Anti-Zed Weapon of Choice

[detpat]

I study Elizabethan period swordsmanship and rapier and dagger is my favorite form. while i think a rapier would do well for zeds, i think i would prefer something more along the cut and thrust lines for the extra utility of the edge.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I study Elizabethan period swordsmanship and rapier and dagger is my favorite form. while i think a rapier would do well for zeds, i think i would prefer something more along the cut and thrust lines for the extra utility of the edge.

But how do you expect a zombie to react to a thrust attack and where would you intend on aiming?

[homelitexl]

yeah a pin stripe suit and a thhompson machine gun would be cool.

[kiltedninja]

If I had to choose a suit, I'd go with the Joker's outfit, but not green and purple, but like, blue and white.

A thompson would still be awesome.

As for the thrust thing, I'd aim for the face. I'd prefer a spear to a rapier, since there's more power behind the thrust.

[homelitexl]

a thompson shoots a 45. bullet so yeah thats a pretty big round going through a zeds skull.

[hotlead]

BTW everybody, take the slings off your longarms if you can before going into buildings or getting close to Zs, they're a very convenient handle to grad a hold of.

[homelitexl]

wow i never thought of that

[kiltedninja]

I never thought about that one either.
I wouldn't use my Enfield for close quarters anyway, I'd find something shorter, or go with my CQC weapon, be it my 1911, or my machete.

Even though I have the M1A, I'd still go with my LE, I love that thing.

[detpat]

use a single point sling and attach the anchor end to your LBE or plate carrier.

[homelitexl]

well my gun of choice has not got a sling.

[bleahh]

I'd like to have a repeating crossbow and a crowbar. I'll face those zombies Gordon Freeman style!

[kiltedninja]

My weapon of choice is my Enfield. The weapons I'll probably have are my machete and my knife. I tie my knife to the pole in my backyard and I've got a spear.

[J Dub]

i live in the uk, no guns so wat about air and c02 rifles and pistols

thoughts:loon:

crikies and a prayer to the black and tan :drinking:

dude your country holds the one of the best weapons ever, prior to gunpowder being discovered.
look into long bows and cross bows and stock up on arrows, really really stock up on arrows.

practice, and you won't have as huge a loss of realized firepower.

eta. my choice would be my mia socomII over shoulder and my 1911 on my hip.

[kiltedninja]

Archery is an amazing skill to have. I have a bow, but no arrows(Long story). I'd appreciate a stronger bow, because I know how to make decent arrows.

So what about opportunity weapons? Stuff you could get in the unlikely event that you're unable to get to your primary weapon? Mine would have to be a bow.

[bandits1]

So what about opportunity weapons? Stuff you could get in the unlikely event that you're unable to get to your primary weapon? Mine would have to be a bow.
Mine would be another gun. Gonna be tough to destroy multiple zombie brains with bows and arrows.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Mine would be another gun. Gonna be tough to destroy multiple zombie brains with bows and arrows.

I've shot an arrow from 40 ft into the side of a horse trailer before and get about an inch of penetration. I was never able to do it again and it ruined my arrows.

[guinnessman]

I think for starters I'd go door to door since I live in an apartment complex and use my .22 LR ammo up on the not so friendly neighbors, and then whatever firearms and ammo I can get, load up one of the many trucks in the parking lot no more than 20 feet outside my door. Thats when I hit the road on a trip with my friend to the four military bases here in texas. Thats where the weaponry gets interesting. If I had nough time and space, I'd get an M24 and an M107 just for fun, but the first weapon I would grab is an M4 with a flashlight and red dot on it, and probably a scope in my drop leg pouch. I'd get some sort of shotgun on my back as a universal key, and 2 silenced pistols, either 1911s or M9s. From there it's just playing with the awesome gear there. :) I'd have 2 or 3 hacking blades for when I wanna go ninja, and a fairly long, but not excessively long, bladed knife for whatever you may need a knife for.

[kiltedninja]

But could you carry that all on you? Plus ammunition? How about adding other gear to that? Like food? Water is heavy stuff. Now a sleeping bag? Tent Possibly?

You have to take into account the weight of all your gear, traveling light is best, but how light is the question?

Personally, I'd want two firearms, my Enfield and my 1911, my machete, and my knife. That's my entire set of weapons. I could kick a door in, which is quieter than a shotgun. If the door opened outward, I could break a window, still quieter than a shotgun.

