Hastily formed militia. What role will you play?

[john154]

Z-Day plus 7. Between the National guard and the Police a greenzone has been established. You've got a safe staging area, maintenence shops, a mass feeding setup and refugee housing. What role will you play when the patrols go out to aquisition supplies and rescue more survivors?

[Darkness]

"First of all, a Technician isn't a medic in the military, but they have been known to double as a mechanic."

"So I ask, what about......."

Mechanic
Cook
Pilot
Medic
Taylor
Scout
Tank Expert


"........And think real long and hard, before you say they aren't necessary."

[Dave Of The Dead]

I would be a mix between a Technician, an Officer, and a Driver.
I have skills with machinery, electrician skills, and even medical.
I am a born leader with a tactical mind.
I have exceptional driving and directional skills.

Out of any one of those, I would most likely be an Officer.

[Jimmy]

I chose Ossifer but I would have chosen Scout if it was a choice. >_>

[DemonChild]

melee....Good at following orders, not barking them. Plus I'd prefer the violence that this job offers...more blood, more better. :evil:

[Iron Knuckles]

Ive narrowed it down, I'm either mêlée or a cook. Depends on what I think of the leadership. On the one hand I'm a pretty big guy with plenty of force on force experience. On the other if I think the command is b****** then your last words will mostly likely be "I don't wanna die ... Iron Knuckles is making Bourbon chicken and rice"

[bandits1]

I think I'd like the action of being a rifleman...but there's a fairly large chance I might quickly change my mind when I get jumped by my first dozen-or-so zombies. lol.

[john154]

"First of all, a Technician isn't a medic in the military, but they have been known to double as a mechanic."

"So I ask, what about......."

Mechanic
Cook
Pilot
Medic
Taylor
Scout
Tank Expert


"........And think real long and hard, before you say they aren't necessary."

Only had so many spaces in the poll. Good suggestions though. Don't think i'd ever put much thought into being a cook after the apocalypse but if there a crew out there already Burbon Chicken and Rice sounds pretty good.

By "Technician" I was trying to lump any sort of specific technically skilled people together. This would include electrical, mechanical, medical, pharmacudical practicioners ect. People who keep things and people going.

Picture this: Your objective is to rescue a group of survivors from a house that a previous recce had discovered and made contact with. You roll in fast with two 2.5 ton trucks pushing cars out of the way and shoulder level front fenders taking out anything on two legs. As soon as the trucks come to a halt a half dozen troops in the back of each light up the street with rifle fire. Melee guys get out first, kill anything in their faces while Rifleman and Marksman dismount, kill anything bad left alive and move to rescue the refugees in the house. Meanwhile you've got a cleared street and a Machine Gunner and/or Sniper in each truck, driver standing by at the wheel with a few troops on the road providing security. The troops would be in and out as fast as 8 men can get the survivors/supplies/whatever out and into the trucks.

All told this is a two truck, 2 driver, 2-4 MG/Sniper, 8 Melee/Rifleman/Marksman operation. These are big badass 6x6 trucks so they move quickly over adverse terrain and have plenty of space for passengers/cargo. Best thing yet is every cities local reserve unit has lots of these.

[JakAttak]

hey dave guess what I chose.

[Dave Of The Dead]

hey dave guess what I chose.

Hmmmm.... Couldn't be a sniper.... I give up :drool:

[Faran Brigo]

I picked truck driver, I can drive stick pretty well.

[Hitman]

I picked marksman , mostly because while I'm a good shot , I'm not good enough for the sniper role. I could also bring my own rifle for this role. I could handle the rifleman roll pretty well as 80% of what I practice on the range is CQB type stuff , weapons transitions, clearance drills , etc. mchine gunner would be fun but I sadly don't have one , yet.

[john154]

Marksman. Oi! Battle Rifles like the m-14 and FN FAL give you power, range,volume of fire and still allow you to be mobile and versatile. Heavy and difficult to master yes but very effective in trained hands and still standing the cruelest tests of time.

[JakAttak]

You got me dave-o. If I could find one (unlikely but a guy can dream can't he?) a French Mini-hectate .388 sniper rifle. If not a plain ole' .244 mag will do just fine.

[jagus12]

Melee!!!!!!

[JakAttak]

so you'll cover the guys behind you.

[stonyman65]

I would be a mix between a Rifleman and Marksman, I would use a standard M1 Carbine or a Rock River Arms CAR-15 A2. I would also be CQB too with my 1911.

I think the best word for me would be "scout" I can move fast, but I can also shoot really good. I wouldn't mind being sniper, but only as back up or maybe a short range sniper.

[bandits1]

I knew it. We have too many bosses and not enough workers.

[Faran Brigo]

Yeah that was predictable hahaha

I can work as a technician too. I think if something like that ever happens there won't be specialization anyway, there's going to be people doing whatever it is they're good at and some other stuff that needs to be done and doesn't take too much knowledge.

[JakAttak]

sorry but other than carpentry I don't have skills other than battle and survival.

[bandits1]

sorry but other than carpentry I don't have skills other than battle and survival.
You're in the military?

[john154]

Your talking about "Scouts" but their isn't such a role. In the USMC "Scout/Sniper" is one job. Thats they call their snipers and its a very accurate description as to what they do. In most armies scouts/recce/recon move around in light utility vehicals or light armoured vechicals and set up on a hillside to watch the enemy then take off before their noticed. When light infantry do recce its the same deal. Their are no scouts like back in the old west or fantasy movies. Thats why it wasnt included in the poll. You wanna chill out and observe the enemy your a Marksman or Sniper.

In the case of the zombacalypse the most likely way to recce/recon/scout would be the old school recce by force meaning you roll in, kill some bad guys and make a lot of noise to from where and how many come out than report back. Thats scouting against zombies.

[JakAttak]

You're in the military?

No but my dad (an ex-military sniper) taught and trained me to survive and shoot. and carpentry.

[Victor Clark]

I would probably try to be a driver, mostly because I'm not that good with a gun or mechanics.

[Kolapsky]

I'd be Militia,it's probably a suicide job but you wouldn't get bored as easily as say the driver..unless the driver wanted to go all GTA on the zombies and make some roadkill.

I personally would be Militia,give me a shotty and we can burst some heads. I'd imagine ammo would be tightly conserved though..might have to kill a fellow member for ammo :evil: the world is a sickening place isn't it?

[deadrising08]

Marksman. Oi! Battle Rifles like the m-14 and FN FAL give you power, range,volume of fire and still allow you to be mobile and versatile. Heavy and difficult to master yes but very effective in trained hands and still standing the cruelest tests of time.

Ye sure thing marksmen are the most imprtant of all:)

[JakAttak]

Don't discount other classes though. Infantry may win wars, but support classes keep them alive long enough to win it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Screw it, I'll switch to Technician since there are so many officers. Though I have more medical and electrical training than mechanical.

[Lian]

I put Rifleman but it's more likely that I would have either A. established the safe zone to begin with or B. I'm way they hell out of dodge setting up another green zone in a likely much more defensible location.

[JakAttak]

when did a sniper become an officer?

[cowboy99]

me i would want to be a machine gunner or a sniper because im pretty good with a scope but i would like all that fire power mowing down all the people on a street:evil:

[JakAttak]

but you are going for headshot unless you're fighting humans. maybe machine gunners will be good for urban areas with hostile survivors.

[Evil Pug]

Basic Rifleman is the backbone of any army!

[cowboy99]

true that but without a scout (sniper) things could be difficult in a large city and all u have to do is aim a little up with a machine gun to get head shots plus machine guns are probably best to HOLD a specific area or stop zeds from entering a long hall way

[JakAttak]

Exactly but with LMG unless you're fighting humans your kill to ammo ratio would be way off.

[cowboy99]

true but u have to admit that when a hord of zeds are on there way tword your house/shelter it wouldnt hert to have a machine gun to stop them am i right?

[Behemoth]

I voted technician, i have a cplh with over 900 hours, i have worked as an auto technician when i was younger, have re-wired houses, built cars & trailers from scratch & i like to keep involved with modern technology.

[JakAttak]

true but u have to admit that when a hord of zeds are on there way tword your house/shelter it wouldnt hert to have a machine gun to stop them am i right?

wouldn't hurt but a team of marksman or snipers would be much more efficient.

[cowboy99]

ok u got me on that 1 hey i was wondering how do u level up?

[Faran Brigo]

It might be easier to get 1 machinegunner and plenty of ammunition than a whole team of reliable marksmen/snipers with corresponding gear.

[JakAttak]

ok u got me on that 1 hey i was wondering how do u level up?
look at rank then at the number of posts on people it's a complex thing but you can figure it out.

and as for LMG have one in urban zones but pack lighter if you are traveling or in rural areas.

[cowboy99]

ok picture this situation u are at the middle of a culttisac(or how ever u spell it) and a hord of zeds are comming at u say the cultisac is maybe 4 or 5 houses deep would u rather have 3 or 4 good snipers or 1 good machine gunner with plenty of ammo?im ok with both i just wanted to see what u guys would say

[Dave Of The Dead]

ok picture this situation u are at the middle of a culttisac(or how ever u spell it) and a hord of zeds are comming at u say the cultisac is maybe 4 or 5 houses deep would u rather have 3 or 4 good snipers or 1 good machine gunner with plenty of ammo?im ok with both i just wanted to see what u guys would say

Well the a horde of zeds and limited ammo, you would be crazy to stay and fight. Sure pick off a few as you run off, but snipers or machine gunner would both die sooner or later trying to fend them all off.

