Best close combat weapon

[brainbuster]

Glocks do indeed rule.
I used to be a 1911 guy, I bought my first Glock just to shut a friend up.
I liked it so much I now have 5 of them.

Currently I am toying with the idea of a supressor.
I can't decide whether I want a 22 supressor for fun or 9mm supressor for even more fun.

A supressed 22 would be great for zombie supression but the 9mm brings centerfire reliability and more "punch with it".
On the other hand if it was a 45 supressor I wouldn't have to worry about subsonic ammunition.
Decisions Decisions...
A supressor eliminates the flash but not the sound, it is still as loud as before but the sound is desquised because the escaping gasses have some time to cool and expand before being released.suppresors also slow the velocity of the bullet considerably.

[brainbuster]

if you want a silent ranged kill go with a crossbow

[Onslaught]

i dare you to find me a lead pipe.

The pipes many of you are thinking of are black iron.

[Bob]

A supressor eliminates the flash but not the sound, it is still as loud as before but the sound is desquised because the escaping gasses have some time to cool and expand before being released.suppresors also slow the velocity of the bullet considerably.

BrainBluster

I have a bit of trouble understanding some of your posts due to the misspellings.
I am not trying to make a big deal out of this as English may not be your native language.
Are you perhaps Canadian? :lol:
We would all appreciate it if you would please take a minute or so and proof your posts.




Let me clear some things up for you.
A flash suppressor, also known as a flash hider, directs the hot gases as they leave the barrel.
Redirecting the gases reduces the muzzle flash preventing the shooter from being blinded by the flash at night.
This is particularly important with rapid fire weapons.
The flash can still be seen downrange by the intended target.

Here is a Wiki article that you may find informative.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_suppressor




The other type of suppressor, called a sound suppressor, or silencer is a device whose purpose is to reduce the noise and flash.
They are cylindrical tubes with internal baffles to reduce the sound by slowing the escaping gas.
The flash is also reduced to a minimal amount by this process.

Here is a Wiki on them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suppressor




A bullet continues to accelerate as long as it has high pressure gas pushing it fast enough to overcome the drag in a barrel.
Once it leaves the barrel it immediately begins decelerating.
I can see that a suppressor could effect velocity if it was integrated as part of the barrel.
In other words the actual barrel of the firearm has holes in it.
These holes would bleed the gases into the baffles reducing the pressure behind the bullet before it leaves the barrel.
Also with a suppressor muzzle velocity is measured several inches from the actual muzzle of the barrel.
The difference in velocity would be minimal but would exist.
Most commonly the reason bullets from a "sonic" suppressor are slower is they are loaded to be subsonic.
In other words the "slug" does not break the sound barrier.

Here is an article for your edification.
http://www.thegunzone.com/buzzwords.html




Feel free to disagree with me, I enjoy discussion.
I am not always right but I am in the upper ninetieth percentile.

[homelitexl]

still like the concrete chainsaw.

[Bob]

HomeliteXL

You mean like this?

http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/7087/concreterolloverwhtar9.png

[MFISH618]

Double jack sledge. One blow and it's done.
You can choke up on the handle for close quarter carnage.
Personaly I don't want pus bags closer than an arms length.

[Bob]

Personally I don't want them any closer than the absolutely have to be.
I am certain I can take them down at 30 feet perhaps further but why take a chance and waste ammo. Don't fire till you see the whites of OH WAIT what if their eyes are not white?

[MFISH618]

Personally I don't want them any closer than the absolutely have to be.
I am certain I can take them down at 30 feet perhaps further but why take a chance and waste ammo. Don't fire till you see the whites of OH WAIT what if their eyes are not white?

I read the question as ''close combat weapon''.

[Bob]

I guess it depends on the definition of close combat.

I thought of it as engaging an enemy with personal weapons (pistol) at very short range, with the potential of but not limited to the point of hand-to-hand combat.

I am not a broadsword and axe kind of guy.
I am more like Indiana Jones, pull out a pistol and gun down the Sword Master. (silly boy brought a knife to a gun fight)

[MFISH618]

I guess it depends on the definition of close combat.

I thought of it as engaging an enemy with personal weapons (pistol) at very short range, with the potential of but not limited to the point of hand-to-hand combat.

I am not a broadsword and axe kind of guy.
I am more like Indiana Jones, pull out a pistol and gun down the Sword Master. (silly boy brought a knife to a gun fight)
Fair enough. I'd prefer a pistol myself. But a broad axe doesn't run out of ammo. I might run out of gas swinging it though.

[Bob]

10-4 on the Axe and since the survey refers to cutting and impact weapons you are actually more correct than I.
I was kind of distracted when I was posting before, I have a terminal server that has a mind of it's own.

To add a bit of on topic.
I suppose I would be an axe man.
I have a Cold Steel Bad Axe in the trunk of my car.

[VideoJunkie]

An axe? Not for me. I don't want anything that's gonna get stuck in zed #1, so that zed #2 get's a free meal. I'd prolly go with a bat. Not so much to kill zeds, but to knock them out of the way long enough for me to haul ass! I suppose if it's just one or two of them I'd pause long enough to split a skull, but otherwise I'm moving on!

[mattifikation]

I'm still game for that polypropylene bat made by Cold Steel...

[homelitexl]

yeah but i'm more of a scottish claymore dude. you got a ten foot blade that has power plus it sharp.

[Dave Of The Dead]

yeah but i'm more of a scottish claymore dude. you got a ten foot blade that has power plus it sharp.

choosing a close combat weapon like that is like choosing a DEagle for your side arm. Its too clumsy and slow.

[VideoJunkie]

choosing a close combat weapon like that is like choosing a DEagle for your side arm. Its too clumsy and slow.

Nice analogy! It would also seem a little pointless in a hallway or a small alleyway. Getting your sword stuck in the wall has gotta just SUCK! I'm sure the zombies will be nice enough to wait while you get it unstuck, before trying to eat you. That's just good sportsmanship!:lol:

[craniumcrusher]

:evil:SPIKED ARMOR:evil:

[homelitexl]

thats why you carry a sawn off.

[EvilWeasel35]

I wouldn't go with a chainsaw. It's useless once the petrol runs out. It'd have to be a sword as primary weapon, a machete secondary and a couple of knives and crowbars as back-ups. I'd love something like a sawn-off as back-up but in the UK we don't have the 2nd amendment so it's virtually impossible to get hold of any guns unless you want to start mixing with gangsta's, which I'm not prepared to do unless I have it on good authority that the end is nigh!!

[Bob]

EvilWeasel35

Do kids really wear stab proof vests to school?
Are there really no guns in civilian hands?

Y'all would be at a serious handicap being limited to blades and bludgeons.

[homelitexl]

evilweasel what the hell is petrol?
okay yes even at school my chainsaw is in my trunk. the ol scout has a sawn off behind the seat. and guess what i'm sure niether is leagl.

[Bob]

Petrol = Benzin

[homelitexl]

what the hell is benzin speak AMERICAN i can't speak proper english don't under stand please dumb it down.
and at the least in the uk don't yall have hardware stores.

[Bob]

American?
My family goes back to colonial times, we have fought in every war from the Revolutionary war to the Sand Box. Damn we really can't get along with anyone can we.

Petrol = Gasoline
Benzin = Gasoline

[zmbvan]

what the hell is benzin speak AMERICAN i can't speak proper english don't under stand please dumb it down.
and at the least in the uk don't yall have hardware stores.
:lol::lol::lol:

American?
My family goes back to colonial times, we have fought in every war from the Revolutionary war to the Sand Box. Damn we really can't get along with anyone can we.

Petrol = Gasoline
Benzin = Gasoline

:lol::lol:

On topic: The chain saw is too unrealistic in a world filled with reanimated corpses shambling around

[EvilWeasel35]

EvilWeasel35

Do kids really wear stab proof vests to school?
Are there really no guns in civilian hands?

