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fester_hicks
04-16-2008, 05:21 PM
You have room in your bugout bag for ONE book only...

Times ticking.... You look at your bookshelf and grab..........

AN OLD SHOE
04-16-2008, 05:31 PM
this is a tough one...either a bible or a dictionary.....im gonna go with the holy book :)

fester_hicks
04-16-2008, 05:38 PM
Me, in gonna grab either:

SAS Survival Handbook: How to Survive in the Wild, in Any Climate, on Land or at Sea (http://www.amazon.com/SAS-Survival-Handbook-Survive-Climate/dp/0060578793/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208381855&sr=8-1) (Paperback) or http://www.amazon.com/Urban-Survival-Handbook-Lofty-Wiseman/dp/1602392161/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208381855&sr=8-3(Paperback), both by John "Lofty" Wiseman.

Or one other might be: Primitive Wilderness Living and Survival Skills (http://www.amazon.com/Primitive-Wilderness-Living-Survival-Skills/dp/0897459970/ref=pd_bbs_11?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1208381620&sr=8-11)(Paperback) by John McPherson & Geri McPherson

Victor Clark
04-16-2008, 05:56 PM
I would probably pick Insomnia by Stephen King, since I haven't read it yet.

Dagnammit
04-16-2008, 07:27 PM
I would pick a classic, but not something famous and obvious, like Shakespeare. Perhaps a minor classic, like The War of the Worlds or The Catcher in the Rhye. You see, in a crisis the internet would quickly come down a lot of books in libraries, museums etc. would be destroyed, and there is the potential for a lot of human culture to be simply wiped out. Major "important" books might be saved by forward-looking survivors, but a lot of less famous classic culture might be overlooked and lost. I think it's important to preserve our literary heritage in such an event.

Lian
04-17-2008, 04:34 AM
My own homemade survival book. Bits and bobs of useful information for any and all survival situations one may encounter. Well not so much a survival book but as a reference to things you might not be able to commit to memory, it more relies on you having the common sense to know what you need and it goes about how to get it. Everything from water purification, to making gunpowder.

Still If I was to die I'd be confident that if I put this book in the hands or my family or my girlfriend or some random survivor guy I came across they'd be able to find a use for it.

Zombie_215
04-17-2008, 08:26 AM
The Crystal Shard: R.A. Salvatore

Crickler
04-17-2008, 09:03 AM
Easy, the Zombie Survival Guide :)
Either that or the Battle Royale novel

fester_hicks
04-17-2008, 10:44 AM
i'll pick up other books on the road if i need, Im going strictly with some survival stuff... plants, etc..

RogueAI
04-17-2008, 07:17 PM
My own homemade survival book. Bits and bobs of useful information for any and all survival situations one may encounter. Well not so much a survival book but as a reference to things you might not be able to commit to memory, it more relies on you having the common sense to know what you need and it goes about how to get it. Everything from water purification, to making gunpowder.

Still If I was to die I'd be confident that if I put this book in the hands or my family or my girlfriend or some random survivor guy I came across they'd be able to find a use for it.

You should publish that. A few family owned outdoors stores around here sell my survival and end of the word living guide. It turns a tidy profit, and is fairly populare with people who like to go out in the wilderness for weeks on end.

----

Anyway, I'd probably take Steven Pressfield's Gates of Fire with me. Its small, light weight, and a good read. When a few people stands up agiest a massive horde of zombies it really reminds me of the Spartens fighting the Persians. Good for moral. ^_^

(Sorry about any misspellings. I'm typing from school today, and this computer doesn't have an automatic spell checker "Spartends". i r smart )

Lian
04-17-2008, 11:56 PM
Yea that's just the thing it's not really a survival book...or indeed a book at all. Think of it more like a scrapbook and a journal. My science teacher said once that if he took the science book he was supposed to use and pulled all the useful information out it would go from 400 pages to about 40.

