Official Land of the Dead Thread

[Coldshot]

i saw it twice. almost saw it again today but i couldnt get a ride.

[corgi37]

Thats the spirit! See it again and again.

And, wouldnt a video game based on the movie be awesome! I know City of the Dead is coming out next year, but a speciific Land game would be great.

I thought it odd there wasnt one for Dawn04.

[Bad Zombie Night]

i saw it twice. almost saw it again today but i couldnt get a ride.
I saw it for the second time yesterday, but I think that's gonna be my limit.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

I'd give this movie an 7 out of 10. It's definitely a watchable movie and worth seeing again. I don't think it will really make you think like the first three movies but it definitely better, in my opinion, than the remakes or Resident Evil.

I'm not a GAR sycophant, so I don't feel the need to praise all of his works. I appreciate his contribution to horror and cinema. Like all directors, he makes mistakes. I think he did well in this movie. It could have been better but this movie could have went wrong in so many places. There were some elements of the movie that could have went so wrong, but GAR managed to make them work. There were some moments that were flat and forced. I also think that GAR was too overt with his have vs. have not message. I thought the messages were more subtle in three previous movies. That huge monstrosity of a building just whacks the audience over the head with the message. That's too much for me. I just wish he would have spent more time with the character development. I really like the character types but I didn't get to know them enough to really care for them. In my opinion, this is why this zombie hit is more popcorn fare than classic. It's still a must see though.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I'd give this movie an 7 out of 10. It's definitely a watchable movie and worth seeing again. I don't think it will really make you think like the first three movies but it definitely better, in my opinion, than the remakes or Resident Evil.
On a 10 scale, that's about the rating I would give the film... Perhaps a little higher, I'm not sure... I also agree with that there is room for improvement with this film.


I'm not a GAR sycophant, so I don't feel the need to praise all of his works. I appreciate his contribution to horror and cinema. Like all directors, he makes mistakes.
That's exactly what I feel about him when it comes to critiquing his work... I'm glad someone else finally said it. :mrgreen:

[jackskellington]

Found a bootleg copy of Land in the backseat of a car during a vehicle search yesterday afternoon. It was in a thin store bought DVD case with a color copy of the movie poster inserted for the cover. They also had Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Suspects said they were headed from NY to Miami, (Hence the vehicle search!). Any of you up north seen this on the streets yet? I know the bootlegging is pretty rampant nowadays but I don't usually see them this quickly seeing as how Land just hit theaters on Friday.

[preacher]

to be honest if its only a 7/10 movie i think i can wait

maybe if it was a 9 or 10/10 id be impatient but 7/10?

[BiscuitsNGravy]

Found a bootleg copy of Land in the backseat of a car during a vehicle search yesterday afternoon. It was in a thin store bought DVD case with a color copy of the movie poster inserted for the cover. They also had Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Suspects said they were headed from NY to Miami, (Hence the vehicle search!). Any of you up north seen this on the streets yet? I know the bootlegging is pretty rampant nowadays but I don't usually see them this quickly seeing as how Land just hit theaters on Friday.


They're pretty fast these days. Star Wars ROTS was out on bootleg almost before the movie came out. It's ridiculous. These people are killing the movie industry. Of course they'll just pass the cost on to the public by tightening the budget on movies and raising ticket prices.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

to be honest if its only a 7/10 movie i think i can wait

maybe if it was a 9 or 10/10 id be impatient but 7/10?

A 7 out of 10 isn't bad for a movie. I'm just being critical. I think it's silly for people to throw arond 9s and 10s for everything. It devalues the rating system. Let me put things in perspective. Here are a few examples of movies that are 9s or 10s IMO:

Godfather 2
Shindler's List
On the Water Front
Saving Private Ryan
Dr. Strangelove

In my favorite genre:
Empire Strikes Back
Night of the Living Dead
Alien
Evil Dead 1
The Body Snatchers

A seven or and eight is still good compared to that. Remember, 5 is supposed to be average. That means you could wait for it on video or miss it and still be okay. The movie, 28 Days Later is a high eight for me. I gave this movie an seven because it had an adequate amount of gore, likely, if not loveable, characters and a good story. It could have been better. I think it's worth watching at the movie once and then buying it on DVD. I'll definitely add it to my collection. The problem with the movie, there's nothing that sits with you. The previous three movies left me with images and words in my head. This one doesn't leave me with a whole lot. Hmm, maybe I should drop it to a 6.5 then. Oh well. I'll stick with a seven for now. I want someone to be honest and tell me if there is anything they will remember from this film 10 years from now. I doubt it. But who doesn't remember, "you may be the boss down there, but I'm the boss up here"? This from a black guy talking to a white guy like that in the 60s. How about Peter putting the gun to his head and changing his mind at the last moment, then kicking some zombie botty? How about, "I'm running this show Frankenstein and I want to know wtf you're doing with my time"? You get the point. This one needed to be longer. DVD outtakes will not fix that. It needs to be longer storywise and in character depth. Still a good movie though.

[MonsterHunter]

Found a bootleg copy of Land in the backseat of a car during a vehicle search yesterday afternoon. It was in a thin store bought DVD case with a color copy of the movie poster inserted for the cover. They also had Mr. and Mrs. Smith. Suspects said they were headed from NY to Miami, (Hence the vehicle search!). Any of you up north seen this on the streets yet? I know the bootlegging is pretty rampant nowadays but I don't usually see them this quickly seeing as how Land just hit theaters on Friday.

Did you confiscate it? I wonder if the boot is the original film, or one of those that are filmed in the theatre.

[MonsterHunter]

They're pretty fast these days. Star Wars ROTS was out on bootleg almost before the movie came out. It's ridiculous. These people are killing the movie industry. Of course they'll just pass the cost on to the public by tightening the budget on movies and raising ticket prices.

But why does anyone want to watch a low quality bootleg? No way I’m going to ruin my first viewing experience this way. If I have waited this long so I can wait a little longer.

[jackskellington]

Had it in my hand ready to tell the driver that I would have to seize it but then my staff sergeant arrived on scene so I tossed it back into the car. My staff sergeant is kind of a prick and would have made certain that I turned the DVD into the evidence locker since he knows how I am about zombie flicks.

[jackskellington]

Went on Bearshare a little while ago and saw that Land can already be downloaded. I'm sure it's on Kazaa and Limewire and all that as well. One of the guys I work with downloaded Episode III last night and watched it and said that it was excellent quality and was not on a handheld camera in the theater or anything like that. I'm just posting that for info but if I were any of our European fans who have to wait to see it, you really should wait until it hits theaters so that you're money is supporting the genre.

[MonsterHunter]

Had it in my hand ready to tell the driver that I would have to seize it but then my staff sergeant arrived on scene so I tossed it back into the car. My staff sergeant is kind of a prick and would have made certain that I turned the DVD into the evidence locker since he knows how I am about zombie flicks.

:)

Did the cover artwork look pro?

[jackskellington]

:)

Did the cover artwork look pro?

Negative. Just a color pic of the poster from a laser printer, nothing more.

[MonsterHunter]

Went on Bearshare a little while ago and saw that Land can already be downloaded. I'm sure it's on Kazaa and Limewire and all that as well. One of the guys I work with downloaded Episode III last night and watched it and said that it was excellent quality and was not on a handheld camera in the theater or anything like that. I'm just posting that for info but if I were any of our European fans who have to wait to see it, you really should wait until it hits theaters so that you're money is supporting not only the genre but the overall success of Land as well.

I will wait, no way im going to ruin this moment. Actually im looking more forward to buying the DVD, since my last experience at the theatre was horrible. When I watched SW Episode 3 in the theatre there was a bunch of youngsters that where cheering and clapping there hands trough out the whole movie.

I swear I was about to explode.
:x

[jackskellington]

I will wait, no way im going to ruin this moment. Actually im looking more forward to buying the DVD, since my last experience at the theatre was horrible. When I watched SW Episode 3 in theatre there was a bunch youngsters that where cheering and clapping there hands trough out the whole movie.

I swear I was about to explode.
:x

Screw that! They're kids and if they're acting like kids then they should be treated as such. Take charge of your movie experience and get loud with them! They go in large groups like that thinking that no one will say anything when they start making all that racket but if you just stand up and get loud with them you'll be pleasantly surprised at how many adults in the theater follow your lead. If the kids still don't shut up there's usually enough noise being made to get management involved and who's side do you think they're gonna take? That's right, yours!!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Went on Bearshare a little while ago and saw that Land can already be downloaded. I'm sure it's on Kazaa and Limewire and all that as well. One of the guys I work with downloaded Episode III last night and watched it and said that it was excellent quality and was not on a handheld camera in the theater or anything like that. I'm just posting that for info but if I were any of our European fans who have to wait to see it, you really should wait until it hits theaters so that you're money is supporting not only the genre but the overall success of Land as well.
I heard the MPAA, or the major movie companies, have handed out lawsuits to people trading movies, similar to the lawsuits handed out for MP3 trading... Is there any truth to this?

[Some_Day...]

:clap: I agree that if I've waited this long I can wait a little longer. Besides when you're at the pictures you can feel the atmosphere, you feed off other people's fear and emotions and the surround sound kicks ass too!!! Watching it at home just isn't the same. I also agree that we need to show our appreciation for the genre in a way that can be counted in a monatary way...after all if Land makes enough money, they'll thorw shit loads of money back at it for the sequal...if there is one....

[jackskellington]

I heard the MPAA, or the major movie companies, have handed out lawsuits to people trading movies, similar to the lawsuits handed out for MP3 trading... Is there any truth to this?

It's kind of a back and forth thing but I really don't think they go after people doing just a few songs/movies and then deleting them. Don't take my word for it though 'cause that may not be the case at all, I'm only giving my opinion. I'll admit that I download music as I'm sure everyone else here does, but I do always go out and purchase CD's put out by bands I want to ensure get my support such as Dropkick Murphys and Flogging Molly. There was a ruling on this today in fact...

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050627/ap_en_bu/scotus_file_sharing_24

[zombiekilling101]

I heard the MPAA, or the major movie companies, have handed out lawsuits to people trading movies, similar to the lawsuits handed out for MP3 trading... Is there any truth to this?

yes it is, a person at school had a big bootleg dvd selling thing, and the cops busted his ass. plus theres been commericals about how bootlegs take away money from the workers of the movie industry.. and its illegal so dont do it.

[jackskellington]

yes it is, a person at school had a big bootleg dvd selling thing, and the cops busted his ass. plus theres been commericals about how bootlegs take away money from the workers of the movie industry.. and its illegal so dont do it.

That is the best advice on this subject. If you're unsure about whether or not the Feds are handing out lawsuits then just don't do it. It sounds like that kid doing the bootleg thing at school was a pretty obvious and easy bust but as ZK101 stated, even if you just download 1 movie for personal use and never even burn it onto disc, it still takes away from the workers of the industry and will only increase ticket prices for all of us in the long run.

[MonsterHunter]

Screw that! They're kids and if they're acting like kids then they should be treated as such. Take charge of your movie experience and get loud with them! They go in large groups like that thinking that no one will say anything when they start making all that racket but if you just stand up and get loud with them you'll be pleasantly surprised at how many adults in the theater follow your lead. If the kids still don't shut up there's usually enough noise being made to get management involved and who's side do you think they're gonna take? That's right, yours!!

I will do it the next time it happens and 100& sure it will! One of my friends said he has stopped going to the theatre because of this problem. It seems like the trouble makers are winning.

[Quinn]

I would like to extend a little advice to people who are thinking about downloading it, I would not. Why? Mainly because I had a friend who wished to download it in Ireland (no one from these boards), so after about 4 days of leaving his computer on it finally came through. What did he end up with? Two porno movies that were listed as Land, and a comp virus so please do yourself a favor and try not to download it for practical reasons beyond the more moralist ones.
Have a good day
Quinn
PS: I have seen it twice and give it a 9.5 out o 10. It was great and a nice change for a Romero movie, less static and more dynamic cinematography and story movement. A am amped about the DVD mostly because I have a feeling there will be more scenes that fill it out a bit more. Also upon leaving the the theater I observed a strange phenonmenon.A group of People were talking about how they loved Dawn more, when asked by a member of the group whether they ment the orginal or the remake about 99.9 of the group asked what remake? I think that is kinda of a problem in that people do not really know the orginals, but hopefully this will get them intrested.
Have a good day
Quinn

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

This might seem like an odd idea, but I'll throw it out there anyway. How about...not downlaoding Land of the Dead because it's wrong? How about having some respect for Romero and just waiting and paying to see it? Honestly, sometimes some of you really make me wonder. Everyone goes on and on about how great Romero is and how swell it is that he got to make Land, and gee, wouldn't it be neato if he could continue making movies, especially zombie movies? And then we entertain the idea of just downloading it instead of waiting. For shit's sake, just suck it up and wait for it. Have some respect.

And for those of you who don't care and will downlaod it anyway, I wish a terrible, horrible virus on your computer and one for you yourself (preferrably in the bikini area), just for an added kick in the ass.

And no, I don't feel bad saying that. For those of you considering downloading, you should be ashamed. And don't give me that crap about "Oh, well, I'd still pay to see it when it comes out." Screw that. Just deal with it and wait. I also don't want to here anything about "Oh, but you're in the states and you've already seen it, blah, blah, blah." Well, you didn't see me crapping myself stupid and downloading The Undead or Shawn of the Dead.

*end of rant*

[Bastard Turtle]

Well, I've just seen it for the second time, and well...my views...

First thing, I have to say this: Pilsbury and I have the exact same boots! I'm not even kidding, he's wearing Demonia's, and I've got the same pair. They've got steel toes on the outside, and then they're platforms. Big Platforms. Hehe...nevermind, I love those things, and just thought that it was incredibly awesome to see something I wear everyday in a Romero movie.

I loved Hopper, especially the "get down!" BANG part.

Perhaps its the 17 year old liberal in me talking, but I really liked the inclusion of Mulligan and Co. Mainly because its something seen today, especially since a friend of my Aunt's recently had to go to extra screenings at the airport because the government files on her blacklisted her because she'd been part of a liberal pro-choice group that often speaks against the Bush camp.

Then, Riley...he seemed like I think many would be after this...Emotionally stifled and dead. Yeah, he's got "friends" but...they aren't really all that important to him, and he just rings true for the opposite of those that ignore the problem inside the Green.

"Oh, we're ****ed." I thought that was incredibly profound, actually...Because I'm awaiting the day that the right wingers realize just what they've done to America later on down the line.

Okay...aside from the political.

ZOmbie intelligence...Its been there the whole time. Zombies in Night picked up bludgeons...In Dawn they remembered shopping, moving pucks with sticks, guns...Steven found the way up into the apartment...Bub...C'mon...George has been telling us the whole time "they're us, we're them, they're us."

"They're learning...they're actually learning..."
"Scared...they know what'll happen once Frankenstein gets ahold of them."

They're more cogniscent then I think people truly give them credit for.

[UgLy_eLf]

And then we entertain the idea of just downloading it instead of waiting. For shit's sake, just suck it up and wait for it. Have some respect.


Rant all you like I'd still download the movie to subdue my anticipation, then buy it later.

[Shotgun]

Steven found the way up into the apartment.

not only did flyboy find his way up there , he also lead all the other zombies up too!!! why did they follow him??

[corgi37]

Well, i managed to see some of it last night. Dont ask how! hahaha.

I have 1 comment.

"What do you people want?????"

Seems its become very popular to bag this film. I just dont get it. People seem to be lining up with the most pathetic insults.

1 major thing i am seeing is the acting. Here and othe boards, every one is saying so-and-so is crap, so-and-so cant act.

Like any one in DAY was anything but ham. Ham with cheese, i might add.

I dont know if this is a genre specific thing, a horror thing, a GAR thing, or what. But i have seen better reviews of really crappy Z-grade shit than i have with LAND.

Is it like a contest or something?

P.S. Maybe my comments should be on the review thread? I'll post there too.

[jackskellington]

...Perhaps its the 17 year old liberal in me talking... .

I was liberal at 17 as well, but then one day everything my parents kept warning me about came true.

... especially since a friend of my Aunt's recently had to go to extra screenings at the airport because the government files on her blacklisted her because she'd been part of a liberal pro-choice group that often speaks against the Bush camp...

Some People in liberal pro-choice groups often commit murder of innocent people. Airport security were simply doing their jobs as I would hope they do if ANY of us have to get on an airplane.


"Oh, we're ****ed." I thought that was incredibly profound, actually...Because I'm awaiting the day that the right wingers realize just what they've done to America later on down the line.

Seems to me that alot of the things wrong today are the trickling down effects from the 8 years we had of a draft dodging lying coward being in office.

'Nuff said on the political tip.


ZOmbie intelligence...Its been there the whole time. Zombies in Night picked up bludgeons...In Dawn they remembered shopping, moving pucks with sticks, guns...Steven found the way up into the apartment...Bub...C'mon...George has been telling us the whole time "they're us, we're them, they're us."

I agree that the "smart" zombies have always been there but it was only because it's something they used to do. Falling down on the mall escalators and sitting in a goal net on the ice playing with a hockey puck are VERY different behaviors from leading a group of zombies to a hostile takeover of a city and training them to use firearms. As for Bub, he was a soldier in his past life and therefore had the faded memory of how to use a pistol. Big Daddy was a gas station attendant.

[Quinn]

Two things real quick.
1) ZAGG, I dont get the feeling that many people here are going to download it. Of course perhaps I have read the audience wrong, but I think most individuals here have seen the film already in the theaters. That is not to say that it allows them the right to download it, but I do not think people will be inclined to.
2) Skellington and Turtle: Discussing things with in the film is cool, however I think that there are certain limits to which the realm of politics will be allowed on the forums. For example Turtles comment in regards to his aunt and blanket comment on right winged polticians and Skellingtons somewhat umbrella comments on pro choice liberals and the Clinton adminstration. Both seem kinda out of bounds of the film.
Have a good day
Quinn

[jackskellington]

Two things real quick.
1) ZAGG, I dont get the feeling that many people here are going to download it. Of course perhaps I have read the audience wrong, but I think most individuals here have seen the film already in the theaters. That is not to say that it allows them the right to download it, but I do not think people will be inclined to.
2) Skellington and Turtle: Discussing things with in the film is cool, however I think that there are certain limits to which the realm of politics will be allowed on the forums. For example Turtles comment in regards to his aunt and blanket comment on right winged polticians and Skellingtons somewhat umbrella comments on pro choice liberals and the Clinton adminstration. Both seem kinda out of bounds of the film.
Have a good day
Quinn

I agree Quinn. Guess I got off on a rant when Turtle fired off about "right wingers." Land does have alot of political undertones to it though which is probably one of the reasons I didn't like it as much as I was expecting. Seems like GAR wrote a very simple script to voice his opinions.

[tarman]

Seems to me that alot of the things wrong today are the trickling down effects from the 8 years we had of a draft dodging lying coward being in office. :clap: :clap: :clap:

gar has a wonderful way of taking real world situtations and meshing them with zombies. it's truly an awesome talent. it's hard to keep our political feelings to ourselves, when this movie strikes so deep into the heart of today's world. however, i'd much rather see a zombie apocalypse then our current path of a nuclear apocalypse.

dennis hopper plays a very bush-like character (except awesome) and land of the dead digs deep at our (american) current social/political standing. that may bring real world politics into this forum only because for many of us, it is a painful burning issue that effects us deeply. so i guess i'll leave my poltical opinions out of the forum...even though bush is a lying, murderering, incompetant, son of a bitch... but that's besides the point. i'm probably going to get extra frisked at the airport now :)

hopper's line "we do not negotiate with terrorists" put it over the top for me. and i can totally see george w snorting coke and shooting his henchmen.

