Your Specialization

[homelitexl]

id wana b surgeon

[CAVU45]

A good leader doesn't get his men into a position where it's an issue.

Not true. A good leader can't determine the circumstances for his men, only lead them through it to the successful completion of the mission. I can't imagine any leader refusing to assault an objective because it's too dangerous. He would make sure his men are highly trained and well equipped, giving them every advantage to make it through the upcoming action. And a good leader would be there with his men.

[CAVU45]

If you had a good leader, you wouldn't have to get that close to begin with.

I don't care what sort of disaster/apocalypse it is. The plan should always be to avoid engagement unless mission protocol requires otherwise. Noise/light discipline should always be observed, and silent running the Modus operandi.

You guys are some aggressive Mo-fos up in here ;-)

No plan is perfect and engagement is always a possibility. While noise/light discipline and stealth may work in one scenario, speed and aggression would be the key to success in another. Different missions, different plans. The only guarentee in combat is that the intel will be wrong.

[Birdman44]

No plan is perfect and engagement is always a possibility. While noise/light discipline and stealth may work in one scenario, speed and aggression would be the key to success in another. Different missions, different plans. The only guarentee in combat is that the intel will be wrong.

"A plan violently executed today is better than a plan perfectly executed a week from now" or however good ol' Patton said it. I'de want to be the co-leader as usual, I like to be in control of situations. If I ever chose to go into a building with my men, I'de want to be first in. To make sure that I'm the one that gets it if I screw up, and to show the men I'm deserving of the position. As well as I would just want to be the first one in so no one else screws up and gets bit.

[Bob]

Wanting to be a leader and thinking you would be a good leader does not mean you WOULD be a good leader.

[mattifikation]

If everyone's a leader, who are the followers? *watches all the kiddies shout "not me!"*

I'd probably end up being some kind of mercenary.

[Faran Brigo]

@Matt - That's exactly what I thought. I wouldn't mind being a follower, honestly, most of what I know is technical, not combat related anyways

[Noc]

I said co-leader because I would want my decisions counted, but in a ZPAW with a bunch of survivors everyone would be a kind of co-leader. So I'd probably be a tag-along, I'd pull my, help kill, cook, build, and fix. But I'd put myself first in the survival part.

If me and another survivor were running from a horde of the undead, they tripped and to save them I had to risk my life... Sorry but your a corpse, because real life wouldn't be like the movies the guy who put himself first would survive the hero would die for no reason.

[the_velociraptor]

I'd be that one guy who annoys everyone else and is killed by zombies halfway through because he couldn't shut his yap.

(( Ssrsly. All I know is basic first aid. ))

[Bob]

In my version of the ZPAW if you are annoying you will be dead unless you have some special skill I value more than your life.

Does anyone know the correct term for a group of Zombies?

Herd = Cattle
Murder = Crows
Gaggle = Geese

Here is a hint, it's actually an acronym.

[IncaWarrior]

I'm an auto mechanic,served in the USMC as a Motor T mechanic. Pretty decent with a rifle and handgun. I have basic survival skills. I'm in excellent overall shape with years of hand to hand combat training. I guess that pretty much sums it up.

[ShotGunGuy93]

I'm VERY knowledgeable when it comes to firearms. If I see a 1911 I say "hey look a 1911" not "oMg no ways iTs a colt 45!!1"

I own alot of firearms (see signiature)

[Patrickwontsurvive]

I am an ok shot and have basic first aid training but I am definitely not medic material. I would probably be a follower because I am usually an agreeable person. however I do have a mind of my own and wont follow someone blindly if their idea sucks. If someone tells me to go search a building that we don't need to and its a risky looking situation I am going to tell said person where they can stick their "orders". Since I am a lot bigger and stronger (powerlifter and strongman competitor) than most people I will probably be serving double duty as "pack mule" as well. :x

[Birdman44]

Well, while were on the subject of listing what kinds of stuff we can do: I can shoot rifles (muzzle loaders, semi auto, bolt action, lever action), pistols (and revolvers), shotguns (pump action, semi auto, and O/U), and compound bows well. I just got cpr certified and am learning the minimal basics to first aid at the time. I'm not that bad with being strong (stronger than all of my friends), but I sure as hell ain't the fastest and I don't have the most endurance either.. I wouldn't give an order that I wouldn't be willing to do, and I would probably prefer doing it myself anyways, e.g.- searching houses, clearing stores, moving.

As to what matt said, I wouldn't mind being a follower to someone I trusted, but if it's following someone that I know wouldn't be good for a situation then I would just be there for myself, I wouldn't listen to them unless I deam it as a good Idea myself..

[angekfire]

I'd probably be a co-leader or guard. I have some fat on me, but not enough to be a hinderance, and I am pretty active regardless. I do kickboxing, Mantis kung-fu, chinese martial arts weapons, and fencing. I've studied european bastard sword & shield tactics, and Kenjutsu. I will be continuing to learn new weapons as time goes on, probably in spring I will start learning either staff, or chinese straight sword. Over the summer I am considering learning some Krav Maga. I'm the best person among my group of friends with melee armed combat. I am generally pretty decent with combat tactics as well.

I'm a pretty fast runner, but only for very short bursts due to asthma (but strong leg muscles). I've got endurance and can outlast most of the people I know in general physically straining activity.

I am a capable cook I suppose. It won't taste great, but it isn't going to make you sick.

[kiltedninja]

I'm fast and have the endurance of an ox, so I could move all day long. And I'm a climber, there's very little I can't climb.

I'm also a fairly skilled wood builder, If given the means of building something out of wood(tools, supplies, space, etc...) then I'm going to build whatever I need to. I'm also good at improvising.

[unnamedbaby77]

I would be comfortable as engineer/cook/soldier/scout/medic

[kiltedninja]

Being a scout is something I'd be able to do given that I can keep myself in one piece. I'm an experienced climber and a good runner, and I'm good at hiding on the fly.

[homelitexl]

i can pee stading up that is my skill

[Dark Comic]

i can pee stading up that is my skill

I'm proud of you, I truly am.

[steve2071]

I'm VERY knowledgeable when it comes to firearms. If I see a 1911 I say "hey look a 1911" not "oMg no ways iTs a colt 45!!1"

I own alot of firearms (see signiature)

You may own a lot of firearms and know what specific model this gun or that gun may be, but all that knowledge is mostly irrelevant in a critical, life-threatening situation. The skills fostered through constant training with weapon systems you are familiar with are far more crucial in keeping you alive at the end of the day.

[kiltedninja]

I'm proud of you, I truly am.

Someone had to say it DC, I'm glad it didn't have to be me.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

i can pee stading up that is my skill

Yeah but can you hit the toilet?

My specialty? I would be the only one to remember toilet paper and as such would be treated like a god. Thats how it was when I went wildland firefighting too.

[kiltedninja]

Man I forgot toilet paper on my last backpacking trip. That sucked.

[Darkness]

My specialty? I would be the only one to remember toilet paper and as such would be treated like a god. Thats how it was when I went wildland firefighting too.

"I'm willing to bet, that 90% of the women remember to bring it." ;-) :lol:

[kiltedninja]

"I'm willing to bet, that 90% of the women remember to bring it." ;-) :lol:

Forgetting toilet paper is a guy thing. We forget it all the time. Women, never(or very rarely).

[Genocide X]

I am a good leader

I am a tactition and strategists.

Concealement is a specialty of mine

I know alot of zombie survival techniques and new ones that many people havent thought of

I am a long distance runner... Ive been known to run 12 Kilometres in about an hour

I can handle a blade fairly well.

Im an edurance expert

Time managment expert

and many others

and Ive been told that Im very smart too

[Genocide X]

I forgot to mention a couple of things

I am quite familiar with some strong psychology

I am knowledgable of the human anatomy

I know the environment pretty well.

I dont fear quickley as others.

I am not a bad shot with a rifle

ahnd to hand combat is a good quality

persuasive skills

Grade A student...

Athletic

[kiltedninja]

Minor spelling errors, but aside from that the list seems pretty advanced. Where did you get those skills though? It could be said that I'm a good tactician but I haven't learned them anywhere, so what good are they?

What do you count as fairly skilled with a blade? A chef is fairly skilled with a blade, a person who carves a stick into a chess piece is fairly skilled with a blade.

What do you mean by 'strong psychology'? that term makes no sense to me at all. I know about some psychology, because I'm taking it at school. Can you tell me about classical conditioning and how Pavlov figured out how it works?

[angekfire]

I also don't think persuasive skills, being a grade A student, or having "strong psychology" (not even sure what that means) are very effective against zombies either.

And yes, I could tell you about Pavlov and his dogs, but I'm not the one making that claim.

[Dark Comic]

What do you count as fairly skilled with a blade? A chef is fairly skilled with a blade, a person who carves a stick into a chess piece is fairly skilled with a blade.

Indeed, as a cook I am rather skilled with blades of many different shapes (We have a habit of dicing tomatoes with a cleaver at work). I feel very comfortable holding one, and like swinging them around. Can I fight with them? I doubt it, and would rather use a bat/crowbar/lead pipe than find out.

[kiltedninja]

I particularly liked that question because I'm a decent knife fighter and I work in a kitchen, so I'm skilled in two ways with a blade.

Genocide, don't feel like this is personal either, we do this to everyone.

[mattifikation]

I cut my fücking thumb while cleaning my knife the other day. I am apparently not skilled with a blade. Incidentally, if you're ever in the market for a pants-shittingly sharp pocket knife, the Smith & Wesson SWAT assisted opener is great.

[homelitexl]

surgeon or prefeshunal smoker

[mattifikation]

c0ck smoker. :lol:

i kid!

[homelitexl]

give me cigaretes and a scalpil and im good

[Darius]

Im good at staying quiet and unseen (stealth) im also pretty good at making plans like how to escape places and stuff if it wasnt for my escape plan me and my buddies would have got our asses kicked hard last friday by a far greater number of assholes. I guess im just good at keeping me and others out of trouble.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Oh college... The only talent I've been exercising lately is my navigational skills. I've been driving me and my friends to parties all over Indiana. Most of the time I just have to look at the street names and map once and I'm good to go.

[Rocketman005]

I trained for this. I have taken maybe 40 courses in audio book on every subject. I know physics like Einstein knew physics, I studied it for 30 years. I am mechanically inclined, not a half bad shot, multi-task well, handle pressure well and think well on my feet.

