Land of the Dead Review Thread *Spoilers*

[zombie2005]

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June 24th Is Here YESSSSSS Geez time flew by anyways read below

Rules

1. Only Post Here if you seen the movie and want to give it your review
Do Not post anything else here ONLY REVIEW COMMENTS

2. State how many stars it should recive 1 to 5 Stars only

3. Rate Gore 1. ok 2. very good. 3. Great

4. Write what you liked and did not like

5. Is the story Good?

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time?

Again only post if you seen the movie and want to write your review

[zombiekilling101]

ok just got back from seeing it with chris (nirvroxx). And it is an instant classic, this to me is the best directed and written out of all the Romero movies i have ever lain eyes upon. Im not sure if its as good as dawn though.

Well guys, i know it just opened in the theater, but this is a classic now.

[mr.orange]

When ZK101 told me about the midnight showing i checked out my aera and there was one for me also! This movie ****ing ruled,it is my new favorite zombie/horror/action movie. The begining credits and zombie shot is so damn creepy! What can i say? I loved this movie!

[SGT. DEATH]

Im glad some one done a poll but I cant vote just yet,may be in 2 or 3months. :cry: I glad yous love the movie it should pave the way for more movies like Dawn remake part 2 and 28 weeks later and may even helptheir budgets expand.But what also interest me what was the attendance like?
Was there a huge audience?
Did they seem to enjoy this movie?
And will yous return to see it again?
:clap: :drinking:
Oh yes was it scarey?

[The Blind Dead]

I saw it. It was good. It was nowhere near a classic in my opinion. It's a shame but it could be the worst shit in the world and zombie fans will claim it's classic anyhow out of respect for Romero's name and to avoid derision from other GAR heads.

It was good. Hopefully, the films garners enough money to warrant the suggested "new" trilogy being proposed. Perhaps it's time to let some others writers and directors tackle the next few.

[nirvroxx]

what a gooood movie....definetly in my top 10, top 5 for that matter...im gonna go watch it again :drinking:

[Bastard Turtle]

Not an instant classic? How so?

[zombiekilling101]

It was good. Hopefully, the films garners enough money to warrant the suggested "new" trilogy being proposed. Perhaps it's time to let some others writers and directors tackle the next few.

oh no, if the movie was bad, i would have thought it was bad.. and what! romero not making these movies would just be... dumb.

[Normality]

Here was a quick review I wrote after seeing the movie at midnight last night! Forgive me if it is messy.

http://www.zombienormality.com/wp/?page_id=12

[nirvroxx]

this movie has instant clasic written all over it! when it come to zombie movies, this is one of the best! and i'm not saying this because its a GAR movie...its just a really well made zombie flick. it wouldnt have mattered who made it...a good movie is a good movie.

[Ellis]

Great review, getting me even more pumped to go see it.

[The Blind Dead]

what! romero not making these movies would just be... dumb.
Unwavering, devotion aside, even "legends" can direct duds (I'm glaring at your Bruiser!!). Some of the greatest directors in modern cinema have allowed others into their franchises in order to bring something new to the table with new directing styles or new ideas in the screenplay process.

[FroDish]

I give it an 8/10.

I felt the resolution was a tad rushed and would of liked to see a less concentrated, more immense massacre. And I felt it could of been much, much gorier. But everything else about it can be summed up with: "OMFG, YES." Romero is a friggin' master, his direction is brilliant.

Let me just add in that I dug the way it worked off a lot of the concepts that had been brought up in Day, the whole intellegence and re-learning things issue.. Day still remains my favorite in the series :)

OMFG, JOHN LEGUIZOMBIE!

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

Just got back from seeing it at 1:10 central time, and it was pretty awesome for a zombie movie.

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

1. Ok, check.

2. That's a weird question as a zombie movie 5/5, as a movie 3/5

3. Quality 3, Quantity 2 ( I am sure that will be fixed on the dvd)

4. I liked the whole thing for the most part just had a bunch of nit picks:

-The zombies were a little too smart in my opinion example: big daddy going specifically after hopper's character, and then killing him in an extremely complicated way

-too many zombies killing humans, as opposed to killing them by eating them

-how did big daddy manage to survive when he was always in front

-how come the zombies didn't eat all those people at the end, they just walked away, were they full?

-probably more but overall the movie was pretty kickass and satisfied my zombie lust


5. The story is alright, probably better then I could come up with.

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time? HELL NO! Besides everybody knows Night of the Living Dead '68 is the greatest zombie movie of all time :), to answer the question more directly, I think I like LotD more then DotD right now, because LotD is so new but that will probably change.

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

Well any movie directed by Romero is going to be an instant classic within the zombie sub-genre. As far as movies in general, I don't think the AFI is going to go too crazy over this film.

As far as attendance goes, I caught this film at a 1:10 matinee, and was literally the only person in the theater until the last 10 minutes when some guy and his 10 or 12 year old son came in. I believe this was the first screening of the film for at least a 30 mile radius.

[Kemper]

4 out of 5 stars

Gore- 3

It was too short overall...and the ending was a sequal ending. The characters were really fun to watch and i cared about them. It was very humorous. The Zombie violence was excellent if a little dark.

They story was great...it just needed more fleshing out. I like these people.

Should it take over for Dawn...no because it isn't Dawn. In many way i enjoyed it more because it kept moving and didn't bog down. Neck and Neck for me...I think it will matter what mood i'm in.

If you don't like this movie you got issues :) just kidding. I watched batman right after it and this movie is 10 times better.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

It's opening night and I've already had to merge three review related threads. Come on guys.

To quote JV, in his request regarding LotD threads about a month ahead of time:


I don't know how many of you guys were here when DOTD '04 came out, but there was an overload on threads about it. I would delete or merge 1 and 5 more would pop up. All I am asking is if you guys will search through the threads already made before you start up a new one.

[Arson Zombie]

I thought it was very good flick. One little complaint though. Should have been more zombies. It looked like the city army dudes could have handeled the amount of zombies that were attacking. I know it's a little thing, but it still bugged me. Awsome gore, and a lot of good head shots...
Two thumbs up :drinking:

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Make that four. Sorry, BZN, for accidently replacing your poll with another...this is what happens when , well, when this happens. Seriously, my apologies.

I've stickied this. No one should miss it. Any other review type threads will be deleted, because, well, it's easier.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Make that four. Sorry, BZN, for accidently replacing your poll with another...this is what happens when , well, when this happens. Seriously, my apologies.

I've stickied this. No one should miss it. Any other review type threads will be deleted, because, well, it's easier.

No offense taken.... I knew there was a strong possibility that my poll would either be locked, deleted, or merged... I deleted my introductory post that was merged into this thread, because it sounded very awkward here. :mrgreen:

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Thanks for your understanding. ;-)

[nirvroxx]

i reallly liked it...just had a couple of gripes though...after the zombies attacked the command post (when they nock down the chainlink fence), no bodies were lying around, and several zombies were clearly shot in the area...
why was cholo decayed if he had only been dead for a couple of hours?(assuming it took a couple of hours to get to kaufman)
big daddy was waaay to smart...
and why the hell didnt hey mow down the zombies crossing the overpass in the end??
"they're trying to find someplace to go?" what kind of an excuse is that for not shooting them? they just killed a bunch of your buddies and overran your city!

ok,ok...sorry for the rant....but besides that, the movie ruled! :clap:

[Bad Zombie Night]

i reallly liked it...just had a couple of gripes though...after the zombies attacked the command post (when they nock down the chainlink fence), no bodies were lying around, and several zombies were clearly shot in the area...
why was cholo decayed if he had only been dead for a couple of hours?(assuming it took a couple of hours to get to kaufman)
big daddy was waaay to smart...
and why the hell didnt hey mow down the zombies crossing the overpass in the end??
"they're trying to find someplace to go?" what kind of an excuse is that for not shooting them? they just killed a bunch of your buddies and overran your city!

ok,ok...sorry for the rant....but besides that, the movie ruled! :clap:
I feel the same way you do about it nirvroxx.... Don't get me wrong, it was a quality film, and I included it in my top 10 Zombie films... I just had some of the same issues you did about it.

Btw... What do you think the title of the sequel will be?
"The Adventures of Dead Reckoning," maybe?

[MasterOfPuppets]

Land of the Dead 4.5 out of 5
Gore- 2.5 out 0f 3. GAR had his hands tied really. He did alot with what he had to work with I say.
What i really liked about land of the dead was really the camera shots. I really enjoyed when big daddy was teaching the butcher how to use his cleaver and smashes a hole through the wall, revealing fiddlers green on the other side. Really nice shot over the shoulder. The shots from fiddlers green from the start right through to the end were really nicely done. The gore was sufficent really. Wasnt too much but chances are we should see some extra slapped on the DVD when it comes out. The neagative parts of this movie is that, well, these zombies just seemed too smart. I know the whole evolution of the zombies through night,dawn and day was bound to lead to this, but this fast? Bub's could shoot a gun in Day right? He wasnt exactly the best shooter out there, but he could shoot the damn thing. Then all the sudden, they can shoot automatic rifles with enough accuracy to kill a man/women. It just seemed to fast of an evolution for me, but oh well. The positives reallllly out weighed the basically one negative so this movie really was an instant hit for me.
The story really held me troughout the whole movie. The characters were so likeable and the way they all interacted really carried the story along alot. Cholo was great and so was Riley. The constant conflict between their two characters really set the tone for the whole movie.
Should land of the dead take over dawn of the dead? No way in hell! Dawn of the dead is a "certified" classic and its been around for some time now. Dawn had its time then and its still lives on now.Its a classic and always will be. Time will tell if land can pull off the same thing.

[Morbidfilm]

I loved it. It entertained the hell out of me. I'd give it a 4 out of 5 & 3 for gore. I don't think the movie was as good as Dawn. The main problem with the film is the lack of character development. I would expect Georges directors cut to be about 2 1/2 hours long. I think the R rating and Universal most likely tampering with the film may have hurt it a bit.
But as a zombie film, it is awesome! I loved Savini's cameo also.

[Slumlord]

2. State how many stars it should recive 1 to 5 Stars only

****

3. Rate Gore 1. ok 2. very good. 3. Great

3 - I'm giving it a 3 because it's damn good with todays restrictions. That and they really looked like a bunch of decayed corpses not just a bunch of people painted grey.


4. Write what you liked and did not like

Y'know with as awesome as zombies are, there is only so much you can do with them. Sure you can throw more of 'em on screen but that's not very innovative. I didn't mind Big Daddy being able to put 2 and 2 together rather quickly while watching the movie. He's one in a million, zombies have to have a leader eventually and not one that mutates like Abooooooot Hayyyyyyyyesssss.

The thing I had trouble adjusting to was how strong they were. I re-watched Dawn of the Dead and the zombies there were easily knocked down and rather frail almost like a good stiff breeze would knock them over. Now, in Land of the Dead, we've got a shambling butcher with a cleaver that starts putting some backbone into chopping down a wall.

Why didn't Kauffman stay in his fortress penthouse? Instead he heads for the garage level and there could've been plethora of 'stenches' down there. Except only Big Daddy followed him. This is the one part I didn't like... you got a posse of the undead following you around because you're using your brain but now when it's time to face the boss no one follows you to go after him.

Loved Leguizamo's line after being bit: "Nah, I always wanted to see how the other half lived."

Zombies realizing... "Hey, we don't have to breathe to live" and jumping into the river to get to town. Classic move.

The main character... forget his name but when he yelled "Everyone's got a story. I don't need to hear yours!" Yes, exactly. I could care less too, just strive to stay alive. I thought that guy was pretty cool and I didn't have to put up with blah, blah, I left such and such behind and my wife died and boo hoo.

5. Is the story Good?

Up till the ending. Didn't care for the ending and I would have wasted every last shambling stench.

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time?

No. Dawn of the Dead is already an established classic. Land of the Dead would also have to withstand the same test of time.

[Rookie]

Okay Rook's review

1.5 Stars

2. 3 On Gore, due to todays restrictions, it was good.

3. I liked how the zombies were not just the slow stupid shamblers from the old movies. Do you guys honestly not think these are better? Whats more scary; a Army of shamblers that have no motivation or skills. Or a army of shamblers that can fire weapons, use blunt weapons and think in a simple manner.
Hands down the zombies are the best of the series, You even get incredibly decayed zombies.

Although Bub still wins in the smart zombie catagory, it was still close. Onlything that lost it for big daddy was the "UGGGHHHH!" he did all the time

I enjoyed the plot, it wasn't just lets escape and survive, Ie Night/Day/Dawn. It actully had another point besides survival, which I think added alot. The character interaction was good, wasn't to overly done as in the original Dawn, but wasn't as tacky as the dawn remake.

It's just the right length, not to long or two short. Another half hour? Another half hour of what? sitting around bitching about "feelings" and crying about their situation? Not to short though. Just right.

It's a Zombie freaking movie not a docu drama.

4. Story was good, actully had a point besides living momment to momment. Good Human Vs. Human conflicts, Human Vs. Supernatural conflicts. I also enjoyed the business man towards the end of the movie, how he saved people from the electric fence. Did he die? or make it? Who knows. Romero did good in the Char picking.

5. Yes, By far it should over take the original Dawn.

1. Zombie wise; Land winds hands down, none of them are pink or blue. Just as many memorable zombies in Land then in Dawn, and no god forsaken nurse zombies. They arn't dumb clods clawing at glass or stumbling down a escalater. Zombie acting is much much better.

I like Savini's cameo as well.

2.The fact that is not as long as the original dawn, Doesn't draw anything out beyond its point. Gives enough info about the characters to make them likeable and to make you care, but doesn't spend a hour and half of them doing their own make up and dancing around for the hell of it.

3. Has a goal besides just sitting and surviving in the mall, Has sub plots and was just a much more complex movie then Dawn, with out getting jumbled up and getting bogged down.

So new ranking system...
1. Day
2.Land.
3.Night 68
4.Night 90
5.Dawn 04.
6. Dawn 78.

[goesaround]

As I just wrote on LOD thread. I am sad as can be. First off I loved that George left out tough guy jokes, making fun of someone jokes, ANY jokes. Now the film was filled with them. The feeling of Spiritual Devine punishhment was missing and so was any science to stimulate the mind. The characters were characters not people.. I am very sad...I'll like it more when I see it again and THERE WERE brilliant bits. I jumped more then once and shouted in fear once and I shouted in glee at the snapping head with whip lash. The opening credits were brilliant .. But I have to say I place it far below the other 3 and it is no way near the true king Night of The Living Dead, no way. The thinking zombies in no way did I feel them to be the undead! Only individual zombies away from 'Big Daddy' had that old Romero brillance and when they did they really did! When I go in a day or two and see it again I know I will like it more...But damn I am dissapointed. I do think the sequel will be excellent. Do you think I feel good writing this. I feel terrible..However I was seriously entertained I just did not feel the chill in my Soul iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[zombiekilling101]

i pretty much had the same problems that nirvroxx had, seeing that we were sitting next to each other freakin hypnotized by the screen:drool:

the opening was freakin great, where we see uniontown for the first time, showing us some great looking zombies, and the zombie band was great.

Oh and guys, they took out the zombie riding the lawnmower, instead we see one later on thats pushing an automatic lawnmower around, and he had a great death.:)

[projectilevomit]

i liked the movie like everone has been saying it could have been better..i was hopping LOD was gonna be that end all be all of zombie movies but oh well...i thought dennis hopper was awsome he was cold hearted but pretty funny in a dark way...besttwo lines to the movie...."zombies, man they creep me out" and.... "oh my god LOOK out" then she shoots the guy in the head

[guerrilla]

to be honest, i love most zombie films. HOTD was shit, glad i skipped seeing that in the theater. besides that crap, i've got a good streak going. seeing all the major zombie films opening day in the last few years. anyway, to the subject at hand.

2. State how many stars it should recive 1 to 5 Stars only

5/5 but probably only because i love zombies and horror... in that order

3. Rate Gore 1. ok 2. very good. 3. Great

the gore was awesome. there were so many good death and feast scenes.

4. Write what you liked and did not like

the comedy was awesome. when Hopper yelled something like "what was that, get down" and then shot the guy he was talking to in the back of the head i just about died laughing. the gore was awesome of course. Asia Argento just plain ruled. the acting was good all around, though i really can't stand john leguizamo (sp?). the political commentary just kicks ass. the rich barricading themselves in and being trapped for an all you can eat gutmunching feast was so freaking cool. i liked the characters. Charlie and pillsbury were awesome.

as far as what i didn't like, there wasn't too much. the biggest complaint i have is I WANT MORE. the ending seemed too rushed. the only real plot hole that bugged was the warning sirens going off at the gates, yet no one in the city knew about them breaching the wall, including the head guys. that seems totally ridiculous to me. i also hated seeing the same zombies all the time. and Savinis cameo kind of sucked. other than those few minor details, the movie kicked ass.

5. Is the story Good?

the story is good, and sadly, i'm afraid that's how it would happen. a few people would control most things in daily life and others would go along with it for protection and food.

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time?

a tough question. there have been so many good zombie films as of late. my favorites being DOTD04, SOTD, and now LOTD from the past year plus, along with the other 2 from my top 5 being DOTD and NOTLD90. should it be the best? probably not, however, i don't think it was any worse than DOTD. it was a different movie, it had that GAR flare of originality that all his films do. the zombies were the only things connecting the 2 films, without them they would be in totally different genres. i won't say LOTD is better than DOTD, but i will also not say DOTD is better than LOTD. Asia Argento made it that much better...

on a final note, i loved it. but of course, i want more. more zombie films in general, but more GAR zombie films specifically. i hope this time it doesnt take a couple decades to happen. see this film.

[tarman]

i would give land of the dead 5 out of 5 stars. positively brilliant.

gore...hmmm i'd say 3 (great) i'm not a huge fan of cgi, so that might have dragged it down to a 2, but! the amount and creativity of the gore was overwhelming. grossest scene: the zombie eating the navel piercing. ugh!

i wrote a little about what i liked in another post and i have to be up in 4 hours, so i'll leave it at this for now.

OMFG, JOHN LEGUIZOMBIE! yesss! that guy rules.

[zombie2005]

3 Stars

I give the Gore a 3

I liked the idea of people building up a city and having a small army protect it from the dead. But Romero could have explained more about the history of the city.

I really did not like the fact of smart zombies, Big Daddy was a bit to smart and seemed to have feeling for other zombies.

Way to much comedy in this one. People in the theater were laughing way to much.

If you did not get why money was used, it as used to keep people in line and people working for goods and services just like today. If there was no money people would help them selfs to anything they want. Get it?

The river to protect the city was terrible, I mean they walked through the river which was supposed to protect them.

In dawn of the dead, it takes atleast 2 days for a victim to die for a small bit but here they di within a hour. Tom Savi appear as the same charactor in dawn of the dead with the blade and biker suit as a zombie.

The movie was way to short. 91 minute total.

The politics used in the movie was very understandable, this time racist against latinos was used and post 9/11 terrosist policys.

Over all, it was a great film

Dawn of the Dead still rules and the greatest zombie movie of all time.

[zombie2005]

Just a quick little note:

No Resident Evil Rock music was used

For those who complaint about the older romero movies and the make up, REMEMBER the years 1968, 1978, 1985. Advancement of monster make up wasn't like it was today.

All but night of the living dead had happy endings open to squeal.

My idea for next romero film is to bring all the surviviors from the last 2 films and add them for the fifth film

[Nonn_azen]

heh, i was one of the first people to see it around my area. Course it wasnt a big deal anymore in the end.
All in all the movie gets 4 *'s , ij ust felt it coulda had more, not too sure yet though, i'll have to wait for the dvd to see if it gives what i expected.

