Body Protection

[ZEDcommand004]

http://christianburns.wordpress.com/2007/02/19/trojan-suit-full-body-armor-failed-to-sell-on-ebay/

this is the website i was looking at saw it... the person who made the suit made a grizzly bear suit too!

[bandits1]

Lol. I saw the video about that POS. So much useless, but amusing, crap on it. By the time you actually got suited up and ready to roll, the zombie crisis would already be over...so I guess in a way it would work.

Props to the guy for actually making it, though.

[Dave Of The Dead]

This is the exact reason why nobody will ever take this kid seriously. Who the **** do you think you are? Spartan 117?

[ZEDcommand004]

no that suit is suppose to be for riot control and can is bullet proof from point blank up to a shotgun!

[kiltedninja]

The reason the military and police aren't using it are the ones I mentioned. Plus it's probably about 3 billion dollars.

[ZEDcommand004]

he was selling the it for 35000 dollars online and it only weighs 30 pounds!

[kiltedninja]

Okay, 35g's, multiply that by even just a thousand, it's 35 million dollars. The average annual cost for a deployed soldier is around 390 thousand dollars a year, without another 35 grand on there.

It's probably ridiculously cumbersome, otherwise show me video proof of otherwise.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I am going to build a giant suit of armor that is 10x my size and put pneumatic actuators that move the armor to my exact movements as I sit inside and munch on cheetos while stomping on the zombies beneath my size 44 iron boots of steel!
It will all be constructed from shit that I steal from Subway....

[Sammo909]

Did no one else notice that the suit had fingerless gloves? Even if a horde of Zeds didn't tear the guy apart, one bite and he's a well-dressed corpse.

[mattifikation]

Mall Ninja wants Trojan Armor. Typical. Dude, the only Trojan you need to worry about is the kind that saves the world from a smaller version of you running around.

[JakAttak]

a kevlar vest would be nice just in case of hostile or clumsy gunman.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Ever see the Grindhouse movie Planet Terror? Remember the scene where the sheriff stumbles through the door screaming "I knew one of you mother****ers would shoot me!" as he clasps his neck and the deputy apologizes repeatedly? I think I would wear a collar to prevent that. Like a light metal one like the samurai would wear to keep from getting their heads cut off as a trophy. I'm already comfortable wearing the one I have now, why not get one with a little more "umph!" right? It might deflect, slow, stop a bullet and then again it might not... But I would rather have one and find out than not have one and wish I could have taken the chance.

[rogeneck]

if it doesn't stop that bullet the you have a pice of metal the size of your thumb in your neck. if by so chance of god you dont die right away your going to die of a collapsed windpipe. i would rather stick with being shot in the neck and either dieing or havin it pass through and not touch any thing.

another thing is if its metal and it gets shot except shrapnel.

[CAVU45]

a kevlar vest would be nice just in case of hostile or clumsy gunman.

To make a kevlar vest truly worthwhile you'd need the SAPI front and back. Those things weren't made with quick movement in mind.

[JakAttak]

swat dudes seem pretty quick

[CAVU45]

swat dudes seem pretty quick

They aren't wearing the stuff for hours on end while walking for miles upon miles either. Short sprints are about it with the armor on.
Plus, I don't know if it's the same type the military wears. That heavy OTV with the SAPI gets mighty heavy after a few hours. Add your kit to it (ammo and such) and the thing can weigh upwards of 50 pounds. It particularly hits you in the lower back.

[kiltedninja]

I've worn full SWAT riot gear, and without your kit in it, it's not heavy, nor is it like the stuff the military wears.

[CAVU45]

It won't stop a rifle round either. That's where the SAPI comes in.

[SuperJuggernaut13]

I would choose chainmail as well. You could wear a sleeveless shirt underneath it and since chainmail is breathable metal mesh you could play your cards right and watch how you travel. Take breaks in the shade of trees or wait for that crisp cool breeze to flow through the meshyness. All armor has its burdens but when it comes down to it and your in a safe house you can take it off until you get ready to head out again :roll:

[kiltedninja]

I'd like to choose to protect my striking tools(fists, elbows, knees and shins) as well as the important bits(my manly bits and head) at all times, but I'd especially protect my chest and neck when I know I'm going on the offensive.

[J Dub]

if this armor is just for protection from bites and scratching of the undead. i'd go with good ol fashioned cow hide, heavy stuff 12oz or higher. those bastiages would chew for days before getting through.
but kevlar would do in a pinch if it was easy to find.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, thick leather is your best bet. Deerskin isn't as tough as cowhide, but it is pretty good as well.

[bandits1]

I'd like to choose to protect my striking tools(fists, elbows, knees and shins) as well as the important bits(my manly bits and head) at all times, but I'd especially protect my chest and neck when I know I'm going on the offensive.
You plan on punching and kicking zombies?

[mattifikation]

You never know what you might have to resort to.

[ZombieBruce]

multiple layers of duck tape would be good in an emergency you cant tear that shit up with your teeth!

[kiltedninja]

You plan on punching and kicking zombies?

Ever seen a Muay Thai fighter collapse someone's cheekbone with their elbow? I've seen someone totally destroy an arm with a kick, punches would only be a last resort, but I've still got six striking points aside from those. I do Muay Thai if you haven't gathered that yet.

[neoanderson9318]

I would go for some good ol'-fashion jeans and leather jacket over some another layer of clothes. I would go for leather or kevlar gloves, millitary-issue combat boots, and a full-faced motorcycle helmet. :lol: But I would need something to cover my neck still, any suggestions?

[bandits1]

Ever seen a Muay Thai fighter collapse someone's cheekbone with their elbow? I've seen someone totally destroy an arm with a kick, punches would only be a last resort, but I've still got six striking points aside from those. I do Muay Thai if you haven't gathered that yet.
Ever seen a hungry zombie bite someone who tried to collapse his cheekbone with their elbow?

How long have you been taking muay thai? You're just a beginner, right?

[the_velociraptor]

What's an effective guard for the neck? I mean, it's easy to armor up the limbs, but not the neck, outside of an awkward bomb suit, chain mail, or suit of armor.

[Darkness]

"Gorgets are good for protecting the neck." :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorget

[neoanderson9318]

Awesome! Thanks! Now my anti-zombie uniform is complete! :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

All the collars on my jackets and coats come well above my chin. My wool "Boondocks Saints" coat that I plan to wear (because it's thick, warm, and very well padded) zips all the way up to the mouth and then buttons over that. I feel I'd have pretty good neck protection with that thing. I'll post pictures sometime when I dig the thing out of my dorm closet.

[neoanderson9318]

Wow.. Well unfortunately, I don't have a "Boondock Saints" coat... SO I'll just have to go with the gorget...

[Dave Of The Dead]

Wow.. Well unfortunately, I don't have a "Boondock Saints" coat... SO I'll just have to go with the gorget...

That's just what I call it because some people think it looks like its from that movie.

Anyway, most biker jackets now and other thicket winter coats cover and button over the neck. Burlington Coat Factory anyone? :lol:

Also, samurai used to wear iron collars to keep from getting their head taken as a trophy. You could always make an aluminum version for more comfort and protection. Remember, leather and cloth might protect against a bite. But if you get slammed in the throat and your hyoid gets broken, that's death right there.

[neoanderson9318]

Yeah, good thought. I'll hafta see if I can find some spare stuff around the farm to make a neck guard with. I'll upload pics if I do. It might be a while though.

[Amazonian]

I would wear a Neptunic Waterman Pro shark suit. It can be worn completely or in layers (arms, legs, chest). It is light weight and makes it easy for you to move. It's a blend of wetsuit and shark bite material. You can also just get just the separate pieces including gloves, waders and sleeves.

[neoanderson9318]

Hm... Interesting. I never thought of a shark-bite suit. Good call.


Do the have...um...neck pieces. :)

[bandits1]

I would wear a Neptunic Waterman Pro shark suit. It can be worn completely or in layers (arms, legs, chest). It is light weight and makes it easy for you to move. It's a blend of wetsuit and shark bite material. You can also just get just the separate pieces including gloves, waders and sleeves.
Is this the suit you're talking about?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6672/mbnsuitnarrowweb300x481.jpg
...nice.

[neoanderson9318]

Is this the suit you're talking about?

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/6672/mbnsuitnarrowweb300x481.jpg
...nice.
Not bad at all...

[mattifikation]

I didn't know they made shark bite suits. How does a suit stop giant teeth and jaws the size of furniture?

...Especially a suit thin enough that you can make out the nipples of the hot, hot babe wearing it...?

[neoanderson9318]

I didn't know they made shark bite suits. How does a suit stop giant teeth and jaws the size of furniture?

