what's your favorite AK version for zed popping?

[detpat]

i have a converted saiga in 7.62x39 and a Romanian SAR 1 with a full profile left side folder and ak74 fsb. [i gotta take some pics today]

What's your favorite?

[bandits1]

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1528/ak47tacticalwx3.jpg

[detpat]

you should have just bought an ar15:roll:

[Cenobite]

The one with bullets.

[Hitman]

All I've got right now is a norinco MAK90 . its plenty accurate enough for zombie work , right around 4" offhand and 100 yards . I'd like another but not sure what model I'd like . the finnish clones I've seen look nice but are kinda expensive , esp for and AK.

I'm also having an M92 yugo underfolder in 7.62 being built . I've shot one before and had to get my own. I'm sure I'd feel the same way about a sidefolder in 5.45 also. they do feel good in the hands.

I've also shot a tromix 12 ga krink . thats also getting put on a "must have " list but its quite a ways off for now.

[Augustus Desius]

This one. I think everyone will agree that it is superior.

[detpat]

i have a saiga 12 and love it. tony has an unreal waiting list, so find one for sale or get on the list and start saving.

I gotta get a yugo, the ones I've handled were great guns and a very nice AK variation. i have a side folder, with the appropriate receiver mods for the forward latch and both a triangle and a full profile poly stocks. the triangle is more compact, but the poly beats it hands down for comfort, cheek weld and shootability.

[Devilspaintbrush]

I have several home built Romanian's that have worked really well

I have around 25 30 round mags for them so am pretty set once I get another case of ammo in storage

I really like the Saiga's...Tony's work at TROMIX.com is top notch and I really want a .223 AND a Saiga 12gauge and a .308 for reaching out there


D

[detpat]

i really like my romy, i use the Bulgarian poly's and the Chinese flatbacks for mags. i do have a crate full of euro mags that work just as well.

a 308 would be great to have, mags are too pricey though.

[Jimmy]

I went to the gunshow and paid $50 for 10 magazines... I got it last year a few months after my 21st birthday. It was my birthday present to myself. xD

I keep it in the trunk of my squad car just incase I find myself in the middle of a bank hiest or something. lol

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9682/asasdasasbu3.jpg

[Emp]

No shit? You guys are allowed to own these types of weapons?

[Devilspaintbrush]

No shit? You guys are allowed to own these types of weapons?


Yuppers sure are...well the semi auto version of them anyway

[detpat]

I used to keep an Mforgery and a mossy 590A1 in my squads trunk.

[CplKerberos]

Check it out, this is my first post here but I figure I might have a little knowledge to spread so here we go.

I've read through a number of posts on here already about zombie fighting firearms. A lot of good points in favor of many weapons but also a lot of overlooking when it comes to our soviet friend, the AK-47.

There are many reasons why an AK-47 would be the ideal zombie firearm. I'll go ahead and make a list so it's easy to follow.

1. AK's do not require much firearm knowledge- It's important to remember that not every single person in this world is firearm savvy, however AK's are simple to operate and most people can pick it up and use it effectively with just being shown once or twice how to operate the action and reload.

2. AK's require little to no maintenance- Every weapon requires maintenance during sustained use. The M16A4 which is current issue for the US military, requires cleaning after only a few fully loaded magazines are fired as I've been privy to time and again during my current enlistment as a US Marine. The exact opposite is true for an AK47. I won't go too deep into the mechanics of it but the AK doesn't inject gas from an expended round directly into the chamber like an M16/AR variant rifle does. This leads to a much cleaner operation and extended time between cleanings. AK's can even have their bolts rusted shut, kicked open, and fired whereas a little mud anywhere near an M16 makes it crap all over itself.

3. AK's are accurate enough- Now I know I'll hear some crap for this one but hear me out. As a Marine, I'm trained to hit targets at 500 yards with iron sights on my M16A4. Your average individual won't be able to achieve that accuracy without proper training with that weapon. Weapons are only as accurate as the person firing them. I don't know about you, but I've never had to engage a target with an M16 at 500 yards other than on the qualification range. Zombies are definitely not even a threat at this range so why bother trying to make that shot? Urban fighting, 300 yards and down, is where you'd be engaging most zombies and probably not until something like 100 or 50 yards in all honesty. This is where the AK shines. At 300 yards, an AK is still accurate enough to hit a man sized target, closer in it just becomes easier.