Same concept with my survival book, except it's still 400 pages long, it takes those massive amounts of space taken up by other books and condenses it down. It also makes some assumptions that you have basic knowledge already, Kinda like I don't cover basic first aid crap, most people know enough about hypothermia to treat it, so I don't cover it. What I do cover is how to set a broken bone, how to do surgical stitches, amputations... It assumes you know how to make a fire with flint and steel and goes straight into recognizing and finding flint and steel.

While all in all it's in it's own way more useful in a scenario where you only have room for one book and despite the fact I would like to put it into the hands of everyone that might need it, it's not really "readable" and wouldn't really make a good publication, assuming i could even find a person to publish it. Not to mention the parts I found it easier to just clip out from a magazine or what not and just glued in that I'd have to redo and what not due to copyright laws and what not.

RogueAI
04-18-2008, 01:24 AM
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Yeah, sounds like it'd require a fair amount of work for relatively little return. I did mine more of a hobby, though it is not exactly readable either; its in encyclopedia form.

By the way, Lian, when the zombies rise en mass I'd really appreciate it if you'd ware a name tag while carrying that book. Maybe something more recognizable from a distance or something. I may not have time to search every corpse, but I wouldn't be surprised if I found stuff in your book mine doesn't have (I never covered amputation, for example).

mattifikation
04-18-2008, 01:30 AM
I'd go for anything with information on edible plants, how to find and purify water, ways to lure and trap animals, and so-on.

Lian
04-18-2008, 02:11 AM
lol Sure I'll slap a name tag on in the unlikely event I die I suppose. :lol: and yea you could say my book was a bit of a hobby as well. It's a compilation of roughly three years or work.


Yea one thing I never covered in my book was edible plants. That's a hard subject to touch on really. Some of the edible variety's are just so damn close to not edible one's you either really need to know your stuff or have good clear pictures. I mean I through a few things in there that are really hard to mess up but I'm going with more of a if it runs, flies, swims or crawls, on this planet it's usually okay to eat approach.

john154
04-18-2008, 06:40 AM
The Art Of War - Sun Tzu

You may have heard of it. The bloke had some good ideas.

Lian
04-18-2008, 05:14 PM
Sun Tzu is the man. He summed up war, politics, and human nature into an easy to understand context that still applies hundreds of years later. That man rules.

Yellow Hat17
04-18-2008, 08:06 PM
this is a tough one...either a bible or a dictionary.....im gonna go with the holy book :)

Same thing, but isn't it more efficient to bring a Translating dictionary if it's a Class 4 attack, since you may flee to another country? I think a Bible honestly though... Unless I were to loose faith at all news of an outbreak, I don't think I'd be heading for my dictionary. If you just read the Zombie survival guide, I would pack that, presuming that in the situation you haven't memorized it yet. But I would probably pack a bible.:scare:

IamtehRussman
05-25-2008, 10:38 PM
Hmmmm.....I think in a zombie outbreak, a Bible wouldn't be worth much. Sure, it may give you hope, or preserve your religion, but how will it help you in a zombie outbreak? I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of survival manual, kind of like what everyone else is saying. But I think, in a class 4 outbreak, I would bring a book on how to build a house. After a while, your fort is going to need repairs, or you might want to add onto it becuase of new survivors, the old falls down and you need a new one, etc. That's just my opinion.

kiltedninja
05-03-2009, 07:56 PM
I'd go with the SAS survival guide. the zombie survival guide often refers to other survival guides, this is those other survival guides. That and I've about memorized the zombie survival guide.

homelitexl
05-03-2009, 09:20 PM
make love the bruce campbell way

ZombieKat
05-04-2009, 02:22 PM
It would definitely be Dante I love that book

NotoriousDIT
05-04-2009, 05:59 PM
It would definitely be Dante I love that book

you mean the italian writer? author of The Divine Comedy?

anyway. I'm an atheist. I would take with me the bible, because a religious person sees you carrying that around in this crisis, and he assumes you're a friend. Seems like a good way to make an ally, even if a bit deceptive.

Either that or:

On the Road (Kerouac)
The Hobbit (Tolkien)
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Carroll)

NotoriousDIT
05-04-2009, 06:00 PM
wait, I change my answer to Catch-22 by Joseph Heller.

