Official Land of the Dead Thread

[Zombie Mark]

I wish he did Dracula.Wow a Romero Dracula.....
If you haven't seen it, check out "Martin". Not exactly Dracula, but I found it very interesting and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to a Romero fan.

[Dagnammit]

I think Martin might be my favourite Romero film. Certainly it's my favourite after the Quadrilogy and Creepshow.

According to Romero himself, he feel Martin is his most accomplished film. Apparently, the final product was the closest to what he had imagined it to be.

[zombiekilling101]

2 more days until 8pm on monday.:drinking:

[jackskellington]

Went to Blockbuster yesterday and saw they had the big unrated cut poster hanging up, and then I saw a couple of TV spots for it this morning. I'm excited for all of you who plan on purchasing it on Tuesday. Nothing like getting suckered twice!! :lol: (Relax, it's just a joke.)

[FredGavioes]

still not sure if im going to buy this dvd. it wasnt that good, i even prefer day instead of land. sure it had tons of blood, and gore and etc , but i dont know, it lacks on a good storyline, most of the characters sucked and the whole movie we only saw 20 zombies or so.

[Tyrant]

I can't wait for the game!!!! :lol:

[corgi37]

Dvd is on my most wanted list.

Even ahead of Stones tickets.

[corgi37]

Here's a link with some pics from the unrated version.

http://www.davisdvd.com/misc/bin/landofthedead.html

[Dearth]

Land Of The Dead... my opinion...

The weakest of the quadrilogy...

That may seem a criticism but hey - look what it has to leave up to - three TOTAL classics in my opinion... I did enjoy the film though!

It seemed to me to be more like 'Escape From New York' than a 'zombie' film... I don't know why, just reminded me a heck of a lot of that one.

I like the idea of a 'zombie leader' though... and the scenes coming out of the water were good too... also the 'sky flowers' and the zombies distracted by them - nice touch.

Tom Savini - nice to see a cameo - he's good with a machette too for a dead guy! :)

I'll be wanting this one when it comes out on DVD... but then again, I bet I'm not the only one here to say that!

:)

N.

[Zombie Survivor]

Can't wait for the DVD! *reserved a spot on the zombie shelf*

[zombiekilling101]

As did I Zombie survivor.

tomarrow at 8 for the showing!

[zombie2005]

Youll like land of the dead sooner or later.

Day of the dead for example before land was the weakest and no one really like it but after years later you begin to like it.

[Sadogoat]

For some strange reason, I got my copy of the Unrated DVD last Monday. It's pretty good - the extra stuff consists of one entire added scene with Cholo(which doesn't really contribute to the story at all) and lots more gore shots - people getting intestines ripped out, their skin peeled off their faces etc.

Mucho fun. :D

[Last Resort Man]

WOO HOO!
I got my ticket to the director's cut screening tomorrow night. Glad I went today to get it those mapquest directions sucked, but I managed to find it on my own. :mrgreen:

[zombiekilling101]

WOO HOO!
I got my ticket to the director's cut screening tomorrow night. Glad I went today to get it those mapquest directions sucked, but I managed to find it on my own. :mrgreen:

wohoo man.. 8 o'clock will be some fun for us then

[corgi37]

Here's a little link to a little i/v done by one Mr. Romero last week. Pretty interesting stuff.

http://dvd.ign.com/articles/658/658642p1.html

[zombiekilling101]

tonight at 8 wohoo!

[Bad Zombie Night]

I'm probably gonna pick up my copy of the 'Unrated Edition' tomorrow, along with a few other titles... I know a ways back, I said I was going to post what I really liked, and disliked about this movie, but I never got around to it... Once they announced the DVD, I felt it would be better if I waited, and took another look at some of the scenes more closely, before making any statements... I've always said though, that LOTD was a good Zombie film, but I felt it could've been a hell of lot better. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley.gif

[doctorFreakazoid]

I agree. Romero's movies never started out as hits, they built up a cult following over time. I don't think it was even close to being one of his better movies, but I think that it too will have the same status down the road that the first three enjoy now.

[Last Resort Man]

Just got back. Interview was funny and informative.
Enjoyed the added stuff and seeing LOD on the big screen again.:mrgreen:

[Zomboy]

Did anyone else feel that the intro with Romero just kept going? Otherwise, pretty cool. I liked that shot where the guy got his face ripped off by having his lip pulled up. I don't remember seeing that before.

[corgi37]

I read yesterday LOTD has made about $50mill.

[zombiekilling101]

Land unrated in theaters was a great time. Best movie crowd ive ever been in because eveyone in there was a fan.

The interview was sweet and Romero is a freakin funny guy.

"I'll smoke this damn chair if I have too!"

There was alot more gore and I love the outcome that happens to mouse:evil: Classic Rhodes style right there.

[hardcoreone2]

Just so you guys know, Wal Mart has a package for the Unrated LOTD. For $19.96, the same as the regular LOTD, you get the LOTD Unrated DVD and Boogermen: The Killer Compilation.

[Daytripper]

Hey guys, just a heads up that Future Shop in Canada has a package deal where you get Land of the Dead (Unrated) and Dawn of the Dead 04 for $37.99 Cdn. LOTD on its own is $25.99 Cdn.

Just a heads up incase someone hasn't got Dawn of the Dead 04 yet. I'm sure Best Buy will have the same bundle in the U.S. since they are the same company as Future Shop :)

[Slumlord]

Boogermen: The Killer Compilation.

Boogermen? lol. Oh, the Wal-Mart here has Land of the Dead Unrated Directors Cut for $14.97 Full or Widescreen. $19.99 Fullscreen only with the Boogermen extra. Circuit City has Land of the Dead Widescreen only with comic book for $17.99.

[hardcoreone2]

Boogermen? lol. Oh, the Wal-Mart here has Land of the Dead Unrated Directors Cut for $14.97 Full or Widescreen. $19.99 Fullscreen only with the Boogermen extra. Circuit City has Land of the Dead Widescreen only with comic book for $17.99.

HAHA, I didn't notice! I'm computer illiterate!

[XposedGuts]

Just got my DVD unrated at Target for $16.99

[zombiekilling101]

Just got my DVD unrated at Target for $16.99

copycat..

I got mine, but havent watched anything on it casue I'm beat from work.

[Brody]

I was gonna pick this up today and then asked myself "Am I reeally gonna like it more? Can I talk myself into liking this?"

I did'nt pick up any DVD. :roll:

[Slumlord]

That 'Scenes of Carnage' extra was nasty. And I thought the gore in the movie was good but damn... that takes the cake.

The extra scene at Fiddlers Green that was put back in, I understand why it was taken out for the theater... I think. They should have left some of the deleted scenes in the movie though what very few of them there were.

[vtchatman]

i almost bought the dvd today but glad i didnt, i rented it from a red neck video store for $1.50 which will be closed tomorrow so i can keep it an extra day, anyways ive watched it and all the bonus features and it was ok but not worth buying or watching too many times, time for george to retire as he should have after dawn of the dead.

[corgi37]

Go on Outland. You know you need it.

I had to order from the net to get it shipped over from Yank land. Got it for $20.00U.S. No one here knows when its released. Rang one chain and they said next year! Stuff that! Gonna cost me $35.00AU all up, which is what i'd pay for it here anyway.

Plus, no doubt, the U.S. version will have more stuff than we will have.

[Slumlord]

Plus, no doubt, the U.S. version will have more stuff than we will have.

Don't know, but I watched it again and liked it even more this time. Great stuff and the disc is loaded with extras. I got a kick out of watching Simon Pegg welcome you to his trailer in his zombie make-up.

Damn, watching it this time I could almost hear Big Daddy saying "Dammit, if I could move just a little faster I'd kick your ass you little whipper-snapper!"

Don't care about the nay-sayers... fine movie and glad I made the purchase.

[Zomboy]

it was ok but not worth buying or watching too many times, time for george to retire as he should have after dawn of the dead.

Hey now, let's not say things we might regret. Just put down the knife, and step away from deer.

[Zomboy]

Oh yeah, did any one else notice this. In the scene where the guy hangs himself, he turns into a zombie without being bitten? I know this idea has been discussed in The Walking Dead, but never in the previous dead films. What are your thoughts?

[devourthesun]

They kinda say "Bodies of the recently deceased are getting up and attacking the living."


Duhhttp://allthingszombie.com/forums/images/smilies/happy.gif

[Bad Zombie Night]

I guess it's safe to say, once a Zombie movie makes it to DVD it's not in theaters or upcoming anymore... It's about time this thread gets a transfer to the Classic & Not-So-Classic Zombie Films (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11) forum. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley.gif

[SGT. DEATH]

I guess it's safe to say, once a Zombie movie makes it to DVD it's not in theaters or upcoming anymore... It's about time this thread gets a transfer to the Classic & Not-So-Classic Zombie Films (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=11) forum. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley.gif
That idea had crossed my mind. :drinking:

[Dagnammit]

Oh yeah, did any one else notice this. In the scene where the guy hangs himself, he turns into a zombie without being bitten? I know this idea has been discussed in The Walking Dead, but never in the previous dead films. What are your thoughts?

This premise is central to all of the dead films!! In Night of the Living Dead Johnny returns as a zombie without being bitten (as well as all of the other corpses from funeral homes and mortuaries). In Dawn of the Dead we see dozens of zombies displaying no bite damage whatsoever. In Day of the Dead, Private Johnson is killed by a burst of machine gun fire and his decapitated, reanimated head later shows up in the film. In fact, one could go as far as to say that, in Romero's films at least, bite wounds have nothing to do with actually becoming a zombie - a bit from a corpse will give you septacemia and gangrene, and most likely will kill you unless the infected area is amputated, but it is the death itself which causes the victim's transformation into one of the undead.

Remember, the Dead series has nothing to do with Resident Evil - the cause of the outbreak is NOT a virus, it is a completely unknown force that causes dead bodies, any dead bodies, to reanimate.

[Z Killa]

Go on Outland. You know you need it.

I had to order from the net to get it shipped over from Yank land. Got it for $20.00U.S. No one here knows when its released. Rang one chain and they said next year! Stuff that! Gonna cost me $35.00AU all up, which is what i'd pay for it here anyway.

Plus, no doubt, the U.S. version will have more stuff than we will have.
Corgi, I read on your post on the Day thread that it was banned, now you mention that the US Version will have more. What's up in OZ bro?

[Z Killa]

This premise is central to all of the dead films!! In Night of the Living Dead Johnny returns as a zombie without being bitten (as well as all of the other corpses from funeral homes and mortuaries). In Dawn of the Dead we see dozens of zombies displaying no bite damage whatsoever. In Day of the Dead, Private Johnson is killed by a burst of machine gun fire and his decapitated, reanimated head later shows up in the film. In fact, one could go as far as to say that, in Romero's films at least, bite wounds have nothing to do with actually becoming a zombie - a bit from a corpse will give you septacemia and gangrene, and most likely will kill you unless the infected area is amputated, but it is the death itself which causes the victim's transformation into one of the undead.

Remember, the Dead series has nothing to do with Resident Evil - the cause of the outbreak is NOT a virus, it is a completely unknown force that causes dead bodies, any dead bodies, to reanimate.

True Dat! In fact, They are two seperate plot lines altogether. I don't think GAR would include any Lickers or hunters in the Dead series. It would detract from the formula. Also, couldn't find Zomboys thread so I'll add on to it in this post. Check out the Directors commentary. During the scene GAR explains that he wanted to clear up the "bitten/non-bitten" thing during the scene with the guy who hung himself, but due to several Technical reasons they couldn't use that in the theatrical version.

[Crombie]

Hey guys, just a heads up that Future Shop in Canada has a package deal where you get Land of the Dead (Unrated) and Dawn of the Dead 04 for $37.99 Cdn. LOTD on its own is $25.99 Cdn.

Just a heads up incase someone hasn't got Dawn of the Dead 04 yet. I'm sure Best Buy will have the same bundle in the U.S. since they are the same company as Future Shop :)

Walmart has the same combo on for $31.99CDN. I already had a copy of DoTD'04 so I just picked up the Unrated DVD for $24.83CDN

[zombiekilling101]

I watched all the bonus features.. whats up with that zombie screaming call thing?

[Dead Remains]

I thought the special features were awesome (I mean u cant go wrong with showing romero talking). Also it was cool seeing Shaun and Edgar meet Romero, their idol. I was very pleased with the extra gore footage. Watching the behind the scenes footage of making the zombies and doing special effects made me really want to become a special effects makeup artists! Seriously, that seems like the ideal job.

