Anti-Zed Weapon of Choice

[IronJayBee]

We all know that the first thing to go for in that situation is any kind of firearm, but not all of us have easy access to one, so what would be the first thing you try to grab to fight with besides a gun. I own a survival kit to i would go for the machete and my hatchet thats in there, whats you guys's take?

[Bad Zombie Night]

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[AN OLD SHOE]

my knife and a baseball bat i guess...:roll:

[detpat]

81mm mortar

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Depends on where I am as to what I pick up. If I'm at home I'm going to run to the garage and get some kind of hammer or whatever I see fit first. I would say that I would more than likely run for something that I could just hit the zed with. I.E. baseball bat, hammer, tire iron, crowbar etc.

[stonyman65]

Luckily, I have access to guns. I would probobly use my 1911. Then, I would have no problem breaking into a gun store and taking an AR-15 or M1A and some ammo.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

the guns are locked up in my house. Even if they weren't it really wouldn't matter. The only gun experience I have ever had was pulling the trigger on a .22. Nothing at all to brag about, or give me any real gun knowledge. Kind of a shame, I wouldn't mind some practice. You never know when you might need it

[DarthJoe8]

Depends on where I am as to what I pick up. If I'm at home I'm going to run to the garage and get some kind of hammer or whatever I see fit first.


Ohhh, i hope I'm home when an outbreak starts. I do not want to be on the road when it goes down.:scare:

[Victor Clark]

My room has a sword, a butcher knife, a skull dagger and a miniature baseball bat inside, and my car has an aluminum baseball bat in the back seat and 2 hatchets in the trunk (along with some wrenches that can also be good bludgeons). Overall, I would be pretty well off weapon-wise if the undead ever came out to attack.

[veppman]

i would prolly go for any blunt weapon preferably one with a long reach cause when using a knife u have to get close to the zed and that risks u gettin bit and i would not want that to happen to me

[Zombreach]

The only thing in my house that would be useful is an aluminum baseball bat.

WAIT... I could go to the shed and get the chainsaw!! Watch out Ashe , the competition is here!! :lol:

My husband has lots of tools--nail guns, saws, etc... I'm sure I could find something to kick zombie butt with. At least I hope so. :cry: (But it would require me to go outside to get it.)

[Webber]

I have a crowbar and a flashlight in my room that I have every intention of using to find more weapons where ever I can, if I dont have a gun by that time.

[veppman]

what i would try to do is to find a temporary weapon until i can find a gun or take it from either a store or another person if that doesn't work than i would try to team up with someone who does have the things i need

[fester_hicks]

I have a big hammer for upclose and personal, a .22 for semi-close and .243 for longrange

[kai055]

i live in the uk, no guns so wat about air and c02 rifles and pistols

thoughts:loon:

[Darkness]

"We have an Index Thread now.......PLEASE USE IT! Thank you."

[surviveordie]

sling shot for sure, with some marbles, or a paintball gun with frozen paintballs, or good old fashioned torch and pitchfork

[bandits1]

I'd take the rig this guy has:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5314/m203gripiraq2007cv7.jpg
...M4 with M203 attachment, EOTech optic, tactical light = great.

[kai055]

i have found in the uk a bb minigun that fires 3000 rounds a minute

[Lian]

Weapon of choice huh. *Cracks Knuckles and leans back.* Well lez see.

For a zombie outbreak I'd figure the more ammo you could carry the better. And originally I got my Ruger Mark III for just some cheap target practice but since .22 rounds are small and cheap I could just stand at my front window and plug 300-400 zombies from ammo just in my pockets. It's not designed for stopping power by any means, and your target will either have to be close or you'll have to be a good shot to shoot your zombie in a soft spot in the skull for penetration.

Sticking with the .22 caliber I also have a Ruger 10/22 that I got initially again for target practice but I could also pull up a chair to the window and shoot through the cracks to drop a lot of zeds. However you also have to bear in mind that a .22 is a tiny caliber and people get shot by these things all the time and don't even realize it. However if you can get them to penetrate the skull the lack sufficient momentum to get back out of it so the bounces around inside the skull cavity liquefying the brain.

Moving on to the 9mm round there are many fine handguns for this caliber but I'm gonna bring up a often over looked 9mm carbine. Widely viewed as a home defense weapon I'd think it would be effective as just that in a zombie invasion. Just like the .22 you can stock up and chamber the same rounds as your handgun but the 9mm just has that little more pop to make it that much more effective, and 9mm rounds are still cheap as dirt. Some 9mm carbines even use glock pistol mags for the ultimate in interchangeability for a survival situation. Granted this in in Lieu to a submachine gun which us civilian aren't allowed to have. But on the plus side 9mm was and still is in some area's the standard issue for police officers making scavenging for ammo a possibility.

But, I really wouldn't suggest any of these weapons outside your base of operations, or unless your a tiny little thing.

Now staying with the concept of using the same ammo in your rifle as your handgun you can get them both in a .44 caliber which is lovely. Good stopping power and the freedom of interchangeability. The one problem is that while .44 isn't exactly hard to find it isn't "easy" either.

I know that there are .45 carbines around as well but I don't have much experience with them, though going that way would probably be smarter in the long run. Problem is I hear they are a bit on the pricey side, some are just flat out too heavy, some are made from space age polymers that will break if you sneeze at them. But if you can find one that's a nice size and weight, and can afford it by all means power to you.

Typical jump from here is to your .223 calibers. As diverse a subject as can be, and I'm not going to get into an AR-15, or M-16 type argument here cause you can find that anywhere if you really want to know, in fact I'm not really gonna get into .223 much at all cause I'm tired of typing here. .223 is a nice round though. I have a couple rifles this caliber and if zombies invade and I hit the road I'll probably be taking my .223 carbine on the road with me.

.308, same thing as .223 it's a wide diverse subject that I'm not getting into right now. Aside from a slight advantage in stopping power and range you can do just about anything with a .223 for less weight.

A word on Shotguns, Shotgun rounds are big and heavy. Sure they are perhaps the ultimate in CGB weapons. Yes they are good hunting weapons. Yes they are excellent at home defense. Yes I will most likely be taking one with me when I bug out, however it more than likely will not be my primary weapon. I could conceivably use it to defend myself against a large number of zeds if they break in. You can get all kinds of specialty rounds for your shotgun for a variety of different uses. All that said there is a spot in the truck for it, and as much ammo as I can carry. But if I find myself on foot I'm leaving the automatic shotty and taking the rifle. If I do take a shotty with me on foot I'm picturing sawn off, preferably breech load and a mix of slugs and buck shot, but by no means a lot of either.

[stonyman65]

What do you think would be a more effective (all around) weapon, a 12-Gauge Shotgun or a Semi Automatic rifle suh as an M1 Carbine or civialian AR-15?

Just a thought. Shotguns would be better for close range and easier to carry, but rifles would be good for long range and hold alot more ammo.

I think that a Shotgun and a high-quality pistol would be best.
I know for a fact that a high quality 1911 style pistol can shoot 1'' groups at 25 yards.

I doubt that we would be engaging zombies at more than 15 yards...

[Lian]

I'm going for the rifle hands down. There is just no real good comparison here, might as well compare apples to oranges. In terms of ammo capacity and range the rifle trumps the shotgun easily. I'd much rather have a carbine for maximum firepower than maximum stopping power. The problem with zombies isn't that you kill one or two close up it's that you kill one, then two show up, kill two and four show up. etc... etc... And while 25 yards is still a fair distance I'd much rather have the ability to cover more ground, because you also have to bear in mind you might not just be shooting at zombies.

[13hollowpoints]

I'm a hunter and woodsman. I've trudged through 2ft of snow for miles lugging my Remington 870 pump with jacket pockets full shells with no problem. I usually carry my .40 PX4 just in case. I feel confident enough in bear country, so I 'd feel confident enough in zombie country! Except I 'd add a backpack full of shells and a couple bandoliers.

My first choice in non-gunpowder weapons? :saw:CHAINSAW BITCHES!!!:saw: I can't believe nobody mentioned that yet. Imagine the fun of sloshing through the masses, the sound of the motor, the smell of the exhaust... Actually I don't know if I'd really want to use that. I don't know how well one would fare against multiple attackers. But I love the classic image of it! :zom2::saw:

I mainly bowhunt though. I'd love to stick a few zombies with my bow. But that's more of a rooftop, leisure killing kind of weapon.

[bandits1]

I'd like to get my hands on one of these Z-M Weapons LR-300 Assault Rifles w/M203 40mm grenade launcher:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9612/lr3001zr5.jpg
...a newer, much improved version of the M4 -- if I was allowed only one weapon, this would be it.

http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/lr300.htm

[bloodthirsty666]

i would pick up the closest blunt object... so any thing really

[jagus12]

A crowbar...
And then go killing zombies Grodon Freeman's style!!!!!!!!! :)

[mattifikation]

A chainsaw is such a bad idea! See the thread about "weapons you don't want to have," I'm pretty sure there's a great explanation there. (Yeah, I'm lazy and don't want to type it myself. Haha)

A shotgun would be excellent for defending a safehouse against zombies, because you don't have to worry about carrying ammo in that situation. You're much more likely to get the job done in one quick shot.

If I was going mobile though, I'd prefer an AR-15. Accurate, lightweight, common ammunition, common magazines, common spare parts. For a sidearm I'd take my Springfield XD, and if I had room left over I'd pack one of these.. just in case I found a new safehouse to defend:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/ser_shorty_big.jpg

[detpat]

I'd just stick to the ar, the shorter the barrel on a shotgun the less efficient it is.

[Hitman]

the shot gun looses efficancy if the barrel is much shorter than 14" .

I have an 870 with both a 12" and a 14" barrel and a mod 11 with a 14.5" barrel . the 12" barrel still pushes the round out with enough damage to remove door locks and hinges .

I'd have to say my ideal weapon would be either my MP5 or my M16 . head shots with either are easy out to 50 yards . both use 30 rd mags and ammo is not that heavy for either one. they both are about the same lenght with the stocks open.

[detpat]

true, but the shorter a shotgun the more specialized the application. I just think that they are not going to be much use against a zombie, or maybe a group of zombies. at close range you could remove the heads of a couple of zeds, particularly the slow moving variety. You just come into problems when you try to reload or if you miss and need a second quick shot.

[Hitman]

I see the shotgun as being a door opener rather than a main weapon . I know I'd rather blow open a door with a pump shotgun than a battering ram or a sledge hammer , esp if there could be zombies on the other side. if you using buck and slugs for breeching then that also helps to damage any threats on the backside of the door. 3 rounds for a sticky door would leave 2 in the gun .

[jim96sc2]

I see the shotgun as being a door opener rather than a main weapon . I know I'd rather blow open a door with a pump shotgun than a battering ram or a sledge hammer , esp if there could be zombies on the other side. if you using buck and slugs for breeching then that also helps to damage any threats on the backside of the door. 3 rounds for a sticky door would leave 2 in the gun .

But the reality is that pretty much any door can be taken out with a sledgehammer in a few whacks. Why carry around a bulky weapon with even bulkier ammo.

[Hitman]

are you saying that a sledgehammer is not both bulky and heavy? plus after shooting out the lock (or hinges) I'd rather be able to take another shot rather that have to swing the sledgehammer back through the door to hit a zombie on the other side of the door.