[bandits1]

ok picture this situation u are at the middle of a culttisac(or how ever u spell it) and a hord of zeds are comming at u say the cultisac is maybe 4 or 5 houses deep would u rather have 3 or 4 good snipers or 1 good machine gunner with plenty of ammo?im ok with both i just wanted to see what u guys would say
If it were a few dozen zombies, I'd opt for the sharpshooters; but if it were a few hundred, I might opt for the machine gunner.

[cowboy99]

ok than say they number to about 150 and behind the house your in there is 1 of those big ditches for when it rains so u have pratically no chance of getting away

[Dave Of The Dead]

If I have no chance of getting away, then I would use snipers. If the machine gunner runs out of ammo, you're pretty much dead. Snipers use their ammo to the best of their ability while machine gunners just spray and pray.

[Onslaught]

tough to pick just one.

i suppose it would depend on what was most needed at the time.

i'd be best suited for :
melee
rifleman
technician (blacksmith, mechanic)

[john154]

If I have no chance of getting away, then I would use snipers. If the machine gunner runs out of ammo, you're pretty much dead. Snipers use their ammo to the best of their ability while machine gunners just spray and pray.

Spray and pray is for when your on a two way range or when your moving and shooting. A skilled machine gunner can accuratly place the first round in his burst and the following rounds will fall around the first in a "beaten zone" This way if your first round is a headshot the follow 2-5 rounds will land around it and if shooting into a crowd of undead potentially kill or disable others around the intended target. Repeat these deliberate 5 round bursts 20 times and you've you've only gone through 100 rounds and have likely killed at least twenty and wounded/slowed down a whole bunch more. Use this rate of fire against hostile people and you'll have then terrified for the lives and taking cover REALLY fast.

All told i'd be pretty confident against a crowd of Zeds with a LMG. A single LMG with a box or two of ammo would cut a terrible swath through a mass of bodies. Make it an GPMG firing 7.62mm with its superior penetration and I doubt many would be left at all.

[JakAttak]

I'd take the snipers. 1 shot one kill oo rah

[Hitman]

the slow rate of fire and the range to the target is what would determine weather or not the snipers would be the best one . if the zeds are spotted 1/2 a mile away then yea , snipers could wear them down before they ever got close . if 150 zombies just appeared out of the woodwork 100 yards away , then its time for volume of fire.

[jim96sc2]

Melee, no thanks. No need to go hand-to-head unless your in a protected defensive posture.

Rifleman - Marine motto at that point, "Rifleman first, whatever else second."

Marksman - m-14 No need for heavy 7.62 rounds vs zombies.

Driver - US is driver orientated, pretty much anyone who's over 18 can fill this role. But realistically its going to the guy with offroading experience.

Sniper - No need. We're not fighting the living.

Machinegunner - No need. We're not fighting the living.

Aux. Police - Will probably go to the real police people who, despite movies saying otherwise, are better at keeping the piece then putting lead in the air.

Technician - Will be worth their weight in gold. Mechanics/medical in particular.

Officer - Well, being as we are all slightly wierd and actually plan for zombies invading our areas we'd probably be stuck in some sort of leadership positions. However, once the initial shock wears off and organization takes root more then likely your going to be put in a subordinate role (barring you having military experience or something similar of course). You'll probably be in "command" of the local citizens zombie proofing their homes or patrolling the streets.

[ghdeh1]

Melee :shotg::axe: and if you get bit you have axe and shotgun.

[Running From Zombies]

I wouldn't fit into any of the categories provided. It would depend on the situation for what I would do. If they were slow zombies, yeah, I'd play the melee man as it would just be too fun and too easy.

Against fast zombies, it's another story. If this was a local situation I'd probably help be a supplier of some sort, logistics. A planner for the operation. If it was worldwide then this foray would be insane. From there it would depend on the social situation. Are we delving into madness? If its 7 days into the outbreak and we're already running low on supplies or the national guard needs volunteers for its own military operations then the situation is grim. I'd probably leave and try to stick it out on my own.

[JakAttak]

Sniper - No need. We're not fighting the living.

Machinegunner - No need. We're not fighting the living.
[/QUOTE]

[JakAttak]

Sniper - No need. We're not fighting the living.

Machinegunner - No need. We're not fighting the living.
[/QUOTE]

not quite true there would probably be hostile survivors and snipers still have great use against the dead

[Dave Of The Dead]

Snipers are always useful. Of course there is no need to camouflage, but not a lot of people can get a head shot from half a mile. Snipers are trained to kill, not to wound. So mistakes would be uncommon for a trained marksman.

[JakAttak]

finally Dave is backing me up.

[Shadowalker191]

Put me to work on the LMG or Turret mounted MG. I'll rip them Zed's to slivers before they could even get anywhere near us.

[Iron Knuckles]

Well, I'm feeling pretty secure with my choice to cook. No matter how many snipers are around its never a wise idea to mess with the cook.

[JakAttak]

smashing heads and baking bread oo rah.

[Cenobite]

Melee damnit! Gotta love the action.

Driver sounds good too.

[JakAttak]

you would be in the most dangerous job.

[Cenobite]

you would be in the most dangerous job.

Yeah but who said I have to take orders? I would volunteer so when I feel like the situation is getting out of control I would worry about my ass first and run for it.

[Faran Brigo]

Z-Day plus 7. Between the National guard and the Police a greenzone has been established. You've got a safe staging area, maintenence shops, a mass feeding setup and refugee housing. What role will you play when the patrols go out to aquisition supplies and rescue more survivors?

I'd say this implies that the patrols are in official capacity, organized by remanents of the police and national guard, so ignoring direct orders will be prosecuted, the harshness of it depending on whoever's in charge.

If I saw you running for it and leave the rest of us to die, I'd shoot you in the heart so I can kill you twice when you regressed if it was the last thing I could do. Nothing personal. I'm thinking lots of people would do the same.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah but who said I have to take orders? I would volunteer so when I feel like the situation is getting out of control I would worry about my ass first and run for it.

Yeah, nothing personal, but if someone can't take orders in a life or death situation, they have a death wish.

[Grinder]

I picked melee, but I'd probably be best at intelligence since I'm good at research and analysis. You'd still need people to read maps, plot courses and that kind of thing. I can see myself putting together lists of important places to hit for resources and people.

[JakAttak]

Yeah but who said I have to take orders? I would volunteer so when I feel like the situation is getting out of control I would worry about my ass first and run for it.

I'd kill you;-):skull:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Spear carrier, 3rd from the left. Just keep me supplied with ammo, and Iron City beer, just like those rednecks in DOTD78:lol:

[Cenobite]

I'd kill you;-):skull:

I changed my mind, I'll be the guy driving the only car.

Everybody out! I think that warehouse has supplies in it...hehehe.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I changed my mind, I'll be the guy driving the only car.

Everybody out! I think that warehouse has supplies in it...hehehe.

How do you expect to survive when you plan to piss everyone off who can save your life?

[Behemoth]

How do you expect to survive when you plan to piss everyone off who can save your life?
I think he's saying that tounge in cheek. But it does bring up a point, how do you judge someones worth to the group? Skills, material possesions, vip status ( ie senator, mayor cheif of police etc )

[Dave Of The Dead]

Showing respect to everyone is always a good way to earn trust and reliability.

[Behemoth]

Showing respect to everyone is always a good way to earn trust and reliability.
So you're saying a slick politian is worth more than a brash navy seal?

[Faran Brigo]

For leadership, if the brash navy seal is brash like the ex seals that worked for Blackwater in Iraq, yes, I prefer the politician.

[Dave Of The Dead]

No, I'm saying that somebody who shows respect to their fellow soldiers is more likely to be trusted or even liked than someone who blows you off all the time.

[bandits1]

No, I'm saying that somebody who shows respect to their fellow soldiers is more likely to be trusted or even liked than someone who blows you off all the time.
Agreed. And we must remember that most groups aren't going to be comprised of "soldiers". They are going to be ordinary people that aren't obligated by military law to follow the orders of anyone they don't want to. That's why "likability" and "people skills" are going to be important qualities in a leader - almost as important as tactical/survival skills.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Exactly, I just used the word "Soldiers" to resemble all of the combined Fight For Survival Forces.

[Behemoth]

No, I'm saying that somebody who shows respect to their fellow soldiers is more likely to be trusted or even liked than someone who blows you off all the time.
You wrote NO when you mean YES:doh:

[Faran Brigo]

You asked if he was saying that a smooth politician was worth more than a brash seal. He answered that he wasn't saying that, he was merely saying someone who respects and listens to others will probably be more popular and respected (this doesn't mean he's "worth more"). Notice that popularity and worth are not interchangeable terms.

[Behemoth]

Define respect.

[Faran Brigo]

Hard to define, but a simplification would be that respect means acknowledgment that the other person(s) have instrinsic value and rights at least equal to yours, and thus they deserve the same amount of consideration that you would have for yourself.

In practice this means if you wouldn't go on a suicide mission, you don't send others in one either. If you don't like to be beaten up for questioning a questionable order, you don't do it to others either. If you believe you're entitled to grieving time, you give it to others too.

On the flipside if you don't give them grieving time (for example) then you keep a stiff upper lip and plow ahead too. Being hypercritical of others while being hypocritical with yourself is also an evident lack of respect. Being consistent shows respect. For instance if you yell at others but let others yell at you, you might be irritating but people eventually get used to communicating that way. On the other hand if you yell all the time and beat up people who glare or yell back, you're a prick, and people will be less inclined to trust you, they might fear you but they sure as hell won't respect you.

Respect is different than fear. Respect fosters trust, constructive criticism and improvement. Fear fosters duplicity, sycophants and decay. Even the "brash" elements in the military have respect, although they have a different concept of it and different ways to show it.