...Especially a suit thin enough that you can make out the nipples of the hot, hot babe wearing it...?
My...um...second thought exactly. :)

[the_velociraptor]

The shark bite suit appears to have been made for smaller sharks.

[hotlead]

I didn't know they made shark bite suits. How does a suit stop giant teeth and jaws the size of furniture?

...Especially a suit thin enough that you can make out the nipples of the hot, hot babe wearing it...?

Have her come over to my house with that suit on, I'll chew through it and tell you how well it works.

I'll have to put on some Barry White though, that's my normal shark bite suit chewin' music.

[the_velociraptor]

"Gorgets are good for protecting the neck." :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorget

Pretty rare, though.

(At least, I dunno if I'd find one in America... outside of a museum.)

[Darkness]

"I can MAKE them, the_velociraptor, it's not that hard, and patterns can be found online." ;-)



"Or go to your nearest SCA Faire." :lol:

[homelitexl]

one tWo ideas a pinstripesuit with aww2 gas mask and a fedoro or a butchers apron and a hockey mask

[bandits1]

...or head down to your nearest sporting goods store and buy a cut-resistant nylon neck protector that they use in hockey. Easier.

[Darkness]

"Good one, Bandit. Thanks." :)

[the_velociraptor]

...or head down to your nearest sporting goods store and buy a cut-resistant nylon neck protector that they use in hockey. Easier.

Much better. :doh:

[kiltedninja]

Ever seen a hungry zombie bite someone who tried to collapse his cheekbone with their elbow?

How long have you been taking muay thai? You're just a beginner, right?

I've been in for a month, but I've also been training for three times as long per day than everyone else. With any luck, zombies won't come a munchin for my fleshy goodness before I've been training before a couple years.

And I'm not gonna be going for the cheekbone, I was just presenting that because it's what I saw. I'd hit the neck or occipital lobe, or send my kicks towards the knees.

In all realism though, I'd go with something that allows freedom of movement over protection, since I'll not actually be trying to smash the bones of our flesh loving friends, but rather escaping to somewhere safe. I'd only use H2H if one of the smarter 'zombies' was trying to take me out.

[Bob]

Not my type.
Don't get me wrong, she would probably cause me to have a stroke but...

[neoanderson9318]

...or head down to your nearest sporting goods store and buy a cut-resistant nylon neck protector that they use in hockey. Easier.
Wow. I never thought of that either. I'm'a go out and buy one later... Just in case... ;)

[homelitexl]

im gtonna look like a damn phsyco come z-day who else wiill look like al capone in a gas mask with a sawd off and a chainsaw

[mattifikation]

Protective sports gear is probably the way to go. I don't know crap about sports or the gear involved though.

[kiltedninja]

Wasn't it Dave that said that we'd probably all end up looking like Mad Max extras?

Where is that Dave guy anyway?

[Darkness]

"Dave is busy getting settled into College, right now. But he will be back soon." :)

[Bob]

Dave who???

[Darkness]

"Dave of The Dead."

[neoanderson9318]

im gtonna look like a damn phsyco come z-day who else wiill look like al capone in a gas mask with a sawd off and a chainsaw
Oh, no, no, no... You wouldn't want a chainsaw. And even the sawed-off, that's not THAT good of a weapon choice...

[kiltedninja]

Oh, no, no, no... You wouldn't want a chainsaw. And even the sawed-off, that's not THAT good of a weapon choice...

Neo, We've already tried, you won't get through to him any better than the rest of us.

[neoanderson9318]

Okay. Thanks for the advice. I was just trying. I guess I just won't try anymore. :)

[homelitexl]

yeah dude dont bother trying to turn me im gonna use what i want ot i love my shotgun and my chainsaw.

[kiltedninja]

I wasn't trying to defend you Homelite, I was trying to save him a few dozen wasted brain cells.

[Bob]

There was someone here named Dave of the Dead?
**Just Kidding**

[kiltedninja]

Bob...you fail.:lol:

[Bob]

I will do better next time.
Bobs daughter is coming to see him this weekend all the way from MA.
How old do you think the Grandsons need to be before I give them Shootin Irons.

[neoanderson9318]

I will do better next time.
Bobs daughter is coming to see him this weekend all the way from MA.
How old do you think the Grandsons need to be before I give them Shootin Irons.
Hm... 5. :)

[Bob]

Their mom thinks at least 13, I was thinking 10.
But I guess I will go with what she says.

[hotlead]

The Boy Scouts start shooting .22lr at 10, it's where I got my start and where my youngins will get theirs.

I think 10 is a good place to start, depending on the kid.

[rogeneck]

i think i was eight when i shoot for my first time but it wasent like i could just go around shooting things in the middle of the night. it was rather supervised. I dont think you should ever "give" a kid a gun.

[Darkness]

"Time to get this thread back on Topic, guys." :naughty:

[DarthJoe8]

Sorry Darkness just one more thing...:)

Their mom thinks at least 13, I was thinking 10.
But I guess I will go with what she says.

Seven states — Alabama, Arkansas, Indiana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Vermont and Washington — set no minimum age for solo hunting. In Texas, kids can hunt alone when they are 9. In Alaska, Louisiana and Tennessee, the minimum age for unsupervised hunting is 10, in Missouri it’s 11, and in nine other states it’s 12.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31952727/ns/us_news-life/

As a hunter I find this to be insane... :loon:

I'm all for using some form of body protection. :drinking: A nice balance between protection and being functional...:think:

:drinking:

[the_velociraptor]

The Boy Scouts start shooting .22lr at 10, it's where I got my start and where my youngins will get theirs.

I think 10 is a good place to start, depending on the kid.

.22LRs are pretty good, though you have the concerns for its ability to pierce a human skull.

[Darkness]

"Please take the Gun Talk to either, the Gun Topic Threads, or the ATZ Gun Club Social Group. This thread is about Body Protection, as in clothing." ;-)

[kiltedninja]

I'd have to convince my gf to wear more clothing than she usually does, because it's starting to get colder, and while in the summer it's okay to run around mostly naked, when the undead are chasing you about, its a different story.

[homelitexl]

yeah dude my ex had that problem anyhow im gonna look cool in the zpaw

[mattifikation]

...Doubtful.

[the_velociraptor]

I know it's stupid, but wearing a motorcycle helmet protects from face-spatter if the blood's still fresh. Plus, you can stuff a wet rag underneath in case of sudden ash or air polluting-whatnot.

(Plus, it looks cool, but, eh.)

[Sammo909]

How badly does a motorbike helmet muffle sound? Protecting from splatter is great, but if it stops you hearing the Zed that's about to sink it's jaws into your shoulder it's not worth it.

[Hunk]

tight skater jeans and underarmour compression tee. over that ill have a leather jacket and chaps with steel toe combat boots. maybe even leather gloves with spikes for use in tight spots

[homelitexl]

my pinstripe suit a nazi gas mask my fedora my homelite pro
two homelite xls my browing 308. and my db shotgun nuff said

[Bob]

My body protection is going to be a pair of jeans and a jacket.
Oh yea boots too.
I don't plan on letting them get close enough to need any more.

I am going to put Tallahassee to shame.
I am going to take an army to hell with me.
Oh wait, is it a sin to kill zombies?

[mattifikation]

They're already dead. The bible says "Thou shalt not kill," not "Thou shalt not deanimate."

[Darkness]

"Let's keep the Bible out of this, please." :naughty:

[mattifikation]

Hard to answer Bob's question if I do that...

But for the sake of the topic, I like the idea of just going with an underarmor shirt and some tight jeans. Just not too tight. I like my nuts more than that.

[Noc]

Tight jeans can cause sterilisation, that's not gunna be helpful when we have to repopulate the earth. :D Sorry Darkness.

Jeans, t-shirt, heavy knit jumper, footy socks, adidas superstars. That's about as protective as I can get. Oh and a Camelbak:)

[lakewalker]

Phew I just finished reading this thread over the last couple of days and figured I'd have a go at my kit...I'm from Canada so my choices are what is readily available to me.

Base Layer - Bauer Cut Resistant one piece (http://www.bauer.com/gear/accessories/baselayer/1489-BAUER), Smart wool Socks

Mid Layer - Canadian Forces Gore Tex Stealth Suit (http://www.cpgear.com/StoreBox/clothing_and_accessories/1045.htm)

Top Layer - Drop Zone Tactical Ops Shirt and Pants (http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/opsset.html). I did like the Turtleskin.com Hunting Pants (http://www.turtleskin.com/Hunting-Pants.aspx) found earlier in this thread

Coat - Recce Smock (http://www.dropzonetactical.com/clothing/reccesmock.html)

Boots - My trustworthy Redwing Steel Toe Work Boots (http://www.redwingshoes.com/productdetails.aspx?prodid=1199) with Kevlar fabric calf wrap. If these are too heavy, try to find some Hanwag hiking boots, or Danner Striker combat boots.