Birdman44
05-04-2009, 06:56 PM
The Art Of War - Sun Tzu

You may have heard of it. The bloke had some good ideas.

Im buying that soon. It seams like a great book, especially coming from a guy who's thousands of years old. I'll probably take that if I get it soon enough.

mattifikation
05-04-2009, 07:06 PM
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

It offers great advice: Don't Panic.

Bob
05-04-2009, 08:32 PM
Hmm
Perhaps an older copy of the Boy Scout handbook.

The Voice Of Desperation
05-04-2009, 09:01 PM
I would probably my Human anatomy and psychology book.(Both my parents are in the medical profession and I like reading some of they're books from time to time)It will definitely come in handy at least once and if not it is at least interesting.

kiltedninja
05-04-2009, 10:46 PM
I'd take two books, because the two I have in mind are very small.

Zen and the Art of Archery by Eugen Herrigel(only about 70 pages, I'd carry it in my pocket)

Sun Tzu's art of war.

Zen and the Art of Archery is a really rare book now.

ZombieKat
05-06-2009, 02:15 PM
you mean the italian writer? author of The Divine Comedy?

anyway. I'm an atheist. I would take with me the bible, because a religious person sees you carrying that around in this crisis, and he assumes you're a friend. Seems like a good way to make an ally, even if a bit deceptive.

Either that or:

On the Road (Kerouac)
The Hobbit (Tolkien)
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Carroll)


Yeah but it was translated to english & it has all three books that Dante wrote(Inferno, Purgatory & Paradise)

kiltedninja
05-06-2009, 09:39 PM
Books are something that I don't think I could live without, so I'd need to get a second bag, like a messenger bag or something, and carry my books in there.

Zombie opressor
05-08-2009, 07:07 PM
maz brooks "the zombies surbival guide"....
do i even have to explain
if thats not available i would go with i am legend by richard matterson one of the best books i have ever read

kiltedninja
05-17-2009, 03:11 PM
Max Brooks did pretty good on covering some of the bases, but there's some things that he shoulda done more research on.

Nameless1
05-18-2009, 04:51 AM
When All Hell Breaks Loose: Stuff You Need To Survive When Disaster Strikes

http://www.amazon.com/When-All-Hell-Breaks-Loose/dp/142360105X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242636543&sr=1-1 (http://www.amazon.com/When-All-Hell-Breaks-Loose/dp/142360105X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242636543&sr=1-1)

or Day of the Triffids
http://www.amazon.com/Day-Triffids-20th-Century-Rediscoveries/dp/0812967127/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242636635&sr=1-1

Kissaki
01-22-2010, 09:42 PM
I would take the "Hitchhikers Guide through Galaxy" from Douglas Adams!!

It would be to relax and to get rid of the probably high pressure and stress.

Ohhh!! I remember I must put the most important, a towel, in my survival equipment!!

Pirate Rum
01-23-2010, 04:56 AM
I have to go with a bible. Its a big book with thin pages. Bang for the buck.

Redneck
01-23-2010, 06:11 AM
I would get sick of just one book, so I pick the bible, lots of books in one, and even zombies....:lol:

SWAT Zombie
01-23-2010, 06:14 AM
The Truth About Chuck Norris: 400 Facts About the World's Greatest Human

homelitexl
01-23-2010, 02:23 PM
mien kemph adolf hitler

CAVU45
01-23-2010, 02:50 PM
mien kemph adolf hitler

You seem fascinated by WW2 Nazi Germany. Serious question; Do you speak German?

homelitexl
01-23-2010, 04:31 PM
a lil bit only a few various words y u ask

kiltedninja
01-23-2010, 04:33 PM
The original Mein Kampf was written in German.

I read the bible cover to cover my freshman year in 60 days, I'll need a lot more than just one book.

homelitexl
01-23-2010, 06:26 PM
i have a second edition print of mien kemph kinda a family hierloom

Zombreach
01-23-2010, 07:06 PM
i have a second edition print of mien kemph kinda a family hierloom

Have you ever read the book Homelite? I only ask this because it is considered to be very poorly written--I only got to page 150 before I gave up. It was very dry reading.