Y'all would be at a serious handicap being limited to blades and bludgeons.

Hi Bob,

I don't know of kids wearing stabvests over here, but maybe they should as we seem to get at least two kids a week murdered by knives by other kids, which is real sad. The only people over here with guns either have them illegally or are members of shooting clubs and have licences, but there aren't many guns clubs. It's not very popular over here. I had to go to Latvia in Eastern Europe to fire an AK47. It was awesome!

Homelitexl - Petrol is gas. Sorry, I forget the US have different terms for things. Will bear it in mind for the future to save confusion!

[VideoJunkie]

American?
My family goes back to colonial times, we have fought in every war from the Revolutionary war to the Sand Box. Damn we really can't get along with anyone can we.

Nice to see some things never change...:lol:

[VideoJunkie]

Hi Bob,

I had to go to Latvia in Eastern Europe to fire an AK47. It was awesome!

Homelitexl - Petrol is gas. Sorry, I forget the US have different terms for things. Will bear it in mind for the future to save confusion!

First, I'm so jealous of the AK! Haven't had the pleasure. As far as the euro terminology, don't sweat it! Most of us can handle it, and for anything out of our personal lexicons, the internet can translate for us!


I love your sig quote! I don't recognize it. Where'd you find it?

[EvilWeasel35]

First, I'm so jealous of the AK! Haven't had the pleasure. As far as the euro terminology, don't sweat it! Most of us can handle it, and for anything out of our personal lexicons, the internet can translate for us!

I love your sig quote! I don't recognize it. Where'd you find it?

Thanks VideoJunkie,
The AK is such an easy gun to handle, hardly any recoil, never jams and I was a crack shot with it, so it proves that even an amateur like me can hit a target! Actually, now I think of it, it's going to be on my list of most wanted weapons during a Z-attack! :evil:

The sig quote is from a little book I found in called Zombie Haiku by Ryan Mecum. The publishers is at www.fwbookstore.com in Ohio so you should be able to get a copy. $9.99.
Another quote below:
"She is still begging, but no longer for my help. She wants her nose back." :lol:

[Hitman]

A supressor eliminates the flash but not the sound, it is still as loud as before but the sound is desquised because the escaping gasses have some time to cool and expand before being released.suppresors also slow the velocity of the bullet considerably.

no, just no.

a typical suppresor doesn't slow the bullet (old style wipe might ,but no one uses them now) . infact most make the bullet faster due the "freebore boost" when the pressure behind the bullet is still pushing on it and is contained by the bore of the silincer yet noting is holding the bullet. ported barrels slow the bullets but thats the barrel and not really part of the suppresor its self.

also silencers (or suppresors ,mufflers , moderators , etc.) do infact quiet the report of the gun. most of if not all of the muzzle flash is contained and in doing so most of the sound exiting the muzzle if trapped.

I'll tell you what , if you want to find out how well they work shoot something like this indoors both with then without the can.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/ssgladiusm16.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

Didn't we already have a page long discussion of the science of silencers a while back? And isn't this thread about melee weapons anyway?

On the suggestions of chainsaws, that would probably be as bad as a claymore with a blowhorn strapped to it. Just a big heavy tool that shouts "Come Eat Me!"

[Darkness]

"Dave Of The Dead is right. This thread is about close quarter weapons. Not rifles and/or ranged weapons that can do the job from a distance."

[homelitexl]

yeah well i have rigged to homelite xl to be wielded one handed and both are built to my standards from the ground up. i love melee.

[DaXs]

Meteor hammer hands down. Ranged bludgeon with varible weight depending on personal strength with minimal splatter and high durability.

Shaolin meteor hammer Demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZMM0ESgXrA&feature=related

Way you may wield a meteor hammer if totally surrounded by zombines 360 degrees
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsxGyYlFg1E&feature=related

Happy hunting!

[Bob]

This thread is always good for a laugh.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't think the shaolin designed their weapons to fight against zombies.... Don't even bring up a shaolin spade either. In actuality, those things were like 7 feet long and weighed too much for a quick thrusting action.

[Gummerfan]

I suppose I'd have to vote for "Other" (but I don't vote) since I don't see "Angus Trim Backsword" listed.

[homelitexl]

just use a jack hammer.

[Lurker13]

just use a jack hammer.

I guess that would work if you could get the zombee to hold still long enuff

[homelitexl]

just use it man if you now how.

[Bob]

http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/4343/dingo100poundjackhammerki3.jpg

[KrimsonKing]

My close combat weapon of choice would be a high round capacity nine millimeter equipped with a suppressor, laser sighting and shooting light. I am tempted by the forty five caliber but in a world where only head shots count you don’t need tissue damage and stopping power. What you do need is accuracy target acquisition and a short reload time, also in a world where enemy territory is everywhere stealth is your best friend. The 9 mm round is also lighter than the 45 cal so you can carry more rounds for the same weight.

If I must choose a melee weapon it would be a titanium crowbar. Not only is it perfectly suited for smashing skulls, it can be used for opening doors, prying boards, shifting loads, ECT… I am tempted by the hand crafted Katana but it is only good for one thing.

[Bob]

You know those dern titanium crow bars have gotten hard to find.

[mattifikation]

beauties of the internet man.

If it's not in the store
The interwebz got morreeee..

Sh!t, i work early. :-/

[Devilspaintbrush]

machete simply because you can club with the spine of the blade and it serves a good function of making shelter

BUT

come on

no crowbar? :evil:

[DarthJoe8]

I voted for "other" a long time ago....crowbar...:guns: It's the "swiss army" ZPAW weapon...:drinking:

[homelitexl]

uh no that would be a chainsaw

[elzombito5678]

It's most likely been said a million times, but crowbar FTW. Along with practical uses, it has high power+high durability. Plus you have two ways to kill zeds (brain crush or socket stab). If no crowbar, then a tomahawk for sure, although i'd consider that more of an edged weapon than a blunt one...but who needs to be technical lol?

[mattifikation]

Crowbars are awkward handling. They don't have the right balance for high-speed repeated swinging.

[Captain Necro]

What! Are you guys serious with the crowbar???

SPEAR

It's got the reach and its light and easy to use, if your in halfway good shape and you don't panic you could fight for a few hours with this thing. Aim for the eyes.

I found one on amazon cheap

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000C87VH?smid=A2P4N2ZVZAY9YJ&tag=nextag-sg-delta-20&linkCode=asn

[KrimsonKing]

Crowbars are awkward handling. They don't have the right balance for high-speed repeated swinging.
I’m going to disagree with you on that.

It may be a matter of personal opinion but I find that the crowbar (especially the titanium kind) handle very well. Not only dose the hook on the end add a little more weight to the swing guaranteeing a kill every hit. If you follow through the swing with a circular motion, like a Samurai, the added momentum will allow you to ready another swing faster than you could with a stick.

[KrimsonKing]

What! Are you guys serious with the crowbar???

SPEAR

It's got the reach and its light and easy to use, if your in halfway good shape and you don't panic you could fight for a few hours with this thing. Aim for the eyes.

I found one on amazon cheap

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000C87VH?smid=A2P4N2ZVZAY9YJ&tag=nextag-sg-delta-20&linkCode=asn
I have to disagree with you as well.

There are several downsides to the spear. First of all it would be almost impossible to use long weapons like that effectively indoors.
Secondly having to aim for the eyes would be very hard to do on a moving target with the tip of your weapon at such a distance, you would also have to thrust upward into the brain witch may prove to be impractical with a weapon of that length.
Thirdly how would you carry a weapon such as that while keeping your hands free.

[Darkness]

"And Four: Are you going to brave that group of attacking zombies, to retreive your spear, each time you throw it? And even if you don't use it as a spear is designed to be used, what if it gets stuck?"

[Captain Necro]

Wasn't planning on throwing it at all, I have never thrown a spear before and wouldn't try it for my first time in a ZACH ATTACK.