The gore i'll give a 3 on the scale of 1-5, but lets justs say the scale is dumbed down to 1-3 with all the restrictions applied today by good knows what bastard.( May the ravens feast on his/her eyes)

Hm, this movie coulda been alot better in my opinion. Big Daddy was just too smart and emotional (???), he actually cared for other zombies. Where the hell did that come from? In past Romero flicks, the zombies just stumbled about like some of the dumbest retards ever spawned.Altho frail and weaker compared to LotD's zombies, the older Romero zombies pierce fear into my spine a little easier. Being eaten alive slowly is a real Bitch. Now with these new zombies, your chances of getting killed before being fed upon are really high. Not as scary if you ask me.

But i did like alot of the movie too.
All the characters where well played, comedy wasnt too frequent. Cholo's character was one of my fav's, and i liked who they put to play that prostitutes role(The one that gets saved,god i cant remember :poo: !) ,i mostly say this because of the outfit she wore in her first apearance, the kinda gothy look with net wear...:drool:

The story was more then decent, with a few things that bother me here and there, but other than that, excellent.

I've always wanted see a zombie flick that gives a deep view into what happens throughout the world during the zombie outbreak in romero's undead world. Where'd the president run off too? How'd certain families fair? When did the military meet its match and crumble under the masses of undead? and what of the remenants of the army then? Kinda like an extended version of the begining of Dawn of the Dead '04.
I was hoping for a bigger taste of that in LotD, but it hardly mentioned much about the past that we all havent heard already. Oh well, maybe in the DVD.

[Bad Zombie Night]

-how did big daddy manage to survive when he was always in front

Good point! I was thinking the same thing during the film.
Even in military operations, "the point man" statistically carries the highest casualty rate.

[Detroit Dogg]

My idea for next romero film is to bring all the surviviors from the last 2 films and add them for the fifth film YES! This is what I was thinking to! How sweet would it be to have Peter team up with the guys from Day and Land!! Sigh...well I can dream...


~Dre

[Bad Zombie Night]

Y'know with as awesome as zombies are, there is only so much you can do with them. Sure you can throw more of 'em on screen but that's not very innovative. I didn't mind Big Daddy being able to put 2 and 2 together rather quickly while watching the movie. He's one in a million, zombies have to have a leader eventually and not one that mutates like Abooooooot Hayyyyyyyyesssss.
Noooo! Not Abbott Hayes!!! :puke:
Do you think that GAR ripped off Tom Savini?


The thing I had trouble adjusting to was how strong they were. I re-watched Dawn of the Dead and the zombies there were easily knocked down and rather frail almost like a good stiff breeze would knock them over. Now, in Land of the Dead, we've got a shambling butcher with a cleaver that starts putting some backbone into chopping down a wall.
I was thinking that if Ben (Duane Jones) were to teleport into the future, and fight these Zombies hand to hand, he would say: "God Damn! Have you guys been working out, or what?"


Why didn't Kauffman stay in his fortress penthouse? Instead he heads for the garage level and there could've been plethora of 'stenches' down there. Except only Big Daddy followed him. This is the one part I didn't like... you got a posse of the undead following you around because you're using your brain but now when it's time to face the boss no one follows you to go after him.
Good point... Sometimes I think that the Zombies in some of George's movies, are smarter than the people.
The penthouse or upper levels are not that difficult to defend... All you have to do is shut off the elevator, and then barricade the stairway.
Let me guess? Big Daddy is a elevator repair man too. :loon:

[Detroit Dogg]

Damnit BZN how did you find out about Big Daddy being a elevator repair man! I hear hes also a championship poker player and a former Back up dancer for N'sync!*

*Just wait for the Deleted scenes!*
~Dre

[Miss_Zombie]

I'd give it 4.5 out of 5 stars, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it lived up to most of my expectations. As for the gore, I give it a 3. I loved the grenade scene, and also the scene were the the zombie is reaching down the person's throat. There were just a few things that bugged me a little. As someone else said, I felt there should have been more zombies invading the city. It didn't seem like an overwhelming enough number for me. Also, it could have been a little longer. I too was hoping for a kind of explanation as to what had transpired between Day and the present. Not too much longer, maybe 15 minutes or so. The zombies were awesome though, I actually found myself sympathizing with them this time. A definite must see for any zombie fan, I plan to see it again. Can't wait for the DVD!

[Airborne]

I'd give it 3.5 out of 5. It was a fun, action story. Although there were a number of scenes that made me jump, I thought DOTD 04 was the scarier picture. I also didn't like the end where Reilly (sp) just lets the "Dead" go free.

[StompinCharlie]

It was...merely ok. To say it's a classic is beyond me, because it obviously wasn't.

Pros +

- Boobs
- The Sky flowers idea
- Dead Reckoning
- The whole city idea
- Pillsburry
- Some pretty bad ass looking zombies (The priest zombie)

Cons -

-Shitty story
-Terrible actors (except for the one kid who blows his brains out when he gets bit)

-Lack of emotional feeling for any of the characters.

-Zombies shimmied when shot, when (if staying with the original concept of the zombies) they should've just stayed still.

-If this movie was supposed to be a year after Day (which took place in the 70s) why the HELL do they have such advanced weapons/technology? If they just stuck with M16s and hunting rifles instead of M60s, advanced assault rifles, electrical fences and the computer aiming system of dead reckoning, I could've liked it more...

-Idiotic "evil" guy. I mean seriously, Money was worth something? Wtf? So stupid. Maybe if they used something of value for currency (like bullets or guns or hookers) it'd make sense, but to still use money was silly.

-Bad layout of the city. When the zombies invaded, the carnage was taking place in parts of the city I had no idea about. It just seemed...rushed and empty.

-Canada, eh? Maybe if they suggested something along the lines of, "All the zombies from Canada have been migrating down into America for X reason." and that's why they'd end up going there, it'd make sense.

-No flashbacks of any of the character's story. Another reason why I didn't feel attached to them.

-The worst line in the movie, "They're just looking for a place to go." WTF!@!?!? Are you serious? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, they're looking for a place to go...and rip out your innards and eat them you smuchk! I would've given the movie two thumbs up if Steve Buscemi came out of a random locker on Dead Reckoning and said, "Get outta the way noob." and then proceeded to blast all the zombies on the bridge.

This movie could’ve been a million times better, but alas. R.I.P. G.A.R.

[guerrilla]

-If this movie was supposed to be a year after Day (which took place in the 70s) why the HELL do they have such advanced weapons/technology? If they just stuck with M16s and hunting rifles instead of M60s, advanced assault rifles, electrical fences and the computer aiming system of dead reckoning, I could've liked it more...

-Idiotic "evil" guy. I mean seriously, Money was worth something? Wtf? So stupid. Maybe if they used something of value for currency (like bullets or guns or hookers) it'd make sense, but to still use money was silly.

-Canada, eh? Maybe if they suggested something along the lines of, "All the zombies from Canada have been migrating down into America for X reason." and that's why they'd end up going there, it'd make sense.

This movie could’ve been a million times better, but alas. R.I.P. G.A.R.



1. good point, i never thought about that, of course i didn't know the movie was supposed to be taking place a year after Day. i thought when the film started it was showing all the carnage that had happend earlier and then it said "Today". so i assumed now was the setting for the story.

2. sure money means something. this guy organizes protection for these people and then he offers vices. but to get what they want (gambling, sex, drugs, alcohol, smokes, etc.) you have to have money to get those things from the only guy in town that has them. and he's a rich prick, just like all the others in that tower. without their money they'd feel naked and worthless, they have to give meaning to their lives, therefor they maintain the importance of money to keep the masses in line and to make them feel good about themselves.

3. Canada. less people live in canada, so obviously there would be less zombies in Canada than in a major Eastern US city. talking about the migration pattern of zombies is ridiculous.

4. sounds like all the star wars groupies that beg and beg for years to have that series completed and then turn around and bash it. GAR rules and i don't care what anyone says.

[Blacksun]

Land of the Dead was 1 of the worse movies I've seen. It reminded me of black human rights movement. The black zombie lead his people to happiness of some BS. Im not going to spoil the movie but the end was soooo dumb. I can just imagine the zombies having a village and the black guy zombie is like the mayor and they live like humans ..having jobs and children. Im sooo disappointed in George. He was the few people i admired in the movie industry. But obviously he was taken over by our 21century retard society. I was suprised he didnt add a group of black rappers that knew karate and killed off many of the zombies.... Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....because you know its racist if a black guy/girl isnt a big movie. So overall...LOTD was 1 of the worse movies i ever seen...i can complain more and more...but i will wait a few more days till everyone sees it. And to set the records straight im not a full blown racist..im just saying the truth

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Land of the Dead was 1 of the worse movies I've seen. It reminded me of black human rights movement. The black zombie lead his people to happiness of some BS. Im not going to spoil the movie but the end was soooo dumb. I can just imagine the zombies having a village and the black guy zombie is like the mayor and they live like humans ..having jobs and children. Im sooo disappointed in George. He was the few people i admired in the movie industry. But obviously he was taken over by our 21century retard society. I was suprised he didnt add a group of black rappers that knew karate and killed off many of the zombies.... Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....because you know its racist if a black guy/girl isnt a big movie. So overall...LOTD was 1 of the worse movies i ever seen...i can complain more and more...but i will wait a few more days till everyone sees it. And to set the records straight im not a full blown racist..im just saying the truth


Um...I haven't seen it yet...going to tonight. I just wanted to point out that Night of the Living Dead is generally considered one of the first movies to really break the race barrier, as far as casting Duane Jones in a lead part (though, it's well known that he was cast because he was the best actor for it.) Romero has since said that he wished he did use it more as a soapbox against racism. Fact is, Romero is widely known for tackling all sorts of social issues...in fact, really, it's not a Romero movie without it. I would have to suggest that if you don't like this sort of thing--if it really bothers you--you'd do better to steer clear of Romero films.

By the way, yeah, it's true, there are a lot of movies that really want the cast to be a sample of everyone. It's called multi-culturalism, and while lately it seems pretty forced and heavy-handed, it's still not a bad thing if you think about it.

[Zombie Hime]

Land of the Dead was 1 of the worse movies I've seen. It reminded me of black human rights movement. The black zombie lead his people to happiness of some BS. Im not going to spoil the movie but the end was soooo dumb. I can just imagine the zombies having a village and the black guy zombie is like the mayor and they live like humans ..having jobs and children. Im sooo disappointed in George. He was the few people i admired in the movie industry. But obviously he was taken over by our 21century retard society. I was suprised he didnt add a group of black rappers that knew karate and killed off many of the zombies.... Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....because you know its racist if a black guy/girl isnt a big movie. So overall...LOTD was 1 of the worse movies i ever seen...i can complain more and more...but i will wait a few more days till everyone sees it. And to set the records straight im not a full blown racist..im just saying the truth

Ha, interesting post. You are not "saying the truth" but simply you are saying that you know NOTHING about Gorge A Romeo's work. Romeo has been using black people for key characters in his dead series for decades.

Night of Living Dead - Tom
Tom is the only sane person who comes up with rational ideas how to survive from zombie attack. As we all know, no one survive the night but he was the last survivor.

Dawn of the Dead- Peter
He is the cool-headed swat unit guy who manage to survive til the end.
And who could forget his karate jump kick on the roof of the mall?

Day of the Dead- John
John is one of the 3 survivors. He keeps his cool and help out Sarah to escape.

So, seriously, what are you talking about? Did you really watch George A Romeo's movies?

[Shotgun]

I think some of you set your expectations WAY too high, you went into it hoping it would be the zombie movie handed down by GOD himself.
Remeber while G.A.R. is probably seated at the right hand of God, he hasn't done one of these in 20 years so cut him some slack. The movie was good, I mean crap we could pick apart any zombie movie and show the flaws and errors.

Ever since Lucas gave us that "crap fest" called episode 1 I no longer go into ANY movie with high expectations. This works out well for me because then I am often surprised like I was with L.O.T.D.

as for the time line, I think you just have to look at it as those older films just happened in the past few years..... remember it's just make believe so use that thing called imagination.... :drinking:

[goesaround]

No one is a bigger fan of Romero then me. I even liked 'Monkey shines' and the 'Dark Half' alot. And the Dead trilogy forget about it. I am going a second time to see it on Sunday and I am looking foward to it. But the fact I am depressed today after seeing it last night is real. In my heart of hearts my fears seemed to be true. I really feel George has lost interest in the zombies. When I read way back with the rest of you, he wanted to do Diamond Dead I studied anything he said after he seemed more interested in that then a zombie flick. He's bored of them and does not want to be saddled with being only a zombie film maker. That is why he was looking for diiferent ways to alter the zombies First as Rock stars, now here as the new blue collar American. He likes them too much as a vehicle and not enough any more for the ride. Sorry that is how I feel in my gut..next to the chicken Parmasean hero. I cant blame him but I cant pretend not to be very dissapointed. Will I see it again ,cant wait, will I buy the dvd, the first on line, were there things you liked, no there were things I loved but I think the sequel might be the ressurection of now sadly the dead...

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Night of Living Dead - Tom

You mean Ben. Tom was a white dude that got blown up in the truck with Judy the white chick. :)

[The Blind Dead]

.... Im not no nazi/racist guy...im not a full blown racist.
lmao! If you have to say it more than once, you're trying to convince yourself, not us.

[rainz]

good movie

4 out of 5 stars

Just wish more stroy was told in the start of the movie.

How many "outposts" left? Why canada? The winters are hell, you might start eating people for real. Its almost has bad as dotd 04 when they left the mall for a stupid island.

I can see the smart zombies though, I mean after years with no "food" to chase they probaly did start to form a "community" remembering more and more things they did when alive.

Didnt like the end. "just looking for a place to go!" WTF?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

He should have bombed them to hell. They just ate alot of your people and you just let them go?!??!??!?!?!? Should just had asia move him out the way and just start shooting like she shot dude in the head when he got bit but gonna let 100 stenches get away. Even the dam people that stayed behind shoulda been like WTF riley we got to live here kill them stenches man!!!!!!!!

Hope they follow him to canada.

And I could be wrong but did big daddy eat anybody?!?!? He just was busting people up, dont think I saw him, the baseball girl or butcher bite anybody. So now zombies want revenge against people just trying to survive so they don't get eaten in the first place??

[Detroit Dogg]

Land of the Dead was 1 of the worse movies I've seen. It reminded me of black human rights movement Soo....What the problem with the Black Human Rights movement? I mean God forbid we stand up for whats right!


I can just imagine the zombies having a village and the BLACK guy zombie is like the mayor and they live like humans Sooo.....It would have been better if it was a white zombie? What the hell is wrong with your head? "Oh no! George Romero used a Black actor and made him smart!" Wow go watch Blazing saddles you might have a heart attack.



I was suprised he didnt add a group of black rappers that knew karate and killed off many of the zombies.... God will you please SHUT UP! Would it have been ok if it was WHITE rappers? I swear if there was ever a member of ATZ that would be best fit for the KKK/mental institution......



Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....
1. Nazis attacked JEWISH people not blacks. get it right.
2. God Forbid black actors have PURPOSE IN A MOVIE.


And to set the records straight im not a full blown racist..im just saying the truth How the hell is that the truth? And how the hell are you not a full blown racist?

~ incredibily ticked off Dre

[Bad Zombie Night]

DD, I wouldn't let this get you all wound up. :loon:
Until this Land of the Dead storm blows over, I guess we're going to have to deal with some of this newbie bs. :poo:

Im not no nazi/racist guy
1. Nazis attacked JEWISH people not blacks. get it right.
Perhaps he meant neo-nazi? They hate just about everybody. :-(

[Detroit Dogg]

Perhaps he meant neo-nazi? They hate just about everybody. or perhaps hes just a flaming bigot. Either/or. Sorry theres few things that REALLY piss me off.
1. Racism
2.Sexism
3.*Unfair* bullying


~Dre

*(meaning beating somebody physically/verbally who can't do ANYTHING (mentally challenged people,old people/ weak people/women) back.)

[goesaround]

Let it go..we could usemore anti-freeze to stay cool. How come blade was so strong that he could just twist people's heads like that.He was supposed to have evolved to the way he was so macho superstar zombie...and then he was gone. You know what. I want to see George either have a huge budget. (its wild his budget was apparently 1/3 smaller then the Dawn remake) A budget where their are no suits from fiddlers green standing over him watching the clock in freezing weather. Or a small budget and he film the sequel in b/w and go film Noir (?) like Night of the Living Dead. This way I could hear almost someone behind George saying c'mon keep moving time is money'!

[Bad Zombie Night]

or perhaps hes just a flaming bigot. Either/or. Sorry theres few things that REALLY piss me off.
1. Racism
2.Sexism
3.*Unfair* bullying

Actually I was trying to bring a little levity to ease some of the tension... I guess I failed. :-(
If he keeps up with his onslaught, then ZAGG will deal with him... Besides, he hasn't been back to comment on any of our replies, so we might as well get back to discussing Land of the Dead.

[jackskellington]

Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....because you know its racist if a black guy/girl isnt a big movie.

If you've been such a hardcore GAR fan for so long the did you happen to notice Ben in Night and Ken Foree in Dawn? Those movies took place way before "nowadays" didn't they?

[Detroit Dogg]

Ok back on topic! I have just had an Italian Grinder and have cooled down! wooo.....Anyways After I saw it the first time with my bud we go to the bar and start talking about it right? well eventually 85% of the bar wants to go see it. So fast-forward 15 minutes and the showing of Land is infested with over 75% of it being half drunken guys from the bar.... :lol: you should have seen the look on this one guys face He brought like a 10 year old and a 11 year old to Land of the Dead at 11:00pm.He Walks in. Sees a theater filled with dirty guys from a bar wispers something to his kids and leaves the theater as quickly as he came in :lol: ah....I love my bar Buddies..... :)


~Dre

[Bad Zombie Night]

I think, I going to go see it again sometime this week... Possibly tomorrow! That would be more times than I saw Dawn 2004.
Then I'll post a review using the guidelines provided.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

We just got back from seeing it. Of course, there's a billion things to say about it, but I'll just say a couple things right now (I'm tired...)

I'd like to say that...I don't want to hear Romero bitching about his budget. This movie seemed just fine with the budget he got, and let's face it, if it weren't for the Dawn remake, he would never have gotten any sort of budget for Land. He has a long history of complaining about people and money. I think that in this case he should just consider himself lucky that he was able to get this out at all.

Second, this:

Land of the Dead was 1 of the worse movies I've seen. It reminded me of black human rights movement. The black zombie lead his people to happiness of some BS. Im not going to spoil the movie but the end was soooo dumb. I can just imagine the zombies having a village and the black guy zombie is like the mayor and they live like humans ..having jobs and children. Im sooo disappointed in George. He was the few people i admired in the movie industry. But obviously he was taken over by our 21century retard society. I was suprised he didnt add a group of black rappers that knew karate and killed off many of the zombies.... Im not no nazi/racist guy...just now a days every movie has to have the black guy or girl that has some type of purpose....because you know its racist if a black guy/girl isnt a big movie. So overall...LOTD was 1 of the worse movies i ever seen...i can complain more and more...but i will wait a few more days till everyone sees it. And to set the records straight im not a full blown racist..im just saying the truth


Okay, I don't usually get insulting, but there's really no other way to say what I mean here. After having watched the movie, I would have to say that the above statement is probably one of the most retarded pieces of film analysis I've ever read. There's a lot to be said about the various underlying statements Romero is obviously making about a lot of things, but the racial element (as in, Big Daddy being like a zombie-Malcom X, leading fellow blacks out of oppression) isn't as overtly obvious as it is made to sound in this post. Fine, it's there. But to pick it out and really rant about it is saying a lot. I have a feeling that you see this sort of thing in every movie you watch. You say you're not racist when in fact, you're blatantly looking for something to be angry towards blacks about.