Head Gear - Bauer Hockey Helmet (http://www.bauer.com/gear/player/helmetsfacial#shell) with Bauer Half Shield (http://www.bauer.com/gear/player/helmetsfacial/6868-BAUER)

Gloves - Carbon X hard knuckle gloves with the addition of Kevlar fabric forearm Gauntlet

Armor - I still need to ponder this. Probably some calf and forearm protection, along with some neck protection. I'd like to find some body armor and ballictic helmet with face shield for the non-Z folk, but it's not readily available to Canadians. I did like the Hexarmor.com Arm Sleeves (http://www.hexarmor.com/products/detail/19-arm-sleeve/) and gloves as well.

A good rucksack such as a Kifaru Hunting pack (https://www.kifaru.net/spikecamp.html)or anEberle Gun Pack (http://eberlestock.com/GS05%20Gunslinger.htm)would be good but in regards to protection I think it would be important to be able to ditch it in a hurry, but they do offer some rear protection, and if getting one I would try to get as sleak a model as I can get away with.

That's about it...I don't like the lack of mobility afforded by motorcycle suits. It's ok for a crouched position on my bike but for walking around..meh, never mind trying to run in it. If I wanted to do some room/building clearing the riot gear or correction officer cell entry gear would be awesome.

[lakewalker]

I've thought about it and I can't easily get riot gear, IIIA armor, or other armor legally here in Canada. So my full out armor for Foraging and room/building clearing I'll just use Fire Fighter bunker gear (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunker_gear)for my first choice, and hit up some sporting goods store for Hockey or Lacrosse gear for my friends and family.

[SuperJuggernaut13]

chainmail mid sleeved shirt with added on collar, motorcycle gloves with my trigger finger cut out on one, light plated leg guards, bracers for arms, red wing hiking boots, and supply harness. I would use a gas mask over my chainmail coif(or head gear)when not using the gasmask i'd have some goggles on or some thing with my face covered.

[kiltedninja]

Smart wools are awesome, that's all I wear now.
I'm probably rocking some Dickies, my adidas or a pair of chuck taylors, a thermal and/or a t-shirt, a sweater of some sort, and my flight jacket.

[angekfire]

Chain armor would work well at stopping bites and claws, but it is typically fairly heavy (16-25lbs probably, depending on gauge), and it can be kinda noisy. Helmets can be a bad idea not only because of vision impairment, but it can also throw off your center of balance.

I like the wetsuit or leather racing suit ideas the best.

[homelitexl]

a jug of grease and a speedo

[Patrickwontsurvive]

I would rock a motorcycle riding jacket and gloves with a trigger finger removed, I figure if asphalt cant take a chunk out of you as you are skidding along at 80mph, neither can a human jaw. Then on top of that I would have some lightweight fabric that sheds water that I could pull up from under my collar to cover my mouth and nose and a pair of aviators to protect my eyes from blood spray etc, though I would probably upgrade to something that isn't tinted at the first chance possible. Then on my lower body I would just wear a pair of durable jeans or cargo pants that are lose enough to move around in but are not billowy or to baggy. I have also been thinking of making some forearm bracers that would be heavy enough to stop a bite, either leather or some heavy duty material. Maybe even make it out of light gauge steel or CF.


... I just realized that I would look like I am about to rob a gas station in that get up. Awesome.

[kiltedninja]

I would rock a motorcycle riding jacket and gloves with a trigger finger removed, I figure if asphalt cant take a chunk out of you as you are skidding along at 80mph, neither can a human jaw. Then on top of that I would have some lightweight fabric that sheds water that I could pull up from under my collar to cover my mouth and nose and a pair of aviators to protect my eyes from blood spray etc, though I would probably upgrade to something that isn't tinted at the first chance possible. Then on my lower body I would just wear a pair of durable jeans or cargo pants that are lose enough to move around in but are not billowy or to baggy. I have also been thinking of making some forearm bracers that would be heavy enough to stop a bite, either leather or some heavy duty material. Maybe even make it out of light gauge steel or CF.


... I just realized that I would look like I am about to rob a gas station in that get up. Awesome.

Invest in some Carhartt jeans, the double kneed variety. The denim is way thick and double layered the extent of the leg.

I'm going to look at a pair of flanel lined jeans for the winter.

[Bob]

How does one "rock" a piece of clothing?
Do mean you slap it on a rock down by the river to clean it?

[mattifikation]

It's young people lingo for "looking good wearing it."

[homelitexl]

jug o grease and a thong

[mattifikation]

Aaaaaand that would be a counterexample to the concept of "rocking it."

[Shufflef00t]

Dry-fit or thermal Base layer. Depending on weather.

Double knee Dickie's jeans and a tactical vest on top of that.

Combat style Steel toe Doc Martens, Police issue tactical belt, leather gloves, black toque.

Bandanna in tow to cover the mouth/nose if necessary, sunglasses.

Dress light, stay mobile. Your best defense is distance and agility.

[kiltedninja]

Dry-fit or thermal Base layer. Depending on weather.

Double knee Dickie's jeans and a tactical vest on top of that.

Combat style Steel toe Doc Martens, Police issue tactical belt, leather gloves, black toque.

Bandanna in tow to cover the mouth/nose if necessary, sunglasses.

Dress light, stay mobile. Your best defense is distance and agility.

Doc's are anti-light mate. Comfortable as hell but not very light. You're not going to find any light steel toed boots.

I'm fixing to wear a pair of trail runners or my hiking boots.

[Shufflef00t]

I have a pair of doc's that are light enough for my liking.

[kiltedninja]

I only wear mine to work because I don't like how heavy they are in comparison to my other shoes/ boots.

[Shufflef00t]

I run in my doc's regularly. My feet don't even feel it anymore.

[kiltedninja]

Eh, we all have our personal preferences.

I think that body protection is largely a matter of what you're going to do. If you're looking to get into fistfights with Zack, then cover up thoroughly, but if you're going to just worried about the environment and your warmth/comfort then you're okay in a pair of levi's and a sweater.

[Sammo909]

^ Agree with Shufflef00t, I've worn steel-capped leather boots for years, after a full day's work or breaking into a jog when in a rush they may not be the most flexible but they're not a hindrance in the slightest.

[kiltedninja]

Rock 'em if you can, but If you can't, then go with something lighter. I personally can't wear my Doc's all day, and at the end of a work day, nothing feels better than putting on my adidas.

[Onslaught]

I'm thinking hiking boots/trail runners. But, I'm also looking at the newer caombat boots from danner, bates, oakley, and converse. Anybody have any experience with them?

[mattifikation]

I think latex catsuits would be perfect zombie protection for attractive women.

[Onslaught]

I think latex catsuits would be perfect zombie protection for attractive women.

Absolutely. They'd have to learn to use bullwhips as close combat weapons though, gotta accessorize.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think latex catsuits would be perfect zombie protection for attractive women.

Um, High Five! :lol:

[unnamedbaby77]

I go for under armor spandex type underlayers and heavy boots with gore-tex liners and as far as i can tell the kevlar and tac vest seem to make for a pretty good bite proof torso

I would imagine the kevlar motorcycle jackets would provide alot

this one look about right!
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/batman-dark-knight-motorcycle-suit-20-07-2009/
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/batman-dark-knight-motorcycle-suit1.jpg

[kiltedninja]

Kevlar's good for bullets because it disperses the force, but a piercing or stabbing type thing tends to pierce it.

I don't think I'd wear much really, just my clothes, since I don't imagine I'll be spending a whole lot of time wrestling zombies.

[unnamedbaby77]

Kevlar's good for bullets because it disperses the force, but a piercing or stabbing type thing tends to pierce it.

I don't think I'd wear much really, just my clothes, since I don't imagine I'll be spending a whole lot of time wrestling zombies.

you are correct in the sens that it will not stop knives or spikes, but good luck getting teeth into it or a not so pointed knife even ka bars have trouble getting into a kevlar vest

[homelitexl]

greased up and in a speedo theyll never grab me

[slayer1222]

i have some motor bike gear and a helmet that fit me so i would probaly wear those and i also have some doc martins that i can run in and some trainers so either ones depending on my situation

[kiltedninja]

I have a pair of doc's that are light enough for my liking.

And I suppose that now that I'm a little more used to them, I could do it as well. I just wasn't used to my docs.

[Dave Of The Dead]

And I suppose that now that I'm a little more used to them, I could do it as well. I just wasn't used to my docs.