[DarthJoe8]

FB well said!:drinking:

[Behemoth]

Hard to define, but a simplification would be that respect means acknowledgment that the other person(s) have instrinsic value and rights at least equal to yours, and thus they deserve the same amount of consideration that you would have for yourself.

In practice this means if you wouldn't go on a suicide mission, you don't send others in one either. If you don't like to be beaten up for questioning a questionable order, you don't do it to others either. If you believe you're entitled to grieving time, you give it to others too.

On the flipside if you don't give them grieving time (for example) then you keep a stiff upper lip and plow ahead too. Being hypercritical of others while being hypocritical with yourself is also an evident lack of respect. Being consistent shows respect. For instance if you yell at others but let others yell at you, you might be irritating but people eventually get used to communicating that way. On the other hand if you yell all the time and beat up people who glare or yell back, you're a prick, and people will be less inclined to trust you, they might fear you but they sure as hell won't respect you.

Respect is different than fear. Respect fosters trust, constructive criticism and improvement. Fear fosters duplicity, sycophants and decay. Even the "brash" elements in the military have respect, although they have a different concept of it and different ways to show it.

Your definition is a good one, however i must now ask what good is respect? What gets things done fear or respect? I put forward with the following example fear ( or respectful fear if there is such a thing ) is in reality the be all & end all. Ok where i work we have a CEO & a MD from the same family ( father & son ) now they have certain ways they expect people to behave in their presence, ie one must always say good morning with a smile, you must allways hold the door open, you must always say mr before each greeting, you must hold the door open for them, the building must be cleaned before they arrive etc. Now they presume that this earns them respect, because no ever says no to them so they must have the respect of all their staff, wright? Well here is one example of their true nature, in the managers meeting we have, they made a big fuss about security & how the security guards were lax & told the relevant mangers " gentlemen this is not acceptable", so the managers go & beat down the security guards. Now the CEO is making a visit to the site, so the guard does his job & asks the chauffer for his id badge, the CEO becomes indignant & says "you there, don't you know who i am" so the guard opens the gate & does his job again by taking the down the number plate no'. First thing the CEO says to the site manager is he wants the guard fired. Now this guy will go to his grave with the belief he has the respect of everyone around him. Has he?
So, what i am saying is respect is of no use unless you have fear, the two are interwoven. Respect is nothing without fear.

[Faran Brigo]

Your definition is a good one, however i must now ask what good is respect? What gets things done fear or respect?

Both. Although Hitler inspired fear, for instance, most of the time he got his way without the need to make threats. I'm pretty sure as fearsome as George Washington was (and the guy was tough as nails according to historians) people followed him out of respect and admiration, not because they were quaking in their boots of him.

Druglords and warlords rule through fear and intimidation, they call that respect. I ask you now, how stable are those organizations and how often they collapse because someone else wants to be head honcho?

so they must have the respect of all their staff, wright?

Wrong, completely and utterly wrong. Think about what I said, about sycophants and duplicity. Fits like a glove.

Well here is one example of their true nature...Now this guy will go to his grave with the belief he has the respect of everyone around him. Has he?

That's an excellent illustration of why I believe it's the wrong way to do things. No he doesn't have respect, however there's a whole system that prevents the guard from punching him in the face that will not be there if society collapses. And that's the key difference actually, the guards, managers and staff are not afraid of the CEO, they're afraid of what the CEO can do to them and their impotence in facing him due to the rules of the game. Rules that will not be there if it's every man for himself.

The other bit is that like you said, the guard let him through. In other words he failed to follow proper proceedure out of fear for the leadership, like how in communist countries regional managers cause shortages and famine by exagerating production reports because they fear leadership punishments. Congrats, you just made a better argument against fear that I could come up with on my own.

There was a whole argument about that recently, on another thread. "Raiding: Basic strategy and tactics". Wasn't conclusive, but the bottom line is, few of the people that participated agree with that. Whether that means we're talking out of our butts and will fall in line when the crap hits the fan, or if the people who think they're going to lead with fear will be the first ones to get shot or used as bait is open to speculation.

So, what i am saying is respect is of no use unless you have fear, the two are interwoven. Respect is nothing without fear.Other way around, many people have followed people they don't fear. Rarely someone who leads solely by intimidation lasts too long. Only until he finds a bigger fish, someone even more frightening, or until he himself grows too weak, or until enough people get so fed up that they mutiny.

[Dave Of The Dead]

There have been few rulers in the world who ruled by fear. They ruled because their followers respected them in their actions, commands, ambitions, and qualities. However, they built fear in order to conquer. The people who followed this ruler respected him/her, but the people who didn't follow him/her were the ones who feared them. Fear only accomplishes something when you are dealing with an enemy.

[bandits1]

Hard to define, but a simplification would be that respect means acknowledgment that the other person(s) have instrinsic value and rights at least equal to yours, and thus they deserve the same amount of consideration that you would have for yourself.

In practice this means if you wouldn't go on a suicide mission, you don't send others in one either. If you don't like to be beaten up for questioning a questionable order, you don't do it to others either. If you believe you're entitled to grieving time, you give it to others too.

On the flipside if you don't give them grieving time (for example) then you keep a stiff upper lip and plow ahead too. Being hypercritical of others while being hypocritical with yourself is also an evident lack of respect. Being consistent shows respect. For instance if you yell at others but let others yell at you, you might be irritating but people eventually get used to communicating that way. On the other hand if you yell all the time and beat up people who glare or yell back, you're a prick, and people will be less inclined to trust you, they might fear you but they sure as hell won't respect you.

Respect is different than fear. Respect fosters trust, constructive criticism and improvement. Fear fosters duplicity, sycophants and decay. Even the "brash" elements in the military have respect, although they have a different concept of it and different ways to show it.
Great post, Faran Brigo, great post.

I remember in the older thread there were quite a few self-appointed leaders who insisted that ruling by fear and intimidation was the only way to go. Kinda hard to be an effective leader when you have no followers, or the only ones you do have are mindless and spineless.

[Augustus Desius]

I would probably be frontline, I'm fairly heavy, and I know how to land a blow effectively, plus I'm not the best marksman, not terrible, but not great either, so a shotgun may be more my style.

[Behemoth]

[QUOTE]The other bit is that like you said, the guard let him through. In other words he failed to follow proper proceedure out of fear for the leadership, like how in communist countries regional managers cause shortages and famine by exagerating production reports because they fear leadership punishments. Congrats, you just made a better argument against fear that I could come up with on my own.[QUOTE]
Shaking my head whilst writing, no it does not make an argument one way or the other. Ok, for the purpose of this forum we will say there are two types of fear ( hold those keys, please don't start quoting some nobel price winner & their theory ) irrational & rational, the guard showed IRRATIONAL fear. He should have stuck to his guns & waited for a manager. The CEO could not have fired him he knew this, he could not respect someone he did not know. The point i was trying to make is people belive they have have respect when they do not, this trait is common amongst CEO & MD types it is irrational fear that gets things done.
You mention hittler, fear of him was RATIONAL but how did he get things done? I would state he had a very high standing & was respected by 80%-90% of people in germany, so was it fear or respect? The answer must be respect. Lets use his nemesis, churchill, did he have respect? Yes. Was he feared yes. Again IRRATIONAL fear, he would shout & yell alot so the war minister might fear he was going to get a punch in the head. Now this is where respect comes in, due to the length of time churchill has been around eveyone knows his good points & bad points, yes you may get a punch ( RATIONAL ) or you the war minister is scared of getting a punch ( IRRATIONAL ) so respect happens when after a period of time the two fears become interwined & blosom into respect. Do you get it? Now tell me why the guard opened the gate.

[JakAttak]

A good leader shouldn't give a damn about what people say behind his back. If follow his orders that should be enough.

[Faran Brigo]

That's got good internal consistency, but I don't subscribe to your theory. Fear's an emotional response, it's inherently irrational, there is no such thing as "rational" fear. You're not in charge, you don't get to decide what we do "for the purpose of this forum" any more than I or anyone else for that matter do.

Frankly the idea that any of Churchill's ministers did what he asked of them out of fear is blatantly absurd. Not only that, Churchill is famous for his speeches and rethoric, and for his ability to compromise and hold together the fragile alliance of the west and the soviets, not for his empty threats. He was a charismatic leader, not one that inspired fear.

It's neither here nor there but Churchill CREATED the post of "Minister of defense" and occupied it himself until the end of the war in 1945 so if Churchill ever scared his "war minister" he had multiple personalities.

I get it. You're trying to teach me that fear gets things done through parables, which would be far more effective if you had a firm grasp of psychology (relating to your theory about what makes respect) or history (regarding Churchill). I get it, I don't agree with it. I stick with what I said:

The guard was afraid of what the leadership could do to him. Even if he did NOT know who the CEO was (and you didn't mention this before), he got the message, which was "I'm important, I could get you in trouble if you annoy me". In an organization where people don't fear the leadership, for instance if the guards were unionized, he might have said "Yes, you're the guy who needs to show me ID".

Edit: You got your interpretation based on what you know and believe, I got mine based on what I know and believe. But taking what you said about not quoting anybody, and by extension not using sources or theory, ok, this one's coming solely from me. You'll never get any respect from me by scaring me, the only thing you'll get that way is compliance and hate, and compliance will stop eventually. And I suspect I'm not the only one that feels that way. Anyone who does become overpowered by fear will not be useful in combat anyway.