[Devilspaintbrush]

machete or baseball bat for those times I cant reach a weapon OR I dont want to attract any attention

I have long thought a suppressed weapon should be in everyones arsenal...not that hard to build really

bash down a door?? wouldn't advise it...half of our problems would be from OTHER SURVIVORS..leave no outward sign of being there and rest up for the next go around

[Jimmy]

I would have to say for range i would use my .17 HMR rifle. it fires a VERY small round at supersonic speeds. It would make an awesome sniper rifle.

For personal protection I would use my trusty H&K USP .40cal Pistol with tactical light on it.


I went to the gunshow and only paid $400 for it with the tactical light and a really nice tactical leg holster too. =p

[jim96sc2]

are you saying that a sledgehammer is not both bulky and heavy? plus after shooting out the lock (or hinges) I'd rather be able to take another shot rather that have to swing the sledgehammer back through the door to hit a zombie on the other side of the door.

5 pound mallet on a 3ft shaft, not too bad if you ask me. Roughly the weight and size of the shotty, but without the need to carry inordinately large rounds of ammo. Not only is it a quieter way to open locked doors, but it needs no reloading in case you need an absolute last ditch weapon.

A shotty is only as usefull as the number of rounds carried, and for me I'd rather carry 4x more of the .223/5.56 ammo to kill Mr Rottencorpse.

[bandits1]

5 pound mallet on a 3ft shaft, not too bad if you ask me. Roughly the weight and size of the shotty, but without the need to carry inordinately large rounds of ammo. Not only is it a quieter way to open locked doors, but it needs no reloading in case you need an absolute last ditch weapon.

A shotty is only as usefull as the number of rounds carried, and for me I'd rather carry 4x more of the .223/5.56 ammo to kill Mr Rottencorpse.
Hmmm...short-barreled shotgun vs. sledge hammer: if you're going somewhere that you know for sure has a lot of locked doors that you'll eventually have to open, then yes, I'd opt for the sledgehammer.

...but in just about every other situation I could imagine that doesn't necessarily involve multiple locked doors that I absolutely need to break down, I'd rather have a shotgun.

[Hitman]

5 pound mallet on a 3ft shaft, not too bad if you ask me. Roughly the weight and size of the shotty, but without the need to carry inordinately large rounds of ammo. Not only is it a quieter way to open locked doors, but it needs no reloading in case you need an absolute last ditch weapon.

A shotty is only as usefull as the number of rounds carried, and for me I'd rather carry 4x more of the .223/5.56 ammo to kill Mr Rottencorpse.


my 870 is way less than 3' long . and 10 extra shotgun shells only takes up the space of one AR15 mag (thats 15 , 12ga shells total) . I'm not planning on venturing out very far from home base anyway. I doubt I'll be running out of ammo . I'd also not be doing any of this alone anyway. the shotty would be more of a masterkey than a main weapon anyway , unless some one wanted to use my 590 .

as for quietly opening locked doors , the sledge makes a fair bit of noise also . not what the shotgun makes but not silent either. given the choise I'd use the 8 balls there using in Iraq , but I don't have any C4 . I guess I could always use some tannerite.

[IronJayBee]

Personally my main reason for carrying any model of shotgun is strictly for stopping power, for doors i would say a crowbar, light,efficient, and a great face to face one hander

[Headless Lynx]

Why the hell would you want to a gun in the first place. If you start taking pot shots at some zeds and you need to reload, you're gonna panic and probably die because you're focusing on reloading your gun and not on the zeds.

I think the best anti-zed weapons are a sharp shortsword or my personal favourite, a 5ft solid aluminium rod :evil: If you're trained to use one of these then you can do some SERIOUS damage and I mean it. It's a martial art which i've self taught myself (wasn't easy though) You don't need to reload one of these and they have a good reach. You can even customise them as well so I might want a little blade at each end to increase the amount of stuff I would do e.g. stabbing a zed in the head 5ft away (nice and safe):)

[mattifikation]

Cool. You fight the zombies from 5 feet away and we'll fight them from 50.

Sounds like a plan to me. You're effed, but it'll work out for us. LoL

[Hitman]

Why the hell would you want to a gun in the first place. If you start taking pot shots at some zeds and you need to reload, you're gonna panic and probably die because you're focusing on reloading your gun and not on the zeds.

I think the best anti-zed weapons are a sharp shortsword or my personal favourite, a 5ft solid aluminium rod :evil: If you're trained to use one of these then you can do some SERIOUS damage and I mean it. It's a martial art which i've self taught myself (wasn't easy though) You don't need to reload one of these and they have a good reach. You can even customise them as well so I might want a little blade at each end to increase the amount of stuff I would do e.g. stabbing a zed in the head 5ft away (nice and safe):)


thats what practice is for . reloading under stress , clearacne of jams , drawing from concealment . I do that all on a nearly daily basis at home with an empty gun. then I go over it at the range , along with transition drills , shooting from cover , while on the move , weak hand , while kneeling , etc.

as for getting eaten while reloading thats what extra mags are for. I have 40 + for my M16 , 35+ for my M11-9 , 25+ for my AK's , 6 for my MP5 , 6 for my FAL , 20+ for my 1911 , 8 or so for my glock and generaly 3 or so for the rest plus speed loaders for the wheelguns. thats not including standoff guns like the precision rifles and .22's

you keep your stick , I'll keep my guns . I know who will tire faster.

[Jimmy]

Why the hell would you want to a gun in the first place. If you start taking pot shots at some zeds and you need to reload, you're gonna panic and probably die because you're focusing on reloading your gun and not on the zeds.

I think the best anti-zed weapons are a sharp shortsword or my personal favourite, a 5ft solid aluminium rod :evil: If you're trained to use one of these then you can do some SERIOUS damage and I mean it. It's a martial art which i've self taught myself (wasn't easy though) You don't need to reload one of these and they have a good reach. You can even customise them as well so I might want a little blade at each end to increase the amount of stuff I would do e.g. stabbing a zed in the head 5ft away (nice and safe):)


I don't think slashing and jabbing at zombies is the best way to defend yourself. No matter how hard you try, blood spatter WILL get on you and eventually you will ingest some whether it be on your hands and you forget to wash them and rub your eyes or whatever. Then you're pretty much screwed.

Keeping your distance and shooting them would be a MUCH better idea in my opinion. I'm not saying a machete or sword is a bad thing. I just think it shouldn't be your primary weapon of choice. ._.

That's MY opinion... >_>

[bandits1]

Why the hell would you want to a gun in the first place. If you start taking pot shots at some zeds and you need to reload, you're gonna panic and probably die because you're focusing on reloading your gun and not on the zeds.

I think the best anti-zed weapons are a sharp shortsword or my personal favourite, a 5ft solid aluminium rod :evil: If you're trained to use one of these then you can do some SERIOUS damage and I mean it. It's a martial art which i've self taught myself (wasn't easy though) You don't need to reload one of these and they have a good reach. You can even customise them as well so I might want a little blade at each end to increase the amount of stuff I would do e.g. stabbing a zed in the head 5ft away (nice and safe):)
Wow...so you're saying that you wouldn't carry a single gun, and instead, carry a couple of swords and a 5' metal stick in part because of their "good reach"? :-| You know what else has some reach? A gun.

You might not need to reload a metal stick as you would a firearm, but I bet you run out of steam long before I run out of bullets. Your strikes will get weaker and weaker with each swing of your stick, while each bullet I fire will be just as powerful as the last.

[dantweedy]

I would definately want a sword. But also a good semi-automatic that fits in my hand. I have always felt I would do well if the zombie invasion happens.

[Headless Lynx]

Wow, i didn't think so many of you would comment on my weapon. Yay i'm popular LOL. The reason why I would rather a rod than a gun is not just because of the reach it has in CQB and not having to reload it, it's the sound which is important. I know you can use a sound surpreser (Don't know how to spell it lol) but you can't use it on a shotgun or a .44 can you. If I was killing zombies, i'd rather do it quietly so I don't attract a horde of the B*****ds, rather than do it with a gun and then end up getting a whole load of the walking bags of death after me.

[Hitman]

Wow, i didn't think so many of you would comment on my weapon. Yay i'm popular LOL. The reason why I would rather a rod than a gun is not just because of the reach it has in CQB and not having to reload it, it's the sound which is important. I know you can use a sound surpreser (Don't know how to spell it lol) but you can't use it on a shotgun or a .44 can you. If I was killing zombies, i'd rather do it quietly so I don't attract a horde of the B*****ds, rather than do it with a gun and then end up getting a whole load of the walking bags of death after me.


.44 carbines suppress very well . sucks that ruger stopped making the host weapons.
http://www.dhmelton.com/7744.htm

http://www.srtarms.com/9644.jpg

I don't have one yet but I plan on doing it in the future. I do have a suppresed 9mm along with a few others. sound and cappacity are not my main problems.

[zephyr]

You might think I'm crazy (or irresponsible) but I have a rifle, unlocked (the lock is actually still new in its original packaging in my safe), with plenty of magazines right next to my bed. I've got a chem light stick, a pair of ear protectors, and a reliable flashlight next to my bed, all accessible within seconds.

First thing I grab, is the flashlight, not the gun. I need to see the situation first.
Depending on what I see, I can make a decision on whether I need a gun or not.

If I do, its a Ruger 10/22 and I have about 8- 10 round (that's the legal maximum) magazines half with subsonic and the other with regular high velocity. If I could, I'd replace my 8 10 round magazines with 4 25 round and 6 50 round mags instead. the 80 round that I have now would last about 15 seconds in a emergancy situation.
If a bigger gun is needed, I got a 20 gauge shotgun hidden under a drawer in my bedroom. Much harder to get to, also unlocked, can be fetched in near silence in about 35 seconds. It holds 5+1 and I can easily make waste of whoever or whatever that is posing as a threat.

In terms of non-firearm weapons, I got a homemade flail (that I made in middle school), a pellet gun, a BB pistol, and 2 airsoft guns (one full auto 350 fps, other semi auto 440 fps). Melee weapons, Walmart-brand 18" machete. Oh yeah, and a steel brick.

The rest of my weapons and emergancy stuff is downstairs.

[bandits1]

Wow, i didn't think so many of you would comment on my weapon. Yay i'm popular LOL. The reason why I would rather a rod than a gun is not just because of the reach it has in CQB and not having to reload it, it's the sound which is important. I know you can use a sound surpreser (Don't know how to spell it lol) but you can't use it on a shotgun or a .44 can you. If I was killing zombies, i'd rather do it quietly so I don't attract a horde of the B*****ds, rather than do it with a gun and then end up getting a whole load of the walking bags of death after me.
That assassin in the movie "No Country For Old Men" had a silenced shotgun:

http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/3412/nocountry1qv7.jpg
...and you can go ahead and have your metal stick as a primary weapon...more guns and bullets left for me.

[Hitman]

the problem with silencers on shotguns is that most all the rounds made are supersonic . that and the huge hole in the end is also a problem.

[mattifikation]

In terms of non-firearm weapons, I got a homemade flail (that I made in middle school), a pellet gun, a BB pistol, and 2 airsoft guns (one full auto 350 fps, other semi auto 440 fps). Melee weapons, Walmart-brand 18" machete. Oh yeah, and a steel brick.