Just got a text a couple days ago from a friend saying "punk has officially sold out. $20 fake docs at Wal Mart"

I love mine but I don't feel like I could wear them for every situation in the ZPAW

[kiltedninja]

Just got a text a couple days ago from a friend saying "punk has officially sold out. $20 fake docs at Wal Mart"

I love mine but I don't feel like I could wear them for every situation in the ZPAW

Man punk sold out when Green Day came on the scene. I'm so pissed about it.

No, definitely not every situation, but I think I could wear mine for a majority of things.

[mattifikation]

You weren't alive yet when Green Day came on the scene. You were 1 when they released their first CD. :-p

[kiltedninja]

I was listening to punk rock when I was 1. I've grown up listening to it, since before I could remember in fact.

[Sammo909]

I thought Punk sold out when the former members of Dead Kennedys tried to sue Jello Biafra over lost sales some years back.

[unnamedbaby77]

You weren't alive yet when Green Day came on the scene. You were 1 when they released their first CD. :-p

You think green day was on the punk scene.
nuf said

also funny: the wally world here sells fake converse all stars too!

[angekfire]

Actually, I have "steel toe" shoes which are very light because the toe is made of high-grade plastic, so both light, and durable enough to handle zed bites or claws. CSA approved, so it is tough enough.

[kiltedninja]

You think green day was on the punk scene.
nuf said

also funny: the wally world here sells fake converse all stars too!

A lot of people think that Green day was punk.

I see alot of punk shows here, we have a lot of local punk bands, real punk rock too. It's good stuff. We have a lot of that gay emo shit too though.

Also, so we're not too off topic.

I'd wear my Docs and bring my Adidas Samba classics along for when I need to do something that involves being lighter on my feet.

I'll probably be wearing my Carhartt coat, or my flight jacket, something that keeps me warm and at protected from the elements.

[Dave Of The Dead]

A lot of people think that Green day was punk.

I see alot of punk shows here, we have a lot of local punk bands, real punk rock too. It's good stuff. We have a lot of that gay emo shit too though.

Also, so we're not too off topic.

I'd wear my Docs and bring my Adidas Samba classics along for when I need to do something that involves being lighter on my feet.

I'll probably be wearing my Carhartt coat, or my flight jacket, something that keeps me warm and at protected from the elements.

I've been wearing the same Sambas for three years now and the soles are just now starting to wear. I would wear them all the time in the ZPAW just because they're breathable and have good grip.

[kiltedninja]

I know man, they're comfortable as hell.

If you look closely in the old Way of the Dragon movie, Chuck Norris and his karate pals are wearing them.

[Dave Of The Dead]

:lol: Very nice. My friends and I have been screwing around with shitty parkour moves around campus and my sambas are the only shoes I have that have the grip to allow me to do consecutive wall jumps down the hallways or run up smooth walls or windows. We just like to **** around but those shoes let me **** around like a pro :lol:

[kiltedninja]

K-swiss are really popular with the traceurs around here. I like my Sambas though, they've got the grip, they're pretty cheap as far as good shoes go, and they look good.

[unnamedbaby77]

i have found that tread-safe foodservice shoes have awesome grip for such ninjaing around

[Dave Of The Dead]

i have found that tread-safe foodservice shoes have awesome grip for such ninjaing around

I wore those when I worked at Taco Bell, Mc Donnalds, Subway, and every other kitchen I worked in over the years. They're pretty good shoes. They start off being very comfortable but wear out pretty fast. Watch out for the no-slip soles also, because if you don't keep them clean, junk will get up in there and make them pretty slick.

[homelitexl]

im going comando style for my pick

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, fvck underwear...

[slayer1222]

Yeah, fvck underwear...

thats easy for e, i dont wear any

[unnamedbaby77]

I wore those when I worked at Taco Bell, Mc Donnalds, Subway, and every other kitchen I worked in over the years. They're pretty good shoes. They start off being very comfortable but wear out pretty fast. Watch out for the no-slip soles also, because if you don't keep them clean, junk will get up in there and make them pretty slick.

indeed. I wore different models of the same shoes for around three years in a mexican kitchen .......and yeah after you have been sliding around a dinner rush for eight hours in a quarter inch of refried beans....they tend to get a bit slick

wearing them in the city though...not to shabby

on another note the durability is indeed crap I had to have gone through five pairs in the three years I worked there. an amount of time that only cost me one pair of boots and one pair of converse :loon:

a question for you survival folks out there :

I have a pair of nice side-zip duty-boots that are gore tex lined and feel like tennis shos...I mean REALLY perfect fit ...not so durable though ..prolly got another year in em at the most , they are very stealthy though, easy and fast to put on and warm

I also have a pair of Vietnam jungle boots . kinda clunky and heavy
less comfortable not as stealthy and definitely not warm .

my question being: which pair do you think I should have in my I.N.C.H. kit?

the durable and clunky combat boots or the stealthy but soon worn to death duty boot?

I am stuck
and if you think this is a silly thing to get stuck on ...welcome to the world of obsessive compulsive survival preparation! :x

[Satariel]

Are you planning on surviving for longer than a year ? If so, take the big sturdy clunky boots. Forget comfortable, they will become obsolete sooner than you think because you'll probably use them much more than you ever have. And you'll just end up with way colder feet when your boots will be full of holes.

[kiltedninja]

I'd get a pair of boots that are both durable and 'stealthy' as you call them. Once I stop growing I'm going to get something like these

http://www.danner.com/product/boots/explorer+mens-womens+hiking+boots.do

I wanna get some of these for right now though

http://www.converse.com/#/products/shoes/allshoes/112487

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you can't walk/run/jog long distances in them, don't wear them. You don't want foot cramps and blisters to ruin your day when there are zombies close. Wear the ones that are more comfortable and just grab some while raiding or if you find a dead one with nice boots.

[kiltedninja]

If you can't walk/run/jog long distances in them, don't wear them. You don't want foot cramps and blisters to ruin your day when there are zombies close. Wear the ones that are more comfortable and just grab some while raiding or if you find a dead one with nice boots.

Man, the callouses on my feet from Muay Thai are so thick that I can put out a cigarette on them and not feel anything from it. I'm not worried about blisters.

[unnamedbaby77]

Man, the callouses on my feet from Muay Thai are so thick that I can put out a cigarette on them and not feel anything from it. I'm not worried about blisters.


I know what you mean and have done more than my fair share of body hardening but try jogging ten miles in a pair of boots that rub wrong...it can wear to the bone.

[kiltedninja]

That's just a stupid idea.

[homelitexl]

i love my nazi boots there the best set i ever got

[Rocketman005]

After day 10, I probably won't get out of the vehicle if I am in a city without wearing this...
http://radshield.com/pdf/Demeromn%20W%20flyer.jpg

[kiltedninja]

I'm going to wear a pair of Carhartt double kneed dungarees for my pants of choice, I'll have to soften up the fabric a little, that shit would rub my knees raw if I were to wear them while running around while they're new. They're tough as hell though, and pretty cool looking, and I full range of movement in them.

[JimiVengeance]

i would go with my normal clothes.not all too safe but i dont want any extra weight or anything that will cause fatigue or anything like that :drinking:

[kiltedninja]

I'm probably rockin some Carhartt jeans, my Adidas Samba Classics, a thermal or two, my fleece and a BDU blouse, my keffiyeh, and a beanie.

[Dark Gale]

Well my ideal would be the Trojan suit:
http://christianburns.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/0702_1.JPG

But in reality, I would probably be wearing some hiking boots, Long sleeved shirt, my flanel jacket, and jeans. I've never had the chance to really be the outdoors type of guy, so I don't have much better than that to wear. I don't even own hiking boots are the moment, actually.

[bruceleekickedchucksass]

hiking boots are comfortable

[weirdenator]

i had hiking boots but they broke:roll:

the protection i would wear if i could have anything would be an ultralight sharkbitesuit(by ultralight i mean weighs nothing)

[mattifikation]

Well my ideal would be the Trojan suit:
http://christianburns.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/0702_1.JPG

But in reality, I would probably be wearing some hiking boots, Long sleeved shirt, my flanel jacket, and jeans. I've never had the chance to really be the outdoors type of guy, so I don't have much better than that to wear. I don't even own hiking boots are the moment, actually.

The guy who built that had his life ruined by it. His wife left him, the military laughed at him, he went deep into bankruptcy, and despite the novelty of the thing he has been unable to sell so much as a single suit.

The reason for that is because it's downright ridiculous and everyone knows it.

[Dark Gale]

The guy who built that had his life ruined by it. His wife left him, the military laughed at him, he went deep into bankruptcy, and despite the novelty of the thing he has been unable to sell so much as a single suit.

The reason for that is because it's downright ridiculous and everyone knows it.
$150,000 was what it took to design and build a single suit.