[Slumlord]

I watched all the bonus features.. whats up with that zombie screaming call thing?

It was the Thriller dance... sad as it may be. :-(

[goesaround]

Darn gotta wait for Amazon to get mine to me. I thought I would get it sooner.. I cant wait even if I was dissapointed. I know what to expect plus I know with the extras I'll like it even more. I can not believe how low people rate 'Day of the Dead'. It;s one of the blessed(small 'b')trinity! The fact in Romero that it is not a virus is part of what makes Romero heads above any two other zombie butchers. The Spiritual dimension,the aspect like the author Kurt Vonnegut said on T.V's Charlie Rose."The earth is trying to shake us off like a bad cold" He is right. Can you blame her? If there is no more room in hell it's because of your damn cruelty and very wrong choices not a virus...Dig?

[corgi37]

Z Killa - You missread me. Day was once banned in Australia and i had to get a VHS copy from Hong Kong. Day got released here early 90's. But, the 2 disc Special Edition set was not released here. I got it for my 40th a couple of years ago. My mate ordered it from U.S.

I said i ordered Land from the U.S. because of the time delay in a dvd release here. Normally, i wait, just to see if we get any extras. Mostly, we dont. I bought the U.K. version of Shaun off ebay for $12.00AU. Reason? Cause the U.K. version has shit loads more stuff than the U.S. version. The Oz version was crap.

I want Land now! I cant wait 2-3 months. Here in Oz, we obviously get all the big movies, and mostly with all the features. But, the smaller stuff can take a while. A perfect example is the aforementioned Day, but also the Dawn78 box set. It's not available here, except on import. It costed $125.00!!! I bought it from U.S., had it Fed-exed, and all up only cost me about $70.00!

I expect Land will arrive in about a week. Cant wait.

P.S. Sad to see this thread go to the dvd section. Man, i followed it from the start! Time moves on. Or, as the STones once sang "Time waits for no one".

[Slumlord]

Remember, the Dead series has nothing to do with Resident Evil - the cause of the outbreak is NOT a virus, it is a completely unknown force that causes dead bodies, any dead bodies, to reanimate.

But alot of people were shot and never revived. You keep guessing, is it a virus, supernatural, radiation... etc. etc.

In the beginning of Land of the Dead someone says his wife died of a heart attack then she got back up and attacked him and he put a curling iron through her head. So, I guess we'll never know what really causes it but it's good to have some mystery to the movie.

But, in Day of the Dead 2 there are these badminton birdy looking vial things that carry a virus that release glowing orbs and... just messin' with ya. :)

[zombiekilling101]

But alot of people were shot and never revived. You keep guessing, is it a virus, supernatural, radiation... etc. etc.


But, in Day of the Dead 2 there are these badminton birdy looking vial things that carry a virus that release glowing orbs and... just messin' with ya. :)

I dont remember any parts where someone was shot and didnt come back. refresh me:)

You had me going on that Day 2 comment:lol:

[Slumlord]

I dont remember any parts where someone was shot and didnt come back. refresh me:)

Well, all those dudes who got blown away on the roof during the ghetto holocaust in Dawn of the Dead. Alot of them only took chest shots from what I remember they never showed those guys getting back up. In Day of the Dead Dr. Frankenstein wasn't shot in the head either but never got back up after getting killed. You just never know I guess why they come back to life in any of the movies... it's only really hinted in Night of the Living Dead.

You had me going on that Day 2 comment:lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist that one. :)

[zombiekilling101]

yeah but I would figure they would dispose of them, seeing that they were a disposal type unit.

But remember that Dawn zombie that got shot in the chest and went down, that one dude (cecil I think) that bit that one girl.

BTW
how do you quote someone more than once?

I think my favorite feature on the Land dvd is the John tour.. that guy is pretty funny and especially when he finds the 2 dummy zombies "wheres GREG NICOTERO now!"

[Slumlord]

BTW
how do you quote someone more than once?

With the QUOTE /QUOTE command

Or just click the http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/images/editor/quote.gif and type in what you want to quote in you post reply. :)


Another good learning method is click the 'quote' button when you respond and look at how someone typed thier message. All the commands and such are there, that's basically how I learned when visiting forums.

[eardrumbuz]

finally saw the commercial for the dvd today. probably pick it up over the weekend. wonder if bj's or costco will have it, or if sale price at target or best buy wil be better.

[jmeg]

I don't know what best buy has it for but my local Borders (just a short block from my desk - get thee behind me, bookstore!) had it for $20 this week.

[Nemesis]

The Wal-Mart down here has the standard dvd for $19.92 and the unrated dvd for $19.96. It's only four cents more, why would Wal-Mart do that?

[Slumlord]

Did anyone get the version with the comic book? Was it a Land of the Dead comic? I didn't really look at it too closely.

[zombiekilling101]

Did anyone get the version with the comic book? Was it a Land of the Dead comic? I didn't really look at it too closely.

I didnt know they had a comic book for it.

[Slumlord]

I found a few copies and picked up another copy with the book, I'll just sell the first one I got.

[EDIT]

I've learned my lesson and grabbed the unrated widescreen with comic. Good thing too, they only had 3 copies left with the book.

[SGT. DEATH]

Just watched it again and showed it to my best mate but he fell a sleep.Some people dont appreicate zombies. :drinking:

[corgi37]

Ordered my copy from U.S., and hope to get it before next Friday. Looking forward to showing the kids.

[Zomboy]

The Wal-Mart down here has the standard dvd for $19.92 and the unrated dvd for $19.96. It's only four cents more, why would Wal-Mart do that?

19.96 at Walmart? The walmart down the street has it for 15.87. I want to steal that display they have it on.

[preacher]

just seen it, terrible scriptwriting, badly drawn characters, bad acting and clunky exposition.

i mean if you were in a hut, at night, in the middle of a world populated by flesh eating zombies would you choose to listen to your walkman really really loud so you cant hear anything around you. or would you well....not.

but hey it helps with the plot devices

and charlie (the most badly written character ive seen on screen in a very long time) is still going on at Riley about his uselessness/deformities even though theyve been together for ages and ages and ages

hopper was just the same character hes played for ages, i give up on the guy bringing anything new to a movie anymore. hes just crap.

And leguizamo was the same, playing the exact same character hes played in every other movie in his career.

its a shame they didnt answer the question about money, at least Mad Max made the point that money would be useless and all that would matter would be water and petrol.

But i guess that wouldnt fit in with romeros demands that it must also take a sideswipe at America etc

overall about as entertaining as resident evil

But one question; what was in the bleeding boxes at the start?

[Zombie Survivor]

Although I 100% disagree, I must and I will respect your opinion. But don't see it as another part of the Trilogy, but a start of a new serie...

[Slumlord]

But one question; what was in the bleeding boxes at the start?

I loved the movie but that's neither here nor there.

The boxes contained dead bodies of people that Kaufman had killed and Cholo disposed of. I guess they forgot to put them in body bags before stuffing them in the boxes.

I wonder why Hopper would allow a scene of him picking his nose?

[preacher]

i thought i recognised this guy from dawn of the dead 2004 as one of the zombies in land of the dead...

http://imdb.com/name/nm0052103/

im not at all interested in a sequel to Land, there was nothing in there thats made me interested in what happens to the characters after the end. or a progression of the "intelligent zombie" theme

i would love to see a sequel to the dawn remake though

[Darth Erroneous]

I agree on seeing a sequel to Dawn 04, but I would like to see a continuation of Romero's series. After seeing some less-than-spectacular zombies flicks recently (Undead and Contagium) I would love to see another Snyder and/or Romero zombie flick. Looking back after seeing some of these newer movies, I see how good we had it with Land and Dawn 04. I can't wait to finally watch land of DVD (It's been sitting since it came out) because I feel that over time it will become more welcome within the trilogy.

[Xenomrph]

i thought i recognised this guy from dawn of the dead 2004 as one of the zombies in land of the dead...

http://imdb.com/name/nm0052103/

im not at all interested in a sequel to Land, there was nothing in there thats made me interested in what happens to the characters after the end. or a progression of the "intelligent zombie" theme

i would love to see a sequel to the dawn remake though

Oh my god! That's hilarious!

As for Land of the Dead, I enjoyed it a lot. I saw it in theatres and liked it, and have since bought the unrated version on DVD the day it came out, and I watched it twice thus far (once with the audio commentary, in fact). The more I watch it, the more I like it.

[goesaround]

Really it's not as funny as Jackie Mason.."Seperate from the Trilogy" Yes thats it. I dont see it as part of the trilogy but something else. If I do that it's a better then o.k made for t.v. movie and I cant wait for Amazon to send it already. I bought it with them because they offered a 10 minute interview downloadedable. Not worth the wait or the interview. But you know what watching Resident Evil Apocalypse on T.V. last night I realized a couple things. How good the first hour was and they obviously raided Romeros script. Raccoon city(A typical Japanese attempt to comeup with an American sounding name) is on a bridge the only way in and out of the city. There waqs something else too but I cant remember right now. They also raided Dawn 04 The opening suburban shot and a few other things too that also dont come to me now when I need them .But think about it.They raided 04 and Land of the Dead script. But of course 04 raided raided "Dead Reckoning" and to make those escape busses.

[preacher]

i think if this film was blind-tested with zombie fans who had no idea it was a romero film it would get a more negative reaction that its getting now.

And that the positive responses are largely made because of romeros reputation, and the fanboys allegiance to him and not as an objective review of the film

[Kemper]

i think you have it exactly backwards. This forum shows that. They wanted a human interest zombie spectacle...not (in their words) a formulatic action flick.

I loved it by the way. I enjoyed it and will watch it over and over and over and over and over again. Screw you guys :lol:

[zombiekilling101]

Watched it again last night.. still great stuff to me. Although Big Daddy is probably my least favorite character in Romeros zombie movies though.

[tarman]

i bought the unrated directors cut of land of the dead the other day. i watched it for the first time since opening day in the theatres, and i still think that it's a fantastic movie.

i don't know if it's my imagination, but there seemed to be waaay more gore and dismemberment going on. the extra scene with the cholo finding the guy hanging in the apartment was also pretty decent. it gave some extra character to fiddler's green.

in retrospect, big daddy is a necessary element for the film, but his there is no evolution of his character at all. he starts out as a highly intelligent zombie and we have no reason why or how. there should have been more of a transition between him being an every day stench and becoming big daddy as we all know and love (or hate) him.

there really is no middle ground as far as the other characters go either. They are mostly static, but it works with the film. land is very black and white and makes no bones about what it is trying to accomplish. That's cool and all, but i like to see some shades of gray thrown in. a little more meat on them bone, perhaps.

the gore - thumbs up. great mutilation scenes! i can do without cgi blood, but what are ya gonna do.

land is awesome. the end. :drinking:

[preacher]

ive seen the unrated dvd twice now in the hope that it gets better upon a second viewing but it still sucks.

i think GAR had two ideas he wanted to carry on whether they were logically feasible or not. He wanted his concept of an intelligent zombie and he wanted to do the whole "the city is america" blah blah idea.

Which is fine if he had thought the whole thing through, considered the flaws of his concept and addressed them but instead of trying to work out a way so that his ideas are logically consistent hes simply gone full steam ahead with them and hope that no one notices the cracks.

he doesnt bring up why moneys still relevant because that would get in the way of the "have/have nots" concept. He didnt show big daddy eating anyone because this would have detracted from his emotional manipulation. Because if you see him eating someone then he would not be this sympathetic guy whose being persecuted by the living etc etc.

and dont say "well he doesnt have to show the audience everything" because thats like one of these news reports that only shows half the story to manipulate you into thinking something they want you to think

and dont say "hes too evolved, hes realised eating peoples wrong" in which case he would not only have learnt morality but also he would realise the only thing he could do with his army of flesh eating zombie is to lead them away from humans into say the woods to die themselves.

but then i thought he wanted to stop his army of zombies from dying, which is why he went to the city to kill all the bad people?

Gnarrrrrr..........

also when riley decides not to blow them up saying "theyre just looking for a place of their own" thats complete B.S. Yes theyre homeless, but theyre homeless cannibal zombies, the only thing they eat is human flesh. Rileys just seen big daddy lead his army of zombies into a town and slaughter 99% of the inhabitants yet he still doesnt want to stop them going to the next town and doing the same? Why? Because "theyre just looking for a place of their own" or could it just be that it would interfere with GARS analogy of the haves and have nots.

i dont mind new ideas being brought into a zombie film, but if hes going to imagine a new world he needs to think the logical progression through completely. instead of ignoring the bits that dont fit into his ideas.