And I don't think it will ever get stuck I'm not a master of human anatomy but I do know the eye and brain tissue is some of the softest most pliable tissue in the human body.

And what is "stuck" anyway it's not like were planning on stabbing these weapons between cinder blocks , is stuck really an issue here? Unless you have like an extremely under developed upper body I wouldn't worry about "stuck"

Yes indoors it would be horrible for turning corners and entering door ways, I agree with you guys a 100% on this. You should not depend on this thing indoors.

With the accuracy issue, again i think you guys might be over estimating the difficulty. Try this take a rake or a shovel and go out to your backyard aim for a spot on your back wall and lunge towards it. You will probably hit it on your first try. I've tried it and when you don't hit the target you get within an inch of it. Even with a moving zombie shouldn't be too bad, and after trying this a couple of times I'm sure you would get a lot better.

The eye sockets are sunken wells already on a normal human body but a dead one they would be even more sunken. If you get anywhere near one the tip of your spear will pretty much guide it self into the actual socket of the eye. And even if you miss the general eye area and just hit the head, that would cause significant damage.

[homelitexl]

dude shut up and buy a damn chainsaw.

[Dave Of The Dead]

A spear aimed anywhere else other than the eye will be useless. Thats why this weapon is such a bad idea. Yeah, its long, giving you reach for your attacks. This weapon wasn't designed to be aimed at the head, so I think doing so would be impracticable. the best way to choose a weapon is to look at what if was designed to do in the first place. The best kind of weapons, I think, are weapons designed for chopping. Axes and some swords are probably the best thing. Remember, the more reach you have with a weapon, the more likely it is for your aim to be off.

[Bob]

The longer it is the more recovery time and possibly weight you would have to deal with.

Spears are very effective weapons they just aren't designed for de-zombification.

[mattifikation]

I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the impression that it's a straight shot from the eye to the brain.

There IS a layer of bone in between.

[ERiKDude]

If you're outside, in an open environment, you shouldn't really need to get that close to a zombie anyway. It's a survival situation, you will be avoiding them, you won't be mowing through large groups with a sword, or a chainsaw, or a spear.....or any hand weapon for that matter.

Now, being inside a building is a whole other story, you'll probably need a close combat weapon. That said, anything too long won't be very useful because you might not have enough room to swing and/or stab with it. You'll also want something that can do more than just kill zeds.

Personally I'd want the Cold Steel Special Forces shovel (http://www.coldsteel.com/spshovel.html). It has a sharp blade, and it's not too long, so you can even swing it in a small hallway.

Just watch the video if you have any doubts about the usefulness of it.


*Note: I do not work for them....no matter how much it sounds like i do.*

[fraust]

Lightsaber.

/thread

[Darkness]

I'm sorry, but you seem to be under the impression that it's a straight shot from the eye to the brain.

There IS a layer of bone in between.

"No offense meant, but, that's what I was thinking too" :think:

[Bob]

http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/3580/98519144vc2.gif (http://imageshack.us)

[Captain Necro]

Yeah its the Sphenoid bone, from what i hear there pretty weak. You guys really pointed out a lot of things i didn't think about though thanks.

And I do really like that special forces shovel, the video didn't convince me until that guy chucked it into the log.

[mattifikation]

Cold Steel always has videos of some fat guy doing unspeakable things to their products, and the products somehow surviving.

I'm usually impressed by what their knives can do to huge chunks of meat.

Their prices though are EEEEK. I mean... I know you get what you pay for, but some of their things are a lot to pay for.

In addition to their plastic bat, I want their Natchez Bowie.

[Scottishzombie]

I think I would have an ice axe in each hand(man you could do some damage with that shit) they are light they can smash into rock so I'm sure a zombies skull wouldn't pose a problem, they also strap round your wrist like a wii controler so you wouldn't drop it.

Either that or a baseball bat with nails through the top of it like some sort of medieval shit.

[Gummerfan]

I've got a CS Assagai (sp?) spear with the short shaft.(shown here with my Himalayan Imports 25" Kobra) That huge spearhead cuts as well as most swords and an upward thrust under the chin would be no problem. It's modeled after the Zulu spears and is used more as a cutting/slashing weapon. It could sever a limb with no problem. It's light and easy to use.
Not ideal, of course, but it would serve the purpose.
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/kukhri.jpg
Speaking of Cold Steel, anybody seen their two-handed machete? I always thought that would be a nice anti-zed piece.

[Bob]

I handled one at a gun show.
Pretty heavy duty piece of gear.

I have considered one of the spears several times just never pulled the trigger.
Dang shame their swords are so expensive.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Not to turn this thread into a Cold Steel praise-off, but most of the cheaper things they sell are worth what you pay. Find the destruction tests for cold steel products. They took of the cheap $20 machetes and wailed on it for an hour by bending it, chopping a steel pipe with it, and some other unspeakable stuff that you would think would destroy it. After bending it back and fourth in a vice quite a few times, they finally got the metal to rip.

Anyway, I love blades and am a self-declared guru at sharpening, maintaining, and all around using short to medium blades. My tactic would not to sever the head, but land a blow on the back of the neck. You immobilize them and you don't get that jugular blood spray even if they're fresh.

[homelitexl]

unless they make chainsaws im not interested.

[Hitman]

I've got a CS Assagai (sp?) spear with the short shaft.(shown here with my Himalayan Imports 25" Kobra) That huge spearhead cuts as well as most swords and an upward thrust under the chin would be no problem. It's modeled after the Zulu spears and is used more as a cutting/slashing weapon. It could sever a limb with no problem. It's light and easy to use.
Not ideal, of course, but it would serve the purpose.
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/kukhri.jpg
Speaking of Cold Steel, anybody seen their two-handed machete? I always thought that would be a nice anti-zed piece.

I really want something like that for my next boar hunt.

[homelitexl]

still would use my chainsaw first.

[Dave Of The Dead]

still would use my chainsaw first.

its amazing how many of your threads are pointless. We know you like chainsaws.

[homelitexl]

just not a fan of the wierd pointy midget spear okay.

[kiltedninja]

I think that an Assegai, a Zulu short spear and a tobogan(tie some paracord to the handles as a sling, and you've got a shield.) Would be ridiculously effective.
Or a nice sturdy machete, Kukri, or any melee weapon that can be used one handed.

[sorrow]

chainsaw its good but i started to think lol n a machete its betetr cuz it cuts like da chainsaw but u dont hav to worry bout gasoline and a katana will be nice too :)

[Fawkes]

That "midget" spear and a dustbin lid as a shield would be pretty cool haha

But not having any sort of skill in fighting like that id go with a baseball bat as it would work well for a large group or single deadheads

[tytanos14]

A Axe would be perfect one Swing would take a head off but if there were many it would be a slow weapon and WOuld most likely be bit Soooo Close combat with a crowd of zombies cant end welll But 1 on 1 combat with a Axe Youll definetly win

[Ironzey]

Aren't ice axes designed to not come out easy? It might be trouble if you can't get it out of a skull because of the teeth or ridges or whatever you call them are stuck. They do make an impressive looking weapon though.

If I had my choice Id have to pick something that:
wouldn't get stuck , I'd avoid anything with spikes or ridges
wasn't too heavy, Just in case I need to use it all day long
was durable
doesn't need to be reloaded, runing out of gas mid swing would blow.
was quiet, no sense in letting the neighborhood know what you are up to.

Given the list I'd go with the ax.

I do think the spear thing is pretty cool.

[Ironzey]

A Axe would be perfect one Swing would take a head off but if there were many it would be a slow weapon and WOuld most likely be bit Soooo Close combat with a crowd of zombies cant end welll But 1 on 1 combat with a Axe Youll definetly win

I saw a show about medieval combat in part of it there talked about the two-handed swords I guess back then they used all parts of the sword I guess with some practice you could adapt some of those moves to an ax.