The rest of my weapons and emergancy stuff is downstairs.

I'd leave the airsoft stuff behind if you have to leave, and maybe stick them with the "downstairs stuff" before that. Guarantee you that the space they take up could be filled with something 100 times more useful. I've taken airsoft to the throat from ten feet away and here I am - never even broke the skin. The pellet gun might be useful for small game hunting though. Worthless as a weapon.

[bandits1]

Wow, i didn't think so many of you would comment on my weapon. Yay i'm popular LOL. The reason why I would rather a rod than a gun is not just because of the reach it has in CQB and not having to reload it, it's the sound which is important. I know you can use a sound surpreser (Don't know how to spell it lol) but you can't use it on a shotgun or a .44 can you. If I was killing zombies, i'd rather do it quietly so I don't attract a horde of the B*****ds, rather than do it with a gun and then end up getting a whole load of the walking bags of death after me.
What if you don't have the option of being quiet? What if you're cornered in an alley and have two dozen zombies bearing down on you from 50 meters out? Since you opted not to carry a single firearm, now you have wait until all 24 of them are within arm's reach before you can start swinging.

That's what you get for bringing a stick to gun fight.

[Headless Lynx]

My weapon has it's uses anyway. And besides, I live in england so it's not as easy to get a gun here than in america.

[Cenobite]

Im sure those who never used a gun will find a way upon acquiring one, and people that already have one will eventually be using cold hard steel.

As for me I got my wrecking bar that has a million uses and my body. Both easy to maintain.

[Headless Lynx]

Unless I bought one or joined the army I don't think I will ever be able to get my hands on a gun and ammo in my life, even in a zed outbreak.

It's incredibly difficult to get hold of a gun in england.

[Jimmy]

Unless I bought one or joined the army I don't think I will ever be able to get my hands on a gun and ammo in my life, even in a zed outbreak.

It's incredibly difficult to get hold of a gun in england.


I'm sure you oculd find a way. If you broke into a Police Station or something like that you could aquire one.

[JakAttak]

yea getting a gun shouldn't be to hard just don't do anything illegal and buy one. If already a felon well you are officially boned

[DemonChild]

I'd most likely get my Crossbow instead of a gun. I've got tons of bolts, can reload them relatively quickly, and if they were lined up by some act of god, I could shoot through a few of their heads. But in all likelyhood, I'd probably just skulk about the shadows only firing my bow if I have to. :mrgreen:

[JakAttak]

bows have problems yea they're quiet but so are suppressed guns and arrows have power but you know what has more power and is smaller bullets

[DemonChild]

good point. .22 cal walmart rifle. :mrgreen: couple o' boxes o' ammo. distance and a platform. sorta like ducks at a carnival.

[JakAttak]

precisely don't forget camo though

[DemonChild]

yeah, I got that much. It's not like I'm going to be wearing a banana suit. :lol:

[Hitman]

good point. .22 cal walmart rifle. :mrgreen: couple o' boxes o' ammo. distance and a platform. sorta like ducks at a carnival.

something like this?


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/quietrifle.jpg

a matching .22 pistol would go nicely with it. like my suppresed MKII.

[Dave Of The Dead]

That is sexy. I gotta have me one of them... :drool:

[JakAttak]

Amen were can I get one of dem bitches

[Hitman]

Amen were can I get one of dem bitches


make it yourself , thats what I did. just request the forms from ATF.gov , fill them out and send off with a check for $200 . when it comes back make it.
that can there is the one that led to the first .22lr can I started making and selling to other people . here is one of the production demo cans on an AM180 firing at around 1600rpm. this test led to the all S.S. and Ti can that I later built.


http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_180crusaderfed.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=180crusaderfed.flv)

[JakAttak]

that would be good practice for Z day too since you put your gun together yourself

[Headless Lynx]

I'm sure you oculd find a way. If you broke into a Police Station or something like that you could aquire one.

Even if I did break into a police station i'd only find nightsticks and mase, you need to remember that england is extremly different to america when it comes to guns. only anti-terrorism squads and special armed units have guns, and they only use pistols and MP5s. And even then they would all be gone because the police would be using them. So if I was on the look out for a gun then I might as well be doing this ---> :x

[vlad tech]

i have a REAL not battle ready but REAL katana
a Flat Black Bayonet
a Whole bunch of daggers:evil:
hammers a mini baseball batand a drill

[bandits1]

i have a REAL not battle ready but REAL katana
a Flat Black Bayonet
a Whole bunch of daggers:evil:
hammers a mini baseball batand a drill
Where did you aquire and how much did you pay for this "real" katana?

[JakAttak]

Even if I did break into a police station i'd only find nightsticks and mase, you need to remember that england is extremly different to america when it comes to guns. only anti-terrorism squads and special armed units have guns, and they only use pistols and MP5s. And even then they would all be gone because the police would be using them. So if I was on the look out for a gun then I might as well be doing this ---> :x
so you're saying there are NO hunting stores in jolly old England.

[Headless Lynx]

so you're saying there are NO hunting stores in jolly old England.

Nope, there aren't even any hunting stores. I'd have to get a gun off the black market here in england

[DemonChild]

nightsticks, well. Their intended use is to crack someone upside the head, so I gather that you can knock around some zeds with one...Just saying. If at all possible, though, get a gun or at least a decent bow. At least try to craft a spear out of a sapling, I mean, the possiblities are endless.

[JakAttak]

Isn't hunting a European tradition?

[Headless Lynx]

Isn't hunting a European tradition?

It used to be but they've been pushung real hard against it and now hunting is band full stop.

[JakAttak]

sucks to be you.

[detpat]

try to post your OWN pics of your favorite zed popper, not stock pics off the web. close ups of particular points of interest is fine and encouraged.

I'll start out with a recent acquisition that one of my friends dubbed my "escargun" because it's a French infantry rifle, Mas Mle 49-56. It's a really well designed and produced rifle and doesn't get much attention because It's not that common here. You can get it in It's original chambering of 7.5mm or in the more common .308. It has a 10 round mag but can be modded to take 20 round fal mags.


this the right side of the receiver
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09862.jpg

detail of the front sight, gas cut off and grenade launching mechanism

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09863.jpg
closer shot of same in the deployed position

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09866.jpg
detail of receiver right side showing unusual mag catch arrangement

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09869.jpg
detail of rear sight

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09871.jpg
close detail of the grenade launcher range ring, this slides forward and back to determine the grenades range

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09878.jpg

further detail of the receiver and rear sight in it's elevated position for longer range shooting, this slides forward and back to adjust the point of aim for greater or shorter ranges.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09897.jpg

[Whiterook]

I like those MAS rifles, too bad 7.5French is kind of rare. I'll get a pic of my rifles soon.

[CplKerberos]

This thread is relevant to my interests. Since the OP wasn't particular as to what type of firearm it had to be, I chose my beloved Colt MK IV Series 80 Combat Elite chambered in .45ACP :)

http://www.the-mans-art.com/crap/My45.jpg

I would also post a pic of my sawed-off Mossberg pump action 12 gauge but I have none :(

The reason I tag this as a great zombie killer is because of the great knockdown power of the .45ACP round. Even if I miss and hit a zombie somewhere other than the head, he'll be on the ground a little bit allowing me to employ my motor skills. The high visibility sights also make target acquisition easy and John Browning's design is known for it's reliability when properly maintained.

-Cpl K

[detpat]

that's a nice 1911, although knockdown power is mostly a myth, i think you may mean stopping power. here's one of mine.

it's a springfield loaded champion, oddly enough it's paired with my smith model gg. both have rosewood grips and both are stainless.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC06409.jpg

this is my beloved Colt combat commander and colt detective special with matching ivory grips cut from the same 100 year old tusk.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC06407.jpg

BTW the OP doesn't mind variations, if you only have a zed busting favorite rock, go ahead and post.

[CplKerberos]

You are correct good sir. I often times forget that knockdown power and stopping power are not interchangeable terms. I do still stand by the stopping power though especially when I load "Betty" with hyrdashock rounds :evil:. Sadly I can't view your irons, work computers have a bad habit of doing that.

[detpat]

damn brother, that sucks. nothing beats the poppa 45.

[Hitman]

I might be able to scrounge up a pic or 2 but the bucket is not coperating .

I believe my favorite zed poping weapon is my M16 . it has a 11.5" heavy barrel with a 1:7 twist and is crome lined . I have a aimpoint on it currently but I just got a acog to put on it (3.5 x 35 with a red donut and BDC ) . I just need to settle on what mount I want for it. with this I will have the reach for the longer shots plus the capacity and option of going full-auto should the need arise. it has a suppresor on the end that I designed for my company to keep the blast down as well . I also have plenty of mags and ammo for it. the .22lr kit would be used for quiet sniping from a secure position .

handgun wise I'd have to give the nod to my glock 19 . I have more mags for it and it has shown its self to be dead reliable and more than accurate enough.

[Faran Brigo]

The reason I tag this as a great zombie killer is because of the great knockdown power of the .45ACP round. Even if I miss and hit a zombie somewhere other than the head, he'll be on the ground a little bit allowing me to employ my motor skills. The high visibility sights also make target acquisition easy and John Browning's design is known for it's reliability when properly maintained.

-Cpl K
I don't think a shot of .45 will knock down a zombie, unless it goes through his head. Love the punisher skull on the handle though, very cool, and you can't go wrong with a classic .45.

[detpat]

some pretty good choices, I'll need to take some pics of my AR's, i took some recent pics of my AK's for other reasons ans need some AR love too.

[Haji]

Latest photos, although I've changed the trigger guard to the Magpul part since this one was taken.
http://images38.fotki.com/v1215/photos/9/98493/921251/carbinecolorfixed-vi.jpg
Slightly older pic showing my Hensoldt 3.5X magnifier in a LaRue mount, as well as some other older parts that aren't on that gun anymore:
http://images34.fotki.com/v1122/photos/9/98493/921251/dscn2970-vi.jpg
Close up of the somewhat rare (only 25 LFT-15 receivers made) lower on Ze Zombie Shlayah Two Sousand:
http://images33.fotki.com/v1067/photos/9/98493/921251/m4receivershotSNedited-vi.jpg
Zombie Illumination Device:
http://images38.fotki.com/v1223/photos/9/98493/921251/lightside-vi.jpg
Parts particulars:
SNS Industries LFT-15 lower. Nice lower, but I don't recommend SNS. They made a total of 50 receivers for a group buy, took over a year to deliver all of them, and stole the IP of the artist that did the artwork.

The upper receiver is a Bushhamster receiver assembled for me by Daniel Defense, using one of thier barrels.

Aimpoint M68 in a LaRue Tactical QD mount. LRT makes the best parts, period. Folding rear sight is a Troy Battle Sight.

Daniel Defense 9.5 FSP rail. Best rail going, since its free floating, light as a feather, and tough as nails.

Currently has the pictured MIAD grip, but also has the trigger guard from Magpul as well now.

Vltor clubfoot modstock. Good place to store 123A's for the Surefire 6P with shock isolated bezel in the Vltor Scout Mount. Opposite of the Surefire is the Ace sling mount. Light, simple, and bull strong. Highly recommended part. Sling is the Viking Tactics padded VTAC adjustable two point. The older pic shows the only other sling worth a damn in the world, the VCAS from Blue Force Gear.