CAVU45
01-23-2010, 07:16 PM
a lil bit only a few various words y u ask

Just curious.

Sammo909
01-23-2010, 07:53 PM
It's a toss up between the SAS Survival Handbook, The Book of Five Rings, or a book on first aid.

As much as I'd like to have a good fantasy epic I'd be best taking something practical.

homelitexl
01-23-2010, 08:30 PM
yes i have fuLly read mien kemph have any of u war and peace sux

unnamedbaby77
01-23-2010, 09:54 PM
the book I would takie would have to be the pocket reference guide...VERY handy little book , if you do not have one BUY ONE !!!!!!

Zombreach
01-23-2010, 10:01 PM
I can't imagine that there would be a lot of time for reading come z-day, so a novel wouldn't be a practical choice to take. It would make more sense to take a how-to book or field guide. Personally, I would take an instuctional manual for guns as I have no experience with fire-arms and would need to learn something about them in order to survive.

unnamedbaby77
01-23-2010, 11:17 PM
The problem with that is that every firearm has a different manual...and that's a lot of weight.

better to do the research now and try and retain as much as you can for Z-day ..

most good quality air soft guns actually break down(or field strip at least) like the real weapons they are cloned after and can be useful and safe training tools as well .

Another good book/book type to have would be these :

VERY useful books that cover Combat Skills, Unarmed Combat course, Weapons & Equipment guide, Survival, Fighting Fit, and Combat Reports.

ShotGunGuy93
01-24-2010, 12:15 AM
"Why GM matters"

CAVU45
01-24-2010, 12:22 AM
the book I would takie would have to be the pocket reference guide...VERY handy little book , if you do not have one BUY ONE !!!!!!

What pocket reference guide? there are hundreds available on varying subjects.

CAVU45
01-24-2010, 12:24 AM
The problem with that is that every firearm has a different manual...and that's a lot of weight.

better to do the research now and try and retain as much as you can for Z-day ..

I think she meant something on the order of a beginners guide and not a technical manual. But I agree, better to get that knowledge before the SHTF. Playing catch-up in a PAW could get you killed.

Zombreach
01-24-2010, 09:26 AM
I think she meant something on the order of a beginners guide and not a technical manual. But I agree, better to get that knowledge before the SHTF. Playing catch-up in a PAW could get you killed.

That was what I was referring to. But you are both right, getting that knowledge now would be preferable. A few friends have offered to let me practice with their guns--I should take them up on it. I have a lot of the other practical knowledge that others have mentioned--I have built several houses (all phases of it), have medical knowledge, have a pretty good grasp of edible plants and know my way around a compass. I would be all set if not for the lack of firearm skills.

hightechredneck
01-24-2010, 10:13 AM
real easy, i'd grab my kindle, has about 1000 books on including several survival manuals, can recharge it off my portable solar panel

Bob
01-24-2010, 10:36 AM
The Boy Scout field manual should not be ignored.
Older ones are better than the newer ones.

Vorpal
01-24-2010, 11:17 AM
I'd grab my survival handbook. It covers the basics on many things. It'll at least be good to refresh my memory on important, but rarely used facts.

CAVU45
01-24-2010, 07:29 PM
real easy, i'd grab my kindle, has about 1000 books on including several survival manuals, can recharge it off my portable solar panel

Those seem like a good idea. How would you keep it charged though?

CAVU45
01-24-2010, 07:30 PM
I'd grab my survival handbook. It covers the basics on many things. It'll at least be good to refresh my memory on important, but rarely used facts.

Which handbook?

Vorpal
01-25-2010, 12:01 PM
the book I would takie would have to be the pocket reference guide...VERY handy little book , if you do not have one BUY ONE !!!!!!

That's on my list. I'll likely buy that as my next reference book.

Which handbook?