[snakebite]

Without question, I would roll with the hammer. Not a claw hammer, per se--but a good, solid 1-2 lb sledge. Something I can use with one hand that will inflict massive amounts of crushing trauma with little real effort--gravity coupled with its weight will do the work. All that weight behind a 1.5" steel striking surface? Yeah, Roger. That'll pop some skull and splatter some brains!
I think a bat would be cool but needs a lot more room--a hindrance in a hallway or stairway and also more likely to break. You grab one of the new synthetic handled jobs for your mini sledge and that thing will be crushing heads forever. As for the chain saw? I know it would tear through flesh and bone, but what about gas? That sucks. A hatchet would be nice, but I would be worried about it getting stuck...
Regardless, I would heading for Home Depot with my guns!

[homelitexl]

well learn to stockpile it and siphon fro m cars and the saw.

[Krazymouse]

if it hasn't been mentioned, why not crowbars? They are useful to stab into a zombie brain. And you can pry open a door. Get into a building that has been barricaded. And of course. You can throw it at someone and it would leave a mark.

[Bob]

Crowbars have been discussed to death...

[Krazymouse]

Crowbars have been discussed to death...

Sorry, too lazy to read the 23 pages of this forum:lol:

[ERiKDude]

why use a crowbar when you can use a chainsaw?......


....just thought i'd say it first

[mrlaughingman]

my computer monitor is a pretty good close combat weapon i think see there head go wen i hit em with that ha

[mattifikation]

why use a crowbar when you can use a chainsaw?......


....just thought i'd say it first

Haha. Homelite's been saying it repeatedly for the last several weeks :-p

[Bob]

Chainsaws have been discussed to death.

Damn it People!

Can we talk about something other than chainsaws and crowbars?

[ERiKDude]

I was just beating him to the punch is all


Personally, i don't see anything wrong with an axe other than getting it stuck in a zombie's head. Hell, i keep one nearby just in case of a zombie/emergency wood chopping situation.



ps. just for the record, i'm a little anti-chainsaw.

[Creeping Death]

Chainsaws have been discussed to death.

Damn it People!

Can we talk about something other than chainsaws and crowbars?

How about a baseball bat, machete, or a screwdriver(dawn of the dead '78.)

[homelitexl]

why use a crowbar when you can use a chainsaw?......


....just thought i'd say it first

I was just beating him to the punch is all


Personally, i don't see anything wrong with an axe other than getting it stuck in a zombie's head. Hell, i keep one nearby just in case of a zombie/emergency wood chopping situation.



ps. just for the record, i'm a little anti-crowbar.chainsaws rule!!!!

hey i give you that one you did beat me there.

[ERiKDude]

Hahahahaha, that was pretty funny.

[beyerwrestler]

Found my copy of World War Z under my tool bench and remembered the perfect close quarters weapon!

the Lobo the soldiers use in the book would be awesome :lol:

But realistically i would say i would use a baseball bat.:drool:

[Gummerfan]

Found my copy of World War Z under my tool bench and remembered the perfect close quarters weapon!

the Lobo the soldiers use in the book would be awesome :lol:

But realistically i would say i would use a baseball bat.:drool:
I set about building a "Lobo" once, then I realized it was just a combination of a lousy shovel and a lousy axe. :)

[Bob]

A sharpened screwdriver or an icepick would be better for a Zed head than the average knife.

[Onslaught]

falcata
falcata

word limit

[kiltedninja]

How bout a trench knife mates? Knuckledusters+Combat knife.
Good, sturdy(If you can find a decent one), brutal, in the right hands, a pair of knuckledusters can crack a skull, couple that with the sheer puncturing capability of a good combat knife, you've got a good weapon.

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

You want something to cut throughth head or neck so you know wont get back up

[kiltedninja]

The trench knife was used to stab through the steel helmets and skulls of the enemy soldiers. I'd suggest that you do some thinking before you talk about stuff. Have you ever, personally cut an item that was the size and density of a head with a Katana? If you have, then you have some room to talk.
Now, back to the topic that started this thread...
Out of the things that are all there, I've used all but a few.
IN MY OPINION, Here's the pros and cons of all of them.

Baseball Bat: If you have a wooden model, you're in good shape, they're strong, rugged, and have enough weight to do some serious damage.
Problem is, that they're not an ideal weapon for any sort of extreme CQC, in a hallway or narrow choke point, not the best.

Axe: An axe is a good weapon, the handle could be used to push zombies away, and then you could bring the blade down on the head. Pulling it out would be the problem. Hatchets have many of the similar problems.

Shovel: Could be used as a reliable weapon, used as a spear or a long axe. CQC comes in to play here, not ideal for it. Also, it's a tool for digging.

Pickaxe: Heavy, but sturdy, in a pinch, if you have one around, it may be useful for a while, an ice axe would be better.

Chainsaw: If you have fuel, aren't worried about noise, and have the strength necessary to keep it on path, it could work, I've never used one, so I'm not familiar with it.

Hammer: Present in just about every house, small ones are light, sturdy, and can smash through a skull with a good blow. Sledgehammers have the same advantages as axes, but don't have the problem of getting stuck.

Machete: My favorite, if you have one that is made of decent steel, the military ones are likely your best bet. The disadvantage being, if you were to get it stuck in a skull or spinal column.

Cordless Drill: That might work, if you can get constant battery power.

Stick: A wrought iron or steel shaft would be good, a wooden stick wouldn't do the necessary damage.

There's my opinions, as unbiased as I can be.

[mrlaughingman]

z day rolls around im weilding a black cloak and a scythe

[kiltedninja]

I want a trench knife, a machete, a trench coat, and a decent rifle.

[bootsy]

personally i would prefer a longsword ad either a short sword in my other hand or a shield bcoz i have the strength and skill to use them and they are designed to kill people in Armour so they will have no problem cutting a zombies head of

[kiltedninja]

That is definitely true.
I just thought of something a minute ago. If one were to take an M16, M4, or HK416, and an OKC3S, the bayonet knife used by Marines, it would be incredibly useful. No replacement for a machete, hatchet, or other CQC weapon, but it would help add to your arsenal.

[Dave Of The Dead]

First of all, the trench knife was not make to stab through helmets. We've been through this before. It was made to slit throats. Now onto the shortsword and longsword. The only way they could get through armor was by thrusting, not by slashing, which is what you'll need in zombie combat. For a blade, the best design would be a curved chopping blade and as for bludgeoning, what you would want it something with a rounded surface so all of the force is directed to one small point. Its basic physics that you need to take into account when selecting a close combat weapon.

Were you serious about the scythe? Because I can give you 101 reasons not to use one against the living dead.

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

I am pretty sure he was thinking trench spike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trench_spike and the best bludgeodon is crowbar, it has the killing power of a bat but not only does it have practical uses, but it also is more durable, wood bat will shatter before you know it. The aluminum bat will bend and snap. The best blade, either Katana or Shaolin spade. Katanas have the bent tip that allows maximum velocity and not to mention it is very light so you will be able to swing often and swing fast. The spade is a perfect for decapitating and could have other practical means too. The choice between them is whether you want to go the safe route (spade) with the incredible reach, or the ability to keep on swinging. If these are fast or infected zombies i would use the katana, for slow undead the other. (first post howd i do?)

[Ball Tripper]

I'll agree with George above me and say crowbar.

Very effective for smashing/piercing a skull.
Useful for stuff other than combat.
Incredibly durable, could kill thousands and never break.

I have a very large collection of swords and knives and melee weapons of all sizes and shapes. Some are made for show, some are made for actual use, some are antiques. With this arsenal at my disposal, I'm going out to the garage and getting a crowbar when the dead start to walk.

[Bob]

Fine you use your crowbar, I will use my 45.

[Ball Tripper]

Based on the poll choices, I had assumed 'close combat' meant melee.

Good luck pistol whipping the zombies to death. :P

[EvilWeasel35]

Based on the poll choices, I had assumed 'close combat' meant melee.