4. AK's are cheap and so is there ammo- A stock AR platform these days can run upwards of $700US and that doesn't include sexy accessories like ACOGs. An AK can be had in it's perfectly legal semi-auto variant for under $600US depending on where you buy from. As for ammo, 5.56NATO isn't a cheap round, trust me but 7.62x39 can be had for half as much and you'll get twice as much ammo. The pricing again depends on your supplier but on average that ratio is going to be all encompassing.

I think there was more I wanted to point out but my long post has sapped my thinking and reasoning skills. I now open this to discussion as I'm sure there will be disagreements amongst some folks with what I have stated here. I don't claim to be an expert on firearms and their workings but I will say I am very well informed and very well trained with a diverse spectrum of firearms. That being said, embrace me, make me your brother.

-Cpl K

[Behemoth]

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15601&highlight=ak47
Check out this thread, i think it is where you should have posted:)

[CplKerberos]

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15601&highlight=ak47
Check out this thread, i think it is where you should have posted:)

You know I saw that one and didn't feel it was the proper place to put information like this. That is more of a personal preference poll than anything and I wanted to make my look at the AK's position as a survival weapon as objective and reasoned as possible.

I appreciate the heads up though :D

-Cpl K

[Behemoth]

Well i liked your post & pretty much agree, i think that was the result of the poll tread aswell.

[CplKerberos]

Well I'm glad you liked the post and agree with me. A lot of folks give the AK too much flak because it is usually in the hands of our enemies. The weapon itself isn't evil regardless of it's user's intent. I just want a weapon I know will function every time I need it to when the zombies come a calling to be put back in their graves.

[Behemoth]

Well the main advantage with the ak47, over any rifle i know, is you can bury it come back for it a week or month later & it will work, just ask the afgans or viet cong. This would be an advantage in a paw situation as you could stash the weapon if the authorities catch you, say you don't have a gun, they let you go & you're all set.

[CplKerberos]

This would be an advantage in a paw situation as you could stash the weapon if the authorities catch you, say you don't have a gun, they let you go & you're all set.

Much to our dismay on both my tours in Iraq. Silly terrorists.

[Behemoth]

Well what variant do you recommend? I have only ever fired an old 1950 east german one i belive it was 7.62.

[CplKerberos]

It really comes down to personal preference. All AK's and their variants obviously have a nearly identical design. Personally, I prefer one with a full wood stock and full length barrel, however, the Chinese have a nice under-folding wire stock version which can make the weapon about a foot shorter. Some people claim that those stocks tend to wobble but the one I got to play with was nice and tight. Don't have any pics of that one though.

There is also the AK-74U which fires a 5.45mm bullet with a shortened barrel and collapsible stock. That could be just as handy and it is certainly just as reliable.

It just comes down to choosing the right configuration for your situation and preference. I am no stranger when it comes to full length rifles and crazy gigantor weapons like Dragunovs so I have no problem using a full sized AK.

[detpat]

my personal favorites are a saiga converted to original configuration and an SAR 1 with a full profile Russian polymer sidefolder, tight as a drum and very comfortable to shoot, and a ak 74 fsb with Osti NVG flash hider.. best of both worlds. the saiga has a solid buttstick.

the 5.45 version has the current advantage of cheap ammo.

some pics of mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09849.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09844.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09846.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09848.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09850.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09851.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09852.jpg

[mattifikation]

Accurate enough to hit a man sized target isn't good enough. With zombies, you need something accurate enough to hit a head sized target. But you make good points about them being more reliable, easier to use, and cheaper.

Just avoid those WASR pieces of crap.

[CplKerberos]

Accurate enough to hit a man sized target isn't good enough. With zombies, you need something accurate enough to hit a head sized target.

You're right but I did not state that as a zombie aspect but overall accuracy. I did mention the range you would be engaging zombies is far closer than the 300 yards the weapon could hit a man at :)

I'm glad you found my points valid though :D

[mattifikation]

My beef with the accuracy is that if something has a huge reputation for a certain problem, it's probably half as bad as the reputation would have you believe... but five times as important under zombie circumstances.