How to SURVIVE Anything, Anywhere by Dr. Chris McNab. It's my first real survival guide. I chose it because it seemed like it would give me general survival knowledge in all environments. It would provide a good foundation and can be expanded upon with more focused books. In case there was no time for expansion, it would have already provided me with the basics.

mattifikation
01-25-2010, 01:02 PM
Those seem like a good idea. How would you keep it charged though?

He said he has a portable solar panel.

I'm surprised nobody makes an ebook reader with a solar panel built in.

CAVU45
01-25-2010, 01:39 PM
That's on my list. I'll likely buy that as my next reference book.



How to SURVIVE Anything, Anywhere by Dr. Chris McNab. It's my first real survival guide. I chose it because it seemed like it would give me general survival knowledge in all environments. It would provide a good foundation and can be expanded upon with more focused books. In case there was no time for expansion, it would have already provided me with the basics.

Looks pretty good. Have you ever looked at the SAS survival handbook? A ton of information in a small, almost palm sized book. Takes very llittle room in a pack.

CAVU45
01-25-2010, 01:40 PM
He said he has a portable solar panel.

I'm surprised nobody makes an ebook reader with a solar panel built in.

:drool: Friggin' stoopid!! I can't beleive I missed that in his post. No excuses for that bit of idiocy.

CAVU45
01-25-2010, 01:43 PM
the book I would takie would have to be the pocket reference guide...VERY handy little book , if you do not have one BUY ONE !!!!!!

I believe I asked this before. Which one? The Pocket Reference by Thomas Glover?

Vorpal
01-25-2010, 02:47 PM
Looks pretty good. Have you ever looked at the SAS survival handbook? A ton of information in a small, almost palm sized book. Takes very llittle room in a pack.

I haven't. It's been recommended by a few people, so it's also on my list. Being palm sized is a plus.

I believe I asked this before. Which one? The Pocket Reference by Thomas Glover?

That's the one on my list. Do you know if it's useful, or are the facts trivial?

CAVU45
01-25-2010, 03:15 PM
I haven't. It's been recommended by a few people, so it's also on my list. Being palm sized is a plus.



That's the one on my list. Do you know if it's useful, or are the facts trivial?

It would definately be useful.

Scud
01-25-2010, 07:38 PM
one of those trick hollow books you can hide a gun in.

unnamedbaby77
01-28-2010, 06:27 AM
HAH! I made one for my walther P22 out of " the pillars of creation"....FUNNY!!!

Bob
01-28-2010, 06:19 PM
How about a soda can in the fridge with a gun in it?

CAVU45
01-28-2010, 07:46 PM
I prefer the pillow with the take-down shotgun hidden in it. One of my personal favorites though is the stuffed hippo with the gun in it. You stick your hand in its butt and the barrel is sticking out its mouth. Pretty cool huh?

Zombreach
01-28-2010, 07:48 PM
I prefer the pillow with the take-down shotgun hidden in it. One of my personal favorites though is the stuffed hippo with the gun in it. You stick your hand in its butt and the barrel is sticking out its mouth. Pretty cool huh?

Somehow, that just seems wrong...:lol:

Bob
01-28-2010, 08:56 PM
My bible case has a Model 20 Glock in it.
When I was a younger more paranoid version of who I am now every room had at least one stash point.

mattifikation
01-29-2010, 12:10 AM
A good place to hide your ammunition is in an attacker's chest.

unnamedbaby77
01-29-2010, 01:29 AM
LMFAO!...yeah cuz I needed to spill coffee all over my shirt!

true though ...not that I ever have hid my ammo there .... thank jeebas for that !

kiltedninja
01-29-2010, 01:53 AM
Yeah, I hope that when I have my own firearms that the only human I need to shoot is the silhouette targets that are roughly human shaped. I'd much rather not need to shoot anyone.

ZackWelder
01-29-2010, 03:53 AM
Either that or the Battle Royale novel


AMEN brother. Battle Royale for the WIN.

Come on guys, we're in the Age of Apple now. You won't need books. You only need the iPad.