I can get by on 4 hours of sleep using TM meditation.

I am a computer programmer analyst, network specialist. I know computers.

I am a good driver. I have had over 30 different jobs. I am a trained chef.
I have lived in the bush in below zero temperatures and in a penthouse apartment. I have been rich and poor. I know how to fish. How to drive a boat, a truck, and did the electrical and plumbing in my own house.

I worked for the city in water works and fixed water mains.

I know the secrets of the runes. I am clairvoyant, and intuitive, knowledgeable and a natural born leader. I know people. I know what makes them tick.

In Day of the Dead, (2204) I AM Jake Weber, jack of all trades, master of none, but always with the sense of humor, even at the end of the world.

In every job I ever had in every sport I ever played, I always gravitated to leader. So I assume that I make a good leader. More Kirk than Spock, but like Kirk, I can speak to Spock, without looking stupid, and understand what he is saying.

I can milk a cow, with one hand.

[kiltedninja]

I can milk a cow, with one hand.

That's the only one I even care about, that's awesome.

[mattifikation]

I need a girlfriend with that specialization.

[SWAT Zombie]

do you think rocketman005 and genocide x are the same person? hmmmmm :think:

[mattifikation]

No. Why would I think that?

[SWAT Zombie]

not you specifically. i just see some similarities in their posts. just thinking out loud, so to speak. doesn't matter i guess. my bad

[Dave Of The Dead]

not you specifically. i just see some similarities in their posts. just thinking out loud, so to speak. doesn't matter i guess. my bad

A lot of new members seem to all think the same. Thank you Max Brooks :puke:

When it comes to this stuff, thinking out of the box is a specialization in its own.

[kiltedninja]

I think that they're a conspiracy.:lol:

[homelitexl]

i think in the can

[Dark Comic]

i think in the can

As in, you are an optimist? That is a healthy attitude, but one must never forget that there IS a possibility for failure.

[SWAT Zombie]

er.. no. it means he thinks in the toilet

[kiltedninja]

I think you're right. Homelite is far too straight forward to be an optimist.

[steve2071]

My specialization would be the quiet generic guy in the group that gets bitten at some point and doesn't bother telling anyone. Then, when I start to turn, I'll do my best to create all kinds of problems.

[homelitexl]

As in, you are an optimist? That is a healthy attitude, but one must never forget that there IS a possibility for failure.
wrong
er.. no. it means he thinks in the toilet
ding ding flush wegot a winner yeah i do my best thinkin on the can

[survivor13]

I know survival skills for in the wild, have always been a good shot since the first time i pulled the trigger. i do mma so close combat comes easy. i can hit damn near anything with a shotgun.

[angekfire]

I know survival skills for in the wild, have always been a good shot since the first time i pulled the trigger. i do mma so close combat comes easy. i can hit damn near anything with a shotgun.

It's pretty hard to miss with a shotgun...that's kind of the point.

[kiltedninja]

I know survival skills for in the wild, have always been a good shot since the first time i pulled the trigger. i do mma so close combat comes easy. i can hit damn near anything with a shotgun.

MMA doesn't necessarily mean you're a good fighter. I've seen the stand up game of some of the best, and standing up, I know people who could out-strike some of those guys. There is exceptions though, people like Marcus Davis, Anderson Silva, Machida, Faber, Mike Brown...that's about all the good technical strikers I can think of.

I can hit about anything with a rifle out to about 150 yards, I'm not the best shot, but I know my limits when it comes to anything I do, and I also know how to push it.

[homelitexl]

i can hit the tiolet frum bout 3 feet is that accuracy
lol kiddin
nah
i can shot a 22 pistol bout 200 yds open sites

[Dave Of The Dead]

Show me, please.

[kiltedninja]

I can make crazy people feel less crazy.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I can make sane people feel crazy.

[aattss]

I would be the strategic person. I would help organize who protects what, who builds what, and hopefully, when they take breakes.

[kiltedninja]

I'm enlisting in the Marines a year after I graduate(In six months), I'm looking to do MP and security detail, so that's something else I'm adding for in the near future.

[Creeping Death]

As KiltedNinja is joining the Marine Corps soon:

I am going to be an Army Ranger (possibly) after completion of high school.
Atleast thats my plan for now. :think:

[Zombreach]

In addition to medical skills, I would be valuable when it came time to rebuild. I have built several houses, including heating, plumbing and electrical, and I have gardening skills. I am very organized, but have no desire to lead (since there are so many that would like to be leader, I list that as a big plus!!!:lol:) I also am a bit crazy/strange, or so I am told. I also am very determined and would do whatever it takes to survive!!!

[angekfire]

I also am a bit crazy/strange, or so I am told. I also am very determined and would do whatever it takes to survive!!!

I take that to mean you'd eat your friends if needed.

[unnamedbaby77]

does it have to be for survival ? I always wanted a donner dinner

[SWAT Zombie]

i can juggle and burp in reverse

[Zombreach]

I take that to mean you'd eat your friends if needed.

I wouldn't take their lives, but if they died and I was really hungry... Ehhh---That is really a gross thought! :puke: Of course, if they turned into zombies as soon as they died, then that wouldn't even be an option.

[Zombreach]

i can juggle and burp in reverse

Ahhh... but can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth with your tongue?:lol:

[hotlead]

Ahhh... but can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth with your tongue?:lol:

Which knot would you like?

I've been working on splicing ropes...................

[Bob]

I think I am going to leave now...

[mattifikation]

Anyone can learn to tie a cherry stem into a knot with their tongue. The real question is, can you Eat an entire Cessna? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito)

[CAVU45]

Anyone can learn to tie a cherry stem into a knot with their tongue. The real question is, can you Eat an entire Cessna? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Lotito)

Holy crap! A better question would be, why would you want to?

[mattifikation]

I imagine it would be very filling.

I think that guy's specialization would have been "turning into a zombie and being unstoppable..."

[kiltedninja]

So until today I was pretty sure that I couldn't wear out any of my muscles for longer than twenty minutes. I was wrong, I did it for the first time in my entire 17 years of life. Now I can't walk without a great degree of difficulty until my muscle repairs itself.(which it will, I've just never used the muscle for much more than walking or climbing. Muay thai however, taught me to use it for fighting, and now I've overused it.

http://i752.photobucket.com/albums/xx168/kiltedskin/human-body-muscle-diagram.jpg

The spot where the arrow is is what I hurt.

Anyway, after I'm all fixed up I'm pretty sure that as long as I stay fueled, I'll be able to walk and move for insane amounts of time.

[SWAT Zombie]

Ahhh... but can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth with your tongue?:lol:

no.......... can you? :love::love::love:

[kiltedninja]

SWAT....:lol:

I guess another specialty that I have is that I always think outside of the box.

[homelitexl]

i can add really good i can drive very well are those skills

[Zombreach]

no.......... can you? :love::love::love:

LOL! I have never tried, but Mattifikation says anyone can...:)

KiltedNinja, get your head back inside the box! :lol:

[kiltedninja]

I don't wanna!

[JimiVengeance]

SNIPER all the way =] :drinking:

[weirdenator]

with my team of 6 or 7 people my role is sniper/co-leader (were talking about or zombie day survival teams right?):drinking:

[CAVU45]

SNIPER all the way =] :drinking:

With your shotgun?

[hotlead]

Remember, he can get hits on multiple targets with just one round out of that shotgun.

[Undead Jackal]

I think I would be a soldier because I don't lead and mos likely have friendlys to back me up

[CAVU45]

Remember, he can get hits on multiple targets with just one round out of that shotgun.

That's it!! I almost forgot. See, I'm not that good. Glad to know there are folks around with such mad gun skills. I'll sleep better at night knowing that. Too bad he isn't in the Army. We could've used guys with his skills at Najaf and Taji.

[ZombieGore]

That's it!! I almost forgot. See, I'm not that good. Glad to know there are folks around with such mad gun skills. I'll sleep better at night knowing that. Too bad he isn't in the Army. We could've used guys with his skills at Najaf and Taji.

lol thats what I was just thinking...

[unnamedbaby77]

That's it!! I almost forgot. See, I'm not that good. Glad to know there are folks around with such mad gun skills. I'll sleep better at night knowing that. Too bad he isn't in the Army. We could've used guys with his skills at Najaf and Taji.

LMFAO!!

you just said "mad gun skills"

I am still tearing up from laughing !

[sk8rmichael]

well hey im a boy scout im a very good leader and co leader and im smart and know what im doing lol im also good at shooting and killing things (im a hunter) but i also have decent medical skills first aid so forth and i also follow if some one knows what they are doing and i dont :P but im very short and skinny but hey im fast and manevarable i have alot of skills actualy but for zombies i still got alot but graffiti art dosnt exactly go with zombies:lol: haha any ways thats what id be ;)

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, how old are you though? That's going to play an important factor in how well you're able to do certain things and cope mentally.

[sk8rmichael]

im just about to turn 17 and by mentaly do you mean like a freind dying in my arms kinda mentaly ? or what are we talking about

[kiltedninja]

Like the proper mentality of surviving and the long term effects of combat on your mind. Like knowing that you may well die at any moment. Or just simply doing what you have to in order to survive.

You want my opinion? Most people our age aren't prepared for it at all. I might not even be, I know I'll do what I have to to survive, but I don't know if I could take the long term effects of extensive combat.

[sk8rmichael]

im in about the same position as you are i will do whatever i can to stay alive but i dont know if i could take the stress of combat 24 7 ive only been in fist fights and im only good at killing large animals ive never killed some one or zombie for that matter but im half irish and like a quarter scotish im stuborn as hell and im not gona give up till im dead on the ground but intill that point im gona keep on fighting

[kiltedninja]

Fist fights are one thing, but when you get using weapons is where you learn it. I've seen fights with bats, I've used them, knives, pipes, a chain with a padlock on the end, dangerous things. That's what teaches you to fight when it's life or death.