The Trojan allows the wearer to drive vehicles, run full-tilt, climb stairs and conduct dive roll manoeuvers. The Trojan weighs a mere 30 pounds without the Trojan shield. The Trojan incorporates 16 different electronic functions and prototypes impregnated into its exoskeleton. Some of the Trojans key features are a laser tracking system, 5 L.E.D. light spectrums, a voice recorder, a voice activated pedometer, a digital electronic compass, built in compartments for salt tablets and morphine pills, a digital thermometer, a built in intake cooling fan which runs on solar power, a throwing and knife, a medical emergency light transponder and much more.

The level three light/hard shadow armor being sold with the Trojan suit is capable of stopping cold repeated fire at point blank range all handguns, shotguns, grenade shrapnel and pipe bomb shrapnel. Also knife proof. Trojan exoskeleton made from high impact plastic. The armor has been tested against 12 gauge pump shotgun with 1.5 oz sabat slug at 4.5 ft, and a 9mm, a 357 mag, and a magnum 44 handgun @ 6 ft ***ALL USING THE SAME 12″x12″, 26 oz, .25″ THICK, MOULDABLE SAMPLE***.

Another unique feature of the suit – a first of its kind in the world–is a left and right hip magnetic holster system for twin 9 mm handguns.

[mattifikation]

Nice commercial. It's still a piece of junk.

"The Trojan weighs a mere 30 pounds..." :lol::lol:

I guess that's fine, if you don't bring any gear with you. Did you know that most hikers, mountain climbers, and soldiers will fork over hundreds of dollars if they have it to shed fractions of pounds?

Most of those gadgets are worthless. A pedometer? For what, calculating how many calories you've burned lugging the stupid suit around? A voice recorder? A magnetic holster system? 5 spectrum blinky-lights? What the hell for? A laser tracking system? What does it track? I bet it just points at whatever your head is pointing at, making sure you stay nice and illuminated at night.

It lets you drive? Big deal. I can drive in handcuffs. That doesn't tell me much. It lets you run full tilt... for how long? With that extra 30 pounds, I bet it cuts the length of time and the distance that you can cover in half. Hell, I can run full tilt while carrying a 20" CRT TV set... for about half a minute. Climb stairs? God, I'd hate to spend all day climbing stairs with an extra 30 pounds of gear on, in addition to whatever other gear I'm carrying.

I really love this bit: It lets you dive roll? Great for gymnastics class, I guess... but how much does it slow you down when you're trying to go from walking to a prone shooting position? How much longer does it take to stand the hell back up so you can take up a new position? I'm guessing you lose at least 1 second either way. 1 second is plenty of time for a rifle round (which it doesn't even *claim* to protect against) to put a hole in your chest. And I bet if you try to belly crawl through mud in that thing, you'll just flat out get *STUCK.*

But I suppose the built in compartments for morphine pills and salt tablets are a good thing. I suppose 150 grand is well worth the cost in order to get pockets... :x

[Vorpal]

Based on the picture of the Trojan Suit, it seems to have flaws. The weak spots appear to be the hands, knees, and hips.

It's made of plastic? How would it do against a flame thrower? I guess that digital thermometer will come in handy. It'll let that person know when s/he's done. *ding*

ETA: I should add that while it may not be bad for short encounters with small groups of zombies, one shouldn't feel completely secure in one of those. I can see a mob of zombies eventually shredding it. The hands will be the most vulnerable against them.

[Bob]

It would be good for room / store clearing where you only wear it for a short while.
It needs a built in weapons system and a powered exoskeleton.

[mattifikation]

Why not just stick rifle plates in a storm trooper costume?

[kiltedninja]

So what happens when someone gets up close with a knife? Does that trojan suit allow for speed of movement?

[CAVU45]

$150,000 was what it took to design and build a single suit.

The Trojan allows the wearer to drive vehicles, run full-tilt, climb stairs and conduct dive roll manoeuvers. The Trojan weighs a mere 30 pounds without the Trojan shield. The Trojan incorporates 16 different electronic functions and prototypes impregnated into its exoskeleton. Some of the Trojans key features are a laser tracking system, 5 L.E.D. light spectrums, a voice recorder, a voice activated pedometer, a digital electronic compass, built in compartments for salt tablets and morphine pills, a digital thermometer, a built in intake cooling fan which runs on solar power, a throwing and knife, a medical emergency light transponder and much more.

The level three light/hard shadow armor being sold with the Trojan suit is capable of stopping cold repeated fire at point blank range all handguns, shotguns, grenade shrapnel and pipe bomb shrapnel. Also knife proof. Trojan exoskeleton made from high impact plastic. The armor has been tested against 12 gauge pump shotgun with 1.5 oz sabat slug at 4.5 ft, and a 9mm, a 357 mag, and a magnum 44 handgun @ 6 ft ***ALL USING THE SAME 12″x12″, 26 oz, .25″ THICK, MOULDABLE SAMPLE***.

Another unique feature of the suit – a first of its kind in the world–is a left and right hip magnetic holster system for twin 9 mm handguns.

It's still a piece of shit. It isn't anything "proof". Just from the pictures alone I guaranteee I can secure that fvckers heartbeat in a split second with a variety of weapons. I saw a video of that joker "modeling" his suit outside his home. It was funny as hell! Even his neighbors were laughing at him.

[Bladehunter]

i would wear something like ash would from evil dead, nothing fancy, but I'd wear something light, and something that let's me hold the majority of my weapons.

[unnamedbaby77]

It's still a piece of shit. It isn't anything "proof". Just from the pictures alone I guaranteee I can secure that fvckers heartbeat in a split second with a variety of weapons. I saw a video of that joker "modeling" his suit outside his home. It was funny as hell! Even his neighbors were laughing at him.
Agreed!

to much Halo is a dangerous thing .....

[Dark Gale]

It doesn't make you invincible, obviously, but it but it will help. The point wasn't to wear it all day long while carrying the rest of your gear as well. You're not going to be walking down the street looking like Robocop with the 30 pound suit and another 30 pounds on your back, that would be agonizing. Going to head down the street for some supplies? Go ahead, put it on and leave all the rest that you don't need back at your normal base. Some of the actual things in it are un-needed, but it wasn't designed to be used against Zombies, it was supposed to be used at a Police/Military suit.

Also, of course it's not going to stand up against a flamethrower.

It may not be extremely practical, and it does look like a joke, but it still isn't completely useless.

[mattifikation]

No, you don't understand what I'm asking.

I literally want to know what makes that piece of shit better than putting rifle plates in a storm trooper costume.

[CAVU45]

It doesn't make you invincible, obviously, but it but it will help. The point wasn't to wear it all day long while carrying the rest of your gear as well. You're not going to be walking down the street looking like Robocop with the 30 pound suit and another 30 pounds on your back, that would be agonizing. Going to head down the street for some supplies? Go ahead, put it on and leave all the rest that you don't need back at your normal base. Some of the actual things in it are un-needed, but it wasn't designed to be used against Zombies, it was supposed to be used at a Police/Military suit.

Also, of course it's not going to stand up against a flamethrower.

It may not be extremely practical, and it does look like a joke, but it still isn't completely useless.

I have to disagree. I think it is completely useless. The thing itself weighs 30-40 pounds. Add the equipment normally carried (weapons, ammo, tools) for even a day outing and you've racked up a considerable amount of weight. That'll simply tire you out faster and make it harder to move quickly if needed.

[unnamedbaby77]

and yet again it provides no REAL protection from zombies or bullets....unless ten( or a hundred) people cant rip through it in a few seconds bare handed for some reason I have missed...I think honestly that the red bear suit was more usefull.....unless you are on battlestar galactica that is ...

[Dark Gale]

and yet again it provides no REAL protection from zombies or bullets....unless ten( or a hundred) people cant rip through it in a few seconds bare handed for some reason I have missed...I think honestly that the red bear suit was more usefull.....unless you are on battlestar galactica that is ...

I'd rather not wear a suit that looks like it was made to fit The Juggernaut

[mattifikation]

But you're okay with wearing a suit that makes it look like you thought Robocop was a porno?

[Dark Gale]

But you're okay with wearing a suit that makes it look like you thought Robocop was a porno?

It's certainly less bulky. I've seen videos of the Ursus Bear suit, you basically just waddle around from what I've seen.

[mattifikation]

I'd trust the bear suit against a bear before I'd trust the dumb robot costume in anything other than a comic book convention.

[unnamedbaby77]

I would trust the bear suit against a truck...if it had a mattress tied to the grill....

[mattifikation]

I would trust the mattress on the truck before I'd trust the Trojan suit.