There's latinos, there's women, there's even a giant Samoan...and for whatever reason, you've only got a bone to pick with the black guy?? If you truly believe that you're not racist, I suggest you sit down and reevaluate your views on this matter. Oh, and just so you know, the Civil Rights Movement was an extremely important and neccessary part of our nation's history; I really don't see any reason to badmouth it across the board as if it was something bad.

[Slumlord]

Onlything that lost it for big daddy was the "UGGGHHHH!" he did all the time.

Nah, it was more like "RRRAAAARRRRGGHH!!"

:)

[nirvroxx]

-The worst line in the movie, "They're just looking for a place to go." WTF!@!?!? Are you serious? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, they're looking for a place to go...and rip out your innards and eat them you smuchk!

o god! :lol: i couldnt agree with you more! WTF was that? i would have been: "are you kidding me?!" and taken over the control panel and blasted them to hell :machgun2: ...of course big daddy would have survived, with him on point n' all. :roll:

o yeah...the sequels title: dead reckonings freezeing adventures in canada... :loon:

[Moonbutterfly7]

We just got back from seeing it. Of course, there's a billion things to say about it, but I'll just say a couple things right now (I'm tired...)

I'd like to say that...I don't want to hear Romero bitching about his budget. This movie seemed just fine with the budget he got, and let's face it, if it weren't for the Dawn remake, he would never have gotten any sort of budget for Land. He has a long history of complaining about people and money. I think that in this case he should just consider himself lucky that he was able to get this out at all.

Second, this:



Okay, I don't usually get insulting, but there's really no other way to say what I mean here. After having watched the movie, I would have to say that the above statement is probably one of the most retarded pieces of film analysis I've ever read. There's a lot to be said about the various underlying statements Romero is obviously making about a lot of things, but the racial element (as in, Big Daddy being like a zombie-Malcom X, leading fellow blacks out of oppression) isn't as overtly obvious as it is made to sound in this post. Fine, it's there. But to pick it out and really rant about it is saying a lot. I have a feeling that you see this sort of thing in every movie you watch. You say you're not racist when in fact, you're blatantly looking for something to be angry towards blacks about.

There's latinos, there's women, there's even a giant Samoan...and for whatever reason, you've only got a bone to pick with the black guy?? If you truly believe that you're not racist, I suggest you sit down and reevaluate your views on this matter. Oh, and just so you know, the Civil Rights Movement was an extremely important and neccessary part of our nation's history; I really don't see any reason to badmouth it across the board as if it was something bad.

I'm so glad that there is some intelligent life out here in atz. :)

[guerrilla]

o yeah...the sequels title: dead reckonings freezeing adventures in canada... :loon:

i think the reason they made the going to Canada reference is because Canada has a small population for such a large area. fewer people means fewer zombies to contend with. they could pick somewhere a little warmer though, i agree. why not the midwest US. SD, ND, Iowa, Wyoming, Montana, etc. could be perfect.

[DawnOfTheDuke]

I don't think that Riley not blowing the 'stenches' away was that bad of a choice. Sure, the line was horrendously cheesy, but I would have rather conserved ammunition for the inevitably long road ahead.

As far as the supposed plothole with money, the currency was used in a different fashion. Kauffman was a 'law & order' archetypal Republican that often times sacrificed law to uphold the order. The elite of Fiddler's Green were in the vice business. They gave those below them the vices in exchange for money. Not to profit in a financial sense, but to preserve the order that keeps the elite in the tower and the rest on the streets. The vices occupied the people and kept their minds off the revolution that Mulligan was proposing.

[zombie_master]

Well, well. What to say about this movie. I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. It seems, through all his efforts not to bend to the man, this movie ended up quite Hollywood. A revenge movie that just happened to have zombies in it. The zombies were secondary to the Cholo - Kaufman feud. If it wasn't for the speed-walking zombies, any Hollywood writer could have written it and any Hollywood director could have directed it, probably getting better performances out of the cast that was unenthusiastic at best. I mean, Dennis Hopper? He was stoic and dry in Waterworld and delivered a similar performance here.

Romero big budget went to his head. His other films, with limited budgets were better written, better acted and had better results.

The end result: A movie that caters to the average movie goer and a director that rests on his laurels. For his big budget, he sure didn't live up to his previous three, or any of the hype that this movie generated. Where's the controversy? Where's the raw, unfettered emotion? Where's the script that makes you think, makes you wonder. Can't do that in movies nowadays. Can't have a movie that makes people think, or challenge any of their current thoughts/beliefs, or hell, even insult them for that matter. They might write a letter. Gotta cater to everyone. I expected the movie that GAR wanted to make, not the movie that the man wanted him to make. I certainly hope that wasn't the movie that GAR wanted to make.

This movie felt half serious and half campy. One or the other, GAR, not both. These people have been living with zombies for some time. Take the scene with Mouse. How stupid can he really be? He's left alone, in the danger zone, but figures it ok to be listening to his discman, not paying any attention to his surroundings? Get real.

After seeing this, I don't know if I'll add this DVD to my collection. It certainly doesn't deliver, nor does it deserve to sit on my shelf next to his other three.

Maybe next to my copy of House of the Dead.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Romero big budget went to his head. His other films, with limited budgets were better written, better acted and had better results.
LOL! That's a pretty good observation, and you maybe right.


Maybe next to my copy of House of the Dead.
Well... I dunno if I'd go that far... Personally speaking, I was unhappy with the film only because I had had brought a years worth of high expectations with me to the theater... I still liked the film, and still put it up there as one of my top 10 Zombie flicks.

[Pain]

As much as i'm trying not to read this review thread, i can't help myself! It won't put me off going to see it when it eventually gets released over here :x

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Okay, I'd give it a 3/5. Now, I've only seen it the once, so I always reserve the right to change my opinion later upon subsequent viewings.

Gore...I thought it was great. I'm from the school of thought that gore isn't merely buckets and buckets of blood and guts. This movie had great headshots, violent and messy. I thought it was just enough. Yay for Nicotero!

I liked that the zombies were smartening up. As a fan, I've managed to get myself over the hump of not wanting the zombies to ever change; wanting them to stay just as they were in Night. Now that I've accepted that they're changing, I'm curious as to where they will go. I thought Leguizamo was great, Cholo was a great character. Usually Romero's characters are pretty black and white, either very good or very bad...Cholo walked that line...he was obviously not the hero figure, but he wasn't the outright villian either. You didn't have to like him, but you couldn't hate him either; he was very sympathetic.

I didn't like Asia Argento's character, which is sad, because I like Asia Argento. Slack started out great, but then totally wussed out, fawning over Riley, the Big Hero (which I still don't quite get, as he really didn't do a whole lot to be deemed a hero besides mistakenly save the people by throwing up his hands and blowing up the zombies.) I would have liked to have seen her kick ass and take her credit throughout.

The story is okay. Someone here said that there wasn't much going on in it, undertone-wise. I think there was a lot of political underpinings (which we won't discuss here) but suffice to say that it's what I liked best about the story. Again, I liked the zombies (though I could have done without Big Daddy's Cry of the Passionate Zombie--that got old really quick). The story seemed to be a rehashing of the original Day script, with all its class warfare, which is fine, but not anything really new.

No, Land of the Dead certainly does not take over Dawn of the Dead.

I have other thoughts, and I suspect they'll come out over time.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I find it interesting how 17 out of 46 people on a Zombie forum, have so far have rated this film as "It was good/alright" or even less... Could you imagine if this was a general horror or movie site? :-(

[corgi37]

I appreciate (most) of the reviews.

But come on. Most are pretty crap. I even wonder if most of you have seen it, or are not just jerking us off.

Some one, for the love of Moomba, give a detailed, consice review. Scene by scene if needed. Certainly, describe the "Gags" i more detail, instead of "the priest was awesome", the "navel ring scene rocked".

And yeah, i aint seen it. Aint gonna till Aug 4, but any spoilers i dont ignore. I lap 'em up, and babies,i want more!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Okay, I'd give it a 3/5. Now, I've only seen it the once, so I always reserve the right to change my opinion later upon subsequent viewings.

Comparing it to other Zombie films, I give it a 3.5 to 4 out of 5... I must say though, after reading a lot members giving this film exceptionally high praise, I didn't expect you to be so down about it. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/cry3.gif

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I'm sorry, BZN, don't cry. :) It's not that I didn't like it, because I actually did. I was rating it against film in general. Okay, rating it compared to other zombie films (including Romero's own) I'd probably rate it the same as you. But as far as films go in general, it was...okay. Know what I mean? :)

[Zombie Mark]

I saw this last night and was very disappointed! I thought the zombies looked great, better than in any other zombie movie ever made, but I just did not want to sympathize with them - I want to feel fear or apprehension, and felt none. Thats what I want out of these movies.

And this isn't a grumbling about the political messages of the film. I'm a huge egalitarian and think its very appropriate to criticize the attitudes and actions of the wealthy. But not only did I not care when the zombies killed those in Fiddler's Green, I didn't care that they killed the poor in the streets either. I just didn't feel any emotion while watching this film, other than a desire for it to end.

And George is still my favorite director, nothing can ever diminish the greatness of the original Dawn and Night. But I think he should have stopped after Day.

[Coldshot]

it was so awesome. best movie to come out within the past 3 or 4 years. i was more entertained by it than the other romero movies because it had to be addapted to keep peoples attentions yet it still held the feel of a true romero zombie film. perfect movie. not one thing i didnt like about it.

[kingofzombies]

this movie was great and romero did a great job once again with everything in the movie

[jackskellington]

And this isn't a grumbling about the political messages of the film. I'm a huge egalitarian and think its very appropriate to criticize the attitudes and actions of the wealthy.

"If we hate them for having money, it's just as bad as them hating us for not having money."

-Molly Ringwald/Pretty in Pink

[Zombie Mark]

"If we hate them for having money, it's just as bad as them hating us for not having money."

-Molly Ringwald/Pretty in Pink
I don't hate the rich, and am working to become one. I just don't like anyone feeling that they're better than anyone else, and believe its an appropriate subject for criticism (as is unjustified hatred of the rich by the poor). But my point was that, regardless of the political message, it just wasn't effectively done in this movie.

[tarman]

I appreciate (most) of the reviews.

But come on. Most are pretty crap. I even wonder if most of you have seen it, or are not just jerking us off

maybe you should just see the movie...oh wait...you have to wait 'til august! :evil:

[Zombie Hime]

I don't hate the rich, and am working to become one. I just don't like anyone feeling that they're better than anyone else, and believe its an appropriate subject for criticism (as is unjustified hatred of the rich by the poor). But my point was that, regardless of the political message, it just wasn't effectively done in this movie.

I know what you meant. I could not sympathize with anyone in the movie. I didn't get attached to any of the characters except Charlie.
That was my main problem with the movie. I didn't feel helpless at all because I cared less for anyone.
Although I was satisfied with gore fest, I was hungry for witty plot.

[RottingSlowly]

You know there's alot of 4 letter words i'd like to write in this response but i'm guessing i'd get thrown off the board.So all i'm gonna say is this..........STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!!!!!!How many of you were looking foward to this and biting your nails waiting for the release?Admittedly it wasn't what i expected but this was the R version.Everyone needs to remember that.I'm sure that some regular scenes were cut along with most of the gore.I knew that most of you on this board would acuse George of selling out and all that bull :poo:.But after years of no one giving the man the respect he deserves i think it's great that he's finally getting a chance.Wait for the unrated dvd and then make your final decision on the film.And if you still think that it hasn't lived up to it's hype then keep watching the uninspired low budget garbage so many of you seem to love. :x :saw:

[The Blind Dead]

keep watching the uninspired low budget garbage so many of you seem to love. :x :saw:
:roll: Insulting peoples choice in movies isn't going to make you feel any better that people are whining.

[tarman]

You know there's alot of 4 letter words i'd like to write in this response but i'm guessing i'd get thrown off the board.So all i'm gonna say is this..........STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!!!!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[Bad Zombie Night]

I saw this last night and was very disappointed! I thought the zombies looked great, better than in any other zombie movie ever made, but I just did not want to sympathize with them - I want to feel fear or apprehension, and felt none. Thats what I want out of these movies.

I know what you mean... I just got back from seeing it for my second time, and I didn't sympathize, hate, or find myself rooting for any of the characters in the movie really... For example, Kaufman was supposed to be the rich, selfish, socialite who ran everything, right? But did you find yourself hating him, or wishing that he was gobbled up by a gang of Zombies? Personally, I could care a less either way... Riley was another example... Here he is supposed to be the hero of the story, but did you feel yourself pulling for him to make it to the end? Again, his character did nothing for me.

[Zombie Mark]

You know there's alot of 4 letter words i'd like to write in this response but i'm guessing i'd get thrown off the board.So all i'm gonna say is this..........STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!!!!!!How many of you were looking foward to this and biting your nails waiting for the release?Admittedly it wasn't what i expected but this was the R version.Everyone needs to remember that.I'm sure that some regular scenes were cut along with most of the gore.I knew that most of you on this board would acuse George of selling out and all that bull :poo:.But after years of no one giving the man the respect he deserves i think it's great that he's finally getting a chance.Wait for the unrated dvd and then make your final decision on the film.And if you still think that it hasn't lived up to it's hype then keep watching the uninspired low budget garbage so many of you seem to love. :x :saw:
I thought the point of a review was to convey an opinion on the subject under review. So, since I was disappointed, I should just shut up? Only positive reviews are allowed?

I'm no Romero basher, I've seen the original Dawn literally hundreds of times. But I didn't think this was up to the level of his previous work.

However, to make you happy, here's my new review: Greatest story ever told - quit your job, sell your children to raise the funds to watch this masterpiece thousands of times, nothing in life compares to this piece of art. Expect this to sweep the oscars!

[Zombie Mark]

I know what you mean... I just got back from seeing it for my second time, and I didn't sympathize, hate, or find myself rooting for any of the characters in the movie really... For example, Kaufman was supposed to be the rich, selfish, socialite who ran everything, right? But did you find yourself hating him, or wishing that he was gobbled up by a gang of Zombies? Personally, I could care a less either way... Riley was another example... Here he is supposed to be the hero of the story, but did you feel yourself pulling for him to make it to the end? Again, his character did nothing for me.
Exactly! I didn't feel any emotion whatsoever for any of the characters in this movie. And to read reviews that said Simon Baker gave the best performance in a Romero film is simply absurd. Ken Foree gave the best performance of any of his films, with the remainder of the cast of Dawn and most of the original Night delivering far better than the actors in Land.

But to tone down my reviews a bit, I DO think everyone should see this movie, as others may be looking for different things in a zombie film. There was some excellent action shots, and maybe if the box office does sufficiently well, GAR will get another chance to make a new classic. Its just that I had such high expectations for this film.

[Bad Zombie Night]

You know there's alot of 4 letter words i'd like to write in this response but i'm guessing i'd get thrown off the board.So all i'm gonna say is this..........STOP YOUR BITCHING!!!!!!!!!!
That's just plain dumb! Which country did you just roll in from? China or Cuba?
George is just like any other film director, and he has to take the cheers along with the criticisms... That's just only being fair!


How many of you were looking foward to this and biting your nails waiting for the release?Admittedly it wasn't what i expected but this was the R version.
Everyone needs to remember that.
What would be the big difference if a little gore was put bach in? We're judging a movie based upon its content, acting, and screen play here... You must really get off on those videos where doctors perform open heart surgery, and liver transplants. :evil:


But after years of no one giving the man the respect he deserves i think it's great that he's finally getting a chance.Wait for the unrated dvd and then make your final decision on the film.

LMFAO!!! Are you shittin' me? :poo:
What difference is that gonna make? I have never heard of a film suddenly getting rave reviews after the DVD came out. How is some cut footage, and extras going to drastically change people's opinions? :loon:

[The Blind Dead]

I have never heard of a film suddenly getting rave reviews after the DVD came out. How is some cut footage, and extras going to drastically change people's opinions? :loon:
It can and does happen. Many times a DVD release will actually improve a film.

[zombie2005]

Land of the Dead only brought in 10 million for the weekend. The move cost 15 million. Not good

Expect it to go down even further when war of the worlds is realsed.


This will not be a hugh profit for universal and I really think they will think twice before giving him another shot at a fifth film.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I know I don't have to say this, because most of you should be smart enough to figure it out on your own, but if you're coming here to hear your own opinions puked up at you from the rest of us, well, you might think about going elsewhere. Instead of putting all your energy into critiquing others critiques, how about reviewing the film...it's the best counter-argument.

As for this:

But after years of no one giving the man the respect he deserves i think it's great that he's finally getting a chance.

What are you talking about? Romero had respect after Night, and then, frankly, he blew it. He made one bad-mediocre movie after another. He did well with Dawn, and then began his slow dive back into the shitter. Don't get me wrong. I enjoy most of his movies, but that's just me. I don't expect the world at large to bow down to him and crown him directing genius of the universe. As far as finally getting his chance...now that's bull:poo: . He's had a lot of chances; this is just one of them. It just so happened we had this zombie explosion and he's able to take advantage of it. Good for him.

For those of you who can't see past his blinding genius (*sigh*)--you ought to try taking off your Romero colored glasses and give him some real criticism (both positive and negative). If you can't see the bad, how do you know what's good?

[DawnOfTheDuke]

Land of the Dead only brought in 10 million for the weekend. The move cost 15 million. Not good

Expect it to go down even further when war of the worlds is realsed.


This will not be a hugh profit for universal and I really think they will think twice before giving him another shot at a fifth film.

$10 million for the film on opening weekend isn't bad at all. It'll likely recoup during the theatrical run and then profit on DVD sales & rentals. The statistics for 'From Dusk Till Dawn' on opening weekend are very similar, with the exception of FDTD having a slightly larger budget. That went on to spawn 2 sequels.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fromdusktilldawn.htm

Sorry if I sound like a Hollywood suit, but I've been watching this like a hawk. Land of the Dead was the only film opening with a wide theatrical release to receive overwhelmingly positive reviews this weekend. (Around 73% positive on RottenTomatoes).

[projectilevomit]

thier was alot of weed smoking in this movie too smoking jo-jo after jo jo :) :)

[Zombie Hime]

Some people are so touchy here. Let's others give constructive critique.


I know what you mean... I just got back from seeing it for my second time, and I didn't sympathize, hate, or find myself rooting for any of the characters in the movie really... For example, Kaufman was supposed to be the rich, selfish, socialite who ran everything, right? But did you find yourself hating him, or wishing that he was gobbled up by a gang of Zombies? Personally, I could care a less either way... Riley was another example... Here he is supposed to be the hero of the story, but did you feel yourself pulling for him to make it to the end? Again, his character did nothing for me.

I agree. I would not have feel sorry even if Riley got bitten or devoured in most excruciating way. I couldn't connect myself with any character.
Also, I was annoyed with Asia. I liked how she entered the story but her character was boring.

That's just plain dumb! Which country did you just roll in from? China or Cuba?


OK. I support your notion here but I have a problem with you associating China or Cuba with something "dumb."

Anyway, Zombie-A-GoGo, I have trouble reading your post. Your font color is too dark to read.

[Head Trauma]

I suppose I went into this movie with too much hype and just wanted nothing more then for it to be the best thing i've ever watched since well NoTLD or Dawn... I can't say that it was, I felt the char creation and story was just a big freekin mess thrown in with GAR's views on todays society thru zombies.

As far as story goes, I wasn't happy with it at all...as far as gore goes I loved it to death. My GF nearly ripped my arm apart she was squeezing it so hard during the belly button pericing scene ;) I knew the char creation was bad when the person I felt most sorry for was that one poor zombie that was in flames and big daddy put him out of comission. I really did feel more for the zombies than the humans.