[sk8rmichael]

ive disarmed some one when they pulled a swtich blade on me :lol: thats about it tho xD dose that count hahah freaking guy tjot he was gona mug me i ruined his day hahah

[CAVU45]

im in about the same position as you are i will do whatever i can to stay alive but i dont know if i could take the stress of combat 24 7 ive only been in fist fights and im only good at killing large animals ive never killed some one or zombie for that matter but im half irish and like a quarter scotish im stuborn as hell and im not gona give up till im dead on the ground but intill that point im gona keep on fighting

OMG!! He went to the Homelite school of english. Or in its proper form, The Homlite skool if amirken.

[kiltedninja]

I think the specialty of a majority(I use this very losely) of people is the ability to adapt.

[mattifikation]

Tell me about it Cav. I haven't even been reading his posts.

[kiltedninja]

I have, but only because I was the one getting him to talk. Now though, I really don't wanna read what he has to say.

[Godspeed69]

I would probably be a soldier i can handle and shoot guns very well, i know where to aim ( some stupid people don't ), im pretty good with melee and i could probably be a scouts bodyguard to go w/ him. im pretty good at fixing things and rigging things like small explosives or tripwire. i know how to make an acid that will burn through your skin in exactly 2.6 seconds and well i used to do crosscountry so i can run alot and far. so yeah i think being a soldier would be good for me

[kiltedninja]

Oh really, do tell us about this acid. I'm intrigued.

[mattifikation]

I think it's fake acid. Everyone's skin is a different thickness and has a different PH level, there's no way you can say down to a tenth of a second how long a particular acid will take to burn through their skin. Anyone who had the slightest idea what they're talking about would know that.

[CAVU45]

I would probably be a soldier i can handle and shoot guns very well, i know where to aim ( some stupid people don't ), im pretty good with melee and i could probably be a scouts bodyguard to go w/ him. im pretty good at fixing things and rigging things like small explosives or tripwire. i know how to make an acid that will burn through your skin in exactly 2.6 seconds and well i used to do crosscountry so i can run alot and far. so yeah i think being a soldier would be good for me

Some stupid people realize they don't know nearly as much about guns as they think they do. Now tell us all about this acid you make. How do you know it will burn through skin in exactely 2.6 seconds? Have you set up experiments to test it?

[mrlaughingman]

engineer here

[Bob]

I wish I was a gun expert.

[mrlaughingman]

oh and i forgot to say gun expert because i just reshot for the airforce and got a marksman medal for it.

[CAVU45]

I shot expert all but one time I qualified in the Army. Still wish I was a firearms expert. I realized long ago that shooting well doesn't make me an expert. It just means I can shoot well.

BTW, did you get your "I made it to work on time 30 days in a row" medal yet?

[kiltedninja]

I specialize in being very analytical and taking my time to think stuff out.

Also, my dad says that I've always been disturbingly level headed.

[unnamedbaby77]

I can shoot straight drunk...I think that's a specialization.

also I was a farrier for a long time so I am great with horses and hooves and pretty much all big animals of the ranch nature
I think horses will be handy in a zombie apocalypse as well because of how mobile they are and how many crazy places they can go

[Bob]

Shooting while drunk?
Well your status just dropped several notches.
Not cool dude.

[CAVU45]

I can shoot straight drunk...I think that's a specialization.

Cue safety slogan.........

[unnamedbaby77]

I didnt say I went shooting drunk...I just said I could ...bb guns are a great tool for comparison

my point is that when drunk my accuracy only drops about ten percent .

I am VERY safety minded trust me(or don't) and even get joshed about being OVERLY cautious with firearms(something that's impossible)

[kiltedninja]

Man I'm not even allowed to have knives when I'm drunk. The fact that I'm in the process of being even more dangerous with a knife, now that I'm doing escrima. My friends are assholes.:cry:

Eh, it's all in the name of safety, when I have firearms, I'm going to have to be even more careful.

[CAVU45]

I didnt say I went shooting drunk...I just said I could ...bb guns are a great tool for comparison

my point is that when drunk my accuracy only drops about ten percent .

I am VERY safety minded trust me(or don't) and even get joshed about being OVERLY cautious with firearms(something that's impossible)

Face it. You stepped in it deep. You admitted to a dangerously unsafe act with a firearm, then attempted to cover it. If you never shot while drunk, how do you know you're accuracy level? If you're as experienced as you claim, then you also know that there is no comparison to be made between BB guns and the real thing. That's like the paintball ninjas claiming to be real snipers because of their proficiency with their marker.

[Bob]

Very well stated Cav

Huck
You well and truly stepped into it. :poo:
This is one of those situations where you just need to man up and take your lumps.
We will eventually forget about it and it will be as though you never did it except in the back of your mind where hopefully the lesson will be laser etched for the future.

Alcohol and gunpowder just don't mix.

I am done now and won't mention it again.

[unnamedbaby77]

I am not into lying ....but I am even LESS into argueing on the internet so whatever you gentleman say

[mrlaughingman]

I shot expert all but one time I qualified in the Army. Still wish I was a firearms expert. I realized long ago that shooting well doesn't make me an expert. It just means I can shoot well.

BTW, did you get your "I made it to work on time 30 days in a row" medal yet?

listen dude your prior arm i am airforce. i know how you guys like to get into petty squabbles with us airman due to the fact that most of you couldn't get into the airforce due to low asvab test scores. lets just agree nt to talk and drop it at that.

[Bob]

I think I missed something.

[kiltedninja]

Nah, just some Airmen talking shit to some Soldiers.

@Laughingman, Low asvab scores? I scored 85 and I'm going Marines, Recon if I qualify. People go into the Airforce because it suits their needs. Just like every other branch.

[CAVU45]

listen dude your prior arm i am airforce. i know how you guys like to get into petty squabbles with us airman due to the fact that most of you couldn't get into the airforce due to low asvab test scores. lets just agree nt to talk and drop it at that.

*LOL* Take a really deep breath boy. If you can't take a good natured ribbing, well then fvck ya. I know all about the Air Force. My father was Air Force. So was my brother and uncle (who flew KC-135s). My son is currently Air Force. I have great respect for those who serve in all branches. I also know that good natured ribbing is part and parcel of military life. BTW, I'd put my ASVAB score against yours or anyone elses.

[CAVU45]

I think I missed something.

Not really. Just a kid who hasn't been in long enough nor has deployed, who doesn't understand the joking that goes on amongst brothers in arms.

[Bob]

Scorch!
Pow!

[homelitexl]

wow hey long time no see bob

[Bob]

Yup
Where ya been?

[mrlaughingman]

Not really. Just a kid who hasn't been in long enough nor has deployed, who doesn't understand the joking that goes on amongst brothers in arms.

well i actually have been deployed and i have been in for 5 years. my deployments have taught me that there is no brotherhood in the military. i got alot of crap from other branches due to the fact that i had better working conditions.

[MadMatt]

I used to own a copy of the Anarchist Cook book...shh don't tell. So I have some memory of homemade explosives. Im good with mechanical things such as cars and I have a oddly natural instinct when it comes to planning for example when I walk into a build or room I start looking at all the possible exits and object that can be used for weapons or barricades call me weird but I do it. I work as a manager at a home depot and I have it all figured out for barricades and weapons when Z-day happens. I am also very good with a firearms. I am would be the leader of my group of survivors without a doubt. Oh and I also drive everyone around me nuts with my z-day talk...lol

[CAVU45]

well i actually have been deployed and i have been in for 5 years. my deployments have taught me that there is no brotherhood in the military. i got alot of crap from other branches due to the fact that i had better working conditions.

Of course there is. Been there, done that. I worked with members from all branches both on the FOB and outside the wire. While true that Fobettes have to work harder for respect, that respect is given if one deserves it. I knew guys who never left the FOB, but performed an essential service and were deeply respected for it. I knew others that never left the FOB and bitched and moaned constantly about their lot in life. Needless to say, they got no respect. The Navy guys were the ones who really took a ragging. The Air Force guys I knew got down in the mud and the crud with the rest of us. Attitude says alot also.

[kiltedninja]

I used to own a copy of the Anarchist Cook book...shh don't tell. So I have some memory of homemade explosives. Im good with mechanical things such as cars and I have a oddly natural instinct when it comes to planning for example when I walk into a build or room I start looking at all the possible exits and object that can be used for weapons or barricades call me weird but I do it. I work as a manager at a home depot and I have it all figured out for barricades and weapons when Z-day happens. I am also very good with a firearms. I am would be the leader of my group of survivors without a doubt. Oh and I also drive everyone around me nuts with my z-day talk...lol

Alot of that shit doesn't work you know.

[KEXZEN]

I was a recon sniper so i can pick off the long ones and i also since i was a kid has had a fasination with fire and ive made plenty off bombs and flamethrowers

[KEXZEN]

well i actually have been deployed and i have been in for 5 years. my deployments have taught me that there is no brotherhood in the military. i got alot of crap from other branches due to the fact that i had better working conditions.
i was a recon sniper in afghan so i lived in the abandoned buildings which was greater than u would think in mine post i found a bed and a case of arab beer

[kiltedninja]

*Sighs* I hope we don't have another one.:doh:

Last 'sniper' that was around here claimed to be a guard at the American Embassy in Somalia, as well as a Royal Marine Sniper. I hope to god you're not another one of them.

[Bob]

Now I could be wrong but if my feeble old mind is not lacking, the US military does not let you keep your issue weapons.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah that's what I was thinking.

[mattifikation]

i was a recon sniper in afghan so i lived in the abandoned buildings which was greater than u would think in mine post i found a bed and a case of arab beer

You claim to be a former Recon Sniper, but you type like a 14 year old. I'm not convinced.

[CAVU45]

i was a recon sniper in afghan so i lived in the abandoned buildings which was greater than u would think in mine post i found a bed and a case of arab beer

Okay. I'm simply going to be blunt. You're a fvucking liar.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I smelled bull:poo: the second I read it.

Anyway, If I qualify, (which based on my Asvab and PT scores I do) When I enlist next year I wanna get into Recon, maybe even Force Recon. That would give me a whole new skill set.

[sparta98]

Honestly I have no skills to speak of. Other than an advanced vocabulary(for a 14 year old) and a large Mental database on military tactics and weapon/vehicles. My advantages are mental :) I'm mostly a wimp with willpower. I also know how to drive a car.

[Bob]

Well in that case when the outbreak happens go to the kitchen and get a fork.
Then stab yourself in the leg with it cuz you will be done.