Why does he call it the "Trojan" suit, anyways? You're not sneaking into anything with that beast on, and you sure as shit aren't getting laid...

[unnamedbaby77]

come on man robot suits turn chicks on big time !......dont they???

[mattifikation]

Hah. Maybe this girl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=091ugdiojEM

Oh... wait... um... just for the sake of asking, where would somebody sign up to get one of those Trojan suits if they ever hit mass production?

[Sammo909]

That depends, am I looking for an overly-expensive costume for the villain in the science fiction movie I'm filming?

[mattifikation]

I'm not sure what you mean....

http://goodbadfrench.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/mr-freeze.jpg

[kiltedninja]

Do you think a kick in the balls would still hurt him in his trojan suit?

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

lol i want a full suit of knights armor

[kiltedninja]

I'm looking at something light enough that I can move, but heavy enough that I can stay warm and relatively weather proof. My hiking boots and carhartt jeans(the double front type), a few shirts, a sweater and my rain shell. I predict the weather and nature will do more damage to me than zombies without the proper precautions.

[angekfire]

lol i want a full suit of knights armor

So do I. There are pros and cons though.

It is heavy. Very heavy. You aren't going to be able to run very well if you need to.

It also greatly limits flexibility. You probably aren't going to be able to raise your arms above your shoulders, as an example. It is very restrictive.

It will also decrease your vision. The helmet limits your field of vision and will probably dampen sound as well, so you may not even hear that zed behind you.

Also, it gets HOT. You'll need a lot of water to stay hydrated, and you'll need to learn to breathe in it, because ventilation isn't exactly great either.

On the other hand, a zed is gunna have a hard time getting through it to you.

[mattifikation]

Here's something that I really, really hope a few of the female survivors will consider. Yes, it's a tactical corset.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/mattifikation/corset.png

There's also a video of it here:

http://vimeo.com/4469497

[Redneck]

I wonder if zombies can get hard on?

[Bob]

It probably rots off.
Just one more reason not to become one.

[homelitexl]

aint tupperware supposed 2 be tough lets make armor out of it

[zombabe]

That corset is ridiculous!!! :lol:

Thats a good idea. Do you think tupperware could sustain through a bite? If so if it could be worn under clothes like a bulletproof vest only everywhere, I see the bodys joints being exposed though.

[weirdenator]

Here's something that I really, really hope a few of the female survivors will consider. Yes, it's a tactical corset.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/mattifikation/corset.png

There's also a video of it here:

http://vimeo.com/4469497

that looks like something jill in resident evil (the movies) would wear

[mattifikation]

That corset is ridiculous!!! :lol:

Thats a good idea. Do you think tupperware could sustain through a bite? If so if it could be worn under clothes like a bulletproof vest only everywhere, I see the bodys joints being exposed though.

But it's bulletproof. And it's hot. Sometimes survival means convincing everyone else to fight for you...

[MorganaLeFaye]

Here's something that I really, really hope a few of the female survivors will consider. Yes, it's a tactical corset.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/mattifikation/corset.png

There's also a video of it here:

http://vimeo.com/4469497

HTH is that protection? All that exposed flesh to be bitten and clawed ? hell no !

[Redneck]

It probably rots off.
Just one more reason not to become one.

One more reason to save the last round for yourself.:x

[Onslaught]

That corset is ridiculous!!! :lol:

Thats a good idea. Do you think tupperware could sustain through a bite? If so if it could be worn under clothes like a bulletproof vest only everywhere, I see the bodys joints being exposed though.

The joints are going to be somewhat exposed with most armor.
When talking about armor, you always have to balance protection with mobility.

"This bear suit is great, but i'm moving slower than a legless zombie."

"This thong is great, but I'm missing two fingers and have three bites on my right arm."

The first thing to think about is what you are defending against.
In this case it's zombies. So we don't need to be worried about them shooting us (raiders are another matter), or really attacking with any sort of ranged attacks at all. Most zombie cannon rules out the use of tools, so we don't need to be worried about bludgeoning or stabbing.

The primary threats from a zombie are it's hands and it's teeth.
If we're talking about armor then we're primarily concerned about the teeth. Tupperware or other household plastics should hold up pretty well to bites given that you don't let the thing gnaw on you for an extended period. Also, these armored plates should only be necessary in areas considered 'high risk'. Areas like the hands, forearms, elbows, knees, calves, and shins. These body parts are the ones that you would most likely use to fend off a zombie at close range, and therefore the parts that would be most prone to being bitten.

Armor against bites doesn't need to be total coverage, with reenforced/protected joints, and impervious to N/B/C/Flaming kittens. It just has to stop a zombie from biting the part of your body that you use to defend yourself. You aren't going to wade into a horde of zombies in a bipedal tank.

I personally advocate a system much like the sleeve used by attack dog trainers. An armored gauntlet/vambrace on the non dominant arm that can be used as a sort of shield to buy you time to use your dominant hand for offence. Draw their attention to the armored portion and let them waste their time trying to breech it, while you ready your own attack.

[mattifikation]

HTH is that protection? All that exposed flesh to be bitten and clawed ? hell no !

That's a bad thing? Oh wait, yeah. I guess it is.

[Bob]

Is it a perspective thing or does that girl have a huge head?

[mattifikation]

Until you mentioned something, I didn't notice she had a head.

[zombabe]

The joints are going to be somewhat exposed with most armor.
When talking about armor, you always have to balance protection with mobility.

"This bear suit is great, but i'm moving slower than a legless zombie."

"This thong is great, but I'm missing two fingers and have three bites on my right arm."

The first thing to think about is what you are defending against.
In this case it's zombies. So we don't need to be worried about them shooting us (raiders are another matter), or really attacking with any sort of ranged attacks at all. Most zombie cannon rules out the use of tools, so we don't need to be worried about bludgeoning or stabbing.

The primary threats from a zombie are it's hands and it's teeth.
If we're talking about armor then we're primarily concerned about the teeth. Tupperware or other household plastics should hold up pretty well to bites given that you don't let the thing gnaw on you for an extended period. Also, these armored plates should only be necessary in areas considered 'high risk'. Areas like the hands, forearms, elbows, knees, calves, and shins. These body parts are the ones that you would most likely use to fend off a zombie at close range, and therefore the parts that would be most prone to being bitten.

Armor against bites doesn't need to be total coverage, with reenforced/protected joints, and impervious to N/B/C/Flaming kittens. It just has to stop a zombie from biting the part of your body that you use to defend yourself. You aren't going to wade into a horde of zombies in a bipedal tank.

I personally advocate a system much like the sleeve used by attack dog trainers. An armored gauntlet/vambrace on the non dominant arm that can be used as a sort of shield to buy you time to use your dominant hand for offence. Draw their attention to the armored portion and let them waste their time trying to breech it, while you ready your own attack.

hmm interesting. I like the attack dog trainer sleeve idea, but Im afraid I wouldn't be able to pull that off. It could get tricky if it was too heavy, atleast for me cuz Im not all buff and what not.

If what you say is true than homelitexl's tupperware idea is a pretty feasible solution. you could probably fashion it together with a hole punch and zip ties.

[Redneck]

Or duct tape :lol:

[kiltedninja]

Electrical tape flexes a little better.

[Onslaught]

hmm interesting. I like the attack dog trainer sleeve idea, but Im afraid I wouldn't be able to pull that off. It could get tricky if it was too heavy, atleast for me cuz Im not all buff and what not.

If what you say is true than homelitexl's tupperware idea is a pretty feasible solution. you could probably fashion it together with a hole punch and zip ties.

It shouldn't be that heavy, not like a real dog sleeve. I'm a big fan of lightweight gear. It'd just be a few bite resistant plates over some breathable-ish padding.

[homelitexl]

sweet my idea was a good one tupperware for the win

[kiltedninja]

You could use tupperware, zipties, and electrical tape to fashion some type of scale-mail.

[unnamedbaby77]

I think sheet kydex would be a good thing to make lightweight armor..its super tough and can be formed to almost any shape with a hair dryer or any other heat source ..I have actually made sheaths out of it with just a bic lighter .

[ryanrydell]

I was just watching NFL Network gearing up for todays showdowns and saw this:

http://www.exo-pro.com

it seems a great system against bites and cold weather. I may get some just for taking the garbage out in winter. BUUURRR!:oops:

[zombabe]

I think sheet kydex would be a good thing to make lightweight armor..its super tough and can be formed to almost any shape with a hair dryer or any other heat source ..I have actually made sheaths out of it with just a bic lighter .

thats pretty neat, but how easily attainable is it? ...I guess thats why preparation is key. :)

[unnamedbaby77]

Indeed preperation is key, but its not hard to get...almost anything is availible online...its pretty cheap stuff too.