If we were talking about a 28 days later scenario, or an I am Legend sort of infection (or real life survival situations,) I'd be more okay with an AK-47 because torso shots will take those guys down.

Some people have some really freakin' small heads. I don't care if it's at 50 yards or 500, I wouldn't want to be stuck trying to hit one with an AK.

[CplKerberos]

I won't argue with you. It's really a personal preference once facts have been stated. Just remember if you can hit it with a pistol, you can definitely hit it with an AK. And believe me, I have seen untrained people use that weapon accurately enough to hit a target in the head. For the ones who are really interested to know the exacts though, with an AK47 one can expect 3-5 MOA at 100 yards.

And damn detpat, you must have some collection :) Thanks for those pics.

[mattifikation]

I've been drooling over some AK's at a new store in my area for awhile now, but I found out they were the WASR's with the crooked sights, the loose magazines, and the fun trigger slap. I feel so let down.

[detpat]

sure guy, you should search for my [posts in the past, i got a pretty good pile of small arms and some have been posted around here. look for a pm

[Behemoth]

The cost of ammo won't make a bit of difference in an outbreak, the case should be what caliber size would be best in an AK to take down a zombie. I am also not sure about this head shot thing, why is it always necessary to kill the zombies? In DOTD remake they mention "twichers" meaning zombies that have been disabled, well thats good enough for me, i'll just carry on my way & let 'em twich. So 4 or 5 rounds from an AK should be enough to disable a zombie. ( i am basing this on my own experience, seeing what the rounds i fired did to a tree stump )

[bandits1]

This is the coolest AK I have ever seen:

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/1528/ak47tacticalwx3.jpg

[Hitman]

the cost of ammo is important for stockpiling now . just like was mentioned the cost after the fact is not important , because you won't be able to just mail order it. the more you sock back now is more that you have for later.

the twitchers see, to be caused by a gunshot that was almost enough to kill it but didn't destroy enough of the brain or spinal cord to put it down for good. aiming for a non killing shot is aiming to miss.

[Faran Brigo]

The cost of ammo won't make a bit of difference in an outbreak, the case should be what caliber size would be best in an AK to take down a zombie. I am also not sure about this head shot thing, why is it always necessary to kill the zombies? In DOTD remake they mention "twichers" meaning zombies that have been disabled, well thats good enough for me, i'll just carry on my way & let 'em twich. So 4 or 5 rounds from an AK should be enough to disable a zombie. ( i am basing this on my own experience, seeing what the rounds i fired did to a tree stump )

For starters, if you go by the numbers (DOTD2K4 is the only movie to have twitchers) there are no twitchers. DOTD2K4 were fast zombies, not classic zombies, different rules apply to everything from weapons to tactics to survival strategies.

I disagree with Hitman though, twitchers in the movie were all hit in the spine (if I remember correctly) not the head. If you want to pump rounds into each zed until by chance one of the bullets hit the spine, go ahead, but I'm guessing your ammunition won't last long.

[Behemoth]

Well fast zombies are a threat, slow zombies are an inconvenience, you don't need an AK for classic zombies a .22lr rifle would be enough.

[Faran Brigo]

That's debatable, and to date there's no conscensus about how adequate the .22LR might be. It's been going on since before this section of the forums was closed actually.

That aside, fast zombies are more than a threat, a crowd will kill you, period. That narrows your chances of survival in a city to near zero, and an AK47 wouldn't do much to up them. If you're thinking about fast zombies, forget about the AK47 and pick up an RPK or M249, anything less just won't cut it for anything but individual zeds. Either way, it still means you have to aim for the head.

[Behemoth]

Well a fast zombie with his legs shot away ain't gonna be very fast. If faced by a crowd of fast zombies ( around 8-10 ) i belive an AK47 hold 30 rounds, taht should be enough to ensure you live to fight another day. Slow zombies just run for it & save ammo.

[Faran Brigo]

So are you going to aim at the blurry legs and take your time or spray in the general direction and hope that at least a third of the bullets are direct hits to the places you need to hit?

[Behemoth]

Well fast zombies are no faster than the equivalent person charging at you, so yeah, i feel pretty good about leg splintering at 30-50 yards with an AK.

