing can change that. The only pain in the ass is having to put a 78 at the end when referring to it.

I kind of agree with you there... Each film deserves to be recognized outright by its own distinct title, without including that year notation at the end of them... It's a pain sometimes, having to make that distinction that every time.

[Brody]

Well said bad zombie nightI agree.:drinking:

[Zombielover]

I think it's clear that Snyder really cared about the source material. The "remake" could have sucked badly and I expected it to but it was great. All the nods to the original I thought were classy and cool. Psyched for his next film!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Psyched for his next film!
Good or bad I hope there will be a another film... The waters have been calm for quite a while now.

[corgi37]

Maybe LOTD's low takings in the U.S. will bring a halt to any sequel.

[MADMAN]

Maybe LOTD's low takings in the U.S. will bring a halt to any sequel.


I doubt it. I think that Universal new GAR was going to get his ass handed to him. I don't know why you'd want to release a GAR Dead movie in the summer. Dawn '04 did well enough on its own to warrant a sequel.

I think that Land will pick up some much needed momentum in DVD release, definitely. But Dawn 2 will most likely be made regardless of the status of Land.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Maybe LOTD's low takings in the U.S. will bring a halt to any sequel.
But perhaps a strong Australian turn out at the box office could shift the momentum in the other direction. :mrgreen:

Is it possible corgi, that you could go see Land 10,000,000 times? GAR would appreciate it very much.

[goesaround]

Actually Europe and the land down under will boost Land alot! The political message will go over big time where here at home we all ready saw Michael Moore already and wanted more zombie entertainment. I think it will be the opposite over seas. In fact I saw Land in America and then I saw it in Montreal Canada. The French Canadians packed the theatre and cheered the movie. The same will happen in Europe! Dissappointed as I am I hope so for George

[ZOMBATCommand]

I liked what Snyder did with his "Dawn", I just think they should not have called it "Dawn" and came up with another name. Now it will forever be associated with Romero's films, when it shouldn't have been.

I read that Snyder wanted to do a sequel to Romero's "Day of the Dead" which makes no sense at all, I mean Romero just did that with "Land". But we are dealing with HollyWeird here people. If they think a movie will turn a profit they'll do it.

[Brody]

I don't have a probelm with the name Dawn of the Dead. It had been 25 years since the last one so I'm not stressing it. I believe it definately stands on it's own two feet and is a wonderful zombie/horror film in it's own right; in fact, one of the best in the bunch. They could have called it Zombie Apacalypse and I would still be happy.

Now....

corgi37
Maybe LOTD's low takings in the U.S. will bring a halt to any sequel.

Huh? A sequel to what? Surely you mean LAND"S chump ass excuse for a zombie film flop will bring a halt to any ROMERO involved sequel.

DAWN 04 rocked Land's world. It hand's Land's ass on a plate. The opening sequence of DAWN 04 is worth the price of admission.

I mean this in jest so don't take it as a literal assualt please:

Are you on some Romero Pimp Crusade? Take off the Rose Colored Goggles for 2 seconds; LAND is a flop and DAWN 04 surpasses all expectations.

Your myopia is unbelievable. :x :clap:

What we need is another ZACH SNYDER or Danny Boyle take on the genre. Who else do we have? Uwe Bolle and his crap? My 5 year can make better films that Uwe.

Bring me a ZACH sequel. That zombie film kicks ass! :drinking:

[Bad Zombie Night]

I liked what Snyder did with his "Dawn", I just think they should not have called it "Dawn" and came up with another name. Now it will forever be associated with Romero's films, when it shouldn't have been.

I think the average movie goer sees Dawn 2004 as a horror film, possibly a Zombie film, and nothing else... Those who know Romero, readily recognize his work, regardless of how many of his films are remade.

[Darth Erroneous]

Is it me, or does anyone else notice the green tint whenever its really dark in DOTD 04. I've played it on different TV's and it looks the same no matter how I adjust the screen.

[Brody]

Green Tint?

Yeah; it's just the CC

[Darth Erroneous]

Green Tint?

Yeah; it's just the CC

CC? What's that?

[Brody]

Just color-correction.

[Darth Erroneous]

Just watched it again last night. Gotta love the scene when the box truck is backing up and rams the four zombies. I rewind it just to see their heads explode on the truck. :evil:

[Darth Erroneous]

Wasn't this thread at one time called "The Anti Zack Snyder" thread?

[Pain]

I took out the "Anti" and "Pro" and merged both threads. Love it or hate it, discuss here.


Yes it was! :evil:

[Darth Erroneous]

Yes it was! :evil:
Thanks, Pain! For a minute I though these magic mushrooms were doing something to me and my gang of Spanish courier pigeons!

[Ellis]

Is their any news on Two yet? I really want to know if its going to be made, the remake was a swell film.

[corgi37]

My bet is no. The window of opportunity has passed.

[jackskellington]

Hate to say it, but I agree with you on that Corgi. I think the revival has run it's course and we're gonna have to go back to another decade of straight to video cheap ass movies. But hey! At least then we don't have to wait so long right? There's a bit of morbid poetic justice and irony in the fact that the man who started it all, (GAR), ended it all just as quickly.

[as_i_lay_dying]

I honestly don't know why people hate zach snyder for remaking dawn of the dead. I mean yea, the original is a masterpiece and what not, and GAR is the man of all men. But for the love of god, Dawn04 is still a really good zombie movie. And I have said this before the reason you are here is for your love for zombies.Zombies are zombies? And besides just think of this as just another zombie movie, cuz the only thing simular about the remake is being in a mall?

[Bad Zombie Night]

My bet is no. The window of opportunity has passed.

GAR's Land of the Dead ruined it for everybody.

[benaiah]

its looking like there will be a legitimate sequel to the story, ie picking up where the other characters left off... thats too bad, the ending was so shocking and horrifying id hate to see that undone. id rather we see parallel storys - other places where this is going on too

[Darth Erroneous]

its looking like there will be a legitimate sequel to the story, ie picking up where the other characters left off... thats too bad, the ending was so shocking and horrifying id hate to see that undone. id rather we see parallel storys - other places where this is going on too
I don't see how Snyder or anyone else could make us believe that anyone from DOTD 04 could survive the ending. Although I would like to see a continuation of that storyline, I too believe that parallel stories would be just as good...but not scripted as well! (F*ck ya'll! - Kenneth)

[Bad Zombie Night]

id rather we see parallel storys - other places where this is going on too
I'd like to see that done with NOTLD, Dawn (78') & Day... But sure, hopefully Dawn 04' will go in that direction.

[zombiekilling101]

I'd like to see that done with NOTLD, Dawn (78') & Day... But sure, hopefully Dawn 04' will go in that direction.

that would be really great.. someone should make a shorts dvd. like the fangoria blood drive thing, yet better..

I wrote a short called the Quick and the Dead (i know i have to change the title) thats set in the dawn remake world.

[Bad Zombie Night]

that would be really great.. someone should make a shorts dvd. like the fangoria blood drive thing, yet better..
I wish someone would do their own thing, or GAR could take a step back, and make another movie, but set in the past... Knowing him though, he would want to keep pushing forward... What's the next step? Zombie geniuses perhaps?

I wrote a short called the Quick and the Dead (i know i have to change the title) thats set in the dawn remake world.
Cool! Definitely... Does it have running Zombies in it?