Best close combat weapon

[zombieuprising]

weapon of choice for close quarter combat

[mattifikation]

I went with a baseball bat. When it comes down to close quarters, I'm not worried about killing zeds anymore. I just want something that can knock them out of my way so I can escape or make my way to something that goes bang.

[zmbvan]

I think the axe would be the best out of those, but only if it is a hand axe. A normal sized one would be to cumbersome. Next, I would go with the baseball bat.

[Zomby Woof]

Hand-to-hand fighting is exhausting, more so than most people realize, and dangerous too. So you don’t want to fight unless you have to. And if you have to fight – and this is especially true against multiple zeds – you should make every attack count. That’s why I’m going with a baseball bat. It’s lightweight, fast, easy to handle, and packs a powerful skull and joint crushing wallop. I think the other weapons on this list just present too many issues. Although certainly capable of inflicting a death blow, penetrating weapons such as machete, axe, pickaxe, hammer (claw end) and even a shovel, all run the risk of getting stuck, especially on a head-shot. Chainsaw? They make for good Hollywood, but are heavy and unwieldy, and don’t cut through flesh and bone as quickly and easily as FX men would have us believe. In real life I think most of the chainsaw-as-a-weapon’s effectiveness is a function of its fear factor. Unfortunately, I don’t think zeds are going to be afraid of a chainsaw. And as far as a cordless drill is concerned, ...well, it might sound like a cool idea to drill holes in zeds’ heads, but think about it. It’d probably be more effective use simply as a bludgeon.

Yep, gimme a baseball bat, and make sure it’s of the good old fashioned type – wood, not aluminum. ‘Cause I’m bustin’ heads, not hittin’ long balls!

[fester_hicks]

Estwing 22 oz. Hammertooth Hammer -

My PERSONAL Zed killing, hand to hand, close quarter combat weapon!

[Augustus Desius]

I chose axe, but I would prefer hatchet or other hand axes. But if hatchets aren't an option, then I still choose axes, as I'm better with those than the others.

[Victor Clark]

Definately the baseball bat for me! Their weight makes it easy to recover if you miss hitting a zombie, and they pack a big-ass punch to a rotting zombie skull! My second choice would be something like a large wrench or crowbar that would last in the long run.

[fester_hicks]

pray you have time to get ahold of some metal working equipment, like a welder

[DarthJoe8]

What....no crowbar??:drinking:

[fester_hicks]

Im thinking if I had time, I'd be making my own close-combat weapon, probably a very sturdy battle hammer of some sorts.

[Headless Lynx]

Im thinking if I had time, I'd be making my own close-combat weapon, probably a very sturdy battle hammer of some sorts.
ROFLMAO :clap:

I chose the machete because if you have an extremely sharp machete then you could chop up a zed to fit in a key hole.

The chainsaw would be for the big people who can swing those things around their heads.

And the axe is useless. You get your axe wegded in some zeds head then you might as well start spitting at them.

[zombieuprising]

And the axe is useless. You get your axe wegded in some zeds head then you might as well start spitting at them.

haha that gave me a good laugh mate

[detpat]

an axe handle would be better than an axe, the material is solid and narrow to focus the impact.

[Cyber Bishop]

I chose baseball bat..
It can be used quickly and can inflict serious damage.

[Zombie_215]

Baseball bat and a hammer as secondary weapon.

But as DarthJoe8 said:


What....no crowbar?? :drinking:

[Eknytz]

Baseball bat would suck in the long run.
Haven't you seen MLB they break their bats all the time.

[zombieuprising]

I didn't specify, it could be a metal bat

[Eknytz]

metal bats still cave in.
The one I have is all bent up cracked from use.

[mattifikation]

Blades get dull and chainsaws run out of gas.

What, you think there's a weapon that's never gonna wear out?

[Eknytz]

Actually the dulling problem is easily solved.
Just carry a sharpening stone with you.

[mattifikation]

So is the dent problem.

Just forget about it and hit the zed anyways.

You can still knock your balls around with that bat of yours, right? (that sounds so wrong!)

[detpat]

i think i would avoid weapons that are gonna cover me with huge amounts of pureed zed material.

[zombieuprising]

i think i would avoid weapons that are gonna cover me with huge amounts of pureed zed material.

Good thinking but thats gunna be hard to accomplish

[detpat]

no really, just avoid the chainsaw. the cordless drill thing is pretty worthless unless you put it in a bag and club them with it.

[fester_hicks]

shingling hatchet

[Barbara]

Go Jason Bourne on 'em with a bic pen.

[detpat]

maybe one of those tree pruners, longer reach less splatter, sounds like a light beer commercial

[zombieuprising]

one of those huge gun suits from the matrix revolution haha

[zombieuprising]

for those who havent seen the movie


http://i29.tinypic.com/rgxv29.jpg

[Shadowalker191]

Other for me, I have pair of Grivel Ice Climbing Axe's.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/Shadowalkergmail/10019149x1014926_zm.jpg

[zombieuprising]

that would get stuck in a zed and youd be lunch

[detpat]

i think that would provide enough leverage to free up for another whack. I might want something different, unless i was gonna climb a zed.:)

[Faran Brigo]

As far as I know, aluminium bats last longer than wood bats, in fact wood bats break fairly often when used on baseballs, human skulls should be tougher.

[zombieuprising]

unless i was gonna climb a zed.:)

lol in that case the ice climbers would be perfect:clap:

[detpat]

Maybe we have just invented a new extreme sport, zed climbing.

[fester_hicks]

im telling you, a nice estwing roofing hammer....pointy on one side, nice steel head on the other.. and trust me, its heavy enough to do the "job" with one swing...

[Lian]

Well going out on a limb here I'm gonna assume I'm not allowed to have a sawed off shotty. So...given that melee combat against the undead is suicide....I'm gonna say a bottle of vegetable oil. Slick up the ground behind me so the zombies slip and fall as I make good my escape to the gun store.

[fester_hicks]

how about veggie oil with alittle gas or something...slick and fiery

[Lian]

Is possible I suppose but I wouldn't want to burn up the oil before I made good my escape.

[mattifikation]

Fire is a terrible idea! Everyone knows that if there's one thing worse than having a zombie come stumbling after you, it's having a zombie come stumbling after you while setting everything it bumps into on fire.

[vortec1]

The bat will lay out everyone/thing,if you are fastenuff.:lol:

[john154]

+ 1 Axe. Any size or variety over anything else on your list.

Few other weapons have been so prolific throughout the history of warfare as the axe and when your not killing your neighbours it makes a very useful tool.

Its been used for thousands of years; was perfected after the discovery of bronze and has been used in every recorded war in history. Troops in iraq still use tomahawks and other handaxes in houseclearing operations today.

Axes combine effective characteristics of many previously developed weapons into one which gives you who wields this weapon greater extension, range of motion, and more energy transfer to the target then any club, shovel or pick will allow you.

[Evil Pug]

+ 1 Axe. Any size or variety over anything else on your list.

Few other weapons have been so prolific throughout the history of warfare as the axe and when your not killing your neighbours it makes a very useful tool.

Its been used for thousands of years; was perfected after the discovery of bronze and has been used in every recorded war in history. Troops in iraq still use tomahawks and other handaxes in houseclearing operations today.

Axes combine effective characteristics of many previously developed weapons into one which gives you who wields this weapon greater extension, range of motion, and more energy transfer to the target then any club, shovel or pick will allow you.

Yes a axe against a "living person" is a great weapon but not for zombies. Axes tend to get stuck and that would be fatal in a Z-Day fight. I went with the shovel. You can swing it like bludgeon or use it as a stabbing weapon.

[Bad Zombie Night]

I went with the shovel. You can swing it like bludgeon or use it as a stabbing weapon.

You can also dig a nice deep hole with it. :)

[zmbvan]

To argue with the wooden bat breaking on a human skull.

IMO: A wooden bat is not going to break hitting a human skull. When a bat breaks in baseball it is because the ball hits it on the sweet spot at 90+ mph. So I guess if someone could swing a bat over 90+ mph at a zombies head then yes it may break. Otherwise a wooden bat is just as good as a aluminum bat.

[Evil Pug]

To argue with the wooden bat breaking on a human skull.

IMO: A wooden bat is not going to break hitting a human skull. When a bat breaks in baseball it is because the ball hits it on the sweet spot at 90+ mph. So I guess if someone could swing a bat over 90+ mph at a zombies head then yes it may break. Otherwise a wooden bat is just as good as a aluminum bat.

Actually the "sweet spot" is where you want the baseball to connect with the bat. Why do wooden baseball bats break?

Remember, a wooden bat is a 100 percent natural product," says Bill Williams of Hillerich & Bradsby, makers of the Louisville Slugger bats used by Major League Baseball. The bat makers evaluate the wood from the exterior, but they cannot look inside the bat for minute structural flaws.


Hillerich & Bradsby inspects each piece of wood in the form of a 40-inch-long, 3-inch-diameter piece called a billet. "The best grade goes into the professional bats," Williams says. Those are billets with straight, evenly spaced grain, with no pin knots or knotholes, and a consistent color with no dark spots. Despite these indications, it's possible that an inferior billet may pass muster because its flaws are not detectable from its exterior.


But sometimes even a good piece of wood will snap. Bats usually break in the handle area, where the diameter is smallest. Take a look at stop-action photography of a batter swinging and you'll be able to see that a wooden bat actually bends and bows during the swing, then snaps back into place.


Baseball players today typically grow up on thin-handled, lightweight, big-barreled aluminum bats, Williams points out. "Consequently, when they get to the pros, they like thin-handled, big-barreled wood bats."


"Most of the weight is situated in the barrel on a wooden bat, whereas it is more evenly distributed in an aluminum bat. Now you combine a big barrel with a thin handle with a 90-mph fastball, and a hitter who has been training with weights, and you set up the possibility of a broken bat."


A pitcher may also try to "saw the bat off" in the batter's hands, purposely throwing pitches inside to make the batter hit the ball on the thin handle and break the bat. A bat is also more likely to break in cold weather, when the wood is dryer and more brittle.


When a bat breaks, "most players blame the wood," says Williams. "They will say that Louisville Slugger just isn't buying the good wood like they used to. Well, the trees are usually 60 years old when we cut them down. And we have not changed our method of cutting and grading in more than a hundred years. While you can get a piece of wood that's a 'lemon,' most of the breakage is a result of contacting the ball on a wrong part of the bat."

[Evil Pug]

You can also dig a nice deep hole with it. :)

TRU DAT! :lol:

[kai055]

i picked other cos i have a samurai sword mounted above my bed

[VXTip556]

i chose machette because its unlikely itll break, top heavy for a good swing, wont get dull for awhile, and it wouldnt take much skill to use

i'd prefer to use a gladius sword over other close combat weapons but dont have one, and wouldnt expect to run into one

as for samurai swords, im sure for those who practice cutting techniques this could be useful, but for most people who dont do that, we would probably end up giving a zombie a nasty neck/shoulder wound, not killing it, and potentially damaging the blade
i have a good sword but im not sure i could cut a head off with it in all the effeciency and speed hollywood makes us believe we could

[one arm short of a soufle]

machete, just because its light weight - and because you could run and slash instead of having to stop and brace yourself to swing it

[one arm short of a soufle]

machete, just because its light weight - and because you could run and slash instead of having to stop and brace yourself to swing it

[jim96sc2]

Machete is a bad idea. Most of them don't have the weight to repeatedly and effeciently go into the human skill. They are cheap steel made to toss away.

[Hitman]

I picked other.

I'll take a piece of sch40 1 1/4" pipe with the handle wrapped in duct tape (twisted as its wrapped ) or friction electrictal tape. mostly to keep from jarring you when it hits solidly.

it's cheap , lite enough to swing alot , yet still has the weight behind it to do damage (put a cap on it and fill it part way if you want) , the end can be sharpened to a spike .

in reality I'll use my pistol if my rifle runs out.

[martenbroadcloak]

Machete baby, all the way. one swing will hack off a limb, like a leg for instance or even better... THE HEAD! axes and pickaxes can get stuck in their bodies, baseball bat needs alot of effort to fight off multiple Zeds and the chainsaw! might aswell use the stick, it could rust, the blade could break, run out of fuel, get eaten before you could even start it and it wouldn't go like a hot knife through butter either, you'd feel every bit of sinew snap, every bone and after one kill you'd be covered in blood from top to bottom.

[DemonChild]

I picked other. I've got a custom katana that I keep sharp enough to split hairs. :D Also, I actually know how to use it. I've got an arsenal in my spare room as well. There's more sharp objects in that room than under an emo kid's bed. If the katana fails, I've got multiple choices. Dual kamas, a Chain whip, Broadswords galore, tons of daggers, a few survival knives, and shuriken. Not only those, but bows too. I've got 3 crossbows, 1 compound, and a long bow. I've got ample amounts of arrows. That, and I just dislike guns. Way to loud, they'll give away your position. Unless you have a silencer, I wouldn't go with guns.

[detpat]

if you think you're gonna hack off a leg with a machete you got another thing comin. Have you ever even cut meat with one?

[DemonChild]

He's got a point. I mean, even Jason Vorhees has to whack 'em a few times before anything's fallin off. Unless you're packing a fuctional lightsaber, meat is pretty resiliant in its ability to resist a machete...or any other blade for hacking, for that matter. I'm pretty sure the only reason a katana is useful is the fact that you're not really hacking at them with it, you're slashing them. Which, is very different.

[jim96sc2]

I picked other. I've got a custom katana that I keep sharp enough to split hairs. :D Also, I actually know how to use it. I've got an arsenal in my spare room as well. There's more sharp objects in that room than under an emo kid's bed. If the katana fails, I've got multiple choices. Dual kamas, a Chain whip, Broadswords galore, tons of daggers, a few survival knives, and shuriken. Not only those, but bows too. I've got 3 crossbows, 1 compound, and a long bow. I've got ample amounts of arrows. That, and I just dislike guns. Way to loud, they'll give away your position. Unless you have a silencer, I wouldn't go with guns.

Katana- near useless. Slashing weapon and not very well suited to repeated skull srikes.

Kamas- near useless. Not enough penetrating weight to crush skulls.

Chain whip- useless.

Broadswords- usefull if they are the heavier weighted ones and have a decent edge (not a razor edge).

Daggers- usefull only as a back up steak knife.

Shuriken- what are you, 12?

Crossbows- Usefull, especially since you can easily make new bolts.

Bows- Faily useless. Harder to make arrows then bolts. You can only use arrows so many times before they start to crack and shatter (even aluminum ones)

If I were you I'd ditch the katana for a warhammer/pick or just grab the broadswords.

[DemonChild]

I'm 12 on the inside. :cry: I've got a massive sword like you'd see in one of japanese cartoons. It's got like a 41" blade and it's full tang and heavy as hell. But I think that my katana, if used correctly, might be more usefull than you think. You can crack someone's skull with the hilt if you hit it right. But yeah, I think you're right.:x

[Umbrela]

He's got a point. I mean, even Jason Vorhees has to whack 'em a few times before anything's fallin off. Unless you're packing a fuctional lightsaber, meat is pretty resiliant in its ability to resist a machete...or any other blade for hacking, for that matter. I'm pretty sure the only reason a katana is useful is the fact that you're not really hacking at them with it, you're slashing them. Which, is very different. I don't think Friday the Thirteenth is the most reliable source of information.

[DemonChild]

Well, considering he's a mindless fiend with unlimited amounts of strength and stamina, and it takes a few whacks even for him, I'd say it's an ok reference.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Machete for me. Blade collecting, sharpening & training are my hobbies so I'm used to them.

[bandits1]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2159/10050720010df7.jpg
...if the handle were just a little longer...

[detpat]

machete makes a good brush cutter and a poor weapon, but if it's all ya got i guess you go with it.

[Cenobite]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2159/10050720010df7.jpg
...if the handle were just a little longer...

It might get stuck...then youre screeeeewed.

[Umbrela]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2159/10050720010df7.jpg
...if the handle were just a little longer...That would make a good secondary weapon, but eventually the repeated skull strikes would break it.

[bandits1]

It might get stuck...then youre screeeeewed.
True...but I think any type of hand-to-hand weapon is going to have it's own serious drawbacks.

My first answer was going to be a baseball bat, but it might take the average person several swings to actually smash the zombies' head and brains in. Not everyone can swing a bat like Ryan Howard. Swinging a bat 2-3 times for every zombie head might just about equal the time it would take me to free a stuck hatchet from a skull.

[detpat]

swinging a bat as hard as you need to do the job is gonna wear you out fast.

[Faran Brigo]

I say axe all the way. It's the best weapon you can find with relative ease. Tomahawk's better but it's much harder to find.

[OutbreakElite]

I belive the Crowbar would be one of the best close combat weapon for any situation. Although not ideal for speed,it is still moderately fast,durable,and serves many purposes beside wailing on a dead-head. It can also serve as a way to get past locked doors or get leverage on a heavy object.

[JakAttak]

oh yeah I go with crowbar a stab through the eye or skull cap or just bash it in. light durable and practical too. not gonna be opening doors with machete

[Dave Of The Dead]

not gonna be opening doors with machete
If they're wood you can :)

[DemonChild]

Tomahawk's better but it's much harder to find.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n25/lemon-scented-froggies/tomahawk.jpg

found it at budk for $28... It's one peice of steel wrapped with nylon cords, soo, no worries on breaking. :evil:

[Hitman]

If they're wood you can :)

nope . mabey a hollow core door inside a house. but then again a 10yo girl can bust one of those down.

I have some good quality machettees and I place them pretty low on the list for use against zombies .

[DemonChild]

I second that. My machete's sh*t when it comes to anything but yard work.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I guess it really depends on the user's abilities and knowledge, you know? I mean, I haven't ever used any kind of an axe, so I probably wouldn't be able to do anything with one. On the other hand, I have gotten so familiar with my machete and other blades, that I can use them more proficiently than anything else. I spend a summer bladesmithing with my uncle, and I learned how to sharpen a blade so sharp that when I just recently sliced my finger with one of my knives, the doctor was actually impressed on how neatly it cut through the tendons. I am not even sh*tting you. So while one of you might know how to use your weapon better than anything else, I know how to use my machete and other blades just as well.

[DemonChild]

Ok, Dave, you're a Friggin' genius, and I totally agree with you on the POV point. I am fairly proficient with blades as well, but if they become dull, which zeds tend to do to a blade's edge, they can easily get stuck. However, since you and I both possess knowledge on how to use/maintain a ungodly sharp edge, we'd be in the clear. Now, to undermine everything you and I have just said... This thread was obviously started in order to narrow it down to the general populous, and what they will most effectively be able to utilize in a zombie outbreak situation. The three that are most commonly found in a household not consumed by a constant state of zed-paranoid behavior, seem to be baseball bats, axes/hatchets, and machetes. Oh and BTW, My machete's dul because I only use it for clearing brush and other plant related issues...ergo, useless. So, I've invested in a katana, which I maintain to a razo's edge, and a tomahawk, also maintained to a razor's edge. However, if an outbreak does occur, I'm going to try not to get too close to them, which is why I keep a few bows and guns around, and tons o' ammo. :) But in the event of a shortage in ammo, I've got those two melee weapons to fight them off as best I can. But I've also got an excellent source of material for extra arrows/bolts.

Sorry if I sounded like an Arsehole, but I wrote it how I would've said it...

[Dave Of The Dead]

No problem man. No offense taken.

[DemonChild]

ok, thank god. Because I'm gonna need as many allies as I can get when the sh*t hits the fan.

[bandits1]

Here's the solution to the "aluminum vs. wood" baseball bat debate a few pages back:

http://img516.imageshack.us/img516/1077/51kqxrpyn8lss500hb5.jpg
...made of polypropylene and "unbreakable" according to the manufacturer. They say it won't ever rot, crack, splinter, or fade. Impervious to the elements and cleans up with soap and water.

For those of you who chose "Baseball Bat" - this is the one.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Cold Steel is awesome. Thats where i get my machetes from.

[zmbiekller]

welll when it comes to close combat a katana would probably be the best, the reason being is it can slice through living flesh and bone like butter and there will be no match between rotten flesh and bone, however it may thake some skill to master this weapon.

[JakAttak]

I wouldn't go with a katana No matter what you see they're pretty long and unwieldy in tight situations go with something shorter like a wakazashi or ninjato but not many people have access to real ones so it's a moot point

[Dave Of The Dead]

welll when it comes to close combat a katana would probably be the best, the reason being is it can slice through living flesh and bone like butter and there will be no match between rotten flesh and bone, however it may thake some skill to master this weapon.

You have to spend big bucks to get one that won't break after 3 swings. A good katana made of high quality carbon steel can set you back upwards of $500. And yeah, you do have to train with those things. If you swing it like a baseball bat, you have a good chance of hitting with the flat of the blade. That spells trouble for the blade and yourself.

[JakAttak]

too true and a katana or blade like that can't offer much in the way of utility purposes seeing as they're made to cut through flesh and flesh alone

[DemonChild]

Tomahawk....Can be used as a hatchet or as an anti-zed device.

[JakAttak]

good luck finding a combat ready one

[Dave Of The Dead]

Internet. Mainly one of my favorites, ColdSteel.com.

[JakAttak]

I gotta check that out

[DemonChild]

United Cutlery makes one. This place called BudK sells them for like $30 +s&h.

[JakAttak]

a katana if it's that cheap it's crap.

[DemonChild]

I was speaking of the tomahawk. Go back a page or two, I posted a picture of it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

BudK, TrueSwords, and all related sites are horrible. They make replicas out of crappy stainless steel. Most products actually say "it is not designed for defensive use." I wouldn't even feel comfortable practicing with something like that.

[DemonChild]

I know this. I have had this proven in the past, but they're not the ones producing it. It's a united cutlery product. They just happen to be selling it...for a decent price. I just like putting in my two cents, along with a recommendation of a great weapon that I happen to own, and use frequently. It's a great peice of equipment for anyone to have. I'd put faith in its reliability if an outbreak occurred, or if any other form of social degeneration occurred.

[Dave Of The Dead]

The highest quality steel United Cutlery uses is 420 Stainless Steel. I have a replica katana of 440 stainless and it bends and chips with every swing. I'll list UnitedCutlery up there with BudK and TrueSwords.

[DemonChild]

Hey, if it's going into someone...or something, it doesn't have to be great quality, only has to get the job done. I'd probably use it as a last resort anyway, my katana is muuuuuch better quality, and it's custom made. :mrgreen:

[Dave Of The Dead]

If quality is a problem, you might find your own weapon breaking and going into yourself. Ever seen the video of the Home Shopping guy trying to sell a katana and breaking it by accident? Half of the blade went into his gut. ON LIVE TV!

[DemonChild]

My baby is hand forged. That won't happen, I can assure you.

[Dave Of The Dead]

This is what happens when you buy sh*tty replicas!
Watch, enjoy, and be warned!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DmRUaxq-QhU

[JakAttak]

save your money and buy a high quality 440 steel replica. by the way dave cold steel is da shiznit

[Dave Of The Dead]

save your money and buy a high quality 440 steel replica. by the way dave cold steel is da shiznit

440 is :poo: too. My replica katana is made of 440, and i tend to complain about it a lot. I got it out today for some routine sharpening and polishing and it was spotted with rust. I don't trust it as far as I could... aww hell, I don't trust it at all. My machetes are 1050 Carbon Steel, and kick major ass!

[JakAttak]

This is what happens when you buy sh*tty replicas!
Watch, enjoy, and be warned!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DmRUaxq-QhU

I doubt they sold many of those:lol:

[zombie2x4]

Close Combat weapons are the best.

"Blades don't need reloading" -Max Brooks

[JakAttak]

remember a close combat weapon should be a last resort always take them out at a range if you can.

[DemonChild]

my sword's something like 1045 carbon steel. It's a beautiful weapon....and effective.

[zombie2x4]

remember a close combat weapon should be a last resort always take them out at a range if you can.
Well yeah but guns really arn't the ideal weapons considering if a zombie is in ear range of the shot(s) you'll end up with alot more zombies comming after you.

[JakAttak]

that's what silencers are for

[zombie2x4]

I'm sure the majorty of people who have guns dont have a silencer its not like you can waltz into wal-mart and ask for a silencer.

[JakAttak]

You can get them at most fine gun stores.

[Hitman]

I'm sure the majorty of people who have guns dont have a silencer its not like you can waltz into wal-mart and ask for a silencer.

just because you can't doesn't mean that you can't get one.

[detpat]

As long as you're willing to pay the tax and your state doesn't have any restrictions you can have one. Hell, even the tax may not be a problem any more. There's some interesting stuff in the works to lower the tax from $200 to $5 like AOW's. Still gotta do the paperwork though.

[JakAttak]

I live in GA. I basically get a free gun with every large soda at Wal-mart.

[Hitman]

I live in GA. I basically get a free gun with every large soda at Wal-mart.

so how many do you have ?

[JakAttak]

P22, Ruger .22, Taurus .44 mag, .223\w scope, .224 mag\w scope, .22 carbine, .45\w silencer, a .58 caliber rifled black powder musket(not kidding), .22 revolver, and a super high velocity pellet gun.

[Hitman]

not bad. you sure like your .22's too don't you . I've got I've only got 3 .22's myself , MKII w/silencer , 10/22 w/silencer , and an M16 w/ciner kit and silencer.

[JakAttak]

can't help it I'm addicted to them especially my ruger.

[Faran Brigo]

I'll say this much about the .22LR, it's a good training round, and it won't leave you broke if you go plinking often.

[JakAttak]

Rugers are dead accurate too

[ghdeh1]

+ Stick, push them away before they get close or attach a metal weight to each end and wap them in the face. :)

[JakAttak]

weights on chains are hard to master.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well yeah, one wrong move and you're going in injure yourself or tangle yourself up in your own weapon.

[50 cal]

Go to Sears and look at a Stanley Tools FUBAR. That thing was designed by a closet Romero fan. It's a great tool and was ready made for zombie whacking.

I like the halberd as a weapon. Long reach and the blade makes decapitation a breeze.


http://www.realmcollections.com/images/p/Halberds_European_Knights_Halberd_2612_124.jpg

[detpat]

since pain response is a great part of the flexible weapon menu, i think they aren't gonna be that useful with zeds.

[JakAttak]

like police batons which were made to maybe to break an arm but not a skull.

[detpat]

exactly, although if you are skilled you can use a baton to inflict lethal force. a riot baton might be a better choice, but you don't see those so much any more.

[Dave Of The Dead]

a large, unbalanced ax blade on the end of an unwieldy pole would make a great weapon if you were actually trained in using one proficiently. Of course, the greater task than actually finding an instructor to train you in the ways of the halberd would be to find a REAL halberd that is sharp and reliable.

[detpat]

cold steel made a nice poleaxe that was well made and sturdy, training isn't that hard to obtain.

[Darkness]

"We DO have a thread for pole type weapons. Just to let you know."

[Lian]

Close quarters? Sawed off shotty all the way. Melee...hamstring em with my knife, run back and shoot them. Why would you ever want to wrestle with a dangerous, contagious, infected person? Especially one that doesn't feel pain? :roll:

[Faran Brigo]

"We DO have a thread for pole type weapons. Just to let you know."

Would a polearm qualify as a close combat weapon? I mean, it's not exactly ranged, but it's not really close quarters either. I certainly can't imagine using it indoors

[Darkness]

Would a polearm qualify as a close combat weapon? I mean, it's not exactly ranged, but it's not really close quarters either. I certainly can't imagine using it indoors

"I feel pole arms are not quite close combat weapons. They are arm extenters. I consider close combat face to face, breathing down each other's throat. Close Quarters = Close Combat. Pole Arms are a 'ranged weapon", I think."

[Faran Brigo]

Well, when you think about it many weapons in the poll are not bludgeons either.

So basically what you're saying is a polearm is a melee weapon, but not a close combat weapon?

[Darkness]

So basically what you're saying is a polearm is a melee weapon, but not a close combat weapon?

"Yeah, that sounds right. Thank you." :)

[bandits1]

"I feel pole arms are not quite close combat weapons. They are arm extenters. I consider close combat face to face, breathing down each other's throat. Close Quarters = Close Combat. Pole Arms are a 'ranged weapon", I think."
For our intents and purposes, I'd consider a polearm a close-combat weapon. In a scenario where getting bitten is the least-desired outcome of a fight, any melee weapon should be considered a close-combat weapon.

[JakAttak]

talk to me after you've hit a human head with a 4 ft. spear and then you can reccomend them for CQB

[detpat]

have you done so? i have in armor during general battles in a living history organization. no scripts or choreaography.

[Darkness]

have you done so? i have in armor during general battles in a living history organization. no scripts or choreaography.

"As have I." :)


"By the way, here's that other weapon thread I mentioned. This part of the conversation really is more suited for there." ;-)

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15796

[detpat]

cool, i think we may have discussed this last year.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Close quarters? Sawed off shotty all the way. Melee...hamstring em with my knife, run back and shoot them. Why would you ever want to wrestle with a dangerous, contagious, infected person? Especially one that doesn't feel pain? :roll:

I think your imagery of combat is a lot more fantastic than anyone else. A zombie is going to grab for you no matter what. If you are able to run up to a zombie, bend down, cut the desired tendon, then run away casually to just shoot it in the head in the end would require you to either be The Flash or be incredibly lucky. If you do succeed at running up to it, bending down and cutting the tendon, most likely the zombie will just grab you by the shirt and fall on top of you, thus being the end of this scenario and the beginning of your 'life' as a zombie. If you want to avoid close combat, just shoot it in the first place. BUT this thread IS about close combat, so lets make it fair. If the zeds come to town, I have a feeling that every person who encounters one will at least once have a close combat experience with one. Whether you know that it is coming or if one grabs you by the arm in a dark hallway, you will most likely be dealing with zombies up close.

[Faran Brigo]

I think your imagery of combat is a lot more fantastic than anyone else..

As opposed to non-fantastic combat with a walking cannibal corpse? No offense but until someone actually has been in close combat with a zombie, it's all fantastic. Difference is a liberal or conservative attitude towards your own capabilities and the zed's.

The most we have to go on thus, is fictional works. Close combat with fast zombies would be suicide for anyone but extensively trained and experienced people, close combat with a classic Romero zombie would be (relatively) a piece of cake.

Since we're not talking about fast zombies (like the Dawn remake) or infected (like 28 days later), I assume we're talking about classic Romero ghouls (as in NOTLD '68/Remake). Ben managed to fight off about a dozen with a wooden stick, Barbara in the remake managed to kill one, escape from another, and run away from the house through the zeds without having to fire a single shot.

Assuming zombies are that slow and stupid, yes, you could pull off pretty counterintuitive stuff on them in close combat. I agree with you though, hamstring's just going to make it tumble and collapse on top of you, probably biting down in the process.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well yeah, the whole idea of a zombie apocalypse is pretty fantastic in itself, but you agree with me that some people's idea of killing a zombie is a bit over- done like a hero in a bad action movie?

I'll give you an example of an over heroic and my idea of a fantastic zombie fight.

"Well first I would pull out my buck knife and roll between its legs while cutting its hamstring in the process. Then I will recover from the roll fluidly and stab the zed in the spinal column, severing the cord and rendering the zombie useless."

Now I will give you an example of what might actually happen if the average person faced a zombie.

"I begin at a distance and run up to swing my hatchet into the side of the zombie's head. I back away quickly and hope that it is head. If it isn't then I will attempt to do the exact same thing again int he same spot as before until I breach the skull."

That is the difference between "fantastic" and "as realistic as you can get when talking about fighting as zombie..."

[Behemoth]

That is the difference between "fantastic" as "as realistic as you can get when talking about fighting as zombie..."
Quite right! There are alot of leon kennedys on this forum. :lol:

[Faran Brigo]

I agree. Still, if Barbra could pretty much push them back with a revolver, I think you could knife them on the legs and run away without retaliation, is my point.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, it is possible to do it, but in a crowd of zombies, I would highly advise against it. You're squatting low to knife them in the first place, restricting your movement. But where are all of those zombies going to fall once you start attacking their legs? The answer is "Right On Top Of You!."

I think it is pretty much useless aiming for anything other than the head or the neck. Is it possible? Yes. Is it practical? Not Really.

[Faran Brigo]

Oh yes I agree, it's doable, I just don't think it's a good idea.

[Tripoli]

Shotgun!:shotg:

[stark55]

my combat knife.

[Tripoli]

my combat knife.

A combat knife to kill ZOMBIES in a close combat situation?:lol:

[beyerwrestler]

Id say shovel because not only is it a tool that can be used to dig up trenches and help fortify bases, but can also either knock out or kill a dead with a bang to the head.

[jagus12]

I dont know what to choose, an axe, a baseball bat or a machete...
All three of them! :lol:

PD: Im a zombie sergeant now! Yay!

[foolmasterz]

seems to me one of the best "at hand" weapons would be a crow bar....heavy enough to bash things with, yet light enough to carry, and not to akward to hold. its also got some great tool use, and a pointed end, which i know is not a great thing but its better than nothing. its also not going to bend...a bat doesnt have as much tool use, and is heavier. and a shovel is really heavy, and big.

[Onslaught]

all depends on the shovel.

the one that lives in my truck is about 2.5 ft long with a short square head and a perpendicular hadle at the opposite end. your basic gardening shovel, not a full size spade. it'd do in a pinch.

as far as weapons "at hand", it's a tie between the wrecking bar and shovel for me.

the local gander mountain is selling a nice 1/4" thick machette though, that might prove interesting. it's at least three times as thick as your typical ontario sheetmetal type machete*, so it would resist flexing quite well.

*not counting the distal taper.

[foolmasterz]

well, i suppose that's better than a spade. i hadn't thought about that. I happen to have no "shovel deluxe" in my truck. ha. hmm....would it be possible to slowly sharpen the edges of that shovel? probably not practical...

and my only problem with a machete, or any sword like weapon like it is that there is a possibility that it would get stuck were you to try to cut of the fiends head. it could also get dull after time. however, i have wandered around with a machete before and they quite comfortable to cart around.
i would stick with a crowbar. just to be safe.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you own a machete, I would hope that you know how to take care of one. Just like cleaning a gun is essential for the gun to work well, sharpening and polishing a blade is essential for it to keep in perfect cutting condition.

[Trumble0]

I would probably go with what a couple people have said and Pick a nice Crowbar. I use a crowbar alot at work, so it would be easy to acquire, it would be handy in opening doors... And a shot to the temple would definitely do some damage to a zombie, plus the worst that could happen is it gets bent, doesnt affect its usefulness as much as other weapons. Or maybe a pair of Long handle all steel bolt cutters, my grandfather has a pair of 2 1/2 ft bolt cutters that weigh about 6 pounds, you could cut padlocks off stuff and they have enough heft to them to cause damage if you swung them.

[Shuffles]

Entrenchment tool for the win! A tool I can use for everything from bashing a zombie's head in, to digging my own grave. :D

[foolmasterz]

bolt cutters sould work too. i wouldnt happen to have those at hand which is why i didnt think of that.
but thats another reason i like the crowbar. even if it did bend, not likely, its efectiveness would be little effected.
and with a mechete, you could carry around a kit for keeping it shap and happy, but how much owuld that weigh, and how much space would that take up?

[bookworm696]

I chose a shovel
Im quite fond of using it as a weapon...
you can always sharpen the edges... and use it to decapitate the zeds... no?
and it comes in handy when you want to dig trenches :)

[Trumble0]

Get a Spetsnaz Shovel, it's an entrenchment tool that they sharpen for fighting with... sounds kind of odd, but I wouldn't want to get tomahawked with a trench shovel :lol:

[50 cal]

I voted baseball bat. Should have voted "other" though. Something with a weighted end to give mass on the follow through.

[Bob]

Not to be picky but most of the things listed are not bludgeons.

[DevilsRain]

I picked other. lol I would pick a gun. Silly boys, close combat weapons are for girls. hee hee. I like the shotgun! Boom and they go down!

[foolmasterz]

ok first if your really a dude say so because the pic it obviously not yourself, such a nerdy chick would never be that hawt. They were refering to a non-projectile weapon. but ill give you the benefit of the doubt...shot would be good against the more likely form of zombie (watch 28 days later to get the general idea) but it's too noisy too limited range too long too heavy low ammo capacity and heavy blowback/recoil. just not effective enough for zombie hordes. one zombie it would be great against but when are you gonna be sure when there's just one? not to mention why waste precious ammunition when you could simply beat the one to "death"? if your want a gun so badly you'll want a revolver or a glock. glock is infinitely better if you manage to get a silencer. glocks are extremely well made. if you know a bit about guns you'll know that most guns if under water will becom water logged but glocks do not become water logged. glocks do not jam. glocks are able to use just about any size caliber ammo on the market and they come in all sizes so however compact you want there you go but glocks are only good against hordes of zombies if you have several clips not just a lot of ammo so if clips are in low supply keep a revolver around. but anyways bat crowbar or lead pipe are still some of the best. unh son! pa-honage!

[Bob]

Glocks do indeed rule.
I used to be a 1911 guy, I bought my first Glock just to shut a friend up.
I liked it so much I now have 5 of them.

Currently I am toying with the idea of a supressor.
I can't decide whether I want a 22 supressor for fun or 9mm supressor for even more fun.

A supressed 22 would be great for zombie supression but the 9mm brings centerfire reliability and more "punch with it".
On the other hand if it was a 45 supressor I wouldn't have to worry about subsonic ammunition.
Decisions Decisions...

[ultimatebaka]

What....no crowbar??:drinking:

That's right, where's the crowbar?! For many reasons it's the ultimate zed survival tool! :shock:

[Hitman]

Glocks do indeed rule.
I used to be a 1911 guy, I bought my first Glock just to shut a friend up.
I liked it so much I now have 5 of them.

Currently I am toying with the idea of a supressor.
I can't decide whether I want a 22 supressor for fun or 9mm supressor for even more fun.

A supressed 22 would be great for zombie supression but the 9mm brings centerfire reliability and more "punch with it".
On the other hand if it was a 45 supressor I wouldn't have to worry about subsonic ammunition.
Decisions Decisions...


A .22lr suppresor will be , the quietest , lightest , smallest ,and most inexpensive both to buy and shoot (get one that you can take appart to clean) . it is what will make people at the range take notice .

a 9mm is the next best sound wise (on a semi-auto) . most 147gr ammo is subsonic , so no problems there (I shoot a fair bit of super sonic in mine as well) . it will also be hearing safe dry (wet will be quieter)

the .45 looks good at first , but the large bore and slow moving gasses really make it a hard one to quiet down. most .45 cans are not hearing safe dry . and wet is both messy and a PIA , just to get down to 9mm sound levels .

[Bob]

I have fired a suppressed Mac 10 (45 acp) while it was much much quieter it was still fairly loud. I would not say it required hearing protection but the can was large. It was larger than I think would work well on a true pistol like a Glock.

I think 22 would be the most fun.

[Hitman]

subgun cans tend to be much bigger. the higher volume of fire and the fact that handgun cans need to be light enough to still cycle the pistol.

[Bob]

Perhaps my next step should be to do a cost analysis of 22 vs 9mm.

Seemingly it would be much easier and probably cheaper to modify a Glock to accept a suppressor than a Ruger Mark III.

[Onslaught]

bolt cutters sould work too. i wouldnt happen to have those at hand which is why i didnt think of that.
but thats another reason i like the crowbar. even if it did bend, not likely, its efectiveness would be little effected.
and with a mechete, you could carry around a kit for keeping it shap and happy, but how much owuld that weigh, and how much space would that take up?

it would weigh about as much as a small file, two pieces of sand paper and an oily rag. it'd take about the same ammount of space.

[secretcog]

A handgun is (in my opinion) the best close quarters combat weapon. You can use it to bludgeon an opponent away from you, or discharge it's projectile at close range for maximum damage.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/EvilRedGrin/Zombiehandgun2-animate-animate.gif

[Trumble0]

A handgun is (in my opinion) the best close quarters combat weapon. You can use it to bludgeon an opponent away from you, or discharge it's projectile at close range for maximum damage.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn137/EvilRedGrin/Zombiehandgun2-animate-animate.gif

I was wondering if guns were fair game, because I'd have a crowbar, but it would be a last resort. If I had a pistol or a Shotgun I would consider that CQB, not like you'd try to shoot anything beyond 10-20 yards with a shotgun unless you're using slugs, there's a reason New Englander's call 'em Scatterguns :lol:, I consider anything inside of 15 yards to be CC. I think a 12gauge or the Taurus Judge .410 revolver would be a menacing weapon in CC.

[stark55]

a large, unbalanced ax blade on the end of an unwieldy pole would make a great weapon if you were actually trained in using one proficiently. Of course, the greater task than actually finding an instructor to train you in the ways of the halberd would be to find a REAL halberd that is sharp and reliable.

its not that hard to figure out really and watching some vids online can get you allot of info.

[stark55]

http://www.rmjforge.com/eagle_talon.htm

isn't it pretty?

that comes after my machete and with my combat knife.

[Bob]

Anyone know where I can get a titanium crow bar?
Don't post links where they state they are out of stock or no longer available or I will ridicule you.

[Tripoli]

Bob, the ones I found were not cheep.

http://www.qualitysafetytools.com/ccp0-catshow/Titanium_Wrecking_Bar.html

http://www.titaniumtools.com/



I bought mine through “Harbor Freight” it is a 28 inch and I paid less than $30.00 for it. You might want to call a few stores in your area. If the store doesn’t carry it they will check other stores to find “old” stock.

P.S. Many years ago I bought a 48 inch titanium wrecking bar and it is my pride and joy.

[Trumble0]

http://www.rmjforge.com/eagle_talon.htm

isn't it pretty?

that comes after my machete and with my combat knife.

Hahahaha... that is pretty sweet, but I am wondering... what makes one tomahawk more "Tactical" than another :lol:

Also, I am wondering why haven't I heard reports of any Tomahawk'ings in Iraq if the Marines carry them, I'm sure the media would headline something like that. As if killing someone with a bullet was less barbaric than stabbing them. Killing is killing as long as it is done quickly.

[Dave Of The Dead]

most tactical tomahawks have sharpened beards and a spike rather than a butt. I think you don't see reports on soldiers killing insurgents with these things because they don't. Why kill a man with an axe when you have a M16 and another side-arm to go along with it. Its like the analogy of taking a knife to a gun fight... except its a tomahawk.

[Kemper]

A torch would be mine.

[2superblus]

A large crowbar for close quarter undead combat.

[Bob]

For just hitting zeds would a crowbar really be superior to a piece of steel pipe?

[jagus12]

For just hitting zeds would a crowbar really be superior to a piece of steel pipe?

Yep, and the other good thing about the almighty crowbar is that it can also be used as a tool to open doors and stuff like that...
ALL HAIL TO THE ALMIGHTY CROWBAR!

[JakAttak]

AMEN

Yeah the crowbar also weighs less and will last longer

[Bob]

For just hitting zeds would a crowbar really be superior to a piece of steel pipe?

Please reread my question.

[Tripoli]

For just hitting zeds would a crowbar really be superior to a piece of steel pipe?

The answer is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, “YES!” The “Crow Bar” has a smaller surface area and will provide more “pounds per square inch” at the point of impact than a fatter piece of pipe (given the same weight, length, and speed of impact).

All this means, greater penetration and transference of energy (damage) to the skull and brain of a ZOMBIE.

[Bob]

I agree but only sort of for the reason you said
What I was looking for is that most crowbars are not round.
The edges of the hexagonal shape would concentrate the force.

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/1346/13011303eodng8.jpg

[Darkness]

"Not to mention that most steel pipes are hollow, where all crow bars are solid metal." ;-)

[Serai]

Much a fan as I am of the Baseball bat, I'd much rather have a shovell with me.

[Bob]

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/6257/russianthrowshovelam9.jpg

[Onslaught]

Yep, and the other good thing about the almighty crowbar is that it can also be used as a tool to open doors and stuff like that...
ALL HAIL TO THE ALMIGHTY CROWBAR!

while i agree that the wrecking bar can be used as a decently effective weapon, one question comes to mind.

has anyone ever actually pried open a locked door with one?

i'm not talking about "in the history of man", i'm asking if anyone on this board has personally pried open a locked door with a wrecking bar?

residential exterior doors swing inward. --not much to pry on there. you could try to knock the handle off though.

businesses use aluminum or steel framed glass doors nowadays. --you'll bend the frame and shatter the door before you pry through the deadbolt.

car doors? -- good luck with that. just break the window.

they are good for padlocks though.

while i wouldn't refuse one, i have no illusions about the ability of a wrecking bar to pry open modern doors. if i want into a place, i'll go through the window. i know the wrecking bar can handle that.

wrecking bar + rug = win.

[Corpse Grinder]

I was originally gonna pick "Other" and mention the Crowbar, but I chose "Shovel" instead. I have a sod spade which I used to use when I worked at a cemetary years ago.

Not only is it useful to digging quick holes to bury the dead or trash, but it makes a great melee weapon, since it't flatter than regular shovels or spade. I've been playing-er-practicing with it for years and if I can lop off thick branches, I'm sure it'll cut through arms and necks and severe spines in a pinch.

They're pretty light & durable and you can just swing it around to knock down a small swarm with the flat part if your surrounded and think you can run away. You can also smack someone (non-zombie) in the back of the head with the flat part if they get too unruly in your survivor group.

http://www.hpihomecenter.com/catalog/ec_border_spade.jpg

[Tripoli]

I for one am not anti-shovel as a melee weapon but it is far from being the “Best Close Combat Weapon”.

The shovel posted by “Bob” (thinking it is the one made by Cold Steel or Russian surplus) is a fine tool (I have 2 “cold steel”) and would work in a pinch. “Corpse Grinder”, the picture you provided is equally nice also but I don’t know the model.

I am no expert on close combat weapons and like I posted before a 12 gauge pump shotgun sounds betters than a shovel. After all this is about “the best close combat weapon” not the best melee weapon.

Bob’s example, could have four sharp edged and might be able to cut flesh well. However, I don’t know if there is enough weight to punch through a ZOMBIE’S skull and damage the brain.

“Corpse Grinder” your shovel, with that long handle might be difficult to swing in “Close Combat”. The longer handle will allow the swinger to deliver more damage but that will take room or distance from the target.

My point? As I have searched for “close combat weapons” I keep reading shotgun, pistol, SMG, sword, crow/wrecking bar, bat, and other weapons. Shovels are not at the top of anybody’s lists.

[Corpse Grinder]

I agree with you, Tripoli, on a gun as probably the better defense weapon against zombies, but didn't choose that in the "Other" section either since I figured there's already a gun thread and not everybody might not be able to get any firearms or they might have already run out of ammo. Plus, sometimes you need something to make less noise.

Shovels, crowbars, axes, pickaxes and even machettes are also useful in regular survival areas where you would use the right tool for the job.

There really is no "Best close combat weapon", just whatever you happen to grab at that moment and hope for the best!

[Tripoli]

Here you scored “PayDirt” (yep, that pun was intentional). The “Best close combat weapon, just whatever you happen to grab at that moment and hope for the best.”

[stizzorm]

I think most of these would be serviceable. For those who aren't outdoorsy, a machete is more likely to bind in a target than an axe. A machete with a nice convex edge (not flat or concave) should not only retain cutting power, but also resist binding almost as well as the axe.

I wouldn't want a wood chopping or fire axe for fighting. Many have pointed out the utility and effectiveness of a hatchet or tomahawk, and they should certainly do the trick. For me, though, I'd take my Norse style battle axe (single edge, thanks). It's light enough to correct a bad swing and decisive enough to dismember and decapitate (so I've been convincingly told). I just like it for backyard cutting.

I just don't know if a machete would have the mass to get through the cervical vertabrae. Maybe.

[Dave Of The Dead]

The machete I have was custom made for me in India. It had a 10" blade with the back end measuring 1/4 and inch thick and tapers down to a very sharp edge. Its made of spring steel so it is very resilient. I chop wood with it and have no troubles with slicing a piece of wood down the middle in one chop just like a hatchet. Of course, a machete like this compared to a wal-mart brand is a little unfair.

[Bob]

But what does it weigh?

[Dave Of The Dead]

Its a little over the 2lb mark. I've been out chopping wood with it for more than an hour with nothing sore but a blister on my palm.

[Bob]

Hmmm
I wonder what a conventional one weighs.
Is it made out of a vehicle leaf spring?
I ask because years ago I read somewhere that is good source for steel to make blades.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, its the surplus spring steel they use for semi suspensions.

[Trumble0]

Hmmm
I wonder what a conventional one weighs.
Is it made out of a vehicle leaf spring?
I ask because years ago I read somewhere that is good source for steel to make blades.

Ive seen one before, Friend of a friend had an old scrap yard, got bored one day and fashioned a sort of full tang machete out of a leaf spring off an old army truck. I've also seen a bowie knife made out of a lawn mower blade that was broken on one end. Improvised weapons can be handy, and of course very dangerous and therefore fun :lol: I have had dangerous manfactured weapons though... Had a :poo:ty bootknife made in Pakistan... should have been my first clue... but anyways long story short, the handle fell off because the knife had no tang, the blade and handguard were glued onto the handle :roll:

[mattifikation]

my first read through that i was convinced you were telling us a story about your friend's full tanged mustache.

i need new glasses...

[Trumble0]

my first read through that i was convinced you were telling us a story about your friend's full tanged mustache.

i need new glasses...

Hahahahaha

[Tripoli]

I am sure we all have read these stories. I don’t think these type of “close combat weapons” will work!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430701,00.html

[Tripoli]

Its a little over the 2lb mark. I've been out chopping wood with it for more than an hour with nothing sore but a blister on my palm.

I built this knife from ½ 1973 F-150 leaf spring. It has a handle now and is razor sharp. I built this using a metal file, hacksaw, drill, metal sandpaper, “Sex” screws, 10 ton press, and metal polish. I left it rough so you can see it was hand made. BTW the blade is 11 ½ inches and a total length of 17 ¼ inch. The weight is 2 pounds 7 ounces.

I was unable to upload the pic... will try again later.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I am sure we all have read these stories. I don’t think these type of “close combat weapons” will work!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,430701,00.html

There are a lot of things that happen like that. It all has to do with where you stab or whatever. My thread about that was moved to the topic titled "Nothing but Headshots."

[VideoJunkie]

I do love carrying a machete, but I've had one get stuck in a thick branch more than once. I've gotta assume that the same thing could happen with a skull. So while I'd probably pick one up if I had the chance, my choice for close combat would be an aluminum bat. It's something you could pick up anywhere if you didn't have one. It's lightweight and packs a punch. Of course I'd still prefer a 9mm with high capacity magazines. (see Bob, I didn't say clips!) For my backup weapon of course I want another 9mm... Honestly, although I do understand the need for occasional melee, I'm just not that enamored of the whole 'up close and personal' with zack! Hey, if zack really needs to go down quiet, I'll just let Bioweapon put an arrow in it's head. I'd try myself, but the last time I shot an arrow was at Boy Scout camp about a hundred years ago. Hey, if we're attacked by stationary hay bales, I'm good for about 50% at 10 yards...That bat is looking better all the time.

[JakAttak]

aluminum bats bend man

[mattifikation]

I want one of Cold Steel's polypropylene bats...

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't understand why people think that aluminum bats will bend like a twizzler after hitting zeds in the head with them (not literally). If you think about it, those bats were designed to hit a baseball thrown at maybe 70 mph while you swing the bat at maybe 30 (estimation). That is a not of force focused on one point of the bat since the ball is round and is only making contact with a very small area. If you hit someone in the head with one, its not as much force at the point of impact and is also being directed to a much larger area. Of course after extensive use, the bat will start to wear, but its nothing more than playing t-ball with zed heads.

[Zombia planner]

i feel sorry for everyone in close quaters combat using a bat, because the second your in a hallway and have no room to swing, welcome to the zombie kingdom

[Bob]

In that hallway I would rather have a pistol than a rifle.
I would sling my AR and use a pistol.
Held in a close control grip I truly believe I could relieve him of his cerebrospinal fluid before he could grab me or my pistol.
We should all practice point shooing, hold close ready then engage multiple targets.

[GunSlingerInferno]

I know it has fairly short reach, but I really like my Kukri.

[detpat]

all folks should have been taught basic defensive skills before they reach high school age. Unfortunately too many folks feel that it's a badge of sophistication to have no skills at all.

Victim culture sob sisters and effete urban elitists. I believe that these are code for zed chow! [or any other monster that feels like eating them!]

[DarthJoe8]

Victim culture sob sisters and effete urban elitists. I believe that these are code for zed chow! [or any other monster that feels like eating them!]

That's hilarious!! :lol:

:drinking:

[Dave Of The Dead]

I know it has fairly short reach, but I really like my Kukri.

Amen. Best chopping blade I've ever used or owned. Better than a hatchet IMO

[homelitexl]

want a tommy gun in a 45 or 22 caliber and drum clip they make both or a rpg that fires anything that will fit down the barrel

[detpat]

While a Thompson is a cool classic weapon, i think it's utility in this application is gonna be limited, it fires a pistol class cartridge and is very heavy. I won't even address the clip vs magazine thing, and an RPG fires G's. It's not a smooth bore cannon it's a launcher for a particular type of unguided missile.

[VideoJunkie]

IMHO the best close combat weapon would be some random guy with a chainsaw. When things got to intense I'd just let random guy loose. With his chainsaw! Then, after he takes out the first couple of zeds and the next few dozen start munching on his brains, I'll haul ass outta there! The noise from the chainsaw should distract the zeds while I flee the area...uh, I mean perform a strategic withdrawal!

Hey, I don't mean we force some sane individual to wield a chainsaw on what is obviously a suicide mission. I'm sure we can find someone who would jump at the chance. Some people just love chainsaws!

[Bob]

Now I know little or nothing about baseball bats but it seems to me that a metal bat would hold up better than a wooden one.

[detpat]

tossing out the chainsaw guy is like an F-15 deploying flares.

[Spot]

Now i know metal bats seem nice, but the fact is there hollow and dont split skulls very well. i would personaly want to first line the insides of my jacket with a cheap chainmail (you can get it anywere) and for a weapon I would go with, well heres a consept, there are devices that hold a bullet and fire the round upon impact with something (used against aligators). Fix a 20 guage version on the end of an axe handle. you hit a zed in the head and you wont have hit hard. but you might only get one good hit with no time to reload........ thats bad but the first one you hit is realy realy dead.

[VideoJunkie]

tossing out the chainsaw guy is like an F-15 deploying flares.

Brilliant! I love the concept. You don't know how much I wish I'd said that!

[VideoJunkie]

there are devices that hold a bullet and fire the round upon impact with something (used against aligators). Fix a 20 guage version on the end of an axe handle. you hit a zed in the head and you wont have hit hard. but you might only get one good hit with no time to reload........ thats bad but the first one you hit is realy realy dead.

We used to call them Bang Sticks. They were used by divers against aggressive sharks. You're right, though, about the problem with a single shot weapon. It's too bad no one has invented a way to hold more than one shotgun shell or bullet at a time. Such a device could be even better if we had some other way to set it off. You know, instead of actually having to physically touch the target we could somehow hit a button or something to trigger the shell or bullet and make it go off. Theoretically you could use such a device to hit targets farther away than you could reach with a melee weapon. Damn, you might even be able to hit a target as much as 10 or even 20 yards away! I know its a crazy concept to grasp, but with a little research and determination, we might find some way to gun down zombies from a distance. Mind blowing, ain't it???:loon:

[detpat]

hmmmmm, i think i may have something like that around here..........I'll get back to you on this one.:x

[Necrowerx]

IMHO the best close combat weapon would be some random guy with a chainsaw. When things got to intense I'd just let random guy loose. With his chainsaw! Then, after he takes out the first couple of zeds and the next few dozen start munching on his brains, I'll haul ass outta there! The noise from the chainsaw should distract the zeds while I flee the area...uh, I mean perform a strategic withdrawal!

Hey, I don't mean we force some sane individual to wield a chainsaw on what is obviously a suicide mission. I'm sure we can find someone who would jump at the chance. Some people just love chainsaws!

LOL !! Oh, I don't know, just who might you be referring to around here..? :think: :evil:

We used to call them Bang Sticks. They were used by divers against aggressive sharks. You're right, though, about the problem with a single shot weapon. It's too bad no one has invented a way to hold more than one shotgun shell or bullet at a time. Such a device could be even better if we had some other way to set it off. You know, instead of actually having to physically touch the target we could somehow hit a button or something to trigger the shell or bullet and make it go off. Theoretically you could use such a device to hit targets farther away than you could reach with a melee weapon. Damn, you might even be able to hit a target as much as 10 or even 20 yards away! I know its a crazy concept to grasp, but with a little research and determination, we might find some way to gun down zombies from a distance. Mind blowing, ain't it???:loon:

That reminded me- I have a Remington 490 "Powder Actuated Tool"; basically it uses small cartridges (.22s?) to drive nails deep into concrete, maybe I could rig up something with that. This model doesn't require you to hit the back end with a hammer, instead it just uses a trigger. However, you still have to press the barrel right up against the target and compress it first. A little too close for comfort, unless I could rig something.

Basically though, I went with "Other", though I seriously considered "baseball bat" and (good quality) "machete". Ultimately, I opted for a crowbar, or maybe an Indian War club like the one Cold Steel sells.

[homelitexl]

chainsaw or sledge hammer all the way, yeah baby.

[Bob]

A sledge hammer?
Do you have some sort of fascination with Thor?

[homelitexl]

no they can cause head splitng action though.

[stonyman65]

I would go with a good old Ka-Bar. Maybe a lead pipe for the messy stuff

[chrisdastaberg]

id choose the titanuim crowbar

[MacSupreMe]

prett much anything metalic that has a bit of a reach, Nothing made out of wood it breaks...Sharp things get dull...

[homelitexl]

i have an idea it's called the r-p-d rocket propelled dildo. i designed it to keep people from running in wars. would you run away if thats what your up against but i also designed a sniper and machine gun version uses the metal kind for destruction. spot helped me design it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you expect to survive, sharpening a blade, any blade, is a good skill to learn.

[Bob]

Sharpening a knife is becoming a lost skill.

I can sharpen a knife to a useful edge with a flat rock. (I don't mean a sharpening stone)

I can also tie knots that don't slip.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Sharpening a knife is becoming a lost skill.

I can sharpen a knife to a useful edge with a flat rock. (I don't mean a sharpening stone)

I can also tie knots that don't slip.

I've learned to sharpen with an array of tools, toughest being that little sharpening knife that comes with a real kukri. But at the end of a day when I don't really want to **** around for a few minutes, I just plug in my industrial grinding wheel.

[homelitexl]

the r-p-d is the way of the future honestly would you turn around and run if i was firing it at you no and if you didn't then you get teabagged, but point being it's only weakness is an army of lesbians. or michael jackson.

[Bob]

Grinding wheel or grinder with a paper wheel?

[Dave Of The Dead]

Grinding wheel or grinder with a paper wheel?

The first one.

[Bob]

Is it a low speed water cooled wheel?

[homelitexl]

what my idea is good too, blame spot he helped build it. uh any way i found a chainsaw that cuts concrete i would use it.

[Bob]

Here ya go HomeliteXL

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6376/partnerk9501si7.jpg

[VideoJunkie]

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6376/partnerk9501si7.jpg

Ok, looks great. But this picture is missing the most important part! Where the hell is the 20 foot pole it mounts onto? Otherwise count me out!!!

[homelitexl]

no it works off of compresed air w\virtually anything as ammo.

[brainbuster]

If i could pick anything it a Katana im talking about a real one. full tang high carbon folded steel handcrafted with a razor edge. you could split several sculls with a single swing!:)

[brainbuster]

an axe handle would be better than an axe, the material is solid and narrow to focus the impact.
An axe handel would break before a skull ever would

[brainbuster]

I would go with a good old Ka-Bar. Maybe a lead pipe for the messy stuff
Do you really think you could stab through a scull with a knife? I dont think you realize how hard and dense a scull really is and the range of your attack would be as far as your hand witch could be intercepted by a infected mouth. A lead pipe is heavy enough to shatter a scull in a single swing sure, but lead is also soft and would deform after a couple of swings.

[detpat]

Nope dude, sure won't. I know this from personal experience on the job.

[Witchkid42]

I personally choose other, because, when it comes to stabbing things, what could be better than a lightsaber?

[homelitexl]

that is lame yeah the one i saw has a bar and chain like a regular chainsaw.