[Behemoth]

The guard was afraid of what the leadership could do to him. Even if he did NOT know who the CEO was (and you didn't mention this before), he got the message, which was "I'm important, I could get you in trouble if you annoy me". In an organization where people don't fear the leadership, for instance if the guards were unionized, he might have said "Yes, you're the guy who needs to show me ID
Well i worked with the guy so i know first hand why he opened the gate. I also had spoken with 3 witnesses who saw & heard what happened. Whwn someone told me what happened i went down to take the mickey.

Frankly the idea that any of Churchill's ministers did what he asked of them out of fear is blatantly absurd. Not only that, Churchill is famous for his speeches and rethoric, and for his ability to compromise and hold together the fragile alliance of the west and the soviets, not for his empty threats. He was a charismatic leader, not one that inspired fear.[QUOTE]

If you had bothered to read the post you will quite clearly see i wrote he was respected & feared, contrary to what americans like yourself belive churchill was feared by the brittish establishment, he was thought of as a brash maverick, he lost his respect through his disatrous dardanelles campaign & his represion of the coal minors. You will also note he was not re-ellected after the war. Although you may find the truth a little too absurd.

[QUOTE]I get it. You're trying to teach me that fear gets things done through parables, which would be far more effective if you had a firm grasp of psychology (relating to your theory about what makes respect) or history (regarding Churchill). I get it, I don't agree with it. I stick with what I said:

You don't get it! If you had a grasp of history, you might!

You got your interpretation based on what you know and believe, I got mine based on what I know and believe.
Well we agree on something.

[Faran Brigo]

I'm not arguing about the facts of what happened, I disagree with your interpretation of those facts. I'm not American, but what do you have against them?

The other thing, I never said he wasn't considered a maverick, I said the idea of him bullying people into doing whatever he wanted is absurd and I stand by my opinion. He was respected because he was charismatic and commanded popular support, he did not command popular support out of fear and was respected for that. As you pointed out, when he lost his popularity he became so weak that he lost by a landslide to Clement Attlee, someone who didn't exactly scare the bejeesus out of everyone.

[Behemoth]

I'm not American, but what do you have against them?
Nothing! I mean, when i speak to americans they all love churchill & are surprised when i show them some of the ways he got things done. I did not say he was a bully, i said he was feared & respected, his war speeches were great propaganda, & did earn him the peoples trust. I stated facts as to why he lost his respect prior to being appointed prime minister of a wartime coalition.( the ministers were not technically his ) You seem to be reading things that i write & re-translating them to fit your explanations. FYI, had lord halifax said yes you might never have heard of churchill & this conversation would be in german.

"Sir you're drunk!" " Madam, you're ugly, & in the morning i'll be sober".
Sir Winston Churhill

[Dave Of The Dead]

Slavery isn't the right word, but its the first that comes to mind.

In a zombie apocalypse, how are you going to punish someone who doesn't follow your orders? How are you going to replace someone who runs off in the middle of the night? If I had a psychotic leader who commanded us and tried to scare us into following his every command with no questions or doubts, I would tie him up int he middle of the night and leave him the next day.

Totalitarianism isn't the right word, but its the first that comes to mind.

Like I said before, a leader should be admired and trusted by his followers because of the decisions he's made and his knowledge of the situation. He should inspire not in his allies, but in his opponents.

[Behemoth]

Slavery isn't the right word, but its the first that comes to mind.

In a zombie apocalypse, how are you going to punish someone who doesn't follow your orders? How are you going to replace someone who runs off in the middle of the night? If I had a psychotic leader who commanded us and tried to scare us into following his every command with no questions or doubts, I would tie him up int he middle of the night and leave him the next day.

Totalitarianism isn't the right word, but its the first that comes to mind.

Like I said before, a leader should be admired and trusted by his followers because of the decisions he's made and his knowledge of the situation. He should inspire not in his allies, but in his opponents.
Yes i agree, but that sort of leadership takes time to build up, i don't think in a situation where quick decisions are required you can spend time earning respect through fine words, you would end with a squabbling group & nothing gets done. It happens time & time again on these reality tv shows. ( until the producer steps in ) It even happens on internet forums, can you belive it?:)

[UNDEAD FRED]

To be honest I would only join a militia if it is ran by local athorities. I can see some citizens forming one up, and it would turn into some tin pot dictatorship, with some power hungry/control freak running it, a Cpt Rhoads type of leader who will threating someone who doesnt follow his orders. Especially if your an outsider of the group.

[Creature]

Jesus. I have to say Machine gunner. Just be sure to pull back all people in front of me before i start firing... More than once i've hit someone (paintball nothin real) on my team

[Behemoth]

To be honest I would only join a militia if it is ran by local athorities. I can see some citizens forming one up, and it would turn into some tin pot dictatorship, with some power hungry/control freak running it, a Cpt Rhoads type of leader who will threating someone who doesnt follow his orders. Especially if your an outsider of the group.
Correct, just read the posts on this thread, certain people will not listen to other ideas, they are right everyone else is wrong. But saying that your chances of survival are higher in a group than on your own, it's just a question of odds, if there are five people in the open the zombie has five choices ( odds 5/1 ) on your own its even, all bets are off.

[zombieexterminator]

id want to be a sniper or marksmen...
i wana protect that bourbon chicken and rice!!!!
chinchilla!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
lol

[JakAttak]

mmmmmmmmkkkkkaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyy

[IronJayBee]

I definatly would be a driver/marksman. If im not behind the wheel im behind the rifle. Im an average shot but if I was to put one before the other I would be a driver.

[mattifikation]

If you're an average shot, why would you want to be a marksman?

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you're an average shot, why would you want to be a marksman?
A little backup firepower is better than none. I know if I weren't doing my job at that moment, I would be taking pot shots too.

[beyerwrestler]

Well i think id be best suited as a rifleman, cook, and melee
1. rifleman because im a pretty good shot with rifles i could help keep the hordes at bay.

2. Cook because well...im a good cook:)

3.Melee cause i know how to handle a shotgun and any close range weaponry such as pistols and subs.

I think id be a good hel but im not really a leader, Im the guy who supports the leaders decisions and helps everyone else understand

[bandits1]

A little backup firepower is better than none. I know if I weren't doing my job at that moment, I would be taking pot shots too.
Yup - nothing's wrong with trying to improve your shooting skills on few stray zombies. Get in the practice when and where you can.


...and beyerwrestler - finally someone who can cook. You may turn out to be the MVP during these dark days.

[beyerwrestler]

...and beyerwrestler - finally someone who can cook. You may turn out to be the MVP during these dark days.

:lol:haha if eveyone likes barbecue, pasta, and mac and cheese :lol: but yeah id stay at base camp and cook, and in spare time id climb up to the rooftops and pull out my rifle and have some target practice while the foods marinating:)

[GunSlingerInferno]

I would be a Technician, I am a pretty decent shot with nearly any weapon I've picked up, but so are a lot of other people. I'm really close to getting my Chem degree and I've worked on cars all my life, I know basic first aid, even know how to treat a sucking chest wound, but most of all I'm good at turning household junk into useful highly exothermic reactions :)

[beyerwrestler]

but most of all I'm good at turning household junk into useful highly exothermic reactions :)


I have no idea what you just said but it sounds kinda creepy/awesome :drinking:

[Faran Brigo]

I...getting my Chem degree ...but most of all I'm good at turning household junk into useful highly exothermic reactions :)

We should compare notes on nitrification of solvents and cellulose sometime.

[balancedragon]

I guess I'll be the sniper in the group. I can stay up late at nights as a lookout for the group.

[mattifikation]

Silliness. All silliness.

I'll be whatever I need to be at the moment for me and my group to survive.

[beyerwrestler]

Silliness. All silliness.

I'll be whatever I need to be at the moment for me and my group to survive.

I get what your saying there, about doing what you can to help the group survive. But in my opinion a group of survivors would be better off knowing who is good at what and not just having people go along doing whatever. Cause wouldnt you rather have the ex-military rifleman as watchman instead of the cook even though the latter is moving supplies around?
Its just my opinion :-|

[Trumble0]

Haha, I love how no one has Chosen Aux. Police yet... Although I'm going to be a Police Officer... F that, Auxillary Police seems like a safe job up until you get a refugee who slips by with an undetected bite, turns in the night and goes crazy in the Bunks while everyone is sleeping. then You've got a situtation at camp while the Spec. ops guys are out doing night raids to get supplies/find other survivors. I trust a shotgun, but I would want something other than a Nightstick with it. I'll stick with Marksman... Don't know enough about concealment and all that tactical junk to be a Sniper, I'm just a pretty good shot with a rifle. :lol:

[DarthJoe8]

Silliness. All silliness.

I'll be whatever I need to be at the moment for me and my group to survive.

Ditto that. :drinking:

[DarthJoe8]

:think: I was just looking at the poll results, and it seems like a pretty nice mix. Lots of diverse talents with at least a few people that can cross over to handle other tasks. :drinking:

[bandits1]

Haha, I love how no one has Chosen Aux. Police yet... Although I'm going to be a Police Officer... F that, Auxillary Police seems like a safe job up until you get a refugee who slips by with an undetected bite, turns in the night and goes crazy in the Bunks while everyone is sleeping. then You've got a situtation at camp while the Spec. ops guys are out doing night raids to get supplies/find other survivors. I trust a shotgun, but I would want something other than a Nightstick with it. I'll stick with Marksman... Don't know enough about concealment and all that tactical junk to be a Sniper, I'm just a pretty good shot with a rifle. :lol:
Nor does anyone else here...unless someone forgot to mention that he is a graduate of U.S. Army Sniper School.

[JakAttak]

yea heh heh guess what I did during my summer vacation.

[secretcog]

I feel so ashamed. This pole has left me completely undecided. I can't even write a witty stab at the question.

I need to sit on this one for awhile.