As it stands his movies go in favorite to worse pretty much exactly how they were released...Night being first, Land being last. Not saying I hated land that couldn't be further from the truth. It's just not what I hyped it up/expected it to be.

10 thumbs down for the ending.

[Bad Zombie Night]

It can and does happen. Many times a DVD release will actually improve a film.
What? A b-movie release?
Show some evidence of a major impact that a DVD substantially improved a film's rating... I couldn't possibly imagine that a three start movie, would suddenly become a five star feature over some DVD cut footage added. :loon:

[Bad Zombie Night]

OK. I support your notion here but I have a problem with you associating China or Cuba with something "dumb."

Obviously you missed my point here... Let me ask you, What does China and Cuba have in common? Answer: Their lack of human rights, as in regard to free speech... I guess I should've separated the two comments more distinctly.

[zombie2005]

DawnoftheDuke

I expect land of the dead to make more then 15 million but universal I would bet insnt interested in making just double or tripple the money they want hudrends and millions of dollars at the box office.

I think it had to do with the advertising. War of the worlds was advertise months ahead of the due date plus the media hypes up the viewers of the movie which make it that more exicting to watch.

I just want to see more romero films being made.

Dusk Till Dawn never made a squeal in theaters.

The zombie genre is slowly losing its touch.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Land of the Dead only brought in 10 million for the weekend. The move cost 15 million. Not good

Expect it to go down even further when war of the worlds is realsed.


This will not be a hugh profit for universal and I really think they will think twice before giving him another shot at a fifth film.
I wouldn't make those assumptions quite yet... When Dawn 2004 was released, I started a thread on here where I tracked the film's box office take from beginning to end.
Land cost $15M to make, and probably another $15M for marketing costs... Land's box office take will drop after this weekend, but the ride isn't quite over yet... It should do another $4-6M next weekend, plus the money it takes in during the week... You're also forgetting about the overseas market, which could equal, or better the US box office totals.

[The Blind Dead]

If all goes well with Land, Universal has stated they'll be greenlighting a new trilogy, not just a 5th entry.

[Bad Zombie Night]

If all goes well with Land, Universal has stated they'll be greenlighting a new trilogy, not just a 5th entry.
Hmmmm.... I wonder what's the figure they are look for? Dawn did $59M in the US, and a $100M total worldwide... It costed $26.5M to make, while costing $20M to market.

Land cost $15M to make, and about $15-20M to market, I estimate... So does Land have to do double what it's total cost was? That would be about $60-70M total worldwide!

I think that's do able. :-|

[Emper0r]

If all goes well with Land, Universal has stated they'll be greenlighting a new trilogy, not just a 5th entry.

What's your source for this info? Can this be verified? If this is true, I'm gonna go do a 5 hour victory dance in the street.

[Emper0r]

I wouldn't make those assumptions quite yet... When Dawn 2004 was released, I started a thread on here where I tracked the film's box office take from beginning to end.
Land cost $15M to make, and probably another $15M for marketing costs... Land's box office take will drop after this weekend, but the ride isn't quite over yet... It should do another $4-6M next weekend, plus the money it takes in during the week... You're also forgetting about the overseas market, which could equal, or better the US box office totals.

Exactly, and lets not forget about the DVD. DVD's bring in millions for movies that hit the theatres.

[jackskellington]

I don't hate the rich, and am working to become one. I just don't like anyone feeling that they're better than anyone else, and believe its an appropriate subject for criticism (as is unjustified hatred of the rich by the poor). But my point was that, regardless of the political message, it just wasn't effectively done in this movie.

Slow down now...I was only putting that quote in as a joke. I figured the "Molly Ringwald" signature would give that away!!

[corgi37]

You reckon they spent $15mill on advertising?

Man, some one got ripped off!

[Moonbutterfly7]

I don't think that Riley not blowing the 'stenches' away was that bad of a choice. Sure, the line was horrendously cheesy, but I would have rather conserved ammunition for the inevitably long road ahead.

As far as the supposed plothole with money, the currency was used in a different fashion. Kauffman was a 'law & order' archetypal Republican that often times sacrificed law to uphold the order. The elite of Fiddler's Green were in the vice business. They gave those below them the vices in exchange for money. Not to profit in a financial sense, but to preserve the order that keeps the elite in the tower and the rest on the streets. The vices occupied the people and kept their minds off the revolution that Mulligan was proposing.

I was about to say the exact samething about the ammunition. Because sooner or later you're going to run out and you would be severely screwed in the long run.

[Bad Zombie Night]

You reckon they spent $15mill on advertising?

Man, some one got ripped off!
LOL! Yeah I often wondered how all that money is distributed... Dawn 2004 spend an estimated $20M on marketing, and I recall they had some spots on the Superbowl.... All I know is that the Superbowl ads don't come cheap. :dollar:

[Jason Voorhees]

Let's get this back to reviews please. We already have 1 LOTD chat thread. We don't need 2.http://www.allthingszombie.com/images/jvsmily.gif

[Parapsycho]

Rating 4/5
I really Liked It.

Gore: 2.5/3
I thought alot of the gore didnt live up to the hype. I heard alot about the hand being ripped in two, and the belly button peircing scene, but watching them didnt make me feel squirmish at all. Perhaps because I was expecting them in advance, but then very little of the gore shocked me. It seems like they played the "lets hide the gore" game a little too much, through the use of shadows, silhouettes, and darkness. Of course that Could change with the DVD.

Story: 4/5
I loved the opening credits!!!! That may be my favorite part of the movie. I was really enthusiastic that Romero went back to his original zombie rules (aside from the inteligence factor), especially the 'Everyone who dies becomes a zombie' rule. They even talk about that in the opening. One person says something about seeng someone die of a heart attack, only to return to life. (Im pretty sure about that. Can someone verify it?) Another says something to the effect of "Everyone comes back; being bitten just makes it happen faster." That was one of my favorite aspects of the NOTLD world. Romero seemed to get away from that in Dawn and Day (Dr. Logan dies of a gunshot, but doesnt come back, several of the bikers die from non-zombie injuries, ect.).

[guerrilla]

What? A b-movie release?
Show some evidence of a major impact that a DVD substantially improved a film's rating... I couldn't possibly imagine that a three start movie, would suddenly become a five star feature over some DVD cut footage added. :loon:

i dont think he actually meant the rating would increase, but that it would be a hit on DVD. there are a few examples of movies that barely broke even, or didn't break even at the box office but became hits on DVD and found a much wider audience. not that the movie suddenly became better, but a lot more people got to watch it. Matrix was one of these. Office Space is another. there are a few better examples but they're not coming to me at the moment.

[Zombie Hime]

Obviously you missed my point here... Let me ask you, What does China and Cuba have in common? Answer: Their lack of human rights, as in regard to free speech... I guess I should've separated the two comments more distinctly.

I understand what you are trying to get across. My point was that your comment was offensive regardless. And I don't know about Cuba but gov of China has changed a lot and what you remember of China a decade ago doesn't really apply here. If you are following the current events, you know this.
Anyway, your reference to communist countries are outdated.

[The Blind Dead]

What? A b-movie release?
Show some evidence of a major impact that a DVD substantially improved a film's rating... I couldn't possibly imagine that a three start movie, would suddenly become a five star feature over some DVD cut footage added. :loon:
I highly suggest you consider cutting down your caffeine intake. :roll:

For starters, I wasn't referring to b-movie DVD releases so I'm not sure where you got that from. To address your comment on movies becoming better due to DVD releases, they have. Dozens of popular review sites re-review Directors Cuts and Special Editions and give those films higher scores then the original releases and in some cases their theatrical runs. The Grudge SE is receiving better reviews than the original release as well as the theatrical run. Many films see uncut, directors cut editions that stomp their theatrical versions into the ground.

Here's a review done for "Soul Suvivors" over at JoBlo.com:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=781

Here's the Special Edition version:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=782

I'm not saying that a 3 star film will become a 5 star film simply due to a DVD release, only that ratings have and do improve due to DVD releases.

[Zombie Mark]

Slow down now...I was only putting that quote in as a joke. I figured the "Molly Ringwald" signature would give that away!!
What, Molly Ringwald is a joke?! What blasphemy to the queen of the '80s!! :)

[corgi37]

Well, you are way off the mark there, Zombie Hime.

China is clamping down even more on freedoms. The internet is closely censored and monitored. People who access outside sites are not treated too well. Outside chat rooms for example are a big no-no.

I've go to Hong Kong almost yearly, and though on the surface, things are the same, underneath, people are living in fear and slowly but surely, things are changing. NOt least the official language. Most people speak Cantonese. Well, Mandarin has now been declared the official language.

Anyway, back to the reviews.

Tell me about the lezzo scene!

[Bad Zombie Night]

i dont think he actually meant the rating would increase, but that it would be a hit on DVD.
Oh yes he did, just look at his latest post. :roll:
But that is not where this particular point in the discussion started... It began back at post #82 (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showpost.php?p=85746&postcount=82) (as to why he decided to pick up, and continue carrying the torch, I don't know.)
PM me if you don't see it.


there are a few examples of movies that barely broke even, or didn't break even at the box office but became hits on DVD and found a much wider audience. not that the movie suddenly became better, but a lot more people got to watch it. Matrix was one of these. Office Space is another. there are a few better examples but they're not coming to me at the moment.

Refer above to the previous quote.... Obviously this doesn't apply to the discussion.... Nuff said.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I understand what you are trying to get across. My point was that your comment was offensive regardless.
On please ZH, stop with the drama... If you knew what I meant, then why didn't leave it at that? Offensive? LOL! Who's going to get pissed off at me? Fidel Castro?


And I don't know about Cuba but gov of China has changed a lot and what you remember of China a decade ago doesn't really apply here. If you are following the current events, you know this.
Anyway, your reference to communist countries are outdated.

Yes, there have been strides, and progress but they're still not free societies by any stretch of the imagination... Refer to Corgi's post.... Enough with the politicizing on these boards... Nuff said.

[Preach]

2. State how many stars it should recive 1 to 5 Stars only

3. Rate Gore 1. ok 2. very good. 3. Great

4. Write what you liked and did not like

5. Is the story Good?

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time?

Again only post if you seen the movie and want to write your review
4 stars..I'm not a fan of gore..I liked the whole movie..great story line..no it will not unseat "Dawn of the Dead" 1978..but 52 times better than "DOTD" 2004

[Bad Zombie Night]

I highly suggest you consider cutting down your caffeine intake. :roll:
Interesting way to begin a reply.... Am I supposed to be offended in some way by that remark? :roll:


For starters, I wasn't referring to b-movie DVD releases so I'm not sure where you got that from. To address your comment on movies becoming better due to DVD releases, they have. Dozens of popular review sites re-review Directors Cuts and Special Editions and give those films higher scores then the original releases and in some cases their theatrical runs. The Grudge SE is receiving better reviews than the original release as well as the theatrical run. Many films see uncut, directors cut editions that stomp their theatrical versions into the ground.

Here's a review done for "Soul Suvivors" over at JoBlo.com:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=781

Here's the Special Edition version:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/reviews.php?id=782

I'm not saying that a 3 star film will become a 5 star film simply due to a DVD release, only that ratings have and do improve due to DVD releases.

For starters, I find it interesting that you went back a step to pick up this discussion... I am not saying that DVD releases don't improve the popularity of a film, but the film's review is a different story... In other words, If I watch it the second time, how is the extra DVD footage, and fancy DVD authoring going to change the movie significantly?
JoBlo.com? I know who they are, but they in the business of rating, and selling DVDs... I would hardly consider them to reliable source as to reviewing film content... I have yet to hear anyone rave about how a DVD made a movie significantly better, over the original film... For example, I like the House of 1,000 corpses DVD very much... The Authoring, motion menus, ect... But that didn't make the film any better... Overall, It was still a mediocre horror film.
OK, Nuff said... Let's get back to reviewing Land of the Dead.

[SanElizando]

Does anyone know when this is released in the UK? I've checked the BBFC's site but no luck. Did find out that it's only a '15' over here though (and that's without ANY cuts made!). Couldn't say whether that's a good thing or not yet though...

[Bad Zombie Night]

Does anyone know when this is released in the UK? I've checked the BBFC's site but no luck. Did find out that it's only a '15' over here though (and that's without ANY cuts made!). Couldn't say whether that's a good thing or not yet though...

August 5th 2005 :mrgreen: :zom1:

[SanElizando]

Excellent, cheers matey...

[Kemper]

this movie has a huge rewatchability factor...so in a way i'm glad it was a short movie.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Just a note: No more about Cube or China or Communists or offending each other, or reacting when someone says they're offended by being offended or exasperated or caffinated...and stick to things zombinated. Dig?

[Bad Zombie Night]

Just a note: No more about Cube or China or Communists or offending each other, or reacting when someone says they're offended by being offended or exasperated or caffinated...and stick to things zombinated. Dig?

Yes.... We hear and obey. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/worship.gif :mrgreen:

[DarkTOFU]

I'm kinda surprised with the acceptance of the "smarter" zombie thing, especially from the Dawn '04 "running" zombie haters. Running, stupid zombies are more acceptable to me than some developing intelligence and compassion for thier fellow shamblers. Over-all, I liked the film and it's DVD will hold an honored place next to my others, but I hope the zombies don't get online diplomas by the next film.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I'm kinda surprised with the acceptance of the "smarter" zombie thing, especially from the Dawn '04 "running" zombie haters.

You know what DT? I have no doubt that if Zack Snyder had made this film, these very same people would be all over him, and the "smart Zombie" concept. :loon: ;-)

[BiscuitsNGravy]

I'm kinda surprised with the acceptance of the "smarter" zombie thing, especially from the Dawn '04 "running" zombie haters. Running, stupid zombies are more acceptable to me than some developing intelligence and compassion for thier fellow shamblers. Over-all, I liked the film and it's DVD will hold an honored place next to my others, but I hope the zombies don't get online diplomas by the next film.

I agree. Big Daddy was interesting but a bit over the top. The intelligence thing was one of the things in the movie that I thought George made work, but it was very close to being a disaster in some scenes. I liked how the zombies realized they could get across the river by going across the bottom. But, I didn't like how Big Daddy was showing the other zombies how to use weapons, especially the guns. That was a bit much. The zombies finally ignoring the flower blossoms for tasty humans was perfect and made sense. Big Daddy pouring the gasoline and then rolling an incendiary device to cause an explosion is over the top. Is he Rambo or something? I always felt you could explain GAR's zombies scientifically or at least with some pseudo science mumbo jumbo, but when you talk of higher level thinking zombies, I think you can only attribute it to magic or voodoo. Before anyone brings up Bub, I compare him to one of Pavlov's dogs. In my opinion he was no smarter than your average dog. But Big Daddy was using complex cause and effect thought processes. Hell, he wasn't even eating anyone. Hmm, maybe someone found Dr. Frankenstiens research and worked after all.

[Rookie]

The living dead scientificly?

Thats a oxymoron statement if I ever heard one. You can't explain the super natural, or it wouldn't be supernatural..

[jackskellington]

=BiscuitsNGravy] I always felt you could explain GAR's zombies scientifically or at least with some pseudo science mumbo jumbo, but when you talk of higher level thinking zombies, I think you can only attribute it to magic or voodoo

I think BNG was only saying that GAR offered a scientific explanation of the reanimation in Night what with the Venus probe and everything.

[Matt Apple]

Good Things
1. Sky Flowers - Next week go to a fourth of July celebration and when the fireworks start check out the people around you and see if you can stifle a chuckle.
2. Building a walled city - Good idea. Instead of everyone spending 100% of their waking time trying to stay alive you come together so some people can focus on other things. This opens the door for division of labor and that is a prerequisite for civilization.
3. Orderly raiding of nearby towns for supplies - Very cool. Reminded me of Last Man on Earth with Vincent Price.
4. Cholo - Not really a hero or a villain, just a guy looking out for himself.
5. Pillsbury - A kickass fat guy for me to look up to :)
6. Whiplash Zombie - A zombie! Oh, its ok he doesn't have a head. Or does he! This Zombie seemed specifically designed to screw with zombie afficianados who 'know' that headless zombies are harmless.
7. Dead Reckoning - I want one!
8. The Butler guy running away at the end of the movie - The biggest laugh of the movie

Bad Things
1. Smart Zombies - A zombie that has enough going on upstairs to perform mercy killings on other zombies is too smart for my liking. A perfect zombie should have about the intelligence of a rabid dog; able to avoid an obvious danger, able to realize 'this isn't working try something else" but that is about it. A zombie should not be coming up with complicated plans. For instance, Big Daddy busts into the limo and instead of busting all the way in and killing that guy the way a zombie is supposed to he dowses him with gas and goes off looking for fire. There are a couple things wrong with this. Firstly zombies are supposed to be afraid of fire(like animals are). And secondly zombies kill to satiate their hunger, not out of anger; yet Big Daddy passed up an easy meal.
2. Leader Zombies - This is painfully dumb. Zombies are the human Id stripped of the ego and superego. They are man reduced to an animal state. No zombie hierarchy please!
3. Money - Also painfully dumb is the way money is portrayed in the movie. Why are people still using US dollars? Why would you work for it when it would be so easy to go to one of a thousand banks within a days drive and bust open a vault and take all the money you can carry? I have no doubt that some sort of medium of exchange would re-emerge as it is more efficient than pure barter but I would expect it to be something more like ammunition or cans of SPAM.
At the end of the movie when the Dennis Hopper character is getting the hell out of Dodge he takes a couple of bags full of cash. Excuse me?! What may be the last human city is getting overrun by zombies and the first thing he grabs is cash(which again I must say would be abundantly available in bank vaults all across America)? Where the hell is he going to spend it?
4. Zombie evolution - They are dead, they don't evolve, they rot.

Conclusions
LOTD is the worst of the Romero films.
I would probably rank them like this:
Dawn
Night
Day
Land

That being said I would probably rank all of the Romero films above all of the other zombie films(with the exception of Dawn'04 which I would put above Land).

All in all, I was disappointed. Land seemed kind of like what would happen if you crossed a zombie movie and communism with the poor people in the city and the zombies outside alternatingly playing the role of proletariat. All coming to fruition with the "They are just looking for someplace to go" comment at the end of the movie; ah yes solidarity of the oppressed.

[RottingSlowly]

I thought the point of a review was to convey an opinion on the subject under review. So, since I was disappointed, I should just shut up? Only positive reviews are allowed?

I'm no Romero basher, I've seen the original Dawn literally hundreds of times. But I didn't think this was up to the level of his previous work.

However, to make you happy, here's my new review: Greatest story ever told - quit your job, sell your children to raise the funds to watch this masterpiece thousands of times, nothing in life compares to this piece of art. Expect this to sweep the oscars!

No it wasn't on level with the 3 other films i will openly admit that.But damn everyone is bashing the movie into the ground.And no you don't have to praise but are you gonna tell me this was any worse than the 2 Resident Evil movies?Think about that for a minute.

[RottingSlowly]

That's just plain dumb! Which country did you just roll in from? China or Cuba?
George is just like any other film director, and he has to take the cheers along with the criticisms... That's just only being fair!


What would be the big difference if a little gore was put bach in? We're judging a movie based upon its content, acting, and screen play here... You must really get off on those videos where doctors perform open heart surgery, and liver transplants. :evil:


LMFAO!!! Are you shittin' me? :poo:
What difference is that gonna make? I have never heard of a film suddenly getting rave reviews after the DVD came out. How is some cut footage, and extras going to drastically change people's opinions? :loon:

George has been taking criticism his whole damn career.It's only recently that people have been jumping on his bandwagon.As for the gore i think it adds something to the movie.Would you rather all zombie movies be totally sterile like Resident Evil?Elsewhere in this post someone makes a good point that uncut dvds do infact get better reviews and sometimes even exceed box office gross.Oh by the way are you a fan of HOTD and the Resident Evil movies?