[CAVU45]

Honestly I have no skills to speak of. Other than an advanced vocabulary(for a 14 year old) and a large Mental database on military tactics and weapon/vehicles. My advantages are mental :) I'm mostly a wimp with willpower. I also know how to drive a car.

All the knowledge in the world is of no use if ti can't be put into practice. I know a few people who can tell you the minutest detail about the AK47. Ask them how to shoot it though and you get the "Huh?" look.

[hotlead]

At least you know what you don't know, that's a much better start than most your age, me thinks.

[kiltedninja]

If I were him I'd start doing some pushups and go for a run. Improve on your weaknesses. I don't have much in the way of military tactics, and I only know the most basic details about what guns I've used. So, to improve on it, I'm joining the marines.

[NTP]

Back on topic.. I am pretty skilled in hand-to-hand combat and i'm a pretty decent cook. I would probably be the entertainer of the group as well

[556superman]

Heavy machinery operation and repair, Electrical construction and maintenance, im a pretty good shot long medium and close range oh and a vast knowledge of explosive compounds

[Pirate Rum]

My role? Well I'm an equipment operator, so if its a civilian, or industrial vehicle, I can drive it. I'll leave the planes and trains for trained professionals.

[zombabe]

What if you don't have one??? I can be really quiet if I'm really scared, but thats about it. I don't even know what skill I'd want to learn that would be helpful.

[Satariel]

My role? Well I'm an equipment operator, so if its a civilian, or industrial vehicle, I can drive it. I'll leave the planes and trains for trained professionals.

I don't think that anybody will be put in the situation to drive a train, so you're in the clear. :)

[CAVU45]

That brings up a good point. I think we all know and agree that if and when the SHTF roads will be like parking lots so movement on them will be damned near impossible. But what about train tracks? Seems to me they might be a good alternative to highways.

[Bob]

Walking down the tracks might be safer than a highway.
Not that the Zed would not follow the tracks but they would fall so much they would become draggers.

[massacre07]

Walking down the tracks might be safer than a highway.
Not that the Zed would not follow the tracks but they would fall so much they would become draggers.

This is completely off topic, but worth mentioning at this point. In Canada we have a trail system which is called the Trans-Canada Trail, and as it's name implies you can use it to get literally anywhere in mainland Canada. It runs through or by many major cities as well as smaller communities.

In Canada I believe this will be the best "road" to use. I do not believe many people will think of using this trail system and it becomes so remote in many areas that unless zombies were following you you could safely camp off trail for a night.

If anyone has heard me saying if I am on my own I will be traveling west, well you will find me on this trail, and I will continue going west until I have to turn around on go east.

Carry on.

[Bob]

Just beware of the living you encounter.
If you have thought of it so have thousands of other people.

[Pirate Rum]

I don't think that anybody will be put in the situation to drive a train, so you're in the clear. :)


That's great news :).

[Bob]

I tried to put this in the most appropriate section to try and conform and avoid deletion.

In a real ZPAW those of you who think Bob and his cohorts are crude azzholes would be only to glad to join our groups.
In real life we are the ones that get things done.
WE are the ones who believe in the classic values of manhood.

My specialty would be as I have said several times before pusher.
Defined not as drug dealer but rather as one who pushes others to do their job.
If there is a group of 5 individuals standing outside the door and 3 are refusing to do their job and help clear the bldg for the good of the entire group do you let them?
Do you beg pretty please help me clear this warehouse.
Do you say it's ok I understand and let them wait outside while 2 people perform the task of 5?
Hell no!
You make certain they understand if they do not do their job they face you!
Be afraid, be very afraid, the Zombies might kill you but there is no doubt about Bob.
Of course you run the risk of being "fragged" but hey it comes with the territory and that is why "arrangements" have been made to deal with "things" if it happens.

If you think Bob is too harsh how would you deal with the scenario?
I will be really interested in hearing your responses.

[SWAT Zombie]

I think if those individuals have previously agreed to do a job that includes clearing buildings, have also agreed that you're in charge and they're obviously capable of carrying out the task then I see no problem with what you're saying. Let's face it, the military can be pretty harsh with soldiers who won't do their job.
But if it's a ragtag group of survivors who've been lucky enough to find each other, band together and are trying to find ways to get through the ZPAW, I don't know that it would necessarily be of benefit to approach it like that. Pushing someone who is not physically or mentally capable of doing a dangerous job is a good way of ensuring the attempt fails. I guess it really depends on the nature of the group you're a part of. Also there's no guarantee you'll be with people you already know or who'll agree to your other "arrangements". An officer in the military pretty much has their government behind them if they want to mete out penalties for dereliction of duty, but in a post-apocalyptic world you may not have the backing to make that approach work.
I also think that the "arrangements" approach might run the risk of causing a civil war to break out within the group, especially if it is of the ragtag variety. You may have arrangements, but so might they. It might just end up leading to a gun fight that destroys the group.

[kiltedninja]

I tried to put this in the most appropriate section to try and conform and avoid deletion.

In a real ZPAW those of you who think Bob and his cohorts are crude azzholes would be only to glad to join our groups.
In real life we are the ones that get things done.
WE are the ones who believe in the classic values of manhood.

My specialty would be as I have said several times before pusher.
Defined not as drug dealer but rather as one who pushes others to do their job.
If there is a group of 5 individuals standing outside the door and 3 are refusing to do their job and help clear the bldg for the good of the entire group do you let them?
Do you beg pretty please help me clear this warehouse.
Do you say it's ok I understand and let them wait outside while 2 people perform the task of 5?
Hell no!
You make certain they understand if they do not do their job they face you!
Be afraid, be very afraid, the Zombies might kill you but there is no doubt about Bob.
Of course you run the risk of being "fragged" but hey it comes with the territory and that is why "arrangements" have been made to deal with "things" if it happens.

If you think Bob is too harsh how would you deal with the scenario?
I will be really interested in hearing your responses.

That's what I say Bob, if you don't do your work, you don't get the benefits. If you can't be there for every job, there's always work to be done somewhere. I very much believe in the 'If you don't work, you don't eat' type of motivation. If you can't fight, you'll help fortify defenses, organize our food or supplies, watch over any kids that may be in the group. Clean, something always needs to be done.

I think if those individuals have previously agreed to do a job that includes clearing buildings, have also agreed that you're in charge and they're obviously capable of carrying out the task then I see no problem with what you're saying. Let's face it, the military can be pretty harsh with soldiers who won't do their job.
But if it's a ragtag group of survivors who've been lucky enough to find each other, band together and are trying to find ways to get through the ZPAW, I don't know that it would necessarily be of benefit to approach it like that. Pushing someone who is not physically or mentally capable of doing a dangerous job is a good way of ensuring the attempt fails. I guess it really depends on the nature of the group you're a part of. Also there's no guarantee you'll be with people you already know or who'll agree to your other "arrangements". An officer in the military pretty much has their government behind them if they want to mete out penalties for dereliction of duty, but in a post-apocalyptic world you may not have the backing to make that approach work.
I also think that the "arrangements" approach might run the risk of causing a civil war to break out within the group, especially if it is of the ragtag variety. You may have arrangements, but so might they. It might just end up leading to a gun fight that destroys the group.

If you're going to be joining a group, you should understand that people in that group will run things a certain way. If you're not willing to comply, or at least explain why you can't do the job and take a new job, then I wouldn't want you in my group.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

Co-Leader or Scout, Co-leader i wont bear the full burden and also i dont need every1 looking up to me just my squad and certain ppl.
Scout i love to be by myself or just 1 other person plus im quiet and stealthy and i like to move around alot and scouts have to do tht alot and i also perfer longrange weapons.

[SWAT Zombie]

If you're going to be joining a group, you should understand that people in that group will run things a certain way. If you're not willing to comply, or at least explain why you can't do the job and take a new job, then I wouldn't want you in my group.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise. If the group is established and you've agreed to do the job, then I don't think it's unreasonable for the leader to expect you to do it and react harshly if you refuse. And if you're not capable, I wasn't suggesting it means you get to take a nap, I was just pointing out you need to be sure the task can be done with who you get to do it.
I was also just pointing out the potential dangers inherent in the "arrangements" approach. As I said, it might just lead to a situation where nobody survives.
And, of course, if you're an outsider you need to comply with the group, but disagreements don't always come from the outside.

[Bob]

If it is a ragtag bunch of 5 guys who met on the road a couple of days ago, well I have already said it's 3 to 2.
What would happen would not be known unless I was in the situation.
It's at that point you have to really know the other guy willing to do his part.
Will he back up your play or will you be faced with a showdown with 3 armed individuals?
How do you handle this
Do you shoot one of them to show the other two you mean business?
Which one do you shoot?
The biggest?
The best shot?
Do you beg them to help?
Do you whine at them till they give in?
Do you give up the clearing and move on with them?
Once these three have proven they can face you down of what value would you be to the group?
Will they think they can refuse to do anything they don't want to?

If your group is a bit more organized would you really want to put them on trial?
If they were put on trial what would the penalty be?
Banishment so they can sneak back in the night and cause a problem?
Death?

Just because you are afraid does not disqualify you from doing something.

[SWAT Zombie]

Just because you are afraid does not disqualify you from doing something.

Maybe not, but just because the 2 people think something should be done it doesn't mean the other 3 have to agree. They might have their own ideas on what to do and be just as sure about it as you are. It may not necessarily be about being afraid. They just might not agree with the course of action. If you're a military unit with a clear leader then that's different. If you're a group of 5 guys who've come across each other during a ZPAW, I think threats of violence won't help the situation. And what happens if two equally determined, equally tough alphas have different ideas on what to do? I'm not saying that there's no room for coming down hard at times, but I just think it's not necessarily always the way to go.

[Zombreach]

Maybe not, but just because the 2 people think something should be done it doesn't mean the other 3 have to agree. They might have their own ideas on what to do and be just as sure about it as you are. It may not necessarily be about being afraid. They just might not agree with the course of action. If you're a military unit with a clear leader then that's different. If you're a group of 5 guys who've come across each other during a ZPAW, I think threats of violence won't help the situation. And what happens if two equally determined, equally tough alphas have different ideas on what to do? I'm not saying that there's no room for coming down hard at times, but I just think it's not necessarily always the way to go.

You can't have two alphas in the same group. It wouldn't work.