[kiltedninja]

I dunno, armor just doesn't seem necessary to me.

[zombabe]

I dunno, armor just doesn't seem necessary to me.

ninjas don't need armor, everyone knows that! :)

[homelitexl]

no but i need armor

[unnamedbaby77]

I dunno, armor just doesn't seem necessary to me.

It will when you are scuffling with someone who is trying to cut you up or bite pieces of off of you...

[CAVU45]

It will when you are scuffling with someone who is trying to cut you up or bite pieces of off of you...

I'm reminded of the scene in Indiana Jones where the sword wielding arab charges Harrison Ford. Ford simply shot him. 'Nuff said...

[mattifikation]

And when that fails, there's usually an airplane propeller around to deal with things for you.

[unnamedbaby77]

I'm reminded of the scene in Indiana Jones where the sword wielding arab charges Harrison Ford. Ford simply shot him. 'Nuff said...

There was actually a big fight scheduled for that scene....but Ford had a stomach problem hat day ...so he improved what has become one of the greatest and most beloved scenes of that character..

he also stapled his hat to his head because it kept flying off whilst riding the horse ...mans man...

[zombabe]

I don't know...if a zombie was to get close enough to me to where I need armor, Im probably already screwed.

[unnamedbaby77]

I think a Zed would prolly be eisier to handle hand to hand than a regular untrained person ....I think

[Dark Gale]

I think a Zed would prolly be eisier to handle hand to hand than a regular untrained person ....I think

Well possibly. I mean, a real person would have better reflexes and reaction time, and would actually fight back more than just trying to bite you. (Although I don't know, I've dealt with a few biters before..)

[zombabe]

haha Ive never been in an actual fight before, but I think if I did I would be dirty and bite everything! You see I have no fighting skills. With zombies where you find one there is usually more and I may be able to take one...but not two.

[ZackWelder]

Chain mail is a joke! No average person could stand wearing 'real' chain mail for very long. Unless a person has super human stamina and is hyper conditioned with weight training, I would not suggest wearing Chain Mail unless being slow and more clumsy helps keep zombies away.

What's important is protecting places that are easy to bite, like the neck, arms and legs. Sewing and material shops will most likely carry leather by the yard for about $10 USD.

Get someone with stitching or sewing skills to make up some leather neck guards and forearm and lower leg pads. Tight fitting leather gloves will protect from a biter unless the teeth are like razor sharpened!

[unnamedbaby77]

I have a chain-mail butchers glove..my brother has full sleeves...its not as heavy as you seem to think..the people that wore it way back when weren't "super human stamina and or hyper conditioned"...its just simply not that heavy...

it is heavy and tiring..but no more so than any other combat load out (though I wouldn't wanna add any to my already weighty setup

[CAVU45]

I have a chain-mail butchers glove..my brother has full sleeves...its not as heavy as you seem to think..the people that wore it way back when weren't "super human stamina and or hyper conditioned"...its just simply not that heavy...

it is heavy and tiring..but no more so than any other combat load out (though I wouldn't wanna add any to my already weighty setup

What does a "combat loadout" weigh (approximate) and what does it consist of?

[unnamedbaby77]

I am talking rifle, sidearm,spare mags, knife, water, multi tool, flashlight, body armor knee-elbow pads, survival kit, and whatever specialist equipment or tools a soldier(of any sort) may want/need to carry....

As for weight it should never pass 60-65 LBS in my opinion but I prefer to carry about 35-40(my current setup is around 50-55)

hows about you ?

[CAVU45]

I am talking rifle, sidearm,spare mags, knife, water, multi tool, flashlight, body armor knee-elbow pads, survival kit, and whatever specialist equipment or tools a soldier(of any sort) may want/need to carry....

As for weight it should never pass 60-65 LBS in my opinion but I prefer to carry about 35-40(my current setup is around 50-55)

hows about you ?

Body armor and ammunition alone can go 60 pounds. That's based on the Interceptor body armor with SAPI and a double basic load. Add weapons, sustanance, and misc. and the average load is around 75 pounds.

[unnamedbaby77]

Damn !

I am doing pretty good then! I have to weigh my gear with pack now to make sure it has not gotten that heavy since I weighed it last....

I doubt I will ever own a vest that heavy (even my ammo vest when fully loaded does not weigh that much) and I only carry between 50 and 75 shells for each caliber though ..I need some frag grenades :cry:

[CAVU45]

Damn !

I am doing pretty good then! I have to weigh my gear with pack now to make sure it has not gotten that heavy since I weighed it last....

I doubt I will ever own a vest that heavy (even my ammo vest when fully loaded does not weigh that much) and I only carry between 50 and 75 shells for each caliber though ..I need some frag grenades :cry:

Only 50-75 cartridges? That's not nearly enough for a combat load. At hte very least a regular combat load should be carried. Now without the Interceptor armor and SAPI more of everything else could be carried, especially ammunition. I have a double basic load for both my M4 and 1911 on my Ranger vest. A Camelback is attached to the back

[unnamedbaby77]

Agreed
! but consider that there are five calibers so I have quite a bit of extra ammo besides whats already loaded(BTW the shotgun only get 22-30 extra shells at once)

BTW CAV is your extra ammo carry ammo or bulk ammo?(I am amazed when folks can afford TONS of carry ammo)

[CAVU45]

Agreed
! but consider that there are five calibers so I have quite a bit of extra ammo besides whats already loaded(BTW the shotgun only get 22-30 extra shells at once)

BTW CAV is your extra ammo carry ammo or bulk ammo?(I am amazed when folks can afford TONS of carry ammo)

Why so many calibers? Is there really a need for so many? All mine is in magazines. Two calibers. Now not all my ammo is loaded up. Much is stored loose in cans. But for my primary battle weapons (M4 and 1911) it's all loaded up.

[unnamedbaby77]

I have a 40S&W for carry , a 30-30 for my "assault rifle " (for lack of a better term)

a 22 for survival

a 12ga for shotgunning :)

ad a 7.62x54 for sniping...

I don't carry all of them at once but the tactical vest(which holds the 12ga 40 and 22) has room for all the types of ammo so I keep it stocked up in case.

Also keep in mind I am rather poor so it takes me a LOT of time to put together any gear or I don't make(which makes being a survival nut hard as all hell) that's why I have no rifle better/faster/higher capacity than a lever action .

[ZackWelder]

As a backpacker, every since ounce counts, especially if you are constantly on the move. If you are prepared to be moving up and down rough terrain, ambling over wreckage or steep slopes for hours or even days at a time and still have the stamina to outfight and outrun dozens, possible hundreds of attackers at once, then I admire you.

In practical use, the weight will have a much more profound than when you slip it on for minutes at a time at home because it looks f*ckin' awesome.

A glove I can see as brilliant. A body suit would be far too much. I've known outdoorsmen and backpackers who cut the flippin' nylon straps off their backpacks to save weight.

[SWAT Zombie]

It seems to me that decent leather coverings for your arms and legs might be the best option. Maybe something to cover the torso if you can manage or maybe some kevlar to protect against raiders. Neck protection might be a good idea but I'd just want to be sure it doen't hamper movement or breathing too much. Does anyone know of decent gloves that provide protection but don't get in the way of using your hands too much?

[ZackWelder]

If you want to maintain as much dexterity as possible, really high quality full-finger mechanic gloves are one option. Mechanic gloves are designed to protect your fingers while minimizing loss of dexterity; they are usually almost perfect fitting on your fingers. Depending on the material, the gloves /*may*/ be able to stop a bite from breaking skin, which is primarily what you would wanted.

I've never worn a chain mail glove while shooting a gun, so I can't comment on that.

Mechanic gloves should let you fire a gun with no issues. They can be found in hardware stores or Walmart.

[unnamedbaby77]

look into Oakley tactical gloves and blackhawk tactical gloves

[CAVU45]

The tactical gloves with the hard knuckles work amazingly well.

[zbuddy]

The tactical gloves with the hard knuckles work amazingly well.

Were you issued those? I got mech gloves :X

[CAVU45]

Nope. Had to buy them myself. Issue was nomex flight gloves. This was awhile back. The tac gloves may be an issue item now the way the Army has started buying off the shelf.

[kiltedninja]

http://www.botachtactical.com/wicacoasgl.html

they gave my dad something similar to these. He tore them and had to buy a new pair, but this is what he had when he was on mid-tour leave in October.

http://www.botachtactical.com/widutagl.html

These are the ones I'm looking at getting, they're a bit cheaper and guard the lower knuckles as well, which I've cut before.

I'm not sure what they give Marines for gloves now, my uncle never really showed us much of his stuff when he got back in November. Then again he wasn't a combat unit, so they probably gave him mechanic gloves.