But then maybe im overthinking it, maybe its just a dumb action flick. Like the dawn remake, but you know, obviously not as good as the Dawn remake

[Zomboy]

If anything, this movie had a GREAT TRAILER. Why wasn't it included on the DVD? At Romero's age, I think this movie is as good as it can get. Let's be thankful we got a pretty darn good movie.

[corgi37]

Since the day it opened, i have been astounded at people's negative reactions, and the reasons for them. Land aint Dawn, but its way better than Day and the MTV Dawn remake. It's really a generation thing now. I am convinced at that. This board has turned 100% around from when Dawn04 came out. Believe it not, i was defending that movie as well.

Comparing Land to Dawn04 is a waste of time. Different values are represented. Different reasons for making them. And different audience target. I cant for example believe people say Dawn is a better action film, then others bag Land for being an action film! Then to compare the gore is just hilarious to me. There is no eating in Dawn, save Loui's lame bite, the janitor's guts, and CJ at the end. And, even then, it's like some really stringy stuff, not the gaping wounds Romero/Nicotero delivered.

Big Daddy - yeah, he was a bit annoying. An extension of Bub for sure, but the grunts really got to me.

Anyway, time for a beer.

[Zombie Survivor]

Can't wait to buy the DVD!

[Kemper]

i can't believe any person could say this movie sucks...You can say it isn't a good movie, but it doesn't suck on any level.

[preacher]

it just didnt click with me, some bits (mostly charlies dialogue) were so bad they were insulting.

i dont think Dawn04 was as dumb a film as people say it was. yes some characters were broad and stereotypical but the two leads (sarah polley and jack weber) werent your typical horror/thriller characters. you could see that they brought something to the roles that wasnt on the page

yes it had rock music but it was by no means for the mtv/attention deficit generation.

And no it didnt have lots of gore but apart from the die-hard horror fans gores not really important in a film. And a films gore content simply doesnt matter in terms of how good it ultimately is.

and it had a great ending making you want more.

[eardrumbuz]

it was my understanding that big daddy led the other zombies in the direction of all the fresh meat that had just paraded through "zombietown". his rationale may have been half "we need to eat" and half "i'm gonna get you sucka". as for him not eating during the movie, well, he was a pretty meaty zombie. maybe the revenge plan/helping his zombie friends was just weighing heavier on what was left of his mind.

and... "at romero's age"? what does that mean?

[Slumlord]

and it had a great ending making you want more.

Not really, everybody died in Dawn of the Dead 2004.

[preacher]

they didnt show everyone die, they left it open ended with the zombies attacking

[eardrumbuz]

Not really, everybody died in Dawn of the Dead 2004.

hallelujah! finally, someone who agrees with me on that one. i, too, saw the ending as a very clear sign they all became zombie food. i don't think the simple fact that you don't see it happen on screen gives any hint at an escape and a sequel with those characters.

i'd certainly like to see another zombie film from zach snyder, but it would be pretty lame to pretend they survived the end of '04.

[Slumlord]

they didnt show everyone die, they left it open ended with the zombies attacking

They got off the boat, got rushed by turbo zombies, camera falls... the end.

[Slumlord]

hallelujah! finally, someone who agrees with me on that one. i, too, saw the ending as a very clear sign they all became zombie food. i don't think the simple fact that you don't see it happen on screen gives any hint at an escape and a sequel with those characters.

Yeah, V-8 powered zombies vs. getaway sailboat with a broken motor. It's over.

[preacher]

yeah but the director purposefully left it open so that its up to each persons opinion. some will think they died while others hold out hope that some managed to stay alive

which is still a better way to end the movie than Land of the deads "let them live while we all piss off to canada" ending

Land just seemed to be a two hour movie horribly edited to 80 minutes, with parts seemed to be rushed, other parts not properly explained.

i mean if theyve been scavenging through these towns for so long then surely they would have looted all the nearby towns and progressively gone further and further out. Which means that the town with big daddy in would be far far away. Which would be a trek for any normal walker let alone a stumbling zombie yet the zombies manage to reach the city in a couple of hours

while the only problem i had with Dawn04 was the girl and her fking dawg which was a horrible plot device. but compared to land of the dead its citizen kane

[eardrumbuz]

people can believe what they want about dotd04, but i don't think the director left anything open to interpretation. as slumlord recounted, the boat is dead in the water, the camera falls to the dock, the zombies attack... during the credits we hear "people who died" and at the close we are treated to "down with the sickness" to the sound of people being slaughtered. i think it's safe to say they are the same people who were just on that little boat :)

i agree the lotd ending was worse than most sitcom endings. i was half expecting to see a freeze frame on their smiling faces as they hit the road.

edit- i agree that lotd should have been 2 hrs (or at least 105 mins).

i don't have any problem with the proximity of the "zombietown" to the city. you gotta give him a little artistic license (i mean, who can walk across a river in an hour anyway?), but as far as there still being supplies in a town as close as that one was just shows me that the time frame from night and dawn (i'm only counting time in the PA area) to this was not really too long. some have suggested that it's many years, like a decade or more after. i don't think it's much more than a year or so. less than 5 for sure. kaufman strikes me as a guy who felt the need to act quickly, so i don't see 'dead reckoning' as being a decade long project. if the living had been holed up for over a decade, i don't think we'd see much merchandise in the local stores :)

p.s. i'm waiting to see it again on dvd, so maybe someone who has been watching it recently has noticed some reference to a specific amount of time having passed? any mention of it in the film?

[zombiekilling101]

he doesnt bring up why moneys still relevant because that would get in the way of the "have/have nots" concept. He didnt show big daddy eating anyone because this would have detracted from his emotional manipulation. Because if you see him eating someone then he would not be this sympathetic guy whose being persecuted by the living etc etc.




He doesnt have to.. the whole thing about the movie is ignoring the probelm, trying to go about life how it used to BE!

Thus why money is still used.. trying to hole onto something as shallow and useless as money in a world where your focus should be on survival of the species and not on greed.

He was the General.. generals usually lead and not fight.. he led by example.. remember when the zombies were feasting in the loading docks.. and he grunted them into check.. and they continued there advance to there goal.. the cities destruction.

[preacher]

ok so lets assume they all died in the dawn remake. everyone criticises it as being commericial and mtv but how "commercial" is it to kill everyone off?

surely if it was this the demographically controlled, cynical studio remake everyones claiming it to be then surely the characters would all drive off into the sunset together as fireworks explode in the dark night sky. All happy, healthy and alive. A scene so warm and shnuggly all its missing is fking ewoks dancing around a campfire. But they didnt, they all got slaughtered. On a crappy island, with a broken boat.

Land on the other hand....Now how did that end again?

[zombiekilling101]

Land on the other hand....Now how did that end again?

the same as Dawn of the Dead (fran and Peter flying off into the sunset)

The same as Day of the Dead.. the 3 flying off into the sunset.. to chill out on an Island..

[preacher]

my point was more to illustrate the non-commercial ending of dawn04 as opposed to the commercially friendly ending of Land.

But yes youre right for GARS last 3 movies the lead characters have always lived

so if theres a 5'th dead movie that kind of ruins any tension

[zombiekilling101]

so basically what youre saying is for his last 3 movies the lead characters have always lived?

so if theres a 5'th dead movie that kind of ruins any tension

no, night they all died.. (unless you count the remake). Dawn, yes they flew off.. but how long could there fuel last.. Day how long could they last on the island.. we had no idea what they had.. Land how long could the Dead Reckoning last.. you know that beast doesn thave good gas mileage (spelling?)

Just that they end with the theme of " the fight continues" so to speak.

There still should be tension.. cause every movie has increased the undead #'s whick makes survival even harder.. so if there were a 5th, odds are shits gona go down seeing that theres like 6 people in Reckoning with limited ammo, unknown rations, and in the land of the freakin dead.

[eardrumbuz]

my point was more to illustrate the non-commercial ending of dawn04 as opposed to the commercially friendly ending of Land.

But yes youre right for GARS last 3 movies the lead characters have always lived

so if theres a 5'th dead movie that kind of ruins any tension

well, to be fair, what's commercially friendly about the ending of dawn04 is that they gave us a video montage set to a popular song, complete with gratuitous gore and nudity. that's an R rated commercial ending. LOTD's was more, as i said before, like a sitcom or tv movie ending. A little too friendly!

[corgi37]

Whats wrong with it?

As the screen faded to black, they should have had "THE END". Then, 2-3 seconds later, "THE END????"

Or, "THE LIVING END"

Or, "To be continued..." and then shown unseen footage. Sort of like the end of Back to the Future 2.

[preacher]

to make it more of an epic story he should have made the zombie siege of the city into something along the lines of roukes drift (Zulu) Helms Deep (LOTR) or even Mad Max 2.

where the people in the poor areas are pooing themselves as to the oncoming zombie horde while the people in the rich tower block ignore the problem thinking they wont be able to get them etc

all they can do is wait in their city hearing the zombies slowly march nearer and nearer to them.

he could stil have had big daddy directing the zombies but they could have drawn more on the characters and their stories of before the zombies started

but of course hed have to dump Dead reckoning (which wasnt that great anyway) but i think it could have been an epic character piece

[Lefty44709]

After re-watching Day of the Dead, I finally understand why it is that I dislike Land of the Dead as much as I do.

In Day of the Dead they were trying to figure out how to deal with the Zombie Plague, and were discovering that you could "train" the Zombies and such...

This movie just completely passed over all of that and went to a point where people aren't even thinking about the Zombies. In fact the only interaction they had with them was destroying them while they hunt for supplies.

That's all fine and good, but there was never any explanation as to why they stopped caring about the Zombies, and how to fix them. Did this movie take place 30 or 40 years after Day? Then shouldn't they at least explain what happened to the Government, the Military, blah blah blah? Shouldn't there at least be some conversation to let us know what happened.

Also, if it's 40 years later, then there are a lot of kids who grew up in a world where the only thing they knew was a world with Zombies... What do they think about the Zombies? Are they scared, or is it like us with Bears? We know they can kill us, but we barely ever see them, so we never think about them?

This would have been an excellent 5th movie, but I would have loved to see the 4th movie be about how Fiddlers Green got setup, the problems they faced, how they decided on their electric security system, how people got into power, etc...

[Dearth]

This would have been an excellent 5th movie, but I would have loved to see the 4th movie be about how Fiddlers Green got setup, the problems they faced, how they decided on their electric security system, how people got into power, etc...

An interesting thought there Lefty...

Maybe someone might do a prequel to LOTD to make that so...

I'd wonder too about children growing up in a zombie environment... how would they react? I mean, over here in the U.K. we have NOTHING poisonous or dangerous as such (apart from the odd thorn or stinging nettle/bee/wasp) whereas the rest of the world are 'used to' snakes and weird spiders etc. - maybe you'd 'get used' to zombies and learn how to avoid 'em?

Weird image comes to mind, of a sort of 'Far Side' cartoon, with a kid poling zombies with a stick, and Granny shouting:
"Wilbur junior, you come away from they deyad folks! You leave 'em be an' they won't bother you none boy!"

:lol:

N.

[goesaround]

Well 'Land of The Dead' came finally from Amazon.Tommorow I will watch all 4 Romero zombie films in a row and see how it does. But even if I wasn't thrilled I really was happy to hear he intends to do 2 more. Afterall with video sales added and Showtime or someone will pick it up as Cable did Dawn 04 'Land' will still make a pretty penny. Mark my words come Christmas this year or next their will be an ultimate 'Land of the Dead' DVD with 3 more minutes and extra extras and togather with a cable deal this will make even more bling. I predict these things and I predict the next Romero film will be more like 'Night of The Living Dead' and will be as sharp as a stratocaster

[zombiekilling101]

Lefty

In day, the whole reason why the scientists were there was to study. of course the moive is going to about studying the zombies.

[Lefty44709]

Obviously....

That's not even my point. The point is that there was no connection between Day and Land whatsoever... It would have been far more entertaining to see how Fiddlers green was set up then to watch was presented to me in LOTD.

It was so rushed that it left me not caring one bit about any of the characters, or the town itself. Like I said, had this been the 5th movie, I probably would have liked it, but as is, it was a dissapointment.