[detpat]

well, my guess is that fast zeds are gonna require some very similar tactics to live opponents, with the exception of ignoring non immediately fatal wounds. I would guess that structural injuries are gonna slow them down and allow a second chance shot.

In any case, tactics and stealth are gonna be the keys to survival. If you are a small group and come into hard contact with a large group of fast zeds it's over almost no matter how well armed you are.

[mattifikation]

Actually, they'd probably be a good bit faster. Living humans need oxygen in their muscles to move them. If that oxygen is limited, the muscles don't move as quickly or as strongly. And, in a human, the oxygen is always limited by the person's respiratory and circulatory systems' health.

Fast zombies require none of that. They just run, gaining energy from who-knows-what, and are completely unaffected by lack of oxygen or blood supply to the limbs.

[detpat]

that's certainly possible, we can't know what the physic's of the fast zeds might be. could be faster, slower, maybe just different. Hell could be supernatural and make no sense at all.

I wouldn't be willing to bet the lives of my loved ones absolutely perfect shooting and flawless luck. you don't rise to the situation, you default to the level of your training! also your state of mind, state of health and stress levels. Injuries make a difference, stress and sleep deprivation are real killers in a shooting situation, let alone a ZPAW like the one we discuss here.

[Hitman]

the only AK I have for now. I'll be picking up my krink monday .

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/mak90.jpg

that is just a small sampling of the ammo and mags I have for it. I been stocking up while waiting for the new one.

[50 cal]

The AK is a very reliable rifle, but the AR is much more accurate. 7.62x39 isn't loaded to the best of quality assurances.
Give me the AR variants any day. I've owned numerous AK's since the mid 80's. I've always sold them and increased my AR family with the proceeds.
The 5.45x39 rifles are a bit more accurate but not up to AR/M16 standards.

[JakAttak]

The cost of ammo won't make a bit of difference in an outbreak, the case should be what caliber size would be best in an AK to take down a zombie. I am also not sure about this head shot thing, why is it always necessary to kill the zombies? In DOTD remake they mention "twichers" meaning zombies that have been disabled, well thats good enough for me, i'll just carry on my way & let 'em twich. So 4 or 5 rounds from an AK should be enough to disable a zombie. ( i am basing this on my own experience, seeing what the rounds i fired did to a tree stump )
yeah I guess you could put 4-5 rounds in 'em then have a still biting still moaning Z on the ground or you can use 1 round and take him out permanent- like.

[Onslaught]

i feel comfortable enough with my SAR-1 to make headshots out to 50 yards shooting offhand, more like 100 from a supported position. i need to practice more.

hey detpat, can you get me a source for that polymer sidefolder? i'm currently using a collapsible car stock and it's just not doin it for me. (i suppose it is nice for when the lady shootis it though. pics forthcoming.)

[detpat]

i got mine from K-VAR when they had them on sale last year. you know that you need serious mods to the receiver to use one of these?

[JakAttak]

If I can find one it would be the Israeli Galil.

[Zombreach]

I am gun illiterate, and was hoping someone could clarify something for me? My nephew has an AK47..he refers to it as a civilian's AK47. How does this differ from one used in the military?

As a side-note: he belongs to a gun forum and they have a zombie discussion going--what would be the best gun for the job? It was decided that a .22 rifle would be best because it is lightweight, easy to use, and easy to find ammo for. :lol: :loon: Like I said--I'm gun illiterate-- but I know that a .22 would probably be one of the worst. It is the only gun I have ever fired, and I don't think it has much stopping power. But, perhaps I am wrong...

[Devilspaintbrush]

I am gun illiterate, and was hoping someone could clarify something for me? My nephew has an AK47..he refers to it as a civilian's AK47. How does this differ from one used in the military?

..

hey bro

a "civi" ak is nothing more than an ak that is semi auto only...simple as that

a 22lr is one of my main goto guns in case of a zombie outbreak...headshots out to 100 yards are gonna be the key and they can be done with a .22lr with practice...granted my main gun with be some kind of EBR but for general zombie killing I woild go with the .22lr

PLUS

You can easily silence a .22lr...dont want the wrong kind of attention now!!! :drinking:

[the_velociraptor]

you should have just bought an ar15:roll:

Why? I'm probably not going to have the aptitude to clean an AR-15, nor the supplies for it.