[Bastard Turtle]

My bad...on the whole...blanket comment...yeah, anyways...I thought that George hit another one out of the park, so...just...saying...why I liked it thats all, and how I relate it to everyday life. (as I see it)

So...everyone agrees, Land kicks ever so much ass?

[Shotgun]

Political arguments on NON-POLITICAL boards can turn freinds into enemies real fast, wouldn't it be better to not go there??? :loon:

[XposedGuts]

just saw it today...one word...amazing.

[elaire26]

So, raise your hand, how many old school movie fans caught the Sgt. York turkey shoot tribute in Land of the Dead...

Technico

[Ark]

I saw it twice in a row, it was so ****ing good!

[DarthSexy]

Im sorry, but, did you people actually see the movie?, or is it just the media hype talkin'?, I mean come on, please, dear God please, we are all fans of Romero and of his work, but dude went Gearge Lucas on ALL our butts, Romero was THE MAN who established all the modern zombie principles we know and love, like "Shoot'em in the head they die" "they have a primal fear of fire" and that kinda stuff, things that are now Canon for all zombie lovers.
Yet after 20 years, 20 years my friends, he comes to us with this Hollywood Shootem up CRAP!!!, I mean, where were the Romero Reporters, the Romero News Flashes, the Romero Tragic or Ironic Ending, i mean, at the end of the film it all like, NO THERES PEOPLE THERE---NO, THEY'RE ALL DEAD-----BOOOOOMM!!!, and five minutes later its EYE TO EYE CONTACT WITH SEMI SENTIENT SEMI INTELLIGENT ZOMBIE (with no explanation of how it happened by the way) AND A----NO, LET THEM GO, THERY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO GO, JUST LIKE US!!!

DEAR GOOOOOOOD, what happened???,
ill tell you what happened, we were SOLD OUT!!!, thak you mister Luc.... oh sorry, Mr. Romero.......hmmph, same thing.

[guerrilla]

I was liberal at 17 as well, but then one day everything my parents kept warning me about came true.

well i'm glad i was never told that stuff and aparently it never came true...lol


Some People in liberal pro-choice groups often commit murder of innocent people. Airport security were simply doing their jobs as I would hope they do if ANY of us have to get on an airplane.

so do ultra conservative christians, but i've never heard of them detaining any future abortion clinic bombers at the airport.



Seems to me that alot of the things wrong today are the trickling down effects from the 8 years we had of a draft dodging lying coward being in office.

can't argue with you there, although unfortunately, he's still in office

[guerrilla]

Im sorry, but, did you people actually see the movie?, or is it just the media hype talkin'?, I mean come on, please, dear God please, we are all fans of Romero and of his work, but dude went Gearge Lucas on ALL our butts, Romero was THE MAN who established all the modern zombie principles we know and love, like "Shoot'em in the head they die" "they have a primal fear of fire" and that kinda stuff, things that are now Canon for all zombie lovers.
Yet after 20 years, 20 years my friends, he comes to us with this Hollywood Shootem up CRAP!!!, I mean, where were the Romero Reporters, the Romero News Flashes, the Romero Tragic or Ironic Ending, i mean, at the end of the film it all like, NO THERES PEOPLE THERE---NO, THEY'RE ALL DEAD-----BOOOOOMM!!!, and five minutes later its EYE TO EYE CONTACT WITH SEMI SENTIENT SEMI INTELLIGENT ZOMBIE (with no explanation of how it happened by the way) AND A----NO, LET THEM GO, THERY'RE JUST TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO GO, JUST LIKE US!!!

DEAR GOOOOOOOD, what happened???,
ill tell you what happened, we were SOLD OUT!!!, thak you mister Luc.... oh sorry, Mr. Romero.......hmmph, same thing.

this is the shit i'm sick of. who are any of us to call GAR a sellout for making the movie he wanted in the universe he ****ing created. if GAR says the zombies evolve, they ****ing evolve. who are any of us to call him a sellout for that? so he doesn't like to rehash the same damn story every time. his universe is evolving and so far its been one hell of a ride and i hope that ride continues. cheers to GAR for making LOTD. if you don't like the movie, you have every right to say so, but to call him a sellout just because you disagree with choices he made in the script/film is stupid as hell. i'll say the same thing i said before. it's hard to make everyone happy when making a film (lucas or GAR) that everyone has been waiting 15 to 20 ****ing years to see. your expectations were way too high, and that is YOUR fault/problem, not GARs. please Mr. Romero, make many more zombie films and ignore fools like this.

[tarman]

ugh!!! i never want to hear george romero being compared to george lucas. george lucas is an awful awful man. land of the dead is an osmium 76-dense, thought provoking movie. star wars is a piece of cgi crap.

land of the dead is a drastic change from the day of the dead, which also happened to be filmed 20 friggin' years ago. of course there are going to be some new ideas and styles. it will take some time for those not intially floored by the movie (such as myself :) ) to really soak it in. kind of like how i've recently discovered a love of macaroni salad after years of ignorance.

but! i think that in 20 years, we will still be watching and discussing this movie on some futuristic zombie message board. it really is a classic-calibur film.

i'm going to ignore all negative land comments because i just don't believe in them! come to your senses! :drinking:

[Grimmley]

Just registered, but been lurking.

I'm torn on this; on the one hand, we do get probably the best zombies of any zombie film, but a number of flaws just kept punching me in the face the whole time. Most have already been mentioned(too fast paced and crammed, cheesy ending, society too advanced, etc). It was definitely overwraught at times, as has been suggested, probably because this was a big studio film (I half-expected this for that very reason). I also found it a bit too lite for my taste - too morally dualist - as if there was a mitzvah somewhere on the script header that said God(nZambi?) protected all good main characters from undead onslaught and insured all the mean old post-capitalist Enronites would meet unsavory ends. I suppose tons of the sympathetic street sketches did get the ax, err, teeth, but I expected more peril upon the primary characters. This is a bit akin to the dearth of zombies in the mall in Snyder's Dawn. I know the last two had shakily happy endings; I just expected more all-around existential horror. The bleakness of the ending was always the final selling point for me with Night and part of what made it such a classic to begin with.

The acting was...pretty bad, or so I thought. Some people did alright, maybe the dialogue was a bit hackneyed and they tried. I could tell some one skimpted on the writing with this one(probably for mass market appeal dumbdown). Even with the softcore porn-grade acting in Day, the dialogue was believable, even witty. The lead guy is OK enough, and the burned, mentally challenged fellow was actually spot on. Asia Argento's performance seemed kinda strained to me, but the script clearly rushed her character to death. Hopper was the best of all. And the actors playing the "lead" zombies were as good as the role can ask for. Big Daddy's cry of anguish was maybe overdone, but that was the script and wasn't THAT bad any way. Bub did the same thing in Day, just with less melodrama. Several characters were there as fodder, like in Snyder's remake, and a few seemed specially designed as pure jesters. Enough with the comic relief. Bring on the horror already!

The computer systems and missiles were lame and interrupted suspension of disbelief(improbable zombie biophysics aside, naturally). Surely society would be left in a more primitive way, rich overlords or not. The shopping malls are, after all, all quite closed by now. Matter of fact, the whole Dead Reckoning thing seemed done badly to me and was one of the more boring portions of the film. I know Romero cherishes it, and it could be good, but it was rushed and too typically all-American-action-film-ish for this movie's background and essence. More obnoxiously flamoyant than the hypertech toys was Big Daddy's final confrontation with Kauffman. I knew it was coming and winced any way - absurd, melodramatic, typical Holywood schlock! I kept expecting Ahnold to show up and say something like, "And now you're the un-un-dead" or some such tacky prattle. Surely the studio guys made Romero overcomplicate that scene in such an unbelievable way...none of the prior films had any such nonsense. While a vaster zombie horde would have been nice, I was complacent with the amount had. As far as Big Daddy not getting killed despite being on point, you just have to go with that. How else could Romero have done that? You just expect him to "survive" or whatever zombies do because he's Bub-esquely sympathetic. And as for his much maligned empathy with his cohorts, remember how Bub was saddened and enraged by the death of his teacher-master, and how he sought revenge. with a gun no less. Same exact concept, except now there's a zombie proto-culture for such empathy and human traits to exist. They are still us under there, we're left to presume.

That leads me to one last, big gripe. I sternly expected not one, but several "Bubs" *within* the city. In fact, I had it out in my head that trained "enlightened" zombies from within would be responsible for the final breech by those outside. I actually demanded these characters ahead of time and was sourly disappointed by their absense. But it's not my movie, is it? Alas.

No fault of Romero or the studio, but the copy they're running here in Alabama is VISCIOUSLY cut. Some one would fall and decayed hands would set forth and bam! Next scene. Laaaaaaame, It was like watching it on TBS. Are the anti-gore standards really so extreme? Why leave in titties and the "**** this and **** that" but draw a noose for the blood 'n' guts?! I thought Americans were more stressed by sex stuff and naughty words than violence? Are we becoming...gulp...Germany?* Oh well, that's what director's cut DVD's are for. And I WILL be buying it, even if just for guts and because it's Romero, damnit.

Things I did like:

Hopper's performance. He's always an excellent villain in my opinion. I loved the scene where he shoots his lacky. Normally, I would have frowned on too much humor and wanted a very serious film, but that was classic.

The zombies. Like a continuation of Day but improved. And the clown returns!

The gore, or what gore I was granted by the reigning Lords of Morality. This and Batman Begins have finally proven the worth of CGI to me. It's advanced enough now that you can hardly see it as a visual techno-overdub.

Asia Argento, especially in that fluzzy get-up. I love even ugly exotic women, so you can see how I enjoyed her in this.

Savini's cameo with the original Dawn reference. One small bitch, and this is nitpicking in the truest sense of the word, but his leather looked WAY to pristine to belong to a biker of the dead. Surely it'd have been all trashed out by then. Same for the very noticeable lack of rot on Big Daddy's head. No matter, the reference was appreciated here.

Zombie evolution. I for one enjoyed the use of weapons to take down prey. I even wanted a small bit more zombies with guns, just to make the crusade's success a little more realistic against the soldiers. I also actually liked the empathy and revenge angle and the expected theme of working/middle class revolution along with the continuation of "they are us." There's even a nice subtext in there about some living humans being, in macrocosmic ways, more parasitic, predatory, and dangerous to other humans than the roving deceased themselves. And, despite my "happy movie" ache, it's fairly nihilistic in that the zombie horde massacre of the town eventually liberates the surviving street people from their mega-yuppie masters. Maybe I think too much.

Stronger zombies. Odd perhaps considering the original script description had them so decayed they were falling over. Maybe they actually "get the hang of being dead" and gain some strength. Maybe they get stronger as they feed. Maybe strong zombies with big knives and bats are just alot more intimidating in the post-'super-undead sprinting ghoul' era. I go with the latter.

And finally, just having, after long last, a new Romero "Dead" flick, slightly below the previously set bar or not. Truth be known, I would have loved a film even 3/4ths as good. I just had high hopes, as did many of us. Maybe next time.

(If there is a next time! Bad box office slump in 85 and an ever deepening one today. Herbie did better than Land and it's considered a flop by kiddie movie standards. Maybe, no definitely, Romero could do better with his old small buggets, far away from big Hollywood marketing departments. Leave that to some one who can handle it with the grace to produce a blockbuster...I'm lookin' at you, Steven Spielberg. Seeing WotW Friday and taking my Ritalin on the way, thank you very much, Mr. Cruise.)

*Obligatory PC note: I love Germans(especially German women). But anyone posting here from Germany will themselves be pissed at the censors over there. Same for most of Europe I guess really. I hold US movie makers to higher standards of violence. We invented the frickin' Western for God's sake, and those were based on dastardly shite we really did at one point! Oh well, Republican anti-media Borg today, and Hilary in '08. Then we will all have a Mommy to take yet bigger scissors to those mean ole scary movies.

Sorry for length, but the hype requires it. That and I'm on my 5th grande java in two hours. Comments?

[DarthSexy]

It may be HIS UNIVERSE, and they may be HIS movies, but WE ARE THE ONES buying the tickets, without wich there would BE NO ROMERO UNIVERSE OR MOVIES, and speaking my opinion doesnt make me a fool, yet your responses do make you do make you sound like blind and ignorant kiss asses, there is not one single scene from LAND to make it an epic, or to blow it out of proportion the way the media and yourselves are doing, LETS BE OBJECTIVE PLEOPLE, there is nothing memorable OR special obout this film.

The truth is that ROMEROS' original three movies ROCKED AND STILL ROCK high obove any other zombie flick out there (my respects to Mr. Fulgi however).

The Truth is that this movie is not faithfull to the creators own vision, it was ROMERO who taught us what we know about zombies, and it was ROMERO who made us passionate obout them, HE gave us the MAGIC about zombies, and this last atempt is a let down.

The truth is you have the right to like the movie and I have a right to DISLIKE IT.

The truth is ROMERO tried to make a shoot em up action zombie that does not work.

The truth is I WANTED to like this movie so bad IT HURT, i even had a 60 day countdown at work to opening day.

The truth is that the truth hurts. This movie is better than lots of others, but its still a so so zombie flick.

[Grimmley]

Oh! I guess I should have summed up:

Did I like it? Hell yeah. I will buy the DVD and will mostly likely see it again in the theater. Does it stand with the trilogy? Yes, well, sort of. There was alot of potential with some uneccesary glitter and tricks. Interesting new developments which may exist only in my scattered postgraduate brain, and the zombies themselves were a one-up at the very least. Were there screw-ups? Every movie has them, and I had astronomical hopes. But the Hollywood cheese 'n' turkey sandwich looks like a friggin' aid relief banquet against the background of a Dead series film. That last bit is my main and only near fatal complaint. Remember, RE. RE: Apocalypse, and HotD were MEANT to be implausable, mass-marketed videogame movies that just happened to have Romero-ripoff zombies and weird Tai Chee-trained zombie-like things. They're were neither serious at heart nor nominally zombie flicks. Land was supposed to be the opposite.

Lastly, does it beat out Dawn? Maybe if the studio hadn't meddled and the script had been more developed without hokey over-doings-it. But as stands, no way. Dawn was nearly flawless for me adjusting for its time and Land seems like a first draft with studio suits demanding more backflips, babes, and lazer cannons. Not that bad, but you get me.

Still nice to finally have the thing, and I am looking forward to the unrated DVD release for sure. But I passionately hope the worst of Land's knee-slappers and brain-bashing diversions from the original series will be ommitted from the potential follow-up.

[Grimmley]

It may be HIS UNIVERSE, and they may be HIS movies, but WE ARE THE ONES buying the tickets, without wich there would BE NO ROMERO UNIVERSE OR MOVIES, and speaking my opinion doesnt make me a fool, yet your responses do make you do make you sound like blind and ignorant kiss asses, there is not one single scene from LAND to make it an epic, or to blow it out of proportion the way the media and yourselves are doing, LETS BE OBJECTIVE PLEOPLE, there is nothing memorable OR special obout this film.

The truth is that ROMEROS' original three movies ROCKED AND STILL ROCK high obove any other zombie flick out there (my respects to Mr. Fulgi however).

The Truth is that this movie is not faithfull to the creators own vision, it was ROMERO who taught us what we know about zombies, and it was ROMERO who made us passionate obout them, HE gave us the MAGIC about zombies, and this last atempt is a let down.

The truth is you have the right to like the movie and I have a right to DISLIKE IT.

The truth is ROMERO tried to make a shoot em up action zombie that does not work.

The truth is I WANTED to like this movie so bad IT HURT, i even had a 60 day countdown at work to opening day.

The truth is that the truth hurts. This movie is better than lots of others, but its still a so so zombie flick.

This is my opinion in a slightly less barbed mood. I DO like the movie, but it falls quite a bit behind any of the past three. I like this kinda how I like Snyder's Dawn; but this isn't Snyder's Dawn, it's Romero's anciently anticipated Land, and that's the cause for alarm. All I really want here is for Romero to look at his e-mail/letters and see more criticism than fanboyishness and take it constructively and then go and make a movie that does justice to the originals.

Still, we all have a high standard for our favorite director, so let's not let that lead us to crucify him. It's not like he made the zombie equivalent to Friday the 13th part 10. Odds are there were forces beyond his control; the big bugget/Big Hollywood environment isn't the best place to go for horror. They were bound to make it overly cute/corny/Rambo-explosionfest because, hey, that's largely what they do there. You want great pizza? You don't go to Le Chef de Paris, or the corner Domino's even. Find a place that's serious about what it's doing, big bucks being only one piece of the motives pie.

It is possible he tried to emmulate Snyder's pace. If so, that is sad. I actually loved Dawn '04 and hope for, yes it SOUNDS bad, a sequel to the remake. But Romero isn't the youngblood with the zombie-shoot-out ideal. He is, or his past work has been, more tuned to far better character work, dialogue, atmosphere, and conceptualism. Hey, at least Land's zombies didn't have track runner number's on their shirts.

Like I said, maybe if GAR gets enough fan-based criticism, INSTEAD of fanboy drooling, the next one will rock to the standard. Doesn't mean we can't like the film. I do. But excessive knee jerk fawning could mean the next one won't just have some obvious flaws, but be blandly and blatantly crappy.(Doubt it, since a big studio likely won't touch the Dead series again. A VERY good thing in my opinion. I don't know for sure, but I do hold the film's backing associations responsible for 95% of its flaws and the most glaring of them for sure.)

So get to those e-mails. And it's still OK to ask for an autograph. :)

[Bad Zombie Night]

Hey, at least Land's zombies didn't have track runner number's on their shirts.

LOL! No, but instead of having track runner number's on their shirts, the Land Zombies wore Coke bottle eye glasses, and they had pencil holders in their shirt pockets. :lol:

[Grimmley]

LOL! No, but instead of having track runner number's on their shirts, the Land Zombies wore Coke bottle eye glasses, and they had pencil holders in their shirt pockets. :lol:

Oh ho ho ho. But you missed my typo-grammar error which proves I'm not a nerd but in fact a dumbass. Plus I'm from AL and therefore a toothless hick. So look who comes out shining here. :mrgreen:

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Two things real quick.
1) ZAGG, I dont get the feeling that many people here are going to download it. Of course perhaps I have read the audience wrong, but I think most individuals here have seen the film already in the theaters. That is not to say that it allows them the right to download it, but I do not think people will be inclined to.
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I'm talking about the people in places where it hasn't been released yet. I don't buy the old "I'll see it now and then pay to see it later" crap. They'll download it now, and then not bother later. Those people suck.
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2) Skellington and Turtle: Discussing things with in the film is cool, however I think that there are certain limits to which the realm of politics will be allowed on the forums. For example Turtles comment in regards to his aunt and blanket comment on right winged polticians and Skellingtons somewhat umbrella comments on pro choice liberals and the Clinton adminstration. Both seem kinda out of bounds of the film.
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Just a reminder: NO POLITICAL TALK HERE. Political Romero movie or not, don't do it. I shouldn't have to come in here every five minutes to clean up flaming messes you've made, although you know the rules, but can't seem to follow them.

[Grimmley]

A question. Is everyone else here seeing the SEVERELY overedited theatrical release or this some local thing? I know the theaters here give kids under 17 alot of shit, which was not the case in Atlanta or Mobile, so maybe they also only accept butchered movies? I'm confused seeing as High Tension seemed to get by just fine, but not Land. Oh well, DVD releases are quick these days.