If weight were no issue, I'd take an M79, H&K417, my Lee Enfield Mk.4, two Browning HPs, a claymore, A Dirk, and a Sgian Dubh. And I'd have a thousand rounds for each gun, and one hundred grenades for the M79.

[hotlead]

Ya' know, there are 40mm shotshell rounds for the M79, M203, and Mk19. I think its OO buck with 55 or 60 pellets, a belt of that in a Mk19 from an elevated position would take a lot of stenches.
:machgun2:__________________________________:zom2: :zom2::zom1::zom2::zom1::zom2::zom2:

[CAVU45]

I think for starters I'd go door to door since I live in an apartment complex and use my .22 LR ammo up on the not so friendly neighbors, and then whatever firearms and ammo I can get, load up one of the many trucks in the parking lot no more than 20 feet outside my door. Thats when I hit the road on a trip with my friend to the four military bases here in texas. Thats where the weaponry gets interesting. If I had nough time and space, I'd get an M24 and an M107 just for fun, but the first weapon I would grab is an M4 with a flashlight and red dot on it, and probably a scope in my drop leg pouch. I'd get some sort of shotgun on my back as a universal key, and 2 silenced pistols, either 1911s or M9s. From there it's just playing with the awesome gear there. :) I'd have 2 or 3 hacking blades for when I wanna go ninja, and a fairly long, but not excessively long, bladed knife for whatever you may need a knife for.

OMG!! That's so funny!!! You did mean that as a joke didn't you? Also just to clue you in before Darkness does, we don't talk about killing living human beings here.

[hotlead]

That sounds like a good plan to me, especially the part about getting all that hardware from military bases, 'cause you know nobody is gonna have that same idea, and nobody at those bases will be using those weapons so they'll just be lying around with loads of ammo and you'll be able to collect them totally unchallenged.

[homelitexl]

an atom bomb is my choice

[Noc]

I think an AA-12 combat shotgun with grenade rounds would be pretty nice
but thats just from watching future weapons, so all you gun scientists will probably laugh at me....well it looked good!

[CAVU45]

That sounds like a good plan to me, especially the part about getting all that hardware from military bases, 'cause you know nobody is gonna have that same idea, and nobody at those bases will be using those weapons so they'll just be lying around with loads of ammo and you'll be able to collect them totally unchallenged.

Would you put a flashlight and a red dot on the guns you found? Gotta have the red dot. You know that you can't shoot a gun without the red dot...And the flashlight. Can't forget that. The flashlight illuminates everything so you can see the red dot better. It also makes it easier to see all that extra ammo just laying around those military bases just waiting for you to pick up.

[CAVU45]

I think an AA-12 combat shotgun with grenade rounds would be pretty nice
but thats just from watching future weapons, so all you gun scientists will probably laugh at me....well it looked good!

Future weapons, eh. Believe half of what you see on that show.

[Noc]

Future weapons, eh. Believe half of what you see on that show.

yeah i know i took it with a grain of salt:drool:
id probably go with an M4 Carbine ..maybe with a m203 attached

[Bob]

If you like the AA you should check out the Saiga-12.
Do not underestimate this shotgun.
They are not full auto unless you convert them to be so.
As a civilian you cannot own an AA unless you are a dealer, Hitman can tell you more about that...

You can however own a Saiga-12 and a twenty round drum magazine.
They come in to this country all ****ed up, you must do a bit of work to restore them to their AK heritage. It is not hard, I have done one with a dremel and a couple of hand tools. I am going to be doing another one in a couple of weeks. Easy to do, all it takes is a bit of time.

My Saiga will shoot anything from bird shot to 3" magnums.
The AA is kool but I cannot own one.
Here is a clip of a S-12 that has been converted to full auto.
Oh by the way as a civilian you cannot have a full auto version of this either.
You can get 5, 8, 10, 12, and 20 round mags for them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaLLj-XbQRY

[CAVU45]

yeah i know i took it with a grain of salt:drool:
id probably go with an M4 Carbine ..maybe with a m203 attached