[SWAT Zombie]

I mean alpha types. Maybe that means the top dog job needs to be decided then and there, but a potential firefight IMO wouldn't help.

Once these three have proven they can face you down of what value would you be to the group?
Will they think they can refuse to do anything they don't want to?

I understand that's a problem if you are already the established leader, but if not, if you are just a group of guys who met up while on the run then why should they agree to what you say if they have strong opinions to the contrary? Moving on might be the best thing to do in that case. They could be asking themselves the same question, what value do they have if you can intimidate them into doing what you want? A group like this, I think, is the type you need to earn respect from. Nobody has the automatic right to lead.

[Bob]

Swat
Nice job of twisting the situation to one where you seem to win.
Now answer my original question.

Zombreach
You are right.
Real Alpha males will have a problem with each other.
Eventually there will be a problem.
Man is a herd animal so hopefully a pecking order will be established without resorting to to gun play.

[SWAT Zombie]

I'm not trying to win, I'm stating an opinion and which question are you refering to?

[Bob]

Looked like it to me.

If you think Bob is too harsh how would you deal with the scenario?

[SWAT Zombie]

I was just trying to get across that things aren't always black and white. After all, I did say I agreed with you in certain situations.

And I said earlier that moving on might be the best thing to do. It really depends on the situation and the people involved though.

[Bladehunter]

Can't remember If I posted here, but I've do research into knife making and have made myself a machete. I also train with my blades on a regular basis.

I'm also a member of the local shooting club and technically i have my own shotgun, My dad has a 30-30 lever action that used to belong to my grandmother. So I'm well equipped, and my house is out in the woods so less zombies(I hope) will be around. And I also have friends who are aware of what to do in case of zombie outbreak. so I feel like I'll have a competent team.

We will probably share the responsibility.

[Breeno]

My first post, well here goes.

Being 17, I'm not going to have too many skills at my disposal, but I am a decent shot, and have a fair bit of martial arts training. Being a pretty smart guy (I hope that doesn't sound arrogant), I've been known as one of them guys who has a general idea about a lot of things, without mastering any one topic. I'm a relatively quick learner, and I think within a group if someone took some time to train me in a certain aspect I could become very good, or I can work things out for myself.

I'm also really into Psychology (plan to study it at university), so I think I could conduct some basic experiments and observations on the Zeds.

Not a very good skill set I know, but I think I could convince people I'm useful.

[Bob]

OTAY Swat
Let me be more explicit.

You belong to a group of 50 men women and children.
You are in charge of a team of 5 men sent to clear a costco.
You know there are some zed inside but the doors are intact.
You arrive with your team, 3 of them decide they don't have to do what you say.
Even though you judge that the five of you will be able to handle the situation they refuse to go in and risk their lives.
Why do they have to risk their lives, where the hell is the Group Leader, why is he not here, they just don't want to do it.
They want you to agree to lie and say the Costco was overrun and leave it for someone else to clear.
The fifth guy agrees with you that y'all can handle it.

What do you do?

Personally I might shoot one of them in the head to convince the other two I meant business.
The Zed might kill them but if they didn't go in Bob most would kill them no doubt about it.
But then again a threat might be enough...

[SWAT Zombie]

In this situation if the rules were clear, if they knew the deal before they went, if the group or group leader has endorsed how things work and they know how you operate, then yes, you may be justified in doing what you said you would, especially if there are women and children to think about. Hell even if it's just you as team leader telling them how you operate and they understand that then I can still see the logic in that. As I said, in an established leadership I can see it being viable. Your original scenario was just not fully clear to me.
It still may not be how I would handle it if there is other people who can and will do it but then again, if people I cared about were at risk I may just change my mind.

[Bob]

Yes this is their assigned position in the group.
They have been given this position because they are young (twenty somethings) and in good health.
They knew the deal before we left camp for the costco.

Lets say they are green and have only been on one previous mission.

Would this make a difference?

[SWAT Zombie]

They are grown men and were made to understand how refusal to do what they agreed to would be dealt with. They knew the score so they take the consequences, just like in the military.

[Breeno]

Telling them to "nut up or shutup" might work. :p

[Bob]

Exactly!

Oh and changing the rules to win is ok when it is done in fun, it just forces me to be more specific.
It was good enough for James Kirk and is good enough for me...

[SWAT Zombie]

Well James Kirk is the man :drinking:

But just to be clear, I agreed with a scenario like that from the start. It just wasn't fully clear to me what you meant at first, is all. I'd never play games here, Bob. I've seen what you guys do to trolls and noobs. :scare:

[kiltedninja]

Can't remember If I posted here, but I've do research into knife making and have made myself a machete. I also train with my blades on a regular basis.

I'm also a member of the local shooting club and technically i have my own shotgun, My dad has a 30-30 lever action that used to belong to my grandmother. So I'm well equipped, and my house is out in the woods so less zombies(I hope) will be around. And I also have friends who are aware of what to do in case of zombie outbreak. so I feel like I'll have a competent team.

We will probably share the responsibility.

What style do you train in with those blades?

PS. Bob, I don't think shooting one would necessarily solve it in all situations, but in the one you described with the Costco, I'd pretty much do the same if I were in that position.

[zbuddy]

Bob,

I agree with the majority of what you stated, as it seems practical. However, I do foresee some issues. For example, put yourself in the other guys' shoes. If I were one of the three dissenters, and you shot one of them, the SECOND you turned your back to me you'd have a hot piece of lead flying through your skull. If you kill one, I would assume that you would have to kill the others if they are companions. Also, your sense of manlyness/manhood or what have you may prove to be problematic. Pride can, and will, get you killed. As a real life anecdote for this, I can present a situation where it was high stress situation, although not even close to a zombie pandemic (what does ZPAW stand for?). I was in the desert, and ironically, the individuals who were mostly from the south and had big attitudes (I HAVE A MONSTER TRUCK AND BRUSH MY TEETH WITH GASOLINE!!!!!! RAWR!!) were by far the first ones to go catatonic or flip-out. This is not real data, but it certainly made me think a lot more.

I personally feel that you have human nature nailed down, but I just wanted you to be cautious, although I do not foresee you being foolhardy from reading the limited amount of posts that you have made here since I've found the page!

[SWAT Zombie]

ZPAW is Zombie Post Apocalyptic World.

[Bob]

The whole point of my post was to show that every group needs a mean ol' Sarge to make the troops do what the commander tells them to.

The military goes ape when a lawful order is not obeyed in a combat situation.
Admittedly they don't generally shoot the offender on the spot but the punishment is harsh.

It's called "fragging" the term was popularized in Vietnam although it has been going on since time immemorial.

As for me?
Who knows how I would react against the zed.
The thing to keep in mind is simply I have no fear of dying that got burned out years ago.
Enough close calls and you start to believe you will go when it is your time and not before.

[zbuddy]

Damn, sorry about that Bob. I only read the last page or two of posts. The whole 90345page threads lose their initial lust, I would assume. I agree 100% that a leader or some sort would be an absolute must. The "Ol' Sarg" would probably be the best because of simplicity and urgency. You will not have time for a democratic vote when zombies are shuffling around eating brains.

To be honest, I am quite surprised that there is not a thread dedicated to handling small group problems. I think strife would be just as much as a threat as a zombie in a ZPAW

[hotlead]

To be honest, I am quite surprised that there is not a thread dedicated to handling small group problems. I think strife would be just as much as a threat as a zombie in a ZPAW

There have been several attempted, they always get merged into some anomalous, monolithic thread, to be swallowed up and never seen again.

[kanUsurvive]

Bob you just seem like you have power control issues. Your wife got you by the balls or something? You looking forward to a zpaw so that you might be able to tell some young guy what to do. Your old man and old school. Things don't work like that anymore. In a zpaw if your not in the military there isn't gonna be military type rules. If someone doesn't want to do something you can't make them. Sure if they said "let's go clear that costco." Then they get there and don't want to. You can't really make them. If you shoot one like you said you will. What does that prove? (by the way we can't talk about killing living humans on here, like you did) You seem like you would be the type of guy like Cooper. From Night of the Living Dead 1968. I'm not trying to start up a conflict. I'm just stating what I see. It's not gonna be some fairy tale Bob runs up takes control and saves the day. It's gonna be no control and everyone going insane. Then when there is more zeds than people. Sure somebody might need someone to look up to. The survivors are gonna be the hardcore. It won't be so easy to take control. Someone out there is always badder and more equipped. Plus if you got an attitude like cooper. Nobody is gonna wanna be in your group. It would just bring the morale down. There in a world without rules and without order. They are not gonna listen to anybody. Maybe kids and some women. A grown man I highly doubt it. A lot of women are stronger now days too. They are not gonna take it.


My skills are that I'm fast and have endurance. I also have MMA training. I would prefer to be in small groups. With people who will listen to each other! I have some firearm experience. I'm no crack shot. I'm very familiar with the mountains though. I'm also very sneaky. I could steal easily from larger groups that I run across.

[hotlead]

Bob you just seem like you have power control issues. Your wife got you by the balls or something? You looking forward to a zpaw so that you might be able to tell some young guy what to do. Your old man and old school. Things don't work like that anymore. In a zpaw if your not in the military there isn't gonna be military type rules. If someone doesn't want to do something you can't make them. Sure if they said "let's go clear that costco." Then they get there and don't want to. You can't really make them. If you shoot one like you said you will. What does that prove? (by the way we can't talk about killing living humans on here, like you did) You seem like you would be the type of guy like Cooper. From Night of the Living Dead 1968. I'm not trying to start up a conflict. I'm just stating what I see. It's not gonna be some fairy tale Bob runs up takes control and saves the day. It's gonna be no control and everyone going insane. Then when there is more zeds than people. Sure somebody might need someone to look up to. The survivors are gonna be the hardcore. It won't be so easy to take control. Someone out there is always badder and more equipped. Plus if you got an attitude like cooper. Nobody is gonna wanna be in your group. It would just bring the morale down. There in a world without rules and without order. They are not gonna listen to anybody. Maybe kids and some women. A grown man I highly doubt it. A lot of women are stronger now days too. They are not gonna take it.


My skills are that I'm fast and have endurance. I also have MMA training. I would prefer to be in small groups. With people who will listen to each other! I have some firearm experience. I'm no crack shot. I'm very familiar with the mountains though. I'm also very sneaky. I could steal easily from larger groups that I run across.