[JakAttak]

and you can't spell you're losing on all fronts.

[secretcog]

and you can't spell you're losing on all fronts.

Thanks, I know this! If it wasn't for Microsoft Word, I wouldn't have graduated college. I just visited www.iespell.com and downloaded the spell check application for internet explorer. Would've done it awhile back, but gave into lazyness.

As for my place/role in the militia: there was no field in the poll for "intel & research." Those are my strongest talents. That's what I'd be/do.

[JakAttak]

you would probably research what field men brought back or be a snipers spotter once you learn how to gauge the weather and environments.

[jagus12]

As for my place/role in the militia: there was no field in the poll for "intel & research." Those are my strongest talents. That's what I'd be/do.

Wouldnt that be the officer?

[john154]

Looks like we've assembled a pretty solid ass kicking crew here. Good to see that someone'e finnally taken the Auxilary Police job. There's gotta be a few more hardy souls out there to beat down the misfits and liberal bleeding hearts that we'll undoubtly bring in with the refugees.

Whats more i've found a theme song for the thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JHyowrsr48 Check it out.

Originally Posted by secretcog http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?p=365636#post365636)
As for my place/role in the militia: there was no field in the poll for "intel & research." Those are my strongest talents. That's what I'd be/do.


Dude im sure they're be a busy job for you with the Aux. Police or hospital staff. I good investigator type fellow would be an asset.

[JakAttak]

like I said a spotter would provide vast opportunity for (relatively) safe field research.

[Lian]

Oh there are many a niche I could fill. I could shoot things as well as the next guy. Led a group, make dinner, brew beer, make things that go boom. Sit up all night with half the female population drinking my beer and forgetting that I'm on watch. :lol:

[Adam]

The poll did not have the niche I would fill: NCO.

The officers provide the "leadership" and the NCO's provide the
motivation and the ass-kicking, which is sometimes the same thing.

Other than that, I'm toting a rifle.

[homelitexl]

i would be a chainsaw wizard and driver mixed with melee and bombmaker:poo:

[jagus12]

i would be a chainsaw wizard and driver mixed with melee and bombmaker:poo:

Well you should at least to try to say something reasonable..

[VideoJunkie]

sorry but other than carpentry I don't have skills other than battle and survival.

No sweat, carpentry is gonna be in HUGE demand. Can you say "They're coming! Quick, board up the windows!!!" Somebody better know how to drive a damn nail!

[Lian]

PFT? Drive nails? Let's just bust out the genny, air compressor, and the nail gun. Then you can kill zombies and fortify at the same time. :lol:

[mattifikation]

Somebody needs to build barricades, repair doors and windows, and possibly even build entire perimeter walls.

I'd rather have a carpenter do it than, say, me.

[VideoJunkie]

In the scenario presented I chose rifleman. If we're gonna go out in organized groups as described earlier, I want the comfort of a solid select fire weapon in my hands. Honestly though, I'd prefer an AK-47 or an AK-74 to the M-16. No offense to the memory of Mr. Eugene Stoner, but the AK's looser tolerances make it less problematic in harsh environments than the tighter fitting components of the M-16. I'm assuming we'll also be carrying sidearms with high cap mags?

[UNDEAD FRED]

I will be the one bringing the cheap redneck beer

[homelitexl]

i'll be bringing the for door oldsmbile the boomstick and the chainsaw hand

[Spot]

I might not have an M14, trying to get one thoe, but i do have a 1944 Mosen Nagant, bolt action but i can emty it in 1 min, and i have an auto shotty, 12 guage.

[homelitexl]

billy boy that gun which i have seen has gotta be hard to find ammo for at least my boomstick is more common

[Spot]

I do agree about the AK, you can drop it a million times and fire it, the M14 is the same way. Its old school kik ass and because of that i think it would be a great choice. a high recoil and a 20 shot mag are the only down side.

[Spot]

No no will, the Nagant uses 7.62x54, very common in most places in the world. Almost anything Russian, like the Ak47, PKM, RPK and many others use the same ammo.

[homelitexl]

so does ron jeremys genitals but they aint a weopon

[Spot]

What is that suposed to mean? Also my 12 Guage is like a siad automatic, so at close range im set also. The problem of carrieing multipul weapons is swiching from one to the other fast and without loosening one.

[homelitexl]

well know fact ron jeremy can shoot bullets out of his wang

[44hogleg]

No no will, the Nagant uses 7.62x54, very common in most places in the world. Almost anything Russian, like the Ak47, PKM, RPK and many others use the same ammo.

I don't mean to be too picky, but just to get the facts straight a true AK-47 (not a knock-off chambered in a differnet caliber) uses the 7.62x39mm round, as does the RPK (although the newer RPK's can also be found in 5.45x39mm).

[Darkness]

well know fact ron jeremy can shoot bullets out of his wang

"Get your mind out of the gutter before you get booted out."


"And this thread is about Hastily Formed Military Defense Groups, and what role you would pick to preform in them. Not which gun is better. We have plenty of gun threads to go around, please get back on topic." :naughty:

[Bob]

I have to wonder how many people who chose marksman or sniper could actually hit a head sized target at 100 yards and beyond?

[homelitexl]

sorry just bill says that all the time and i could shoot 100 yards open sight witha 22 pistol not trying hit a blosk of wood the size of yer head

[Bob]

Excuse me Hometextile but I can't make any sense out of your last statement.

Could you or someone else please translate for me.

[Necrowerx]

I've got computer skills and an electronics tech background, but that's a bit rusty. Not much in the way of firearms yet, but I'm working on that.
I got my purple belt in Kempo at age 12, but .. that's even rustier than the electronics! lol

More than likely, my role would be "zombie bait", used to draw them in for the snipers.
:? :guns: :zom2:

[Raverous]

I'd probably be the guy on a utility quad with camping gear and ammo strapped on riding around up in the hills with a Mosin Nagant, Ar-15 and a 1911, helping out survivors I came across or whatever but never really grouping up, I'd only go to rural gas stations to refill etc, eventually trying to get a truck, put a few 50 gal gas drums in the bed.. use the rest of the space for food, ammo, tools to keep my weapons maintained etc. Unless I came across some sort of military base or bunker that I could realistically completely barricade,had functioning electricity, outside and inside security cameras, and could be defended by myself Id keep to the road as long as I could.

I can't see myself in an organized group though..I'm a loner by choice now I doubt id be able to stand people any more in a zombie crisis.

[VideoJunkie]

sorry just bill says that all the time and i could shoot 100 yards open sight witha 22 pistol not trying hit a blosk of wood the size of yer head

Homolite, if you're trying to say you can shoot a head sized target at 100 yards with .22 pistol with open sights. Wow, that's a load of :poo:! Sorry kid, but I don't buy it. I doubt anyone else here does either. I realize that there is a tendency to exaggerate things in an online forum, but let's try to be a little realistic. Okay, I'm done preaching now.


P.S. - SPELLCHECK!!!!!

[Bob]

Raverous

I have never really looked into the utility quads.
They seem like something I would like to have though.
What kind do you have?
If you don't mind me asking what did it cost?
Fuel usage?
What is maintenance like?
What is it's towing capacity?

[homelitexl]

i m not lying i've shot that gun since i could walk i know it better than you know your own name

[Darkness]

"This conversation is still off topic. Get it back on track and keep it there, or I'm gonna get the box of pad locks and close the doors. GOT IT?"

[Zombreach]

Since I have no shooting skills, I would have to be on the medical team. I think nurse would be the best title for me. I also have some building skills.

[VideoJunkie]

If we're not sticking to the original list of roles then I'm changing mine. I'm not sure what I'd be called, but I have a definite idea about what I'd be doing. I'd one of the guys going out on supply raids, at least in the early stages. After we get our :poo: together and start trying to clear out the zeds, I'd probably want to switch to that role. Setting up kill zones and luring in the zed's. I'd be mad as hell about my nice soft easy life getting screwed up, and I figure putting down a few hundred thousand zacks would be good therapy!:evil:

So I guess you could call me a raider or scrounger. In the early stages we'd be hard pressed to feed the survivors we had, and we'd keep bringing in more. Someone's gotta get out there and bring home dinner. I can also cook. Actully the only thing I'll be any good at cooking is meat. Everything else I cook depends on a lot of pre-packaged stuff that'll run out pretty quick. DAMN!! The meat! Okay, screw all the roles we've talked about so far. Who's gonna be the butcher????:scare: I've gotta have meat. Look, I'm from a city. To me meat comes in nice sanitary packages. It's on styrofoam and wrapped in plastic. If the grocery store is overrun with zombies, where do I get the frozen chicken? How do I find a chuck roast if the butcher is to busy trying to eat my brain to bother labeling the meat??? I hate zombies!!!

[Zombreach]

If we're not sticking to the original list of roles then I'm changing mine.


If you are referring to me, I was choosing one of the roles listed...technician-mad skills. But I like your idea of being one who raids or scrounges for food.

[Bob]

Long term scroungers are going to be rare.
It would be a high risk low reward position.
Perfect place for guys who can't get their maintenance meds anymore. Gives us a chance to be useful and go out in a blaze of glory. I would want to die with my boots on not fade away slowly.

[homelitexl]

chainsaw wielding zombie hunter from hell would be my pick you know roam from town to town with a hummer and just slay them senslisly

[Raverous]

chainsaw wielding zombie hunter from hell would be my pick you know roam from town to town with a hummer and just slay them senslisly

I don't mean to sound rude, but I think the people wielding chainsaws would be some of the first that got massacred, right after the anime geeks jumping out with their $20 katanas thinking they're naruto or something...