[Bad Zombie Night]

No it wasn't on level with the 3 other films i will openly admit that.But damn everyone is bashing the movie into the ground.And no you don't have to praise but are you gonna tell me this was any worse than the 2 Resident Evil movies?Think about that for a minute.
What are you talking about?
Go check out the Resident Evil threads for each film... We bashed the shit out of those two movies... Are you saying that George gets a free pass, and is immune to criticism?

[Gord]

Movie rating 3/5 stars. It was good, but only because it was a zombie movie.
I'd really have to think of this one as GAR's version of Episode I. I could buy the smart zombie thing up until the gas pump scene. That part just crossed the line by a huge leap.
The biggest flaw of the movie was the idea of the noble caste in the tower. In reality it would take all of about 30 seconds for the looter team to realize that they were the top of the heap. They could roll into town with a truckload of goods and very easily trade the soldiers food/ammo/etc for protecting the perimeter. Trade the other people food/protection/etc for food prep, cleaning, construction, prostitution, etc. Each group would organize with a sub-leader to oversee the dispensation of goods within each guild. Then they'd all just barricade the pricks up in the tower and let 'em starve. Money doesn't mean crap compared to a can of beans or a handfull of bullets in a survival situation, and the loot team had a total monopoly on the flow of the beans and bullets.
As much as I have enjoyed all of GAR's films, I really think he sacrificed the story of this film for the sake of political commentary.

[jackskellington]

As much as I have enjoyed all of GAR's films, I really think he sacrificed the story of this film for the sake of political commentary.

Exactly! It's as if he just used his street cred as the master of zombie movies to get on a soapbox and rant about the government. If I wanted to see a :poo: Michael Moore :poo: movie I'd go rent one...Keep the horror movies about horror! We go to the movies to escape the reality of the outside world for a couple of hours, not to be constantly reminded of it.

[corgi37]

You know, i am bloody confused and amazed with all this negativity. I saw most of LAND last night. (Dont ask me how!) It was fantastic from the start. Awesome atmosphere. Only GAR can do that "styling". The gore is very good, imaginative, though a little darkly lit. The humour was wonderful. Really cool. Sort of "Creepshow" style in some things. The acting was such a delight. Compared to the painful acting in Day, or even Knightriders.

I am aiming this at most of the newbies. We dont know who you are, where you come from, or where you have been, but the negativity surrounding this movie astounds me.

What do you people want?

I've seen better reactions to ultra cheap 16mm home movies that simply rip off Dawn get better reactions to this. Alot of the shamelessly terrible indie zombie flicks that pop up from time to time get way, way better treatment than LAND is getting. I dont know if this is like a cool thing to do. Has it become trendy to jump on a new film and flame the hell out of it? I know it was a popular game when Dawn04 came out. Here, homepage & imdb, there are literally hundreds of people crawling out of the woodwork, all with only crap to spew out.

And, what stupid crap.

I mean, the acting is getting blasted. Like DAY had Academy Award winning performances? What about the amateur college kids who make indie films? The acting in 99% of those zombie flicks (quite a few have been flogged on this very board) is humiliating to watch. Yet, they get a break!

The style of the film is vastly different to what has preceded it. And, thank God for that! The very last thing that could have happened was GAR make a movie about people being simply barricaded from the ghouls. Just like NIght. Just like Dawn. Just like Day. Hallelujah! He has expanded his vision. Moved on and delivered something new and fresh into his genre....


....And people whine about i! Do you want another movie of people sitting around saying "What have we done to ourselves?" Or, another movie of people just holed up, waiting to die? GAR has (thankfully) had a original idea that not only compliments what he has done earlier, but also moved it along. It seems like most of you just want a re-make of Dawn over and over again. OH, without the consumer angle. Oh, without the blue paint.

Oh, what do you want????

Well, judging from what i have read, most people (youngies i might add) just want a shoot 'em up film. Just wall to wall shooting and chomping. Sort of like the Euro version of Dawn. Or, if you will, just a movie version of the RE game - without the puzzles and zombie dogs.

I cant comment on the ending, as i havent got that far yet.

The thing that really bugs the hell out of me is this. Many people read the script. Its been online for nearly a year. People knew it backwards. People KNEW it was being filmed. People KNEW that most of what they read was actually being filmed. Then, the movie comes out and its "Whoa, intelligent zombies, whats the go with that?"

Imagine if the zombie rat scene was left in! Heresy!!! hahahaha.

The only thing i really do agree on is Big Daddy's roars and grunts. Very quickly becomes annoying. Now, here is a left field thought.

Any one compare some of his grunts and "communicating" noises to the Raptors in Jurassic Park? Particularly with the "lover" zombies near the start.

[Preach]

I liked the skater dude getting eaten..what a retard :clap:

[DarkTOFU]

Sorry Corgi, but I've been a fan for years(of George and Zombies in general). I may be new to this site and board, but I have put my time in on these films and feel I have a good grasp of what they're about. GAR has done great work in the past, and I'm not hating this film, but I do think some of the advanced thinking done by the zombies is rushed. Don't assume that a contributors rating is by any means their experience with a given subject. Meaning no offense, just let us rant about they questionable stuff a little, because if we don't critique, the directors and producers of these films won't improved the final product. We just want a more perfect movie.

[nirvroxx]

I liked the skater dude getting eaten..what a retard :clap:


iiidiot...why the HELL would you be wearing headphones and blasting music in a setting where you need all your senses to be super sharp?? WTF and smoking pot?? jeeez! this moron deserved to die! :x

[Slumlord]

Hey, I think this movie has taught us a valuable lesson. Never, under any circumstance, wear a bellybutton pin during a zombie attack... NEVER!

(Man, that was painful to watch.) :scare:

[Bad Zombie Night]

What do you people want?

I guess I wanted a film better than Dawn of the Dead, or on the same par, but it didn't even come close... I rank it just ahead of Day of the Dead, but not by much... At least I liked the characters, and acting better in Day of the Dead than in Land... We waited, and talked about a year for this film to come out, so can you blame us for some of the frustration that we are venting right now?

[corgi37]

No, i dont blame anyone who doesnt like it. Thats fair enough. But some of the complaints are just dumb. Its like when Dawn04 was coming out. People were just lining up to bag it. And, when it was released, away they went with the most stupid whinges. Dawn04 wasnt that bad at all. Not GAR quality, but certainly probably the best "serious" zombie film since Day.

Also, and i am serious, i think the expectations were so high amongst us, that no matter how fantastic it would be, many people were bound to be disappointed.

I'm not. I love it. Havent seen it all yet, mind you. And cant wait to see it in a lovely Aussie cinema.

BTW, i didnt mean to insult anyone. I am just getting a bit fed up with all the negativity, which i dont think is warranted to such a degree. It seems no one likes Land, which is crazy.

I mean, it was never going to be Dawn. The pacing itself is totally different to any GAR genre movie for 1 huge reason. Its been 20 years since his last one. To further my point. Some of my fave flicks are from the late 60's. Catch 22, Mash, Woodstock - Yet to some one watching them now, its not the content or story that they hate.

Its the seemingly never ending single shots. Catch 22 has the longest running scenes imaginable. To the point of excruciating. No matter how well crafted and coreagraphed they no doubt are. Fast editing wasnt around then. And, people have become so used to it.

If GAR did Dawn today, it would be nothing like he did in the 70's.

[Helu]

I was dissapointed. I really was hoping that this would be better than Dawn 04. In many ways it was, Story, Atmosphere, MEaning.

Dawn 04, while not the best zombie movie, is easily my most enjoyable and most rewatchable, followed very closely by Day.

Asia Argento's role was pointless. She didn't even do anything. In fact John Leguizamo had the most felshed out character. Though, I did find the acting to be the best of teh series. I didn't find a terrible bit of acting in the film.

The begining and end were both too abrupt. The zombies just pop up, comically at the begining. This is ok for those of us who have seen the previous 3 but doesn't really work for those who haven't seen them.

The end was just... well, kind of lame. It should of felt like a moment of releif, but it never felt like once they got in the Reckoning that they were in any danger at all, and they weren't. At the end of Dawn, once they take off, or as in the remake get on the boat, you feel a sense of releif. They just barely survived. (Though 04 brought back the trouble). In this, there was none of that. The reckoning was too much.

On another positive note, I loved all the characters. All of them. Even the evil ones. They all had great unique styles even if Cholo was the only one with any depth.

Which bring me to my biggest problem. The legnth. When rewatching it, purley for enjoyment, I will like the short running time. But as a quality experience, it was lacking. We never got to see enough of anything. We should have seen them go out and get supplies at least twice. We should have seen teh interior rich people more. And we should have learned more about the characters. Dawn and Day, took the time to devolop the main characters. I may have liked the characters in Land, but I cared about the characters in Dawn and Day. The original Dawn mind you. Dawn had only 4 main characters and when they died you felt it. When they lived, you were releived.

I enjoyed the film, but I felt it could have been so much more.

The bad reactions come from people who were expecting more, where the great reactions for the Dawn 04 was from people who were expecting much worse.

1-3 is way too small of a scale for gore. If Dead Alive is a 3 then this is a 1. Compared to his other films though, this would be a 2.5...

Quality Enjoyment
Night - 4 3
Dawn - 4 4
Day - 5 5
Land - 3 4
Dawn 04 - 3 5

[Bad Zombie Night]

All I can say to you corgi, is that if you really enjoyed it that much, then I'm happy for you... As for myself, I think the movie was good, it just lack in several areas, and didn't deliver the same kind of emotion that the first three films in the trilogy did for me... It's unfortunate that many other horror fans feel the same way as I do.

[Detroit Dogg]

WTF and smoking pot?? jeeez! this moron deserved to die! :x Well there are a few ways to look at that.

1. He is just an idiot.

2. He thought he was safe(wich would mena hes an idiot!)

3. He used it to calm his nerves because he was freaked out.

Eh your choice.


~Dre

[DarkTOFU]

In my opinion, seeing the zombies organize and become a force took some of the creep factor away from the movie. The best shock and jump moments in the film came from the independent wandering zombies that did the biting.
I love my zombies as emotionless shambling eaters, not compasionate mercy killers.

[Sadogoat]

Just visited the official site and watched the clips (since I haven't yet seen the film). Noticed that Big Daddy seems to do an awful lot of blinking for a corpse.

[jackskellington]

Just visited the official site and watched the clips (since I haven't yet seen the film). Noticed that Big Daddy seems to do an awful lot of blinking for a corpse.

He also does an awful lot of growling and whining.

[jackskellington]

In my opinion, seeing the zombies organize and become a force took some of the creep factor away from the movie. The best shock and jump moments in the film came from the independent wandering zombies that did the biting.
I love my zombies as emotionless shambling eaters, not compasionate mercy killers.

Yes! It made them seem more like a small para-military fighting force on maneuvers rather than the reanimated corpses of friends and neighbors whose only intention is to devour you.

[Last Resort Man]

I enjoyed the movie. Not sure where I'd rank it amoung the other dead films of Romero yet, probably need to see it again.
Everyone will have their opinion, but I for one was happy to see a Romero zombie picture again and am glad he still likes to use the social commentary in his horror.

[KeeperOfCommonSense]

its was ok, i was actualy hoping for it to be much better. i got really mad on the end, after they destroyed the city and litterly ripped apart people ( makes me mad) ripped aprt someones arm from there middle of there fingers and caus complete chaos, those retarded mother F+++++ just say "well, they were just looking for some place to go, like all of us" AND LET THOSE MOTHER F***** LIVE. DAMN THAT MAKES ME MAD, the story wasnt as good as i thought it would be either, it was kinda gay how they were getting smarter and used weapons, but didnt run, and how the humans build elimination squads.AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh :x :puke: :poo: :doh:

[KeeperOfCommonSense]

It was...merely ok. To say it's a classic is beyond me, because it obviously wasn't.

Pros +

- Boobs
- The Sky flowers idea
- Dead Reckoning
- The whole city idea
- Pillsburry
- Some pretty bad ass looking zombies (The priest zombie)

Cons -

-Shitty story
-Terrible actors (except for the one kid who blows his brains out when he gets bit)

-Lack of emotional feeling for any of the characters.

-Zombies shimmied when shot, when (if staying with the original concept of the zombies) they should've just stayed still.

-If this movie was supposed to be a year after Day (which took place in the 70s) why the HELL do they have such advanced weapons/technology? If they just stuck with M16s and hunting rifles instead of M60s, advanced assault rifles, electrical fences and the computer aiming system of dead reckoning, I could've liked it more...

-Idiotic "evil" guy. I mean seriously, Money was worth something? Wtf? So stupid. Maybe if they used something of value for currency (like bullets or guns or hookers) it'd make sense, but to still use money was silly.

-Bad layout of the city. When the zombies invaded, the carnage was taking place in parts of the city I had no idea about. It just seemed...rushed and empty.

-Canada, eh? Maybe if they suggested something along the lines of, "All the zombies from Canada have been migrating down into America for X reason." and that's why they'd end up going there, it'd make sense.

-No flashbacks of any of the character's story. Another reason why I didn't feel attached to them.

-The worst line in the movie, "They're just looking for a place to go." WTF!@!?!? Are you serious? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, they're looking for a place to go...and rip out your innards and eat them you smuchk! I would've given the movie two thumbs up if Steve Buscemi came out of a random locker on Dead Reckoning and said, "Get outta the way noob." and then proceeded to blast all the zombies on the bridge.

This movie could’ve been a million times better, but alas. R.I.P. G.A.R.

I LOVE THIS GUy, "get out of the way noob!" amazing, this is the pain i feel. lololol i wish that happened. i really did start cracking up when i read that.

[KeeperOfCommonSense]

i have 1 more thing to say, dawn 04 was the best zombie film to date. you could get so attached to the characters, they had so much more personality and emotion, it was amazing. i dont know all the names, so bare with me.

sarah=annoying b**** that i wanted dead.

big black dude with shotgun (cop)=asome tough guy that you couldent help but like.

cj=probly best character of all, nice guy, under his cold exterrior, like "kill me*blam*" what a nice guy, didnt really want him to die on the end :cry:

asome grandma= was it just be, or was this character the best of all, she was so asome, a smoking senior that didnt look that old with a pistol, COOL i wish she lived, but she took that wierdo with her atleast



as for land. I COULDENT GET ATTACHED TO ANYONE, period.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

its was ok, i was actualy hoping for it to be much better. i got really mad on the end, after they destroyed the city and litterly ripped apart people ( makes me mad) ripped aprt someones arm from there middle of there fingers and caus complete chaos, those retarded mother F+++++ just say "well, they were just looking for some place to go, like all of us" AND LET THOSE MOTHER F***** LIVE. DAMN THAT MAKES ME MAD, the story wasnt as good as i thought it would be either, it was kinda gay how they were getting smarter and used weapons, but didnt run, and how the humans build elimination squads.AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhh :x :puke: :poo: :doh:

Yeah that was bad. I like the movie but that was one of those lines that could have sunk the movie it everything else was poor. I give him a pass on it because I liked most of the movie. I kind of giggled when Simon Baker said that. I kind of expected Big Daddy to get killed earlier in the movie since he led from the front so much but the ending was just silly. I thought it was funny until I really though about it. Why didn't they stay and use Dead Reckoning to assist the survivors. They could have cleaned up the city in an hour. Now the survivors will have to face off against zombies who are learning how to use guns. AND SIMON BAKER'S CHARACTER KNOWS BIG DADDY AND THE REST OF THEM ARE GETTING SMART. THAT'S LIKE LETTING SOMEONE JUMP INTO A MURKY POOL, KNOWING A SHARK IS IN THERE. I then left the movie kind of horrified. I walked out of the movie thinking this idiot just killed them. He left them with smart zombies and took the main weapon with him. Ridiculous. I would have been happier if they went with the bleak ending and they were too late to save everyone. To me that would have been the most powerful ending. I could tell because when the people in the audience were identifying with the businessman leading the people at the crowd to the fence. You can tell when an audience is engrossed by the moments of tense silence and gasps. So, if GAR would have stuck with the bleak ending, I think it would have worked. It would have been cool to end with the zombies overrunning the city and Dead Reckoning being too late to save the people at the gate. Then you could have went with Simon Baker's character seeing Big Daddy, having the shot, and then just silent letting it go and telling the driver to move out. I think a quiet defeat would have been powerfull IMO. Whatever, still like the movie. I couldn't have done an 1hr 1/2 movie or script like this, so I just can't complain too much. Good stuff.

[zombiekilling101]

well the ending was powerful, to do away with the old capitalist system that the city was trying to use, and bring up the survivors that were the undergound are now going to start over with a new way, in this new world where the zombies are an even bigger threat, away of starting over from what didnt work in the past, even before the zombies came. I mean the new leader said it himself, "were gona try something new"

as for them having to battle the zombies, im sure they can take them, casue if you think about it, kaufman had been killing people the whole time, and he surely would have put a stop to the uprising,"like he tried to do" so they have to have loads of weapons, hidden places, and they probably know the city the best... the zombies will be easy, i doubt there going to be able to hit a man thats not directly in front of them.

And riley was just thinking, "hey they destroyed the old way, i cant change that, im going to just stick to myself and let the new era become"

[BiscuitsNGravy]

well the ending was powerful, to do away with the old capitalist system that the city was trying to use, and bring up the survivors that were the undergound are now going to start over with a new way, in this new world where the zombies are an even bigger threat, away of starting over from what didnt work in the past, even before the zombies came. I mean the new leader said it himself, "were gona try something new"

as for them having to battle the zombies, im sure they can take them, casue if you think about it, kaufman had been killing people the whole time, and he surely would have put a stop to the uprising,"like he tried to do" so they have to have loads of weapons, hidden places, and they probably know the city the best... the zombies will be easy, i doubt there going to be able to hit a man thats not directly in front of them.

And riley was just thinking, "hey they destroyed the old way, i cant change that, im going to just stick to myself and let the new era become"

Hmm. That's neatly packaged. I would rather have something with more meat to think about. What you saw was the generic "Independence Day" type ending. Since we are on the ending. Why did the other soldiers follow Riley? I mean I can see why the sharp shooter and Asia Argento's charater followed Riley, but there was no motivation for the blond driver and other soldiers following. They were willing to run off with Chullo and bomb the Green, now they were going to go with Riley to Canada. Wtf? Why? I guess it's easier to have everyone ride off into the sunset together.

[zombiekilling101]

[QUOTE=BiscuitsNGravy]Hmm. That's neatly package. QUOTE]

whats that supposed to mean?

well if the soldiers were willing to bomb the green and steal the dead rekoning, than obviouslly there not really independent minded and theyll just go where ever their leader wants. in this case Riley.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

[QUOTE=BiscuitsNGravy]Hmm. That's neatly package. QUOTE]

whats that supposed to mean?

well if the soldiers were willing to bomb the green and steal the dead rekoning, than obviouslly there not really independent minded and theyll just go where ever their leader wants. in this case Riley.

I meant "neatly packaged". It's the typical Hollywood ending, save the zombies. Pretty boy (Riley) gets the girl (Slack) and leaves town with his buddy (Charlie) in tow. They even have the ID-4 fireworks display as it goes off. Riley leaves the "townsfolk" with a new resolve. The anti-hero (Big Daddy) gets the respect of Riley and is allowed to escape retribution. Isnt' that what Paul Walker's character allowed Vin Diesel's character to do in Fast and the Furious? Just pointing out that the ending is totally Hollywood. There is nothing wrong with that. I enjoy all types of movies. Just don't make it more than what it is. Don't let GAR fanaticism blind you.