If nothing else you've displayed here will get you killed in the ZPAW, your last sentence sure will.

[Breeno]

Bob you just seem like you have power control issues. Your wife got you by the balls or something? You looking forward to a zpaw so that you might be able to tell some young guy what to do. Your old man and old school. Things don't work like that anymore. In a zpaw if your not in the military there isn't gonna be military type rules. If someone doesn't want to do something you can't make them. Sure if they said "let's go clear that costco." Then they get there and don't want to. You can't really make them. If you shoot one like you said you will. What does that prove? (by the way we can't talk about killing living humans on here, like you did) You seem like you would be the type of guy like Cooper. From Night of the Living Dead 1968. I'm not trying to start up a conflict. I'm just stating what I see. It's not gonna be some fairy tale Bob runs up takes control and saves the day. It's gonna be no control and everyone going insane. Then when there is more zeds than people. Sure somebody might need someone to look up to. The survivors are gonna be the hardcore. It won't be so easy to take control. Someone out there is always badder and more equipped. Plus if you got an attitude like cooper. Nobody is gonna wanna be in your group. It would just bring the morale down. There in a world without rules and without order. They are not gonna listen to anybody. Maybe kids and some women. A grown man I highly doubt it. A lot of women are stronger now days too. They are not gonna take it.


My skills are that I'm fast and have endurance. I also have MMA training. I would prefer to be in small groups. With people who will listen to each other! I have some firearm experience. I'm no crack shot. I'm very familiar with the mountains though. I'm also very sneaky. I could steal easily from larger groups that I run across.

While I agree with some of what you said, re: not just walking around shooting everyone who doesn't agree with you, but if this man has agreed to be a part of a team to clear out a costco and then refuses to go in, they add nothing to the group. The group needs to work together in order to survive, and in order to survive, you're going to need supplies. How pissed off are the rest of the group going to be if you go back with nothing because a couple of guys were so self-centred as to agree to go in the first place, and then make it even more difficult by refusing to help once you're already there.

If they're not aiding the group, they're just spongeing your resources, you can't afford to have a fully fit male, or even females and children doing too much of that. I'll say again, if they're not aiding the group, what good are they?

[Bob]

Kanusuck

I am going to ignore you as you are unworthy of any sort of response.
That has been proven.

[SWAT Zombie]

The whole point of my post was to show that every group needs a mean ol' Sarge to make the troops do what the commander tells them to.

That, Bob, we definitely agree on.

[kanUsurvive]

haha You guys are funny. I was taking your side swat. I guess you can listen to the old man. People still have a right to refuse whatever they want. You say you will have an unfit group if people don't do what you say. That is basically what I'm getting from it. You can't have a fit group if everyone hates the leader because he is an arrogant asshole either. If your in a room full of people and one is bossing and trying to be the almighty then nobody is happy. If you let everyone have a say so and voice their own thoughts. Then you will have a group of people that will succeed.

I will be a victim from stealing from a group? Only if I get caught. Look at the dumb biker gang from Dawn of the Dead 78. That's gonna be all of you guys. I find it pretty easy to steal from a bunch of drunken idiots. A small group good at what they do. Is way better than a large group of fools.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, because all groups are instantly dumb just because they're large.

In all honesty, if a group is large it's probably because they're really, really good at not having their numbers picked off. And if that's the case, they're probably also really good at defending their stuff.

You think you're the best? You think you're the best ever? Do you think that you would never get caught, ever, regardless of who you tried to steal from? If you do, and you're right, then you'll survive. In reality though, that probably isn't the case and somebody would end up shooting you in the first week.

[kanUsurvive]

I never said I was the best ever. You have to scout the group first. If they look good and know what they are doing. Then you leave them alone and move on. I never said all large groups were dumb either. Maybe they think that it is safer in numbers. Maybe a lot of them have been killed off. A large group brings noise. Which zeds and other ppl would hear. A small group can move quitely and efficiently.

[SWAT Zombie]

haha You guys are funny. I was taking your side swat.

When I told Bob that I agreed with him I was referring to one of his earlier posts saying that he thought every group needs a mean ol' sarge to keep the group going. I wasn't talking about what he said about you. If you look at my post you'll see I have quoted what I was responding to.

[CAVU45]

haha You guys are funny. I was taking your side swat. I guess you can listen to the old man. People still have a right to refuse whatever they want. You say you will have an unfit group if people don't do what you say. That is basically what I'm getting from it. You can't have a fit group if everyone hates the leader because he is an arrogant asshole either. If your in a room full of people and one is bossing and trying to be the almighty then nobody is happy. If you let everyone have a say so and voice their own thoughts. Then you will have a group of people that will succeed.

I will be a victim from stealing from a group? Only if I get caught. Look at the dumb biker gang from Dawn of the Dead 78. That's gonna be all of you guys. I find it pretty easy to steal from a bunch of drunken idiots. A small group good at what they do. Is way better than a large group of fools.

What I basically got form Bob's post was that there would be a definate pecking order in a group, not that he would be leading it, and that there would be orders issued that must be followed for the good of the group. I don't see a democracy working in a PAW. Too many chiefs will accomplish nothing but arguing among themselves. Clear roles would have to be established and leaders chosen who must be obeyed. Simple as that. You are correct that an arrogant asshole won't be followed. But then again, that type would never be chosen for leadership anyway.

So were all like the drunken bikers from DotD78? You either have a very low opinion of others or a very high opinion of yourself. Any group I belong to wouldn't be a drunken mob. Size has nothing to do with a groups readiness either. Iv'e seen small groups that couldn't find their asses with both hands, a map, compass and flashlight. I've also seen large groups that were given a wide berth due to the simple fact they looked like they knew what they were doing and were ready for anything. It's all in the leadership of the group and how the group reacts to that leadership.

So, let me ask you a question. What happens in your group by consensus if someone decides they don't want to do the job the originally agreed to do? And please dont give me the line that it won't happen.

[Bob]

Well I am about done with this.
Way to many people missed the point.
The point was a bad situation and what would YOU do.
How would you handle it.

Instead of answering the question you pick it apart.

Don't you get it?

Middle management which is me are the bad guys.
I am the guy who fires people (actually not anymore hr takes care of it)
Top management are big picture guys who don't get their hands dirty.

""" Bob take an entry team and go clear Cost-Co """

[SWAT Zombie]

I get where you're coming from now, Bob. I think initially I just misunderstood what you wanted. I thought you wanted opinions on your method. My bad. I guess I just didn't read your initial post properly. With the amount of posts I sometimes read through it happens at times.

I've never been in the military and I've never been in charge of anything more than the broadcast of a community TV station (much, much easier than one might think) so I can't know for sure what I'd do. In all likelyhood if I was there I'd be one of the team, not leading.
But if there was time and the task doesn't require immediate attention, I might go back and get someone who is willing to do the task, assuming there are others capable of it, and deal with the ones who refused later. If that means relieving them of their weapons at gunpoint with the one that backs me up then that may be what I'd do. Of course the downside of that is now we have prisoners that other people will have to watch instead of protecting the group and watching for zeds so I can see where Bob's method would be more efficient. Of course it also depends on how many shooters you have and if you can spare them.
Also I guess with me I think it depends on who they are and what they're actual reason is. But if it is as Bob presented it, just self centred refusal, a harsh response would be in order. Whether it be banishment or 'neutralisation'. In my case, I think I'd go for banishment with a lethal force policy if they are seen following or tracking the group, unless of course they are deemed too much of a risk. I think that the threat of banishment may also be a good deterrent and that itself may be enough too. Being sent away unarmed and possibly unsupplied may be more frightening to people than a quick death by gunfire.
But then again, if I was in charge it would probably be because I'm not quite the same person I am now so I might react differently. If I had family back at the group who I was eager to get to safety I might not tolerate the refusal as much as I might otherwise.

[unnamedbaby77]

Well I am about done with this.
Way to many people missed the point.
The point was a bad situation and what would YOU do.
How would you handle it.

Instead of answering the question you pick it apart.

Don't you get it?

Middle management which is me are the bad guys.
I am the guy who fires people (actually not anymore hr takes care of it)
Top management are big picture guys who don't get their hands dirty.

""" Bob take an entry team and go clear Cost-Co """

Amen! I doubt my group will be having any command issues as we are all OLD friends and have similar training(assuming my group actually gets together as planned)

That being said I cant believe how many people base opinions on movies...AMAZING!

[CAVU45]

Amen! I doubt my group will be having any command issues as we are all OLD friends and have similar training(assuming my group actually gets together as planned)

That being said I cant believe how many people base opinions on movies...AMAZING!

Pretty scary isn't it? Far too many will post, "But Max Brooks says..." or "In the ZSG..." or "Well, In DotD the people did..."

[unnamedbaby77]

spooky! considering that most aren't stupid but misguided....that's a Very spooky thought

I mean video games and movies give you scenarios to consider and discuss, but as far as realism goes your better getting real tactical/strategic training...there is no substitute for "Live" experience

[hotlead]

The folks who want to have a discussion and vote on everything the group does, and doesn't see why working within a chain of command is neccessary need to realize a few things.

Many times in a crisis decisions need to be made quickly. Very often there isn't time to get everyones opinion, pool those opinions, present them to the group, discuss, and vote. Lives and objectives are in danger of being lost to wasted time, a foraging party may be cut off and needing rescue. Instead of a leader grabbing people and forming a plan, you ask for volunteers and opinions on the best way to save them. While wasting time getting people to cooperate, the foraging party is killed, and all the supplies they gathered are destroyed, and no one in the whole group eats that night.

Everything that is brought back to the group, food, tools, medical, weapons, clothing and shelter, was won by someone risking their life. Going in and clearing buildings brings a few possibilities, a place to hole up in a secure, sheltered place, finding food and supplies, ensuring no badguys are hiding in there, and getting the people clearing the building killed.

The people in your group who are benefiting from being part of the group without putting out for the group, are taking advantage of those who can get killed providing every minute of security, every can of peas, and every bandaid the group has. If you're going to be part of a group, you need to make known your abilities, participate in the survival of the group and get ready to carry a rifle and be told what to do in exchange for the saftey of the group. Everyone needs to do all they can to keep you alive, and you need to do all you can to keep the group alive. If you don't contribute to the group, you just use supplies other people who do provide for the group need to get the job done.