Good! I was amazed that a supposed former SeAL would be extolling the virtues of equipment that the military had tested and had failed. Dragonskin body armor is one example. I saw the show where he was gushing praise all over it and Soldiers and Marines were buying the stuff based on his review only to find out, after getting downrange, that it didn't work like he said it would. The Army actually made a point of telling Soldiers not to wear Draginskin armor specifically and this was at the time when people were ragging on the Interceptor armor and pointing out its weaknesses. I think shows like Future Weapons do a disservice to people, especially warfighters by not doing full reviews of weapons and equipment.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Good! I was amazed that a supposed former SeAL would be extolling the virtues of equipment that the military had tested and had failed. Dragonskin body armor is one example. I saw the show where he was gushing praise all over it and Soldiers and Marines were buying the stuff based on his review only to find out, after getting downrange, that it didn't work like he said it would. The Army actually made a point of telling Soldiers not to wear Draginskin armor specifically and this was at the time when people were ragging on the Interceptor armor and pointing out its weaknesses. I think shows like Future Weapons do a disservice to people, especially warfighters by not doing full reviews of weapons and equipment.

Yeah, we make hundreds of military technological advances every year... and yet, we still end up supplying the same guns to soldiers for about 20 years. There's a reason why we don't see soldiers running around with the latest and greatest technologies: they still need refined. And by the time they get all the kinks out, theres something else that just came out of the workshop to replace it. Its a never ending cycle that just leads back to us using the good ol' tried and tested technologies that have served us the best in the past.

[kiltedninja]

I'm going with a rifle that was designed before the AK was even a thought. Maybe before Mikhail Kalashnikov was even a thought, I'm not sure when he was born.

The Lee Enfield wouldn't be good up close, but that's what I have my 1911 for.

Though I might try carrying my M1A, since it has better range and ammo capacity.

Sounds like a good trade off, a little more weight for more ammo and accuracy. Plus if I don't bring it, then it defeats the purpose of going to California to get more magazines from Hotlead. Except my best friend needs a gun, so he can have the M1A. Can I bring a friend Hotlead?

[hotlead]

If he can tie his shoes and pull a trigger, then he's welcome too.

[bandits1]

I'm going with a rifle that was designed before the AK was even a thought. Maybe before Mikhail Kalashnikov was even a thought, I'm not sure when he was born.

The Lee Enfield wouldn't be good up close, but that's what I have my 1911 for.

Though I might try carrying my M1A, since it has better range and ammo capacity.

Sounds like a good trade off, a little more weight for more ammo and accuracy. Plus if I don't bring it, then it defeats the purpose of going to California to get more magazines from Hotlead. Except my best friend needs a gun, so he can have the M1A. Can I bring a friend Hotlead?
Are you saying you'd chose your Enfield over an M4 if one were avaliable?

[bleahh]

If there is a horde of zeds an auto shotgun like that in left 4 dead is a good idea. What do you guys think?

[Dave Of The Dead]

If there is a horde of zeds an auto shotgun like that in left 4 dead is a good idea. What do you guys think?

If you can find one, maybe. Remember, survivors won't be leaving loaded guns on tables with plenty of ammo to boot for other survivors to find along the way. Most guns are great in theory, but can you get an automatic shotgun, rifle, or uzi where you live? Probably not. Can you modify one to do so? Sure if you want to break a gvt law. I think a regular pump shotgun will do just fine if not better. The good ones like the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag will take pretty much any shell you can find if its the right gauge.

[guinnessman]

I apologize. I 100% did not mean I'd shoot my neighbors before they turn. obviously you guys did'nt catch the zombie hint there. I'm so sorry, that was not what I meant. I don't plan to be unchallenged, but surely they can spare a couple of guns, and I'm planning on loading up a truck with this stuff. Water, sleeping bag, food, AMMO. All of the above will fit nice and tidey in to the truck that I said I'd take. The military bases are a long shot.... I really don't know where I'd take shelter... maybe pull a RE 3 and hit the road to alaska, but seeing as how we're talking about a zombie apocolypse everything mentioned is completely conditional considering so many different factors. But back on the subject of how I'd carry the stuff, I'd have a hydro pack on the back of my vest. On the front, and this is only if I don't upgrade my vest soon, I'd have 3 M4/G36/2 (and thats a 2 mags in one pouch) P90 mag holders. Then I have my cross draw pistol pouch, with 3 mag pouches for it. My gun is the big question mark. I like my .22, but I hate having to cycle a bolt. I think if the military bas road trip is out of the question then I go dawn of the dead and take over the north east mall with my dad, where they have a Dicks sporting goods with all the shotguns and rifles you could want. And lotsa ammo. But, yet again, the mall will probabaly be a little packed....