[zombiekilling101]

I meant "neatly packaged". It's the typical Hollywood ending, save the zombies. Pretty boy (Riley) gets the girl (Slack) and leaves town with his buddy (Charlie) in tow. They even have the ID-4 fireworks display as it goes off. Riley leaves the "townsfolk" with a new resolve. The anti-hero (Big Daddy) gets the respect of Riley and is allowed to escape retribution. Isnt' that what Paul Walker's character allowed Vin Diesel's character to do in Fast and the Furious? Just pointing out that the ending is totally Hollywood. There is nothing wrong with that. I enjoy all types of movies. Just don't make it more than what it is. Don't let GAR fanaticism blind you.


im not blinded by me liking this man, i didnt like what he did in creepshow all that much, but i still love his work.

you can pretty much say that every movie has a hollywood ending now, if a movie has an ending, pretty much its probably been used in some way shape or form in something else.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

im not blinded by me liking this man, i didnt like what he did in creepshow all that much, but i still love his work.

you can pretty much say that every movie has a hollywood ending now, if a movie has an ending, pretty much its probably been used in some way shape or form in something else.

You didn't like Creepshow? I loved Creepshow. See, different strokes for different folks. I'm not bagging on your taste. I just personally loved the ending in NoLD better. I just thought a bleak ending would have work for this movie. In the DVD they could actually make that an alternate bleak ending. I don't like blaming suits for things when stuff goes wrong in movies. I think it used as an excuse of poor director choices too often. That said, this ending smells of suit interference. It reminds me of the 28 Days Later ending. Danny Boyle's original idea was the bleak ending with the main character dying. I liked the theatrical ending but Hollywood doesn't like downer endings. That's why we got a happier ending, well, as happy as a zombie movie can give you. See everyone was waiting for Charlie or the Samoan or Riley to die or be bitten. It didn't happen. Everyone lived happily ever after, even the zombies. So, GAR avoided the generic horror ending with either Charlie, the Samoan or Riley dying or being bitten and went for the cliche Hollywood ending with everyone living happily ever after. The most shocking and unorthodox ending would have been to have Dead Reckoning be late and the city really being the land of the dead. That goes against a lot of Hollywood norms. This would be unorthodox for a Hollywood film:

1. The hero fails. He isn't right on time.
2. The villain (zombies) win.
3. Kids die excrucitiating deaths. Because if we are to believe that everyone in the city died, then we could only assume that the kids (the kid who needed the medicine) were eaten by zombies. This is why GAR had to show the kid alive with his father at the end. I bet some suit said, "make sure we see the sick kid, so the audience doesn't thing he was devoured." I can just hear it now.

Listen, GAR had to Hollywood money. He probably was required to make some Hollywood decisions. Nothing wrong with that. As long as the movie is good, which is was IMO. At least he got to make his movie and did well with it. Hell, Lucas has control of everything from top to bottom and still created those warm piles of sequels.

[zombiekilling101]

ok argument settled, you hated the ending, I enjoyed it.. the end.. look forward to arguing with you again:)

[BiscuitsNGravy]

ok argument settled, you hated the ending, I enjoyed it.. the end.. look forward to arguing with you again:)

LOL. I didn't say I hated the ending. I just thought it could have been done much better. But I'll agree to disagree. Good talking to you. :)

[Preach]

I guess I wanted a film better than Dawn of the Dead
that's not hard with DOTD 2004 which was one of the worst zombie movies I've ever seen..the original wasn't bad way back in it's day

[Bad Zombie Night]

that's not hard with DOTD 2004 which was one of the worst zombie movies I've ever seen..the original wasn't bad way back in it's day
Sorry, about that... I was referring to the Original film, and not Dawn '04... But while we're on the subject, I liked Dawn 2004 better than LOTD... The box office figures, and the reviews from the general horror audience vouches for that... I see many people giving Land a five star rating, which I find absolutely ludicrous... It was a good Zombie film, but let's leave it at that.

[Parapsycho]

I loved the opening credits!!!! That may be my favorite part of the movie. I was really enthusiastic that Romero went back to his original zombie rules (aside from the inteligence factor), especially the 'Everyone who dies becomes a zombie' rule. They even talk about that in the opening. One person says something about seeng someone die of a heart attack, only to return to life. (Im pretty sure about that. Can someone verify it?) Another says something to the effect of "Everyone comes back; being bitten just makes it happen faster."
Did I get these quotes right, or do I have to go see it again?

[outkast]

To those who hate on the smart zombie: who are you to say what zombies should be/how they should act? GAR basically invented the modern zombie genre. He does what he wants. Give him a break.

Needless to say, I really enjoyed the movie. I put it somewhere in the mix behind Dawn 79 and before Day.

[Sadogoat]

I'll be curious to see what opinions of Land Of The Dead will be like a few years down the line. Let's not forget that Day Of The Dead wasn't very well received by either critics or fans back in 1985 (in comparison to Night or Dawn) - yet nowadays it's regarded by many as a cult classic. The same happened with Alien 3 in Fox's sci-fi franchise (although Land seems to be generally a better fourth installment than the awful Alien Resurrection).

[jackskellington]

you can pretty much say that every movie has a hollywood ending now...

But the more memorable movies do not have Hollywood endings such as Seven, Saw and even the original Night. Granted though, the ending to Land leaves it wide open for a sequel which is what I think they were going for, but no matter how Land would have ended, I don't think it could have possibly saved this movie as a whole for me.

[zombiekilling101]

, the ending to Land leaves it wide open for a sequel which is what I think they were going for,have .

yeah they are, george said something like "this is the only movie ive written in mind to having a seqeal" ie. keeping characters alive.

[chickenchop1]

READ HERE FIRST

June 24th Is Here YESSSSSS Geez time flew by anyways read below

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3. Rate Gore 1. ok 2. very good. 3. Great

4. Write what you liked and did not like

5. Is the story Good?

6. Should Land of The Dead Take over Dawn of The Dead as the greatest zombie horror film of all time?

Again only post if you seen the movie and want to write your review

1. LAND OF THE DEAD was a cool zombie film by the master of the genre, George A. Romero. The zombies, the gore, headshots, zombie feasting and broken down world were all delivered as I would hope. Cholo, played by Leguizamo, was the character I was rooting for, along with Riley and his team. I really hope Romero is able to finish this story with a sequel. I really wanted to see what happens outside the city, since I prefer his characters exploring the dead land. Overall, 8/10, I enjoyed it. Looking forward to the DVD this fall. Wish more fans go to see it while it's still in theaters. I was there opening day, Friday, June 24th, 2005.

2. 3.5 stars. (Needed more exploration outside) Overall, 8/10, I enjoyed it.

3. The gore was great, especially for an R movie. I'm afraid there won't be anything new to see on the Unrated DVD...

4. I really liked the fact that the zombies weren't much smarter than BUB. One of the main reasons I like zombies? They're so stupid you can run circles around them. I liked the story, but wished it had more exploration like the beginning had. I didn't like the scene inside the night club. Thankfully, it didn't last that long, and we were back to the zombie action outdoors.

5. The story was good, but I do wish it was longer, with more exploration in the zombie infested LAND, not just around the city.

6.
Dawn of the Dead is still the King. 10/10
Day of the Dead 8/10
Land of the Dead 8/10
Night of the Living Dead 7/10

[corgi37]

Well, i just hope all the "baggers" dont buy the dvd. If they hate it so much, that would sort of be hypocritical. I mean, people are saying (these are "fans" mind you) "I paid $10.00 to see this crap".

So, i assume, that anyone who hates LAND certainly wont shell out $20.00 for the dvd.

Which is cool. Leaves a thread to those who appreciate the film.

[zombiekilling101]

Well, i just hope all the "baggers" dont buy the dvd. If they hate it so much, that would sort of be hypocritical. I mean, people are saying (these are "fans" mind you) "I paid $10.00 to see this crap".

So, i assume, that anyone who hates LAND certainly wont shell out $20.00 for the dvd.

Which is cool. Leaves a thread to those who appreciate the film.

not to single anyone out, but who said "i paid 10 to see this crap":x

[Kemper]

you sold us out George...how could you do that.

right :puke: talk like that is the biggest juvenile load of crap i've ever heard. :poo:

[zombiekilling101]

you sold us out George...how could you do that.

right :puke: talk like that is the biggest juvenile load of crap i've ever heard. :poo:

what the hell:lol: thats a big load of shit.

[Kemper]

it may have seemed that i was talking about you...i was not. I'm not punking out to a 2000 poster...i just wasn't referring to you.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

I'll be curious to see what opinions of Land Of The Dead will be like a few years down the line. Let's not forget that Day Of The Dead wasn't very well received by either critics or fans back in 1985 (in comparison to Night or Dawn) - yet nowadays it's regarded by many as a cult classic. The same happened with Alien 3 in Fox's sci-fi franchise (although Land seems to be generally a better fourth installment than the awful Alien Resurrection).

What!? Aliens 3 is still considered crap today by true Alien fans. In the minds of true fans, the Alien Saga ended with Aliens.

I wouldn't say that about the Dead series. I think Land is a sufficient ending to the series. I wouldn't mind seeing a new batch of zombie films showing different perspectives. I want to see a road zombie movie. I want to see a group try to make it across the country to a specific safe haven while meeting survivors along the way. Or let's see a group of astronauts return from space to find the world totally overrun by zombies. You could still keep it in the Romero universe, but put it in the hands of a different director for a fresh take.

[Pain]

What!? Aliens 3 is still considered crap today by true Alien fans. In the minds of true fans, the Alien Saga ended with Aliens.

I wouldn't say that about the Dead series. I think Land is a sufficient ending to the series. I wouldn't mind seeing a new batch of zombie films showing different perspectives. I want to see a road zombie movie. I want to see a group try to make it across the country to a specific safe haven while meeting survivors along the way. Or let's see a group of astronauts return from space to find the world totally overrun by zombies. You could still keep it in the Romero universe, but put it in the hands of a different director for a fresh take.

Please define "true fan". Sounds a little pretentious to me.

[Anthony]

Here's (http://filmatism.com/index.php?content/view/58/30/) my review.

[Quinn]

I have a feeling that it will be well regarded in the future, also I would to comment that in some reviews both fan and published that say to the extent "We have waited 20 years and have been let down". That is somewhat taking a piss, I mean come on he wrote the script in 2001 and had to retool it before shooting but it is not like he has been hand crafting the friggin thing plotting every angle and camera shot. Its a movie, not the Sistene Chapel. But all in all I would like people mostly to discuss parts in the film that they liked or had questions about, not to pass judgment on the merits of the filmaker or the film elements surrounding the film.
Have a good day
Quinn (Land is a classic in my opinion, which is only worthwhile to me but ah well.)

[Sadogoat]

Originally Posted by BiscuitsNGravy
What!? Aliens 3 is still considered crap today by true Alien fans. In the minds of true fans, the Alien Saga ended with Aliens.

Excuse me? I don't see what authority has given you have the right to define the opinions of "true fans", presuming to speak on their behalf. What the hell is a "true fan" anyway?

I help run one of the longest-running AvP/Alien/Predator forums on the Internet and Alien 3 is looked on quite favorably by most of the population. You're quite welcome to head over there (http://www.gamegossip.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48) and tell them they're all deluded, of course, but I don't see you having justifiable grounds for saying so.

As far as I can see here, this is all purely your own opinion - not that of the Alien fanbase as a whole.

[zombiekilling101]

it may have seemed that i was talking about you...i was not. I'm not punking out to a 2000 poster...i just wasn't referring to you.


oh i know, i was commenting on whoever said that.

and i like the way this thread is going, we havent had a big descussion/debate/flame war since dawn 04.:) :) :)

[Kemper]

My only problems with Land was the length. I like the characters and wanted to know more.

I also thought it had a sequal ending. My problem is not that i don't want a sequal obviously, but we all know that sometimes the character development we thought was going to come...doesn't most of the time. X-Men cough.

Dawn seems a bit too 70's for my tastes :drinking: :doh:

[BiscuitsNGravy]

Excuse me? I don't see what authority you have the right to define the opinions of "true fans", presuming to speak on their behalf. What the hell is a "true fan" anyway? I run one of the longest-running AvP/Alien/Predator forums on the Internet and Alien 3 is looked on quite favorably by most of the population. You're quite welcome to head over there (http://www.gamegossip.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=48) and tell them they're all deluded, of course, but I don't see you having justifiable grounds for saying so.

Wow. There is a forum for AvP? You mean there is actually a forum for people who like that movie and Paul W.S Anderson? You're sure the forum is not for the comic? Hmm. Oh well, back to the Land of the Dead discussion.

I did like GAR's point about the mind numbing of our society through entertainment. Hooper's character increased the spectacle in the zombie ring by adding a human instead of animals. He used mindless entertainment to control the masses. You keep feeding the mases the drivel and they don't worry about being left out of Fiddler's Green. In our own society we can forget about interational and domestic problems by wrapping our minds around ridiculous reality drivel. You can get more people to call in and vote on American Idol than to vote or call their congressman about a problem. Keep the masses glued to spectacles instead of substance and politicians walk free. The media feeds us the Michael Jackson trail 24 hours a day and people eat it up. Seven dead in Iraq goes unnoticed. Silly. I'm not saying our government is behind all of this but you can definitely see how the society in the movie and ours relate.

[Sadogoat]

Wow. There is a forum for AvP? You mean there is actually a forum for people who like that movie and Paul W.S Anderson? You're sure the forum is not for the comic?

The forums existed years before the AvP movie. They came into being back around 1997 when the first AvP PC game was being announced. Comics? Yeah, they cover those - as well as the merchandise, games, movies, novels, blah blah blah. And, incidentally, opinion seems firmly divided on Anderson's flick - some like it, others hate it. Different strokes for different folks.

But yeah, back on topic....

[jackskellington]

Well, i just hope all the "baggers" dont buy the dvd. If they hate it so much, that would sort of be hypocritical. I mean, people are saying (these are "fans" mind you) "I paid $10.00 to see this crap".

I haven't heard anyone say they "hated" the movie or that they "paid $10 to see this crap." Everyone is simply reviewing their likes and dislikes about the movie which is what the forum is for. I've stated before that I personally won't be purchasing the DVD until I find it for $5 to $10 on a sale rack, but I think most everyone will get the DVD eventually if the extras are worth it. Mind you, if just the movie was put out on DVD with no extras or anything added, then no I more than likely wouldn't purchase it. I LOVE Romero's zombie movies but that doesn't mean he can't make a stinker just because of his past credits and who he is.

[Zombie Mark]

I think there are so many emotions running through the site about this movie, we all need to sit back and listen to what others are actually saying and not just lashing out at a perceived attack (I admit my guilt as to such conduct). So after several more days to think about what I saw Saturday, I'd like to add to my earlier comments.

Was this a bad movie? No, absolutely and emphatically not! In fact, this was in many ways a very good movie, and depending on your tastes, I could honestly see how some would say it was great. The zombies looked absolutely perfect, there were many cool action scenes and I admit it had an interesting, and in fact revolutionary, storyline. Specifically, the aspect of wronged zombies seeking their revenge on the human aggressors.

However, this plot/story was exactly what I didn't like. Not because of the social commentary, but because it didn't deliver what I genuinely appreciate about GAR's first two films - fear and/or dread. I was scared shitless by NOTLD - sure, I was 8 the first time I saw it, but even today it creates a genuine sense of apprehension in me.

Dawn is different. I saw this for the first time when I was 13, and even then was never really scared at any single scene, but I often felt a decent degree of apprehension. Mostly, however, I feel dread and depression when I watch Dawn - its a journey into a post-apocalyptic world that makes you envision how you would try to survive. I've always viewed Dawn as an allegory on the true fear of the time - nuclear holocaust from a showdown with the Soviets, and how the survivors would adapt to living in a dead world. That was likely the greatest underlying fear of all of us here until the fall of the USSR (or maybe I was just a stressed-out kid :) ).

So, with Land making us no longer fear the zombies, but instead sympathizing with them, it robs me of fear/apprehension/dread that is the main reason I see movies of this genre. I've never been a fan of campy movies for that very reason.

However, this is a good movie, maybe even great, for what it is - its just not what I was expecting (I know the script was out there, but I deliberately chose not to read it), and that's what led to my disappointment. That said, I will be buying the dvd the day it comes out as there are many shots I would like to see again, and maybe that will lead me to a greater appreciation of Land.

[Dr. Freudstein]

I wanted desperately to love this film, but Land of the Dead is a little like Diet Soda, it tastes great on the tongue but the aftertaste isn't so pleasant. Its biggest problem is the incoherent script and witless dialogue, to the point that the mono-syllabic zombies are in danger of upstaging the actors. Surely there's only so many times Asia Argento can reprise the role of moody yet kind hearted hooker with a strange knack for handling heavy ordnance. Yes, it has great setpieces, the dead rising from the river after conquering their fear of the river is a great one, but so did Resident Evil 2, and the films are perhaps a little too similar for my liking (ragtag bunch of survivors, big shiny building, super-intelligent zombie).

Though less than subtle, the social commentary was interesting, the assertion that no matter how bad things there will always be divisions of class and wealth, best illustrated by the fact there were more guns between the rich and poor enclaves than between the people and the "stenches". But like a lot of the film it was only touched upon in the briefest of ways, and relied too much on Dennis Hopper's method acting to convey the greed and despair amidst the half ruined city. The latter bore more than a passing resemblance to the Big Apple in Escape from New York, even down to shanty towns and cage fighting for entertainment, so much so I almost expected Snake Pliskin to jump out of Dead Reckoning and fire off a few headshots.

The biggest disappointment is that it just isn't scary, occasionally creepy and grotesque yes, but nothing raised the hairs on my neck or made me grip one of my limbs to see if it was still attached. Yes, thanks to Gregory Nicotero the film takes the prize for the most lifelike neck biting, arm tearing and innard eating, but it's formulaic, nay predictable. The premise that the undead have gained intelligence and discovered cooperation and a penchant for sharp objects is a good idea, and the head explosions and sundry death dealing make for good cinema, but then you wonder if humanity deserves to live if nobody bothers taking a potshot at the rather large black man in a boiler suit leading the pack and wielding a M16.

Romero has an undeniable flair for this type of film, the influence of his original Dead trilogy are undeniable, yet it seems his proteges have learnt more from them than he has himself. When films like Dawn of the Dead (2004) and 28 Days Later challenge the preconceptions of zombie films, as well as giving us survivor characters we can empathize with, it's a shame that Land of the Dead, a film from the master so to speak, relies too much on the visceral than the wit and grit of its contemporaries.

[corgi37]

Dr. Freudstien wrote:

The biggest disappointment is that it just isn't scary, occasionally creepy and grotesque yes, but nothing raised the hairs on my neck or made me grip one of my limbs to see if it was still attached. Yes, thanks to Gregory Nicotero the film takes the prize for the most lifelike neck biting, arm tearing and innard eating, but it's formulaic, nay predictable.

Thats it! That is what i am talking about in a nutshell. (Slaps forehead). How the hell can you say its formulaic and predictable? What do you mean by that? I aint bagging ya, i really want to know. There are some truly original, nay, awe inspiring gore. I've asked this before, but, WHAT DO YOU WANT?? Man, its like nothing will appease some people. I mean, tell me, tell us, what did you want? Another barricade film? Surely you knew the premise. You knew the outline. For the most part, the film is just like the script. I loved the script and think GAR filmed it even better. The ending is blasted mercilessly. Yet, the ending in Day is ok???