[SGT. DEATH]

Well Im one of those people who havent seen it yet,I dont intend to down load it for 2 reasons 1)quality 2)I dont have broard band.I will just have to entertain my self with other movies and games.On the bright side we in europe still have this to look foreward to and I for one wont ruin the experience with poor quality on a small screen.I will go for the best experience possible with largest screen available and the best hot dogs going.
Then after the movie Ill go to the pub and discuss the movie with friends. :drinking:

[jackskellington]

can't argue with you there, although unfortunately, he's still in office

I wasn't aware that Bush lived in Canada during the Vietnam era. What's your source?

[jackskellington]

Well Im one of those people who havent seen it yet,I dont intend to down load it for 2 reasons 1)quality 2)I dont have broard band.I will just have to entertain my self with other movies and games.On the bright side we in europe still have this to look foreward to and I for one wont ruin the experience with poor quality on a small screen.I will go for the best experience possible with largest screen available and the best hot dogs going.
Then after the movie Ill go to the pub and discuss the movie with friends. :drinking:

That's the best thing to do. That way you can have a great night out to look forward to. Granted, I didn't like Land even half as much as I wanted to, but bad or good, it was still a fun night out.

[Moonbutterfly7]

NEWSFLASH! Batman Begins takes top spot at the box office for its second straight weekend with a reported $26.8 million, beating out new releases Bewitched, Herbie: Fully Loaded, and Land of the Dead repsectively, and bringing its total earnings to $121.7 million in the U.S. and $205.1 million worldwide.

http://www.comixfan.com/xfan/forums/showthread.php?t=34389

It looks like its doing alright, although I don't know what is Land making seperately.

I hope to god that's not really the listing of what made the most. I think I'll cry if Bewitched and Herbie made more money than Land. I can't believe people would actually pay money to see that crap. Oh well that's just my opinion.

[MonsterHunter]

Just found this at the Gorezone!

** Where were you?!: George A. Romero's fourth zombie opus, LAND OF THE DEAD opened with a very low $10.2 millions in fifth place at the box office. Considering that ealier this year movies like WHITE NOISE, THE GRUDGE and BOOGEYMAN made between $40 and $50 millions in their first weekend, this is disastrous! This was supposed to be the movie that most horror fans were waiting for...

:-(

[jackskellington]

I think the true Romero fans have gone to see it but let's face it, the mainstream public is not gonna go see a movie that has bad word of mouth and unfortunately that seems to be exactly whats happened.

[Moonbutterfly7]

I think the true Romero fans have gone to see it but let's face it, the mainstream public is not gonna go see a movie that has bad word of mouth and unfortunately that seems to be exactly whats happened.


But I don't get it it has gotten some really good reviews by people. Is it "too deep" for some people? Hah a deep zombie movie is there such a thing as that? I know it won't appel to general public, but they like WHITE NOISE, THE GRUDGE and BOOGEYMAN? What the hell do they just like "simple" horror? To tell you the truth I was very dissapointed by The Grudge. I mean it has some entertaining parts, but overall I found it very weak with no story development. I haven't seen the other movies, but I've heard they weren't very good. I'm still going to check them out though.

I think what hurt this movie the most would be lack of advertising. I expected it to be at least second or third not fifth . I hope the dvd sales will be better. They should of stuck with releasing this movie in October.

Sorrry Monsterhunter I must of missed it. Damn this thread goes so fast it is hard to keep up sometimes!

[Dagnammit]

[QUOTE=Moonbutterfly7][url]
I think I'll cry if Bewitched and Herbie made more money than Land.QUOTE]

Grab a Kleenex; this is last weekend's top movies at the box office:

1. Batman Begins $27,589,389
2. Bewitched $20,131,130
3. Mr. and Mrs. Smith $16,825,209
4. Herbie: Fully Loaded $12,709,221
5. LAND OF THE DEAD $10,221,705
6. Madagascar $7,434,917
7. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $6,113,071
8. The Longest Yard $5,527,359
9. The Adventures of Shark Boy and Lava Girl (3D) $3,496,044
10. Cinderella Man $3,446,235

There's a lot of people freaking out because Land of the Dead only just scraped into the Top Five, but look at it in perspective - it was released the same week as a kids movie (entire families going together = bigger profits) and a couples movie (a lot of the male demographic probably wanted to see Land of the Dead but were dragged to Bewitched by their womenfolk); Batman is still sucking away a lot of casual cinemagoers who might otherwise have gone to see Land; it received little advertising compared to the other movies in the chart; it's rated R which rules out a large portion of the potential audience... and it still managed to made back about two thirds of its budget on its first weekend!! Not only that; excellent press reviews and word of mouth are likely to keep it in the charts for another couple of weeks at least. By this time next week the movie will have almost certainly turned a sizeable profit, and in Universal's eyes that makes the film a success... and that could mean a sequel!

[jackskellington]

Here's a link...Probably the same info as above...

http://www.comingsoon.net/boxoffice/2005/jun24.php

[Moonbutterfly7]

[QUOTE=Moonbutterfly7][url]
I think I'll cry if Bewitched and Herbie made more money than Land.QUOTE]

Grab a Kleenex; this is last weekend's top movies at the box office:

1. Batman Begins $27,589,389
2. Bewitched $20,131,130
3. Mr. and Mrs. Smith $16,825,209
4. Herbie: Fully Loaded $12,709,221
5. LAND OF THE DEAD $10,221,705
6. Madagascar $7,434,917
7. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith $6,113,071
8. The Longest Yard $5,527,359
9. The Adventures of Shark Boy and Lava Girl (3D) $3,496,044
10. Cinderella Man $3,446,235

There's a lot of people freaking out because Land of the Dead only just scraped into the Top Five, but look at it in perspective - it was released the same week as a kids movie (entire families going together = bigger profits) and a couples movie (a lot of the male demographic probably wanted to see Land of the Dead but were dragged to Bewitched by their womenfolk); Batman is still sucking away a lot of casual cinemagoers who might otherwise have gone to see Land; it received little advertising compared to the other movies in the chart' it's rated R which rules out a large portion of the potential audience... and it still managed to made back about two thirds of its budget on its first weekend!! Not only that; excellent press reviews and word of mouth are likely to keep it in the charts for another couple of weeks at least. By this time next week the movie will have almost certainly turned a sizeable profit, and in Universal's eyes that makes the film a success.


Wtf Bewithed make second? Bah oh well I hope Land will do even better as time goes on. I figure Batman Begins take a lot of that in that was to be expected. But I totally didn't think that lame remake movies would of won. I mean I had a feeling it would kind of, but I had hope that the general public wouldn't give in to crap. Hah I was wrong. You're right I should get worried. I swear what the hell is wrong with some women out there? God I'm like the only girl I know who doesn't really care for the whole romantic comedy? Well I don't mind some, but its not something I see on a date. Hahah I remember one of my first dates in highschool thought it was so weird I wanted to see "In Dreams" instead of something more "nice" or whatever.

[preacher]

bewitched stars the biggest comedy star at the moment in Will ferrel, its got NIcole Kidman and the history of the tv show.

herbies the movie all the kids are going to see. so its no wonder that these two hve beaten Land

they should have released LOTD at halloween

summers a bit odd for literate satircal horror movies, when people are faced with the huge big budget action fests starring angelina jolie or the new batman film

itll easily clean up on dvd and theyll probably greelight the sequel on the basis of that.

but if the next zombie movie has a similar 10 mill opening box office it may well kill off the genre

[jackskellington]

But I don't get it it has gotten some really good reviews by people. Is it "too deep" for some people? Hah a deep zombie movie is there such a thing as that? I know it won't appel to general public, but they like WHITE NOISE, THE GRUDGE and BOOGEYMAN? What the hell do they just like "simple" horror? To tell you the truth I was very dissapointed by The Grudge. I mean it has some entertaining parts, but overall I found it very weak with no story development. I haven't seen the other movies, but I've heard they weren't very good. I'm still going to check them out though.

I think what hurt this movie the most would be lack of advertising. I expected it to be at least second or third not fifth . I hope the dvd sales will be better. They should of stuck with releasing this movie in October.

Boogeyman sucked ass, White Noise was a very interesting story but I thought The Grudge kicked ass. Kind of a simple, sudden ending but the overall movie was excellent. My point is that White Noise and The Grudge were a bit more complex stories than Boogeyman or LotD. I wish I didn't feel that way but I can't help it...Land was such a retardedly simple story that it just failed to deliver what people were expecting from a script that took two decades to write. (I'm aware that it didn't actually take that long, but that's what the mainstream public is thinking.) As for the October release, yes it probably would have done better then but they chose to back The Rock in Doom, (The Rock is a bigger name these days than anyone in Land), which they will follow up 2 months later with King Kong which are both guaranteed money makers.

[Dagnammit]

God I'm like the only girl I know who doesn't really care for the whole romantic comedy.

Not the only one. Thankfully, my girlfriend doesn't like romantic comedies, Friends-style sitcoms or sappy chick flicks. Which is good, because that's like a prerequisite for me. :lol:

Don't worry about Land of the Dead's chart position. When it's all counted up, I think Land will have made upwards of fifty mil by the end of its cinema run; possibly a lot more. Then there are DVD sales, and looking back at the trends, this kind of film tends to make even more money on video than at the box office.

To date, Romero's most profitable film is Creepshow, which was made for $8,000,000, made $20,000,000 on its first theatrical run, and is considered a modest mainstream hit. Successful enough for a sequel, in fact. Land looks set to seriously smash that.

[zombiekilling101]

dennis hopper plays a very bush-like character (except awesome) and land of the dead digs deep at our (american) current social/political standing. that may bring real world politics into this forum only because for many of us, it is a painful burning issue that effects us deeply. so i guess i'll leave my poltical opinions out of the forum...even though bush is a lying, murderering, incompetant, son of a bitch... but that's besides the point. i'm probably going to get extra frisked at the airport now :)

and i can totally see george w snorting coke and shooting his henchmen.

[/QUOTE]


WHAT THE **** IS THIS SHIT! HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DO THREADS HAVE TO BE LOCKED, PEOPLE HAVE TO BE PISSED OFF, UNTIL SOMEONE SAYS THIS SHIT, ARE YOU ****ING RETARDED MAN! FOR ****S SAKES STOP BEING A FLIPPING TARD AND HAVE SOME SENSE!

WHERE WERE THE MODERATORS FOR THIS COMMENT

[jackskellington]

Sorry about all that ZK!! That was stemming from a comment that Bastard Turtle made which I served up a rebuttal for and then we both moved on with our lives. That is, until Tarman felt that he needed to get involved for some unknown reason and try to stir it up again.

[zombiekilling101]

Sorry about all that ZK!! That was stemming from a comment that Bastard Turtle made which I served up a rebuttal for and then we both moved on with our lives. That is, until Tarman felt that he needed to get involved for some unknown reason and try to stir it up again.

yeah thats cool i understand that, but than zagg did the comment on no politics than this dickhead says this...

[jackskellington]

Yeah. Quinn called me and BT on it and then ZAGG did as well so I felt that was the end of it. Guess I was wrong, huh?

[jackskellington]

Anyway....Back to the movie!!! Does anyone have any idea how long it will be before Universal announces whether or not they're gonna back a sequel? I suppose they'll have to wait until DVD sales and all that are taken into account but the anticipation is killing me!

[zombiekilling101]

Anyway....Back to the movie!!! Does anyone have any idea how long it will be before Universal announces whether or not they're gonna back a sequel? I suppose they'll have to wait until DVD sales and all that are taken into account but the anticipation is killing me!

yeah wel, i hope they call him on it or that will be dumb!
anway

if all the regular posters on this site go see it 2 more times, thats about 20 bucks for 2 tickets times like 50 regular posters.. =1,000 more bucks towards the studio wanting a sequel

[preacher]

theyve changed the trailer to incorporate critics quotes at the start

can be seen at the official site

[Quinn]

My favorite parts of land was not the gore per se bu tended to be the interaction between Asia Argento and Simon Baker, they kinda had a cool chemistry. One of the best examples was when one of the characters is on the hood of a vehicle. Also for my money there seemed to be about three ways you could take it, however since most involve a poltical nature I will leave it off my post (if you would like to know just PM me I guess.)
Have a good day
Quinn

[BiscuitsNGravy]

Why do people feel a need to justify LOTD's standing at the box office. I see people on this site blaming lack of advertising, the executives, the public, etc. What's the point? If you liked it, don't worry about anyone else. People seem to be looking for some type of vindication for liking zombie movies. Let's be a little more objective here. The advertising was enough for a movie this budget. You can't expect a small movie to get the same budget as a blockbuster. That's ridiculous. That's like taking the wheels off a Ford Mustang and putting them on a Toyoto Tercel. I saw significant targeted advertising. These are the reasons this movie made what it did:

1. Competition: This movie is sandwiched between two blockbusters (WotW & Batman Begins. So it had to compete with Batman's second week and it will have to take on WotW's first week. It also came out against a female targeted or "date movie" in Bewitched as well as a kiddie or family movie in Herbie. This movie should have been released in August or in Autumn. This was terrible placing.

2. R-Rating: We gore lovers got what we wanted, but the R-rating kills a horror movie. If a vendor is vigilant, they'll keep the kids out of it or at least from paying for it. I bet a bunch of kids bought tickets for Herbie and creeped into Land. I did stuff like that when I was a kid. R-Rated movies never bring in that much because it limits your viewing audience. G and PG movies tend to bring in money even if they are subpar because it forces parents to bring the little kids to the movies even if the parents don't want to see it. That's at least 2 tickets from the jump. If I am correct, the Grudge was a PG-13 movie as well as most of the other movies so-called successful scary movies. It makes a difference.

3. The genre: Horror films have a certain stigma to them from the jump. Zombie/Gore films belong to even more of a subculture of films. The general public just doesn't grasp it at the theaters too often. But watch this movie doe extremely well in DVD sales and rentals. This phenomenon dates back to the days of seedy video stores when this material was found in big clunky boxes. People love watching this stuff in their living rooms. Movies like 28 Days and the Dawn remake did well due to smart, not excessive, marketing; good word of mouth and a strong cast.

4. Bootlegging: Hell, a guy at my job was selling copies of Land yesterday. Many people will just watch this at their home instead of paying the $6.50 to $8.50 it costs to see it in theaters in Atlanta.

5. Slumping Industry: The movie industry has been in a year long slump. It effects every movie across the board. I guarantee you that the studios wanted bigger numbers from Batman and Bewitched. Remember that movies like Shrek, LOTR, Spiderman have changed the bar. Event movies really need to clear $300 to be a major success that a studio can hang it's hat on. Just doing $200 is not good enough. Especially when you consider that many of these "blockbusters" are costing $150 mil to make. The only movie to cross the 200 mil mark this year is Star Wars ROTS ($358 mil). That's unacceptable. At least the studios didn't risk as much with Romero's movie and will likely see a return.

I think that people shouldn't and panic or look for validation. Just be happy if you liked the movie.

[zombiekilling101]

My favorite parts of land was not the gore per se bu tended to be the interaction between Asia Argento and Simon Baker, they kinda had a cool chemistry. One of the best examples was when one of the characters is on the hood of a vehicle. Also for my money there seemed to be about three ways you could take it, however since most involve a poltical nature I will leave it off my post (if you would like to know just PM me I guess.)
Have a good day
Quinn

oh yeah, i love the chemistry between the two, Riley half smiling at her all the time, with her doing the same, you know there going to get together.. great stuff romero!

[zombiekilling101]

Why do people feel a need to justify LOTD's standing at the box office. I see people on this site blaming lack of advertising, the executives, the public, etc. What's the point? If you liked it, don't worry about anyone else. People seem to be looking for some type of vindication for liking zombie movies.


I think that people shouldn't and panic or look for validation. Just be happy if you liked the movie.

Were "worrying" about the money becasue we are hoping its going to make enough to warrant a sequal to a genre of films "romeros dead" that we love so much, it wouldnt matter if it made just money from atz fans, if we liked it than we liked.



no worries here, except if Romero is going to get another shot to do another zombie flick

[BiscuitsNGravy]

Were "worrying" about the money becasue we are hoping its going to make enough to warrant a sequal to a genre of films "romeros dead" that we love so much, it wouldnt matter if it made just money from atz fans, if we liked it than we liked.



no worries here, except if Romero is going to get another shot to do another zombie flick

Well all good things must come to an end. What do you want to see, "Universe of the Dead", the ninth installment of the Dead series? Sometimes fans have to let it go and be happy with the memories and the DVD collections. Go out and write your own zombie movie or support an up and coming film maker. GAR may need to move on to other things. Nothing wrong with that, it's called life. I would like to see GAR become an executive producer and start helping younger film makers push the genre forward into new grounds. There really needs to be a renaissance within Hollywood filmmaking. There is way to much rehasing and remaking going on across the board.

[zombiekilling101]

Well all good things must come to an end. What do you want to see, "Universe of the Dead", the ninth installment of the Dead series? Sometimes fans have to let it go and be happy with the memories and the DVD collections. Go out and write your own zombie movie or support an up and coming film maker. GAR may need to move on to other things. Nothing wrong with that, it's called life. I would like to see GAR become an executive producer and start helping younger film makers push the genre forward into new grounds. We really needs to be a renaissance within Hollywood filmmaking. There is way to much rehasing and remaking going on across the board.

all good things must come to an end? it took Romero 20 years to get another zombie movie out there, this is most likely to be his biggest grossing movie, why stop now when its just begun for him?

as a fan wouldnt you want to see more of your director/movies being made by the mad that does them the best?

btw, go to the indie section and check out some of my stuff

[preacher]

Go out and write your own zombie movie or support an up and coming film maker. GAR may need to move on to other things. Nothing wrong with that, it's called life. I would like to see GAR become an executive producer and start helping younger film makers push the genre forward into new grounds.

its not just about him getting to do a sequel

if Land of the dead fails commercially then no producer in their right mind is going to finance another zombie movie from anyone let alone an unknown writer

The better it does the more likely there will be more zombie movies from other film makers and the greater the chance that one of us could write a zombie film and get it made

also if his LOTD fails then no studio in their right mind is gonig to let him exec produce anything

if this one flops there may not be any zombie movies in a while

hence our interest in how well its doing at the box office.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

its not just about him getting to do a sequel

if Land of the dead fails commercially then no producer in their right mind is going to finance another zombie movie from anyone let alone an unknown writer

The better it does the more likely there will be more zombie movies from other film makers and the greater the chance that one of us could write a zombie film and get it made

also if his LOTD fails then no studio in their right mind is gonig to let him exec produce anything

if this one flops there may not be any zombie movies in a while

hence our interest in how well its doing at the box office.

But what can you do about it if it fails. Allthough, I don't think that will happen. I gave you the reasons why it's probably pulling those numbers. Only Star Wars is really hit it's mark so far. I think Batman will do okay over the long haul but it's still not where they want it to be. I think 10 mil is fine for a movie that didn't cost a whole lot to make if you look at the average movie. It will recoup the money domestically and overseas. It will then make money on DVD. I would bet a studio would take a risk on a movie that doesn't cost a whole lot up front with chance of a big return than a blockbuster with a lot of up front risk which may not even recoup it's production, not to mention advertising, costs. I don't think zombie movies are dead at all, even if this movie tanks. Future movies may take a hit in advertising and quality of actors and script department if it doesn't make another buck though. I think the movie is off to a good start. I think people should put it in perspective. Go and read my reasons for the 5th place finish in a previous post. Don't panic and breath.