[guinnessman]

If you can find one, maybe. Remember, survivors won't be leaving loaded guns on tables with plenty of ammo to boot for other survivors to find along the way. Most guns are great in theory, but can you get an automatic shotgun, rifle, or uzi where you live? Probably not. Can you modify one to do so? Sure if you want to break a gvt law. I think a regular pump shotgun will do just fine if not better. The good ones like the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag will take pretty much any shell you can find if its the right gauge.

I think the dude meant a semi-auto shotgun. There is no full auto shotugn in left 4 dead, unless theres a mod or a glitch or something I have'nt found. A semi-auto 12 gauge would be nice.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think the dude meant a semi-auto shotgun. There is no full auto shotugn in left 4 dead, unless theres a mod or a glitch or something I have'nt found. A semi-auto 12 gauge would be nice.

I'm pretty sure the shotgun you pick up along side the hunting rifle and M16 is automatic, though it can fire faster if you shoot semi-auto. Either way, its unrealistic and impractical.

[GamingMaiden]

Assault Rifle for the basics. If I really wanted to be outlandish and gruesome...chainsaw. :)

[Gentech Oasis]

This is it baby. The ultimate zombie stopper.

Gentech Oasis. .22 caliber SUPPRESSED Ruger Mark Three. Silent and zero felt recoil. Time on target is non existent.

Who cares about stopping power. If you dont hit them in the head its meaningless anyways. I own one of these babies. If you hold the action still and you use subsonic ammunition you cant hear it fire!!!:mrgreen:

[CAVU45]

Not worried about stopping power? Then throw a rock. You'll get about the same result as you would from a subsonic .22lr, unless you get really, really close. I own a Ruger 22/45 bull barrel (basically a Mk III) and know how it shoots. That's why I my carry pistols are in .45ACP.

[homelitexl]

i used to own a 45. pistol but i gave it to someone for there b day.

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

my anti-zed weapon of choice weapon of choice would be my machete or my samurai sword because blades do not need to be reloaded

[kiltedninja]

Sharpened, oiled, and washed, but not reloaded.

A katana is a lot more work than most people think. They were known as a great cutting tool, but that edge will go away quick if you don't care for the blade properly.

[Gemtech Oasis]

I thought Id posted here already...

Stopping power isnt an issue with zombies. If you dont hit them in the head youre wasting ammunition. Because of that I'll take a suppressed Ruger 10/22 and two suppressed Ruger mark three hand guns. Add to that a high cap Glock 22 and Im ready for war!:mrgreen:

[guinnessman]

I'm pretty sure the shotgun you pick up along side the hunting rifle and M16 is automatic, though it can fire faster if you shoot semi-auto. Either way, its unrealistic and impractical.

It's not an automatic. Sorry, I played the game last weekend, and that was my weapon of choice, and I know for a fact it's not automatic. But a semi-auto shotgun is very realistic, I've held and shot a few myself.

[CAVU45]

my anti-zed weapon of choice weapon of choice would be my machete or my samurai sword because blades do not need to be reloaded

Very true. Conversely, blades can't hit a target at 20 yards.

[homelitexl]

well i would give the retarded a ball peen hammer and send them out to attack the zeds. there the perfect army and im sure zeds wont eat retards.

[hotlead]

That's real nice.:loon:

[mattifikation]

So you should be fine, then?

[Bob]

Cough Cough
Not going to take that are you Homelite?:)

[J Dub]

well i would give the retarded a ball peen hammer and send them out to attack the zeds. there the perfect army and im sure zeds wont eat retards.

you sure got a purdy smile, can you squeal like a pig?

you are a class act pal.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/c0218307ece0.jpg

[kiltedninja]

My friend wants me to do a banjo solo at the next concert he plays.

[Bob]

Beware!
If I hear banjo music someone is going to die!

Just like if I was in a tent and heard some animal / monster / crazed lunatic outside the tent WATCH OUT!
There will be lead a flying!

Screw that waiting to be grabbed.
Screw the flap that where they expect you, slash the tent.
Get the frack out and hose the area with lead.

[kiltedninja]

Shoot through the tent at whatever's outside.