Good luck pistol whipping the zombies to death. :P

Lol BT! :lol:

I'd like one of these:
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yZ8ZuvdmdqxQ7M:http://bp1.blogger.com/_8IcO1ehweFs/Rkpi58Z-wrI/AAAAAAAAAxA/qx-irAxIm6w/s320/m-32%2Bmultiple%2Bshot%2Bgrenade%2Blauncher.jpg
or perhaps a chu ko nu crossbow (Chinese repeating crossbow) :evil: http://www.arco-iris.com/George/images/chu-ko-nu_220.jpg

I love crossbows, or any bows in fact. Ok, so I know I'd run out of bolts, but I could run out of bullets too! Plus, they are much quieter than a gun so wouldn't attract more zeds.

[Darkness]

Lol BT! :lol:

I'd like one of these:
http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:yZ8ZuvdmdqxQ7M:http://bp1.blogger.com/_8IcO1ehweFs/Rkpi58Z-wrI/AAAAAAAAAxA/qx-irAxIm6w/s320/m-32%2Bmultiple%2Bshot%2Bgrenade%2Blauncher.jpg
or perhaps a chu ko nu crossbow (Chinese repeating crossbow) :evil: http://www.arco-iris.com/George/images/chu-ko-nu_220.jpg

I love crossbows, or any bows in fact. Ok, so I know I'd run out of bolts, but I could run out of bullets too! Plus, they are much quieter than a gun so wouldn't attract more zeds.

"Doesn't that type of crossbow hold more than one bolt at a time? If so, how many can it hold at once?" :think:

"Not exactly a 'melee' weapon, though. But we DO have a good thread going on Archery and Zombies, if you care to check it out." :)

[EvilWeasel35]

"Doesn't that type of crossbow hold more than one bolt at a time? If so, how many can it hold at once?" :think:

"Not exactly a 'melee' weapon, though. But we DO have a good thread going on Archery and Zombies, if you care to check it out." :)

I think it can hold up to 10 bolts, which would make it quite affective.
I'll check out the other thread, Cheers!:)

[Darkness]

"Here's the US&D Index Thread, in case you get lost." :)

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15744

[EvilWeasel35]

"Here's the US&D Index Thread, in case you get lost." :)

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15744

Thankie, Mistress! :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have seen a video of a shaolin monk practicing with the spade and have to say that it is nothing more than clumsy. I wouldn't recommend it even if you found a real one.

[joerrrrrr]

its all about the crow bar ( if we're talking slow zombies) its bot a blunt and sharp end and it can be applied to multiple uses ie, breaking stuff prying things open, nails

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

A gun? Too loud, would attract many, many zombies, requires bullets so only good for a little while. While guns may be good for the first encounter, it wont do you much good afterwards.

[Dave Of The Dead]

A gun? Too loud, would attract many, many zombies, requires bullets so only good for a little while. While guns may be good for the first encounter, it wont do you much good afterwards.

Guns are fine as long as you keep on the move and spend what ammo you have wisely. I'll sure as hell by carrying mine with me. Face it, you're not going to hunt a rabbit with a crowbar and you're not going to defend yourself from other survivors with a crowbar. Guns should always be a first resort and melee a last resort if the situation can't be avoided in the first place.

[EvilWeasel35]

But if you are going to have a close melee weapon then the best thing would be something quiet like a knife or crossbow. I suppose it depends how close you are talking. If we are talking hand-to-hand than knifes/machetes are going to be best. Whatever you have you have to keep sharp otherwise thet would get stuck in a skull. Anything short-handled that you can get out of a z-skull quickly would be good in a melee, but I still think that having someone a short distance away to cover your back is the ultimate defense.

[Comander Shaw]

Dude gotta go with rule #4.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I know that one.

Another rule, one of anyone avoiding a larger force. Get the f**k outta there!

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

I would not use guns against zombies, the only gun i would bring is a shotgun for two reasons, one, people control. Not going to have to worry about bandits when they got a 12 gauge pointed at their face. The other hunting. Of course thinking about it now, thats just my existing situation. If u are in the middle of a populated city, then it makes sence to use guns. If you are close to a forest, then i see no reason for you to have to shoot any zombies.

[Ball Tripper]

Are you a ninja or something? Cause if not and there are more than like 3 or 4 zombies in close proximity of each other, they are gonna grab you before you can recover from swinging whatever melee weapon you have when you kill the first few.

Zombies are contagious remember? I feel like distance will always be best.

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

Ninja? no, although i do believe they have what it takes to survive. I am very close to a forest, the forest will not have many zombies if any in the beginning. Zombies do not trail off in to the wilderness right away, giving me a day or two head start. At that point when they do enter, they will be more dispersed and in littler numbers, much much easier to handle. If i shoot a gun out there, it will be heard and the few zombies that werent too hard to handle becomes a mob. Crossbow people have a good thing going, the silence it has is incredibly valuable. If i had the choice between an m16 or cross bow, both with plenty ammo, i'd choose the bow in a heartbeat. Guns is not what you need unless you somehow obtained a silencer...

[Samsonite]

have you considered attacks from the sky of zombies that jump out of trees? in that case you may need a spiky umbrella

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

My god, this may just be the most important discovery to save countless lives, if L4D is true, then spike umbrellas could be the best defense ever, ever

[Scud]

What....no crowbar??:drinking:

x2

id want something like a crowbar or shovel or entrenching tool that can be used for something besides bustin zeds in the head

[kiltedninja]

Crowbars are fun for breaking bricks with....

[OVERKILL]

I agree that the crowbar would probably be the best melee weapon for undead defense. An axe would be good too, I don't see how they'd stick in bone like they do wood, but I didn't choose it due to weight. I chose the stick, most likely in the form of a hickory hiking staff. I would not swing it or use it as a bludgeoning weapon but mainly as a way to shove zombies back or to the side so I could pass by and make my escape to my bug out shelter. It is also the preferred weapon for use on goats, and like Clint Eastwood said in Pale Rider "nuthin like a good piece of hickory"

[homelitexl]

i disagree a chainsaw can get through a boareded up door just as easy.

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

chainsaw would atract more zombies then a crow bar, too loud, would eventually run out of batteries. Crowbar =D!

[Samsonite]

chainsaw would atract more zombies then a crow bar, too loud, would eventually run out of batteries. Crowbar =D!

but what if the crowbar runs out of batteries?!?!?! 8-0

[CAVU45]

I think you're confusing the crowbar with your vibrator. :)

[detpat]

:clap::clap::clap::clap::evil::clap::clap::drool:

[JimiVengeance]

as far as im concerned shotgun...no questions asked!:drinking:

[Redfields]

I went Other due to the meaning "Best"

IMO taking into account the ease in getting this weapon and the usefulness of it.

I would Choose the....(drum roll) Boltcutters.

If you get one of the right size, it has good enough reach and, usefullness in the sense that what it can be used for too. Besides bashing skulls inwards (just like using a bat), it can cut locks, be put accross as a bolt for a door (more effective than bat due to material it is made out of)

It can be used to effectively cut thick objects besides padlocks. Overall, weighing both up, I would choose the boltcutters.

Btw, this is also taking into account of how easy it is to claim one. As easy as getting a baseball bat.

[Redfields]

as far as im concerned shotgun...no questions asked!:drinking:

Erm.... he said close combat, yes a shotgun is a close quarters weapon but, judging by the weapons he listen i think one that does not require bullets.

Even so, I would strongly suggest against the shotgun. Although the splatter unto you can be countered by shooting mid-range, unless you are trained into shooting an actual shotgun, it is a very cumbersome and dangerous weapon not to the zombie but yourself. Will you be able to find shells just lying around the city? Can you handle the kickback? You will not even be able to shout "Run!" when you fire your shotgun (when you open your mouth while firing a shotgun, you get a nice surprise, try it). Honestly, it is considerably a long weapon such as an assault rifle or a rifle, but with much less effectiveness IMO.