[zombiekilling101]

i read your reasons why it didnt do good, it opened in a tough slot, batman in front, war of the worlds behind, and family flicks in the middle.. not good for a horror movie.

but you asked why we need big theater outcomes for justification to liking a movie, and i told you.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

i read your reasons why it didnt do good, it opened in a tough slot, batman in front, war of the worlds behind, and family flicks in the middle.. not good for a horror movie.

but you asked why we need big theater outcomes for justification to liking a movie, and i told you.

I guess I'm being long winded about saying, it's probably not as bad as you think it is. Movies like this aren't expected to make $100 mil at the domestic box office. They are most likely looking at the percentages anyway. What we really have to hope for is that the movie doesn't drop off dramatically over the 4th holiday. If it can pull in close to what it made in the first week than things will be fine. But a 50% drop would kill it domestically because it would then be pulled from wide release. In fact, everyone who saw it twice already should have waited till this weekend to see it again in order to effect this weeks gross. This movie will need to stay in circulation for at least a month and 1/2 in order to recoup it's cost and turn a profit domestically. Everything else will then be icing.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

NOTE ON THE POLITICS IN THIS THREAD:

Look...I can't be here every second of the day. Neither can JV. In fact, it's bad enough I have to come in here 3 or 4 times during my workday (believe it or not, I have things to do here.) I've said something in this thread and the other Land thread several times. Don't expect me to comment on every single thing. I can't control everyone. So, it's either I let a few go and see if it goes away by itself, which is what I try to do--or! I can just lock the damn thread! Now, which do you prefer?

We can't stop everyone from commenting, regardless of how many times we scream about the rules...but you know what doesn't help matters? It doesn't help when you find a post you don't like a few posts back and then bring it up and yell about it. Let it go. Don't say anything. Try to control yourself, even if they can't. Like I said, our only other option is to lock every thread that brings up politics, period---wouldn't be much talk about Land then, eh?

[jackskellington]

2. R-Rating: We gore lovers got what we wanted, but the R-rating kills a horror movie. If a vendor is vigilant, they'll keep the kids out of it or at least from paying for it. I bet a bunch of kids bought tickets for Herbie and creeped into Land. I did stuff like that when I was a kid. R-Rated movies never bring in that much because it limits your viewing audience. G and PG movies tend to bring in money even if they are subpar because it forces parents to bring the little kids to the movies even if the parents don't want to see it. That's at least 2 tickets from the jump. If I am correct, the Grudge was a PG-13 movie as well as most of the other movies so-called successful scary movies. It makes a difference.

If I'm not mistaken, Dawn 04, 28 Days and Shaun were all rated R and did very well. Shaun had a very limited release here in the states but still managed to make a name for itself.

4. Bootlegging: Hell, a guy at my job was selling copies of Land yesterday. Many people will just watch this at their home instead of paying the $6.50 to $8.50 it costs to see it in theaters in Atlanta.

I really hope you placed an anonymous tip to the authorities.

5. Slumping Industry: The movie industry has been in a year long slump.

I wasn't aware of any slump but I really don't keep track of those type things. However, zombie movies are at the height of their popularity and a Romero flick should have been the icing on the cake.

[jackskellington]

Well all good things must come to an end.

Yes that's true, but please don't let it end on THIS movie.

What do you want to see, "Universe of the Dead", the ninth installment of the Dead series?

YES!!!

...or support an up and coming film maker.

I think everyone here is supportive of up and coming film makers but expect better things out of the ones who have already established themselves...EXPECIALLY from the grandfather of zombie movies.

GAR may need to move on to other things.

He has done alot of other things, and to be honest they sucked. (Except Creepshow 1 & 2!)

There is way to much rehasing and remaking going on across the board.

If LotD is what happens when the pro's do something new then please, by all means bring on more remakes. I'd much rather see a re-imagining of a great movie than a fresh idea that bores me. Romero's 'Bruiser' is currently being remade. Let's hope they can help that movie.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I think I'll cry if Bewitched and Herbie made more money than Land.

That's pathetic when you really think about it :-( ... We are not talking about Shrek or Spiderman here either... At least Dawn 2004 had its moment in the sun, when it knocked off The Passion of the Christ, and took over the #1 spot after the first weekend... It was only for one week, but it least it made a statement about Zombie films. :mrgreen:

[Coldshot]

is it just me or where there things from land that look like they ar references to of mice and men. to me there where many similarities in some things. did anyone else notice this?

[jackskellington]

is it just me or where there things from land that look like they ar references to of mice and men. to me there where many similarities in some things. did anyone else notice this?

******SPOILER ALERT******

Yeah, but in Mice and Men it was essential to the story while, with Land, it was a simple Hollywood plot of, "Let's throw a slow handicapped guy in there to show what an awesome compassionate guy our hero is. He loves the handicapped, prostitutes, (Asia), and minorities, (Leguizamo was more than willing to kill him along with everyone else, and then in the end Big Daddy had earned his respect enough to let him live as well.)" Then again, I guess at that stage in the game minorities and majorities had gone from your nationality or race to either living or dead!!

[Bad Zombie Night]

if this one flops there may not be any zombie movies in a while

Hmmmm.... I seriously doubt that.. There may be a rippling effect, but it wont bring the biz to a screeching halt... Look at House of the Dead... Did that put a stop to anything? :roll:

[jackskellington]

Hmmmm.... I seriously doubt that.. There may be a rippling effect, but it wont bring the biz to a screeching halt... Look at House of the Dead... Did that put a stop to anything? :roll:

Very good point BZN. Maybe there is hope for more!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Very good point BZN. Maybe there is hope for more!
Yeah, if you look in this forum, and on the ATZ main site at the Upcoming Zombie flicks page, you'll see that there are lots of on going Zombie projects out there... Believe me, the sun doesn't rise and set on George Romero. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/bur2.gif

[corgi37]

Is there any updates on the takings of LOTD? Sunday's total has yet to be included as far as i know.

Could easily be over $15mill by end of this week. Hope so anyway.

I am still amazed at the negative response, but i 1/2 expected it. Seems the "fans" just love to tear down their idols. Well, none of you probably have to worry now. I doubt there will be another installment. And, truth be told, that should make alot of you happy as most of you seem to think GAR dropped the ball on this one. Well, thats cool, Zack Snyder is waiting in the wings!

But, in 5 years ya'll all be lamenting the lack of zombie movies, how GAR cant get a new one made and how LOTD rocked!

Oh, dont worry, i'll know. I've made a list of all of you who bagged it, and i will be checking up on you, dont worry about that!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Is there any updates on the takings of LOTD? Sunday's total has yet to be included as far as i know.

Could easily be over $15mill by end of this week. Hope so anyway.

It did $1,191,970 on Monday, which brings it's grand total to $11,413,675!
The movie cost $15M to make, and it coming up on that figure fast... It might eclipse that figure before the weekend or come really close... Next weekend, I figure, should bring in another $5M at least.

[tarman]

from ign.com:
http://dvd.ign.com/articles/629/629341p1.html

June 27, 2005 - George Romero's Land of the Dead opened this week to a respectable $10 million in box office receipts, so it comes as little surprise that the director is already discussing opportunities not only for the forthcoming DVD, but potential sequels. Describing the inevitable unrated version that will appear on DVD, he confesses that much of the material will be character-building content rather than simply extra gore. "There's a few things," he says. "There is one scene in particular where [John Leguizamo's] Cholo, before he meets [Dennis Hopper's] Kaufman, he goes into a neighboring penthouse and finds a human that hung himself and has to kill him. That was a scene that we felt didn't turn out as effectively as it could have and we didn't think it was necessary so that's really the only major scene from the original script that's gone."


"The DVD version, we are working on it now," he reveals. "I think it's about six minutes longer, but it's all just adding back or putting in some effects that were excised and putting in some little things like little bits of dialogue in existing scenes that we cut out just to tighten the pace. It's mostly that, and that penthouse scene."

this seems very interesting. i would definately be more interested in seeing some more character and build-up scenes than gore. don't get me wrong, i love gore. but gore in just the right places is far more effective than a bloodbath (except in dead-alive :) ) also, keep in mind that even an extra 2 minutes of gore footage can add up to alot of splatter and mayhem.

also, he mentions a possible possible sequel in this article. wooo!

[Bad Zombie Night]

Top Zombie Movies at the box office.

1 Dawn of the Dead Uni. $59,020,957
2 Death Becomes Her Uni.......................... $58,422,650
3 Pet Sematary Par.................................... $57,469,467
4 Resident Evil: Apocalypse SGem................ $51,201,453
5 28 Days Later FoxS.................................. $45,064,915
6 Resident Evil SGem.................................. $40,119,709
7 Creepshow WB........................................ $21,028,755
8 The Serpent and the Rainbow Uni............. $19,595,031
9 Pet Sematary II Par................................. $17,092,453
10 Night of the Comet Atl............................ $14,418,922
11 Return of the Living Dead Orion................ $14,237,880
12 Prince of Darkness Uni............................ $14,182,492
13 Shaun of the Dead Focus.......................... $13,542,874
14 Lifeforce TriS.......................................... $11,603,545
15 Army of Darkness Uni.............................. $11,502,976
16 George A. Romero's Land of the Dead Uni. $11,413,675

[Quinn]

I think they will proably make another Romero film, as a result of overseas sales (which will proably be higher because A) European audiences will proably not go see Herbie the love bug and will dig the poltical angle more than mass American audinces. B) European/Asian film audiences tend not to go as Summer blockbuster crazy as Americans do.) DVD sales, the cost effectiveness of a film that cost 10 mil and earns 25 mil is good business, and finally the critical praise is worth something. I just hope next time Universal will want to place a GAR film like this in the winter or halloween season, because even if the next film is bad (which it will not be because Land was great) it will still make money as a result of its timing.
Have a good day
Quinn

[Anthony]

Here's (http://filmatism.com/index.php?content/view/58/30/) my review of Land of the Dead.

[zombiekilling101]

should make alot of you happy as most of you seem to think GAR dropped the ball on this one. But, in 5 years ya'll all be lamenting the lack of zombie movies, how GAR cant get a new one made and how LOTD rocked!

Oh, dont worry, i'll know. I've made a list of all of you who bagged it, and i will be checking up on you, dont worry about that!

what? I havent seen too many members not liking it, there were some problems as with all Romeros films and every movie ever made of all time, (except Starship troopers:) )


jackskellington- have you seen knightriders, that movie was badass

[preacher]

But what can you do about it if it fails. Allthough, I don't think that will happen. I gave you the reasons why it's probably pulling those numbers. Only Star Wars is really hit it's mark so far. I think Batman will do okay over the long haul but it's still not where they want it to be. I think 10 mil is fine for a movie that didn't cost a whole lot to make if you look at the average movie. It will recoup the money domestically and overseas. It will then make money on DVD. I would bet a studio would take a risk on a movie that doesn't cost a whole lot up front with chance of a big return than a blockbuster with a lot of up front risk which may not even recoup it's production, not to mention advertising, costs. I don't think zombie movies are dead at all, even if this movie tanks. Future movies may take a hit in advertising and quality of actors and script department if it doesn't make another buck though. I think the movie is off to a good start. I think people should put it in perspective. Go and read my reasons for the 5th place finish in a previous post. Don't panic and breath.


dont panic and breath?

ffs dude dont be so fking condescending. if people want to take a keen interest in how well the movies doing then let them.

i know exactly why it didnt do very well and have no need to read your long winded explanation

i also understand your cest la vie attitude to life but dont come onto a zombie movie website and question the members devotion to the bloody genre

[guerrilla]

It may be HIS UNIVERSE, and they may be HIS movies, but WE ARE THE ONES buying the tickets, without wich there would BE NO ROMERO UNIVERSE OR MOVIES, and speaking my opinion doesnt make me a fool, yet your responses do make you do make you sound like blind and ignorant kiss asses, there is not one single scene from LAND to make it an epic, or to blow it out of proportion the way the media and yourselves are doing, LETS BE OBJECTIVE PLEOPLE, there is nothing memorable OR special obout this film.

The truth is that ROMEROS' original three movies ROCKED AND STILL ROCK high obove any other zombie flick out there (my respects to Mr. Fulgi however).

The Truth is that this movie is not faithfull to the creators own vision, it was ROMERO who taught us what we know about zombies, and it was ROMERO who made us passionate obout them, HE gave us the MAGIC about zombies, and this last atempt is a let down.

The truth is you have the right to like the movie and I have a right to DISLIKE IT.

The truth is ROMERO tried to make a shoot em up action zombie that does not work.

The truth is I WANTED to like this movie so bad IT HURT, i even had a 60 day countdown at work to opening day.

The truth is that the truth hurts. This movie is better than lots of others, but its still a so so zombie flick.

in my post i said you have every right to like or dislike his film, but to call him a sellout is ****ing stupid.

[jackskellington]

...in 5 years ya'll all be lamenting the lack of zombie movies, how GAR cant get a new one made and how LOTD rocked!

No doubt there won't be any zombie movies in the theaters in 5 years, but that's only because everything comes and goes in cycles. I personally won't EVER be saying that Land rocked but I won't be saying it sucked ass either. I don't think anyone here HATED the movie, it just wasn't what it was hyped up to be after a 20 year stalemate.

Oh, dont worry, i'll know. I've made a list of all of you who bagged it, and i will be checking up on you, dont worry about that

Really? Wow! You've got alot of time on your hands, huh?!

[jackskellington]

jackskellington- have you seen knightriders, that movie was badass

Yes, I've seen Knightriders. Some great stunt work but not really my cup of tea for a movie so to speak...LOVED Starship Troopers!! Only bad part in that movie, (Aside from the incredibly thick eyebrows on Denise Richards), was that they never killed Casper Van Dien. I HATED his character in that movie!

[zombiekilling101]

Yes, I've seen Knightriders. Some great stunt work but not really my cup of tea for a movie so to speak...LOVED Starship Troopers!! Only bad part in that movie, (Aside from the incredibly thick eyebrows on Denise Richards), was that they never killed Casper Van Dien. I HATED his character in that movie!

what casper was Johnny Rico Damnit! "Kill em all!"

What i dont get is why the people that didnt like the movie, are getting all anal towards those who do like it. I am happy and proud to say that Land is a great zombie movie.... beotches:)

[corgi37]

Zombiekilling - What a great post! I am trying to turn the tide. I am having a go back at the nay-sayers. Its not too bad here, as we are all wondeful people. But on imdb, its a bloody war! So many trolls. So few bullets.

And, yeah, Jack, i do have a lot of time on my hands. Its called "delegation".

lol.

[zombiekilling101]

Zombiekilling - What a great post! I am trying to turn the tide. I am having a go back at the nay-sayers. Its not too bad here, as we are all wondeful people. But on imdb, its a bloody war! So many trolls. So few bullets.

And, yeah, Jack, i do have a lot of time on my hands. Its called "delegation".

lol.

lol, thanks man, as you can see from both sides ive had arguments with a few of these guys, me and biscuitsngravy went at it for like an hour.

Oh shit, Imdb is a lost casue, those people dont like anything though, everyone thinks that there important and there opinions affects the world overthere.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

dont panic and breath?

ffs dude dont be so fking condescending. if people want to take a keen interest in how well the movies doing then let them.

i know exactly why it didnt do very well and have no need to read your long winded explanation

i also understand your cest la vie attitude to life but dont come onto a zombie movie website and question the members devotion to the bloody genre

I'll say whatever the hell I want to say pal. I wasn't being condescending. I was trying suggest that people be objective about this and look at it in the whole perspective. Sorry for trying to throw logic into your panic stricken life. You can post all the crap you want about the movie and I'll do the same. If you don't want to debate the point or consider my point of view then don't. Just ignore it. You didn't have to be nasty about it.

[zombiekilling101]

uh oh, i feel a flame war coming on

[BiscuitsNGravy]

uh oh, i feel a flame war coming on

Not at all. I'm not going to argue with some kid over an opinion. How can I argue anyway? He admited to not even reading my "long winded" post. I'm done with the monetary discussion. I'd rather talk about the movie.

[Bastard Turtle]

Is it bad that I've named my boots "Pilsburies?"

I took the girlfriend to see it yesterday, and she was utterly disgusted. She threw up on the way out, which I thought was kind of funny, just didn't let her know that.

[Quinn]

I dont smell a flame war......I smell a dance off. Who will get Served and who will be doing the serving? My guess Robert Gulliet will be served by Jessica Tandy.
Have a good daz (the z makes it sound street, at least thats the way I feel)
Quinn

[BiscuitsNGravy]

I don't know if this goes in this thread or not, but. I was wondering if anyone would feel safe in the set up that was in LotD. I mean, if this really happened, would you live in the compound? I like there defenses as a temporary measure. They have the river on three sides. They have a narrow straightaway that can be defended. They have electric fenses and their own power station. That's not bad. There is plenty of space.

I would just be worried about zombies eventually finding away across the river like in the end of the movie. You would expect the zombies to eventually make it across the river. In fact, I don't see why everyone seemed so surprised at that. Bodies turn up in lakes and rivers around here often. I would also be concerned about having to do so much scavaging. To keep an operation like that going, you would have to constantly be looking for parts and supplies. It's probably hell trying to keep a power station and water treatment facility running in that type of situation.

I think it's best to lead the simple life. I wouldn't mind using this place as a stop over to resupply, but I'd be like Riley and head for the hills.

[SGT. DEATH]

Well the film may or may not do better in the UK and europe but Im sure Ill still love it and will be kept well occupied reading the love it hate it war on this thread until its release if the thread isnt closed that is. :drinking:
A film that can generate this much passion has to be good.

[preacher]

I dont smell a flame war......I smell a dance off. Who will get Served and who will be doing the serving? My guess Robert Gulliet will be served by Jessica Tandy.
Have a good daz (the z makes it sound street, at least thats the way I feel)
Quinn


as long as David Bowie judges....im in

*dons flares and afro*

:)

[jackskellington]

I don't know if this goes in this thread or not, but. I was wondering if anyone would feel safe in the set up that was in LotD. I mean, if this really happened, would you live in the compound? I like there defenses as a temporary measure. They have the river on three sides. They have a narrow straightaway that can be defended. They have electric fenses and their own power station .

That's mostly what ruined this movie for me. There was no reason to feel that unsettling panicky feeling that Night, Dawn and Day gave me because the city was so well fortified and safe. Maybe GAR was trying to show Kaufman as the real "monster" which I don't have any objection to except that he concentrated on doing that so much that he sacrificed the "horror" in a horror movie and simply turned the whole thing into a personal statement with a weak ass story.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

That's mostly what ruined this movie for me. There was no reason to feel that unsettling panicky feeling that Night, Dawn and Day gave me because the city was so well fortified and safe. Maybe GAR was trying to show Kaufman as the real "monster" which I don't have any objection to except that he concentrated on doing that so much that he sacrificed the "horror" in a horror movie and simply turned the whole thing into a personal statement with a weak ass story.

I get your point. There wasn't the claustrophobic fear that you get from being in the house, mall or bunker in the first three movies. I think he did give us some scary moments though. I jumped a couple of times. One with the pez head guy and when the one zombie came out of the fridge on Chullo. But I get your point. GAR could have done a better showing how much more in danger the poor people were being on the outside than the rich in Fiddler's Green. I think the running time of the movie probably hurt some of that development.