I know the fear of dread is gone. And, you missed it, but sheesh, THATS THE POINT!!! Ignoring the problem. Playing games, and having vice and grog and drugs, while the rich cling to what they used to know. No one fears the zombies, they try to forget them. Ignore them. Exploit them. Hope they go away. Get over them! To me, that is a truly original premise for a zombie movie. As opposed to the "Shit! The dead are coming back! What do we do? What do we do?"

Hey, its ok for Boll, Snyder, or Anderson to do that. But not GA. He's done that. 3 times! 4 if you include his Night 90 contribution. So, why do it again? He was inspired to create a whole different theme. Sorry you guys dont get it.

And, for much of the ideas, GAR has used many elements of the Day script. So i hope ya'll like Day, cause you would have hated what he REALLY had in mind. I mean, if Universal says "George, we love LAND. Now, here's another $15mill, go film Day the way you originally intended.

Folks, i assume you would all walk out on that too! Cause there is a rich, corpulent, greedy, abusive Mayor, with some rich hangers-on leading the good life, a bunch of people living in squalor above ground, and heaps of intelligent zombies. Of which, Bub is only one!

So yeah, man, you would have hated day - Big time!

Anyway, by all means, have a go. I can take it. Thats what we are here for. Aussies aint scared of shit. An Aussie is the hero in Land. And now, and Aussie is the number 1 basketball draft pick.

Watch out! You will all be eating Vegemite and drinking Victoria Bitter before too long.

[Dr. Freudstein]

Thats it! That is what i am talking about in a nutshell. (Slaps forehead). How the hell can you say its formulaic and predictable? What do you mean by that? I aint bagging ya, i really want to know. There are some truly original, nay, awe inspiring gore. I've asked this before, but, WHAT DO YOU WANT??I'm not saying it's a bad film by any means; its a good movie in its own right and certainly not House of the Dead by a long, long way. Yes, it's easy for me to criticize, and no, I don't have the answers, but if I watched the film and came away somewhat underwhelmed there must be a reason. It just isn't what I felt Romero could or should have produced, though I'm sure a lot of criticism is better levelled at the producers, backers and to a large extent cinema audiences for preferring visual thrills to tension building, thought-provoking drama.

I thought the dialogue was contrived and the casting for the "human" roles was frankly uninspired, apart from John Leguizamo (Cholo) probably everyone else was outacted by the Butcher (Boyd Banks) and Big Daddy (Eugene Clark). Perhaps that could have been helped by extra screentime in order to "flesh" out the characters. I didn't expect a rugged killing machine for the lead character, Romero is far too subtle for that, but Simon Baker has none of the charisma or empathic quality of Ken Foree. Yes, Romero played a masterstroke in having his strong black character take on an evil mantle rather than that of saviour, even if in reality his survival would be somewhat improbable.

In using the term "formulaic and predictable" I was referring to the use of (or perhaps reliance on) gore as the only real horror element in the film (rather than through atmosphere, dialogue or plot), not a criticism of the prosthetics or special effects (which were, as you aptly put it, "awe-inspiring"). Yet to some extent that's the problem, the reliance on CGI and FX has outweighed the need for strong characters and plotlines.

The point you raised about how mankind would learn to live with the terror and build a society along side it is a good one, but that in itself doesn't break any new ground or really create an exciting dynamic for a film - it is another barricade film, albeit with a slightly larger barricade. Yes, it may be an accurate study of the human condition, and how once the initial horror was over everybody would adopt the same social hierarchy, the rich living in isolation, the poor resorting to vice and addiction; but that's also been done before (even if zombies weren't the antagonists).

It's a film I'm definitely going to have to watch a few times, if only to view it in the context of a horror film with zombies rather than a much-hyped, eagerly anticipated Romero film. I'll no doubt learn to put aside my nagging feelings and ride the rollercoaster, yet I know it's never going to be in my Top Ten Zombie Films (with one "house-of-the-dead-shaped" rotten one)...

[DarthSexy]

[size=2][color=lightyellow]I'm not saying it's a bad film by any means; its a good movie in its own right and certainly not House of the Dead by a long, long way. Yes, it's easy for me to criticize, and no, I don't have the answers, but if I watched the film and came away somewhat underwhelmed there must be a reason. It just isn't what I felt Romero could or should have produced.

Kudos. Like I was saying in another thread, everybody is calling LOTD a pure zombie movie when its more apparently an Action movie with zombies in it, the way Romero had intended Resident Evil to be, but I dont think he has the magic or style needed to make a really good action movie, for creepy scary claustrophobic YES; action? i dont think so.

[Brody]

46 people have rated this FREAKIN FANTASTIC? You'd probally think my films were epic then. (That ain't saying much)

This film is such a let-down on so many levels. Romero had the single opportunity to make the mother of all Zombie films and stumbles hard and drops the rock.

I have said before (and in this forum) that Romero is famous for being responsible for one of the most popular cult classics in film history; that's it. Does this fact make him a great filmmaker or writer? Nope.

I think Geroge get's far too much credit where it isn't really due. All of this mystique how his films are a look into the geopolitical times of that era; I say NUTZ. I say they're simply horror films.

This film is such a let-down. There isn't one single moment where I was pumped. I kept waiting and waiting for something to happen and nothing ever did. Dawn 04's opening scene had me more pumped than this entire film.

The PLOT HOLES were rampant and the script just weak. All of these years to figure it out and this is what we get?

1. Fiddler's Green. Simply one of a thousand other skyscrapers in the city yet this is the only one where peope live? Get off the streets people; move into a building. Why hasn't anyone moved into another building?

2. Why do we hate Dennis Hopper's character? Because they say we have to? Because he lives at the top of the Green? Why do we hate the Rich and privledged at Fiddlers Green? Because they get Lattes? (Nice when Hopper and his Butler Driver casually leave the door open for the dead to get into the underground garage... Give me a freakin break. You go to great lengths to wall up the city but forget to lock the door behind you?)

3. Why can't anyone get away from walking zombies? Use your feet people. Its official; walking zombies are b o r i n g. What a joke. Gimme fast and "I'm gonna catch you you are focked' anydaa over walking zombies. How can they one second be walking along and the next be jumping all over the rich peope at Fiddlers Green Are you kidding me?! Go upstairs at least people.

4. But wait; these zombies sure can 'Jump out' and 'Startle' people quite quick. Must be the reflexes. And what kind of cheap B RATE FILM TRICK is that anyway? IS this George's idea of scary? Oohh! A Zombie jumps out from the darkness. I was more spooked by Jodi Foster walking into Lecters Hallway Jail Cell area than this film. Its atmosphere and this film aint got it.

5. How many INSERT SHOTS of FX GAGS are we gonna see? Person is getting attacked by Zombies; CUT TO FX Gag of Skin tearing. Thought I was watching an FX Reel at one point.

6. The Dead Reckoning? What kind of Comically over the top joke is this? Missle Launchers? GPS Satellite? Tango and Cash? Horrible.

7. The characters were bad bad bad; Pretty Boy? Big Daddy? Slack? Mouse? Come on.

8. Nice composite FX shot of missle explosions; terrible looking.

9. Is the Gas Station LEader Zombie a GAS STATION ATTENDANT or a ROAD WORKER? Cause he was pretty amped on that Jack Hammer.

10. The ZOMBIES walk under water huh. What's next? ZOMBIE SHARKS? Oh wait...

Romero is a B GRADE director and this film proves it. I would be hard pressed if gets another gig after this film. Definatley not by a studio. This film is a let-down. No atmosphere; no scares; thr so called action sequnces are weak and akin to made for TV A-TEAM episode. What is with Robert Joys charcter shooting the little dwarf dude? That was just a bad scene.

This film sucks. What a letdown. Its at the bottom of the barrel for me just above House and right below Resident Evil. Givbe me DAWN 04 or SHAUN or 28 DAYS anyday ver this crud.

2 of 5 Stars (And the second star is simply for being a Zombie film)

[goesaround]

O.K I just saw it a second time AND I just saw it a second time in Montreal Canada. First off. I liked it a lot more the second time. I caught a lot of brilliant political riffs. I mean when the zombies all pick up tools c'mon clearly 'Workers of the World Unite'. The crashed airline! Oh my gosh. The 9/11 third airline went down in western Pa!!!!! A lot of stuff. I mean the fuel pump stuck into the car into a oilman president. I enjoyed it alot more after I got over my serious depression. AND I figured out a major reason what was wrong. Something we all know but have allowed ourselves to forget being lulled with the cameo as we are supposed to. No SAVINI!! Except in night 68 he contributed in Day and Dawn and NOLD 90 (Still the best zombies)his passion BESIDES his stunts Tom's enthusiasm was missing!!!! I really really believe his entusiasm for George and the genre was a serious loss. I mean listen to his commentary in the dvds his excitement is frankly like....well like ours! For some reason we REALLY dont know he was aced out and so was his input. Major emotional loss missing in the movie. I mean I think he sincerly wanted to do 'Diamond Dead' much more then Land of the Dead!!!Frankly I hate to say it think George is tired of Zombies . Unless they serve his purpose. So now THEY became the heroes. Only 3 0r 4 humans were good people, the rest...There was no discussion of science at all and worse no Spiritual anything! Nothing about condominums in Hell being filled, nothing about 'angry boss men'. no gut wrenching existenial fear..Once in the woods in the open jeep when you see that brilliant shot of the zombies as looming threats...There was the old Romero and like another post said when the zombies were on their own.I LOVED the scene in the storeroom with the zombies eating. Ot was like the basement scene in the beginning of Dawn of the Dead. George is great at setting those up. You follow the flashlights beam on the floor anxious to see what the light reveals..The dead eating something.... Last thing, Like I said I saw it in apacked huge movie house in Montreal and they exploded in clapping when Riley mentioned Canada!!!

[Brody]

Except Savini was in it. He was the crazy jean jacket wearing zombie that had a machete and Savini never worked on Night 68. His first film was Deranged in 1974.

Is this what you were implying in your post; I'm lost on the manicness.

Nevertheless. The film was horrible. There was no political riffs especially 'brilliant' ones at that. Just becuase George makes mention of Jihad or Terrorist's doesn't make it suddenly brilliant and clever. I say he was trying to hard on this one.

The flashlight scene I did enjoy and would liked to have seen more atmosphere on that element

[zombiekilling101]

its strange how before land came out, all you people that didnt like land were often praising Geroge and his work, now that you dont like one of this movies, he's now a bad director? sold us out? sold himself and his movies out? wtf?

[Brody]

zombiekilling101

Probally best to be specific on whom you're referring to.

You can speak for the other's on that assessment. I have said all along (and will dig up my post's if asked) that Romero is NOT a good filmmaker and I wish someone else had been lined up to DIRECT this.

I'm in the minority here; I like running zombies and I love Dawn 04.

[zombiekilling101]

ahhh ic, ok i beleive you.

who would you have liked to be lined up to direct his movie? Danny Boyle, Zack Synder, Paul W.S. anderson, all have zomibe action backround.

and i love running zombies and Dawn 04.

[goesaround]

Except Savini was in it. He was the crazy jean jacket wearing zombie that had a machete and Savini never worked on Night 68. His first film was Deranged in 1974.

Is this what you were implying in your post; I'm lost on the manicness.

Nevertheless. The film was horrible. There was no political riffs especially 'brilliant' ones at that. Just becuase George makes mention of Jihad or Terrorist's doesn't make it suddenly brilliant and clever. I say he
Yes 'Outland Pictures' I'd say you were right when you said you 'were lost'. Of course I know Savini was 'in it'. That's why I said what I did about the 'Cameo'. My point was that cameo was just for the fans. His real imput was missing. His imput was loving enthusiasm for the genre. And yes their were brilliant political riffs. To quote the simplistic giveaways that I did not use is missing the subtler ones. Such as the gas bozzle in the car of an oilman president. I loved the video playing of the joys of Fiddlers Green and the wealth shopping mindlessly. The 9/11 plane was pretty clear. But I was pretty clear in my unhappiness with the movie. In fact I felt the political message was much more important to George then the menace of the wasteland that the zombie apocalypse so captures at the base of your spine! Bring that back George. I felt it when they stop the jeep and threaten to leave off Kaufman's henchmen. The shot of the sillouette in the woods was really good. Oh 'Outland pictures' you may find my writing 'manic' but I find yours 'snotty' and we do not need more of that stuff on this board. I may not have been happy with the flick but I cant wait allready for the DVD

[Brody]

ahhh ic, ok i beleive you.

who would you have liked to be lined up to direct his movie? Danny Boyle, Zack Synder, Paul W.S. anderson, all have zomibe action backround.

and i love running zombies and Dawn 04.

None of them really; my underlying point is that Romero just isn't a good filmmaker. His claim to fame is 'Helming a Cult Classic'. I can't say who I would want to Direct 'His' film. You know; just because it's 'his' film don't make it right. Know What I mean?

Oh 'Outland pictures' you may find my writing 'manic' but I find yours 'snotty' and we do not need more of that stuff on this board. I may not have been happy with the flick but I cant wait allready for the DVD

I'm digging it and if I came across as snotty to you I apologize; I was just letting you know I was mis-reading your post possibly; and I did. Now that you made it a little more clear I can dig it and see your point.

Saying your post is manic is just saying to just slow down a bit and I hope my snottiness is not attributed to writing clearly I hope?

It's cool esse. I've been on this board since before the great crash; I know what this board is about.

Anway; it seems the general concensus is "Its cool; its a zombie flick; its not the mother of all zombie films." Admittedly Ill get the DVX as well for just being a Zombie fan. What can you do?

[DarthSexy]

Romero is a B GRADE director and this film proves it. I would be hard pressed if gets another gig after this film. Definatley not by a studio. This film is a let-down. No atmosphere; no scares; thr so called action sequnces are weak and akin to made for TV A-TEAM episode. What is with Robert Joys charcter shooting the little dwarf dude? That was just a bad scene.
This film sucks. What a letdown. Its at the bottom of the barrel for me just above House and right below Resident Evil. Givbe me DAWN 04 or SHAUN or 28 DAYS anyday ver this crud.

2 of 5 Stars (And the second star is simply for being a Zombie film)


Im in complete agreement about your 1-10 arguments, I dont totally agree about this last part. I really dont think his a B grade director, I do believe he has the capacity for so much more, and we've seen it in his original films, I'm sticking to the opinion that he sold out, he got bank and we got crap, he wanted to make an "ACTION" movie involving zombies instead of a REAL zombie movie; he took a shot no matter what his fans thought about it, and it bombed in his face, thats to bad cause I really wanted LOTD to work.

[Brody]

I assure you; I really wanted this to work. I really did. Damn it.

Sigh; DAY is still my favorite ROMERO film. Go Rhoades?

[DarthSexy]

its strange how before land came out, all you people that didnt like land were often praising Geroge and his work, now that you dont like one of this movies, he's now a bad director? sold us out? sold himself and his movies out? wtf?


Praising Romero for his work is not STRANGE at all, there is MUCH to praise.
That doesnt mean his not human, he is, and as such he is perfectly capable of making a crappy movie, selling out his fans or whatever; THAT in itself does not take anything away from his earlier work, wich STILL ROCKS by the way, or his creativity, or his ability to make a really good movie, whatever the genre.We're talkin about Land of the Dead, period. And LOTD in my opinion and many others is a fun summer popcorn movie, but as a Zombie movie it sucked.

I really hope HE DOES make another zombie movie, but dude's gotta remeber his fan base and he has to keep in mind that everybodys got a specialty, his specialty is making audiences feel scared and creepy; not guns and missiles.

[DarthSexy]

I assure you; I really wanted this to work. I really did. Damn it.


LOL :clap: , that's exactly what i said when leaving the movie theater!!!

[corgi37]

As is said Outland Pictures, you would hate the REAL Day. Man, you would have loathed it. But, you like the truncated, butchered version best? Out of all his movies, you like Day the best? A film that was only a fraction of what was intended. A movie with easily the worst acting in all his movies?

Thanks God he didnt make his intended version after all. And, the fact you loathed it, but are going to get the dvd is just...dumb. Is it hypocritical?

Hey, i hate getting shot, but i think i will get shot again. lol - just jerking ya chain a bit.

Dr. Freudstein - Your reply to me was brilliant. I got a better idea of what you wanted. Its what i am trying to get from all the baggers. Every one's a critic, and would-be Director it seems. On so many boards i go to, every knob who went to film school for a term has an opinion. Fair enough, every one is entitled to it (well, in my world, they wouldnt be, but its not my world. Yet).

But your argument about the predictable gore is pretty right. In fact, has been since Dawn. I mean, Day, the weakest of his dead movies, was the most predictable of all. 80 minutes of endless yakking then its: "Ok, budget's nearly gone, send in the zombies and lets do some "gags".

Land i suppose is just the same. But hey, isnt that what you people want? You complain about LAND not being a "GAR" movie, but when he gives you the "Send in the zombies!!!" bit, you whinge. But i do see your point. Its a sad fact of GAR's pacing. It's gotta end in a blood-bath. Its...just gotta. hahaha.

[Brody]

I know you're busting my balls. But let's try not and belittle someones opinion because it doesnt fit their own. Know what I mean?

I wouldnt know too much about the percieved real DAY so I cant form an opinion on that one.

Night is epic of course in all its low-budget black and white glory and DAWN I always felt too cheesy with its blue zombies and Mall Music Soundtrack but DAY is just good times for me. I loved Frankenstien's character but also thought Lori Cardille did a great job and Joseph Pilato's Capt. Rhodes is spot on over the top wonderfulness. Yeah; I loved DAY.

Of course I'll get the DVD; I'm a Zombie fan and have the other DEAD films. It'll complete the library. (I have The Godfather Trilogy when Part 3 sucks, Star Wars Trilogy when Jedi sucked and the Indy Trilogy when Crusade sucks; well I am sure you get the point), IN reality DAWN and LAND are pretty bad while NIGHT and DAy are pretty damn cool. That's one man's opinion.

Hey; you gotta call a spade a spade. The film isn't any good.

[zombiekilling101]

I really hope HE DOES make another zombie movie, but dude's gotta remeber his fan base and he has to keep in mind that everybodys got a specialty, his specialty is making audiences feel scared and creepy; not guns and missiles.

isnt it the point of a director to tell his vision to the audience? A man cant please everyone, he pleased me and most of his fans, that worked out fine then.. of course you gotta put some new aspects in it, which he did, but would we really want another night, dawn, or day?

[DarthSexy]

isnt it the point of a director to tell his vision to the audience? A man cant please everyone, he pleased me and most of his fans, that worked out fine then.. of course you gotta put some new aspects in it, which he did, but would we really want another night, dawn, or day?


Sure he can please everyone, or almost everyone at least; hey, I haven't heard ANYBODY bitch about the original three, no zombie fan at least, those movies are universally accepted by us fans as true Arse Kickers, I think that pretty much qualifies as everyone.

And I'm not so sure you can speak for the entire fan base when you say "most of his fans", lots of fans yes, whole crap loads of fans sure, but then there's another crap load of fans (of wich I am a part) who dont think its a good zombie movie. So lets just speak for ourselves, or instead, lets use the words, lots of, plenty of, enough of, boat loads of or even the here mentioned crap loads of, but let us NEVER use Most Of, cause we really dont know, this is only one forum and theres PLENTY o' fans absent.

And do we really want another Night, Dawn or Day???, HELL YEAH!!!, and let Romero make it, hell let him make Dusk o' the Dead, Afternoon o' the Dead, Evening o' the Dead or even Brunch o' the Dead, who cares, as long as this time he can forget the M16's and missiles and tank-trains and just focus on scaring the living :poo: out of us.