The pic with the gear on the floor shows a black Lightfighter RAID pack, ATS Cobra pack, SOTech Hellcat Mk I with bib and padded hydration harness, and a one-of-two-in-the-world ATS 8 Ball chest harness.

[50 cal]

This......
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/6488DoubleStar_AR.JPG

Or for long range bets......
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/6488AICS_Rem700.JPG

[Haji]

What chambering is your AW in? .308? Looks like a short action from the pic.

[50 cal]

308. It is a Rem 700 set in an AI stock system.

[detpat]

you got the AI chassis system, sweet. I never got to fire one of those, how does it perform?

[mattdettorre123]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg247/mattdettorre123/rifle/IMG_1249.jpg

This is my marlin 336CS, in .30-30 don't mind the red dot I just stuck it on as a joke that putting a red dot on anything makes it "tacticool" very fast and very accurate and packs plenty of punch for zombies and the muggers of providence. it is a trust worthy truck gun and has earned its keep so to speak, but that is another story for another time.

[detpat]

cool, I've seen some guys do some pretty slick work with a lever gun. I used to have a brand new marlin in .444 when those first came out. Sure wish i kept it.

[mattdettorre123]

I would to eventually get a lever action in a pistol caliber. either .45 long or .357 magnum more for an HD gun and a plinker than anything else. and I want one in .45-70 just to say I have a gun that will put a hole through a cape buffalo

[farrelljt]

Pics of my guns that I would view as very useful in the event of a zed attack.

LMT AR - 14.5", now also sporting a PFI Spec Ops Auto
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/farrelljt/IMG_9504-2.jpg

1897 Winchester "break-down" 12 ga shotgun
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/farrelljt/DSC03354.jpg

Ruger 10/22 - Tackdriver at 100 yards
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee129/farrelljt/edc44a4a.jpg

[detpat]

ooooooo jt you need to bring that breakdown to the campout. I'll bring mine and we'll have some fun.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09226.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/harrybeck/DSC09225.jpg

[Screwballgunnut]

I would to eventually get a lever action in a pistol caliber. either .45 long or .357 magnum more for an HD gun and a plinker than anything else. and I want one in .45-70 just to say I have a gun that will put a hole through a cape buffalo

Always been partial to a .44 over the .45LC. Reason being, 44mag/special is easier to locate ammo, and not nearly as pricey. I've got a Marlin 1894 Cowboy II & a ruger super blackhawk in .44mag, handload the ammo to work very well in either platform. The 1894 is the long barrel version, holds 13+1, with tang mounted lyman peep sight, and man, oh man is that a LOT of 200gr magnum hollow points :evil:

The 45-70 is a fun gun. I've got a Marlin 1895 Cowboy (26" octagonal barrel), holds 9+1 of my handloads. 21-2200fps out of a 300gr JHP below SAAMI specs. 1/4" plate steel will not stop those bullets at 100 yards..... Zeds don't stand a chance :evil:

[detpat]

I'd love to get another 45-70. haven't had one since i've been an adult. [hehe]

[50 cal]

you got the AI chassis system, sweet. I never got to fire one of those, how does it perform?


The AI chassis is really comfortable to shoot. I handload most of my ammo. The 308 is a real accurate rifle with 175g MatchKings. I shoot it a lot all the way to 1000 yds. It will hold the X ring (8") all day if I do my part.

I considered one of the folding stock chassis but didn't like the feel of it.

[Firedude]

My AR: Wilson Combat UT15 with LaRue Rail, Eotech 552 and Magpul CTR stock:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jimkurtsey/DSCN1226.jpg

My 1911's: Kimber Warrior and Kimber Ultra Carry II:

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k185/jimkurtsey/DSCN1275.jpg

Though if something did actually breakout and head shots were the only stoppers, I would probably go with a Glock 17 for larger mag capacity and lower recoil.

[JakAttak]

I'll post pics when I get a new camera hopefully soon but for now I shall entertain you with a gun I've fired but never sigh:cry:

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/pgm_ur338.jpg

[Haji]

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg247/mattdettorre123/rifle/IMG_1249.jpg

This is my marlin 336CS, in .30-30 don't mind the red dot I just stuck it on as a joke that putting a red dot on anything makes it "tacticool" very fast and very accurate and packs plenty of punch for zombies and the muggers of providence. it is a trust worthy truck gun and has earned its keep so to speak, but that is another story for another time.
One of my old hunting buddies is a big time lever action fan. He mounted an Aimpoint on his Marlin 1894(? I think that's what it was; its been a long time) in .44 magnum. With a 50 yard zero, that gun would shoot nice groups with all rounds touching. It would have worked well on black bear had we ever found any during those trips.:)

Forgot I had a couple other pics of my lower:
http://images112.fotki.com/v599/photos/9/98493/921251/DSCN2073-vi.jpg
http://images114.fotki.com/v659/photos/9/98493/921251/DSCN2448-vi.jpg
Ace rail mounted sling point:
http://images35.fotki.com/v1162/photos/9/98493/921251/Aceslingmountcloseup-vi.jpg
6P and Scout Mount on the DD 9.5 FSP
http://images38.fotki.com/v1223/photos/9/98493/921251/lightside-vi.jpg

[Jimmy]

This is my newest addition to my collection. I've ordered a nice light on ebay but 3 weeks later and still no light. :[

I added a Bushnell EOtech holo sight.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/3373/shorty1pv6.jpg

I'm currently tryin to get my hands on an HK23 Socom pistol in OD green with silencer but they're pretty hard to find.

[john154]

Jimmy thats a beauty of a carbine. Whats that model called?

I'm not big on taking pics of my guns; hell I don't even tell most people I have a gun collection unless they're the sort thats into shooting but here are a few pics I have handy:
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/DSC02852.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/DizzleWarface.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/P3170725.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/P3170685.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/P3170688.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/P3170693.jpg
http://i340.photobucket.com/albums/o358/c26786154/P3170696.jpg
Couldn't resist putting that old pic of my service rifle in there. I know its not really "mine" but we've had some good times. Ive got new black synthetic furiture for the VZ-58 but am waiting on the m-4 stock to arrive before I put it all together. It'll be sexy:)

[Onslaught]

het detat, howw do you like that steyr MA1?

[detpat]

It's nice, accurate and very ergonomic. sights are a little odd at first, but work well once you get a handle on them.

[Jimmy]

John, It's a Vector V53 .223 with an aftermarket front grip.

Here's a pic of the collapsable stock. I really want to get a silencer for it. lol

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4558/shorty2gn4.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

So, what do you think would be the best caliber rifle during the zombocalypse? To make things clear, they are the slow zombies that can only be killed by successful penetrating head shots.

This includes availability, price, blah blah blah
EX: .22 LR, 9mm, 17 HMR, 45 ACP, ect.

[Behemoth]

IMO, 30-06, is the best rifle caliber. It's available, cheap & plenty of rifles are chambered for it

[CplKerberos]

As Behemoth said, .30-'06 is a damn fine round and quite popular. Not terribly expensive either depending on where you live. 5.56x45mm NATO which is current issue for US military service rifles is capable of getting the job done at range but it just so happens to be pretty damn expensive. Of course .22LR is super cheap but I am personally still wary of it's penetration capabilities at longer ranges. For my contribution I'll have to say go with the AK 7.62x39mm since it's quite inexpensive and has the penetrating abilities required.

[mattdettorre123]

Well for fighting anyone, maybe a pistol caliber out of a rifle could be good. The barrel length will yield more powder burn and more velocity and muzzle velocity. maybe more accuracy, a lever rifle would be good. for distance shots, I would dump the 30-06 for a 308. more data available for them. Going for a true long range round maybe a .300 WSM or Winmag lots of hunting stores carry them they are popular. They .260 is good if you can find it, if you live in a place big on target shooting.

[Screwballgunnut]

Calibers I'd avoid: any of the magnum calibers due to them being pricey now, means not much demand, so they're not going to be heavily stocked calibers; the oddball foreign calibers; the wildcats like the .260/7mm-08/25-06/257 Roberts/35 Whelen finding most of these calibers now is a challenge. ZPAW, well thats gunna be worse. Hand loading for them is time consuming, especially when you have to form the brass out of something else. Granted in a siege situation, that could be a not so bad thing. It would give you something productive to do while listening to the moans of the dead. Back to the magnum calibers, assuming you are able to hand load, your brass only has a life span of 3 to 7 reloads before the brass is blown so far out that you can't safely reload it any more. Some of your tame calibers, you can get 15 or 20 reloads out of a single casing.

For a rifle/pistol combination, a lever gun & revolver in 357 Mag/38 Special would be a hard combo to beat, and by carrying a common caliber, you spend a lot less time looking for ammo. Plus, 38 Special is probably one of the most common calibers in the US. I deer hunt with both (depending on which box of reloads is on top) and the results are impressive, either way.

For a semi-auto, I'd have to say an AK/SKS chambered in 7.62x39 would be the way to go. They are probably the cheapest ammo to stock up on, and those guns are low maintenance. My SKS gets cleaned with carb cleaner & some motor oil dribbled on it about once a year, and continues to function flawlessly.

Ooops, this thread was supposed to be about caliber.

223, 308, 30-06, 270, 30-30 are all great calibers. Ammo is common for them, throughout the US (except maybe in Kalifornia) and all of them have more than enough punch to splatter a zed.

For sniping/sharp shooting activities, I'm a proponent for the use of a 22 rifle up to 100yds or so. A 22's report will easily get lost in the din of the "great panic," and possibly by the moans of the undead. Winchester Wildcat ammo is the way I'd go, as I've had the least malfunctions/dead shells from them.

[Headless Lynx]

I have the best rifle caliber, not the best caliber for an assault rifle but good for a sniper rifle............. the 50. cal is the best. Perfect for watching a zeds head completely disappear. :zom2:

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have the best rifle caliber, not the best caliber for an assault rifle but good for a sniper rifle............. the 50. cal is the best. Perfect for watching a zeds head completely disappear. :zom2:

Ouch. Availability after zombocalypse and price today for the gun and ammo will probably make that a less wanted caliber for this kind of situation.

---

Awesome suggestions everyone. I've been shopping for a new rifle for a couple weeks now and needed some help with it. This was just a cover for me not sounding like a gun newb :)

What about 9mm rifles? I know it's not the most popular rifle round but Hi Point makes 9mil rifles for hella cheap.

[Shadowalker191]

So, what do you think would be the best caliber rifle during the zombocalypse? To make things clear, they are the slow zombies that can only be killed by successful penetrating head shots.

This includes availability, price, blah blah blah
EX: .22 LR, 9mm, 17 HMR, 45 ACP, ect.

30-06 is my choice, I also have the gear to reload it as long as I remember to pick up my brass.

[Screwballgunnut]

The .50BMG is the best rifle caliber for zed control? WTF? Ammo is ridiculously expensive, the guns are ridiculously heavy, and the bullets do not stabilize in flight for approximately 100 yards, meaning that until they do, accuracy is pure crap. The recoil is enough to make most people think twice before taking a second shot.

Granted, the 50BMG is one gun that will completely separate a zed's head from his neck & shoulders, but in the time it takes you to cycle the chamber on your bolt action .50BMG, I'll have knocked out 2 or 3 additional zeds with my just as effective, albeit less spectacular SKS.