Chainsaws are incredibly heavy, bulky, etc.. also think of the blood spatter.. would you Really want to bathe in zombie blood like that? Hope you've got no open cuts, you'd have to keep your eyes, and mouth closed, and not breathe.. don't want to snort any blood.. I'm assuming getting infected blood in an open wound could lead to infection of course.. It only makes sense if being bitten can turn you that getting infected blood in a wound or mucus membrane would as well.

[homelitexl]

i got the complete ss trooper uniform and armor complete with full face gas mask

[john154]

If we're not sticking to the original list of roles then I'm changing mine. I'm not sure what I'd be called, but I have a definite idea about what I'd be doing. I'd one of the guys going out on supply raids, at least in the early stages.

VideoJunkie the original thesis of this whole poll was that all of the listed skillsets would be required for raids, supply runs, rescues ect. Your supposed to vote for one em. The "role" your thinking of is called a "soldier".

[Darkness]

"He would have added twice as many, if he had been able to. But the Poll Function only allows nine options."

[CAVU45]

I've been a shift supervisor and squad/team leader. I'm an expert rifleman and can drive anything with wheels. The good old deuce and a half ain't nothing to drive. I'm a "techie" with electrical and mechanical skills. I'm a trained Army Combat Life Saver with a full medical kit. Put me on the road.

[homelitexl]

i recently bought a truck that hauls septic tanks to convert for logs big rig but still not so big i need a cdl to drive it

[Bob]

Won't it make the logs smell bad?

[homelitexl]

Won't it make the logs smell bad?

no i hosed it off it an old international

[Spot]

I would love to find supplys, I can be very quiet. And kill with a bow, nothings as quiet as an arrow to the temple.

[VideoJunkie]

I would love to find supplys, I can be very quiet. And kill with a bow, nothings as quiet as an arrow to the temple.

An arrow might be silent, but the rate of fire leaves a lot to be desired. I hope you'll be packing at least a pistol as backup. Better still, in addition to that pistol you should actually HAVE backup. Someone with a little more firepower to cover your ass if/when it hits the fan. I know some people can do amazing things with a bow, but when a half dozen zombies suddenly come barreling out of a store front only 10 feet away, that bow is going to be more of a liability than an asset. I'm sure it will come in handy for dispatching single zeds at short distances, but I just don't think you should be out with out someone to watch your back.

If noise does attract zombies, your job could be made a lot easier if we draw the zombies away from our target area. I've been thinking that a portable radio/cd player (boombox) could be a great way to lure zombies. I figure one of those small crates people carry pets in, the heavy duty plastic ones, would be perfect to protect a boombox. leave it at one end of the street, and the zeds will swarm the little cage looking for the source of the noise. Meanwhile, I can be raiding the bookstore. Yeah, I know, we'll need food and medicine and tools and all kinds of essentials. Books might not seem all that important to some people. Well the idea of suddenly having no internet or cable...(VJ shudders)...I'll be going stir crazy in a week! Hey, that's a role I hadn't considered. I could raid bookstores and librarys! I could be the ZPAW Librarian! Looking for a title we don't currently have? No problem! I'll just strap on a couple of 9mm's and grab my AK and jump in my bookmobile. I'll have your book in 2 days, guaranteed, or I'll eat your brain! (see, if I don't make it back with the book, it's 'cause I'm a zombie now...you get that, right?) I could get into that job! It's perfect for an old guy with ADD and some violent tendencies. I'd get to read alot, and whenever I'm bored I can go kill a bunch of zeds while raiding some Barnes and Nobles! I love it! Hey! Back off! I called librarian FIRST! My late fees are going to be INSANE!!!:loon:

[Bob]

VJ
Perhaps a visit to the library of Congress would be in order.
I wonder how Zombie proof that bld would be?

[homelitexl]

An arrow might be silent, but the rate of fire leaves a lot to be desired. I hope you'll be packing at least a pistol as backup. Better still, in addition to that pistol you should actually HAVE backup. Someone with a little more firepower to cover your ass if/when it hits the fan. I know some people can do amazing things with a bow, but when a half dozen zombies suddenly come barreling out of a store front only 10 feet away, that bow is going to be more of a liability than an asset. I'm sure it will come in handy for dispatching single zeds at short distances, but I just don't think you should be out with out someone to watch your back.

If noise does attract zombies, your job could be made a lot easier if we draw the zombies away from our target area. I've been thinking that a portable radio/cd player (boombox) could be a great way to lure zombies. I figure one of those small crates people carry pets in, the heavy duty plastic ones, would be perfect to protect a boombox. leave it at one end of the street, and the zeds will swarm the little cage looking for the source of the noise. Meanwhile, I can be raiding the bookstore. Yeah, I know, we'll need food and medicine and tools and all kinds of essentials. Books might not seem all that important to some people. Well the idea of suddenly having no internet or cable...(VJ shudders)...I'll be going stir crazy in a week! Hey, that's a role I hadn't considered. I could raid bookstores and librarys! I could be the ZPAW Librarian! Looking for a title we don't currently have? No problem! I'll just strap on a couple of 9mm's and grab my AK and jump in my bookmobile. I'll have your book in 2 days, guaranteed, or I'll eat your brain! (see, if I don't make it back with the book, it's 'cause I'm a zombie now...you get that, right?) I could get into that job! It's perfect for an old guy with ADD and some violent tendencies. I'd get to read alot, and whenever I'm bored I can go kill a bunch of zeds while raiding some Barnes and Nobles! I love it! Hey! Back off! I called librarian FIRST! My late fees are going to be INSANE!!!:loon:

me and you should go into bussiness. i uped your idead ten fold. duct tape a walkie talkie to a rc car or blimp and talk while they follow and hey with my war gear i wouldn't be a liabilty and plus when it happens playboys are going to be worth somthing to all those lonely guys outthere.

[Creeping Death]

M-16 rifleman.

It kinda reminds me of the infantry unit.
I'd probably just be out there to gun down the zeds.

[Ironzey]

I think in a real situation we'd all be asked or obligated to pull more than one duty.

In the begining weeks of the Iraq war while I was deployed over there I (an Air Traffic Controller) was tasked with being: a babysitter for sensitive information, a driver for people and cargo, airfield manager (that was a real insult) and a few other things. I didn't get a choice, and to be honest, at the time I thought these jobs were beneath me. They were all nescesary but not what I was trained to do during war time but it was where I was needed

If I had a choice I'd choose tech.

You don't get to pick and choose what you will be doing in a time of war.

[Creeping Death]

You don't get to pick and choose what you will be doing in a time of war.

True, but don't they pick based on your skills, and strengths?

[Ironzey]

yeah but if everyone wants to be an ice cream man someone is going to be disapointed.

When I joined the Air Force I was told "Air Force needs come first".

I would expect the same to be true in this type of scenerio.

Melee troops, I couldn't see that happening though.

[Creeping Death]

yeah but if everyone wants to be an ice cream man someone is going to be disapointed.

When I joined the Air Force I was told "Air Force needs come first".

I would expect the same to be true in this type of scenerio.

Melee troops, I couldn't see that happening though.

Very true.
Melee troops would be pointless, unless the zeds are walkers. :poo:

[john154]

Too true. In the event of this emergency militia being put together with probably not more then a few weeks of training guys would be outfitted with whatever is available. Initially this would be the military's available m-16s agmented with shotguns, rifles and pistols from gunstores the leadership would likely raid before civilians could get in there(hopefully). Then I can only imagine that taking into account available ammunition and materials they'd ration out machine guns, riot shields and battle rifles. Maybe even given a sufficient machineshop start producing easy to manufaure wepaons (AR-18 rifles and/or Sten submachineguns for example) and issuing them to the next class to comlete their basic infantry crash course.

Naturally all these guys would be working together with whatever loadouts they might have. I can vividly imagine how though the Melee troops, Riflemen and Marksman would do the most of the footwork while Snipers & Machine Gunners provide security and the Officer/Med. Tech/Veh. Tech/Drivers and Aux Police maintain an operational headquarters at the vehicals.

Have men assigned to specific jobs but working together combined with planning, rehersal, flexibilty of actions, reaction and adaptation is the hallmark of an infantry unit. Historicly from the time of the first citizen soldiers(think Mycenaeans[Trojan War era]) infantry tasks are almost unlimited in variety.

[Creeping Death]

Too true. In the event of this emergency militia being put together with probably not more then a few weeks of training guys would be outfitted with whatever is available. Initially this would be the military's available m-16s agmented with shotguns, rifles and pistols from gunstores the leadership would likely raid before civilians could get in there(hopefully). Then I can only imagine that taking into account available ammunition and materials they'd ration out machine guns, riot shields and battle rifles. Maybe even given a sufficient machineshop start producing easy to manufaure wepaons (AR-18 rifles and/or Sten submachineguns for example) and issuing them to the next class to comlete their basic infantry crash course.

Naturally all these guys would be working together with whatever loadouts they might have. I can vividly imagine how though the Melee troops, Riflemen and Marksman would do the most of the footwork while Snipers & Machine Gunners provide security and the Officer/Med. Tech/Veh. Tech/Drivers and Aux Police maintain an operational headquarters at the vehicals.

Have men assigned to specific jobs but working together combined with planning, rehersal, flexibilty of actions, reaction and adaptation is the hallmark of an infantry unit. Historicly from the time of the first citizen soldiers(think Mycenaeans[Trojan War era]) infantry tasks are almost unlimited in variety.

Damn dude.
Nice Analysis! :clap:

Aside from that:
Every time I read this thread, I imagine the scenery in my mind.
I would definitely fight the zombie ranks, along side my fellow ATZ members.
We'd put up an excellent fight! :shotg::machgun2::guns:

[john154]

There could be a place for Melee troops. Shield and ax would be useful for creating a barrier if necesary when deloying out of a vehical, barricading a street or entering a building. You can imagine where the shotgun comes in.