Despite the fact that these movies are about the Dead rising from the earth, Night, Dawn, and Day all allowed us to suspend our disbelief enough to enjoy the movie. This movie was so disconnected that it was impossible to suspend disbelief... how did this all happen??? I remember when the movie wasn't out yet, the biggest argument was why money had value in this new enivornment. A 4th movie detailing the building of Fiddlers Green would have made suspending disbelief in this aspect much more possible.

[preacher]

i agree. the next logical step after showing the military in "day" and everyone running for their lives in "Dawn" would have been to show how the people start to rebuild their lives, how they come back together as a community after initially fleeing. And how they rebuild the trust between each other in a land without law (28 days later dealt with this in the first 20 minutes)

now that theyve gotten over the initial shock of the dead coming back to life, how do they deal with it and how do they deal with the loss of everything theyve ever loved.

But instead weve missed all that out and everyone just acts like zombies are nothing special, as if shooting someone who's bit is nothing. Everyones numb to death and thinks chucking a girl into a zombie pit is nothing.

But wheres the characterisation in a movie where all the characters are numb? And where the people didnt actually tell you their back story. And if we dont know who these people are then why should we learn to care about them?

its as if weve been reading a book and the authors jumped from chapter 4 to chapter 7.

[Lefty44709]

I think you said it better than I ever could have.

Thanks

[zombiekilling101]

Obviously....

That's not even my point. The point is that there was no connection between Day and Land whatsoever... It would have been far more entertaining to see how Fiddlers green was set up then to watch was presented to me in LOTD.

.

how is there no connection..

Night- the outbreak started.. people were scared but were trying to deal with it.

Dawn- People are now excepting the undead coming back, and are on the run and trying to fight them off

Day- The worlds been overun and people know it, yet they are trying to find answers and make the dead work in there favor

Land- The dead have taken over, people are trying to continue on.. the only way to carry on life.. is to take something that was so familar to them.. ie money, shopping, drinking and walking around in buisness suites.

[Darth Erroneous]

Upon second viewing of Land, I found that I dislike Riley, Really dislike Big Daddy, and really, really dislike Cholo dying. In the past, Romero has given us very likeable and human characters. in Night there was Ben. In Dawn there were all four survivors in the mall. In Day there was the two helicopter pilots (their names are lost to me now). In Land there were shallow and one-dimensional characters that weren't very human or likeable.

[zombiekilling101]

why is it that when I defend the movie.. you guys dont come back against my defense.... victory.

[Quinn]

I have to agree with zombie killing on his analysis of Land. Because I think Romero never saw this as a linear world, rather as a medium in which he can kinda take a snapshot of America and give it a horror spin. And in this case he analyze's the effects of 9/11 to a certain degree. After the terrorist attack I think alot of America searched for a way to cope and it saw patriorism as a method. There is nothing wrong with that, but I think Romero was trying to get to the point that it has been explotied by the current adminstartion along with money, consumerism, and to a degree fear. Same as how kaufman uses the exact same methods to maintain the stradified society he has created. So in a sense it is explaining how people are rebuliding after the living dead, in this case they rebuilt wrong. Also in Day of the Dead it was more of a government sponsored task to study the dead, this is more of a non-governmnet autocracy which has no real need to study the dead; it just needs to keep them out.
I guess it kinda depends on your taste, but I liked Lands characters a hellava alot more than Day and Nights. Dawn characters are tied however. My reasoning is that Day (not withstanding Rhodes or Dr.Frankenstein) and Night had really unlikable people. Land had alot of little moments that are kinda easy to miss but say alot. For example: When Riley slips on the front of Dead reckoning on the bridge the facial exchanges between him and Slack (Asia Argento) kinda shows how the two dig on each other and is kinda sweet. I get the same look from my girlfriend after being tackled pretty hard playing soccer. Thats my 2 cents anyway, also Zombie I did respond but in support so sorry about that.
Have a good day
Quinn

[zombiekilling101]

Thanks for the respose Quinn. I also dig the way Riley and Slack flirt. Romero doesnt ever come out and say there going to be an item.. but the few subtle things.. the one you said, the time where he saved her and said he saw her around, and when she cleans the blood off his chin.

Come on preacher and Lefty.. im calling you out:)

[corgi37]

I've ordered my uncut version and am still waiting. Bloody hell, i hope it comes by Friday. I'm dying to watch it.

THis is from Dread Central. Its probably posted before, but answers some queries.

Q: You had previously established in Dawn of the Dead that money was worthless...

GR: Yeah, worthless to that group.

Q: So was it difficult to try to establish that is this film?

GR: Well, it’s different because in Dawn of the Dead it’s about the stuff. It’s about consumerism; if you got a pair of Nikes that’s all you need. This is much more modeled after this administration. It’s all executive. It’s fancy stuff for people who can afford it. The administration is dealing in big, big bucks and doling out little bits, as he says, to keep people off the streets. But the operative of it, the sort of service personnel, are relegated to a very different lifestyle. So it just seemed natural because that is what really this is about, right? I mean this is Halliburton. So it’s a different era. But of course it is their own. It’s probably not worth anything in Union Town. So that is the difference. In Day it was this little community living down there and it had nothing to do with money.

Also says later on Hopper is indeed a staunch Repbulican, but Hopper himself said he intended not to go over the top, but play Kaufman as a Rumsfeld type character. Oh, and the "zombies, they creep me out man", followed by the nose gouge, was Hopper's ad libbing!

See!!!! To say Land is not linked to Day is like...der! And Day aint linked to Dawn. And Dawn not really to Night. They are self contained "snap shots" of the same universe, but in different time frames of the phenomenon. It is so obvious many people dont get what Romero was doing with Land. Mostly young kids who just want the shoot em up of RE or Dawn04, without the thought. How many are going spurt man juice over brain dead crap like "DOOM"?

Land aint perfect, but its bloody great the more you delve into it. He is saying so many things under the surface. Yet, all the metal heads care about is why money is important, why did Blades have the strength to split a guy in half, Riley sux, Cholo sux, Big Daddy sux, whats with the ending - blah blah blah.

Any one who doesnt think some of the symbolism and imagery is genius, is crazy. Like the target zombies. Or, the zombies in the amusement parlour. Or, the birds in the gilded cage! 1 of Romero's many, many points, was that the people were living the high life, while others (the poor and the ever increasingly angry dead) were getting fed up "Eating the bones while they eat steak". They lived in luxury...but it was still a prison. Thats just 1 of many points. To me, Romero hit the nail on the head very well on a range of subjects.

But, most of all. Land incorporates much of what was intended for the original Day. So, if you hate Land, boy oh boy, you would have hated Day if Romero was allowed to film what he intended!!!!!

I still believe, that in 5 years or so, this will be much more appreciated. Thing is, the attitude Romero is bagging, is still with us. But, say 5 years from now, and Bush is in jail, our Prime Minister too, and all the profiteers from the Iraq war are dead or lynched, then attitudes to this will alter. Remember, Night wasnt shown in many Southern areas because of the skin color of a certain Duane Jones! Neither was the Omega Man, for God's sake. Times change. Things are viewed with a different perspective. I find Day the weakest out of his zombie movies, cause i read the script, and weep for what SHOULD have been.

To finalise (and for about the 50,000th time) LAND is about ignoring the problem. About how people can still stuff things up by thinking about how much they can get for themselves, without how much they can share for the common good. Why would there be scientists debating what was already done in Day? ANd, i might add, in Dawn? There is zero explanation in LAND, cause, hey, you've got 3 frigging movies laying the ground rules!!!

Sheesh!!

[jmeg]

Corgi37 - my thoughts exactly. I thought Romero did a great job with this one. I have to admit to at least partially sharing his views of society and can think of very few happier outcomes than Big Daddy and Co. running roughshod over Fiddlers Green.

Here's hoping the mailman brings you a little packet of joy - before Friday if at all possible.

[preacher]

this is why i have no interest in seeing another zombie movie from GAR.

Because he fits the story and the continuation of the zombie world around his political beliefs instead of the other way around.

Now i know youre saying "well thats GAR hes always done this" and yes he has but until now it hasnt been to the detriment of the story or film.

Night was about them surviving, not dealing with the problem. At the end the rednecks think theyre winning but theyre not, i mean its only one day since Day Zero. Theyve got the entire fall of the goverment and civilization as they know it to come.

and if they think theyre winning then the true horror of what was happening wasnt apparant to them. They may have accepted the fact that the dead are coming to life at the end of the story but that is a long way from dealing it with emotionally.

Dawn was the same story as Night but told from a different perspective. Here GARs political viewpoint fits the story because the zombies rise in the beginning (its pretty close to day zero) and the heros retreat to a shopping mall. Which (if empty and closed) is the most logical place to run to because of the food etc.

They then, much like in Land, become happy again because they ignore the problem of the zombies outside the mall (or city walls depending on what movie it is)

This movie is a natural progression of Night because it shows us the world falling apart. Night was just a couple of people in a house but this is showing us how the world struggles to survive the onslaught.

Day is a natural progression because during Dawn youre thinking "where the hell is the army" so because he had no money were treated to the military viewpoint from a bunker.

Night and dawn both showed the zombie rising and people fleeing, trying to come to terms with the zombies rising. Day showed utter desolation in the first act, with the doctor going on about how the zombies outnumber them etc etc.

so weve jumped from people fleeing the zombies in night and dawn, to utterdesolation in Day (we dont need to see how all that destruction occurred because its logical that the zombies just killed everyone)

but then from the utter desolation in Day and all the talk of people being outnumbered in the thousands weve jumped forward to a lovely little city with fences around the perimeter etc etc.

But while the first three were natural progressions, Land just jumps too far ahead without telling you how they got there, whats happened to the army, the goverment, why is money suddenly relevant, how did kauffman get into a position of such power etc etc.

and why did it do this? Simply because GAR wanted to tell his little parable about the usa and george bush. not because it enriched the zombie timeline, continuity and added to his zombie world but because he wanted to get a dig in at dubya.

Which is ok if its dealt with in a way that logically seems feasible with the movies that have gone before such as Dawn and Day but this isnt

[Lefty44709]

why is it that when I defend the movie.. you guys dont come back against my defense.... victory.

Because there is no reason to argue with people that wont change their minds. Some didn't like some did, nothing anyone is going to say is going to change anyone's mind.

I'm more interested in explaining why I didn't like the movie, not in having to defend myself for not liking it. Just like you shouldn't have to defend why you enjoyed it. It's a forum for ideas, not an argument.

[Quinn]

No offense Lefty, but I think that zombiekilling might have been making a joke :). Thats how I read it anyways.
As far as how GAR evolves the universe in which he decpicts on film, I think it kinda depends on your prefrence for film. I think some individuals see Romero's movies as a quadrilogy (SP?) of singular snapshots that make some inference to the socio-political enviornment in which they were influenced. Thus they can be kinda timeless as long as human nature remains the same. Although Land may have a bit more diffculty, but time will tell I suppose.
On the other hand others see Romeros work as a linear universe with a natural progression and aim. Similar to say a star wars or Matrix, only with microcosm analyzed rather than the big picture. Also smaller budgets.
Both approaches work, but how you look at the whole series I think determines what you think about Land.
Have a good day
QUinn

[Lefty44709]

I wasn't upset by anything he said, it's hard to read emotion into a message board like this, I was just explaining why I personally haven't argued his last point. If there seemed to be a tone of anger in my last post, it wasn't intentional.

As for your point, I guess that's what this whole thing comes down to. On other notes, I'm not sure how anyone could be pleased with the character development of LOTD. There was none.... It just seemed so rushed, you would expect more after 20 years of preparation.

I should be receiving my netflix copy of LOTD sometime soon, maybe my second viewing will alter my perception of the movie.