[Screwballgunnut]

What about 9mm rifles? I know it's not the most popular rifle round but Hi Point makes 9mil rifles for hella cheap.

Dave, I'd steer you toward a SKS or an AK47 before I'd recommend a Hi Point 9mm. Reason being they are not particularly accurate, magazines are not easy to come by, and the 9mm is a notoriously puny caliber. If you're looking for a good "truck gun," either go with the SKS/AK or if you have to have a modular, plastic rifle, get a kel-tec, chambered in .40S&W. They've got one out that takes Glock mags, meaning that you can go to a gun show and get 30rd magazines for it.

[john154]

6.8 SPC if it were available.

More likely 7.62x39mm.

[Faran Brigo]

A .50 would be good against marauders no? it can punch through any likely cover, I don't think they'll see that coming. Plus you could disable vehicles by shooting the engine. I'm not saying it's handy, just saying that'd be nice to have on static defense. Using it on zeds does seem wasteful though.

[john154]

We all know that the first thing to go for in that situation is any kind of firearm, but not all of us have easy access to one, so what would be the first thing you try to grab to fight with besides a gun. I own a survival kit to i would go for the machete and my hatchet thats in there, whats you guys's take?

A nice wood ax from the garage or nearby hardware store. A spear would be nice too but I'd probably have to hit up the museum for one of those bad boys.

[Faran Brigo]

Second that. Why would you pick a machete over an axe anyway?

[mattifikation]

There's a gun store up here that has a .44 magnum revolver on sale for well under 400 bucks. Would it be a good caliber? I know it's more power than needed, what I'd like to know about is ammo availability.

[Screwballgunnut]

There's a gun store up here that has a .44 magnum revolver on sale for well under 400 bucks. Would it be a good caliber? I know it's more power than needed, what I'd like to know about is ammo availability.

What brand/model/size .44? The thing about a .44mag is that if you are a novice shooter, thats an awful lot of recoil for you to learn with, and has been known to scare people off after two or three rounds. I have a buddy that still won't touch my .44 after shooting it one weekend. Granted I did put 2 or 3 .44 specials in there (very light loads) and then the heaviest .44 magnum I had lying around, and let him go with it. The specials didn't bother him, but when he hit the magnum, he cussed me for a week.

Ammo availability is not a standard thing. Walmart doesn't ship the same ammo to every store, so really, you need to go look around at your local gun shops, and see what they stock regularly. .44mag/.44special is a fairly common caliber, but depending on where you are, there may not be much call for it

[detpat]

I'm trying to stick with a few calibers and not stock too many. 7.62x39, .223, .40, 9mm 12 gauge and 30-06 along with .22 lr.

[mattdettorre123]

the .22LR doesnt count. they are cheap and light and you should always have some

[bandits1]

I'd take the single most popular caliber in my region that can reliably penetrate a human skull, regardless of cost(I doubt the most popular caliber is also going to be the most expensive..but I might be wrong). My main concern would be finding ammo of the same caliber post-outbreak. The gun shops are all going to be cleaned out by then, so you're going to have to scrounge around for bullets. I don't think too many private owners shoot .50 cal thus eliminating it from being the single "best" caliber to own.

Post-global-outbreak ammo avaliability should be just about the only criteria(besides effectiveness) that decides which caliber is "best".

[Dave Of The Dead]

Second that. Why would you pick a machete over an axe anyway?

Depends on the machete. Some have almost the same chopping ability as a hatchet and is longer and lighter.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I guess that's why cost now is so important. I really don't like the idea of spending more on the ammo than I do on the gun after a few times out on the range or while stocking up for a short term incident.

[bandits1]

I guess that's why cost now is so important. I really don't like the idea of spending more on the ammo than I do on the gun after a few times out on the range or while stocking up for a short term incident.
True - for most people it doesn't make much sense to stock up on ultra-expensive ammo in this zombie-free world where you have a choice of 128973453537 different kinds of ammo and firearms...but...if you're stocking up specifically for the post-outbreak world, if the most popular caliber also happens to be the most expensive, then that would be the one to get.

[Jimmy]

7.62x39 is the best choice imo.

[Faran Brigo]

If you expect to find ammunition when you scavenge, then won't you also find weapons chambered for that caliber too?

[bandits1]

If you expect to find ammunition when you scavenge, then won't you also find weapons chambered for that caliber too?
Maybe, maybe not - I'd assume the weapon would be in the hands of it's owner, who may or may not be still around...but that's beside my point.

My point is: if you're choosing a caliber specifically for z-day and everyone you know shoots .223, wouldn't it make sense for you to also shoot .223?

[Faran Brigo]

Well, if you're going to search in an abandoned gun store or a walmart (just examples) and you expect to find some ammo, it's because it hasn't been ransacked, and if that's the case then it probably still has some firearms as well, even if the owner took all he could carry (which would probably be the case).

It's a valid argument but there are two ways of looking at that:

1.- Since everyone's firing that there will be plenty of ammo from the onset, obviously ammo which sells faster tends to be stocked more abundantly and restocked constantly.

2.- But that also means it will be the most sought after caliber, depleted sooner and given priority in looting over other rounds, so perhaps since it IS the most common round, it will be the first one to go while whole crates of .44, .40, .32, .30-06, 30-30 and other not so popular rounds remain in the shelves.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm sure that if there are dead people around, then there are dead peoples' weapons around. And if the dead peoples' weapons are around, then the dead peoples' weapons' ammo is around too. But, this is just an assumption, and if it were true, you probably wouldn't have any trouble finding ammo outside of stores.

[ZomCom]

Thoughts of a non-gun guy. In order of priority:

1) Availability. A gun without bullets is an awkward club. You could either stock up on bullets, or try to find them after things go bad. I don’t think you will be shooting thousands of rounds, I think that the survivors will be the ones who shoot less, and hide more.
2) Accuracy. You need to be able to pull off a head shot (which is a small target). That means you need to be good with one round, or able to loose off enough to get the decisive hit. You need a gun you can shoot comfortably, and you need one that probably does not require a lot of practice after you are forced to lay low and stay quiet.
3) Reliable. I put this a bit down on the list because I just don’t see that you will shooting the gun a lot while hiding from zombies. But, the gun must not jam when it is needed, and it would be prudent to assume it may be difficult to keep it clean.
4) Useful. An elephant gun may be a good sniper rifle, but difficult to use if you are trying to clear your basement of zombies. Besides, you may be holding the door closed while the 12 year old girl who lived next door is using your gun to clear the room of zombies.
5) Effective. Low on the list because I think it is intuitive. A .22LR is not what you want to bet your life on, a .50 cal. is great if the zombies are using halftracks.

BTW, I do own an SKS, but I have not fired it or any other gun in 20 years. Perhaps I should get in some practice?

[Trebek]

I'd go with the good ole 5.56/.223 I know the rounds are slightly different, but for all intents and purposes a rifle chambered in 5.56 will shoot .223. It is expensive now, but after the zombies start screwing everything up, you'll be scrounging no matter what. The 5.56 has the advantage as stated above of being the primary issue round of the military, as well as many law enforcement agencies.

I'd say the 7.62 x39 and the 30-06 are both very close seconds based on current availability, penetration power and accuracy. Yeah, that's right, I said the 7.62x39 is accurate.

[john154]

Ouch. Availability after zombocalypse and price today for the gun and ammo will probably make that a less wanted caliber for this kind of situation.

Awesome suggestions everyone. I've been shopping for a new rifle for a couple weeks now and needed some help with it. This was just a cover for me not sounding like a gun newb :)

What about 9mm rifles? I know it's not the most popular rifle round but Hi Point makes 9mil rifles for hella cheap.

Hey man if your shoppin around for a gun now I reccamend you get something in 7.62x39mm. Everyone should have one. The rifles, ammo and accesories are affordable, super reliable, deadly and easy to shoot. I've got a SKS and a vz.58 and love them both to pieces. You really can't go wrong.

[Slayer]

I prefer cheaper calibers, thankfully, here in the US they are pretty common and in great supply. I have a few Mosin Nagants in 7.62X54, as an anti zombie weapon Mosin Nagants are hard hitters and reasonably accurate, ammo is about the cheapest you will find for something that powerful, and you can get the rifles for around $70, best anti zombie weapon for the money.

SKS and AK-47 type rifles are also very good for closer in, 7.62X39 is still easily had for $100 for 500 rounds, it would be doable on a budget to stock up a bit of it. In the event of an outbreak, 7.62X54 and 7.62X39 would be in great quantity stocked up for sale at many gunshops, and you could reload the rounds, as in the long term it, like ANY round, no matter how common it is now, will become scarce.

In the very long term I could see communities constructing new firearms and ammunition for defence against zombies. I could also see semi automatics falling out of favor eventually for weapons easier to construct, simple to maintain, and cheaper to construct. Like bolt actions, I would think weapons constructed after the outbreak would use wood for stocks instead too.

[Hitman]

sub guns like the sten and grease gun are the easiest to make . far easier to make than a bolt action.


as for the best caliber, it all depends on what your plans are for post Z-day . if you plan on hiding and only shooting when its absolutly required , then a shotgun or cut down hunting rifle will do , as will most any handgun. if you like the long range stuff , any of the more accurate rifle rounds will do. I'd find out what my gun really likes then stock up on that. if you plan on taking back you local area from the zeds smaller guns firing either pistol rounds or intermediate rifle rounds would be best. you really need to stock up on ammo for this one.

like has been mentioned before , I don't plan on clearing houses with my .375H&H and I'm not going to be fighing raiders at 1000 yards with my .22's or 9mm subguns .

for 80% of the shooting that needs to be done most fighting handgun rounds (from either a handgun or rifle) or rifle rounds like the 5.56/.223 ,5.45x39, 7.62 x39 ,7.62x25 and buckshot will take care of it.

[Faran Brigo]

Indeed, I heard the European resistance forces in several countries made Sten smgs on bike shops out of plumbing materials and spare parts for other equipment. This IS about rifle caliber though, and rifle rounds have higher loads and thus higher pressure, so firearms for (most) rifle rounds need to be higher quality.

[Ball Tripper]

I think it all depends on the situation for which weapon I would favor. I got one particular favorite I thought up for a zombie siege situation. I used to do the shot put in track back in highschool, I've still got the 16 pound steel ball I used to practice with. I figure if I put it in a pillow case and tie a rope to it, I can lean out my second story window or off the roof and drop it to crack some zombie skulls. Would be great fun too.

[ZomCom]

More gun talk from someone who is not a gun guy…

I know the powerful .30 cal rounds like the 30-06 were made for accurate long range shooting. Additionally, the ammunition was used in machineguns, and it was simpler to have a common round. I suppose that shooting zombies at long range might have it’s uses, but I’m thinking that not attracting their attention is more prudent. Plus, hitting a moving target in the head at long range is pretty good shoot’n cuz. My cousin can do it, he was an Army sniper. Not me.

The intended target is a human skull. A big .30 cal round is overkill for that. Those rounds, and big pistol rounds like the .44 Magnum, and the .357 Magnum ensure decent hitting and stopping power when firing at someone who is firing back at you. You need something that will put them down, even if you only wing them. Zombies don’t care if you blow off an arm, or a foot. Now, if I was facing 28 Days infected, bigger and bangier is better.