An AK-47, on the other hand, will last me a while.

[Redfields]

Personally, any AK. They are soo durable its not even funny. They are also really accurate and can easily pop a target 300-400 yards away.

[Birdman44]

I wouldn't mind any ak variant that takes a 7.62X39mm cartridge, they seem very durable, accurate enough to dispatch zombies from a noticable range and powerful enough to punch through some body armour should a raider be in the vicinity.

[dudeskis]

Anything made by Arsenal, Norinco, or Saiga is good stuff. I have a standard Arsenal SLR-95. My front sight post is stuck and won't lower so I can't get it zeroed with the iron sights. I keep putting off the trip to the gunsmith to break it loose so I'm putting myself at serious risk if Zday happens. Also I'm short on mags and ammo.

I can't express how important it is for everyone to buy at least one AK-47. Decent ones can be had for $600 and it is just about the only gun you'll need for Zed killing other than your sidearm. A scope rail and red dot wouldn't be a bad idea either if you can afford it. If you can't just go to the range and sight in your iron sights as best as you can and get comfortable with the gun.

There is no other gun on the planet that has a track record of reliability higher than the AK-47.

[Bob]

Cough Cough
Today is Bobs day to be nice so he is just wandering off whistling tunelessly.

[dudeskis]

Cough Cough
Today is Bobs day to be nice so he is just wandering off whistling tunelessly.

Come on man... Maybe I should have stipulated "Assault Rifle". The AK-47 is used almost exclusively in the harshest countries and environments on earth. It is produced by more countries than any other gun. You can bury it in the sand, neglect it and it will still fire almost every time. It is so simple to operate that children use it and the round is heavy enough to be used on many targets that the 5.56 won't penetrate.

Can you honestly say that there is an assault rifle currently in production that is better suited for the world that awaits us after Zday?

[Bob]

Dudeski
The fickle finger of fate was not pointing at you.
I didn't and still don't want to call a name as this is my day to be nice.

[Trumble0]

I've got an SKS. It feels more Solid to me than an AK being Milled and not stamped. Same caliber with a Synthetic Dragunov style stock on mine... Granted the AK I have fired was an WASR-10 which I have heard is on the lower end of the AK spectrum it's certainly no Valmet (sp?) I feel like I can get tighter groups with my SKS and it can accept detachable mags. Ive got a polymer 60 round mag and a steel 40 rounder. the 7.62 x 39 is a solid round and packs a punch. but I prefer my SKS 59/66 to an AK.

I get alot of mag slap with the polymer though. feels really loose in the magwell :-(

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/85/l_53b528909d59b3f50b768af5587df2de.jpg

[Z-Day is very soon]

My Zastava M70 (not Civilian Version , Fully Auto i live in bosnia dont know if its legal or not but who cares), but i wouldnt mind upgrading to and Zastava M21

[Bob]

This would be a better choice for long range head shots than an AK and is battle proven. It rules for popping milk jugs of water. Faster than a bolt gun and plenty accurate enough. All E2 parts are correct.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/548/m1a3.jpg

[Trumble0]

This would be a better choice for long range head shots than an AK and is battle proven. It rules for popping milk jugs of water. Faster than a bolt gun and plenty accurate enough. All E2 parts are correct.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/548/m1a3.jpg

See I like the M1A but I'm not a fan of the Pistol grip stock for it. But I am still envious that you own an M1A :-( :lol:

[Bob]

I suppose the E2 configuration is not for everyone but I like it.
I still have the original stock somewhere...

I am gathering the parts for the conversion of my Saiga 12.
All the conversion parts are on order but several of the suppliers are having a hard time getting stuff, especially ace stocks, blocks, and hinges.
My MDARMS 20 round drum should be here in a couple of weeks.
I think 20 12guage slugs will tear stuff up.

Sometimes I wonder what my kids are going to do with all this oddball stuff when I croak off.

To get back on subject
My favorite AK is the only AK I have, a Saiga 12.
I must rectify this before the end of the year.

[Trumble0]

To get back on subject
My favorite AK is the only AK I have, a Saiga 12.
I must rectify this before the end of the year.