Side by side 6 foot high transparent shields would not only stop the zeds from being able to reach the troops while they are killed with shotgun and rifle fire but would prevent zombie splatter and reduce infection amoung the militia ranks. The ax would be used for breaching structures and killing in silence prior to an operation "going loud". You could even look at these guys as a manner of "assualt pioneer". Also I was trying to appeal to the "hack and slash crowd".

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r130813_432974.jpg

[Creeping Death]

There could be a place for Melee troops. Shield and ax would be useful for creating a barrier if necesary when deloying out of a vehical, barricading a street or entering a building. You can imagine where the shotgun comes in.

Side by side 6 foot high transparent shields would not only stop the zeds from being able to reach the troops while they are killed with shotgun and rifle fire but would prevent zombie splatter and reduce infection amoung the militia ranks. The ax would be used for breaching structures and killing in silence prior to an operation "going loud". You could even look at these guys as a manner of "assualt pioneer". Also I was trying to appeal to the "hack and slash crowd".

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200703/r130813_432974.jpg


That pic actually looks like a realistic look at what zombies would attack like.
But instead, survivors would have had barriers to protect them, not crappy riot shields.

[Ironzey]

Sure that would work until the dead outnumbered the living. A lot of the folks on the left arent' attacking and they don't want to be hurt. If you take away the attackers fear of pain those cops would be in a world of hurt.

Just one Z getting through, around, over or under would make that line crumble. You could wind up with armor plated zombies. Too risky IMO.

[kiltedninja]

I chose Melee, but I'd prefer being a scout.

Give me a pistol, knife or machete, some food and a tobogan/shield(Tobogan can double as a shield), and a mission, and I'm set.

I'd do whatever I was ordered, but I'd prefer being a scout, go in a group of two, four or eight, all of us armed with the same gear.

I could do the melee though, stand behind a riot shield, phalanx style, use a shotgun or pistol to fire around the shield.

[Nameless1]

I'm going to go with riflemen, or aux policemen I'm not bad with people and I'm not a bad shot but haven't fired a rifle in a while. I do get to the pistol range every so often though.

[Krazymouse]

I would probably be a field medic. I'm really good with bandages and helping with broken bones. Armed with a pistol. And I can also carry a 90 pound pack for 2 miles without stopping. Walking of course.

[the_velociraptor]

Most likely a techie. I've had basic training with handguns, .22 rifles, and mock-ups of an M16A2, but not enough.

[kiltedninja]

Basics are all you're going to remember when the adrenaline hits.

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

I would be the machine gunner because its is something i could do well because i would be able to accuratley shot the weapon

[mrlaughingman]

tech support here reporting in

[Comander Shaw]

Marksman. Could be a sniper but, if my teammates start getting into a FUBAR situation, I don't think I would like to sit up there and watch them and try to help up there.:skull: I would be much more useful out front with them.

[EvilWeasel35]

I chose sniper cos I'm a damn good shot, not that I get much chance of practising in the UK. Failing that I'd be a medic as I have triage knowledge and nearly ended up training to be an army medic when I was younger. I'm also interested in mortuary work and there would probably be corpses to be disposed of, so I'm sure that would be another important job. If a safe zone is established people are going to have to clear the area of the really dead to prevent disease and as I have a caste-iron stomach and could eat my lunch while doing an autopsy that might me a good role for me. To be honest, I'd do whatever needed doing to ensure the survival of the safe zone.

[mattifikation]

There's no option in the poll for electronics salesman. What, we're not useful enough for you?

[john154]

Marksman. Could be a sniper but, if my teammates start getting into a FUBAR situation, I don't think I would like to sit up there and watch them and try to help up there.:skull: I would be much more useful out front with them.

I like the way you roll. I voted Marksman for the very same reason. Commander Shaw you can be in my fireteam anyday of the apocalypse.

[Bob]

Sergeant Weasel

If'n you can make it down here during the Apocalypse I will have the perfect rifle for you.
I am in the process of building a long range rifle in .308
It is based on the same action as the rifle in the picture.
It will have a different stock.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8854/ssadyz0.jpg

[EvilWeasel35]

Sergeant Weasel

If'n you can make it down here during the Apocalypse I will have the perfect rifle for you.
I am in the process of building a long range rifle in .308
It is based on the same action as the rifle in the picture.
It will have a different stock.



Wow! That's quite something! Well, if I get enough advance notice of an impending WWZ then I'll be on the first plane out! I haven't forgotton about your offer of BBQ! :)

[Ball Tripper]

I would likely end up in the role of comedic relief..... I like to think otherwise, but realistically my only use to a group of survivors would be a fat ass to hold against an unbarricaded door as it's getting pounded on. Or raising morale with my truffle shuffle.

[Creeping Death]

I would likely end up in the role of comedic relief..... I like to think otherwise, but realistically my only use to a group of survivors would be a fat ass to hold against an unbarricaded door as it's getting pounded on. Or raising morale with my truffle shuffle.

Haha....
Maybe that'd help some people.
I think happiness is important on z-day. :)

[Bob]

Ball Tripper
Don't sell yourself short.
I bet you would be hell on wheels with
a sledge hammer http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4460/7f8e233a052b4977ae62c9fre3.jpg
or
a double bitted felling axe. http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5002/gbdoublebitmp2.jpg

[Ball Tripper]

I'm big and strong and could hold my own in a fight, I'm smart enough that I wouldn't get anybody killed. But my physical fitness would be a problem if I end up with a group that wants/needs to move fast on foot. I think if my group of survivors gets to the point where a militia starts to reclaim the surrounding area from the zombies, I'll be left behind to hold down the fort.

[bootsy]

im new so i thought i would just put my 2 cents in about a sniper vs zeds OK... here goes ...
if you drop of say a sniper with 200+ bullets and a reliable weapon (personally i go for a bolt action rifle over long range definitely a mosin nagat)) and a spotter with a battle rifle or carbine and extra ammo for the sniper say on top of a building that has been secured from zeds getting on top of then you could in theroy take a serious toll on the local zed population and start winning the war does anyone think this would work?

[kiltedninja]

That does sound like a good idea.
Welcome by the way, but that's a good idea for doing something like reclaiming a city or clearing parts of it.
Personally I'd like to be a sniper on a roof, but I know that I'm not accurate with a rifle past 150 yards or so.
In theory it sounds like the best way, but in practice, you've got zack in buildings, inside cars, woods, places where a sniper's bullet couldn't reach, that's where the CQB people come in. So it would definitely be a good start.

[john154]

Yeah man there is an important place for sniper teams. Keep some slick mofos on the cabs of your trucks or on rooftops wherever you go to cover the Melee, Riflemen and Marksmen as they clear out trouble spots and you've got a done deal. Despite my affinity for being on the ground with a battle rifle there would be times it'd feel good to sit on a roof and kill Zachary Zombie and his home boys from a safe distance while talkin about Star Trek and chewing tobacco.

[kiltedninja]

That's exactly what would be needed when in a city. Get a semi, fill the back with supplies, bolt some chairs onto the top, and off you go, rifles in hand.

[JimiVengeance]

shotgun all the way. ive got no problem being the first out thereclearing out some space for the others :evil:

[Darkness]

shotgun all the way. ive got no problem being the first out thereclearing out some space for the others :evil:

"Sorry, this thread is not about weapons, it's about skills, and which ones you could bring to a hastily formed military group."

"Please keep on topic, thank you." ;-)

[Darkness]

That's exactly what would be needed when in a city. Get a semi, fill the back with supplies, bolt some chairs onto the top, and off you go, rifles in hand.

"If you use those chairs, the kind that they have on the deep sea fishing boats, (Like for catching marlins, sword fish, and such,) that idea just might work." :)

"Don't forget to bring a small stealth crew, incase you need to scavenge something quietly." ;-)

[Corpse Grinder]

Although I'd be an adequate rifleman, I chose melee. I've been swinging axes and sledgehammers for about 25 years for various jobs and I was trained with a PR-24 baton, so I can hold my own for awhile. I'm still strong enough if I have to push 'em or hold 'em back with a shield, trash can lid or even a 2 X 4. And I've had my shotgun since '82 so it's like an utensil to me. I'd rather be up and close with my mates where communication and teamwork would be very important with any offensive moves, defense, search and clear or rescue missions.

[Rogers120]

i would hate to have to be medical personell. your job is basically telling bitten people that you're sorry, that they've a few few more hours(maybe) to live. unless you're taking care of a broken leg or something that there's not much they can do. Anyway i would probably be a marksman. I'm nowhere near a sniper but think a lil higher of myself than a regular grunt.::dunce:

[Noc]

Driver getting my mates in and out
with a Sawnoff on my lap
thats the way

[mattifikation]

These damned poll threads always say there's new posts, when there's only been new responses to the poll.

It drives me nuts.

In case it hasn't been answered, my role would be "Guy who does what it takes to survive." If I went along with some militia group, my job would basically be hired help until a better chance for survival came along.

What would my skill set be? Well, I'd take whatever gun I've got and use it to put whatever bullet it shoots into whatever zombie shambles my way.

[dudeskis]

I'd want to be some sort of leader or strategist. If I can't take charge of a situation and start planning my way out of it I panic. I'm also pretty pragmatic so I'm sure to come up with something that will better to situation for all. Also I'm cold blooded and would put two in my mom's head if she got bit on the pinky.