I like the assault rifle rounds. I really believe engagements will take place at short to maybe medium range. Otherwise, lay low, or get the hell out of there. The .223 and the Russian equivalents should have plenty of penetration and brain scrambling effect on a zombie’s head. More rounds in the chamber means more chances to put down a flock of zombies if you get bumrushed. And, the rounds are lighter and easier to carry; the rifle is easier to shoot, less recoil, somewhat less noise.

Uzi’s, Mac-10’s, etc. are handy in a room sweeping scenario, but they sacrifice hitting power and range flexibility for high volume of fire. That’s good against criminals and terrorists; you either get hits, or keep their heads down. Against zombies, it’s a waste of ammo to spray them with bullets.

My ex-sniper cousin just bought an FN-57. That would seem the ideal anti-zombie pistol, on paper. Ammo scarcity is a consideration. If there was also an assault rifle chambered for the same round, I think that would be a great combo.

[Faran Brigo]

The FN Five-seveN uses the same round as the (older) FN-P90, which is a cross between a submachinegun and assault rifle (a PDW or "Personal Defense Weapon", intended to be issued to vehicle crews and pilots as a survival firearm in case their vehicle is disabled). In fact the round was designed specifically for the P90, the idea was to create a small round that defeated body armor and could be carried in numbers, the P90 has a high rate of fire and 50 round magazine and I hear it's quite controllable in full auto due to the size of the round. The geekier among us might recognize it as a frequently shown weapon in sci-fi for its futuristic, curved, plastic look. I've heard complaints about the round seriously lacking punch, but that's just hearsay.

But again, this is about RIFLE calibers, so submachineguns are out. I'm not sure 5.7x28mm fits the category either but it's a gray area. We've pretty much come to the same conclusions, repeatedly, check any firearm thread.

[50 cal]

I just built up a 9mm AR 15. It uses Sten sub gun mags. I really like that set up. I have 4 AR 15's so they get the primary nod with boatload of .223 I have on hand.


The 9mm AR makes headshots easily out to 100m. I plan on submitting my Form 1 to make it a short barrel rifle and get a suppresor for it.

[jim96sc2]

5.56/.223. Its relatively small, easily penetrates skulls, and has a good range. You don't need to tag HS's out to 1000 yrds for zombies.

[Senecal]

And oldie but goodie...
I've seen a .3006 work wonders on supposedly bullet resistant surfaces.
Where spray and pray is not an option, it's the one I'd go with.

[Senecal]

"Granted I did put 2 or 3 .44 specials in there (very light loads) and then the heaviest .44 magnum I had lying around, and let him go with it. The specials didn't bother him, but when he hit the magnum, he cussed me for a week."

LMAO

Hey, I just came into possession of a 9mm "Llama" says it was made in Spain.
WTH? Anyone have info on this thing?

[Dave Of The Dead]

I just got a .22 revolver and a .38 auto a couple days ago for my birthday. I haven't been to the range yet, but I am effing excited to see whet they can do!

[JakAttak]

I'm gonna have to say .308 R700.

[JakAttak]

I'd use it for fun only though cause in combat with that thing you would not get second shot.

[lizardman464]

5.56/.223 no contest. It may be somwhat more expensive then the Russian 7.62xwhateverthelastpartisthattheSKSandAK47and101s hoot, but it it smaller, lighter, easier on recoil, and more accurate. Also in the case of taking out other survivors 5.56 fragments real good out of a full length barrel causing more damage then the larger sized 7.62.

[JakAttak]

7.62 is .308 and thats a sniper round bucko.

[Faran Brigo]

No JakAttak, he was talking about 7.62x39 Soviet used in the AK47, SKS carbine, etc. You're talking about 7.62x51 NATO used in the G3, FN FAL and M14 which IS .308.

[bandits1]

Lol...JakAttak talking about his sniper nonsense again.

[JakAttak]

screw you. snipers kick ass.

[50 cal]

Real deal snipers kick ass. Wannabees are pathetic.


.223/5.56 would be ideal, lots of it in the US. Military bases have it by the gross tonnage.

Ever see an ammo storage hardpoint? It's enough to give a dead guy a woody!

[Eknytz]

If there was an outbreak of zombies I guess this would be handy as it has somewhat high firepower(not talking about full auto) and you can just toss it in your backpack.
http://www.carricozarmory.com/images/oa_93.JPG

[JakAttak]

how accurate is it?

[Eknytz]

how accurate is it?

I have NO IDEA, but i'm guessing more than a pistol-less than a rifle.
But it couldn't hurt.
It's also maneuverable for those tight spaces.

[mattifikation]

Why not just get an mp5 pdw version, chambered in 40sw or 357sig? The gun would be even smaller, the ammo would be smaller, and the firepower probably wouldn't be reduced all that much considering 5.56 was never meant to be fired from a barrel that short.

[Eknytz]

But civilians can actually legally buy one of these, also the 5.56x45mm round wouldn't have it's power diminished as much over range as much as a 9x19mm.
-BTW they don't make the MP5K "PDW" in .40 S&W or .357 SIG; also where would you get one, unless you raided an abandoned secret service armory or something?

[JakAttak]

this sounds crazy considering I'll never have one a .45 carbine would be excellent.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have seen MP5 knock-off's on the web in .22 and 9mm. They are legal to buy only because there is no full auto built in.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, Vector Arms I think was the company that made them. Semi-auto, civilian legal, with better-than-9mm ammo.

They aren't listed on their site anymore, but I'm sure they're still out there.

[Trumble0]

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sctm/v162/241/91/1371150023/n1371150023_30005402_2072.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v169/241/91/1371150023/n1371150023_30005877_7559.jpg

My Pride and joy :cry: she's got a bulge in the barrel or something right where it meets the reciever, makes all my casings get a bulge which makes them un-reloadable... Im thinking about getting another today and making Tatianna a wallhanger. Put alot of work into re-bluing her and re-finishing her with a dark red mahogany stain. This is one of my newest acquisitions... need to mod her out though.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v276/241/91/1371150023/n1371150023_30020074_8579.jpg

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v276/241/91/1371150023/n1371150023_30020075_8738.jpg

[Rogers120]

I'm looking for a reliable .45 in the $300-$400 dollar range. Any suggestions? realiability to price ratio 2:3 :doh:

[mattifikation]

I think Taurus is your only real option within those parameters, unless you're willing to buy something pre-owned or surplus.

The Taurus 24/7 meets the requirements you mentioned:

http://www.impactguns.com/store/725327602033.html

[Trumble0]

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/images/ssi/48342.jpg

It may not be pretty, but it's cheap. Between $150-230 depending on where you get it from. Made by Hi-Point Firearms, accuracy and performance are average, but at that price you could get like 2 or 3. Plus they have a Lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. Ive heard people say theyre ugly but they certainly get the job done.

[deadrising08]

I want you to tell me what you think the best weapon would be and why most of all.

[Trumble0]

IMHO, a 12 Gauge shotgun modded out, with a 10 shot magazine through the use of tacstar Mag extensions, Bayonet Lug, Pistol Grip, Tac-Light, Loaded with 00 Buckshot and an 18" barrel with a modified choke. and possibly have some specialized shells on hand, ie. (Dragon's breath[short range/life Flame rounds], Hatton [Door breaching], and most definitely some rifled slugs for shots out to maybe 100 yards.) Shotguns have tremendous stopping power, have high utilty, they also great room clearing guns due to the spread you get using various chokes. The shotgun above would have equal magazine capacity as most standard .45 caliber pistols, would have a short enough overall length to make it feasable to move in tight spaces yet still retain the barrel length not to critically damage its accuracy. I'm not saying it would be the only gun I would carry, but I would make sure it was one of the guns I had in my possession.

[Rogers120]

My Uncle has a Hi-Point but it's a .40. :lol: it is pretty ugly but it is a good weapon. I gonna check out the Taurus too, thank guys.

[Rogers120]

I got an SKS. I like it because it's pretty accurate at medium range, it's short and compact. Close range you've got semi-auto and with a 7.62 round it's got a nice little slap. Ammo is relatively cheap for me because i buy Wolf ammo. I might get a spike bayonet but i don't know yet.

[Rogers120]

http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/832529/catalog/TAPCO%20SKS%20T6%20Stock%20set.JPG

Something like this but insted of the 5 round fixed magazine I got 1 20 round mag and 1 30 round mag.

[Trumble0]

http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/832529/catalog/TAPCO%20SKS%20T6%20Stock%20set.JPG

Something like this but insted of the 5 round fixed magazine I got 1 20 round mag and 1 30 round mag.
That's nice, is yours Chinese, Russian, or Yugoslavian? My buddy has a Yugo 59/66 and his came with a stainless steel folding bayonet attached to the barrel. They seem like real nice rifles for the price.

[mattdettorre123]

the best weapon is one you feel comfortable carrying, shooting, and trusting your life to. If I grew up shooting rifles and never used a pistol then a pistol would not be the weapon of choice and vice versa.

[mattdettorre123]

Meh who cares if its ugly? Not the person staring down the barrel. Hi-points are nice, I shot one in .380 and it was pretty smooth

[Trumble0]

Meh who cares if its ugly? Not the person staring down the barrel. Hi-points are nice, I shot one in .380 and it was pretty smooth
I was hoping to get one in a .380 for a backup gun, to keep on my ankle. My uncle has a PPK for his backup which I think would be sweet, but you really can't beat the price of the Hi-Points.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I started out shooting pistols. So I would have to go with a 9mm or .45 pistol. My fav that I have right now is my .22, though.

[vlad tech]

first post has to much stuff in a zombie attack simplify

2 Handguns 9mm prefered
{NO MAGNUMS! i cant stress that enough}

Katana 200-150 fold preffered and yes i have 1 :evil:

rifle strapped to your back so it wont be a problem

shot guns are good with bird shots for big crowds

satchel with canned foods, water bottles, matches :)

[vlad tech]

um if your looking for something like that if zombies break out u can get in a gun shop and grab 1:drool:

[detpat]

shot guns with birdshot are not good for anything but birds. practical experience with shotguns dispel lots of myths. Patterns aren't much bigger than the diameter of the barrel for much greater distances than you think! birdshot has almost no penetration. parts and maintenance materials are a better bet than 2 pistols. carry extra ammo and mags.

Shotguns are heavy, slow reloads, heavy ammo, not accurate at longer distances and you are NOT gonna hit more than one target at room or alley ranges. I love my many shotguns and enjoy shooting them but they aren't a good choice for a stand alone SHTF weapon.

[Screwballgunnut]

My best weapon in the ZPAW is the same one I rely on for everything now. Well, what is it, smartass? My mind. Why? Simple, all the guns, knives & explosives in the world aren't worth a wet fart if you can't keep your wits about you, and keep from getting yourself knawed on.

My mind lets me adapt to the tools I have at hand. I am proficient enough with firearms that with one or two rounds of familiarization fire, I can adapt to almost any gun I locate while scavenging. I am handy enough with a blade that, in a pinch, I can use any blade I locate. Same with clubs and bludgeons. I'm also able to devise plans for escape and plans for laying traps. I have a basic knowledge of household chemicals to know which ones are useful in making IED's.