[jackskellington]

Who knows? Maybe the same thing that happened with Day happened here with Land and Romero didn't have, or should I say, wasn't allowed the extra money or time to really show the differences between the upper and lower class and the different dangers each faced. All we really got to go on was a short street scene of abandoned buildings and a street market for the poor and then another short scene of an indoor shopping mall for the rich. They also could have gone into more detail on the people Kaufman had killed, (The trash), and why. If the poor were so downtrodden and disease ridden then I would think that at least once a week one of them would die off or get murdered and then pop back up and start eating the others. I'm sure alot of people here read the script before the movie hit so how about it? Was any of that stuff in there?

[DarthSexy]

in my post i said you have every right to like or dislike his film, but to call him a sellout is ****ing stupid.


First off, respect for respect my friend, second, I believe it may have been waaaaay much better to have given Romero a lower budget to work with, he has the experience to work with those kinds of resources, and sometimes those movies are the greatest, when they can delve deep into the story and the characters, simply beacuse the is no other choice, you either make a quality film with very little cash, or your done, such is the thing that Granddaddy Romero acomplished with the original three.

Yet now he gets budget, he gets bank, a big international studio to boot, and what happens, what do we get?, a masterpiece 20 years in the making?, nop, sorry to say no. LOTD IS a likeable movie yes, its fun yes, it has an interesting premise yes (intelligent zombies is a promising plot), John Leguizamo was very cool in it as he is most things he does, but the movie in its self doesn't work. One thing is to say that one likes it, thats all well and good, but movie was destined for greatnes like its predecesors, it had the right person for the job, but it fails to stand with the THREE.

In my opinion DUDE had the TIME and RESOURCES needed to make the movie HIS FANS (the people responsible for his NAME) were hoping he would make, but instead he goes with the "Summer Action Hollywood Shoot em Up Lots O'Big Bad Guns" flow, and fails in the atempt. To me, in my very own personal opinion,that is Selling Out, and theres nothing ****ing stupid about it.

[jackskellington]

Here's another thought...Were we supposed to feel any sympathy for Cholo when he got screwed over by Kaufman? He was making all the money to move into the Green by taking advantage of the poor just like Kaufman. And then there's Riley who worked for Kaufman and did as he was told. The only reason he went after Cholo was to get Dead Reckoning, not so he could save the city, but so that he could take his selfish ass to Canada leaving the rest of the poor people in the city to perish without a task force going out to get supplies such as food and medicine. The only reason he went back to the city once he had Dead Reckoning was to try to stop the zombies from getting in, but that was all in vain since he didn't give a damn about the people's well being before that.

[tarman]

i can sympathize with riley. would you want to live in a society like that city? packing up and heading north was not such a bad idea at all. maybe to write him in as more of a hero he could have wanted to overthrow kaufman and take the city back for the people, but i think that would have been too easy a path to take as far as plot goes. the irish dude was the revolutionary. riley was something else. how it was written gave me a little taste of the disgust towards modern society that i think romero was portraying.

cholo was like the scarface of land of the dead. he wanted everything that's coming to him...the world, chico..the world... i don't think we were meant to sympathize with cholo. he was just really cool and i wanted to see him kick ass.

In my opinion DUDE had the TIME and RESOURCES needed to make the movie HIS FANS (the people responsible for his NAME) were hoping he would make, but instead he goes with the "Summer Action Hollywood Shoot em Up Lots O'Big Bad Guns" flow, and fails in the atempt. To me, in my very own personal opinion,that is Selling Out, and theres nothing ****ing stupid about it.

don't you think that romero should be allowed to create whatever kind of movie he wants? he should not be bound to stay within the ideals of whatever his fans think is right. if it means losing a few because he sticks to his artistic vision, so be it. he can either "sell out" and be a puppet of the studio, or take the easy route and re-hash his past 40 years of work and re-make every zombie movie he's ever done to please the fans. i'm sure he wants nothing of the two. let the man take his universe wherever he wants it to go. KEEP AN OPEN MIND! :scare:

[zombiekilling101]

The only reason he went after Cholo was to get Dead Reckoning, not so he could save the city, but so that he could take his selfish ass to Canada leaving the rest of the poor people in the city to perish without a task force going out to get supplies such as food and medicine. people's well .

he did give a damn about the people, giving the kid the medicine, saving slack, sticking up for charlie, caring about that kid that blew his head off. He wanted to get dead reckoning back so Cholo wouldnt blow up the city casu eof all the inocent people he would kill, he had no idea that the zombies were going to walk across the water and take out the city.:loon:

[DarthSexy]

don't you think that romero should be allowed to create whatever kind of movie he wants? he should not be bound to stay within the ideals of whatever his fans think is right. if it means losing a few because he sticks to his artistic vision, so be it. he can either "sell out" and be a puppet of the studio, or take the easy route and re-hash his past 40 years of work and re-make every zombie movie he's ever done to please the fans. i'm sure he wants nothing of the two. let the man take his universe wherever he wants it to go. KEEP AN OPEN MIND! :scare:


Yes I do, and I think mind IS open, thats why im not bashing the flick, what I am saying is that its not what HE promised it would be and its not what the media hype and certain individuals are sayin it is, its tipycal summer crap, FUN??? YES, Romero Classic??? NO, and it should be, and YES he can create whatever kinda movie HE wants, if he wants to make Kindergarden Cop 2 by all means please try, BUUUUUT, remember, THIS IS A SEQUEL damn it, its supossed to follow a certain style and rythm, it was suppossed to be much more, tell ya what!!!, IT was suppossed to BE what the Media and some Yes sayers are saying it IS. I think that as true and loyal fans we should have the maturity to admit and recognize when something just doesnt work, even if it hurts. And remember loyalty to Fans is also very very very important. Keep an open mind about THAT.

[zombiekilling101]

Yes I do, and I think mind IS open, thats why im not bashing the flick, what I am saying is that its not what HE promised it would be and its not what the media hype and certain individuals are sayin it is, its tipycal summer crap, FUN??? YES, Romero Classic??? NO, and it should be, and YES he can create whatever kinda movie HE wants, if he wants to make Kindergarden Cop 2 by all means please try, BUUUUUT, remember, THIS IS A SEQUEL damn it, its supossed to follow a certain style and rythm, it was suppossed to be much more, tell ya what!!!, IT was suppossed to BE what the Media and some Yes sayers are saying it IS. I think that as true and loyal fans we should have the maturity to admit and recognize when something just doesnt work, even if it hurts. And remember loyalty to Fans is also very very very important. Keep an open mind about THAT.

what the hel? did romero promise you anything, "this is going to be the best zombie moive you have ever seen Darthsexy" nope he didnt. And yes it is a sequeal and it has followed guidlines, throughout all his zombie moives they have gotten smarter, in this zombie movie, they are smarted than that last one.

and since when do we care about the media, the media likes movies like the house of wax and the tcm remake, i think you need to come to terms that people like this movie, and cut the "im smarter than everyone" attittude.

[Mervin Chip Chipperson]

I don't think I will ever understand how some of you guys seem to get so worked up about this or other movies. I thought LotD was a disappointment in that it was just a mediocre movie and that it wasn't as good as NotLD'68 or DotD'78. But in terms of all zombie movies it's way up there imo, probably in my personal top 10 or 15. As a zombie fan I don't see how anyone wouldn't like it, unless they had a huge issue with the smart zombies. Which shouldn't have been too much of a surprise given Bub in Day.

[tarman]

i don't mean to get worked up :) for some reason, i feel an attack on this movie is an attack upon all that i believe in!

now if anyone badmouths videodrome, i'm gonna have to start rough-housin'!

[Shredmonkey]

Being in the UK I naturally haven't seen Lotd yet. But I have noticed one fairly consistent theme in many reviews. People who went in expecting nothing (like we all did with DOTD04) seem to love it and the fans, who clearly expected nothing more than some kind of divine rapture in a movie theatre, are very mixed.

Expectation is such a killer when it comes to movies :)

[guerrilla]

don't you think that romero should be allowed to create whatever kind of movie he wants? he should not be bound to stay within the ideals of whatever his fans think is right. if it means losing a few because he sticks to his artistic vision, so be it. he can either "sell out" and be a puppet of the studio, or take the easy route and re-hash his past 40 years of work and re-make every zombie movie he's ever done to please the fans. i'm sure he wants nothing of the two. let the man take his universe wherever he wants it to go. KEEP AN OPEN MIND! :scare:

exactly! selling out is sacrificing what you want to create in exchange for money/fame/etc. he did nothing of the sort, he just didn't make the movie some of you were expecting, and your expectations are not GARs fault, they're yours.

[DarthSexy]

what the hel? did romero promise you anything, "this is going to be the best zombie moive you have ever seen Darthsexy" nope he didnt. And yes it is a sequeal and it has followed guidlines, throughout all his zombie moives they have gotten smarter, in this zombie movie, they are smarted than that last one.

and since when do we care about the media, the media likes movies like the house of wax and the tcm remake, i think you need to come to terms that people like this movie, and cut the "im smarter than everyone" attittude.


What are you, 10 or something. I am NOT smarter than everyone here and there is no attitude to CUT, I am however expressing an OPINION about a movie and its director, deal with it.

There is no need to come to terms to the fact that some people like this movie, beacuse there is actually a lot to like, as I said, IT IS a fun movie, it is a likeable movie, plain and simple its fun summer action crap, with zombies in it. But once more, it does NOT stand with the Three, its just that simple.

My point is, and has been throughout this thread, that Romero does not live up to his own standard, not by a long shot, and I think he didnt even try, he once said to The Onion when interviwed about writing Resident Evil __ I don't want to make another zombie film. I'd rather make a good action film involving zombies.__ And I believe LOTD was it, too bad, it could have been so much more.

And thank you ZK for making my point, NO we DONT care what the media says nor should we, because just as they liked House of Wax, they also liked Land of the Dead.

[DarthSexy]

exactly! selling out is sacrificing what you want to create in exchange for money/fame/etc. he did nothing of the sort, he just didn't make the movie some of you were expecting, and your expectations are not GARs fault, they're yours.


Our expectations as serious fans, are based on what the man has done in the past, and what he has failed to do in this instance. I dont think its too much to expect a Good Movie from a Good Movie Maker, which Romero is.

Sometimes selling out is simply not showing any loyalty to your fan base, not taking into account the hopes AND EXPECTATIONS of the fans that made them who they are, if we are dissapointed its because yes we expected much from a film maker we admire a who we know can deliver, and from a sequel to a series of movies that revolutionized the industry, and created a genre.

Maybe YOUR expectations were not high enough, maybe you just like a good Popcorn movie, if so, you got it.

[DarthSexy]

*fan base (sorry)

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Can you guys refrain from the insults and keep this a civil debate, please?

[corgi37]

I refuse to accept the negativity for negativty sake, but yeah, lets keep it together.

Back to box office.

Land could very well die this week end due to negative reaction and War of the worlds. Here in Oz, i cant believe i am grateful a movie has been delayed. We got War of the worlds today. It will be big. But, gets some shitty reviews, mainly on Mr. Cruise. Fantastic 4 opens today too. LAnd opens on Aug 4, and from what i can see, there wont be too much competition.

Having said that, i dont think it will make more than $1mill. Dawn struggled to do that. And, that was rated MA (meaning any pimple riddled teeny boy could see it). LAnd would probably get a R rating, meaning no one under 18. The last big R rated flick here was probably Pulp Fiction.

U.K. i would hazard a guess might pull in $5mill. Who knows what France, Italy & Germany will do. I'm thinking it will be a huge hit over there. With conversion, sheesh, maybe $50mill.

Dont forget, Land's poor showing is a reflection of the cinemas as a whole. Herbie, Bewitched, really, even Batman, just aint as big as people expected. At least 2 of those films will struggle to make a profit. Land will, easily!

Then theres the dvd. Well, ok, none of you guys are gonna get it cause Land was so bad (come on, dont be hypocrites!!), but i will be getting it. I love what i have seen so far. Georgie Boy hasnt let this little black duck down!

But, then, i knew he wouldnt.

I just find it odd most critics loved it, and most "fans" bagged it. As i have said, for the most pathetic reasons sometimes. GAR cant win!

[BiscuitsNGravy]

i don't mean to get worked up :) for some reason, i feel an attack on this movie is an attack upon all that i believe in!

now if anyone badmouths videodrome, i'm gonna have to start rough-housin'!

Wow. I feel sorry for you then. I hope you one day expand your belief system beyond a zombie movie.

Some people are getting offended over critiques of the movie. Some people love this movie, some people don't. There is nothing wrong with that. Some of us like the movie but find some problems with it and want to talk about it. What's wrong with hearing different views. I want to read the differing opinions of the movie. I don't want to here people say "I love/hate this movie" and then don't point out why they loved or hated it. I liked the effects and the premise of this movie. I didn't like the length and felt the character development was lacking. I don't understand why people are taking it personally if someone says the movie has flaws. Being critical doesn't mean you're bashing the movie. Bashing would be calling he movie a warm pile and then not backing it up with examples of why it's a warm pile.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

"Wow. I feel sorry for you then. I hope you one day expand your belief system beyond a zombie movie."

So...what part of "refrain from the insults" was not clear?

Tip to everyone: if you see something you don't like...instead of reacting to it in some witty and biting way that of course shows everyone how clever you are...how about just not saying anything at all. Just don't type it. Talk about the movie. Talk about what you liked, what you didn't like. Disagree if you must. But, for everyone's sake, drop the holier-than-thou-only-my-opinion-and-my-way-of-thinking-counts BS attitiude.

[tarman]

I hope you one day expand your belief system beyond a zombie movie

beyond zombie movies??? they're the only things that give a purpose to my hollow meaningless life! :)

i'm officially retiring from this worn-out thread it's getting to hot in here :clap:

[jackskellington]

don't you think that romero should be allowed to create whatever kind of movie he wants? he should not be bound to stay within the ideals of whatever his fans think is right. if it means losing a few because he sticks to his artistic vision, so be it. he can either "sell out" and be a puppet of the studio, or take the easy route and re-hash his past 40 years of work and re-make every zombie movie he's ever done to please the fans. i'm sure he wants nothing of the two. let the man take his universe wherever he wants it to go. KEEP AN OPEN MIND! :scare:

IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT.

[jackskellington]

he did give a damn about the people, giving the kid the medicine, saving slack, sticking up for charlie, caring about that kid that blew his head off. He wanted to get dead reckoning back so Cholo wouldnt blow up the city casu eof all the inocent people he would kill, he had no idea that the zombies were going to walk across the water and take out the city.:loon:

I agree that he did care about the people but then when he went to get Dead Reckoning supposedly to "save the city", he had an ulterior motive of going to Canada. He didn't just come up with that idea in Kaufman's apartment. It had to have been something he had in the back of his mind for quite some time. Also, in taking Dead Reckoning, he immediately became a thief who was stealing pretty much the only transportation/defense for the entire city, not to mention indirectly destroying the task force. He gave the kid the medicine and stuck up for Charlie as another kodak moment so that everyone in the audience could say, "Oh!! Look at how caring he is!" He cared about the kid getting bitten and then having to blow his head off because that was one of his own men which I can't knock him for, although, that sure helped to separate him and Cholo as 'good guy/bad guy' for the audience. It was not only necessary to establish Cholo as a kind of bad guy, but to show that he and Riley were constantly in a power struggle. As for saving Slack...WHAT MAN WOULDN'T?!!

[Ilovezombies!]

Well, I did like the movie, it wasen't quite what I expected but I still enjoyed it a lot. Whenever it comes out on dvd I'm going to buy it, and I'm telling anyone that asks about it to go see it. But honestly, as much as i hate to say it, it isn't as good as his past dead movies, but that's just my opinion. I am very happy he made it though, I didn't think I'd ever see a Romero zombie on the big screen ever again and quite honestly I am very much hoping he'll make another! I suppose I'm done now :drinking: :)

[zombiekilling101]

[QUOTE=jackskellington]I agree that he did care about the people but then when he went to get Dead Reckoning supposedly to "save the city", he had an ulterior motive of going to Canada. He didn't just come up with that idea in Kaufman's apartment. QUOTE]

yeah get to canada and i quote "see if we can help the people"

[goesaround]

I saw in Canada and it was packed on Wednesday night! The crowd cheered when Canada was mentioned. What I liked was after the movie alot of the 18 year old French Canadians were engaging other movie goers in a lively discussion of the meaning. It was very well received. Romero is beloved in France and Quebec. As an American it was interesting to see this. It was also a huge screen much bigger then the 1-12 duplex where I saw it the first time in Kingston N.Y. The big screen helped it alot. I liked it alot more the 2nd time but I am even more convinced that Romero is no longer excited by the Zombies as a horror movie. I mean gosh I really believe given his others he would have rather done Diamond Dead!! Add to that no Tom Savini for synergistic enthusiasm. The Spiritual fear was missing. The zombies here were just a vechicle to get his point across and that is why I was so profoundly sad when I wrote a few days before. Now I enjoyed it for what I DID like. I love the scene when 'big daddy' looks through the hole and sees the target zombies swinging on ropes. The zombies in the liquor store, the zombies around the dead reckoning Awesome! Did anyone get the 9/11 airliner on the ground actually near where it really DiD go down!! You know the sequel (hope..hope)has all the elements to be great...A small cast of characters travelling in a world of the dead and no safe haven...

[zombiekilling101]

[QUOTE=goesaround] Did anyone get the 9/11 airliner on the ground actually near where it really DiD go down!! QUOTE]

what really? what part was this and how do you know it was a refrence to it?

[preacher]

"Wow. I feel sorry for you then. I hope you one day expand your belief system beyond a zombie movie."

So...what part of "refrain from the insults" was not clear?

Tip to everyone: if you see something you don't like...instead of reacting to it in some witty and biting way that of course shows everyone how clever you are...how about just not saying anything at all. Just don't type it. Talk about the movie. Talk about what you liked, what you didn't like. Disagree if you must. But, for everyone's sake, drop the holier-than-thou-only-my-opinion-and-my-way-of-thinking-counts BS attitiude.

that was my point when i called the guy out on his condescending attitude (post 1847.) obviously it wasnt said as tactfully and i may have used a few cuss words...ok a lot of cuss words

weve spent over a hundred pages of messages with a great community spirit with everyone united in their anticipation of this movie. Then when the bloody thing comes out everyones at each others throats.

[DarthSexy]

that was my point when i called the guy out on his condescending attitude (post 1847.) obviously it wasnt said as tactfully and i may have used a few cuss words...ok a lot of cuss words

weve spent over a hundred pages of messages with a great community spirit with everyone united in their anticipation of this movie. Then when the bloody thing comes out everyones at each others throats.


Hey dude, in the last 2 days alone i've been called a fool, stupid, and my coments have been refered to as full of s**t, and fu***n stupid, all because I didn't like the movie, go figure, just try to be objective and forget the trash talkin.

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

Did anyone get the 9/11 airliner on the ground actually near where it really DiD go down!!

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this. I saw the burnt out plane...it wasn't anywhere near where any of the 9-11 planes went down.. Fiddler's Green is obviously Pittsburgh. The town they're in at the beginning is Uniontown, which is actually where I grew up (neat, eh?) It's about 45-50 minutes southwest of Pittsburgh. There was one plane that went down in Pa, but that was in a field near Greensburg, which is more southeast of the 'Burgh. The fucilage in the movie may have been a 9-11 referrence, but it wasn't that specific.

weve spent over a hundred pages of messages with a great community spirit with everyone united in their anticipation of this movie. Then when the bloody thing comes out everyones at each others throats.