In all seriousness though, a wilderness survival guide will go a long way. How about The Anarchist's Cookbook? That might be useful too. Perhaps a mechanic's or engineer's book might be useful if there will lots of interaction with cars, planes, helicopters, or other things that may need repair. Of course, you won't find all that in one book.

unnamedbaby77
01-29-2010, 04:27 AM
Such devices would be of little use if you did not have useful Books saved on them en mass before anything goes down and we lose the internet. plus not a lot of survival literature have been converted to digital...let alone mobile devices.

ZackWelder
01-29-2010, 06:08 AM
Was being facetious about the iPad. I guess the cynicism didn't really show through.

unnamedbaby77
01-29-2010, 07:11 AM
nope! but no worries thats why we have the funny little emoticons :D

Bob
01-29-2010, 01:38 PM
Bobs puppy ate one of his ebooks.
It was an ebookwise ebook.
At least the memory card survived.

The Dane we had before this one tried to eat a G-20
He did cause the mag to pop out and chewed on the mag.
Once I cleaned up the bite marks and put it back together it works just fine.
Try that with a metal 1911 mag...

unnamedbaby77
01-29-2010, 01:50 PM
LMAO..I am an animal lover and all but I would have to feed him the contents of the mag after I got it working again!


...my first day of having my dog at me and my roomies house(BIG awesome house that it was) he did $700 worth of damage to my room...it looked like a hand grenade exploded by the door...he ate the drywall, door, carpet and half the studs...Ripslasher can attest to that cause he helped fix it!..

BTW I am carying my first all steel weapon....its SO different than I am used to!

Hunk
01-29-2010, 01:52 PM
id have to choose mark bowden's balck hawk down

CAVU45
01-29-2010, 02:20 PM
id have to choose mark bowden's balck hawk down

Excellent book. I had a friend on TF Ranger. He's dead now.

Bob
01-29-2010, 03:21 PM
I do hate to appear simple but what is a balck hawk?


Is someone here related to this guy?
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4847/imawesometattoo456a1109.jpg

mattifikation
01-29-2010, 03:31 PM
The anarchist's cookbook is only useful to people who have an insane, passionate desire to burn down their own house or blow their own hands off.

ZackWelder
01-29-2010, 06:56 PM
While I personally have not read the anarchist's cookbook, I hear testaments to the useful reference material inside. Granted, most useless information such as building home made flashbangs and colored smokebombs (which can be used as long rang communication) is readily available on the internet itself, the book might have some use from those clever enough to adapt it's information.

Dogs dealing hundreds of dollars worth of damage are unacceptable. Dogs should only be dealing damage to the undead. Can we vaccinate dogs to fight zombies for us without getting infected?

TypH
01-30-2010, 12:39 PM
walking dead hardcover omnibus sounds like a good idea! why not read a great zombie book while being stuck in a old building with zombies outside:lol:

CAVU45
01-30-2010, 03:17 PM
I do hate to appear simple but what is a balck hawk?


He meant Mark Bowden's book Blackhawk Down. An excellent book on TF Ranger and the Battle of Mogadishu.

kiltedninja
01-30-2010, 03:46 PM
I think if I really had to boil it down to just one book, I'd choose either the SAS survival guide, or my bible. I'm no Christian anymore but that bible was a gift from my grandparents, I'm not leaving it behind.

What I'd like to do though is get one of those e-readers, kindles or whatever, and put a bunch of books on it. My dad has one with him in Iraq right now.

plague
01-30-2010, 03:57 PM
I'd definitely bring a bible, and not just because I am a Christian either. The Bible has a lot of great stories in it, including one about an undead army, and even some mild literary porn(see the song of solomon). Once you get past the long, difficult to read parts, the Bible is actually a good read.

zbuddy
01-30-2010, 04:15 PM
Lofty's Urban Survival Guide. Bam!