[RIP]

I'd be a Machinegunner on a tank with a 12 pack of beer strapped to my chest with a straw to my mouth so I could get drunk and shoot some zombies up.:drinking::lol:

[fomyowen]

well either sniper or driver but if there was a choice i would be both :drool:

[theT00L]

if the choice was given i would do scout also i would be carrying scoped rifle, along with something to get up close and personal with the dead:), i would enjoy the going ahead , being in danger element..

[Undead in Vienna]

I've already been a military officer for 17 years; been there, survived that. Two tours in Iraq. Not bad for a woman from Montana! Yeah okay, so I wasn't infantry, but a front-line psychotherapist. Stop laughing! One-quarter of all war casualties are mental health, and it ain't funny!

In a Z-War, I don't wanna give orders and make decisions anymore. Since I'm a disabled vet and can't do a lot of physical stuff anymore, I think I'd do well as a machine gunner; all I have to do is sit there and mow the shamblers down. Since Max Brooks so rightly pointed out that Dachshunds are the best zombie hunters and I raise them, I already have a dozen-strong army of pint-sized, fearless, and tenacious K-9 warriors with Doxie Moxie! So I could work the dogs, too. In a Z-War, it's every (living) person for him/herself!

Best,
Undead in Vienna

[kiltedninja]

There's very few things I can't do, The only one I couldn't do would be Officer or Technician. The rest of them, I could do with some degree of success.

[Birdman44]

I would like to be the marksmen so i could have that big bullet to punch through anything:lol: Dont know how well ide be though, i have yet to shoot a big rifle round sadly.

[UNDEAD FRED]

All officers must have at least 5000 post here, just a reminder.

[Darkness]

All officers must have at least 5000 post here, just a reminder.

"Then I guess I more than qualify." :)

[UNDEAD FRED]

"Then I guess I more than qualify." :)


Yes you have, you allso survived the Land of the Dead wars that happened back in 2006, so veterans are needed

[Chaos Nightbringer]

I'd be riflemen because they're not close enough to get bitten (anybody who picks Melee is a psychopath. But psycho's good sometimes.) yet close enough so aim won't be a terrible problem. Also, these guys need some command ability as well since you'll need to tell people where to move to establish perimeters and interclosing lanes of fire. Guns mean nothing without intelligience to back it up.

[Darkness]

I'd be riflemen because they're not close enough to get bitten (anybody who picks Melee is a psychopath. But psycho's good sometimes.) yet close enough so aim won't be a terrible problem. Also, these guys need some command ability as well since you'll need to tell people where to move to establish perimeters and interclosing lanes of fire. Guns mean nothing without intelligience to back it up.

"How do you think I survived this forum of insanity all these years? I'll tell you now, it wasn't on my good looks, that's for sure." ;-) :lol:

[Comander Shaw]

Marksmen are just as needed riflemen. One is just as good as the other, but marksmen waste less ammo. :zom2:

[kiltedninja]

That's one of the reason I think a lot of Marines or former Marines would survive, is that all of them know how to use a rifle. Then there's the training and discipline.

Anyway, I think it would be cool to be a scout of some sort, I'd wear a blaze orange ninja outfit.

[Wooly]

I picked Driver, due to gun laws we dont have many guns here in Australia, otherwise rifleman or machine gunner would be cool.

[Bob]

I picked Driver, due to gun laws we dont have many guns here in Australia


Y'all used to have lots of guns.
How do YOU feel about what your politicians did?
Do you feel safer?
Not being mean or sarcastic I am just curious.

[homelitexl]

can i be the chainsaw wielding doombringer or is that taken yet

[kiltedninja]

Homelite, that job was RESERVED for you. No one would think of taking that job when your legendary mastery of the chainsaw is mentioned. :lol:

[homelitexl]

well i put you in charge of the haggis and bagpipe devision.

[kiltedninja]

Gotta have the pipes when the zombies show up.

[homelitexl]

great minds think alike don't forget to use a claymore.

[Deadman83]

Officer- I have a good rifle in the N.E.F. Handi-Rifle .223,a selection of good sidearms the most prized being my Smith&Wesson Model's 12-2 (.38 Special with 4-inch barrel),686-6 (.357Magnum with 6-inch barrel),and 617-6 (.22LR with 4-inch barrel).

I know the area around me so well I don't need a map.

Although if a Honda 300 or 500 foot shift ATV was available I could function better as a scout or Long Range Patrol.

[kiltedninja]

great minds think alike don't forget to use a claymore.

I'm sure the opposite is true though.

It'll be like Braveheart all over again. A bunch of hairy men in man skirts with big sharp things. And guns. We need guns.

[homelitexl]

wow i didn't need that mental image but the zeds won't stand a chance.

[Bob]

Hey Captain Weasel

I told you I was building a long range rifle for you to use.
Here it is.
It will be waiting on you when the Zed come.

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/8918/rangeresized.jpg

[kiltedninja]

Can I have one too?

[Bob]

Oh I'm sure we can find something for you.
Up close and personal or long range?
Hopefully the 20 round drum for the shotgun will get here before the zombies.

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5227/m1a010cropresized.jpg
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6503/saigaresize.jpg

[homelitexl]

bob lets see you build me a custom chainsaw.

[mattifikation]

That 20 round drum is for the Saiga right? I thought they were still working on that one. I bet that would get heavy. What's the weight like with a regular hi-cap mag?

[Bob]

Yes it is for the Saiga.
With a full ten round mag it is not bad at all.
The drums have been available since last year sometime.
Mine has finally shipped and will be here Tuesday YAY!

Think about it, 1.25 pounds of lead moving at over 1700 feet per second.
The Saiga is not a shotgun it is a lead delivery system.

[kiltedninja]

I'm sure asking for both would be a little too much... but excess is one of my best skills. I need a rifle and a lead delivery system.

The kick on a Saiga must be the only reason the Russian military doesn't just give everyone a shotgun instead of an assault rifle.

[Bob]

The two of them together might be a bit much to carry.

I doubt the kick is the reason, the size, weight, and range of a rifle ammunition makes it a better overall choice.

However inside it's interval of attack a shotgun is a terrible weapon to face.
The Saiga would be like facing a man with a hand held claymore.

[Engel Des Todes]

The Sniper would be my choice as long as I had a side-arm. Picking off the dead and making sure my comrades don't walk into any surprises would be my pleasure :)

My own personal gear would have to include
1)My Barrette .50 Cal
2)9mm Pistol
3)Machette
4)Assorted Explosives IE Grenades, Claymores, Etc.
5)Survival Kit containing food and anything I would need if seperated from my regiment

[Bob]

Which model Barrett and if you don't mind me asking what did you pay for it?
I'm not even sure I could afford to feed one.

[kiltedninja]

Just remember, shooting at the cherry of a cigarette is bad, if they're smoking, they're alive, if they're alive, they might be your friends. Or me... Then again, if you're a good shot, I may not even know with a .50 cal.

I still have to say that I'd like to be a scout, me and my dog and best friend(His dog too), we'd go ahead of what ever party we've attached ourselves to or accumulated.

[hotlead]

What would be the point of using a .50BMG Barret rifle?

That would be better suited to, and designed for, anti-materiel use on hard targets and stuff. I don't think Zs will be operating AA radar stations or running convoys of supplies.

Anyone know how much a belt of .50cal API weighs ? or the lightest Barret rifle, I think it's the single shot bullpup ?

I know that a scoped standard M1A, 7 20rd mags, and 440rds wieghs about 43lbs. I'd bet that the Barret with 100rds weighs at least that much, which means less than 1/4 of the dead Zs, a vastly lower rate of fire, and an increased possibility of giving away your position for the same weight.

Yeah, I know the .50 gets out to 2,000yds or something, but it was designed to hit APCs and trucks at that distance, not heads. Besides, if Zs are 2,000yds away, then I don't have to worry about them.

So, to stay on topic, If I was in a fire team being overwatched, I'd want our DM to use a repeating rifle in 30.06 or .308, be it bolt action or semi, to cover me and my team mates.

[Bob]

No idea what it weighs but I know what it costs to feed one.
The only shop locally that sell 50 cal gets $8 a shot for it.

[kiltedninja]

I'm not worth an $8 bullet. I'd rather that we use that money to buy some nachos and sort things out like civilized gents, if that doesn't work, then it's used to buy the guaze that we'll be patching ourselves with.

I'd have to say scout because I can carry my own equipment for long distances, and if I'm not carrying gear, then I'm walking at 4mph or so, and I can carry that pace all day long. If I were running, I could do four miles in about half an hour. I'm built for speed more than power.

[homelitexl]

will a 308. count for a sniper rifle.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think I'm pretty well suited for everything in that list except for the sniper and the machine gunner. I have leadership skills, can drive and navigate exceptionally, am a runner and a hiker, a pretty good shot with both pistols and rifles, and have trained with all sorts of blades and melee weapons. Out of everything, I'd be behind the wheel finding a safe place for everyone. And when the car runs out of gas, I'll be hoofing it with my blades at my side and rifle in my arms.

[kiltedninja]

will a 308. count for a sniper rifle.

The Remington M700 is the rifle used by the Marine Scout Snipers, it fires a 7.62x51, which is a little longer than a normal .308, but I'd count it as such.

Another reason I chose scout is that my aim isn't very good after about 100 yards, meaning that even having a rifle that can shoot five times that distance wouldn't make a damn difference to me.

[homelitexl]

well those are the two i would be best for .

[kiltedninja]

Don't shoot me Homelite..

I could also do hard labor, stuff that requires long distance hiking, I'm fairly good at predicting weather for short amounts of time. I take orders well, but can also think. I like pointy and sharp things, and can use the, in a weapon like fashion pretty well.