I'm very serious when I say that coming here lately has left me with a totally confused feeling (not to mention annoyed). I cannot understand why this group gets like this sometimes. Specially when it's this big zombie movie moment in history...so some like it, some don't. I mean, I love zombie movies, and I'll pat myself on the back by saying I know more about Romero and his movies than most people I know...but...they're movies. Differences of opinions about Land of the Dead are not worth belittling your own self by belittling others. Know what I mean?

[Brody]

I'm very serious when I say that coming here lately has left me with a totally confused feeling (not to mention annoyed). I cannot understand why this group gets like this sometimes. Specially when it's this big zombie movie moment in history...so some like it, some don't. I mean, I love zombie movies, and I'll pat myself on the back by saying I know more about Romero and his movies than most people I know...but...they're movies. Differences of opinions about Land of the Dead are not worth belittling your own self by belittling others. Know what I mean?[/color][/size][/font]

Unfortunately it's the 12 and 13 year olds I would think. Wait; scratch that. It's the 12 and 13 year olds who act like they're 12 and 13. I agree with you; it's a just a movie. Some people dig it, some do not and some think it simply okay and that's okay by me.

Less we all remember this.

[Ark]

What the hell does 9/11 have to do with Land of the Dead?

Dead Reckoning rules.

[zombiekilling101]

What the hell does 9/11 have to do with Land of the Dead?

Dead Reckoning rules.

well the movie does mirror our post 9/11 american era ark.

whats this about 12 and 13 year olds? theres only like 3 of them on this board, and none of them have been being dumb. everyones fighting and its cool, we havnt been this talkative about one thing since dawn 04, i mean i have like 80something posts alone in this thread

[VXTip556]

I agree with Ark, Dead Reckoning was amazing. I think i'll build it right now, then go watch Land of the Dead again because it was amazing too. My only regret is Bigdaddy not getting blown back to Hell at the end...

[zombiekilling101]

I agree with Ark, Dead Reckoning was amazing. I think i'll build it right now, then go watch Land of the Dead again because it was amazing too. My only regret is Bigdaddy not getting blown back to Hell at the end...

yes even thought we were supposed to sympatise (speeling) with him, he is the bad guy adn he did kill everyone.

the only zombie i didnt want shot in the history of zombie moives was bub.

[Brody]

My mistake on the count of 12 and 13 year old's; taking a stab.

I thought the Dead Reckoning was was over-the-top; the Missle Launchers and the GPS kind of ruined it for me. I don;t mind a souped up RV but this was a little too high tech for the world that had been created for my tastes and too clean on the inside at that.


Wasn't that Bub in the Liqour Store? I didnt find any credits for him but I swear there was a cameo?

[Zombie-A-GoGo]

I don't think Big Daddy (I hate that name) is supposed to be the bad guy. The Hopper character obviously is.

[corgi37]

I love the agro. Keeps things interesting. It's not (too) personal and has been lots of fun.

Trouble is, i have few allies. But, thats cool too. Nearly everyone hated the Stones "Exile on Main St" when it came out. Then a few years later, everyone is saying of a new Stones album "It aint as good as Exile".

LAND might take a while to sink in.

Till then - Lets get ready to RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMBBBBBBBBBBBBB LLLLLLEEEE

[Ark]

The Hopper character was great. I took such satisfaction in watching him die.

[corgi37]

Stones = Satisfaction.

And, i just watched Apocalypse Now Redux last night. Never get bored watching that. But, hey, Hopper, man. Like, wow, like, a million miles away from Kaufman.

lol.

[goesaround]

So you saw Apocalypse Now again? I saw it again with a film director buddy and he noticed it too. When 'Big Daddy ' first comes out of the water it is the exact same shot as when Sheen comes out of the water!! Check it out! By the way it mightlook like Bub but it cant be Bub. Bub is in Florida and this movie takes place in Pa. Thats a long shuffle even for a zombie of Bub's caliber

[Brody]

Well I did not mean BUB the Zombie per se; but the actor. I swaer it looks just like Bub. Anyone? No? Wishful thinking?

[Ark]

Bub who? Who are we talking about?

[zombiekilling101]

Bub who? Who are we talking about?

bub from day of the dead:loon:

[Ark]

Oh, you mean the one that learned to shoot a gun and all that? I remember now...

Sci-fi should show that movie again.

[zombiekilling101]

Oh, you mean the one that learned to shoot a gun and all that? I remember now...

Sci-fi should show that movie again.

are you for real man.. you need to buy that movie.. they dont show it in its true form, they take out everything, and even change the actors voices from time to time.. buy it your poor man

[Ark]

Why oh why did i quit my job...

Oh now I remember, the manager was an arse!

[zombiekilling101]

Why oh why did i quit my job...

Oh now I remember, the manager was an arse!

it doesnt matter who you work for, even if there cool at the time.. they will always be a ass. i consider myself a cool manager. .but im a dick when i need to be..

im seriouslly comtemplating giving u some movies

[Ark]

i have dial up, and it's my dad's. BTW, i have a digital copy of NOTLD, don't ask how i got it. But the quality is bad. i'm not advocating piracy or offering it to anyone.

[zombiekilling101]

i have dial up, and it's my dad's. BTW, i have a digital copy of NOTLD, don't ask how i got it. But the quality is bad. i'm not advocating piracy or offering it to anyone.

i have dialup too

[Ark]

terrible, isn't it?

[hatefuldisplay]

Once again, we have a Land of the Dead thread in which Land of the Dead has not been mentioned for several posts.....

[Jason Voorhees]

Let's get back to LOTD please.http://www.allthingszombie.com/images/jvsmily.gif

[zombiekilling101]

ok guys

ark- get out there and watch some movies

so remember how there was a rumor about fran and peter being at fiddlers green? did anyone see them cause i didnt...

[Ilovezombies!]

Who's "fran and peter"??

[Bad Zombie Night]

Ya know.... from Dawn of the Dead (1978)

[eardrumbuz]

Well I did not mean BUB the Zombie per se; but the actor. I swaer it looks just like Bub. Anyone? No? Wishful thinking?

which liquor store zombie? the refrigerator one? i'd have to look at him again, but i didn't think of bub when i saw him. maybe, was it the photo booth zombie played by simon pegg who reminded you of him? i read somewhere that pegg wanted to look like bub. and he did kinda look like a redhead version of bub.

btw, hi everybody. i've been following the posts here and finally decided to stop lurking and join in.

i'm a longtime zombie/romero fan. first one i saw in the theater was dawn. although i've been waiting a long time for land, i didn't go in with grand expectations. i just wanted to enjoy it. on that level i was very satisfied. i think it's great. trying to be objective though, my initial feeling at the end of the movie was one of being a little bit let down. i have a short list of complaints. here goes:

93 mins was way too short. it needed at least 20 mins more. now that i hear the uncut dvd will only be about 6 minutes longer, i'm a bit skeptical about how well it will correct my next issue...which has to do with:

character development. kaufman, charlie, and cholo were handled pretty well (i could always go for a bit more, but they were fairly well developed characters). riley and slack needed more time to develop. there were some good moments between them, but she too quickly dropped off into more of an accessory role than a lead. and even though he revealed a bit about his past, i was still left wanting to see a stronger bond develop between him and slack. which reminds me:

zombie attacks are more intense, scary, horrifying, etc... when you care about the character whose guts are being chomped on. again, better character development would've helped here, but i also think romero chose too many tangential characters as attack victims. this was especially evident to me when the legless zombie finally dropped into dead reckoning. if he had dropped on charlie and charlie had been saved by pillsbury, that would've been way more intense. did anybody care if that other guy got eaten or not?

well, that's it. loved everything else and sure hope we get another one in less than 20 years! oh wait, thinking of a possible sequel made me think of another somewhat annoying thing:

why unload all your ammo when you're about to head out into the unknown? was this just romero's way of saying "no nukes"? we'll do okay with handguns? hmm

[corgi37]

Big Daddy coming out of the water was indeed a nod to Apocalypse Now, when Sheen comes out of the water when he goes to kill kurtz.

There is an interview with Nicotero around here some where mentioning it. They were worried about Eugene Clarke blinking as he came out, and also, his FX coming off. But it all worked out in 1 take. And, i am pretty sure, Nicotero directed that part himself.

[EricDaNerd]

Just finished watching LOTD yesterday and I came away very happy. Almost everything was pretty much rock solid. Sadly the character development could have been better. I keep telling people that more than likely the director's cut we'll get on DVD will definitely produce a better movie(like DOTDremake)...hopefully I'm right. Those zombie/gore effects were fantastic and it definitely had everyone in the theatre going(EWWW and AAAAHH!!)which is always a beautiful thing(especially 'the priest scene'..simply awesome). Anyway I can't wait for the DVD.

[Dagnammit]

According to www.boxofficemojo.com the movie has, as of Saturday, grossed $15,300,000 in the US. It might not be much of a blockbuster, but considering its budget was roughly $15million, Land of the Dead is now turning a profit. :)

[eardrumbuz]

Just finished watching LOTD yesterday and I came away very happy. Almost everything was pretty much rock solid. Sadly the character development could have been better. I keep telling people that more than likely the director's cut we'll get on DVD will definitely produce a better movie(like DOTDremake)...hopefully I'm right. Those zombie/gore effects were fantastic and it definitely had everyone in the theatre going(EWWW and AAAAHH!!)which is always a beautiful thing(especially 'the priest scene'..simply awesome). Anyway I can't wait for the DVD.

i agree about the lack of character development, and the priest zombie is my fave :)

as for dotd 2004, i was expecting more out of the uncut version. but it was still good, and the bonus features are great.

[Bad Zombie Night]

According to www.boxofficemojo.com (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/) the movie has, as of Saturday, grossed $15,300,000 in the US. It might not be much of a blockbuster, but considering its budget was roughly $15million, Land of the Dead is now turning a profit. :)
I wouldn't say they're making a profit yet... The marketing costs will run the film another $15-20 million. :-(
Romero fans can make all the excuses they want as to why this film is doing so poorly... The fact of the matter is that Land just finished it's second weekend ($3,244,000 est, 4-Day holiday weekend), and it's ranked only #11... Heck, Land has over 400 theaters more than the The Longest Yard, and it's losing to that stinker.

Footnote: Dawn 2004 did $10,675,945 and grossed $44,220,945 total by the end of its second weekend.

[Preach]

it is still a better movie than DOTD 2004

[Bad Zombie Night]

it is still a better movie than DOTD 2004


The general public would disagree with you. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/thumbsdown2.gif

[Ja1862]

Was I the only person who was let down?

Me and my 2 friends where the only people in the cinema so we thought yea this is going to rule and we aint got to be quiet was I wrong.
It's not the worst zombie movie I've seen but its close. I don't understand why everyone gives the director for the re-make of 'Dawn of the Dead' such a hard time, it was a brainless zombie movie yes but so was Land of the Dead. Dawn2004 just had more character development it never stuck by the zombie rules but I liked all those running zombies 10 times more then big daddy.

Most scenes I found to be absolutely predictable such as the hooker, Asia Argento, (who happens to be fully trained in weapons/ marksmanship) is introduced having to fight two zombies in a sort of '**** fight' gambling establishment and you could immediately tell that Simon is going to free her and they will fall in love. (not my words but ture)

I was under the impression that they were dead rotting brainless things. Instead they're finding simple solutions to their complex zombie problems. Zombies using guns maybe (bub who had a lot of training) Zombies feeling sad that another is killed was bad IMO zombies had too many human qualities. That's just not scary. The reason zombies are scary is because they bear no resemblance to the person they once were, and now are mindless, remorseless, flesh eaters and what was up with the leader? He was like some zombie-safety net chucking zombies out of the way from gun fire with his super strength and speed what no other zombie possessed. Big Daddy was somehow a super zombie who moved like a human not a zombie, he didn't feast on humans, he cries a lot and he just used a huge rifle do take humans down. He also was "only trying to find a home for his friends he didn't want to kill anyone" I mean come on now Bub was a little less like any other zombie because he was looked after and fed for a long time by Logan, he was taught and he did feast on human flesh unlike big daddy who has no explanation for how he possess this knowledge.
The lines in this film where cheesy to say the least even Day(which I loved) had better lines then this (End scene” there just looking for a place to go, like us") ...all I can say is wow, Here is the head zombie, responsible for 100s if not thousands of human deaths...and we're talking about cultural diversity?
Big Daddy was handled very badly I that’s 1 thing me and my friends (who dislike zombie films) had to say about it.... They ended up liking this as much as they liked resident evil which aint saying a lot.

This was an ok action flick, I probably would have liked it better if it weren't by Romero but I expected so much more because it was. The plot was thin, and not much was explained about how society as a whole was currently functioning why would money be needed? It just felt like half a movie to me why would Romero try and make us root for the zombies? Was he not trying to make a horror film at all...?

[Emper0r]

I wouldn't say they're making a profit yet... The marketing costs will run the film another $15-20 million. :-(
Romero fans can make all the excuses they want as to why this film is doing so poorly... The fact of the matter is that Land just finished it's second weekend ($3,244,000 est, 4-Day holiday weekend), and it's ranked only #11... Heck, Land has over 400 theaters more than the The Longest Yard, and it's losing to that stinker.

Footnote: Dawn 2004 did $10,675,945 and grossed $44,220,945 total by the end of its second weekend.

Uh, when Dawn 04 was released, it didn't have a monster like War of the Worlds coming the week after it. Also they had a way bigger advertising campaign for Dawn 04 then they did for LOTD. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

[Undead Holocaust]

I liked Land of The Dead... But I agree with you about total lack of character development. Unlike the previous Romero films and the Dawn remake, there wasn't any attachment to the characters. Nothing made you really care what happend to them (well I did enjoy watching the rich get devoured alive) but anyway, there just wasn't anything that made you interested in the characters. 28 Days Later and Dawn of The Dead 2004 both had outstanding character development. People rag Snyder only because he made a zombie movie using Romero's legendary title. I will buy Land of The Dead when its released on DVD regardless. I still think it was a good film.

[Ja1862]

I'm gonna get Land of the Dead directors cut when it comes out to see some gore:-D I love gore

[Undead Holocaust]

I'm sure the DVD will be much better.

[zombiekilling101]

[QUOTE=Ja1862]Was I the only person who was let down?

QUOTE]

lol, go back like 10-15 pages and look at all the arguments thats been going on

[corgi37]

Why do people keep including promotional costs into making a movie? THey are tax deductable.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Why do people keep including promotional costs into making a movie? THey are tax deductable.
corgi... Don't believe everything you hear about the American tax code... Movie making costs are also tax deductible, but that doesn't mean movies are 100% free to make.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Uh, when Dawn 04 was released, it didn't have a monster like War of the Worlds coming the week after it. Also they had a way bigger advertising campaign for Dawn 04 then they did for LOTD. These aren't excuses, these are facts.Didn't you hear what I just said? Land is at #11 (7/4/05, starting only its second week) right now! Also, this is the summer where kids are out of school now, and people on average will go to see more movies.
War of the Worlds, and even Batman Begins are big deals, but here is what the other movies made this past weekend. Land finished #10 for the whole holiday weekend.

July 1-4, 2005
4-day Independence Day Weekend
Studio Estimates

War of the Worlds....................................... $77,600,000
Batman Begins........................................... $18,685,000
Mr. and Mrs. Smith........................................ $12,700,000
Bewitched......................................... .......... $10,800,000
Herbie: Fully Loaded...................................... $10,508,000
Madagascar........................................ ........ $7,000,000
Rebound........................................... .......... $6,000,000
Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith...... $5,000,000
The Longest Yard.......................................... $3,525,000
George A. Romero's Land of the Dead............ $3,244,000
Hell! I'd be happy to finish #3 through #8 :)

[preacher]

a 64% drop over the second week?

After another 4 theatres were added?

it doesnt matter that this movie was only made for 15 million, an execs going to look at the figures and hes going to see a below average opening together with a huuuuge drop off and hes going to think twice about greenlighting another zombie film

they dont want simply their money back, they want a big big profit

heres hoping that dvd sales are huge but if the film was met with apathy in the cinema the dvd better be good otherwise we may not be seeing zombie movies for a while

[jackskellington]

Was planning on seeing it a second time this week since my wife didn't get to go with me on opening night, but she's heard so many bad things about it that she's decided to wait for the DVD. I hate to say it, but Land really didn't leave a lasting impression with me. I had to watch Night 68 last week to remind myself of GAR's talent. I rented Bruce Willis's Hostage tonight and enjoyed it 100 times more than Land.

[Brody]

Uh, when Dawn 04 was released, it didn't have a monster like War of the Worlds coming the week after it. Also they had a way bigger advertising campaign for Dawn 04 then they did for LOTD. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

Whats the point? The reality is that this film just isn't that good. The numbers speak volumes and this isn't some Box Office anomaly. This film is not any good. It's getting beat not only by WOW but by Herbie? Bewitched?

Ouch. The more I think about the more annoying it is; Romero might have just killed off the genre.

[corgi37]

Man, what a dumb comment.

[Brody]

What are you 12? "What a dumb comment?"

Try and have some couth will ya? You may disagree with someone's take but don't be a punk about it.

I'm specifically referring to someone's take above regarding dismal reciepts and a Producers reluctance to greenlight another major dead film. It's been a great resurgence; Resident Evil (The Games are better), 28 Days Later, Dawn of the Dead 04, Shaun of the Dead.

Romero could have slamdunked this. This should have been Romero's magnum opus. And it falls flat on it's face. Wouldn't it be ironic if the man that created the genre just killed it with this poor excuse for a film?

If you don't want to discuss this corgi37; then don't.

[The Blind Dead]

Romero could have slamdunked this. This should have been Romero's magnum opus. And it falls flat on it's face. Wouldn't it be ironic if the man that created the genre just killed it with this poor excuse for a film?

I agree that the movie was a let down but I doubt it'll do much to the zombie sub-genre.

[cyclogenisis]

land of the dead is so sweet

[Conansdog]

Well, I loved it. Ok so the character development wasn't as detailed as we have come to expect from Romero (Day being the best example of this) but maybe George felt like making more of an action film. Yes, Big Daddy was a little difficult to get used to and I agree that the most frightening aspect of what zombies are about is that they are mindless, relentless and can't be reasoned with. Romero did start this process with DOTD however and I think he has taken that to it's obvious conclusion. We really haven't seen much in the sub genre that deals with what would happen to zombies over a very long period of time. If we stuck to the conventional rules then they would just fall over and rot, where's the fun in that. I really enjoyed the action and felt that Romero genuinely tried to do something a little different with this one. A little different from what we were expecting from him anyway. I realise a proportion of the way I feel is due to waiting so long to see a Romero zombie film and being very biased (Romero can do no wrong, I'd be happy with an hour and a half of a couple of zombies farting through megaphones) but I really did enjoy it. There are themes of social comment in there that Romero does so well and hey it's better than House of the Dead.

[Dagnammit]

Land of the Dead was never going to be a smash hit movie; no one ever said it was. This isn't a big Hollywood event movie like the Dawn remake. In fact, it's a relatively small-time, low budget independent film (which was lucky enough to get distribution from Universal).

A lot of people around here seem to have built up some funny expectations about Land of the Dead reaching number one and returning hundreds of millions of dollars in a few weeks. Frankly, it's not surprising that these people were disappointed, but it is irritating that, now they have been confronted with reality, they feel they must vent their frustrations upon George, the film, the studio, etc.