[Jimmy]

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/images/ssi/48342.jpg

It may not be pretty, but it's cheap. Between $150-230 depending on where you get it from. Made by Hi-Point Firearms, accuracy and performance are average, but at that price you could get like 2 or 3. Plus they have a Lifetime no-questions-asked warranty. Ive heard people say theyre ugly but they certainly get the job done.

You are better off throwing that gun at a person than shooting them with it. Hi-Points are such crap I wouldn't take a Hi-Point if someone offered it to me for free. I'm being 100% honest, spend the extra money and upgrade to a better gun. You won't regret it.

[mattifikation]

And I just have to ask.... why is it so ugly? Surely Hi-Point has done focus group studies, or gotten some e-mail, or at least heard the word on the street by now: Whoever is doing their aesthetic designs needs shot (preferably with something better looking that his/her own creations.)

I mean, shaping a chunk of material into something that looks like a gun grip doesn't cost more than shaping it to look like it's trying to be uglier than Flavor Flav. So why the eyesore?

I understand that looks aren't everything when it comes to guns, but marketing IS everything when it comes to selling a product. How do you market a turd with a gun slide?

[bandits1]

lol...it looks like a taser or one of those light-guns for video gaming. mattifikation is right: the designers have the power to style the gun any way they choose - why make it look retarded?

Same deal with this sickly-looking thing:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4242/fnfive71gr3.jpg
...it looks like a preschooler designed it. I couldn't believe my eyes when I first saw it in one of my dad's gun magazines. I threw up into my mouth a little bit. I'd be so ashamed to even pull it out of it's holster. When even zombies are pointing and laughing at you - what's the point in going on?

Sad. Save up a few hundred dollars more and get a decent looking gun.

[oatcake]

As living in the uk guns are not that available legally and then you have to go through police checks and it's a lot of legislation that entails the process of owning a gun.

But as my line of work i has access to firearms and my weapon of choice which i use all the time which is the Heckler & Koch MP7 submachine gun it fires a 4.6x30mm round and has a effective range about 200-250 metres. It a really good firearm more stopping power than a 9mm weapon such as an MP5. A really light weapon no kick to it at all holds a 20 round mag or a 40 round box mag. I carry 60 rounds on me at all times while at work so if the outbreak started i have a bit of a chance to fight of the undead until i go to the armory and get more.

But if i was at home and could not get to the armory i would have to rely on my cricket bat and a few kitchen knives which would be my downfall :scare:

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm a fan of revolvers. But in the ZPAW, I would rather have something that could hold more rounds and be quicker to reload. Though, when you run out of clips, in the end reloading is just as slow as the revolver.

[mattdettorre123]

Hi-points are not that bad, they do have odd proportions the grip is to skinny for the reciver thats why it looks funny.

Don't hate on the FN Five-Seven, those are really good guns. they look like something from a bad sci-fi but the military version can pierce like 5 layers of body armor. Which is good for stopping hostile take overs

[detpat]

without the AP ammo teh five seven is basically just a 22 magnum.

[mattifikation]

You know, that makes me wish they would just make a 9mm version of the P90...

[Hitman]

the slide on the high-point has to be so big for 2 reasons. one is weight , these guns are direct blowback (like most .22's ) using full size/power handgun rounds . the weight of the slide coupled with a very strong recoil spring is what keeps the breech closed long enough for the chamber pressure to lower enough so the case can be extracted. the extra weight also helps in the second reason , the slide neeeds mass for strength , its made from pot metal and to keep it from cracking it has to be many times as thick as a slide made from steel .

I went to the range yesterday and we were busting clays on a berm at 75 yards with our pistols (not every time mind you , but 60% or so) . I'm highly doubtfull that a high-point would be able to do that. like others have said , save up and get a good gun . I know my life and that of my family's is woth more than $110 .

[steve2071]

Zombies are here! Time to grab an AR15 and proceed to re-kill them!

[redskul83]

My buddy that's about 3 house down has a lot of weapons, I'd take his twin Katanas, and short 2 sided mini ax thing.

[Edit] He only has melee weapons.

[secretcog]

[wipes forehead with back of hand]

I'm armed, but with a limited surplus of ammo. Chance of a zombie attack...not so high. Chance of an infection similar to the virus in the movie 28 Days...plausible!

Realistically and logically speaking...I might get infected long before the population is informed of the threat. If I live..I fight. Anyone unarmed...get arms! How? Enlist your help...turn to your government. Orrr...run for the hills, confiscate whatever weapons you can (legally), and team up with a militia...preferably one that is government sponsered!

[beyerwrestler]

Id have my .357 ruger revolver which takes me bout 11 secs to reload but i have 4 quick reloads for it. Its easy for me to get to and i wouldnt be using it as my main weapon for long. As soon as id be able to get to my garage i could get my dads .36 deer hunting rifle (10 shot) I know its only a little more powerful that the ruger but itd be so i can take off zeds from a distance.It takes me about 15 secs to reload and chamber the first round.

[GunSlingerInferno]

I've read a High-Point instruction book, I was curious, and in it they recommend not stripping the pistol for cleaning, you have to clean them as well as you can from the muzzle and breach. Seems to me that it is a poor choice for any gun you need to depend on. Like others have said, don't get a High-Point. And I love Glocks, nothing wrong with a polymer frame.

[Trumble0]

I've read a High-Point instruction book, I was curious, and in it they recommend not stripping the pistol for cleaning, you have to clean them as well as you can from the muzzle and breach. Seems to me that it is a poor choice for any gun you need to depend on. Like others have said, don't get a High-Point. And I love Glocks, nothing wrong with a polymer frame.
I know this is blasphemy since I'm going to be a police officer next may... but... I don't care much for Glocks... I mean sure you can throw them out of planes and what not... and run them over... but to me they don't have the intimidating styling of most metal/alloy frame guns... although... of the Polymer guns I would have to say I like the looks of the Smith and Wesson M&P the best. And S&W is a reputable manufacturer

[GunSlingerInferno]

Nothing wrong with not liking a certain type of gun, I think that police should allow officers to carry whatever gun of a certain caliber they want, with exceptions, if they want to buy them. I love Glocks and am comfortable with them, but if you don't then see if you can carry something else, even if its just a back up.

[mattifikation]

I was under the impression that most law enforcement agencies have the "standard issue" gun that they give you, but you can choose to carry any gun you qualify with. I could be wrong, since I haven't ever asked a cop about it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Um, well I guess a police officer with a .44 magnum would be a lot more intimidating that one with a 9mm.

[mattifikation]

Frick yeah it would be.
I wouldn't hassle that dude.

"Oh yeah piggie piggie?! You got a warrant? Oh, you have a small cannon..? Well you go right ahead and search my rectum then!"

[JakAttak]

well it depends on were you are a cop some carry .45's some carry .357 specials. it all depends.

[Trumble0]

I know its not a zombie movie, but has anyone ever see the John Woo movie Hard boiled? I know people will tell me the disadvantages of Dual wielding, but I think it would be Pretty bad ass to Dual wield Tokarev TT Pistols like Chow Yun Fat did... although I'd certainly want the Never-ending clip like John Woo puts in all his films. That would get the job done on some zombies... With some slow motion diving while shooting... naturally :lol:

[Hitman]

I've accualy done that with quite a few different pistols. it helps to have 2 of the same pistols in the same caliber for it to work very well. some that I've tried it with

2 tarus 9mm's (my pt99 and my brothers PT92)
my 2 1911's
2 Tarus PT945's (mine and a friends)
my PT945 and my 1911
2 glock 19's (mine and a friends)
2 walther P22's (friends ,both with silencers)

it takes lots of practice (like shooting an 12" barreled 870 with a pistol grip) just to keep the 2 pistols from hitting each other and the slides from hitting your thumbs. hitting a target takes quite a bit more skill , but once mastered it brings an ungodly amount of damage onto one target in no time.

I might make a vid of it some when we goof off at the range some time.

[stark55]

i have a lot of close range weapons and can always make more but my guns are a bit lacking. my dad has an sks and a pellet rifle. i have a pellet rifle and a bb. rifle.(i dont think target pellets will kill zeds unless you hit a soft spot but the hunting pellets will do nicely with dads pellet gun as it has a good chunk of power and a good scope.)
when it comes to close range i have:
1 good machete
2 bad machetes
1 fantastic combat knife (good for;
: stabbing, slashing and hacking in my left hand)
1 carbon steel katona
4 throwing knives (for an emergency stab not for throwing.)
1 Gurkha (good for hacking with my right hand)
some other various knives and blunt weapons.

but if we were talking about the weapons i want than im going for:
2 45. 1911s
2 blades (shaped like a gladius but 3" wide, 20" long and 1/2" thick with a cross guard and a heavy pommel)
1 45. rifle or better carbine
(these would be placed on ether thigh with rifle in hand)

ill take any weapon i can get but finding a place with a good collection would be nice.

[beyerwrestler]

Well theres always a bat and monkey wrench in my truck. But if I was home id have my dads .357 Ruger Revolver and .22 Deer Rifle :drool:

[Trebek]

I've read a High-Point instruction book, I was curious, and in it they recommend not stripping the pistol for cleaning, you have to clean them as well as you can from the muzzle and breach. Seems to me that it is a poor choice for any gun you need to depend on. Like others have said, don't get a High-Point. And I love Glocks, nothing wrong with a polymer frame.

That right there should tell you everything folks. If you can't take it apart, the parts are not reliable.

Jesus.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Stark. That gurkhas, you said isn't what the weapon is called. Its called a Khukuri and the gurkhas used them.

[stark55]

Stark. That gurkhas, you said isn't what the weapon is called. Its called a Khukuri and the gurkhas used them.

i always wondered if i was getting that wrong. i used to have two friends who told me the opposite thing.

thx.

wait how do you say that

[Dave Of The Dead]

i always wondered if i was getting that wrong. i used to have two friends who told me the opposite thing.

thx.

wait how do you say that

khukuri (or Kukri)= "cookree" that's how you say it.
I have one custom made in Nepal.

[stark55]

that's cool mine is from the swap meet, my brother has one that's bigger than mine (i have a small model) i would plan on taking it if i was coming to this house but it couldn't fit in the straps on my boots.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Mine is about 10" long. I've chopped down a small tree with it. So yeah, its a good weapon to have.

[CryWolf]

i have a katana hanging up in my room and i intend to slice up the dead with it. it's got quite a long blade so i wouldn't need to get too close and risk being infected. but i'd probably get overwhelmed by a group of zombies so i'd need to find some sort of firearm ASAP.

but my katana would certainly be my first weapon.

[bandits1]

i have a katana hanging up in my room and i intend to slice up the dead with it. it's got quite a long blade so i wouldn't need to get too close and risk being infected. but i'd probably get overwhelmed by a group of zombies so i'd need to find some sort of firearm ASAP.

but my katana would certainly be my first weapon.
If you're close enough to use any melee weapon, you're close enough to get bit.

[Panther7]

I got to Say i am pretty prepared for this. I have a machete, a 1911, M1 carbine (not the stupid biker one with no stock) and a Remington Wingmaster Model 870 and 3 knives (one is a Antique).

I got to say also that i don't approve of dule weilding when it comes to zombie fighting.