Hunk
02-01-2010, 07:24 AM
Excellent book. I had a friend on TF Ranger. He's dead now.

damn.... task force was some badass people

CAVU45
02-01-2010, 07:42 AM
damn.... task force was some badass people

You have no idea. Most were simply scared spitless and fell to the level of their training. While Blackhawk Down is an excellent book on the Battle of Mogadishu, Bowden tends to over glorify the Rangers in the same manner that movies do.

kiltedninja
02-01-2010, 01:56 PM
That's what I expect to happen when I'm enlisted, I'll get scared and trust my training and God to get me through.

zbuddy
02-01-2010, 02:18 PM
That's what I expect to happen when I'm enlisted, I'll get scared and trust my training and God to get me through.

Trust your head.

hotlead
02-01-2010, 09:21 PM
Trust your head.

I think KN got it right.

CAVU45
02-01-2010, 10:02 PM
That's what I expect to happen when I'm enlisted, I'll get scared and trust my training and God to get me through.

No. Fall to your level of training. You can trust the training you're getting is good. But when the SHTF and choas is all around you fall to that level automatically. If your training was good and you paid attention, there's a decent chance you'll come out okay. If your training was subpar or you didn't pay attention then your ass is in the hurt locker.

CAVU45
02-01-2010, 10:04 PM
Trust your head.

Trust your head, end up dead. Revert to your training and hone your instincts. This allows your mind to work on the tactical problem

zbuddy
02-02-2010, 12:09 AM
Not sure what to say honestly. I've been over there, and I can say that the guys who "revert" to training usually make dire mistakes. Training, on average, is a blanket general prototypical situation. They do cover situational awareness, but not nearly enough. The LOAC and ROE are so out of whack, or at least when I was there. You need to adapt to your environment, and fast. I am assuming by your rack, Cav, that you have had far more time over in the sandbox than myself. I am quite shocked that you do not agree with me on this one.

zbuddy
02-02-2010, 12:11 AM
Ahh I think I see the issue. You were implying don't think too much, because if you have to think you wind up fragged because the other guy didn't. Is that the idea? If so, that is very true. I was speaking on a different level.

mattifikation
02-02-2010, 12:40 AM
It's been scientifically proven that "choking" happens when you take an action that you are well trained and experienced in doing, and then try to think your way through it instead of letting your experience take you through it.

CAVU45
02-02-2010, 12:46 AM
Essentially. Yes, the ROE changed almost daily. One day we shot every man wearing a green arm band, headband, or all black clothing (Mahdi Militia). The next day we couldn't shoot till we were fired on. But that didn't have any effect on the way we fought after the battle was engaged. You train the way you fight. That way when it actually comes to the fight the training takes over and allows the mind to work the tactical problem. I know that my training never let me down nor any of the guys I took over there. I pride myself on bringing every one of them home alive and in one piece. Hell, I'm the one who ended up getting busted up.

zbuddy
02-02-2010, 12:56 AM
Cool, you were referring to the fight or flight mechanisms. I was speaking about daily crap, not when things are exploding or bullets are flying. Also Cav, I am now going to school for Psych. I was so enthralled with why some people would flipout, or choke as Matt said, and others did not. Also, great job bringing everyone home. I really need to work on my reading comprehension. I am so used to internet fan sites being filled with nonsense, I apologize.

unnamedbaby77
02-02-2010, 05:25 AM
A close friend of mine got in a shootout a few years ago with a USP40-C against a sawed off 12ga...he drew and fired and the guy with him(who he thought he could trust to watch his back) dove behind a dumpster and hid .

You just never know until it gets down to it how people will react ...

Bob
02-02-2010, 06:35 AM
The roe are totally different in a civilian encounter.
I might have taken cover and not fired myself.
You did not not provide enough information.

Darkness
02-02-2010, 07:38 AM
"Back to what one book you would take with you, please."

kiltedninja
02-02-2010, 11:07 AM
No. Fall to your level of training. You can trust the training you're getting is good. But when the SHTF and choas is all around you fall to that level automatically. If your training was good and you paid attention, there's a decent chance you'll come out okay. If your training was subpar or you didn't pay attention then your ass is in the hurt locker.

I can say I'll do it now, but I won't know until I'm there, but I'll keep this in mind.