The reality of the situation is that very few $15 million indie movies with such a modest cult following manage to break into the top five, so Land did very well to achieve this. The execs at Universal and Atmosphere are not stupid; they didn't expect a runaway hit any more than I did, but they did expect the fans to turn out in the first week, giving the movie a solid opening, which is exactly what happened: the projected opening weekend gross was $7 million, in the end it made over ten.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

Land of the Dead was never going to be a smash hit movie; no one ever said it was. This isn't a big Hollywood event movie like the Dawn remake. In fact, it's a relatively small-time, low budget independent film (which was lucky enough to get distribution from Universal).

A lot of people around here seem to have built up some funny expectations about Land of the Dead reaching number one and returning hundreds of millions of dollars in a few weeks. Frankly, it's not surprising that these people were disappointed, but it is irritating that, now they have been confronted with reality, they feel they must vent their frustrations upon George, the film, the studio, etc.

The reality of the situation is that very few $15 million indie movies with such a modest cult following manage to break into the top five, so Land did very well to achieve this. The execs at Universal and Atmosphere are not stupid; they didn't expect a runaway hit any more than I did, but they did expect the fans to turn out in the first week, giving the movie a solid opening, which is exactly what happened: the projected opening weekend gross was $7 million, in the end it made over ten.

Um, yeah right. Let's be realistic here. I've come to reality, might as well bring some to everyone else. The movie cost $15mil. The advertising cost was $20 mil. This movie needed to make at least $30 mil. domestically. This movie has yet to make up it's production cost. It couldn't get its production cost over a long holiday weekend. That hurts pal. That's bad. You don't know how bad that is. I'm hoping they will at least allow this movie to go another weekend or two. I'm still hoping on the DVD though. But unfortunately , such a low return could cause a lot of extras to be trimmed from the DVD. That would seriously suck. But hopefully DVD sales and overseas sells help. I don't think this movie will kill zombie films, but I think Romero is done.

Btw, indie fillms don't usually cost $15 mil and get a relatively good ad budget. I also wasn't trying to flame you or anything. I liked this movie. I would just like to kill the idiot who decided to place this film in the middle of the summer crunch and it's still not over.

[Brody]

I cannot agree more.

Reality is accepting that this film fails to deliver. I find it hard pressed to think 'Universal' knew it was a small indie film and are happy to get their 15 Mil...'

They marketed this film with some green behind it; it fails. It's a flop. Period. When films like Dawn do $60M Domestic and $45M for 28 Days Later this film must do better; it's from the godfather of the undead. It has nothing to do with being sandwiched between summer blockbusters (although I agree it wouldnt kill this film to not compete with SW or WOW. Wouldnt kill any film actually)

Even the previews looked bad; I loved the trailer with its showing of previous films and touting the master returning to the genre he created but its almost like thats all they had going for it. When Hopper's character says "Zombies man.... They creep me out.." while picking his nose; That's just a bad line anyway.

I dont know; Im a zombie fan as it is; I can watch Fulchi as much as I can do 28 Days Later. I confess I just wanted this to be the mother of em all.

[outkast]

This is sad. Land couldn't even outgross The Longest Yard last weekend.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Anyone wanna take bets as to how much this film will rake in? :think:
I say the film will clear $22 Million when its all said and done.

[jackskellington]

Anyone wanna take bets as to how much this film will rake in? :think:
I say the film will clear $22 Million when its all said and done.

You talking DVD and everything after October or just the run in the theaters?

[Bad Zombie Night]

You talking DVD and everything after October or just the run in the theaters?
No... I was just talking about the box office forecast, just for fun... Anyone can check the box office figures, but I have no clue what the DVD sales would be... I don't think they post that information.

[Undead Holocaust]

Dawn 2004 was a superior movie to Land of The Dead. Characters? were there ANY in land of the dead? not really, just hot ass Asia Argento and a bunch of dudes in combat boots or 3 piece suits. Just because Romero made Land of The Dead doesnt make it a genius movie. I liked Land of The Dead, but come on, it WASNT that good. Dawn 2004 had it all, action, detailed characters, zombies, blood, explosions, and a good story. I think Romero rushed his newest movie to the max. People that think LoTD was a better movie than Dawn 2004 are only kidding themselves.

[corgi37]

So George has destroyed his genre, and House of the Dead or RE2 didnt?

Makes sense.

And just where does everyone get the $20mill promotional costs from? Is that figure confirmed? Seems a bit steep to me considering everyone was complaining almost right up to opening day that they hardly saw any advertising.

The disappointing thing is i thought Americans were a tough lot. But to have Herbie above LAND?? WTF. Wimps!

And Outland, i bet my house and dog i am older than you, buddy. Just not as prone to over reaction and hyperbole.

P.S. Guys, i am kidding about the Herbie bit.

[Brody]

And Outland, i bet my house and dog i am older than you, buddy. Just not as prone to over reaction and hyperbole.

I don't really think you're 12. So let's not act that way, okay? Now let's move forward and not drag this thread any deeper than it needs to be.

Issue resolved.

[Stash Horak]

What bothers me was that Romero had twenty years to dream up his fourth Dead movie...and he did this. While it didn't suck outright, there were far too many elements that didn't connect with or engage the audience. For a film that was barely ninety minutes long to seem as padded as this was...wow.

It also didn't do anything new. Overzealous and cocky military guys...check.

Smarter, more skilled zombie who rises up and leads his people for civil rights...check.

Fortified location with people who have become corrupted by the illusion of safety and the life they once had...check.

Lead character bitten and slowly turns into zombie only to snuff it moments later...check.

Mocking commentary about America's crass consumerism...check.

Roving packs of leather-clad biker mercenaries...check.

The undertone of the duel nature of humans and zombies (or the 'They're us...we're them' factor)...check.

Fact is...LOTD is Romero's Greatest Hits package. Only without Ken Foree, who is and forever shall be the best 'Romero Dead' actor ever.

At least the Dawn remake had Foree. Got to give them that one.

As for the lackluster box office, I'm not surprised. Everyone knows that Universal will issue a deluxe unrated Director's Cut on DVD. So a lot of fans are probably staying away.

The mainstream could care less. Which is a simple fact of life most horror fans always fail to understand...

[corgi37]

Peace Outland! Not that we really got outta hand. Just healthy debate, and some gentle sledging. Its cool, brother.

Seeing as the review thread is closed, here is one from Roy Frumkes. I havent seen it before. I like it.

Does it disqualify me from reviewing this film if I’ve played a zombie twice in the ‘Living Dead’ originals and spinoffs? If I’ve known the Writer/Director for 27 years, and made a feature documentary about his work called DOCUMENT OF THE DEAD which has its own cult following thanks to my picking such a cult classic to document? If I’ve just directed a TV special for the Independent Film Channel called DREAM OF THE DEAD, made on the set of this film? If Universal provided me with earlier cuts of the film, so that I’m finding it hard to be at all objective about what the final product is? If I’m currently updating my 27-year-old documentary with the co-operation of all involved in this endeavor?
It should…
But it ain’t gonna.
Have you noticed that the advertising campaign for LAND OF THE DEAD -, the one sheets, the newspaper ads, even the press screening passes - are autographed by George A. Romero, inviting us to ‘Stay Scared.’ That’s the first time I can recall that a film’s advertising has been personalized by the filmmaker. Who at Universal was canny enough to realize that the vast audience for this film was coming to watch it as much for its creator as for its content, that they have taken Romero to their hearts in a way, possibly, that hasn’t occurred since the audiences of the early silent days embraced Charlie Chaplin.
And it’s mutual. I was there. There was no escaping an awareness of the pressure Romero was under to satisfy his millions of fans.
Horror is an adolescent mainstay, a projection of some common psychic adolescent angst. Beyond that, many of us, whether we’ve outgrown our adolescence or not, still embrace a passionate seminal experience such as the LIVING DEAD franchise which moved us when we originally saw it. Taking that into consideration, the old plus the new, the audience for these films has grown considerably since the 60’s, and this is partially evidenced by the strong profits evinced by even the imitators of Romero’s brainchild.
But Zach Snyder didn’t have the same ghost on his heels that Romero faced. Snyder directed a 2004 remake of 1978’s DAWN OF THE DEAD. Well, everyone knew that the subtext of the mall culture was no longer an issue, leaving imitation, with a few clever permutations, as his modest goal. With Romero, the expectations were higher. It’s been twenty years. The zombies have been dormant. What modus operandi would account for their reawakening in 2005? And would George wrest back his aesthetic domination of the sub-genre he spawned? There was a lot at stake with this production. And the Universal publicity department, or someone, seems to have grasped that.
The devaluation of the U.S. dollar in Canada last year played havoc with the relatively tight budget of LAND, and some serious cutting and rearranging went on, all through the shoot. Crisis can be a fertile ground for creative inspiration – it has to be for indie filmmakers. And the way this one unfolded, despite the involvement of a major studio, it had the intimacy, the fervor, and the difficult crunch, that distinguish indies from their costly Hollywood cousins.
This time around, plot-wise, the humans have lost ground. Despite all the redneck target practice which has clearly been rampant over the few years between narrative timelines, more people have been dying, rising, and joining the ranks of the viral undead than have been permanently put to rest. Barricaded in a sparkling little city, up against the water and surrounded by electrified wire, is a demographic remnant of society as we once knew it – and it’s shamefully recognizable…social class inequalities, racial tensions, greed despite the worthlessness of the once almighty greenback in post-apocalyptic America….it’s the last vestige of a human race that has learned nothing from its misadventures with the living dead, and deserves what it gets on this outing…
…which, only through Romero’s generous humanity, is just short of total annihilation, allowing for yet another chance to rethink things, as a few survivors head into the wilderness at the story’s end. In an ensemble cast that is uniformly terrific, Simon Baker is the most successful of all Romero’s blonde male protagonists (and that includes Ed Harris in KNIGHTRIDERS). Robert Joy, as his facially scarred, mentally impaired companion, is effective in a tricky role, his physical appearance nicely suggesting uncomfortable proximity to an undead state. Dennis Hopper is so appropriate to a Romero venture (’68 was a breakthrough off-Hollywood year they shared, just for starters) that you need a moment or two to get past the beauty of it. And Asia Argento, though given the least to do, is another role cast in cinema heaven; after all, her dad co-produced DAWN OF THE DEAD and invited Romero on board TWO EVIL EYES.
Best of all is John Leguizamo, following in a tricky tradition of sympathetic villains dating back, for me, to Douglas Fairbanks Jr. in THE PRISONER OF ZENDA. He brings something special to every scene, whether paranoid about Baker’s motives, or toadying up to Hopper’s mega Landlord. He’s got the best line in a film chock full of good lines…but it’s a spoiler, so I’ve got to keep it to myself for now. (I’ll point it out when I review the unrated DVD).
Equal in importance to the actors, the other stars of the film are the Special Makeup Effects by Greg Nicotero, who also directs the Gore Unit and plays a featured zombie opposite Baker on a bridge during Act three. Nicotero is a protégé of Tom (DAWN OF THE DEAD) Savini. In his cameo in LAND, Savini reminds us that the deluge of exquisite gore makeup in countless films since 1978 is a direct result of his handiwork. He is the most visible makeup artist in film since Lon Chaney (his role model), and he is also inextricably linked with Romero, so it’s a super-nostalgic cinematic moment to see them briefly re-associated during the film’s climax.
But back to Nicotero. An equally talented, equally dedicated artist, his decision to go mainstream has seen him exert his talent over hundreds of films in the past twenty years, ranging from RAY and MULHOLLAND DR., to KILL BILL. His work here is displayed in a plethora of loving zombie portraiture, revealed through both body makeup and animatronics, with an eye for detail that will keep DVD collectors’ fingers poised on the pause button for hours.
The differences between NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD and DAWN OF THE DEAD were so remarkable, both in visual concept and philosophy (it was as vast a difference as that which existed between DR. STRANGELOVE and 2001),that DAY OF THE DEAD (Romero’s favorite, for reasons perhaps more personal than aesthetic) seemed like a baby step forward. LAND OF THE DEAD takes a more deliberate stride. There are many more sets than we are used to getting in this claustrophobic anthology, and the screen is wider than it’s ever been in a Romero film, which is an enjoyable new wrinkle. Where formerly there was a black protagonist in the films, there still is, but he’s on the other side. It’s a clear tilting of the balance of life, not to mention our sympathies, in favor of the zombies, and that rocks our thinking, as does a kind of melancholy and mournfulness that permeates the film. As its creator grows older, so his view of mankind’s future, despite the explosions, fast pacing, and zombie squib hits, is more somber and wistful than ever.
I never found the geography of the city quite…right. And I wish we’d gotten to explore more of the minutia in the Nautilus-like anti-zombie vehicle, ‘Dead Reckoning’. But in balance, I was taken for a ride in a stream-lined rollercoaster, and the engineer at the controls guided me smoothly through all the curves and loops and down the steep, scary hills, and deposited me safely on the other side. It was so much fun, I may have to go back and take it again…
LAND OF THE DEAD is an important event, for reasons of re-appropriation, as well as for its many virtues. Given its budget, the film will do just fine no matter how it performs theatrically; the box office may depend on whether today’s youth market prefers its zombies scampering about in a mindless scenario, or staggering along with the weight of subtext on their 3rd world shoulders. I’ve been teaching for over twenty-five years, and it’s been impossible not to notice a fatalistic lethargy creeping into the student body in recent semesters. Perhaps they won’t want to have their zombies chew on ideas…just human flesh. We shall see. It would be a shame for them not to come out en masse to support one of the beacons of the independent film in this country, and a man who has consistently given us the most intelligent genre films of the last forty years..

[DarthSexy]

What are you 12?


"What a dumb comment?"
Try and have some couth will ya? You may disagree with someone's take but don't be a punk about it.
I'm specifically referring to someone's take above regarding dismal reciepts and a Producers reluctance to greenlight another major dead film. It's been a great resurgence; Resident Evil (The Games are better), 28 Days Later, Dawn of the Dead 04, Shaun of the Dead.
Romero could have slamdunked this. This should have been Romero's magnum opus. And it falls flat on it's face. Wouldn't it be ironic if the man that created the genre just killed it with this poor excuse for a film?
If you don't want to discuss this corgi37; then don't.


I totally agree with this comment, it SHOULD have been Romeros' Masterpiece, hell we waited long enough for it.

And outland, you totally stole the from my #1875 post dude :naughty: , haaa, just kiddin'

[Brody]

The Corgi thing was a simple forum bump; we're all good; healthy debates stimulate ideas

But the fact is; damn it. I wish this was the epicness it should have been. Who knows; maybe one of us will do it instead. I dont know.

Damn it.

[Zombielover]

Yes I thought the Liquor store Zombie (2nd one) looked like Bub but I don;t think it was Howard Sherman. He didn't mention it at Chiller but then I didn't ask either

[Dagnammit]

I stand by what I said: Land of the Dead is not a runaway success but neither is it a failure.

The three major motion pictures released that week were:

Land of the Dead - Production Budget: $15 million; Gross to Date: $16,750,380

Herbie: Fully Loaded - Production Budget: $50 million; Gross to Date: $39,093,838

Bewitched - Production Budget: $85 million; Gross to Date: $40,583,013

As you can see, although Land of the Dead made less money in absolute terms, it is the only one of the three films so far to have made more than its production budget. You have to bear in mind that success is relative.

Also, there is no way in hell that Universal spent $20million (125% of the film's production costs) on promotion. Usually a studio will spend a maximum of 100% of the budget again on advertising, and considering the apparently lacklustre promotional campaign even this amount seems unlikely. I think 50-75% is probably a closer estimate, which would put the entire budget somewhere in the region of $23 million. By the time this movie hits DVD, I think grosses will easily have surpassed that.

[Bad Zombie Night]

Land of the Dead - Production Budget: $15 million; Gross to Date: $16,750,380

Herbie: Fully Loaded - Production Budget: $50 million; Gross to Date: $39,093,838

Bewitched - Production Budget: $85 million; Gross to Date: $40,583,013

As you can see, although Land of the Dead made less money in absolute terms, it is the only one of the three films so far to have made more than its production budget. You have to bear in mind that success is relative.
I think that Herbie and Bewitched have a bigger upside, and thus they will make more in the long run, but only time will tell that story.


Also, there is no way in hell that Universal spent $20million (125% of the film's production costs) on promotion. Usually a studio will spend a maximum of 100% of the budget again on advertising, and considering the apparently lacklustre promotional campaign even this amount seems unlikely. I think 50-75% is probably a closer estimate, which would put the entire budget somewhere in the region of $23 million. By the time this movie hits DVD, I think grosses will easily have surpassed that.

Those sound like fair marketing estimates, and I think land will break even in the US... Hopefully the overseas crowd will be more generous, and bring in some gains.
With Hollywood having it's woes right now, a modest profit could go a long way for GAR being awarded any future projects.

[BiscuitsNGravy]

I stand by what I said: Land of the Dead is not a runaway success but neither is it a failure.

The three major motion pictures released that week were:

Land of the Dead - Production Budget: $15 million; Gross to Date: $16,750,380

Herbie: Fully Loaded - Production Budget: $50 million; Gross to Date: $39,093,838

Bewitched - Production Budget: $85 million; Gross to Date: $40,583,013

As you can see, although Land of the Dead made less money in absolute terms, it is the only one of the three films so far to have made more than its production budget. You have to bear in mind that success is relative.

Also, there is no way in hell that Universal spent $20million (125% of the film's production costs) on promotion. Usually a studio will spend a maximum of 100% of the budget again on advertising, and considering the apparently lacklustre promotional campaign even this amount seems unlikely. I think 50-75% is probably a closer estimate, which would put the entire budget somewhere in the region of $23 million. By the time this movie hits DVD, I think grosses will easily have surpassed that.

To date LOTD has barely exceeded it's gross. The film has currenlty grossed $16.7 mil at the box office. It grossed $3.2 mil over the 4th of July weekend. That's terrible. That's a huge decline from the previous week. Now let's say your ad gross is correct and the total budget of ad and production cost was $23 mil. Movies tend to continue to drop more and more each week. Even if this movie is lucky enough to still be in wide release this weekend and hold 50% of it's previous weeks audience, your looking at $1.5 mil. How in the hell will this movie reach you modest estimates of $23 mil. It may reach it with foriegn and domestic ticket sales counted together. And at your estimate, it would definite recoup with DVD sales. But by all standards this movie would be considered a disappointment financially.

I think you have a point on how much a studio is willing to spend on a film. A film like War of the Worlds will get a huge ad push and the studios spend a lot on advertising because they know they can get big returns by doing this. Another reason they spend a lot is because advertising in America is hellaciously expensive. This is one reason, I feel your estimate of 5 mil on adv. is low. I heard 15-20 mil from yahoo. At any rate, just getting time on television can run millions of dollars. You also have print advertising and event advertising (the making of..., free advance viewings, tie-ins, etc.,) This is costly, even for a small film. This is why you rarely see this type of stuff with indie films. I'm not sure where you were, but I knew a lot about this film from advertising even before coming to this site. But advertising only goes so far. Advertising gets them in the door. After that it's the film and word of mouth that generates repeat viewing and additional audience. Obviously the word of mouth didn't help for the second week. Sorry.

[Brody]

I have no idea where to post this.

Whats up with the Zombie Chick wearing the softball uniform? She has almost ZERO decay sans the side of her mouth is ripped open. Other than that she is fairly fresh.

What gives? Were the citiezens of Fiddlers GReen having a softball tournament?