If you would think you can "combo kill/ kill more than one in a row/whatever you call it", think again, you will be having to shoot 90% of the time one shell per zombie. With that in mind, these are only my thoughts.

Happy hunting
-Redfields

[Darkness]

"You are absolutely correct, Redfields, this thread is for melee weapons, that do not require bullets."

"We have threads on Shotguns, Blades, Archery, and many other assorted weapons, versus Zombies. Wander around, I'm sure you can find them."

"Enjoy!' :)

[sk8rmichael]

i would have to say a base ball bat i dont see how people like crow bars i find them awkward to handle lol :x

[ZombieGore]

I would use my wicked awesome karate chop...thats whats up...

[sk8rmichael]

lol im not that cool... hahaha

[kiltedninja]

I'd go with my Baseball bat, it's stronger than my wooden katana, much more blunt force behind it. Good ol' Black Magic has seen me through plenty of fights.

[TeeK]

I'd definitely go with a machete or a katana, both are great.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'd definitely go with a machete or a katana, both are great.

We have discussed how difficult it is to use a katana. Don't plan on using one unless you really know who you're doing.

[homelitexl]

and a chainsaw is clearly better.

[sk8rmichael]

and a chainsaw is clearly better.

i agree hahaha :evil: chainsaws r fun

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

i'd like a crowbar plz

[bandits1]

i agree hahaha :evil: chainsaws r fun
Yeah, until infected blood, tissue, and bone fragments starts flying all over the place.

[manaketes]

What....no crowbar??:drinking:

seriously, why cant i go all Gordon Freeman on them?!

[teh1337pWnZoR]

well if one were to read the zombie handbook it clearly states that a crowbar it the best weapon of choice but i would go katana a fully sharpened katana could cut through a zombie in one slice, its light, durable, and effective

[Birdman44]

well if one were to read the zombie handbook it clearly states that a crowbar it the best weapon of choice but i would go katana a fully sharpened katana could cut through a zombie in one slice, its light, durable, and effective

But a crowbar wouldn't be much good for anything but opening a jammed door. At least a machete would kill a zombie with one blow to the back of the neck. And its light.

[J Dub]

i went with the axe, i'd prefer a double sided battle axe but that was not on the list.

baseball bats fail even on normal folks never mind the undead

[kiltedninja]

well if one were to read the zombie handbook it clearly states that a crowbar it the best weapon of choice but i would go katana a fully sharpened katana could cut through a zombie in one slice, its light, durable, and effective

If you're not a master, you're going to F--k the sword up on the first cut, or it'll hit bone and get stuck. I'm talking about a fully sharpened, handmade katana, they are a WARRIOR'S weapon, and unless you are one of these aforementined warriors, you will destroy the blade. Take this from a student of the sword, I wouldn't even use a katana.

[mattifikation]

Bats are fail? Hardly. They're perfect for pushing a shambling zombie off balance and running away.

If you've gotten down to melee combat then it isn't the time to be worried about killing Zack. It's time to get the hell out of there!

[J Dub]

Bats are fail? Hardly. They're perfect for pushing a shambling zombie off balance and running away.

If you've gotten down to melee combat then it isn't the time to be worried about killing Zack. It's time to get the hell out of there!

hell man, if you just want to throw them off balance just give'em a shove :lol:

[Dave Of The Dead]

I would carry a katana because I mastered the katana just this weekend. I rock with it now. I could take on hoards and hoards of zombies because I am a true samurai. They are sharp, light, and effective because I mastered the weapon. Did I mention that I was a true samurai.... :x

All those who want to carry a KATANA, READ ME!

the katana is either a warrior's weapon, or a wannabe's weapon. The wanna be will get killed fast and look like an idiot while doing so. Don't even think about using a katana unless you have years of experience. There is a reason why the samurai used to train their children to use them at a very young age. Katanas are :poo: if you don't know how to use them. Stick with a good machete and you'll have better luck.

[mattifikation]

hell man, if you just want to throw them off balance just give'em a shove :lol:

Then they can bite your arm. I'd prefer that they bite a bat. I'd actually prefer a collapsible stun baton, but those are a bit trickier to come by.

And yes, a stun baton would work on a zombie. They don't work just by hurting people, they work by using electricity to disrupt the nervous system. That's why you fall over instead of just screaming in pain.

Downside... batteries. I wonder how hard it would be to make a stun baton that can be charged by a hand crank or a shake mechanism.

[kiltedninja]

Batondefense.com is where I got my ASP.

They're pricey, but they're worth it.

I have an idea for all you mall ninjas that want to use a katana. Find someone who can custom make you a bokken made of solid 7050 aluminum. Then you have light, durable, and effective, because I can almost guarantee that none of you mall ninjas even know the proper method to hold a katana. :lol:

Samurai were trained from the age of 7 to fight, from 12 with the katana, they trained from sunrise to sunset, and often later with the sword, spear, longbow, bo, jo, and in jujutsu, A Samurai would make you look like a damned fool without even looking at you. True Jujutsu teaches you to fight without even seeing your enemy. The art of the Samurai is something that few ever master, only legends like Musashi have ever truly mastered the arts.

Go with a machete if you want durable, light, and sharp, and you're not a master of the sword.

[Bob]

Just get a light saber and be done with it...

[J Dub]

Just get a light saber and be done with it...
:lol::lol::lol:
the force is strong with this one

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/Obi_Wan_-_Grandma.gif

[Darkness]

:naughty:"Ah, Ah, Ah." :naughty:

"The Fantasy Weapons are in another thread." :)

:lol:

[J Dub]

:naughty:"Ah, Ah, Ah." :naughty:

"The Fantasy Weapons are in another thread." :)

:lol:

i was coerced :lol:

[Bob]

Don't blame J' Dub I used the force on him.

Besides I was being sarcastic.

[homelitexl]

ill stick with the homelite 46cc pro chainsaw

[Bob]

Hey Homelite
Have you ever opened a beer with a chainsaw?

[J Dub]

Don't blame J' Dub I used the force on him.

Besides I was being sarcastic.

i totally got that, but enough with the force :lol:. Darkness is going to get medieval on my butt :drool:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/walk_on_the_dark_side.gif

[Zombie opressor]

although it may not be the best in a big open room i think a machete is light enough to carry anywhere and it is a great weapon so im weith mb on this one

[homelitexl]

Hey Homelite
Have you ever opened a beer with a chainsaw?

1 why waste a good beer
2 thats bad on the chain
3 good news i got my chainsaw fixed.

[Bob]

I would prefer an Axe handle over a sledgehammer handle for head shots on a zed due to it's wedge shape.

For fashioning a mace I would prefer a sledgehammer handle because it is straight.


Homelite
Have you ever opened a beer with your .308?

[homelitexl]

thats called alchohol abuse

[kiltedninja]

Try it with a .22, or just do it with a soda can, so you're not abusing the alcohol.

[w1ll0]

HMMMMM....

Mentos + Coke would be my handheld weapon ;)

[kiltedninja]

I'd use something like a spear, a shorter one, like 5 or 6 ft, but a thick one too. Also a shorter blade too, like a Kopis or Kukri, and a shield.

[Onslaught]

I'd use something like a spear, a shorter one, like 5 or 6 ft, but a thick one too. Also a shorter blade too, like a Kopis or Kukri, and a shield.

I am a big fan of all of those but I am curious about your overall plan.

what else do you figure you'd carry with you?

are you talking about every day carry, or specifically suiting up for melee combat?

I ask because it seems to be a bit much for everyday travel (recon/supply gathering/house-neighborhood clearing) when all other gear is considered. But at the same time, I can't personally forsee an occasion to go out specifically equipped for melee-only battle.

I know that the answer to this probably belongs in the "what will your style be" thread, but I figure that discussion of the best close combat weapon would also encompass it's use and it's role in your kit with your other gear.

very interested to hear your response.

also, which style of shield do you fancy, and how do you plan to aquire/fashion it?