[Quinn]

I hope you do pick up some new things in the second viewing, often your able to take in more details, also since you can rewind it aids in taking it in. I made the mistake of going to best buy and grabing what I thought was the wide screen version, but wound up buying the full screen. UGGH, I know I can return it but I am just to o lazy.
I will say this however, I think some people see Romero has having plotted this out for the last 20 years. This isnt the case though. He made some films inbetween, and I think that he states in the movies commentary that he wrote the script right after making Brusier. Which IMDB has as being made in 2000, so this isnt 20 years grand planning as much as 1 year script writing then 9/11, then put on the shelf. Fast foward to the film 28 days later= interest in zombie films=Romero reworking script. Please note however, that I am not trying to change people views. I see character development, for certain characters a little some alot. However those who do see zero character development, I can see your point. Which once again goes back to my previous post I guess.
Either way have a good day
Quinn

[goesaround]

Well I gotta say having watched the uncut version I like it a lot more. Granted I know what it's limitations are. But the added gore made more horror factor and the movie fits T.V screen better. Romero gave me the key to this in the D.V.D. when he says he likes the 2 dollar window at the race track he has no desire to make the grandslam. The movie was better then I gave it credit for. The acting was worse I even laughed at how bad some times and cliches he never used before. I loved the zombie that bites the arm of the young man in the liquor store. When you watch it again watch how good a zombie and how good he moves when he comes out of the liquor store. The end c'mon it was like the end of afterschool special or Buffy. I mean why go to Canada if the good guys have taken over and it's now being run by the kind of people he only hopes to find in Canada? Also why did the zombies not attack the other humans? After killing the Capitalists they lost their taste for the Lefties(I wish)But it did have little things I missed and I really did like it a whole lot more. By the way I'm now completely convinced their will be next Christmas a deluxe Land of the Dead DVD. The clue is the "Document of the Dead" or what ever they called the new one was not included in the extras. Anybody want bet $2 dollars? The extra Gore was all you could want or not want. Anyway after my disappointment I could now watch this and enjoy it.Still without Savini really being involved it missed alot.Still long live Geoge!

[corgi37]

Good series of posts guys. I enjoyed Preacher's post in particular. Maybe you are right. GAR sort went a bit ahead of himself. But, as he's said, the zombie movies were made in a particular decade, and he missed the 90's. So, there ya go, maybe he DID go ahead a bit.

This version is indeed influenced by 9/11. Though, of course, aspects of it conceived prior. I read a script once which must be about 5-6 years old now. It was really crap too, i might add. That was when the idea for Land was based mainly on America's ignoring of the homeless problem. Now, add that and 9/11 aspects of fear and trying to carry on admist fear, and you have what he gave us. Which, again i must say, i loved.

Also Romero has had a lend of us too, because there are so many, many similarities to the original Day script. It's understandable that GAR doesnt make simply a re-hash of Dawn. I gotta be honest, i think most of you, well most of his fans, really just want that. Fair enough too. Dawn's situation in regards to the outbreak and societys collapse is the most intriguing part i feel. But, its kind of pointless to say "He didnt explain how things fell apart". Well, um, yeah - he did! Dawn and Day allude to how quickly things collapsed from a military and law enforcement point of view. I might add, incidents in New Orleans really showed how close to the bone Romero was!

I felt with Day he took things as far as he could. Thinking about it, Land should have been the 3rd film, and Day the 4th!! Land is a tangent.

I disagree the acting is bad in Land. Asia's role was probably a bit thin, but she looked hot. I thought fellow Aussie Simon Baker played his role very well. Jaded, faded, tired - seen it all. A guy who's had enough. To have him running and jumping around yelling and screaming would have been terrible. Initially, i disliked Cholo, but as the movie progressed, i thought Leguizamo got the hand of it. The scene where he got bit was terrific. The look of resignation and disappointment on his face was brilliant!
Day acting is bad. And, Dawn has atrocious acting too. Really, only the main 4 in Dawn did a decent job. Oh, the eye patch scientist was a legend though! hahaha.

I can dig people not liking it, i have to! hahaha. But i really think people tore it apart too eagerly and looked at it a bit too shallow minded. There is alot going on in Land that just one viewing in a cinema, expecting only gore, gore, gore and nothing else, and eating popcorn, just wont satisfy. LAND is ideal for dvd to enjoy again and again.

Love to all.

[Crombie]

I think my greatest disappointment with the film was the run-time, and as noted the lack of character development. My other wish is that the ending was not so sequel-centric. All of the other films kind of had that whole climax thing going where the story seemed that it was at it's logical end. The ending for Land just kind of jarred me to the point where the credits actually surprised me.

[corgi37]

Gotta agree with the run time. Oh, and hey, major bummer. IT's Friday and my dvd aint arrived from the land of the free. What a prick! Hopefully Monday.

[Crombie]

That is not to say that I did not enjoy Land from a zombie movie perspective. I also find it quite fascinating the discussion surrounding the allusions in this movie. Unfortunately my movie viewing is kind of 2D when it comes to the allusion aspect, and I just watch movies as entertainment. I went, I saw zombies getting blown up, and I was entertained. My only wish was that it lasted just a wee bit longer.

PS: That is one thing I miss about living in the US.. Saturday mail delivery.

[Last Resort Man]

Im sure Romero would have preferred it a bit longer and gorier but he was under contract from the studio to deliver this one R rated and relatively reasonable running time.

[jackskellington]

How about everyone quit making excuses for Romero. It seems that all the so called "fans" of Land are very quick to dismiss any faults in the movie as, "the fault of the evil studio executives." But then when it comes to a movie like House of the Dead, it's just Uwe Boll's fault, plain and simple. Let's just please admit for once that Land failed on many levels and it's nobody's fault but Romero's. He's the one whose name is on the product, therefore, he, and he alone, is responsible for either the success or the failure of it. Don't get me wrong...I'm a Romero fan and I give him all the respect he has earned, but with Land, I feel he didn't earn any at all.

[eardrumbuz]

I was planning to buy it today, but didn't get around to it. So, I was just looking at maybe ordering it from www.deepdiscountdvd.com (cuz I also wanted to get Undead and I've only seen it at Best Buy for $28), and I noticed that besides the FS and WS editions, they also have listed (for January, 2006) a Land/Dawn pack for $19 and change. No pic, but I'd hate to pay the same for one as I eventually can for two dvd's...even if I own Dawn already...free is free. Then again, I'd hate to wait til January for the Land dvd. Damn marketing strategies :-(

[Darth Erroneous]

Undead for $28! Hell no! But a Dawn/Land pack...that is almost undeniable. Are we talking Dawn '04 or Dawn '78?

[preacher]

No, the ultimate responsibility for the film (and its quality) lies with the producers (who can fire the director if they wish) and the film studio financing it.

Uwe Boll finds financing for his own films in order that he may profit from tax breaks in germany.

I mean look at how many times the studios have screwed over Terry Gilliam.

The director can only deliver the best film he can with the resources given to him by the producers and the studio

If the producers and the studio dont want to give "X" amount of money to do a big showy explosion scene at the end then the director cant have his big showy explosion scene.

And if they want a 80 minute tv show style zombie movie instead of a 2 hour slow burning epic then all GAR can do is bend over and say "thank you sir may i have another"

[jackskellington]

Uwe Boll finds financing for his own films in order that he may profit from tax breaks in germany.

I was only using Uwe Boll as an example. The fact remains that ANY director who makes a bad movie always gets labeled, (even here on ATZ), as a shitty director but that doesn't seem to be the case with GAR. I'm just as much a fan of his as the next fellow, but I'm not gonna make excuses for him when he fails.

If the producers and the studio dont want to give "X" amount of money to do a big showy explosion scene at the end then the director cant have his big showy explosion scene.

So are you saying that the HORRIBLE ending of Land was the choice of the producers? I think they would've shelled out a few more bucks to blow all the zombies away.

And if they want a 80 minute tv show style zombie movie instead of a 2 hour slow burning epic then all GAR can do is bend over and say "thank you sir may i have another"

Or he could find alternate financing. Everyone is so quick to say how "dedicated to his movies" that GAR is, so then why did he allegedly just let someone else run the show for him and deliver a sub par movie? I call bullsh*t on that. Either way, he is ultimately responsible. If it's true that the producers ruined the movie, then it's his own fault for letting them. People will only push you as far as you'll let them.

[Ravenheart]

I watched the unrated version last night and even though it was nice to see the extra gore,this movie could have been so much better then it was.

[preacher]

I was only using Uwe Boll as an example. The fact remains that ANY director who makes a bad movie always gets labeled, (even here on ATZ), as a shitty director but that doesn't seem to be the case with GAR. I'm just as much a fan of his as the next fellow, but I'm not gonna make excuses for him when he fails.



So are you saying that the HORRIBLE ending of Land was the choice of the producers? I think they would've shelled out a few more bucks to blow all the zombies away.



Or he could find alternate financing. Everyone is so quick to say how "dedicated to his movies" that GAR is, so then why did he allegedly just let someone else run the show for him and deliver a sub par movie? I call bullsh*t on that. Either way, he is ultimately responsible. If it's true that the producers ruined the movie, then it's his own fault for letting them. People will only push you as far as you'll let them.

Well the producers of Gladiator refused to "shell out a few more bucks" and end the movie with the invasion of Rome like what Ridley scott wanted.

And it took twenty years before GAR found someone willing to finance another zombie movie and that was only because other movies in the genre had become successfull. Do you think he was going to say "nah i want complete artistic control over everything" and wait another 20 years until somone else offers him money?

Unless you have your own production company, directings just a gig. Actors answer to the director, directors answer to the producer, producers answer to the executive suits. And it goes on up.

If a huge movie tanks its not the director who suffers, the guy who gets sacked is the guy who greenlit the movie. Because he was in charge of the producers who are in charge of the director whose in charge of the actors.

So if an actors doing something that stinks then the director tells him to do it different much as if the directors doing something the producers dont like then they tell him what to do

When studios hire a director they dont care about the specifics of the director directing it, but they employ the man under certain requirements such as they want a nice piece of ass bouncing about for the teenagers, they want to put some product placement here etc etc

George Lucas can be held totally accountable for the star wars films because he financed, produced, directed and wrote the bloody things

Spielberg can be held totally accountable for the films he churns out because he directs, approves the screenplay and produces the films.

quite simply you cannot hold someone totally responsible for the content of a film if they do not have total control over every aspect of the film. Which GAR did not.

[jackskellington]

Well the producers of Gladiator refused to "shell out a few more bucks" and end the movie with the invasion of Rome like what Ridley scott wanted.

Did Gladiator fall on it's face at the box office? Comparing that to Land is like Citizen Kane to Gigli.

And it took twenty years before GAR found someone willing to finance another zombie movie and that was only because other movies in the genre had become successfull. Do you think he was going to say "nah i want complete artistic control over everything" and wait another 20 years until somone else offers him money?

Well it seems that alot of people around here have said that Day wasn't the movie that GAR wanted to make, but he made it the way he was told, and it ended up failing at the box office. So why would he wanna do the exact same thing again 20 years later and run the very probable risk of not getting financed for another 20? Personally, I LOVE Day and have ever since I first saw it in '85, but from what I've read, it wasn't what he wanted.

Unless you have your own production company, directings just a gig. Actors answer to the director, directors answer to the producer, producers answer to the executive suits. And it goes on up.

Granted. When he was doing the whole Image 10 thing, everyone seemed to be happy.

...quite simply you cannot hold someone totally responsible for the content of a film if they do not have total control over every aspect of the film. Which GAR did not.

But the general public DOES hold the director responsible. Not everyone gets into the whole "how many people screwed up" aspect of these things. If they see the name George A. Romero above the movie title and they think back to his last movie, such as Day, and remember that they hated it, then they are not likely to see the new one. I'm only saying that there seem to be all these fans of Land who defend it to the death ONLY because it's a Romero film. Whenever someone speaks well of the movie it's "Romero this and, Romero that", not "Producer this and, greenlit guy that." When someone loves the movie, then Romero's a genius, but when someone dislikes the movie, then the producers screwed it up. Well you can't have things both ways.

[Kemper]

Most of the people on here read the script...he made that movie. I liked it alot.

The movie should have been a suprise to no one.

[corgi37]

He filmed about 90% of what he wanted. Cant argue with that. If anyone didnt like it, bad luck, but Romero pretty much got what he wanted.

Day is ok, but not a patch on what it should have been.

[zombiekilling101]

you are you speaking for besides yourself jackskellington. Most people that just like movies for movies (the public) dont hold directors resonsible at all.. when I ask someone "hey howd you like saw?" they dont say.. I loved it and the director is the man, noir do they saw that I hate it and the director is an assclown" your just going on and on about GAR becasue you were dissapointed.. and are pissed that you dont like it as much as alot of others do.... let it go... let... it go:) :) nobodies making excuses for GAR, just becasue he made a dissapointing movie for you.. doesnt mean hes a bad director.. you liked DAWN 78 didnt you....

[jackskellington]

you are you speaking for besides yourself jackskellington. Most people that just like movies for movies (the public) dont hold directors resonsible at all.. when I ask someone "hey howd you like saw?" they dont say.. I loved it and the director is the man, noir do they saw that I hate it and the director is an assclown" your just going on and on about GAR becasue you were dissapointed.. and are pissed that you dont like it as much as alot of others do.... let it go... let... it go:) :) nobodies making excuses for GAR, just becasue he made a dissapointing movie for you.. doesnt mean hes a bad director.. you liked DAWN 78 didnt you....