Not everyone has to be an aggressive zombie hunter, but you do have to put out at game time.

[kiltedninja]

I don't know if they'd be dead, but anyone who ignored orders would be treated harshly.

KanUsurvive. Biker gangs aren't something to fvck around with, they'll kill you for looking at you wrong. Your MMA training won't amount to shit when they start beating you to death with hammers. I know that if you were caught stealing in my group, we'd ambush you, hang you up in a tree by your feet(probably in your sleeping bag too) and beat you with whatever we had handy. After which time, we'd take all your supplies and leave you for dead in the tree, but not very far from the ground.

Punishment in a world where Anarchy reigns supreme could be very harsh.

[kanUsurvive]

I don't know if they'd be dead, but anyone who ignored orders would be treated harshly.

KanUsurvive. Biker gangs aren't something to fvck around with, they'll kill you for looking at you wrong. Your MMA training won't amount to shit when they start beating you to death with hammers. I know that if you were caught stealing in my group, we'd ambush you, hang you up in a tree by your feet(probably in your sleeping bag too) and beat you with whatever we had handy. After which time, we'd take all your supplies and leave you for dead in the tree, but not very far from the ground.

Punishment in a world where Anarchy reigns supreme could be very harsh.


You say that you would treat them harshly. How do you know you won't be the one treated harshly?

I didn't say my MMA training would help with about 50 bikers. I just said that was some of my specialization. I'm glad your confident in your group there ninja. Who is to say that when my group went on raids we wouldn't catch you guys sleeping and string you up in your sleeping bags? If stealing and looting is something that has to be done to survive. I would do it. I'm not saying I wouldn't eventually get caught by another group. It's something that would have to be done. All of us would have to eventally. It's not like everytime you need something it's gonna be there with nobody around to stop you.

I'm guessing a lot of you guys have never played team sports? In a group everyone does have to work together and make decisions. I know there will times when quick decisions have to be made. That's when trust comes into play. If you build a good relationship out of trust with your party. Quick decesions can be made by a few rather quickly. If there is no trust in the group because of a tyranical leader. The group is gonna fail hard. It has been proven throughout history.

[unnamedbaby77]

this is getting ridiculous...

on topic I have a very large affinity for and collection and amount of experience with gear(holsters, sheaths, straps and the like)
so one of my specializations is arming and outfitting people like...an armorer?

[angekfire]

You say that you would treat them harshly. How do you know you won't be the one treated harshly?

If someone wasn't following orders, they are free to leave the group. It is that simple. They follow order. They don't like it, they can try to survive without the group.

I didn't say my MMA training would help with about 50 bikers. I just said that was some of my specialization. I'm glad your confident in your group there ninja. Who is to say that when my group went on raids we wouldn't catch you guys sleeping and string you up in your sleeping bags?

Anyone with half a brain would set up guards 24/7, and people would sleep in shifts. If everyone in your group was asleep, the leader is obviously an idiot. So odds of being caught with the whole group asleep are slim to none. And KiltedNinja obviously knows that this type of thing needs to be done.

I'm guessing a lot of you guys have never played team sports? In a group everyone does have to work together and make decisions. I know there will times when quick decisions have to be made. That's when trust comes into play. If you build a good relationship out of trust with your party. Quick decesions can be made by a few rather quickly.

By this statement, I am wondering if you have ever played team sports. The team captain or coach usually comes up with a plan and everyone is expected to pull their weight. Yes, things may not go according to plan and you need to improvise, but there is at least an overall game plan. And with zombies around, you don't have the option to call a time-out and huddle to come up with a plan why the zombies wait around patiently.

If there is no trust in the group because of a tyranical leader. The group is gonna fail hard. It has been proven throughout history.

Not all leaders are tyrannical. Just because someone is in charge doesn't make them a tyrant. It makes them a leader. And you can have a charismatic leader who people WANT to follow, and know it is in their best interest.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I just want to remind everyone here that one of the main reasons why the UDS&D section was closed for a long time was that people started talking about killing other live humans, not zombies. Its not my rules, but the rules here at ATZ. It is like living in a undead world you got to follow some basic rules to increase your chance for survival, so lets keep this part of ATZ open please.

[SWAT Zombie]

I think the mistake some of us have made, including myself, is taking Bob's original post as saying that if someone disagrees with him he'll shoot them. Where he says that refusal means that they'll have to face him is a concept I've been told about by people who have served, as well as something I've read about, when describing commanding officers and non-coms. It doesn't necessarily mean they will shoot you if you fail to do your duty, but it might if you push your luck too far. I think in combat situations the type of trust that negates the need for threats is something that might happen over time, but before that, when you have inexperienced troops who full trust hasn't been extablished with yet, harsh actions and words might be required. Look at how they treat new recruits in basic training. They bellow at them, work them to the point of breaking and mete out harsh punishments for failing to follow orders. I stand by what I said about a group of people who have met up on the road not being the place to enforce your will but it's been made clear to me now that that wasn't what was being suggested. In an established group with an established hierarchy discipline and order need to be maintained.

And the stealing from a large group thing. I don't know, I might even consider trying to make contact and join them if I came across them. I'm not saying I'd make myself visible straight away and ask to be friends. I think if I came across such a group I'd watch them and try to figure out what kind of group they are. If I wasn't sure, I'd move on, try to find supplies elsewhere. If things were desperate and I was out of food, ammo and needed medical help I might just take the chance and reveal myself, carefully, and hope I don't regret it.

[kanUsurvive]

If someone wasn't following orders, they are free to leave the group. It is that simple. They follow order. They don't like it, they can try to survive without the group.



Anyone with half a brain would set up guards 24/7, and people would sleep in shifts. If everyone in your group was asleep, the leader is obviously an idiot. So odds of being caught with the whole group asleep are slim to none. And KiltedNinja obviously knows that this type of thing needs to be done.



By this statement, I am wondering if you have ever played team sports. The team captain or coach usually comes up with a plan and everyone is expected to pull their weight. Yes, things may not go according to plan and you need to improvise, but there is at least an overall game plan. And with zombies around, you don't have the option to call a time-out and huddle to come up with a plan why the zombies wait around patiently.


I will be the one to be big enough to stray away from these arguements. I guess there will always be know it alls.


To the guy who was talking about the sheaths and all that. That is a good skill to have. I have a friend who enjoys making all kinds of things like that. He is really good at it. A guy like that is always handy to have around.



Not all leaders are tyrannical. Just because someone is in charge doesn't make them a tyrant. It makes them a leader. And you can have a charismatic leader who people WANT to follow, and know it is in their best interest.

I did not say all leaders are tyranical. I said it is proven that a lot of tyrants ruin their countries and fail.

I played football from 8 years old until graduation. I played soccer and basketball also. I was saying when zombies attack call a huddle. I was using team work as an example. Good leadership and respect goes a lot further than forcing people into situations.

I never said that people would always be asleep at the same time. What if the one person on guard falls asleep or is snuck up on and taken out? That is why I said SCOUT the group or place you are gonna loot from. Not just run in there without a plan. Yeah, and I'm sure ninja is just the ultimate survivor and knows everything??

I know the rules. It wasn't me saying I would kill someone. That was ninja and bob. They obviously don't know the rules.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I wasnt getting on any one person about the rules, I just remembered when the UDS&D section was closed for a long time. A lot of people enjoy this section, its a fun read. But going by movies like Dawn of the Dead 04, the people you will be thrown in with will be by chance, You wake up one morning, head to work, and bam! its zombie apocalypse time. You will probilly met up with other survivors heading to the mall. You will have idiots like Steve, hopefully you will have ones like Ken, CJ, Michael, hopefully Anna:roll: Now slow Romero shamblers is a different story.

[CAVU45]

You say that you would treat them harshly. How do you know you won't be the one treated harshly?

I didn't say my MMA training would help with about 50 bikers. I just said that was some of my specialization. I'm glad your confident in your group there ninja. Who is to say that when my group went on raids we wouldn't catch you guys sleeping and string you up in your sleeping bags? If stealing and looting is something that has to be done to survive. I would do it. I'm not saying I wouldn't eventually get caught by another group. It's something that would have to be done. All of us would have to eventally. It's not like everytime you need something it's gonna be there with nobody around to stop you.

I'm guessing a lot of you guys have never played team sports? In a group everyone does have to work together and make decisions. I know there will times when quick decisions have to be made. That's when trust comes into play. If you build a good relationship out of trust with your party. Quick decesions can be made by a few rather quickly. If there is no trust in the group because of a tyranical leader. The group is gonna fail hard. It has been proven throughout history.

So much macho non-sense. In every team sport there's a team captain. He's the obvious leader and others defer to his judgement. The quarterback calls the plays and the team executes them. Refuse to execute the pay called and find yourself benched. I don't see a whole lot of discussion and consensus making going on in a huddle. Hotlead has it right. When it's a matter of life and death, as a PAW would be, there's no time for group discussions. Sure there are times when the group can discuss certain things and come to some consnsus, but when you're out on the pointy end of the spear that isn't one of them. Decisions need to be made, orders given, and those orders followed explicitly or the team may not survive. There's no way in hell I'd ever have someone on my team who couldn't play his part or hold up his end for the group.

[Bob]

Yap Yap Yap
You are a pack of Chihuahuas.

Ya know if you would go back and re-read my posts it was not until I was basically forced to try and put things simply enough that everyone could understand what I was saying that things got off track.

Even then I did not unequivocally say I was going to shoot anyone.

Y'all are reading what you want in this.

Don't you people ever read books?


Oh and I know the rules probably better than you.

I am done with this discussion.

Let someone else spin a scenario and I will watch the chihuahua pack try to tear it and them up.

[Breeno]

The folks who want to have a discussion and vote on everything the group does, and doesn't see why working within a chain of command is neccessary need to realize a few things.

Many times in a crisis decisions need to be made quickly. Very often there isn't time to get everyones opinion, pool those opinions, present them to the group, discuss, and vote. Lives and objectives are in danger of being lost to wasted time, a foraging party may be cut off and needing rescue. Instead of a leader grabbing people and forming a plan, you ask for volunteers and opinions on the best way to save them. While wasting time getting people to cooperate, the foraging party is killed, and all the supplies they gathered are destroyed, and no one in the whole group eats that night.