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'll carry an array of both melee and ranged weapons with me at all times (if possible). The only one I would probably use for combat would be my CS Kukri Machete. Other weapons would be my real ghurka kukri and a couple knives, but those would be used more as tools than as weapons. Of course, then my traveling pack, a belt of .22 lr with my revolver on my hip, my 9mm on the other hip, then my 30-30 slung on my shoulder. So back to the point. Will all that gear, I should be able to operate with so many potential melee weapons that I'd carry. I wouldn't want to get into something with only one option for a melee weapon. Thats why I carry so many and I have pretty much proved to myself that the kukri is best for what I am good at and that would be quick, versatile chopping attacks. My CS Kukri gets the job done well while the blade slices smoothly through most soft surfaces. The real kukri I bought in Nepal is a bit more devastating but a little to heavy for what I was trained for. The thicker and shorter blade cuts very well, but if it doesn't cut all the way, the quarter inch thick steel and weight behind it will pretty much smash what is left. I've seriously tried cutting through a 2x4 with that thing only to break it in half on the first swing... Its my baby.

[kiltedninja]

It's all stuff attachable to me. I'd use a tobogan as a shield, since they're cheap, fairly durable, and easy to find. I could replace a Kopis with a Kukri, and a spear could be used as a walking stick as well.

I'd carry it on my body, if I decided to go that route.

As for my other items I'd carry, since I'm currently no longer in possession of a firearm, I'd have to get one from my friend, other than that, I'd carry food, water, a sleeping bag, and ammo.

[Onslaught]

thanks for the reply.

I asked because I've recently gotten interested in backpacking. And when backpacking, lightweight seems to be the way to go. It's making me re-evaluate my ideas about gear.

I've always thought that fast and light would be the way to go, but I never had a really good idea of what "light" was. A typical 3 day load might weigh 30 lbs all told. Add to that a 9lb rifle, 2lb shield, 3lb spear, 2lb kukri, a 2lb pistol and (at least) 4lbs of mags and ammo and that 30 lb basic loadout ballons to 52lbs. Not exactly svelte.

I've come to look at just about every piece of gear and I'm thinking that some stuff could be left behind. To paraphrase ninja's sig, 'i'd rather carry one weapon that I'm good with than carry ten weapons just because they're weapons.'

I like the idea of a shield, but I think that for me, it would be cumbersome and would most likely get in the way. If I were to carry one it would probably be a 24x24 stop sign or 18x24 "do not pass" sign. More likely for me would be to armor my left forearm and hand. To effectively "wear" my shield.

The spear is a tough one for me bacause I really feel that distance is a good idea when the enemy is agressive and contagious. However, I'd personally rather have both hands free to manipulate my rifle (as I have one).

The falcata/kopis/kukri would be inseparable from my person at all times though. It would be my only permanent close combat weapon.

Dave, have you ever thought about the weight of all of your weapons and it's effect on your survivability?

[Dave Of The Dead]

Dave, have you ever thought about the weight of all of your weapons and it's effect on your survivability?

Oh, no doubt. My CS kukri barely weighs more than 2 lbs while the Nepalese
kukri weighs about double that. Knives weigh about 1lb each. With my guns and ammo, it would add maybe 25 lbs. So far, weapons only, I'm packing 33 lbs. The good thing about that though, is that it is distributed throughout my body with about half on my legs and hips and the rest on my back. I run regularly and about half the time I'll wear my pack filled with a nice stack of text books. I'm confident that I can take the extra weight.

[zombie2x4]

I was watching the history channel the other day and it was on heavy duty close combat weapons and on there was sthe halberd and my first thought was corpse buster, the hammer part is great for smashing and crushing, the spear tip for slashing or stabbing, and the big blade for cutting or hacking you could get a clean decapitation with that

[Faran Brigo]

Vietnam Tomahawk FTW

[Dave Of The Dead]

Vietnam Tomahawk FTW

They are starting to make better tomahawks with a more modern and functional design. Its popular among today's soldiers. I'll try and find the site.
Found it. Expensive, but I think they're worth it. http://www.rmjforge.com/eagle_talon.htm

[kiltedninja]

I'm a fan of tomahawks, I've seen a newer model of the Vietnam Tomahawk, I'd get one if I could.

[Bob]

The hammer head on the back side would make this one more useful over the long haul, or so I would think.

http://www.coldsteel.com/riflemanshawk.html
watch the videos

Warhammer?
http://www.coldsteel.com/warhammer.html
You would need to practice and develop endurance to use either for for than a single zed though.

[PitBullDog]

Machete! **** yeah! :evil:

[Dave Of The Dead]

Machete! **** yeah! :evil:

I like this guy already.

[Dark Gale]

Machete, it doesn't need reloading,and it's compact and maneuverable.

[kiltedninja]

You new guys are smarter than the last batch we got, they were all hellbent on bringing a katana.

[Dave Of The Dead]

You new guys are smarter than the last batch we got, they were all hellbent on bringing a katana.

:lol: amen

[Onslaught]

:lol: amen

absolutely.

also, check this place out:

http://dervishknives.com

[sk8rmichael]

i hate katanas -.- every one thinks there soo cool but they are pointless and too east to break

[bandits1]

i hate katanas -.- every one thinks there soo cool but they are pointless and too east to break
Lol...no need to "hate" katanas. They're great if one is properly trained to use them -- unfortunately almost no one is.

[hotlead]

i hate katanas -.- every one thinks there soo cool but they are pointless and too east to break

They aren't pointless.......there's one right on the end :doh:

[kiltedninja]

I know several guys who are very skilled with them, and in the event of Zday, they'll probably be using them. My aikido teacher comes to mind, a couple of the other students at our school as well.

I'd still go with a machete or spear, those are my strong points, not my sword skills.

[Necrolegion]

Baseball bats are good, but Tomahawks are much more versatile, compact and deadly

[Dark Gale]

Baseball bats are good, but Tomahawks are much more versatile, compact and deadly

An aluminum baseball bat will dent and become useless, while a wood one will just break.

[Necrolegion]

An aluminum baseball bat will dent and become useless, while a wood one will just break.

right, they would only be good for short term use. maybe i might carry one around till i found a better weapon, if i didn't already have one.

[Necrolegion]

other than the tomahawk, which can be used in both hands, two hands around a single grip, or using multiple tomahawks as thrown weapons, i would have to say knuckles with a spike welded to one end, a battle ready broadsword, or even bladed tonfa's or tonfa's with hidden blades would have decent use in close quarters against the ranks of the undead. although i'm not sure why a person would put themselves in that situation. :loon:

[Dave Of The Dead]

absolutely.

also, check this place out:

http://dervishknives.com

Yeah, they're pretty but too expensive. You can find functional blades without the flair for much much cheaper. At that price you might as well get a shotgun.

[kiltedninja]

Man, I've got a baseball bat, aluminum, that's been through like 7 fights with me over the years, and God knows how many with the guy that I swiped it from, since he did hit me with it(broke two ribs too). I'd definitely not count this tool out as a weapon.

A louisville slugger, a good wood one, would be something I could count on as a weapon for a while.

[bandits1]

Man, I've got a baseball bat, aluminum, that's been through like 7 fights with me over the years, and God knows how many with the guy that I swiped it from, since he did hit me with it(broke two ribs too). I'd definitely not count this tool out as a weapon.

A louisville slugger, a good wood one, would be something I could count on as a weapon for a while.
I think swinging a bat, aluminum or wood, enough times with enough force to kill would do more damage to the bat than what you guys were doing to it. When your friend broke your ribs, how much harder and how many more times would he have had to swung that bat to put you down permanently?

Not saying I wouldn't want to have a baseball bat around, it's just that I wouldn't expect it to last very long. Especially a wood one.

[kiltedninja]

Well for one, he wasn't a friend.
I think if he just swung higher and hit me in the head, I woulda gone down for good.

I'd hope that I'm equipped with something more than a bat, but I'd definitely pick it up if I had one.