Of course I liked Dawn 78, and I'm not saying that Romero is a bad director. I'm ONLY pointing out the fact that the people who liked Land keep giving sole credit to Romero, but then whenever someone says something negative about the movie, all of a sudden those same fans place all the blame on the studio and producers. So basically my understanding is that if you thought the movie was good, then Romero is solely responsible and he did it exactly the way he wanted it. But if you thought the movie was bad, then Romero was only a puppet used by the evil studio executives to make a movie that wasn't at all what he had envisioned. That seems kinda double sided to me.

[zombiekilling101]

Of course I liked Dawn 78, and I'm not saying that Romero is a bad director. I'm ONLY pointing out the fact that the people who liked Land keep giving sole credit to Romero, but then whenever someone says something negative about the movie, all of a sudden those same fans place all the blame on the studio and producers. So basically my understanding is that if you thought the movie was good, then Romero is solely responsible and he did it exactly the way he wanted it. But if you thought the movie was bad, then Romero was only a puppet used by the evil studio executives to make a movie that wasn't at all what he had envisioned. That seems kinda double sided to me.

You do have a point.. but by you not liking the movie.. are you blaming it on Romero or the fact that of the Producers and executives ect.?

[preacher]

This is c&p from the web

"The reason why it's the producer who goes up to the podium to collect the Best Picture Oscar and not the director is because it's the producer who really authors a film. The producer raises the money that pays for the film to be made, and is responsible for anything affecting the budget of the film. The producer hires the director and the crew, manages the film through production and secures distribution for it when it is finished. In short, most of the time, it's the producer who does the work to make a film happen."

The reason why lay people tend to say good movies are the result of the director and bad movies are the result of the producers, is because when its a good film we tend to credit the directors vision that was on display in the film. His ideas on how he wanted to bring the screenplay to life, it was he who directed the actors to act in a certain way or positioned the cameras in a certain way etc etc. But we have to remember that this vision was only made possible by the producers.

When a movies bad there can be a whole number of reasons, incompetent director, studio interfering, problems on set etc etc. But all of these are the result of a crap producer. (for example if the directors crap they should fire him, as they sometimes do, or if the studios getting in the way then they should manage that situation)

If the producers suck and dont help the director at all and dont do their job in "making the film happen" and managing the production of the film then you can see how it can adversly affect a films performance.

i think because GAR also wrote the screenplay we can safely assume that most faults with the film can be laid at his door.

for me personally i thought the film was competently directed, it was just the ideas and screenplay that were poorly executed

[jackskellington]

You do have a point.. but by you not liking the movie.. are you blaming it on Romero or the fact that of the Producers and executives ect.?

I may catch a bunch of crap for this, but I blame Romero. I still respect him as a director, but Land just didn't "do it" for me and I only see his name at the top of the title. If he does make another one, then yes, I will definitely see it in the hopes that it will be COMPLETELY different from this one. But if the zombies have "evolved" even more in the next installment, then I may wait on DVD for it.

[corgi37]

Can you frigging believe my dvd hasnt come from America yet??????

And one thing i just realised. What happened to the Frumkes doco? I thought for sure it would be on the dvd, but i only just now realised it isnt.

Wonder why?

[corgi37]

It came! It came! Bloody unreal! Gotta go drink buckets of beer before i can watch it. My kids have to sleep first. Saw a few of the deleted scenes. Man, nothing there, is there? But, like the teen zombie kissing the guy and ripping his lips off.

What a way to go!

[Zen Buddakhan]

It came! It came! Bloody unreal! Gotta go drink buckets of beer before i can watch it. My kids have to sleep first. Saw a few of the deleted scenes. Man, nothing there, is there? But, like the teen zombie kissing the guy and ripping his lips off.

What a way to go!

Ummm...just a little heads up please, for a fellow down under under, (NZ).
Who did you use to online order your purchase, and how was the service and quality?

Thanks Zen :)

[jackskellington]

Looks like these 2 additional sequels everyone keeps mentioning may be straight to video entries. 'But how could this be? Land did so well!' (Sarcasm :lol: )

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=5167&Template=newsfull

[zombiekilling101]

Looks like these 2 additional sequels everyone keeps mentioning may be straight to video entries. 'But how could this be? Land did so well!' (Sarcasm :lol: )

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=5167&Template=newsfull

caugh ass caugh............:roll:

happy you got the dvd corgi

[Steve P]

Looks like these 2 additional sequels everyone keeps mentioning may be straight to video entries. 'But how could this be? Land did so well!' (Sarcasm :lol: )

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/index.php?Show=5167&Template=newsfull

This looks like a reference to 'Diamond Dead' rather than another entry in the dead series proper.

[SkullOrchard]

I would love to see Romero return to grassroots film-making. Direct-to-DVD is the way to go, as far as I'm concerned. Romero films work better with a smaller budget, LotD was too polished for my taste. I prefer organic special F/X...get Savini and his crew back with the rubber appliances, smelly hog entrails, and gallons of fake blood. Use amateur/regional actors, and film everything, in and around the Pittsburg area...and for heaven's sake, encourage all the actors to shout their lines as they did in Day of the Dead and The Crazies. I'm Dead serious.

[goesaround]

I agree Skullorchard.Forget half Hollywood Toronto. Return to Pittsburg and have the acting in Day of the Dead! People say the acting was 'bad'.Wrong! You hated Rhodes and you loved Sarah, the Jamaican and the Irish! Does anyone think Barbara from Night 90 would be on Rileys raiding team. I mean she was a survivor and the logic is she would have made her way to Union town where her shooting skill would be appreciated. Agree?

[preacher]

Sod the straight to dvd sequels, give us a hardcore HBO mini series.

Like Band of Brothers but with zombies.

He could take us back to the initial outbreak in episode one and over the course of the season he could show the fall of civilization and the rebuilding process of the survivors.

this would also be a great opportunity to fill in the gaps left inbetween movies.

GARs no Joss Whedon and he doesnt do "comedy" or bring the funny but hopefully assistant writers could be brought in to help with his weak areas

[Zen Buddakhan]

Sod the straight to dvd sequels, give us a hardcore HBO mini series.

Like Band of Brothers but with zombies.

He could take us back to the initial outbreak in episode one and over the course of the season he could show the fall of civilization and the rebuilding process of the survivors.

this would also be a great opportunity to fill in the gaps left inbetween movies.

GARs no Joss Whedon and he doesnt do "comedy" or bring the funny but hopefully assistant writers could be brought in to help with his weak areas

Exellent Idea :clap:
I'll pay to watch that, and buy the dvd!

[corgi37]

zen - dvdpacific is who i buy my import U.S. stuff from. Cost me $35 Aussie for dvd and postage. mate, thats what i would pay in the discount shops here in Melbourne! Took a bit longer than usual - 15 days. usually takes 7-10. I got dawn78 boxed set from there. Zombi2 - 28 days later. hair. Catch 22, terminator 2. gimme shelter. great people with great on line help. I actually ordered LAND twice by mistake, and it was fixed up in 2 hours!!!

I got Dawn boxed set Fed Exed to Aussie land, plus the cost of the dvd's, for about $70au. It sold here (import only mind you! Its never released here!!) for over $135.00!!

So, yeah, man, go with them. Oh, hey, bought classic 80's flick "Short Circuit" for the kids for $5.00!!

[Zen Buddakhan]

Thanks corgi! I'll check it out, especially after some of the zombie flicks the members (Americans) on ATZ always talk about!
~Cheers :)

[corgi37]

Cant recall if i mentioned this, or just imagined that i posted it, but i wonder why the new Frumkes doco wasnt included on the dvd?

[Dearth]

Saw a few of the deleted scenes. Man, nothing there, is there? But, like the teen zombie kissing the guy and ripping his lips off.

What a way to go!

Yep good scene but generally the 'deleted' stuff is so so.

On the whole though, I have to say I'm impressed with all the extras...

Instead of the usual DVD overlong cr*p with actors slapping one another on the back and grinning like idiots, these are worth seeing... short in length (10 mins. or less mainly) they're worth a look...

Undead Again: The Making of Land of the Dead - Nice short doc. that tells you enough without going overboard.

A Day with the Living Dead - decent little feature presented by John Leguizamo.

Bringing the Dead to Life - nice to see a decent effects piece - wow! They certainly went to a LOT of trouble.

The Remaining Bits - the 'deleted' stuff - no intros. Some of the 'zombie' scenes are good, but rest is pretty unremarkable.

When Shaun Met George - Shaun of the Dead guys as Zombies? Pretty decent little feature and quite funny.

Scenes of Carnage - classical music and ghouls feasting - what more could you want?

Zombie Effects: From Green Screen to Finished Scene - yep... pretty good how it's done, but not really all that interesting after the first few clips.

Bringing the Storyboards to Life - storyborad comparisons... and well drawn storyboards at that - worth a look.

Scream Tests: Zombie Casting Call - Zombie choreography - very good!

:)

N.

[corgi37]

Scream tests very good?

[Dearth]

Scream tests very good?

I reckon so... I know it's basic CGI of 'Zombie Choreography' as they dance to music (kind of thing done in the Gorillaz 'Clint Eastwood' music vid. where the apes do a Michael Jackson 'Thriller' routine) but I like stuff like that.

Maybe I'm easily pleased?

:lol:

N.

[goesaround]

Cant recall if I mentioned this, or just imagined that I posted it, but i wonder why the new Frumkes doco wasnt included on the dvd?
If history is a good teacher then we can surmise it is because next Christmas a collectors 'Land of The Dead' will come out with the 'doco' on it and more stuff,hopefully more deleted scenes and alternative endings I'm guessing.

[corgi37]

Hope so. I'll buy it.

[corgi37]

But, i dont know about alternate ending. That seemed to be the intended ending all along.

[Dearth]

The alternative ending?

That's where Big Daddy clicks the heels of his ruby red slippers together and realises that he never left Kansas after all - it was all a dream... he was never a zombie.

He says "There's no place like... Grrraaaargh!"

And then viciously attacks Aunt Em!

:lol:

N.

[Zombie Survivor]

I can't wait for the release of LotD in the Netherlands!

[corgi37]

I got my copy from my usual U.S. place, Dvdpacific. It's their number 1 seller! Cool eh? LOTD gets released in Oz on Dec 11. But, as we all know, i've already got it!

There was a review one of our daily papers yesterday for LOTD. The reviewer said it was listless. And, that the sets were very bad.

How can real locations be crappy sets?

THough, i agree with the reviewer if you watch the deleted scenes. THe scene where the zombie teen bites the guys lip off. That looks like a set from Sesame Street! hahahaha.

[MonsterHunter]

I finally got the see this movie and I absolutely loved it. I thought I was going to be disappointed, but it delivered the goods. It was also a hell of a lot gorier then I expected to be.All those gut munching scenes where awesome!

[Divided Soul]

I definately think it was meant for the fans of Romero rather than trying to bring in a whole new audience..... Maybe I'm biased but I thought it rocked!

[OriAvP]

i´ve waited for this movie for so long, and when it finally get released here in argentina, i was right there in the first show (i dont know the exact word). Well...i must say i´m dissapointed, the movie didnt fill my expectations, and they were low. I hate, reallly hate big daddy. It´s ok to have thinking zombie, but come on!!! george, baby steps man!! you go waaay out of line with the thinking, too much thinking. Thats the real low point in the movie. The rest was cool. And that cut scene of cholo and the hung man, was great!!!
Ori

[Pain]

I had a search and thought I would bump this back to the top in an attempt to stem the increasing flow of more Land threads

[Book]

That is very kind of you Pain, but it still doesn't answer my hot dog question!

[Pain]

Hot Dog's? Did I miss something?:scare:

[Book]

Oh we ended the thread you just closed with comments about hot dogs and I asked what does everyone like on theirs. But I guess it doesn't matter now. For the record, I like mine dragged through the garden, no ketsup.

[Pain]

I see, me too, but with mustard.

Anyhoo, I actually really liked Land, flaws and all:)

[The Blind Dead]

I like my hotdog smothered in onions and mustard. CHICAGEE STYLE BABYBEE!

[Crombie]

Onions, mustard and sauerkraut, toasted or plain bun (none of this steamed crap), and the hot dog must suffer at least several 3rd degree burns on it for crispy factor.