[JakAttak]

antiques? don't that will hold up and knives don't have the range to be effective melee weapons.

[weresquirrel]

For a melee weapon I'm going to have to go Max Brooks Zombie Survival Guide and use a crowbar, but I would probably have a machete as well. Gun wise I would use a .22 pistol, light, a lot of ammo, with a silencer it is almost silent, and in most cases will not fully go through the head. Having a big gun that can blow them the crap out of any zombies would be great in a situation where you do not have to worry about dieing, but in a real life situation you have to be more practical. In case of a huge group of zombies I would also have a 12 gauge shot gun. May not kill them, but it will clear the way long enough for me to get out of any tight situations.

[JakAttak]

maybe a sawn off so it takes less space.

[Trumble0]

maybe a sawn off so it takes less space.

Instead of sawing the barrel really short, which will affect the shot pattern, why not just get one of these Mossberg 500 "Just-In-Case" shotguns, and keep the barrel 16-18" w/e your state allows, here in NY it has to be at least 18" the pistol grip would compensate by shortening the overall length... but you'd have to practice to get used to shooting a 12 gauge with a pistol grip.

http://discountgundealer.com/images/Moss500C2.jpg

[detpat]

skip the pistol grip, you need much more uncomfortable practice to be able to hit anything at all with those. if you absolutely must have a more compact shotgun you should get a folding stock. then you should always deploy the stock and fire the gun that way.

[Panther7]

also i forgot about my, tazer (not that it would do jack shit)

[mattifikation]

In Land of the Dead, an electric fence worked just fine on zombies. Tazers work by overloading the nervous system, which temporarily does the same thing that destroying the nervous system does permanently: It makes them stop.

Without the effect of pain, though, a zombie would probably recover faster and not show any aversion to a second tazering.

[stark55]

[wipes forehead with back of hand]

I'm armed, but with a limited surplus of ammo. Chance of a zombie attack...not so high. Chance of an infection similar to the virus in the movie 28 Days...plausible!

Realistically and logically speaking...I might get infected long before the population is informed of the threat. If I live..I fight. Anyone unarmed...get arms! How? Enlist your help...turn to your government. Orrr...run for the hills, confiscate whatever weapons you can (legally), and team up with a militia...preferably one that is government sponsered!

How do you leagaly confascate weapons? some one would have to do more than shoot me in the paw to get my weapons.

[stark55]

In Land of the Dead, an electric fence worked just fine on zombies. Tazers work by overloading the nervous system, which temporarily does the same thing that destroying the nervous system does permanently: It makes them stop.

Without the effect of pain, though, a zombie would probably recover faster and not show any aversion to a second tazering.

i think a strong tazer would be amazing for a short fix on a zed no permanant damage but a shock to the system may stop one from grabbing you or make them drop you. its worth trying but must be tested.

[mattifikation]

antiques? don't that will hold up and knives don't have the range to be effective melee weapons.

What, steel retires or something?

[JakAttak]

it's called rust and metal fatigue

[mattifikation]

Neither of which is a major problem if the blade is cared for properly and hasn't been used in a lot of contact applications.

[Panther7]

well it is. it's an old WW2 US paratrooper combat knife.

[Trumble0]

I'd like to pose a question... when choosing ammunition for your "Anti-Zed Weapon of Choice" would you go for ammo with maximum penetration/smaller wound channels ie. Full metal jackets, armor piercing, or would you opt for maximum size wound channels/less penetration ie. the plethora of hollowpoint varieties. And similarly if you chose shotguns... would you go with Slugs, or Buckshot... I strongly do not recommend anyone trying to kill a zombie with Birdshot, even the steel varieties... which route would you take and Why?

P.S. I just did some tidying up of my shooting supplies and decided to get rid of all the cardboard boxes and store the ammo in my ammo cans. I managed to fit 220 2-3/4 inch shells of 12 gauge ammo (stacked neatly) in an ammo can that is designed to hold 820 rounds of .223 so thats roughly 73% less ammo. But I prefer the power of the 12 gauge.

[mattifikation]

With bullets, it depends on the caliber. If I'm stuck with some .22 piece of shit, I'd prefer ones with more penetration.

For my 9mm, I'd prefer hollow points though. More brain scramblin' power, yeeehawww. For my 12 gauge, I'd prefer buckshot. Easier to hit things, and slugs are just way more power than you need for zombies.

[bandits1]

With bullets, it depends on the caliber. If I'm stuck with some .22 piece of shit, I'd prefer ones with more penetration.

For my 9mm, I'd prefer hollow points though. More brain scramblin' power, yeeehawww. For my 12 gauge, I'd prefer buckshot. Easier to hit things, and slugs are just way more power than you need for zombies.
Agreed. Zombies generally don't wear ballistic armor or helmets - unless they died with 'em already on - so no need for armor-piercing bullets.

[Dave Of The Dead]

What about hollow point .22? :lol:

[mattifikation]

Like I said, no. For the reason I gave.

[Panther7]

since you don't need to worry about causeing maximum "truma" from body shots you wouldent need soft anti personel rounds, so full metal jacket. and for shotgun i would take buckshot.

[mattifikation]

But you do need to cause maximum brain trauma. A bigger gray matter splatter is a deader zombie.

[Panther7]

thats why i wouldent go full armor pirceing.

[nilskidoo]

Before I was killed, I always slept with my size 12 and a half boots at arms length, and with a hammer under my pillow.
Unfortunately, I died away from home.

[stark55]

i would want a variety. nothing like versatility .

[Trumble0]

Im going with the M1 Garand, it has killed Nazis, Japanese infantry, Italian fascists, and the first Jaws... I think it boasts a very qualified resume :lol:

[Bob]

Hate to say it but a bunch of y'all are not making good choices.

For Zombies the mantra is High Capacity - Low Recoil.

[Trumble0]

If I had a say in the matter. I'd let Norinco Import their Models of M-14's .308 semi-autos, that are a steal. 350$ when the springfield ones go for over 1000$ But alas it is illegal for now. Or a Nice CETME, .308 battle rifle, basis of the HK 91 Platform. Theyre fed with box mags which can be higher capacity, and I don't think a .308 is a masochist round.

[mattifikation]

Hate to say it but a bunch of y'all are not making good choices.

For Zombies the mantra is High Capacity - Low Recoil.

You need to have a powerful enough bullet to be worth carrying in the first place. I have heard too many accounts of humans surviving self-inflicted .22 shots to the head. Even multiple shots.

I have heard a very, very limited number of stories of people living through the bigger calibers. Are three .22 bullets really lighter and more compact than one 9mm?

[Hitman]

You need to have a powerful enough bullet to be worth carrying in the first place. I have heard too many accounts of humans surviving self-inflicted .22 shots to the head. Even multiple shots.

I have heard a very, very limited number of stories of people living through the bigger calibers. Are three .22 bullets really lighter and more compact than one 9mm?


don't know about more compact (I'd say no) . here is some measurements I took a while back


just out of curosity I weighed 10,000 rounds of .22lr . it was just at 85 pounds . I then weighed one .22lr (remington subsonic) it was 50.3 gr , one round of 9mm ( 115gr monarch) it was 180gr , .45acp (230gr fmj ) was 329gr , 12ga 1oz slug was 658 , and 12 00 buck (winchester 9 pellet) was 700 gr, 5.57 m855 was 185gr , 7.62x39 123gr fmj was 252gr, .308 145gr fmj was 346gr , and 5.7X28 40gr V-max was 107gr .

[Bob]

You need to have a powerful enough bullet to be worth carrying in the first place. I have heard too many accounts of humans surviving self-inflicted .22 shots to the head. Even multiple shots.

I have heard a very, very limited number of stories of people living through the bigger calibers. Are three .22 bullets really lighter and more compact than one 9mm?

I said high capacity - low recoil.
Did I say 22?
I was referring to a Glock 17 and an AR.

I don't think I will need the power of my Glock 20 and my M1A.
Not that they are unmanageable but you get less shots per pound and have a higher recovery time.

[woody101]

either machete or hatchet
but if it was a rush it would be smashin bar

its a lump of metal i found in an alley with smashin bar written down the side.

[Trumble0]

Well, there was a gunshow here in Syracuse... so I figured I'd share with you all my first Semi-Auto gun purchase. She needs some bluing work... But I like her, shes a good project gun. She was 190$ for the aftermarket stock, the 40 round synthetic magazine and the 30 round metal magazine, both feel brand new, I need to break in the spring on them (any suggestions?) I have them both loaded right now, and ive been periodically loading and unloading them to try to give the spring a work out. I priced all the other SKS's and they were going for 240$ for the standard SKS without the 70$ aftermarket stock and the 40 round mags were going for 35$ and the 30 rounders were going for about 30$.

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-snc1/v322/241/91/1371150023/n1371150023_30092683_4705.jpg

I just loved all the stares I got carrying it around after I bought it while my buddy was filling out the NICS form for his Mosin 91-30. I heard the occasional "That's sweet." but the ones I loved the best were just the stares of shock and awe. Though I probably looked like I was up to no good, Jungle boots, and a black leather motorcycle jacket.:evil:

[Bob]

Fully load them, leave them for a week then go shoot a lot.

[JakAttak]

.223 right? I got a semi-auto my self not as bad-ass lookin' but reliable as hell only 20rnd mag though.

[Trumble0]

.223 right? I got a semi-auto my self not as bad-ass lookin' but reliable as hell only 20rnd mag though.

Nah, mines still the 7.62x39. Yeah, My mags are new and Ive never had much dealing with Hi-cap mags, so the guy told me both were 30 round mags... but I cannot believe the Polymer one is a 30 with how big it is... it actually looks like someone took a 30 round mag and molded another mag on it to make it a 50, The bottom lip of the mag stripped out, so I tossed some electrical tape on to hold it on, So shes a true Warrior jerry-rigged together :lol:. I have been able to fit 55 in it... so I think its probably a 50 round mag. It is supposedly pre-ban, but It must have been NIB Pre-ban.

[Bob]

Don't trust your life to a defective magazine.
Reserve it for range use only.

My Great Dane bit a G20 magazine causing the end cap to pop off and the rounds to go all over the floor. I sanded the teeth marks smooth and put the cap back on. What a testament to Glock reliability it still works, but I use it only at the range "better safe than sorry"

This is why I have 5 Glocks and 1 1911.

[Trumble0]

Don't trust your life to a defective magazine.
Reserve it for range use only.

My Great Dane bit a G20 magazine causing the end cap to pop off and the rounds to go all over the floor. I sanded the teeth marks smooth and put the cap back on. What a testament to Glock reliability it still works, but I use it only at the range "better safe than sorry"

This is why I have 5 Glocks and 1 1911.

Mag works fine, I just had to put electrical tape to keep the bottom covers from coming un-done... Still feeds fine, not a fan of it being Polymer though... feels rather chinsy... next time the gunshow is in the area I might have to get some more metal mags. Right now I have it full and sitting on one of my shelves where I keep my ammo cans... so Ill know if I got home in a few weeks and the bottom blew out that it wasnt a great fix, but it was holding up just fine... I went vertical strips acrossed the bottom then i wrapped around the girth of the mag like alot... the mag for being polymer still weighs 3 pounds when its fully loaded... But hopefully when i make it home again the spring will be worn in a little more.