[Onslaught]

Yeah, they're pretty but too expensive. You can find functional blades without the flair for much much cheaper. At that price you might as well get a shotgun.

they are cost prohibitive, but 5160 is a great steel for choppers, and I love the design of the yataghan. I posted it as more of a design reference than anytihng.

It wouldn't be pretty, but as long as you know the times and temps (and have enough control over your fire) one of those could be made with pretty basic tools.

2lb hammer
5lb sledge
10-20lb sledge (sunk into concrete or ground or stump as an anvil)
files
hacksaw
a stone or two
leaf spring from a car/truck (usually 5160 steel)

the only forging would be to straighten the curve from the leaf spring. everything else could be stock removal once you annealed it. then hardening (while not perfect, mind you, it is the post apocalypse) could be accomplished in a blown woodfire. you could easily hook a fan to a bike's rear tire and have it blow air through a pipe to increase the heat of your cahrcoal fire. heat it til it's not magnetic and quench it in automatic transmission fluid. then temper the edge till it's straw yellow and the spine till it's bright blue. I'm simplifying a bit, but the basics are there. and lets face it, we're not making a sacred katana, we're making a hearty chopper out of car parts in a zombie infested, post-apocalypse.

that was straying off topic a bit, but It would be my Ideal close combat weapon.

[mattifikation]

As far as bats go, they'll best serve their purpose if you use them for creating distance between you and zombies. You'd probably have a hard time taking them down, but *knocking* them down would be a fair bit easier. I don't think a zombie's sense of balance would be able to compensate for a good follow-through swing.

When you're in melee, it's time to forget about killing Zack and focus on getting Back.

[Darkness]

"Just to let you know, the BaseBall Bat conversation is in this thread......."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15435
".....Along with the other blunt, head crushing toys." :)

[mattifikation]

So bats aren't a close combat weapon?

[Darkness]

"Yes, they are."

"I just thought you might enjoy reading the other one as well. Since you seem to know them well." :)

[kiltedninja]

I'd use it as a last ditch weapon, but I'd really like to have something more purpose built in event of Zday

[Nameless1]

I would go with an axe, however I just bought an Cold Steel Indian War club the gun stock variant (http://www.coldsteel.com/gunstockwarclub.html) which I think would be bad a$$ to use against a Zed.

[kiltedninja]

I think those things look ridiculous.

[Necrolegion]

I think i remember seeing something like that in the remake of "Last of the Moheccans" ..... the older fellow used one of those.... i know its hollywood magic and stuff, but the way they showed it, it looked like it works pretty well

[homelitexl]

chainsaw is still my pick

[Dark Gale]

chainsaw is still my pick

...Why?

Message to short

[Necrolegion]

chainsaw is still my pick

hahaha, have fun buddy. i know it looked fun in dead rising, but... haha

[mattifikation]

You won't get through to him folks. Don't even try.

[Bob]

Chainsaws are his thang...

[homelitexl]

exactly theyve already tried to convert me

[Necrolegion]

lol i suppose, you do have a chainsaw as your pic even. Best of luck in the Apocalypse man!

[kiltedninja]

I think that if anyone could survive the zombie apocalypse with a chainsaw, it's the dude from Texas Chainsaw massacre and Homelitexl.

[Necrolegion]

Hahaha, oh my god. i just pictured two guys running around together with nothing but chainsaws and chainsaw maintenance stuff....haha

[homelitexl]

that sounds awesome to me.

[Dark Gale]

that sounds awesome to me.

It sounds like a death trap to me <_<

[joerrrrrr]

What....no crowbar??:drinking:


I know, right!

[homelitexl]

but a chainsaw can cut through the barricades faster than the crowbar.

[Dark Gale]

but a chainsaw can cut through the barricades faster than the crowbar.

But chainsaws break, run out of gas, get stuck in zombies, etc, etc....

[Dave Of The Dead]

But chainsaws break, run out of gas, get stuck in zombies, etc, etc....

So do crowbars... minus the running out of gas part.

[Necrolegion]

Quote:
Originally Posted by homelitexl View Post
that sounds awesome to me.
It sounds like a death trap to me <_<

but a chainsaw can cut through the barricades faster than the crowbar.

Damn straight. you would have better chances busting into prison a few blocks away. short term stuff....

But chainsaws break, run out of gas, get stuck in zombies, etc, etc....

cough cough.... nothing but chainsaws and chainsaw maintenance stuff


of course though, the fault with carrying so much equipment is there is not going to be any endurance treks across the city or country or whatever. hence the short term stuff

Besides, if Ash can do it, anybody can do it! :doh:

[homelitexl]

exactly and he would number three in the group, cause you always need a drunk redneck a chainsaw wielding phsyco and a smart ass funny man running around killing zombies.:lol:

[J Dub]

exactly and he would number three in the group, cause you always need a drunk redneck a chainsaw wielding phsyco and a smart ass funny man running around killing zombies.:lol:

dude, you're gonna love Dead Snow

looks like its got some chainsaw porn :lol:

[homelitexl]

wow im amazed

[Dark Gale]

So do crowbars... minus the running out of gas part.

It's easier to break the chain on a chainsaw than it is to break a solid steel crowbar.

[mattifikation]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCKK1XF2wY

Apparently, they found the chain on that chainsaw a mile and a half away in a parking lot. That's a chainsaw powered by a V8 engine, by the way.

[Dark Gale]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxCKK1XF2wY

Apparently, they found the chain on that chainsaw a mile and a half away in a parking lot. That's a chainsaw powered by a V8 engine, by the way.
That's definitely gonna be homelitexl when the outbreak comes.

[homelitexl]

not really take care of my saws so that dont happen plus i plan on leading a division of fellow chainsaw wielders into battle, anyway ive got a picky brand when i get bars and chains.

[kiltedninja]

That's how I am with my boots and coats, if it's not a certain brand, I don't buy it. My boots are made by our good friend Dr. Marten, they're a close combat weapon in their own right.

But seriously, if it came down to the CQ weapon, a vast majority of people would be screwed.

[ZombieJesus13]

:axe:I would use the my fathers sharp pick axe. I know you guys wouldnt but my town has about 500 people and we live out of city limits. So if any zeds came to the house there would only be about hhmm 2-4 at a time which i could easily kill with a pick axe.

[Necrolegion]

lol, like my bloody valentine

[kiltedninja]

Never seen that movie, but honestly, it'd be a lot cooler looking if it weren't in 3-D.

[fast1]

machette is definitely my pick, easy handling but yet effectivehttp://photosnag.com/img/3322/n09x0302vnsn/clear.gif

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

Where's my Crowbar it's a multi purpose tool, and if thats gone i want my machete

[J Dub]

the long sword i've been thinking of is called a claymore (scottish). great for keeping a good distance and they cut through bone like butter :evil:

not to mention they only come in around 6lbs which ain't too bad for a 41/2 to 5ft blade.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

they are like you say very well made swords but they become heavy after a lilw hile but if you can master the weight you will have no problems bcuz on average they have a good 6-10 ft reaching distance where as my crowbar only has bout 4ft

[kiltedninja]

I should totally use a claymore.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

lol run around with a claymore in ur hand so it blows up in somebodys face

[J Dub]

lol run around with a claymore in ur hand so it blows up in somebodys face

:lol: you owe me a keyboard :lol:

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

:lol: you owe me a keyboard :lol:

WHY do i owe you a keyboard? :think:

[J Dub]

WHY do i owe you a keyboard? :think:


dr pepper all over it :lol:

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

and how on earth did you spill Dr.Pepper on it lol, did i make you laugh or something?

[J Dub]

running around like this guy? :lol:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/a0cd6733793b.gif

[Necrolegion]

Flamberge. straight up.

[kiltedninja]

lol run around with a claymore in ur hand so it blows up in somebodys face

I meant the sword mate, since I do wear a kilt it would make sense that I use a Scottish weapon.