I am actually going to watch Land of the Dead here (http://www.hihostels.ca/hostels/Ontario/OntarioEast/OttawaInternationalHostel/Hostels/index.html) when I am on vacation this weekend. The wife get's to bring the DVD equipped laptop, and one of those LCD projectors. Should be sweet because I happen to like LotD. :lol:

[Bad Zombie Night]

Foot long with ketchup, accompanied by a cold 16 oz. beer at Yankee Stadium while kickin' back, and taking in a ball game... Trust me... It doesn't get any better than that! ;-)


Even with its many flaws... Land is still better than about +90% of the Zombie films ever made... I personally do like the direction GAR is taking the franchise... In the Bizzaro world of Land of the Dead, the Zombies have not only become stronger, but they are now smarter also, while the hapless humans have devolved to the point where they have become weaker, and dumber... I mean WTF? If you happen to be a human, what's the point of going on living? Seems like a universe with little hope on the horizon to me. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley.gif

[eardrumbuz]

I see, me too, but with mustard.

Anyhoo, I actually really liked Land, flaws and all:)

Ya know, I don't know if anyone has put it quite like that yet, but that is beautiful... I liked it too, flaws and all :)


oh yeah, and only thing I'll eat on a hot dog bun, besides a Lobster Roll, are Not Dogs (nice 'n spicy) and Yves Tofu Pups. Mustard is good.

[corgi37]

This aint the right place for this, but what the hell. I just went onto Romero's new site which hasnt been updated for awhile. I saw he was going to attend "Monster Mania" from 21-26 May. Questions are: Did he attend? Did anyone go? Does anyone know if a interview was given? Maybe with a update on his next project and perhaps word if a sequel to Land is indeed still going to happen?

[Pain]

This aint the right place for this, but what the hell. I just went onto Romero's new site which hasnt been updated for awhile. I saw he was going to attend "Monster Mania" from 21-26 May. Questions are: Did he attend? Did anyone go? Does anyone know if a interview was given? Maybe with a update on his next project and perhaps word if a sequel to Land is indeed still going to happen?

Here is an article on the event. Apparently he did attend. I only quickly flicked through it, and it didn't appear to give much away.

http://www.iconsoffright.com/MM_MAY_2006.htm

[corgi37]

Just found out via IMDB that LAND won "Best horror film" at the 4th annual "Spacey" awards (in Canada).

Dario Argento presented him with the award and apparently gave a long, loving speech.

Now, why does an Aussie have to tell you guys all this?

Cant find a real good link, and nothing with footage.

[Pain]

Just found out via IMDB that LAND won "Best horror film" at the 4th annual "Spacey" awards (in Canada).

Dario Argento presented him with the award and apparently gave a long, loving speech.

Now, why does an Aussie have to tell you guys all this?

Cant find a real good link, and nothing with footage.

Thanks for that Corgi37:)

George should be thanking Dario as well:evil:

[zombiekilling101]

man I have 215 posts in this thread. You know why? Casue Land of the Dead kicks ass.

[STONED STONER]

Hey corgi

werent you on that show "life goes on" heheh

na ,did you see that chump who played riley on rove live?
even he said Land sucked

romero should have not even botherd pulling his finger out of his bum
i

[diseasedundeaddiscodonkey]

George Romero is a great film maker and has made some of my all time favourite films but i found myself coming out of the cinema disappointed with Land of the Dead. Did the "zombie growing intelligent" thing do it for you? I found it irritating. Im not sure why but it ruined it for me.

[Zombie Survivor]

There are I don't know how many threads about LotD and about the complaints you named. I thought the movie was great. People shouldn't be so hyped about movies, it will always be diferent than they invisioned. Please let this matter rest in peace... please...

[diseasedundeaddiscodonkey]

Hahahaha im not hyped mate just making conversation, just wondered what other people thought thats all. Glad you thought the movie was great, i didnt. If your not interested in the thread dont reply....please.

[zombiekilling101]

George Romero is a great film maker and has made some of my all time favourite films but i found myself coming out of the cinema disappointed with Land of the Dead. Did the "zombie growing intelligent" thing do it for you? I found it irritating. Im not sure why but it ruined it for me.

thats one thing that bugs me about fans not liking the film.. is the fact that they didnt like the "zombie growing Intelligence".. its nothing new and was shown in the first one back in 68.

[diseasedundeaddiscodonkey]

Thats true but it wasnt such an integral part of the plot, in Land of the Dead it is much for pronouced. What i dont like is that it humanizes the zombies, so in a way it changes from a terrifying zombie film into something else. Instead of land of the dead its more like land of the slightly retarded!

[chickenchop1]

Liked Land the first time I saw it in theaters, and it seems to be getting better with repeat viewings on DVD. Still have to get used to Big Daddy's yelling.:x Sick zombie gore.:clap:

From the look of it, Land 2's definitely is on hold for awhile...

[corgi37]

Actually watched LAND dvd again last night. What i hate about Big Daddy is more than made up for by Number 9.

And who could ever whine about the incredible gore?

Plus an Aussie in the lead.

[UNDEAD FRED]

What I dont get about the directors cut version of LOTD, and Dotd 04, is why dont they add another extra 15-30 minutes more of zombies heads being blow off, and zombies eating the living. theres got to be a lot a good stuff that was filmed, and is still sitting somewhere gathering dust, alternate ending, like blowing Big Daddys weak roaring head of his shoulder.

[ZombieJohn]

What I dont get about the directors cut version of LOTD, and Dotd 04, is why dont they add another extra 15-30 minutes more of zombies heads being blow off, and zombies eating the living. theres got to be a lot a good stuff that was filmed, and is still sitting somewhere gathering dust, alternate ending, like blowing Big Daddys weak roaring head of his shoulder.

I liked Dawn 04 because IT DIDN'T rely on gore too much, even though it had some sick gore:evil: Then again UNLIKE Land, it didn't have a cheesy stupid story line. Thats just my opinion.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Now that Im in the OFFICIAL LAND OF THE DEAD THREAD, all you LOTD haters bring it on!!! :machgun2: :shotg: :guns:

[Book]

Now that I'm in the OFFICIAL LAND OF THE DEAD THREAD, all you LOTD haters bring it on!!! :machgun2: :shotg: :guns:

Why I did NOT like Land of the Dead

By Book
Age 30


1) Uniform zombies are lame. No one dresses like Santa, a clown, or a cheerleader when fleeing from some danger. The dead rising wasn't happening so fast that it took everyone by surprise during a wedding or football practice. One or two of them I could understand and it was pretty funny in DotD78, but it was getting tired in DayoftD and just flat out unrealistic in LotD. The only reason why they are doing the uniform zombies is because they made all the zombies too much alike and they were under the impression that we couldn't tell the difference between the blond girl that was walking with Big Daddy. And they were right. The make up was pretty banal.

2)Zombies that cry. Wtf? I repeat myself: What The F@ck!? This isn't effing "Walk of the Penguins". No ONE would be afraid of these zombies. They cry? What's next? They sing? They laugh? They text message "aaarrrgghh" to each other? I can handle a suspension of reality in any venue (hence why I like zombie movies) but for piss sakes lets not get stupid with it.

3)The acting and "exposition". New Land of the Dead drinking game everyone: Take a drink every time someone looks all faraway and starts telling their background story. Better than that, take a drink every time Simon Baker's character makes some mincing little comment to demonstrate he is "above it" and he is out to make survival "human". Please, I can't see this guy Riley surviving a trip to Dairy Mart to pick up a pack of cigarettes much less a zombie outbreak. Which leads us right to...

4) Cholo the Super Mexican! Someone said that Romero was Hispanic, though I was always under the impression he was Italian, either way if I was Hispanic I would find his two-dimensional characters offensive at best. I don't think I can take sitting through another "Hey mank! You don' mess wit' (insert ultra Hispanic name here) cause I veel cut yooo and fook yooor woman!". Lack of Lord knows I am as far from PC as you can get, so for me to think his treatment of Hispanics is borderline racist, then you know it must be bad!

5) Cartoonish stabs at some Political allegory. "Superman IV: The Quest for Peace" had a more provocative political/social message than this crap hound. Ooooh...Koopa-err I mean Kaufman is sitting up in his ivory tower and looking down on the street people! He is a SUCH a comparison to Bush, Kerry, Saddam, Blair, Thatcher, Regan, The Lone Ranger, ect. I know Romero, we get it. You don't like the current administration/materialism/or class distinction. You and just about EVERY ONE ELSE IN HOLLYWOOD.
When Night and Dawn came out, yeah he was not only making something really different, but the messages he was putting out there weren't really common in films at the time. You weren't seeing a ton of movies that put a microscope onto race/gender rolls or scathing criticism of consumer binging. But the problem is, is that he pretty much stopped there. I LOVE it when a movie, book, ect forces me to answer hard questions. I am, for the most part, conservative and movies like "V for Vendetta" make me squirm a bit in my seat. If anything, watching Land of the Dead made me think "Oh Hell with them, kill as many people you have to just to keep your one-sided society alive." But that just might be because I really hated Riley.

6) Riley.

7)The gore was mostly crap. The "splitting hand" effect looked exactly like someone pulled a fake hand apart. As were the closeups of the zombie bites, ect. I also have a massive hate for CGI blood. It seems that everyone is doing this and you know what it looks like? Like someone added cartoon blood later on. Some of the zombies were pretty cool, like the ones in the beginning at that bandstand, but to me they just looked like the survivors of a football riot.

8)Big Daddy= JarJar Binks.

9)The fans. Guess what really made this movie suck? You guys. I'm not talking about the "Well I liked it." camp. I'm talking about the "If you don't like this movie then you are not a zombie fan!" Jihadist camp. We are talking about George Romero here, not Tinkerbell. He isn't going to die if we don't believe in him. He started a great genre and he made some great movies in the past. I have honesty not liked anything he has done within the last twenty years and I doubt he gives a shit. So neither should you.

[BRAAAAAAINNNNNS]

wow
I also disliked this movie. The only thing going for it was that it was made by Romero and it was a zombie film. I'm sure it's going to be a 10/10 compared to the new Day of the dead.

I'm just patiently awaiting World war Z

[B00Ne]

8)Big Daddy= JarJar Binks.

I rofl'd.

I would have been willing to overlook:
- the bad acting
- the completely shit story, on par with a Fast and the Furious flick
- the lack of any real feeling of solitude (like in all the other GAR flicks)
- the blatant socio-political bullshit that GAR doesn't realize no-one cares about
- seriously, who in their right ****ing mind gives John Lequizamo a job anymore?

If only Asia Argento had gotten buck naked and done a pole dance. That's all I ask, and GAR would've been forgiven in my books for making one of the most inept flicks I've seen in ages.

[Book]

If only Asia Argento had gotten buck naked and done a pole dance. That's all I ask, and GAR would've been forgiven in my books for making one of the most inept flicks I've seen in ages.

This would be totally acceptable if:

A) She only does the pole dance whenever Riley or anyone else goes off on a "this is why my life sucks" monologue.

B) They played "The Ghostbusters" theme song while she did said pole dance.

[B00Ne]

B) They played "The Ghostbusters" theme song while she did said pole dance.

That would be hella hot.

[chewy]

We are talking about George Romero here, not Tinkerbell.

I don't care for Tinkerbell, either.

On the whole, I thought LOTD was an okay movie. Not great, but not bad. There were lots of little things in it that bothered me a bit, but not to the point of hating the film. The biggest problem I had was the blatant political commentary that was shoehorned into that flick. To me, horror films are escapist cinema. I don't go to them so that I can have my belief system challenged. I go to them for the adrenaline rush and to satiate my dark sense of humor since movies like Harold & Maude are no longer made. If I want to see political commentary, there are at least four 24-hour channels on my TV that are chock full of it. If I'm interested in a entertainer's political views, I'll read their blog. Other than that, they need to shut up and do what I pay them to do: entertain me.[/soapbox][/rant]

I'm willing to overlook the thinking zombie bit. I worked with enough brain-damaged patients to know that they can do some mighty odd stuff. Big Daddy euthanizing one of his bretheren seemed over the top. If Riley was suffering from such a grossly overdeveloped sense of humanity, why was he going to leave everybody behind and just take off for Canada with Charlie? So many little things...

[jackskellington]

Big Daddy= JarJar Binks

Hilarious!! Please don't forget the way Big Daddy would ruin the scene every couple of minutes by looking towards the Heavens and screaming in anger!! Weak.

[gingiemon]

alas the god and creator of zombie goes the way of his creations to hell or perhaps there is a new life for the dead a new direction look to max brooks and a new writer me.