I suppose by your 20-12 gauge shell remark you're thinking about purchasing the 20 Round Drum? :evil:

My buddy has A Saiga 12 with a couple 5 round mags it's a nice gun, but it didnt like the remington target loads we were shooting. but he didnt adjust the gas settings.

He also has a Saiga 7.62 x 39... It's the same caliber as My SKS yet I go deaf instantly if I shoot his gun without hearing protection. Yet with my SKS it takes a few mags before I'm like... wow I should probably throw on my muffs

[Bob]

The drum is on order, it's probably going to be several more weeks before it gets here. I never thought I would pay that much for a magazine...

I doubt I get a Saiga rifle.

[Comander Shaw]

Original AK-47 plain and simple. :zom2:

[y2k survivor]

Rommy Wasr-10 cause it costed $320.00 and ive blow'n through 4k plus of ammo without a hickup. Well it jammed once cause a holding tab of a crappy poly mag broke in it. Not really the guns fault. Plus if it does jam ill mount the bayonet and throw it like a javelin.

[kiltedninja]

An AK isn't balanced to throw that way.

So one time, I drew an AK, then was like 'I could turn this into a sniper rifle' and what I ended up drawing was an almost exact drawing of the Dragunov. I was angry when my friend told me it had already been invented.

Anyway, I'd have to go with one that shoots in a straight line, preferably the 7.62x39, and has a cleaning kit. It may not need it, but a clean gun is a happy gun, a happy gun is slightly more accurate.

Has anyone tried making an AK version that shoots a pistol round? I think if you lobbed a .45 ACP round out of it, you might have a decent gun.

[y2k survivor]

An AK isn't balanced to throw that way.

Haha its called sarcasm.

[detpat]

I've seen AK's in all sorts of calibers. since the AK was cheap for so long it was a pretty fun platform to experiment with, so you're gonna see lots of oddball variations out there.

[Contract Killer]

Whats the general opinion on it for an anti-zombie weapon?

For those who dont know its essintial an ak that shoots 12 guage rounds, same maker and factory, etc.

I think personally its amazing, can hold up to 20 rds in the drum and even the 10 rd mags arent hard to find. 12 guage also extremely easy to find with most towns having quiet a few owneers of shotguns. Being based of an ak means its crazy reliable as well. Its also very customizable if u can get one before Z-day to change anything you dislike about it!

[Bob]

I like the S-12 I have a couple of them and 1 drum.
I fit the drum to the first one the I fit the second one to the drum.
Worked out pretty well.

I find them to be very soft shooting shotguns.
Softer than my 1100s.
They cycle really fast and I enjoy shooting.
I can keep 4 shells in the air when I am rolling, my oldest son can do 5.
This is without bump firing.
One of them is going to be setup with a folding stock and is off in Atlanta getting a back plate welded on and some other work.
The fixed stock has a super light trigger.
If there is such a thing as a match trigger on a S-12 it has one.
But, it is so light that I get light primer strikes.
When the weather cools down enough for me to spend some time in my un-airconditioned shop I am going to replace the main spring.
I am going to sacrifice trigger pull for reliability.
I can with regularity hit rifle targets at 100 yards shooting slugs with it.
I really like the Krebs sight it has, the folder is going to have a H&K sight on it.
I have had a couple of different stocks on the fixed stock one and not totally satisfied with either of them.
I have kind of put all my gun projects on hold for a while till I can stand to be in the shop longer than to just toss stuff through the door.

How about you?

[Contract Killer]

ahhh lucky you. I wish i was old enough to own one, but alas at 16 its illegal. Im a youngin haha ive just been looking a lot at guns as of late and feel like i know a tiny bit about them, so it seemed like they are the most logical choice and was curious to know what othere thought about it

[Bob]

In their US import form they are ok but they really turn on when you convert them.
The conversion process is not difficult and can be accomplished in an evening if you are handy with tools.

[Contract Killer]

ive heard much of the same.

You have any idea if the tromix ones are nice?

[LJHolcon]

http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/feldmarschel/artamdsideprof.jpg

I built this on a Nodak receiver, a Romanian 75 kit, with AMD fore-end lower, chinese upper, SP1 flash hider, Yugo M70 grip, East German Side folder. And a Croatian mag for good measure.

And I love it.

[Contract Killer]

thats sick!