Everything that is brought back to the group, food, tools, medical, weapons, clothing and shelter, was won by someone risking their life. Going in and clearing buildings brings a few possibilities, a place to hole up in a secure, sheltered place, finding food and supplies, ensuring no badguys are hiding in there, and getting the people clearing the building killed.

The people in your group who are benefiting from being part of the group without putting out for the group, are taking advantage of those who can get killed providing every minute of security, every can of peas, and every bandaid the group has. If you're going to be part of a group, you need to make known your abilities, participate in the survival of the group and get ready to carry a rifle and be told what to do in exchange for the saftey of the group. Everyone needs to do all they can to keep you alive, and you need to do all you can to keep the group alive. If you don't contribute to the group, you just use supplies other people who do provide for the group need to get the job done.

Not everyone has to be an aggressive zombie hunter, but you do have to put out at game time.

Top post, couldn't agree more!

[Breeno]

My first post, well here goes.

Being 17, I'm not going to have too many skills at my disposal, but I am a decent shot, and have a fair bit of martial arts training. Being a pretty smart guy (I hope that doesn't sound arrogant), I've been known as one of them guys who has a general idea about a lot of things, without mastering any one topic. I'm a relatively quick learner, and I think within a group if someone took some time to train me in a certain aspect I could become very good, or I can work things out for myself.

I'm also really into Psychology (plan to study it at university), so I think I could conduct some basic experiments and observations on the Zeds.

Not a very good skill set I know, but I think I could convince people I'm useful.

Trying to get something slightly on topic. Do you think this set of skills would aid a group (say the zombie apocalypse was to occur very soon), or would you be wary of taking someone in with such minimal skills?

[kanUsurvive]

I will agree with Bob on this one. Everyone is taking what people say and turning it around. They are not really reading what I'm saying.

[Birdman44]

Trying to get something slightly on topic. Do you think this set of skills would aid a group (say the zombie apocalypse was to occur very soon), or would you be wary of taking someone in with such minimal skills?

I'm sure they'll be able to use you in some way to help them.. Of course, they'll need all of us young able bodied growing boys around eventually. Being a decent shot and the other stuff would be like a bonus for the group! :lol: I'm sure you'd be fine if you came across a nice group (by nice I mean don't want to kill you and get your shweet lootz)

[UNDEAD FRED]

Amen! I doubt my group will be having any command issues as we are all OLD friends and have similar training(assuming my group actually gets together as planned)

That being said I cant believe how many people base opinions on movies...AMAZING!

But we are talking about the dead returning to life, and attacking the living?

[kanUsurvive]

But we are talking about the dead returning to life, and attacking the living?

Exactly!

Then they get mad at me for saying I would loot to survive. They act like they wouldn't be doing the same thing. How else would they survive eventually without stealing? They turned my words all around.


I would take an inexperienced person in. They deserve a chance to survive and learn also.

[Breeno]

I'm sure they'll be able to use you in some way to help them.. Of course, they'll need all of us young able bodied growing boys around eventually. Being a decent shot and the other stuff would be like a bonus for the group! :lol: I'm sure you'd be fine if you came across a nice group (by nice I mean don't want to kill you and get your shweet lootz)

Yeah I'm sure the young guys could be of some help to certain groups (it depends on the situation, a group that has everything it wants but has to fight often may not want to disrupt the balance by bringing new people in, let alone a young guy). I forgot to add I have some survival camping experience, and without being a really great shot (I don't shoot often), I can hold a gun and know how to use it.

[Bob]

OMFG
I think the sky is going to fall.
KanuSurvive and I don't disagree on something!
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The problem is the amount of typing it takes to say something so plainly there can be no mistake.
If I type that much no one would read it or they would glance at it and focus on the wrong aspect of what I was saying.

[SWAT Zombie]

Yeah I'm sure the young guys could be of some help to certain groups (it depends on the situation, a group that has everything it wants but has to fight often may not want to disrupt the balance by bringing new people in, let alone a young guy). I forgot to add I have some survival camping experience, and without being a really great shot (I don't shoot often), I can hold a gun and know how to use it.

Young people will be vital to the long term survival of the species, if not immediately the group. Unless the youngun in question is obviously a loudmouth, a slacker or unstable I would not hesitate to have any willing young male or female in my group. The military recruit young people for a reason and I think it would be wise to include them in your group of survivors. You can get older, more experienced hard arses who may chew nails and accurately headshot a zed at 200 yards, but nobody can beat time. Your body will eventually slow. The younger person will be needed to pick up the slack and take over when that happens. That would be valuable in a ZPAW. Hell, it's pretty much how life works now anyway. I don't think an eager youngun will ever be seen as a liability just because they are young. Don't underestimate your worth because of your youth and inexperience. But then again, be mindful to not let that make you cocky either.

[kanUsurvive]

OMFG
I think the sky is going to fall.
KanuSurvive and I don't disagree on something!
:lol::lol::lol::lol:

The problem is the amount of typing it takes to say something so plainly there can be no mistake.
If I type that much no one would read it or they would glance at it and focus on the wrong aspect of what I was saying.

HaHa I thought the same thing.
I think that is the whole problem. We can't stress our points enough. So they get all misunderstood.


I agree with what you say too swat zombie on the young and old aspect.

[CAVU45]

Young people will be vital to the long term survival of the species, if not immediately the group. Unless the youngun in question is obviously a loudmouth, a slacker or unstable I would not hesitate to have any willing young male or female in my group. The military recruit young people for a reason and I think it would be wise to include them in your group of survivors. You can get older, more experienced hard arses who may chew nails and accurately headshot a zed at 200 yards, but nobody can beat time. Your body will eventually slow. The younger person will be needed to pick up the slack and take over when that happens. That would be valuable in a ZPAW. Hell, it's pretty much how life works now anyway. I don't think an eager youngun will ever be seen as a liability just because they are young. Don't underestimate your worth because of your youth and inexperience. But then again, be mindful to not let that make you cocky either.

Lack of experience, while being a handicap, isn't necessarily a liability. It does become a liability however if the young person thinks he knows more than he does and refuses to listen to older, wiser council.

[unnamedbaby77]

But we are talking about the dead returning to life, and attacking the living?

Yes, a proposed situation in a real world "apocalypse" disaster ....not a movie or video game....those are discussed on many of the other forums on ATZ....

Anyhow, I look at zombies as kind of a best case scenario for the antagonist ...zombies....Aliens....Koreans...Russians...the Swiss ..robots.....whichever it is I think zombies(especially shambling zombies) would be among the easiest(for me at least) to handle...

[kiltedninja]

Yes, a proposed situation in a real world "apocalypse" disaster ....not a movie or video game....those are discussed on many of the other forums on ATZ....

Anyhow, I look at zombies as kind of a best case scenario for the antagonist ...zombies...Koreans...Russians...the Swiss ..robots.....whichever it is I think zombies(especially shambling zombies) would be among the easiest(for me at least) to handle...

That's because zombies don't shoot back.

[unnamedbaby77]

exactamundo! .....thats why robots are so spooky!

[zombabe]

But it's the wicked carnage that really gives zombies their scare factor. :)

[mattifikation]

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[Redneck]

Yes, a proposed situation in a real world "apocalypse" disaster ....not a movie or video game....those are discussed on many of the other forums on ATZ....

Anyhow, I look at zombies as kind of a best case scenario for the antagonist ...zombies...Koreans...Russians...the Swiss ..robots.....whichever it is I think zombies(especially shambling zombies) would be among the easiest(for me at least) to handle...

You forgot aliens.:scare:

[unnamedbaby77]

THANK YOU!

fixed :P

I was just discussing this with a friend that me and my brothers knowledge of metallurgy, forging, gunsmith skills and such would lend itself to the making of all kinds of stuff after the Apocalypse,

Toolmaking, engine parts, weapon parts, general necessities like flatware and dishware and the like.

Add my buddy Tony who is a VERY good carpenter and knows electricity and is an engineering mastermind for all kinds of crazy vehicles, weapons, and devices,
and also add my buddy Matt(who lives far away but could make it here possibly) who worked as an aerospace engineer for some time, and we have a complete design team to engineer what ever may be needed.

[Kissaki]

I studied physics. I know well about maths, electronics, computers and programming.

Furthermore I do a lot of martial arts, climbing and shooting.

My brother studied medicin and is an even better climber and shooter.

[kiltedninja]

What's 'alot of martial arts' to you?

[Kissaki]

A lot of Martial Arts means I practice since several years, actually as long as I can think back.

I did Judo as child, then Taekwondo. I am in a marksmen club and I was a quite successfull fencer with rapier and sabre (won some regional championships) until the age of about 20. Then I started with Aikido what I did for about 4-5 years. I was not bad, but it was not the right martial art for me. I like more offensive styles. Then I looked for an other dojo were I felt more satisfied. Now I am doing Muay Thai, Jiu Jitsu and Kali Escrima since about two years. Sometimes we also practice some Wing Chun techniques. Most of the others in the dojo train for MMA fights. For me this is not the only motivation (I am not heavy weight so I will never earn money with that). I practice more Krav Maga style for street and self defense.
Outside the dojo I still practice my weapon techniques I learned in the last years. This is manly the Katana and the long staff Bo.
I hope I did not forget anything and I probably did!!!:-(

[Kissaki]

I forgot, I have a professional divers license.

Not driver, I mean diver. You know the under water thing. I really love it. I hope I can do it still when the zeds are around there!

[kiltedninja]

Which is your favorite strike for Muay Thai? It's good to see another Nak Muay here.

[Kissaki]

Which is your favorite strike for Muay Thai? It's good to see another Nak Muay here.

My favorite strike is the jump with the knee to the head. It looks easier then it looks and it is extremely effective. I do not know the thai name for it. Another one I like is the Ramasul Kwang Kwoan. It is very similar, but it is the strike with the elbow on the upside of the head out of a jump. There are also a lot of feints, that make things pretty complicated and that surprise me always to the new on their practicability.
I specially I like at Muay Thay, the speed, the offense, the efficiency, the unpredictable and practicable techniques, the large variety of moves and combinations.
I am not sure what would be best against zeds. If you have a lot of ikimi (like the karateka says) the ones I mentioned, since you might destroy the brain. Otherwise it is probably better to stay at distance.