[gingiemon]

did I say me.
It is funny us writers feel our way and sometimes feel so put out because our fans debase us and put down our writing and at the end of the day they almost give us our ideas our goals.
Then again bitterness and spite blocks the way.
I cannot say one iotta of an idea comes from my readers.
Perhaps that is why you are the reader and I have the money

[chewy]

I cannot say one iotta of an idea comes from my readers.
Perhaps that is why you are the reader and I have the money

If your writing even loosely resembles your postings here, anyone who pays you for your work is a smacktard.

[Pain]

Haha, that did make me chuckle:lol:

On the subject of Land of the Dead though, I did enjoy it, and still do. It may not come close to his other Dead movies, but I enjoyed it for what it was, and that is just a fun movie.

[B00Ne]

If your writing even loosely resembles your postings here, anyone who pays you for your work is a smacktard.

<----- 10 points chewy.

[Book]

did I say me.
It is funny us writers feel our way and sometimes feel so put out because our fans debase us and put down our writing and at the end of the day they almost give us our ideas our goals.
Then again bitterness and spite blocks the way.
I cannot say one iotta of an idea comes from my readers.
Perhaps that is why you are the reader and I have the money

Unless poorly worded Haiku is really big in Japan, I just don't see you with "the money".

[Book]

Haha, that did make me chuckle:lol:

On the subject of Land of the Dead though, I did enjoy it, and still do. It may not come close to his other Dead movies, but I enjoyed it for what it was, and that is just a fun movie.

Thank You, Pain. You liked the movie and that is just fine with me. I know everyone has a reason why they like/dislike something that is totally out of my sphere of understanding.
That said, I will make the same statement that I did before Land of the Dead came out: History tells me that I do not like GAR movies anymore, but I did grow up with him and I will go see Diary of the Dead. Or whatever else hairball he coughs up for me. I'm critical and insensitive, but I never said I wasn't loyal.

[chewy]

Haha, that did make me chuckle:lol:

Thank you...

<----- 10 points chewy.

...and thank you. You can catch my nightly shows at 7 and 9 in the Cabana Room.:)

[UNDEAD FRED]

If your writing even loosely resembles your postings here, anyone who pays you for your work is a smacktard.

Come on Chewy, give him a break, I think hes the one who wrote the screen play for Day of the Dead 2: Contagium.

[lizardman464]

Come on Chewy, give him a break, I think hes the one who wrote the screen play for Day of the Dead 2: Contagium.

That's harsh.


I liked the movie, didn't like the political commentary, good action, bad acting.

I can't see people hating it so much as many seem to, I mean it's not even close to horrible.

[UNDEAD FRED]

That's harsh.


I liked the movie, didn't like the political commentary, good action, bad acting.

I can't see people hating it so much as many seem to, I mean it's not even close to horrible.

Thats my point, Zombie movies will never win any oscars (Theres no justice in this world) I dont see political commentary in land. I see Kauffman as a power/money hungry A-hole. Whats your boss at work like. If I buy a dvd, or go to a movie and its not that good, no big deal, I spend my money on a lot of stupid shit anyway.

[MrShape666]

Well, I enjoyed Land quite a bit. It had a few problems, one of which was that the ending could have been punched up a little bit and Kaufman's death just wasn't as satisfying as it could have been. And as I've said numerous times before, Eugene Clark's performance as Big Daddy just wasn't up to the standard set by Howard Sherman's Bub (Jennifer Baxter's Number Nine was, however, too bad she didn't get a lot of screentime). But I saw the movie several times and I enjoy it.

[vortec1]

The problem i had with it was the whole smart zombie concept. i like the old rip'em up way's, it really could have had a lot more potentual. but hey any chance for another ZED movie i welcome.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Well, I enjoyed Land quite a bit. It had a few problems, one of which was that the ending could have been punched up a little bit and Kaufman's death just wasn't as satisfying as it could have been. And as I've said numerous times before, Eugene Clark's performance as Big Daddy just wasn't up to the standard set by Howard Sherman's Bub (Jennifer Baxter's Number Nine was, however, too bad she didn't get a lot of screentime). But I saw the movie several times and I enjoy it.

Thats very true about Kauffmans death. I would of liked to see him go the way of Cpt Rhoads in Day of the Dead. Big Daddy weak roaring, zombies can run, they can jump, but zombies should never roar. It would of been great if Big Daddy had his head blown off in the end, like what happen to Andy in DOTD 04.

[vortec1]

Thats very true about Kauffmans death. I would of liked to see him go the way of Cpt Rhoads in Day of the Dead. Big Daddy weak roaring, zombies can run, they can jump, but zombies should never roar. It would of been great if Big Daddy had his head blown off in the end, like what happen to Andy in DOTD 04.

I totaly agree much more could have come from this movie.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Heres a thought, If Big Daddy where white like Bub, would everybody still hate his weak roaring ass? Bub was smart, could shoot a gun, and salute. Is it a racial thing with Big Daddy?:think:

[Lefty44709]

Heres a thought, If Big Daddy where white like Bub, would everybody still hate his weak roaring ass? Bub was smart, could shoot a gun, and salute. Is it a racial thing with Big Daddy?:think:

i really don't think so... in my opinion the screaming zombie bit was just ill conceived. It was rushed and there was no explanation given for it. Plus the performance itself was very weak. It was laughable at best.

Then again so was the whole move in my opinion... obviously not a big fan here... but race had nothing to do with it. Keep in mind that most people love Romero because he gave a black person the lead in Night of the Living Dead, so it's kind of hard to imagine that now these same people are racist...

[Lefty44709]

Also... a lot was done to make Bub a sympathetic character in Day of the Dead... That wasn't done with Land of the Dead. He just started crying 5 minutes into the movie.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I thought Big Daddy was consipated, thats why he roared like a big p***y. :lol:

[Book]

Heres a thought, If Big Daddy where white like Bub, would everybody still hate his weak roaring ass? Bub was smart, could shoot a gun, and salute. Is it a racial thing with Big Daddy?:think:

You've said a lot of stupid things before, but this has to be the cherry on top of it. I suggest you go back and edit that with a j/k face or something. Are you seriously pulling the race card and saying that people who don't like Big Daddy must be racist? How about no one liked Big Daddy because he was lame?
Did you lose your job or something recently? Because all you seem to do is haunt this board and post dumb shit all day long.

[UNDEAD FRED]

You've said a lot of stupid things before, but this has to be the cherry on top of it. I suggest you go back and edit that with a j/k face or something. Are you seriously pulling the race card and saying that people who don't like Big Daddy must be racist? How about no one liked Big Daddy because he was lame?
Did you lose your job or something recently? Because all you seem to do is haunt this board and post dumb shit all day long.

There you go again BLAH,BLAH,BLAH if you dont like Land of the dead go to another thread, quit acting like a little baby. or did the truth hurt last time that you are some mental blow hard. stick to the thread, like the moderatorrs said. quit using personal attacks to justify your useless life. take your medication, thats what the doctor gave it to you for.

[B00Ne]

Heres a thought, If Big Daddy where white like Bub, would everybody still hate his weak roaring ass? Bub was smart, could shoot a gun, and salute. Is it a racial thing with Big Daddy?:think:

Wow.

Anyone want to use the Chewbacca defense?

[babbyc1000]

i just want to say i though land of the dead was lame, not at all what i expected. fair enough its better then alot of zombie films ive bought, some of the dodgy 70's ones, but at the same time it fell way short of my hopes. smart zombies?? nope. big daddy?? the best thing about zombie films is that there are no real tough bosses in them, its the fact that there is millions of zombies standing in line to take the place of the one youve just shot that is scary. and as for this whole political conspiracy thing with kauffman? who cares?! i know GAR always tries to put something controversial like that in his work (black guy shot by redneck cops in NOLD, etc) but he went just a bit overboard for me this time.

my ideal zombie film is something like 28 days later, where you just have a few survivors and no one knows whats going on (i know theres the whole thing with the soldiers but thats nothing compared to kauffman). as well as that if anyone has seen dog soldiers i reckon that would be an excellent zombie film, with minor tweaking and zombies instead of werewolves, if you know what i mean.

[vortec1]

i just want to say i though land of the dead was lame, not at all what i expected. fair enough its better then alot of zombie films ive bought, some of the dodgy 70's ones, but at the same time it fell way short of my hopes. smart zombies?? nope. big daddy?? the best thing about zombie films is that there are no real tough bosses in them, its the fact that there is millions of zombies standing in line to take the place of the one youve just shot that is scary. and as for this whole political conspiracy thing with kauffman? who cares?! i know GAR always tries to put something controversial like that in his work (black guy shot by redneck cops in NOLD, etc) but he went just a bit overboard for me this time.

my ideal zombie film is something like 28 days later, where you just have a few survivors and no one knows whats going on (i know theres the whole thing with the soldiers but thats nothing compared to kauffman). as well as that if anyone has seen dog soldiers i reckon that would be an excellent zombie film, with minor tweaking and zombies instead of werewolves, if you know what i mean.

Ya, i thought 28 days later was good in the beginning but once they got with the solidiers it kinda went to hell.

[babbyc1000]

yeah it was a bit shit, it wudve been better if theyd tried some sort of breakout or something, instead of turning out to be psychos. oh well...

[vortec1]

yeah it was a bit shit, it wudve been better if theyd tried some sort of breakout or something, instead of turning out to be psychos. oh well...

That plot sounds a whole lot better me.

[MrShape666]

I saw the movie six times in the theaters. Mainly since I wanted to support it, given it's underhanded treatment by Universal. I saw it once a week while it was out (it ran five weeks around here) and then I saw Fangoria's one night only screening of the uncut version.

[vortec1]

I saw the movie six times in the theaters. Mainly since I wanted to support it, given it's underhanded treatment by Universal. I saw it once a week while it was out (it ran five weeks around here) and then I saw Fangoria's one night only screening of the uncut version.

So what did you think good/bad?

[Book]

There you go again BLAH,BLAH,BLAH if you dont like Land of the dead go to another thread, quit acting like a little baby. or did the truth hurt last time that you are some mental blow hard. stick to the thread, like the moderatorrs said. quit using personal attacks to justify your useless life. take your medication, thats what the doctor gave it to you for.

If you don't like it get off the internet. You are WAY too sensitive to be here. You see EVERYTHING that is counter to your opinion as a personal attack. You hit too close? To what? What did you say that really pissed me or affected me in anyway? Pointing out that you are very stupid because you think people are racist for not liking Big Daddy is not a reaction on my part, just common sense.
Are you getting money taken out of your bank account evertime I kill a sacred cow? Why would you take anything on this board personally, much less a crappy movie? And you accuse me of needing meds? For what? So I don't "pick on you" anymore? Awwww...poor baby. Doesn't like it when the big bad girl on the internet makes fun of Bid Daddy!
If you want personal try this: Don't you have kids? Why are you on here so much? Don't you have a job to support them?

Now THAT was personal. Talking about a movie I didn't like and why is NOT personal. Now it should be easier for you in the future. Moving forward, because I like Pain and Bad Zombie Night, I have put you to rest. You can either talk to me about it in PM or you can shut up and stick only to the topic.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah, whatever, The wicked witch from the north has spoken. like the thing in the toilet bowl that wont flush.pretty low bringing ones family into it. lets just both avoid each other, unless we can be civil. nothing bothers me, its fun to argue, but this is getting childess. By the way, Im set for life, I dont need to work, only when Im bored.

[Pain]

Yes, it is childish, and i'm getting bored of repeating myself.

[zombiekilling101]

I like Land. But over time it has now dropped to my least favorite of the series. The reason becasue of some funny lines and full auto weapon love.

"this gun shoots 14 rounds per second.
I dont normally need that many
I dont normaly talk to retards.
I can make a whole lot of fun out of you. (what?)

Like I said I still like it.. but its great to quote in a funny manner at work with Nirvroxx.

nirvroxx.
zombies man.. they freak me out :lol: :lol:

[Slas[-[er]

hi, plz don't read LOTD thread from like 140 to 200, wow, what an insufferable dolt i was lol

[zombiekilling101]

hi, plz don't read LOTD thread from like 140 to 200, wow, what an insufferable dolt i was lol


what?.........

[ZombieJohn]

what?.........

Thats what I am saying...

[Bad Zombie Night]

This thread is being shut down. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley2.gif




Please refer all your future LOTD comments to this one.

George Romero's Land of the Dead (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13455) :zom1: