Best close combat weapon

[Littlejon126]

roges rite jonnyboy u take ur stick ill take my saw well see who will win

Just because I'm carrying a walking stick to help me carry my gear doesn't mean I am not toting my Ruger P89 and Hornady JHP's in its holster too...:loon: And it's not like you're going to sneak up on me either with that small engine running....:poo:

I don't see how carrying a large walking stick is going to affect my ability to tote a rifle either. If I carry my rifle (any one of them) African-carry (muzzle down, over left shoulder) and my walking stick in my right hand, I think I'd probably be fine. If anything, I might actually have a better quick response as I could use my pole to push a zombie away and draw my sidearm for a quick double tap to CNS. A pole in my hands beats a rifle on my shoulder every day of the week, especially if a Zack pops out right in front of me.

The other advantage is that unlike homelitexl (who's going to run buck naked through the woods holding his chain-gang running and dragging a 5 gallon gas tank behind him) I'm going to be carrying my external frame backpack, tent, sleeping bag, food, ammo, guns, Ka-bar and hunting knife, water, spare clothing, all-weather gear, medical supplies, paracord/rope and my EDC (every day carry) gear - all of which will weighs a considerable amount. That pole will certainly help me remain mobile during my exodus on foot from the city.

Obviously, I'd leave the walking stick at the dugout if I had to bat. If I were actively seeking a fight or expecting a conflict, I'd leave that crap in a secure location and travel light with my rifle ready, but I'm not gonna carry my rifle out in front of me at ready for 6+ hours while on the move.

[J Dub]

lanyards on blades absolutely, and if you worry about it coming back on you, hopefully you never hold a loaded gun :loon:
:lol:


claymore, next best thing to a gun imo.

[kiltedninja]

For close combat, I'd choose the baseball bat or crowbar. Great bludgeoning weapon, can be used to push zeds away. For last resort, I'd use a light hammer. Again, great for bludgeoning and pushing zeds away by chin!

Short, sharp weapons like daggers will just kill you. The blood might spatter onto you, and it might take too long getting the zed off you. The biggest problem with the dagger lies in the human heart.

Let's be realistic, gouging an eye is like cutting the flesh from a fruit; it's a fine motor skill. When the fear kicks in and the heart rate and adrenaline goes through the roof, and with a hulking zed too close for comfort, gouging the eye is an extremely difficult thing to do. You are likely to miss and scrape against the skull. And no, none of us are ninjas anyway, even those who claim to be trained ninjas. Once the fear and adrenaline kicks in, might as well slit your own throat.

A weapon which requires non-specific, simpler motor movements such as bludgeons are your best bet. Even machetes and hatchets might give problems and get stuck, though I do not doubt their destructive force. Katanas are excellent for decapitation, but not in a crammed area.

A katana is good if you know how to cut and care for it, if you want to use a blade, use a machete, they're not gonna get stuck, you're gonna ruin a katana if you don't know how to use it.

[Onslaught]

True, but even with a blade without a means of not dropping it...slippery handle could mean your own hand slides down the blade (see the O.J. trial) in this case you are F'ed as you are infected.

Only if you don't have a guard AND you're stabbing with it. Neither of which really apply with a hacking blade.


I'm not gonna carry my rifle out in front of me at ready for 6+ hours while on the move.

Zombies aren't the only threats in the undead world. Personally, I will keep the rifle ready. If I need to transition, i'll drop it (single point sling) and grab the steyr on my right side.


JDUB. With the slings, it's kind of like tetherball. When you impart force to a knife through a swing, and then you let go of that knife, it's going to want to keep going. But since you tied it to your wrist, it's going to travel in an arc, with the tether being the origin. And when it get's close to completing that arc, it's going to dig into your flesh. And about the loaded guns... I own a Steyr MA1 and you live in Canada.

[Littlejon126]

I tend to try to find as many uses for my gear as possible, which has dictated many of my gear choices. For example, rather than carrying my Romanian GP WASR-10 (which would certainly come along!) I would probably opt for my Yugo SKS or one of my Mosin-Nagants instead because they're much more effective for hunting, not to mention legal for hunting as well - which may not matter post Z-Poc but being an STL County L.E.O. in training, I try to set a good example and follow every law, especially local and state laws.

That's why I like the idea of the machete or large survival knife - good for slashing, chopping and hacking, maybe even stabbing - as opposed to the chainsaw or katana, which are limited to very specific roles and are not versatile at all.

It's also why I think that a walking stick could come in handy for multi-use applications. It would even be easily converted into a spear should ammo become scarce by binding and bracing my kabar to it. If I got stranded or injured, it could be used as a signaling device for auditory SOS signals (by striking something metal) or visually by attaching a chem-light stick to it and waving it back and forth over my head. It could be used as a torch, firewood kindling after waterproofing (as a last resort), used as a support to hold some of my gear up off of the wet ground, or hell even as the center support for a tee-pee type shelter. If there are any avid backpacking-types here on the site, y'all know what I mean about how useful a pole is for crossing a log bridge!

Sure, it's not the "best close combat weapon" as indicated by the thread title, but it's certainly amongst the most versatile of them. Sorry about the wall of text guys, I tend to write like I'm selling a short novel:doh:

[Onslaught]

Littlejon, I definitely get what you're saying. A sturdy stick can be a good thing to have. Heck, I've got more than a few laying around, and I prettymuch never head out into the woods without one. Unless I'm carrying a longarm. Now that I think about it, a telescoping shooting stick would do most of what you're talking about ,and while it could not be used as an impact weapon, it would certainly come in handy. As far as versatile improvised weapons go, Id say that a 4' stick even beats the so-loved crowbar.

But, as far as the "best" close combat weapon goes, (other than the pistol of course), I'm sticking with the falcata. I definitely agree with you on the big knife thing.

Also, what's stopping you from hunting with the wasr? There are 5 rounders available for it. I had one for my SAR-1 before I sold it. I don't know the laws in your area, but in most places magazine restrictions for hunting cap you at 5. Doesn't the SKS have a 10 rnd internal mag? How would you block it? Given those three I'd probably take the mosin too. The AK should be good out to 100yd or so, but depending on your particular wasr, we could be talking 2 MOA or 1 MOPieplate.

[Littlejon126]

Littlejon, I definitely get what you're saying. A sturdy stick can be a good thing to have. Heck, I've got more than a few laying around, and I prettymuch never head out into the woods without one. Unless I'm carrying a longarm. Now that I think about it, a telescoping shooting stick would do most of what you're talking about ,and while it could not be used as an impact weapon, it would certainly come in handy. As far as versatile improvised weapons go, Id say that a 4' stick even beats the so-loved crowbar.

But, as far as the "best" close combat weapon goes, (other than the pistol of course), I'm sticking with the falcata. I definitely agree with you on the big knife thing.

Also, what's stopping you from hunting with the wasr? There are 5 rounders available for it. I had one for my SAR-1 before I sold it. I don't know the laws in your area, but in most places magazine restrictions for hunting cap you at 5. Doesn't the SKS have a 10 rnd internal mag? How would you block it? Given those three I'd probably take the mosin too. The AK should be good out to 100yd or so, but depending on your particular wasr, we could be talking 2 MOA or 1 MOPieplate.

Shooting stick... that's actually not a bad idea. I've tossed that idea around but I don't have any practical exposure to them, nor have I used one before. I'll have to see if one of my buddies have one that I might borrow.

Here in Missouri we can hunt with rifles with up to eleven round capacities (they allow eleven for those who might be running +1 in a ten round rifle) and shotguns limited to three rounds in tube. Many people use the SKS for hunting here, in fact, most of my friends (and my own) first deer were taken with either SKS or lever action 30-30's. For deer (but not other game) you're required to use either SP or JHP ammo, but that's almost a given - hell I don't know why anyone would want to use FMJ on a white tail anyway...?

I've used my Mosin-Nagant M38 sucessfully in the past, and it's overkill for all but the largest white tail where using Wolf Gold 203 Gr. soft points. I saw a good sized buck go ass over tea kettle after getting nailed by a big 203 grain round, like he got hit by an International 9000 series truck. It was spectacular!! My WASR is definitely in the "minute of paper plate" category and not accurate enough to do the job reliably. I'm sure that if I was in a pinch it could do it, but I'd want to be within 75 yards. If it were more accurate I would consider it, but honestly I couldn't use it when my other rifles are more accurate.

I think the falcata would actually serve quite well against zombies. There are so many big knives to choose from that it'd be hard for me to pick one over all others...

[MSGardner]

A two foot piece of galvanized pipe seems like it would be a suitable close combat weapon. Does a scythe count as close combat?

[Darkness]

"A Sickle, yes. A Scythe, no." :)

[mattifikation]

Well I don't know about you, Darkness, but if I was within Scything range of a zombie I would consider myself "close" to it. :lol:

[kiltedninja]

A scythe has an angled blade for cutting grass, look at your lawn mower blades and that's about what a scythe's blade looks like. a Sickle has a straight blade, since it's a weaponised version of the same tool.

[Darkness]

"The Scythe has a straight blade true, but it sits at an awkward angle for fighting......"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythe

"Unless you were refering to The War Scythe..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_scythe

"......But the Sickle, has a curved blade, not a straight one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sickle


"The Scythe is what the Grim Reeper carries." :)


Well I don't know about you, Darkness, but if I was within Scything range of a zombie I would consider myself "close" to it. :lol:

"Very true. My point was just that it's usually considered a Pole Type Weapon. That's all." ;-) :lol:

[angekfire]

A walking stick (or even a smaller stick) is a great weapon, because it can easily be improvised. Walking through the woods, oh hey, a weapon right there! Very handy. Having a high quality one is obviously better, but if you're stuck and can't get to it for whatever reason, it's easy enought to find one, and it is multi-purpose.

Rattan is good, since it doesn't splinter easily. It's what they use in eskrima (something I want to learn).

[Littlejon126]

A walking stick (or even a smaller stick) is a great weapon, because it can easily be improvised. Walking through the woods, oh hey, a weapon right there! Very handy. Having a high quality one is obviously better, but if you're stuck and can't get to it for whatever reason, it's easy enought to find one, and it is multi-purpose.

Rattan is good, since it doesn't splinter easily. It's what they use in eskrima (something I want to learn).

The SCA (Society for Creative Anachronism) also uses rattan for their "swords" - their logic is there are three kinds of sword fighting:
1) Real swords, real fighting, real fatalities!
2) Real swords, fake fighting, no injuries
3) Fake swords, real fighting, fewer injuries.

These guys suit up in armor and heavy duty period-correct helmets (to prevent concussions, fatality and broken bones) and beat the tar out of each other. They also do lots of other Renaissance fair type stuff. I did it for a while b/c this girl I dated was into it, and it was actually a lot of fun, but I felt like such a nerd.... But hey, it's not like this zombie thing is any less nerdy.....?! And this girl was HOTT!!

I suggest to anyone wanting to use a medieval-type weapon to consider joining the SCA. They have redeveloped a period correct European martial art (using legitimate techniques) and if you also study ARMA/HEMA, you will do quite well. Some of these people really get into it.

[angekfire]

I have done SCA sparring once in the past, and the fencing I do is SCA style.

The fencing is far more combat accurate and effective. You are using a real blade with real attacks, however the tip is capped and it isn't sharpened so you aren't going to kill the other person.

SCA armored combat on the other hand is FAR from legit combat. The fighters use sticks, which are weighted far differently than real swords. The methods are entirely different. I have trained in broadblade and we used a different method for training weapons than rattan, and they were far closer to a real balance. The rattan combat has essentially developed into it's own modern sport with little realism, which is why I opted not to continue with it. It was about being efficient with a stick, not what would be efficient with a sword.

Now, I also almost joined a medieval sword guild which trained with live steel long swords and often armor, and it was completely different. Combat usually resulted in using the sword much like a dagger and trying to pierce through the gaps in the armor. They were way too intense for me though, and it was more of a club than a class, and they basically decided it was up to everyone to learn for themselves without real instruction. If I wanted to do that, I could do it on my own without paying a several hundred dollar membership fee yearly.

SCA armored combat is not legit at all. It is legit SCA combat, not legit historical combat re-enactment.

[TheSurvivalist]

I'd have to go with dual Kurki Ghurkas. Or, a small Katana held in one hand, with a Ghurka in the other.

Either way

Complete domination

[kiltedninja]

Rattan splinters like crazy, I've busted two or three sticks quite easily from my Escrima class. Ash or oak wood is a little more rigid.

For thesurvivalist, go with a pair of kukris, because katanas are quite easy to ruin.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

Thats what I would go with myself. I bought a kukri last week. Should be here soon.

[kiltedninja]

I got to play with a friend's kukri the other day and god damn it was fun to just hold it, swing it at shit, and I chopped a piece of wood with it.

[Bob]

Raiders of the Lost Ark
Market scene where girl is kidnapped
Indiana Jones
Revolver
Bang
There went a lifetime of practice with a sword into the ground.

[AZombieAttack]

Raiders of the Lost Ark
Market scene where girl is kidnapped
Indiana Jones
Revolver
Bang
There went a lifetime of practice with a sword into the ground.

That was funny as hell.....:)

[Shufflef00t]

I'm a big fan of the trench spike. There's a baton style weapon, I think they're called tonfa, make one with spiked ends, that gets my vote too.

[kiltedninja]

Raiders of the Lost Ark
Market scene where girl is kidnapped
Indiana Jones
Revolver
Bang
There went a lifetime of practice with a sword into the ground.

Even though I'm a trained fighter, that's what should be done if you have the means to do it.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

Still has nothing to do with this thread.....

[homelitexl]

id take a chainsaw

[unnamedbaby77]

out of the listed items I would chose the machete because they are light and deadly for some long lasting zombie bashing

if I had a choice I would go for a Korean jin gum(sp??) which is a very light very sturdy katana gotta back up with a good combat/survival knife

[kiltedninja]

My biggest thing with swords is whether or not you are trained to use it. Alot of people have training in swinging a machete or hammer or hatchet, but seldom do you have anyone who's trained in a sword. Go with whatever you can use though.

[Shufflef00t]

Do you all think that a spiked police baton, held underhand and long end out, could punch through the skull if thrusted in a forward motion/ punching action?efficient or no? Quick kill?

[unnamedbaby77]

My biggest thing with swords is whether or not you are trained to use it. Alot of people have training in swinging a machete or hammer or hatchet, but seldom do you have anyone who's trained in a sword. Go with whatever you can use though.

agreed .. i have spent a long time tring to convince the mall ninjas that a ninja/ samurai sword is not the best way to go on Z-day.

even with years of training in the basic application of the sword I still would not want one on Z-day ...to much wear on wrist and forearms to little distance between me and the goons,

I have seen pics of a guy who had years and years of quick draw resheathing training who resheathed into his forearm by accident once

spooky...give me a jin gum or a good machete any day

the gerber gator is a good machete btw


check it
http://www.trueswords.com/images/prod/c/gerber_gator_machete_540.jpg

[WillD]

Machete for me ^_^ Easy to swing, Easy to chop :D

[kiltedninja]

I think it's the general consensus that the machete is the best way to go when it comes to Close combat weapons. They're simple, easy to find, and effective.

[mattifikation]

I must be the odd one out. I'd still rather have a bat, a medium length stick, or something else along those lines.

If I'm 2 feet away from a zombie, I don't want it bleeding all over me. Just, no...

[kiltedninja]

You still get bled on from blunt force trauma. It can get pretty bloody.

[Sammo909]

Machetes are easy to find, I picked one up at a car boot sale yesterday for 35 bucks. She's a bit rusted and not too sharp anymore, but there's definite potential here. I'll have to get my brother to sharpen it and show me how to get the rust out but I think she'll do well.

[kiltedninja]

35 bucks is expensive for a machete. She best be worth it.

[angekfire]

If it is just some minor surface rust & discolouration, I think a scotch-brite pad can do the trick.

[unnamedbaby77]

If it is just some minor surface rust & discolouration, I think a scotch-brite pad can do the trick.

if not trey naval jelly and a wire brush

or WD40 with a steel wool pad

[mattifikation]

You still get bled on from blunt force trauma. It can get pretty bloody.

You're still thinking "kill the zombies," and I'm still thinking "Keep them off me so I can get away."

There wouldn't be much trauma or blood if I was just knocking legs out from under shamblers with a bat or pushing them over with a stick.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I suppose that changes things a little bit.

[Onslaught]

Definitely a valid point, but what are you going to do with them if you can't get away? Not all fights are in the open, and sometimes the ones you knock down may fall in the path of your intended exit.

Where is everyone planning on keeping their close combat weapon when they're not using it? Not too many shovels/baseball bats come with QD sling swivels.

[mattifikation]

That's why I like the collapsible baton, for storage.

A blunt weapon would be capable of full-on attacking a zombie if I needed it to, but a bladed weapon will never be able to be used in a way that won't draw blood.

[Dark Comic]

Well actually I've heard that the other side of a machete blade is far from sharp. :lol:

[Onslaught]

Well actually I've heard that the other side of a machete blade is far from sharp. :lol:

What he said.

Also, who is to say that zombies will have liquid blood? Sure, the fresh ones will, but it seems that more than a few movies depict mature zombies as being full of sludge.

Also, good idea with the baton. Concentrating all of the force of a swing on that tiny steel ball makes them quite devistating. They're good for joint locks too. I really enjoy the compact package, out of the way until you need it.

With the prevailing opinions being that blades are messy, or messier than bludgeons, I wonder if there would be some sort of test for that kind of thing. It seems to me that hitting a skull and (relatively) intact brain with a bat or other club would cause some rather violent splatter given the ammount of pressure you'd be imparting. Maybe smacking hanging oranges/grapefruits with a bat/machete to compare where the droplet patterns go?

[unnamedbaby77]

Definitely a valid point, but what are you going to do with them if you can't get away? Not all fights are in the open, and sometimes the ones you knock down may fall in the path of your intended exit.

Where is everyone planning on keeping their close combat weapon when they're not using it? Not too many shovels/baseball bats come with QD sling swivels.

good point but a simple length or rope or string makes a decent sling in a pinch....and I hear zombies pinch.

also MOLLE webbing makes spectacular holders for just about anything phallic!

[kiltedninja]

What he said.

Also, who is to say that zombies will have liquid blood? Sure, the fresh ones will, but it seems that more than a few movies depict mature zombies as being full of sludge.

Also, good idea with the baton. Concentrating all of the force of a swing on that tiny steel ball makes them quite devistating. They're good for joint locks too. I really enjoy the compact package, out of the way until you need it.

With the prevailing opinions being that blades are messy, or messier than bludgeons, I wonder if there would be some sort of test for that kind of thing. It seems to me that hitting a skull and (relatively) intact brain with a bat or other club would cause some rather violent splatter given the ammount of pressure you'd be imparting. Maybe smacking hanging oranges/grapefruits with a bat/machete to compare where the droplet patterns go?

They do tests like that man. and a blunt object makes a different pattern than a sharp object.

I'd stick to the sharp thing, I like making less mess. Plus it's one less zombie that I have to deal with in the immediate future.

[mattifikation]

A blunt object only makes a mess if you go for a kill shot. When it comes to zombies, any mess is the same mess. A blade doesn't give you any "no mess at all" option, that's why I don't favor them.

[angekfire]

I'm more concerned about living than having a little blood on me.

[mattifikation]

On Z-Day, that blood might as well be poison.

[rogeneck]

if you want to test some blood splatter then cover a bag full of koolaid in a thin layer of spray foam. poke some holes in the bag with a needle and the swing away. if you get any on your face then your in trouble.

[kiltedninja]

Or you could look it up, the internet probably has some information on blood spatter.

I favor blades because I can kick out knees, or push a zombie over, but I can't cut a leg or arm or head off with my boot heel now can I?

Plus I'm likely to replace my baton and just carry both.

[SWAT Zombie]

if i could choose any hand to hand weapon i think a studded mace would be it. that spiked ball would probably cave in a zombies head quite nicely.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/6063/westuddedmace.jpg

there might be a problem with splatter tho. a mace without spikes might be the better alternative. if i had to choose a more accessible weapon (and its likely i would have to) i'd go for a nice sturdy wood chopping axe. you could use the sharp side or bash with the blunt side.
and any weapon that is used to repeatedly strike something will wear down over time. might be good to have several stored at your safe place.

[mattifikation]

I never understood how one is supposed to store those things on their person without smashing a bit or a piece that they hold very dear...

[Dark Comic]

I never understood how one is supposed to store those things on their person without smashing a bit or a piece that they hold very dear...

With a frog .....
http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/c-102-leather-frogs.aspx
..... The head of the mace stay relatively still at your hip. Fear not for your bits and pieces, they can stay safe.

[angekfire]

On Z-Day, that blood might as well be poison.

In which case I would get something to cover my face to prevent it from infecting me. Seems a lot easier than trying to avoid the splatter altogether.

[SWAT Zombie]

With a frog .....
http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/c-102-leather-frogs.aspx
..... The head of the mace stay relatively still at your hip. Fear not for your bits and pieces, they can stay safe.

i like some of the armour on that site too. the leather stuff should be fairly effective against zombies. the arm and neck pieces in particular
http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/c-2-leather-armour.aspx

[homelitexl]

after all this time im still goin with....
,..... Chainsaw

[RyDub]

I'd say a hatchet/axe would probably be best, but using the blunt end of it rather then the sharp end because chances are once you get the sharp end in, you will have a hell of a time getting it out.

[unnamedbaby77]

after all this time im still goin with....
,..... Chainsaw

is this a good time to address the fact that chainsaws make terrible weapons?

speaking from years of experience they have super odd balance and kind of a gyro effect when you swing it, plus it would take all day to get through one body as they are made to cut hard targets

[echo112]

I'm going upon the view that if they get close enough for me to have to use a close combat weapon then there's too many for me to kill any way. but i would definitely use a trench knife for my last few feeble swings before i die.:evil::lol:

[echo112]

is this a good time to address the fact that chainsaws make terrible weapons?

speaking from years of experience they have super odd balance and kind of a gyro effect when you swing it, plus it would take all day to get through one body as they are made to cut hard targets

Don't go there mate... i get the feeling this is a long running debate here.:roll:

[homelitexl]

wanna bet i used 2 run 1 4 a livin til i got layed off and quit

[mattifikation]

I don't think debate is the right word for it.

[DarthJoe8]

is this a good time to address the fact that chainsaws make terrible weapons?


You're new around these parts huh?? :drinking:

[homelitexl]

chainsaws r a good weapon

[angekfire]

I'm going upon the view that if they get close enough for me to have to use a close combat weapon then there's too many for me to kill any way. but i would definitely use a trench knife for my last few feeble swings before i die.:evil::lol:

Well, realistically, lets say you run out of ammo for your gun, and your only weapon left is a knife, but you've made it to your safe-zone, but there happens to be a few zombies wandering around already. Lets say 5, all seperated. You're gunna have to clear them out before you can fortify, and if you only need to deal with 1 at a time, it's doable.

Of course, a slightly longer weapon than a knife is probably optimal, such as a machete or axe. A knife won't extend your reach by enough, IMO you still gotta get too close for comfort. If you could take out a leg then go in close, maybe. But also, I doubt a nife is going to be good enough to decapitate a zed.

A knife is definitely a good tool to have, and better than nothing at all.

chainsaws r a good weapon

Lawlz. As has been mentioned countless times, how are you going to haul around enough gas, and it is heavy to wield.

[kiltedninja]

Angekfire, Unnamedbaby, you're fighting a losing battle, I'm telling you to give up, he's set in his ways.

[Bob]

Thats why it's funny.

The best close combat weapon bar none is a 9mm pistol.
High capacity, low recoil.

Although check this puppy out based on a Glock 17

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/6064/52274000.jpg

[homelitexl]

i like that bob

[Onslaught]

modern day sword.

[unnamedbaby77]

I like this one ...SUPER low recoil 45 ACP

http://www.enemyforces.net/firearms/kriss_super_v.jpg

http://media.hamptonroads.com/media/content/pilotonline/2007/10/1012gun360x352.jpg

http://media.hamptonroads.com/media/content/pilotonline/2007/10/1012guna500x325.jpg


or one of these!(in case you are wondering that is a magazine fed 12ga shotgun under that AR there)

http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/XM-26-1.jpg

[Darkness]

"This isn't exactly a gun thread, and we do have many fine threads on Guns. Please use them for the Gun Talk, thank you."

[mattifikation]

That Kriss is ridiculous. The mechanics probably do absolutely nothing except provide a few possible points of failure, and the real reason the recoil is reduced is probably because of all that extra weight. It also serves no purpose, in the era of PDW's with armor piercing ammunition and submachinegun sized assault rifles.

[unnamedbaby77]

as was just pointed out this isnt a gun thread. that being said I will not get into the five seven/krinkov debate .

I will however say that when choosing ANY equipment I look at what the different spec ops units around the world use. ... those fellas seem to know their stuff

[kiltedninja]

as was just pointed out this isnt a gun thread. that being said I will not get into the five seven/krinkov debate .

I will however say that when choosing ANY equipment I look at what the different spec ops units around the world use. ... those fellas seem to know their stuff

They use what they're issued like the rest of the military units. Not to mention that a lot of the stuff they do use isn't necessarily available to civilians.

I'd look at the weapons themselves. What are their pros and cons, weight, ergonomics, ease of maintenance, reliability, durability, effectiveness and efficiency, and of course there's always the badass factor.

[unnamedbaby77]

They use what they're issued like the rest of the military units. Not to mention that a lot of the stuff they do use isn't necessarily available to civilians.

trust in me or research if you have to, deployed special forces units do whatever they please with whichever gear they wish in the field.

I'd look at the weapons themselves. What are their pros and cons, weight, ergonomics, ease of maintenance, reliability, durability, effectiveness and efficiency, and of course there's always the badass factor.


which is exactly why I watch spec ops because that is their main agenda when choosing weapons


hence the H&K MK 23 and USP
http://www.remtek.com/arms/hk/civ/mark23/mark23.htm'


EDIT: SORRY SORRY SORRY I promise no more gun stuff!:x

[unnamedbaby77]

Hey, I think you got something stuck to your nose there. :-p


is it poo? damn!

and I do agree if i am close enough to have to use my sidearm I have messed up somehow .

I like the assault rifle range for the reason that you can still get close enough to use explosives in a decent amount of time and you aren't waiting 4 seconds from the time you fire to the time the bullet impacts .


P.S. hows this for a CQB weapon: this guy tied to a stick!

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/11/62%20Sword%20Piercings.jpg

[Undead Jackal]

Shovel because if you read wwz
In the Kyoto there is a blind man that kills ons of zeds witha spade