[goesaround]

I was profoundly saddened by the movie. The line between political allegory and apocalyptic horror was always impossible to see with Romero's movies. In this the love of the genre was missing and only the political allegory remained. Whether it was because of the lack of Savini's creative enthusiasm, or the pressure of the suits standing over George(I felt the businessman who says 'we are saved' when the fireworks briefly distracts the zombies and then gets killed was supposed to be one of these suits)or because as I feel in my heart of hearts he is tired of the genre and did the flick because he knew he had to for the fans and had to do it now while the offer was there! In fairness how many directors want to return to the world of their first film! Still these are excuses, valid but excuses. I wanted that Spiritual chill beside the political message! Still some on this thread anger me a bit. They criticise Romero night and day(No pun intended, but I wish I had)and even deny seeing any political message. O.K attack the film but dont attack the man and then have a web site dedicated to blatant Romero inspired movies that you havent even made. I may not have loved the movie like I hoped but I love the man and what he IS about.

[Brody]

Although I have already stated by general review a few pages back i need to reiterate.

This film is missing on all levels.

1. Was anyone scared? Is it wrong to ask to be scared during a zombie film? I want to jump out of my seat and there is zero scare moments in this film.

2. LAND. LAND of the DEAD. What Land? It was a couple dozen of dead zombies hanging around outside the city. We should have felt like this was the LAND of the dead. It never felt epic. 28 Days Later had more of an apocalyptic feel to it; Dawn 04 felt more LANDISH in Death. This felt like some zombie xtras standing around.

I can go on and we have all said it already; set's looked used up. Zero character development. Poorly done action sequences that were reminders of Dawn 78. Badly composited CGI explosions.

This movie sucked. I am so pissed off about this. What a waste. Sorry if I am beating a horse but what a let-down.

[jackskellington]

I have no idea where to post this.

Whats up with the Zombie Chick wearing the softball uniform? She has almost ZERO decay sans the side of her mouth is ripped open. Other than that she is fairly fresh.

What gives? Were the citiezens of Fiddlers GReen having a softball tournament?

She could have been a survivor from another yet unknown city or possibly one of the poor from the streets below Fiddlers Green. Sure would've made for a more interesting story!!

[jackskellington]

I was profoundly saddened by the movie. The line between political allegory and apocalyptic horror was always impossible to see with Romero's movies. In this the love of the genre was missing and only the political allegory remained. Whether it was because of the lack of Savini's creative enthusiasm, or the pressure of the suits standing over George(I felt the businessman who says 'we are saved' when the fireworks briefly distracts the zombies and then gets killed was supposed to be one of these suits)or because as I feel in my heart of hearts he is tired of the genre and did the flick because he knew he had to for the fans and had to do it now while the offer was there! In fairness how many directors want to return to the world of their first film! Still these are excuses, valid but excuses. I wanted that Spiritual chill beside the political message! Still some on this thread anger me a bit. They criticise Romero night and day(No pun intended, but I wish I had)and even deny seeing any political message. O.K attack the film but dont attack the man and then have a web site dedicated to blatant Romero inspired movies that you havent even made. I may not have loved the movie like I hoped but I love the man and what he IS about.

I still love GAR, and I believe you have a point about him just doing this to get it done and possibly being swayed by the "suits", but it seems to me that he sacrificed the entire movie to make a simple political statement that's tired and used up. Except for the gore aspect, this movie shouldn't even go in the horror section when it hits DVD. Hell, it should barely make it into the action section!!!

[Blacksun]

Well we all know now that LOTD was terrible. But I think this movie could of been better if they had the following:

1-Ninjas
2-Robots
3-Flame-thrower
4-Fat kid from Goonies (zombie or actual character)
5-Cheetoes

Now you might think its insane but look...you got some ninjas that chops off some zombie heads with dramatic karatee scenes... you got robots that just talk in 1980's apple computer talk....flame thrower, well we all know fire makes a good movie ... that fat kid from the goonies would make this movie better because his fat and his from the goonies...and Cheetoes.. well who doesn't want to see cheetoes in this movie!!!

[devourthesun]

Dude, what the hell are you going on about?
Land of the Dead was good. Adding all the stuff you said would turn it into a steaming pile of http://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/poo-ani.gif

[zombiekilling101]

Dude, what the hell are you going on about?
Land of the Dead was good. Adding all the stuff you said would turn it into a steaming pile of http://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/poo-ani.gif

i second that

[Brody]

I agree that I need to know what in gods name he is going on about? You mean put Chunk from Goonies in it?

But no; it was not good. Adding that stuff would simply make it a SUPERSIZE PILE OF DOO.

(It's just an opinion; relax)

[goesaround]

Hey lets face we ALL knew there was trouble when George walked off the set on the last day. There was no way to make that seem good.You know what I'm really hoping? George will make a sequel with the truck driving thru the land of the dead. He will have a small cast to work with . The stars are gone and good riddance he wont have a lot of money but they wont be standing over him and he will make it more like the night of the living dead, maybeeeeeee even in black and white again!

[tarman]

1-Ninjas
2-Robots
3-Flame-thrower
4-Fat kid from Goonies (zombie or actual character)
5-Cheetoes

those are truly amazing ideas, but i don't think they would have worked in Lotd!! :loon:

[corgi37]

The good thing about Land's success/lack of, is the small budget. Look at the figures for Herbie and Bewitched, and they are truly terrible. I cant see either movie being a huge hit in Europe either. Nor can i see a huge rush for the dvd (ok, Herbie maybe for the kids). But Land will be a killer in Europe. The supposed anti-Bush references, and the perhaps interpreted anti U.S. foreign policy digs in the film will go down a treat in Europe. The big 3 Euro markets like France, Germany and Italy will eat that up. Horror is still big in those 3 markets and always will be.

Land will be a monster on dvd. And as we all know, the cinema market is depressed world wide. War of the Worlds has to make around $400mill just to break even. Cruise didnt take a wage, so maybe it has to make about $500mill before the studio can pop the champagne.

With Land, Atmosphere was the production company, and Universal the distributor. So, i would guess, Universal didnt put much of the $15mill into the coffers anyway. Probably just paid a fee for the rights to distribute, pay for ads (of which there was scant few according to you Yanks mates and certainly no where near $20mill- it just cant be $20mill!), which they can claim on tax anyway. Maybe the re-shoot money was from Universal, because they dramatically shortened the deadline (deadline! get it! lol).

Such a small outlay is cool. It's in the black, and isnt going to earn any less, is it? The foreighn markets should boost this into the $40mill + zone, then the dvd will really help things along.

[Preach]

I'll buy the DVD :clap:

[Preach]

Well we all know now that LOTD was terrible
still better than DOTD 2004

[Brody]

I like DOTD 04 better but will get the DVD as well. (Library)

[eardrumbuz]

i will buy the dvd too.

i guess this discussion can keep going round and round, but i have to say i'm kinda surprised at some of the harsher criticisms over the last page or so. i mean, i have my complaints, same as most people...lack of character development being at the top of my list, because i think other problems stem directly from that. if we knew the characters better, we'd (A) care more about them, and (B) we'd be more scared or horrified when zombies ate them.

again, i enjoyed seeing it in the theater. i'm thinking about revisiting before it's too late, but i may just hold off and put the $$ towards the dvd. not sure yet.

i cannot believe that anywhere near 20mil has been put into promoting this film. but whether or not it earns 25, 30 or 40 in north america, i'm sure the big bucks will come in overseas, and of course with the dvd release. i think this film will turn a decent profit. maybe summer wasn't the best time to release it here, but maybe that just shows their confidence in how it will do in the long run. we all (well, most of us) know and love gar's work, but most people don't even know who he is. so, it seems a bit silly to compare lotd to the big hollywood movies in the standings. as corgi points out above, look at the percentages and things will probably turn out quite well for romero and his little movie :)

long live the dead

[zombiekilling101]

i went and saw it again.. still like it:)

[vivafletcher]

I liked the movie, too. I don't know what everyone was expecting, but it's pretty much what I expected: an advancement of the zombie storyline and a social message thrown in between the goryscenes.

It wasn't perfect, but I thought it was an enjoyable film. Dennis Hopper's performance was great imo. If he overdid it, it would be absurd like the military commander in Day. But it was just right.

I also liked the fact that the "smart" zombie wasn't all that smart. Yeah, he was smart for a zombie. That isn't saying much.

I admit that the ending was weak, and some parts strained my patience...but I'm glad I saw it. Maybe the zombie experience isn't as interesting decades after they take over the earth, but for hard-core fans of the genre it's an interesting thing to explore. I'd rather see something different than a scenario that was already done well earlier.

It's already turned a profit in the USA alone, so I think it will be nicely in the black after overseas b.o. and DVD sales are factored in. Not bad for a low-budget R-rated movie with little advertising.

Everything esle in the theater was PG-13 when I went to see it. I'm an adult; I'd like a movie for grownups once in a while, too.

[guerrilla]

1. Was anyone scared? Is it wrong to ask to be scared during a zombie film? I want to jump out of my seat and there is zero scare moments in this film.


to be honest, i had never been scared by a zombie film until the last few years. GARs original zombie films never scared me, and for the most part the only other zombie films i saw during the 80s when i was growing up were either made by Fulci or were in the return of the living dead series, and none of those films were scary either.

there are some terrifying moments, but they all revolve around being eaten alive. the zombies in LOTD may have used weapons to kill some people, but there were plenty of people being eaten alive as well.

if GARs original films scare you thats fine. i know a lot of people agree with you, but i was never scared by the earlier zombie films, and i didn't intend to be scared by this one. to be honest, i found 28DL and DotD 04 to be a lot more scary than any of the GAR/Fulci/70s/80s era zombie films. i didn't go to be scared, i went because i love everything a GAR film is to me. zombies, gore, overt left-wing politics, and that beautiful sense of being trapped and hopeless. i even liked some of the characters. Charlie and Pillsbury were cool, and Slack too (though maybe its just that i have a thing for Asia Argento.) Dennis Hopper was just awesome as well. "quick, get down"...BLAM! and then "i just did something i may not have done otherwise" was just funny as hell. one of the funniest things i've seen in a film in a long time.

[guerrilla]

Well we all know now that LOTD was terrible. But I think this movie could of been better if they had the following:

1-Ninjas
2-Robots
3-Flame-thrower
4-Fat kid from Goonies (zombie or actual character)
5-Cheetoes

Now you might think its insane but look...you got some ninjas that chops off some zombie heads with dramatic karatee scenes... you got robots that just talk in 1980's apple computer talk....flame thrower, well we all know fire makes a good movie ... that fat kid from the goonies would make this movie better because his fat and his from the goonies...and Cheetoes.. well who doesn't want to see cheetoes in this movie!!!

you forgot midgets.......

but in all seriousness, i must be dense because I don't know that "LOTD was terrible." i liked it for what it was. i'll admit i wanted more, but to be honest, thats because i love the genre. i've never finished watching a zombie film and felt satisfied. theres always that urge to find out what happens next for me, or to stick in another zombie film and pick up where i left off. it could have been more, but no matter how long the film was, i would have wanted more.

[chickenchop1]

i will buy the dvd too.

if we knew the characters better, we'd (A) care more about them, and (B) we'd be more scared or horrified when zombies ate them.

long live the dead

I agree that character development helps create a better movie. Had the film been longer, I'm sure Romero would've fleshed out the characters more. Another option would've been to include less main characters, and only focus on two or three instead of five or more, which forces the director to thin out the dialog for everybody.

In the end, this movie should've been longer by a half hour or more for character development on Cholo, Riley and his team. And more zombie scenes of the main characters exploring the outer city filled with the dead.

Land of the Dead 8/10

[preacher]

28 days later only cost 8 million but managed to gross 46 million

LOTDs low budget isnt a factor in how well it did at the cinema

put simply the word of mouth that made 28 days and Shaun a financial success story, never came. and for some inexplicable reason they sandwiched it between blockbusters at the height of the summer season

but to be honest, i think that the original trilogy (much like star wars) has been over-romanticised over the past couple of decades

to the point that the movies flaws are ignored and all thats left is the fake impression of this "perfect ideal zombie movie"

so that when the new movie comes out and people compare it to the "perfect" predecessors they unfairly judge it as not being good enough

when in reality its probably just as good

[zombiekilling101]

what is the mixture of a best zombie movie. I personally like dawn 78 better than land, but think 28 days later was the best all around movie froma zomibe genre.

It was sad, last night there was like 6 people in the theater with me.

[jackskellington]

I hate to be the one to say it, but I think that we all must face the fact that Land was a pretty bad failure for Universal. I thought it was a pretty good movie but, unfortunately, the mainstream didn't and they're the ones who buy the big tickets.

[Stash Horak]

All this really means is that Universal will greenlight a Dawn Redux 2 before they do the same with a Land 2. Then again if it cleans up on DVD...they might be inclined to do the sequel DTV.

But I'd have no interest in seeing a direct continuation with Simon Baker or Asia Argento.

As for this...

1-Ninjas
2-Robots
3-Flame-thrower
4-Fat kid from Goonies (zombie or actual character)
5-Cheetoes

I agree 100%. Ninjas are always sweet. Zombie killin' ninjas would be even sweeter. Hella kewl even. As for myself...I'd like to see a zombie in a robot suit, like zombies thrashed the set of some stupid sci-fi convention. Zombies dressed like Cylons or better yet, Trekkies.

Flame Throwers should be in every movie. Like chainsaws.

A scene where Pillsbury jumps up on Dead Reckoning and does the Truffle Shuffle...well that would have brought the house down. Literally.

But no, we get Dennis Hopper picking his nose. Cause that's comedy right there...

[goesaround]

With Romero the movie is in the making. I love to listnen to his commentaries. He likes a family atmosphere on his shoots. He didn't have that here. It sounded like a painful experience. Even in 'Dream of the Dead' they talked of the brutal cold. On top of that the stop watch was running, no Savini, and we still do not really know why. I said it before when I read he wanted to do 'Diamond Dead' I was worried. It sounded like he was tired of the genre. Man there was no buzz doing the shooting and he walked off the set on the last day! Man. Having said that I cant wait for the DVD, I still love the man and dont like to hear him knocked by people who havent done ANYTHING. As I've said my hope is the sequel will go back to old school 'Night of the Living Dead'.Not scared? You weren't there kids when this played in the movies. Most of us smoked something funny and thought it was goung to be like a Mystery Theatre laugh alot! No Way! It scared me silly! I almost ran over movie goers pretending to be zombies coming at my car. When I looked out of my dorm room window at night I saw that zombie crowd outside the farmhouse...Not scary?! Huh!!!

[Stash Horak]

Savini was probably busy with his make-up school. Either that or heaven forbid any FX company other than KNB gets to do anything these days.

Sorry. My hatred for all things KNB is showing.

As for Romero...here's my problem. The best moments in any of his previous Dead films were the quiet, character scenes that are less about time and budget than they are good quality writing.

If he had spent more time on the characters and their story and less on the zombie mayhem...Land would have been a better movie.

[Brody]

but to be honest, i think that the original trilogy (much like star wars) has been over-romanticised over the past couple of decades

to the point that the movies flaws are ignored and all thats left is the fake impression of this "perfect ideal zombie movie"

so that when the new movie comes out and people compare it to the "perfect" predecessors they unfairly judge it as not being good enough

when in reality its probably just as good

Speak for yourself; perhaps this may be true of the general movie going public which I am sure the studio's view as cattle or drones but not here.

The movie sucked and in reality, Niether NIGHT, DAWN or DAY are incredible cinema in the first place; more Kitchy and Cultish than Great ****in Films. (Relax; I like them for being Kitchy and Cultish) but LAND sucked because it suck's.

And just like the new Star Wars films; they suck because they do; not because of some mystical perception stemming from the original's or some viel illusion that has us under a trance.

[DarthSexy]

DUDES, I just saw DEVIL'S REJECTS at a Special Screening.
OMGosh, It ****IN RULED!!!, ZOMBIE is a genius. Deserves its own thread.

Oh yeah, just so I dont get bashed I'll stay on the subject at hand, LAND sucked arse.

[Pain]

DUDES, I just saw DEVIL'S REJECTS at a Special Screening.
OMGosh, It ****IN RULED!!!, ZOMBIE is a genius. Deserves its own thread.

Oh yeah, just so I dont get bashed I'll stay on the subject at hand, LAND sucked arse.

Ask and you will receive!

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3981

Still at least a month til we get Land :x

[DarthSexy]

Ask and you will receive!
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3981
Thank you my friend :clap:

Oh yeah, gotta stay on the subject, LAND suuuuuuucks! :puke:

[goesaround]

Are you for real? Hell, I would rate Romero's "Monkey Shines" as the greatest movie ever told compared to any pointless piece of poop,ugly Rob Zombie flick! If his last name was not 'zombie' except for you and a guy I know who sniffs left over model glue from his Revell P.51 mustang model kit, nobody would even walk in the movie theatre! I was very disappointed in Land of the Dead but Rob Zombie...the worst of the worst of the worst...Bub would walk out

[Brody]

What?

I love stimulating debates. Rob Zombie is the worst of the worst or House of 1000 Corpses is the worst? I'm not buying the last name game; a filmmaker is a filmmaker in my book. Did it have some appeal? Yes. I'll give you that.

I loved House1KC. Cannot even wait for REJECTS.

And yeah; back on subject LAND sucked. http://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_puke.gif http://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/poo-ani.gif http://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/icon_puke.gif

[zombiekilling101]

Thank you my friend

Oh yeah, gotta stay on the subject, LAND suuuuuuucks! :puke:

Blah.. land kicked ass!:evil: :evil: :clap:

[Brody]

L O L :) :) :lol:

[DarthSexy]

Are you for real? Hell, I would rate Romero's "Monkey Shines" as the greatest movie ever told compared to any pointless piece of poop,ugly Rob Zombie flick! If his last name was not 'zombie' except for you and a guy I know who sniffs left over model glue from his Revell P.51 mustang model kit, nobody would even walk in the movie theatre! I was very disappointed in Land of the Dead but Rob Zombie...the worst of the worst of the worst...Bub would walk out

LOL :drinking: , whats wrong with sniffin glue?, and by the way, if this is supposed to be a debate, how can you DEBATE about a movie something you haven't even SEEN??? :loon:, well talk after July 22.

I'm gonna laugh IF and when Rejects does better at the Box office than Land, wich by the way suuuuuuuucks! :puke: :poo:

[goesaround]

Blah.. land kicked ass!:evil: :evil: :clap:
Well, 'Land' certainly kicked 'House 1000 corpses' ass!!!!

[DarthSexy]

Well, 'Land' certainly kicked 'House 1000 corpses' ass!!!!

The difference being that when HO1kC came out, we expected nothing from it, absolutely nothing from a newbie rockstar director on his directorial debut and what we got was actually a big surprise, a really good and fun movie.
But on the other hand, we expected a lot from LAND, and from an experienced director that made us wait 20 years for a sequel that made a mediocre comeback with a mediocre movie.

And in my opinion, REJECTS kicks both LAND and HO1kC 's asses.

[Brody]

Well, 'Land' certainly kicked 'House 1000 corpses' ass!!!!

Yeah, in the following categories:

1. The Boring as Hell Category
2. The Biggest Letdown Category
3. The biggest Choke Category

:lol: :) :roll: :clap:

[goesaround]

Yeah, in the following categories:

1. The Boring as Hell Category
2. The Biggest Letdown Category
3. The biggest Choke Category

:lol: :) :roll: :clap:
Yeah in the last two catagories 'Land' wins but House of whatever wins in the 'biggest piece of crap' catagory as well!