[DarkTOFU]

I'm just kinda interested in the "political commentary" a lot of people are seeing in this film. Some of the scenes or references I'm reading are like seeing animals in the clouds. I agree that GAR has in the past used his films to make statements, but I don't think he does it with every scene. Assuming that he just makes a zombie film to further a political cause is like saying a porn director made his movie to help starving kids in Africa. The movie was enjoyable, but far from perfect.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Sure he can please everyone, or almost everyone at least; hey, I haven't heard ANYBODY bitch about the original three, no zombie fan at least, those movies are universally accepted by us fans as true Arse Kickers, I think that pretty much qualifies as everyone.

I've heard plenty of people be critical of all of his movies.

So lets just speak for ourselves, or instead, lets use the words, lots of, plenty of, enough of, boat loads of or even the here mentioned crap loads of, but let us NEVER use Most Of, cause we really dont know, this is only one forum and theres PLENTY o' fans absent.

I'm not sure why you said the above after just saying "those movies are universally accepted by us fans as true Arse Kickers."

...and just focus on scaring the living :poo: out of us.

But none of his dead films every really focused on scaring the crap out of us. Sure, Night was creepy. Neither Dawn nor Day was really scary...they all, more or less, focused on character interaction and dynamics. I suppose the way some people act in his movies can be considered scary...

I'm just kinda interested in the "political commentary" a lot of people are seeing in this film.

I'm interested too, but we're not going to start talking about it again, okay? Okay.

[corgi37]

Man, i cant believe a fan of the genre doesnt like Dawn very much.

To each his/her own.

Anyway, lets see how Land fares this weekend in the U.S.

[zombiekilling101]

Man, i cant believe a fan of the genre doesnt like Dawn very much.

To each his/her own.

Anyway, lets see how Land fares this weekend in the U.S.


hopefully its going to do well, everyone that doesnt want to wait in lines for War of the Worlds might go see a good horror movie instead.

Im gona go again

[Brody]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Look at this magical thing I'm doing...

[goesaround]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.


I'm just erasing the political talk. Isn't it great?

[Brody]

That's fine; you're the boss.

There really wasn't any talk about it though. Just casual mention of the lack therof and GAR trying to hard to have meaning. :p But hey; I see no problem with putting out a fire before it starts.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I see no problem with putting out a fire before it starts.

That's exactly it; thanks for your understanding. :)

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

The SIG spouting Freedom is the distance between Church and State? And the Howard Dean Avatar?

This is the very first time anyone's ever said anything about my sig. The rule here is to not discuss politics. I don't have anything in my Sig that should be considered insulting to either side. I'm a liberal and I support the seperation between church and state. But, I'm not about to discuss it.

That being said, there's a number of people here with vaguely political bits in their sigs...and that's fine. Just don't discuss/debate it. Dig? :) :-P

[hatefuldisplay]

Well, as a late Fatehr's Day gift, I took my dad to see it. I figured I owed him as much for taking me to see the original Dawn, Fulci's Zombie, and ROTLD at theatres when they were released. To answer the initial questions:

1. I saw it. I can post here. I rule.

2. I give it four out of five stars.

3. Gore was very good. I did expect more from the series and from Nicotero. Hope I spelled his name right.

4. I liked the vehicles. I liked the concept. I didn't like zombies aiming weapons and being so emotional. Some rage works. Pity and sorrow. Eh, not for me, but it worked as a stand-alone piece in that aspect. I thought the whole shopping mall crap was a bit overdone. I would have thought that should have been on a much smaller scale. Just my two cents there. Oh, the zombies looked great for the most part.

5. I liked the story. I found the heroes much more likeable than in Day of the Dead. The bad guys could have been people I hated more. Wanting to hate the bad guys adds more to their demise.

6. Are you retarded? Dawn of the Dead will not be replaced so easily.


Additionally, I found this a far superior film to Day in a number of aspects. Rumors are circulating of a fifth film in some areas. Any one hear anything about that? One can dream can't they?

[DarkTOFU]

Sorry guys, I wasn't trying to be political, just making an observation.

[DarthSexy]

I'm not sure why you said the above after just saying "those movies are universally accepted by us fans as true Arse Kickers."

What I was refering to was that ZK said "he pleased me and most of his fans", I dont think we can make that kind of an afirmation given the ammount of contraversy at the moment about it. And when I said universally accepted by us fans as true Arse kickers, I apologize, didn't mean to generalize the same way ZK did, the thing is I've never heard any zombie fan bash Night, Dawn or Day, or say that there not good movies, being critical about them sure, but negative comments about them are few and far between, thus I took the liberty.

But none of his dead films every really focused on scaring the crap out of us. Sure, Night was creepy. Neither Dawn nor Day was really scary...they all, more or less, focused on character interaction and dynamics. I suppose the way some people act in his movies can be considered scary...

If we get literal and I ask myself when was the last time I was truly scared watching a movie, I guess i'd have to say as a kid when I saw all the original three for the first time, I couldn't sleep for a while, for me that was fear, and the reason I became a Romero fan. Of course now at our age it takes a lot to scare us in a movie, if anything, but even though night dawn or day dont scare us anymore, the formula still manages to get good results. Is this nostalgia? :think:

[zombiekilling101]

universally accepted by us fans as true Arse kickers, I apologize, didn't mean to generalize the same way ZK did,


eww big man.


ok if your so defensive about my generalized statement, i am sorry i offended you. but look at the poll results.. there are alot of foruums just like this one, if the majority likes the film overhere, than odds are the majority likes the film overthere.. not saying that it was better than the rest of the dead series, just that it was a pleasing movie to romero fans.... understand?

[Brody]

I agree with DarthSexy. I'd like to see an actual scary Zombie film. Something the other films have failed to do. Night was creepy and it stops there.

Maybe that's where Romero drops the ball is that his films don't scare people. But they should; it should be a nightmare. In LAND his idea of scaring us is a Zombie walking out form the darkness with suddenly quick agility and reflexes.

28 Days Later has scare appeal; the other's not at all.

Like I mention in my 'Review'; for something called LAND of the Dead we never get the sense it is a LAND FULL OF DEAD; it's more LAND of a Couple Dozen Zombies.

A good horror film should scare the hell out of us; maybe that's why Romeros films have stayed at the cult level? Maybe just a niche film? I mean hell; LAND is stuck at $13,494,795 after a week? Ouch. Not good. I think the number's speak for it enough. If it was good; the number's would be there.

I'm with you guys here; I wanted this film to work. I'm sad and let-down. My brother asked "How was it?" and I said "Eh; not that good." and even he was dissapointed and he isn't the film junkie like me.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Like I mention in my 'Review'; for something called LAND of the Dead we never get the sense it is a LAND FULL OF DEAD; it's more LAND of a Couple Dozen Zombies.

I think the problem here is George's resistance to use CGI... He has made it clear in his DVD commentaries, that he doesn't believe in using it... In Dawn 2004 they used it augment the escape night time scene with that hugh Zombie mob.


A good horror film should scare the hell out of us; maybe that's why Romeros films have stayed at the cult level? Maybe just a niche film? I mean hell; LAND is stuck at $13,494,795 after a week? Ouch. Not good. I think the number's speak for it enough. If it was good; the number's would be there.

I'd wait until the ball stops rolling, but I agree the forecast doesn't look good, and any sequel could be in jeopardy.

[corgi37]

If i was an advertising man, i would put some tv spots on for Land. And they go something like this.

Screen is black. Voice says "Forget the War of the Worlds" - then cut to Big Daddy's head coming out of the water - "The war is already over." - Cut to zombies invading the city, the panic, and shots of the sky flowers.

The fade to black again. Voice says: "And we lost!"

Quick shot of Big Daddy roaring.

Voice says "George A Romero's Land of the Dead".


I reckon that is cool. BTW, Land should recoup easily its production costs this week end.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Quick shot of Big Daddy roaring.

Noooooo! We want people to go see it, not scare them off. :roll:

[zombiekilling101]

If i was an advertising man, i would put some tv spots on for Land. And they go something like this.

Screen is black. Voice says "Forget the War of the Worlds" - then cut to Big Daddy's head coming out of the water - "The war is already over." - Cut to zombies invading the city, the panic, and shots of the sky flowers.

The fade to black again. Voice says: "And we lost!"

Quick shot of Big Daddy roaring.

Voice says "George A Romero's Land of the Dead".


I reckon that is cool. BTW, Land should recoup easily its production costs this week end.

sounds good

[Bad Zombie Night]

Here's how Land of the Dead rates with the other dead movies on the IMDB.

Movie.................................. Rating (Votes)

Dawn of the Dead ............... 7.8/10 (13,400 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0077402/)

Night of the Living Dead ...... 7.6/10 (12,225 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/)

Land of the Dead ................ 7.1/10 (3,555 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0418819/)

Day of the Dead .................. 6.5/10 (5,513 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0088993/)

[DarthSexy]

eww big man.

ok if your so defensive about my generalized statement, i am sorry i offended you. but look at the poll results.. there are alot of foruums just like this one, if the majority likes the film overhere, than odds are the majority likes the film overthere.. not saying that it was better than the rest of the dead series, just that it was a pleasing movie to romero fans.... understand?


There's no way I could be offended by someone stating an opinion, so theres no apology necesary. And the poll results on this thread show a total of 87 voters, 87 out of Hundreds of Thousands or more who have seen LOTD, Romero fans or no, we cant really know if it was pleasing to MOST of them or not.... lighten up.

[DarthSexy]

Here's how Land of the Dead rates with the other dead movies on the IMDB.

Movie.................................. Rating (Votes)

Dawn of the Dead ............... 7.8/10 (13,400 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0077402/)

Night of the Living Dead ...... 7.6/10 (12,225 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0063350/)

Land of the Dead ................ 7.1/10 (3,555 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0418819/)

Day of the Dead .................. 6.5/10 (5,513 votes) Link (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0088993/)


Wow, I would have tought to put Day o bit more up there.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I think the general horror audience doesn't appreciate Day as much as we do.

[zombiekilling101]

I think the general horror audience doesn't appreciate Day as much as we do.

i dont think the genearl audience has seen day.

darth- lightened up:)

[Bad Zombie Night]

i dont think the genearl audience has seen day.

darth- lightened up:)
I said the general horror audience, besides I don't think you're going to find any support from the average movie watcher (aka general audience).

[zombiekilling101]

I said the general horror audience, besides I don't think you're going to find any support from the average movie watcher (aka general audience).

oh ic.....

[DarthSexy]

... not saying that it was better than the rest of the dead series, just that it was a pleasing movie to romero fans....

ZK, just one question, and I'm just asking for a personal opinion, is LOTD in your view the best Romero film out there?

Only asking cause I'm trying to understad comments on post #2 and the one I'm quoting.

[zombiekilling101]

ZK, just one question, and I'm just asking for a personal opinion, is LOTD in your view the best Romero film out there?

Only asking cause I'm trying to understad comments on post #2 and the one I'm quoting.

no I think im still sticking with Dawn of the Dead, i just meant in my number 2 post, that it was the best one that hes written ie, less campy lines and situations.

[Ark]

I've actually seen Day of the Dead a bunch of times on Sci-fi. In fact, I haven't seen the original Dawn. In my opinion, it was a great zombie movie, but perhaps not the best. Great imagination, but not really scary.

[zombiekilling101]

I've actually seen Day of the Dead a bunch of times on Sci-fi. In fact, I haven't seen the original Dawn. In my opinion, it was a great zombie movie, but perhaps not the best. Great imagination, but not really scary.

you mean you havent seen dawn, and have only seen day on the sci-fi channel.. if so you are a poor deprived young man.

[Ark]

you mean you havent seen dawn, and have only seen day on the sci-fi channel.. if so you are a poor deprived young man.

I know, I know.

God, I need help.

[zombiekilling101]

I know, I know.

God, I need help.

we need some intervention with you quick.. if you dont mine my asking.. what zombie films have you seen?

[Ark]

please don't kill me....

Part of ROTLD 3
Dawn of the dead 04
Original Night of the Living Dead (got me hooked on zombies, first one I saw)
28 Days Later
Land of the Dead
Day of the Dead

[zombiekilling101]

please don't kill me....

Part of ROTLD 3
Dawn of the dead 04
Original Night of the Living Dead (got me hooked on zombies, first one I saw)
28 Days Later
Land of the Dead
Day of the Dead

im sorry for you ark.. lolol..
i should kill you. just kidding man.. at least youve seen some good ones... although to me rotld 3 blows a big one.

[Ark]

yeah, it did seem pretty stupid. i checked out DOTD from the library once, but didn't get a chance to watch it.

[hatefuldisplay]

Some one lock this thread. Land of the Dead hasn't been mentioned for several posts unless you count my just typing it. No offense is intended here. I don't spend as much time on this board as I used to and this is one of the reasons. Thanks.

[Jason Voorhees]

This is supposed to be a "LOTD review" thread not another "Wow Land Was Great" thread. I will leave this open for now, but let's please get back to the reviews.http://www.allthingszombie.com/images/jvsmily.gif

[JohnnyZombie]

**SPOILERS**


Just saw it yesterday.

It was really good, and may even become a cult classic in its own right; but its no where near as good as Night or Dawn--and its arguable whether or not it outdoes Day of the Dead. Day of the Dead, IMHO, had some better things going for it than Land, but both of them look like cheaper versions of their originally envisioned selves.

Both, for instance, have a lead zombie who is mentally a step above the rest of his breed. But Day of the Dead's Bub kicks Land of the Dead's Big Daddy to the moon. While Bub managed to be believable as both a dumb and conscientable zombie, the characterization of Big Daddy was an utter mess. At one point he cant figure out that a jack hammer takes a cord to operate, and at another point he's strapping heat around his shoulder like he's a soldier. Still further, in another scene he understands how to make a fire bomb and blow up a limosine. It just didn't make much sense, and was a little silly to boot. Not to mention the god awful screams of his that were just irritating. It was a good idea and would have worked better if they had Bub leading the zombie invasion instead.

A few other things I didn't like about the movie was the lack of extras and sets, and the anti-climactic ending. First the physical depth of the film: there is literally only a few hundred zombies and humans all together. In a scene towards the end the heroes arrive at the city in the vehicle known as Dead Reckoning and witness a gruesome scene of zombies munching on what appears to be the rest of the humans (numbering only about a few dozen); they blow up the zombies and a few dozen more humans walk out from behind the carnage, and alas we have a happy ending. There's literally only a few recognizable sets in the film which are re-used over and over again. We only see one street in the city where the lowly humans all walk around trading and selling wares like post-apocalyptic merchants. And then there's the Fiddler's Green skyscrapper where all the rich living live a life of luxury and complacency within a concrete/glass windowed castle. Later in the film the zombies break into Fiddler's Green and start killing the people, but we see very little of this carnage, and we dont see the zombies going into the upper floors of the building causing more havoc. The little display inherent in the film, leaves you wanting more.

Now the climax: very anti-climactic. Our heroes drive to the city in Dead Reckoning (a multi-million dollar military recreational vehicle on par with a similar contraption from the 1980's comedy, Stripes), and attack a group of zombies munching on the living; some more living come out of the wood work and start walking away from the city; our heroe in Dead Reckoning spots Big Daddy and a bunch of zombies walking across a bridge leaving the city, and decides to spare their lives because "They're just looking for a place to go, like us". There is a last minute scare, but none of our heroes are killed (or even bitten). Then they drive off into the night shooting off fire works, and bah, its a happy ending. Unfortunately, we dont get that last minute zombie rampage with only a few barely escaping with their lives ending that we got in Night, Dawn, and Day. In Land of the Dead the zombies rampage through the city, but they're more like a group of bums loitering in a 24 hour Subway resturant--you know that they're not supposed to be there, and they are stinking up the place, but you dont really care either. This is all happening while our heroes are comfortably safe within Dead Reckoning. That's it, not much danger affects the guys we're supposed to be rooting for. Dead Reckoning doesn't break down, and--like I expected to happen--not one of the heroes gets bitten and is killed by his own friends, or turns into a zombie and kills his buddies--except for Cholo, but I dont consider him a heroe.

My favorite character is a guy named Charlie, who has half of his face covered in burn scars and wear's a tobogan on his head. When we first meet him we as the audience, and a screen character, accidentally mistakes him for a zombie; and in the beginning he acts like an annoying retard who follows around the main character wherever he goes; but we learn to love him through the movie. He had this unusual relationship with the male lead who's life he felt he had to protect because he pulled him from a fire years before. And, even though the guy comes across as a mindless moron, he's pretty sharp with a rifle too. But no danger befalls him in the movie, nor the male lead who's life he is supposed to protect. I was expecting Riley (the male lead) to get bitten by a zombie, and Charlie was going to be forced to shoot him; but that didn't happen. And that's sad, because it would've been more climactic than the hollywood ending we're stuck with. Hopefully there is an atlernate ending that shows this--or at least something better--that GAR can insert in his director's cut for the DVD.

Final Comments: it was a pretty good movie. It had more characterization than the Dawn remake, or other zombie movies that came cut in recent years, but the zombie threat and physical action was very limited--and overall it looks like something that had a better screenplay, but was mis-executed when it finally came to shooting it.

[corgi37]

Not bad review. Pretty fair, and without the hysterics.

If you can, read the DAY script, then read the LAND script.

You will find many similarities.

I think the ending is the way it is because there is the potential for direct sequels, and GAR liked the idea of continuing characters, instead of doing what he has done in 4 movies, and have totally new people.

Oh, a page or 2 back is a reference to Pete and Fran being in the movie. As far as i know, neither actor is in it. However, i, yes me, suggested this would be a cool little inclusion. I said that many moons ago. A nice pan shot of life in the "Green", with the camera panning past a little cafe with Gaylen Ross and Ken Foree having a cappucino.

It didnt happen. If fact, many of the original DAWN zombie extras were originally planned to be in LAND, like Savini was, but those damn Canadians would not allow it.

Yes folks, cardigan zombie was going to make an encore!

[zombiekilling101]

Oh, a page or 2 back is a reference to Pete and Fran being in the movie. As far as i know, neither actor is in it. However, i, yes me, suggested this would be a cool little inclusion. I said that many moons ago. A nice pan shot of life in the "Green", with the camera panning past a little cafe with Gaylen Ross and Ken Foree having a cappucino.

It didnt happen. If fact, many of the original DAWN zombie extras were originally planned to be in LAND, like Savini was, but those damn Canadians would not allow it.

Yes folks, cardigan zombie was going to make an encore!

ahh so you were the one who started that fran and peter craze.. to bad it didnt happen and none of the original zomibes were in it...:)

[corgi37]

Yeah, it would have been cool. Cheezy, but cool.

Then, no doubt, every one would have bagged Romero for including them, and how would the cardigan still be in tact, and why isnt the nurse there and blah, blah, blah.

P.S. I just made myself laugh.

[Zombie Mark]

In Land of the Dead the zombies rampage through the city, but they're more like a group of bums loitering in a 24 hour Subway resturant--you know that they're not supposed to be there, and they are stinking up the place, but you dont really care either.
:) Thanks for the laugh!!!

[Brody]

Johnny Zombie

What a nicely detailed review; I agree and echo your sentiments. This film feels like one big mess. What a let-down.

[zombie2005]

Its Official Land of the Dead landed to the #10 spot last week and by the end of this week it will go down even further. It made just over $16 million total gross. Movie cost $15 million.

Its a sad day I think for us because I belive it will be the last time we see
a Romero on a big screeen. If another is made I think it will be stright to dvd.

Truthfully I think marketing had something to do with it and that the fact most movie goers did not want to see another zombie movie.

The zombie genre is losing its touch, the genre needs new material. It needs to go back to the night of the living dead/dawn of the dead era type films.

Other upcomming zombie fims:

Undead
Risen - Stright to dvd (Note: Looks Awsome)

[Vash]

Went 7 times so far. ( no i have nothing better to do ) I loved it.