Anyway, back to books. What criteria are we going for that make a book 'good' in ZPAW?

Hunk
02-02-2010, 11:53 AM
You have no idea. Most were simply scared spitless and fell to the level of their training. While Blackhawk Down is an excellent book on the Battle of Mogadishu, Bowden tends to over glorify the Rangers in the same manner that movies do.

yeah...but at least its a little more accurate than the movie....it was only supposed to be a 1 hour mission

CAVU45
02-02-2010, 02:06 PM
I'm not saying it wasn't accurate. He just did a little too much of the rah-rah stuff for me.

Bob
02-02-2010, 06:42 PM
A good book for the ZPAW for me would not be the same for you.
I expect to last 30 to 90 days at most without meds.

Now a long term survivor would be well served by a bible.
It should be read over and over and studied.
For hundreds of years people were taught to read with a bible.

You would burn out on a novel.

Short term any military survival guide should be helpful.

http://www.equipped.com/fm21-76.htm
http://www.enlisted.info/field-manuals/fm-21-76-survival.shtml
http://library.enlisted.info/field-manuals/series-2/FM21_76/CH1.PDF

CAVU45
02-02-2010, 08:16 PM
A good book for the ZPAW for me would not be the same for you.
I expect to last 30 to 90 days at most without meds.

Now a long term survivor would be well served by a bible.
It should be read over and over and studied.
For hundreds of years people were taught to read with a bible.

You would burn out on a novel.

Short term any military survival guide should be helpful.

http://www.equipped.com/fm21-76.htm
http://www.enlisted.info/field-manuals/fm-21-76-survival.shtml
http://library.enlisted.info/field-manuals/series-2/FM21_76/CH1.PDF

I agree. The SAS Survival Manual is among the best.

Bob
02-03-2010, 06:48 AM
This guy brings up some good points about shortcomings of some of the survival guides.

http://ridgerunnersurvival.tripod.com/da1.htm

homelitexl
02-03-2010, 10:14 AM
mien kemph or the first issue of playboy my picks

mellisallen
02-03-2010, 04:07 PM
"Truth and Existence" by Jean-Paul Sartre. existentialism and zombies go quite well together

Zombiehunter
02-05-2010, 02:21 PM
"sword fighting in the star wars universe" by "Nick Jamilla" as it is a very hard book to get hold of, after the ZA you'd be able to finds most books in librarys and houses, it's the specialist books that would be hard to find.

It's not a fictional book either, it's an in-depth factual book and a hard read to boot!

mattifikation
02-05-2010, 03:11 PM
I'm guessing that it's not just about a Sith Lord and a Jedi Knight dueling with lightsabers. What's it about?

Zombiehunter
02-05-2010, 03:55 PM
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sword-Fighting-Star-Wars-Universe/dp/0786434619

It presents swordsmanship as a way of better understanding the Jedi Knights, focusing on the human movement and activity surrounding the weapon and the ways in which traditional Japanese martial arts were adapted for use in the films. The topics of discussion include the powerful effects of the master-apprentice relationship; the technical choreography used in the lightsaber scenes of the "Star Wars" films; and the historical precedents for the Jedi order, including the Sohei fighting monks of Japan, the Janissaries and Mamelukes of Islam, and the knights of the Templar, Hospitaller and Teutonic orders.

SWAT Zombie
02-05-2010, 04:07 PM
Don't know how useful it'd be in a ZPAW but, daaaaaaaamn, I want a copy of that book. That sounds like it would be such an incredibly interesting read. (Yes. I am a Star Wars nerd. Do they get called Warsies similar to Trekkies?)

Zombiehunter
02-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Im already quite happy with my survival skills being ex-recon, and in a world of zombie slaying itll be nice to kick back and read something mentally stimulating.

I believe the fan name is Jedi.

SWAT Zombie
02-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Sounds fair enough then. Being able to kick back with something like that could be a good sanity preserver.

UNDEAD FRED
02-05-2010, 04:20 PM
Probilly Stephen Kings - The Stand. Need something to read while I starve to death inside my boarded up house.