[CAVU45]

http://www.botachtactical.com/wicacoasgl.html

they gave my dad something similar to these. He tore them and had to buy a new pair, but this is what he had when he was on mid-tour leave in October.

http://www.botachtactical.com/widutagl.html

These are the ones I'm looking at getting, they're a bit cheaper and guard the lower knuckles as well, which I've cut before.

I'm not sure what they give Marines for gloves now, my uncle never really showed us much of his stuff when he got back in November. Then again he wasn't a combat unit, so they probably gave him mechanic gloves.

They Wileys aren't as durable as the Oakleys.

[kiltedninja]

I'll look into the Oakley's then. I've already got harder than usual knuckles from 6 years of pounding them into stuff, but my skin is soft, and I don't wanna get cut when I don't have to.

Found: http://www.oakley.com/catalog/products/factory-pilot-glove-w-leather-palm

[zbuddy]

I'll look into the Oakley's then. I've already got harder than usual knuckles from 6 years of pounding them into stuff, but my skin is soft, and I don't wanna get cut when I don't have to.

Found: http://www.oakley.com/catalog/products/factory-pilot-glove-w-leather-palm

Smart idea. Infection is a problem, not girly knuckles over there. The more protective equipment you can get a hold of the better. Never take your gear off because it is hot etc. I have seen dudes who get all complacent get some shrapnel to the abdomen/limbs from VBIEDs that could have easily been prevented via their issued protective equipment. When are you being deployed? Cav is probably a far better dude to seek knowledge from.

[CAVU45]

They Wileys aren't as durable as the Oakleys.

Look into the Hatch Operator and Reactor gloves also. I used hatch gloves for years and know they'll stand up to alot of abuse. There's also the Blackhawk line.

[Sammo909]

I tried to look around locally, while you can get work gloves reinforced along the fingers & knuckles I was actually hoping to get the ones weighted with pouches of shot along the knuckles. Guess what else is illegal in Australia.

[unnamedbaby77]

I would rather have hardened super-plastic knuckles than lead shot .....but that's me...

[mattifikation]

If anyone tries to do to America what happened to Australia regarding the legality of weapons, I hope a few hundred people decide to get together and beat down some senators with sticks and rocks.

Hopefully when they start campaigning to ban sticks and rocks, people will start waking up in this country.

[unnamedbaby77]

"Stick and stones may break my bones but your laws are gonna kill me"

[kiltedninja]

Man, I've got two rattan sticks waiting if they try to outlaw our guns.

@Zbuddy, I haven't enlisted yet. My dad's orders for me are to wait until he gets back from Iraq to sign anything.

[unnamedbaby77]

Smart man ..no need to rush things..the Marines arent going anywhere

as for taking guns away :

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CvbECLZy9Mk/SedSnMu-g_I/AAAAAAAAAO8/rNhLyQvd8eA/s400/Obama%2B-%2BGuns%2B-%2Bnow%2Byou%2Bcan%2Bhave%2Bit.jpg

[ZackWelder]

Awesome pic above.

I'm unsure about the other states, but in CA, gloves with any sort of reinforcement around the knuckles is outlawed. Be it plastic or metal shot; illegal to sell, buy and own.

Guns have not been outlawed in Australia. There seems to be massive, wide-spread miscommunication as to what transpired here considering guns. When Australia 'outlawed' guns, they were actually condemning the ownership on certain types of guns, mostly the likes of automatic assault rifles.

Gun ownership in Australia simply requires a permit for ownership and purchase. Importing a gun only requires that permit and an importation form. All these forms are readily available to the public for download on state police websites.

Aussie citizens can own shotguns, rifles, handguns, airguns and slingshots only if they have such permit. Gaining a permit is EASY. TWO steps in Australia.

Step1 : Join a gun club. There's one a couple miles from where I live.
Being a member of a registered Gun Club qualifies you as a SPORTSMAN, and the GOVERNMENT will grant you a permit to own firearms.
Step2 : Apply for gun permit. Your permit WILL be accepted, considering that your record is without serious felony.

**To purchase guns, however, one MUST have a certified gun cabinet to store EACH specific type of firearm and locks for each firearm. Strict documentation must be presented at the time of application for purchase.

This urban myths comes from fear and lack of familiarity with law.
People think aussies have lost guns. No, the government has simply made the processing of obtaining and owning a firearm much more long-winded and inconvenient.

Also a problem is the fact that because of the stigma placed on Australia concerning firearms and law, it is difficult to find shops with wide selection (or any selection at all).

Sportsmen, hunters and farmers can still get their guns.
Black markets will still distribute said guns to thugs, gangs, and the darker shades of society.

Lesson learned? The bad guys still have guns. Average citizens are mugged and burglared at higher rates than before.

Did strict gun-control laws fix the problem? To a degree, yes and no.

[Bob]

Sounds like a drag to me.
I go to my local gun shop, plunk down my money and ccw card and leave with my gun.
I feel put upon and restricted by our government due to their draconian regulations regarding automatic knives and full auto firearms.
There are also some stupid laws too like no vertical fore grips on pistols.

[unnamedbaby77]

AMEN!, and I cant cut down my shotgun smaller than 18 inches REALLY?

[Sammo909]

Stuff Zackwelder said

Additional: While pistol crossbows were outlawed (yet we still have pistols, go figure) their full-size cousins can be owned legally outside of N.S.W. Or they may be allowed here too, I've heard conflicting arguments.

And while it is not illegal to own or make a butterfly knife it is illegal to sell one of those or an automatic (flick) knife yet I've seen spring-loaded tradesman's knives. And then I go to another website and it says something different. God, I don't even know what my own effing laws are!

[Bob]

Huck

Yup it sucks mud and it's not just the 18" barrel length shotguns must be at least 26" overall.
Thats why all the short doubles have 20" barrels.
How long did you have to leave your barrel to meet that requirement?

[Hunk]

Additional: While pistol crossbows were outlawed (yet we still have pistols, go figure) their full-size cousins can be owned legally outside of N.S.W. Or they may be allowed here too, I've heard conflicting arguments.

And while it is not illegal to own or make a butterfly knife it is illegal to sell one of those or an automatic (flick) knife yet I've seen spring-loaded tradesman's knives. And then I go to another website and it says something different. God, I don't even know what my own effing laws are!

depends where you Are

[unnamedbaby77]

Huck

Yup it sucks mud and it's not just the 18" barrel length shotguns must be at least 26" overall.
Thats why all the short doubles have 20" barrels.
How long did you have to leave your barrel to meet that requirement?

I think its sitting at around 30-33''....I could be wrong though it was out of commission for a year or so after I chopped it(don't ask) so I forgot what I chopped the barrel down to as well ...

the whole" short barreled rifle" thing drives me nuts as well...GRRRR

[CAVU45]

I think its sitting at around 30-33''....I could be wrong though it was out of commission for a year or so after I chopped it(don't ask) so I forgot what I chopped the barrel down to as well ...

the whole" short barreled rifle" thing drives me nuts as well...GRRRR

So you're basically showing pics of what could be an illegal firearm, a federal felony. :doh:

[unnamedbaby77]

NO NO NO . I am 100% sure I cut it legal..I just dont remember the EXACT measurement as it was over a year ago when I measured and cut it ...

Even if it was, how would you know I didn't get the tax stamp to make it legal?(I didn' do so but it IS legal length for sure)

[kiltedninja]

So, I'm curious about something. What EXACTLY Are we protecting our bodies from? Elements? Zombies? Bullets? There's quite a bit that changes from one thing to another. If it's just the elements, then my everyday wear will do. If I'm protecting myself from zombies...well I'll figure something out. Bullets? How about I just not get shot at.

[zbuddy]

Kilted Ninja, I would assume everything you said. I am starting to think a leather motor cycle jacket, with some nice gloves, would be the best bet. As for shoes, probably boots of some sort. I myself would prefer the lightweight jungle type boots. Anything heavier than that would be irritating and would probably make too much noise. I have been in some pretty wet conditions with those boots on, and my feet always managed to stay relatively dry, I did have an ample supply of socks, however. Maybe a hat of some sort?

[ZackWelder]

And while it is not illegal to own or make a butterfly knife it is illegal to sell one of those or an automatic (flick) knife yet I've seen spring-loaded tradesman's knives. And then I go to another website and it says something different. God, I don't even know what my own effing laws are!


I haven't checked the other Aussie states, but butterfly knives and spring assisted blades of any sort are restricted weapons and cannot be sold or purchased. This isn't to say shops don't still carry them. I've seen shops selling butterflies and sap gloves. Usually these shops get shut down.

I had to resort to building my own air rifles while in Australia. Sad? Very.