[fraust]

Eh, I don't think I'd really go for an AK. I'd probably want a HK417. Don't get me wrong, AK's are awesome guns, but the 417 is slightly more accurate.


Well the main advantage with the ak47, over any rifle i know, is you can bury it come back for it a week or month later & it will work, just ask the afgans or viet cong.

You can do the same with a HK416. At some gun show HK even showed that you could bury it, take it out and fire it without any cleaning.
Not sure if it's specific to the 416, but knowing HK, probably not.

[LJHolcon]

Eh, I don't think I'd really go for an AK. I'd probably want a HK417. Don't get me wrong, AK's are awesome guns, but the 417 is slightly more accurate.




You can do the same with a HK416. At some gun show HK even showed that you could bury it, take it out and fire it without any cleaning.
Not sure if it's specific to the 416, but knowing HK, probably not.

I know when someone asks what their favorite AK is, I tell them an HK416.

[ak47alex]

Since I can't get my hands on a Finnish Sako RK-95TP, my favorite Zed buster Kalashnikov would be mine.

http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp341/ak47alex/CIMG1052.jpg


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Polish wz.88 Tantal 5.45x39.5 m/m
Bulgarian SLR-106FR (AK-101) 5.56x45 m/m
Bulgarian SLR-107FR (AK-103) 7.62x39 m/m

[ZombieAddict33]

AK-47 simply because its the most basic down to earth weapon you can get. it has minimal parts, ressistant to jams, and is lighter than the m-16. it has a solid wood stock and even have pre mounted sights for grenade launchers. Add a scope and a bayonett and you have a decent AR

[CAVU45]

AK-47 simply because its the most basic down to earth weapon you can get. it has minimal parts, ressistant to jams, and is lighter than the m-16. it has a solid wood stock and even have pre mounted sights for grenade launchers. Add a scope and a bayonett and you have a decent AR

Lighter than the M16? Hardly. The AK would be better compared to the M4 which is much lighter. To the best of my knowledge the AK doesn't come with grenade launcher sights mounted.

[LJHolcon]

Lighter than the M16? Hardly. The AK would be better compared to the M4 which is much lighter. To the best of my knowledge the AK doesn't come with grenade launcher sights mounted.

Several do (the easiest to obtain being the M70.)

[mattifikation]

Do you know where to get AK grenades anyways?

I can see how an m203 would be useful on an AR, because post-ZPAW there's probably going to be the occasional dead soldier with some 40mm grenades... but unless you switch continents I don't think you'll find much for an AK.

[LJHolcon]

Do you know where to get AK grenades anyways?

I can see how an m203 would be useful on an AR, because post-ZPAW there's probably going to be the occasional dead soldier with some 40mm grenades... but unless you switch continents I don't think you'll find much for an AK.

You won't be scavenging any, that's for sure. But you can buy them still.

[mattifikation]

Where?
I've never heard of being able to buy active grenades, only dummy grenades and tear gas grenades and other non-exploding devices.

[LJHolcon]

Where?
I've never heard of being able to buy active grenades, only dummy grenades and tear gas grenades and other non-exploding devices.

I have two Yugoslavian rifle grenades (m60,) and the muzzle device/"launch pad device" and the require splice rounds. But they're not cheap and for each one you have to pay a DD tax. I had three. I fired one off then quickly decided as fun as it was, I wouldn't be doing it again for the money! But I digress,

Yes you can buy active grenades.

[ak47alex]

The Polish wz.88 Tantal pictured above was designed launch any 22 m/m (NATO) rifle grenades off its proprietary muzzle device. As well as being able to attach the Polish Pallad 40 m/m under-barrel launcher and the Russian GP-25/GP-30 40 m/m grenade launchers.

[CAVU45]

Several do (the easiest to obtain being the M70.)

Interesting. Learn something new every day. If those sights are anything like the M203 or SKS sights, then they're one step from useless.

[LJHolcon]

Interesting. Learn something new every day. If those sights are anything like the M203 or SKS sights, then they're one step from useless.

They're exactly the same. It's a vertical ladder sight.

[CAVU45]

They're exactly the same. It's a vertical ladder sight.

Intersting again. I can honestly say that I have never seen one on any model AK either here or in the ME.

[the_velociraptor]

AMD-63, though that's probably only for the built-in foregrip.