[homelitexl]

Cough Cough
Not going to take that are you Homelite?:)

i wont they just wait til z day ill lock them out of home depot and laugh.

[mattifikation]

What if the thing outside the tent is somebody coming back from a midnight pee?

Don't shoot until you know what it is!

[J Dub]

What if the thing outside the tent is somebody coming back from a midnight pee?

Don't shoot until you know what it is!

yuppers. gun safety 101. know your target and whats behind it.

eta. you don't need to worry whats behind it if your shooting .22 though:-P

[mattifikation]

If all you have is a .22 you barely have to worry about what's in *front* of your target. :-p

Okay... I exaggerate.

[homelitexl]

screw the 22. get a 12 ga. sawn off and the whole area will fall apart or better yet a blunderuss.

[Bob]

Imagine for a moment if you will, if Zombies were killed by the same methods as werewolves. A shotgun loaded with silver pellets would rule. But why is it when there are movies with professional werewolf exterminators none of them ever think to use caltrops? They can be thrown or just dropped. Last time I looked werewolves never ever wear shoes when in their transformed state.

[homelitexl]

or shoot silver nails out of a nailgun at them.

[Bob]

Homelite

The problem with that is getting electricity or compressed air while on the run.
But over and above those problems it would rock.

[Darkness]

"Ok, enough about Werewolves, back to Zombies please." :roll:

[CAVU45]

I thought this thread was about firearms, not zombies? :doh:

[Darkness]

"Yes, Firearms and Zombies, not Firearms and Werewolves." ;-) :lol:

[CAVU45]

How about zombie werewolves? Don't know how that whole changing under the full moon thing would work though...

[Birdman44]

How about zombie werewolves? Don't know how that whole changing under the full moon thing would work though...

Gunna need headshots with silver bullets for those messes :drool:

[homelitexl]

a mauser karibiner98 rifle.

[kiltedninja]

I'd use silver ninja stars.

But back to my anti-zed weapon of choice...Could anyone imagine a 12ga. sawn off with slugs? That would knock some Sh-t down.

[Bob]

How about a Saiga-12 with a 20 round drum loaded with slugs.
Fully loaded that's over a pound of lead.

That would mess up a zombie even if you didn't hit him in the head.
I suspect he would become a dragger after the first center mass hit.

Saiga-12 = Lead Delivery System.

[J Dub]

How about a Saiga-12 with a 20 round drum loaded with slugs.
Fully loaded that's over a pound of lead.

That would mess up a zombie even if you didn't hit him in the head.
I suspect he would become a dragger after the first center mass hit.

Saiga-12 = Lead Delivery System.

i call'em ak's on juice :)

[kiltedninja]

i call'em ak's on juice :)

I call 'em a doomsday device.

[Zombie opressor]

m1 carbine i mean am i the only one who read the zombie survival guide

[kiltedninja]

Man, you can't take that book word for word. The M1 Carbine would be a good gun, but there's better ones out there. Like for example, a body will decay fully in a matter of a few weeks if left out to rot. A body that's dead, not taking in nutrients and still functioning, the muscles will break down and the body will cease to function. Even a preservative like formaldehyde wouldn't keep a body from breaking down from muscle usage.

[hotlead]

No, but you're the only one taking every word as zombie killing gospel.

Brooks doesn't know too much about firearms in my opinion, or offensive/defensive tactics for individuals or small units. He recommends you carry only 50rds for your Carbine, that's only one box, less than 4 mags(15rd) for an M1 Carbine and a lot less than the basic load for any longarm.

Also, IIRC he says to carry all your equipment in a backpack, making sure you have to stop, take off your pack, and dig out ammo, water, and other neccessaries instead of pulling stuff out of an LBV or war belt on the move and not wasting time.

The M1 Carbine is a good little rifle that will do the job nicely, but there are better ones that have come out since 1941. Brooks makes lots of good suggestions, but don't rely on just one source of info, look around at other places and learn about what's going on there. The stuff you learn about and practice will benefit you in other ways besides the uprizing of zombies.

There are some folks here that have real world experience doing this sort of thing, except the zombies were better organized and shooting back, that have insights that are very helpful.

[Birdman44]

Not to mention he is extremely biased against the M16 style rifles. If one was to follow the book word for word they would be even moreso lucky if they lived througha zombie invasion. I don't have any experience with an m1 carbine, but i do with a .22 (i realize they are nothing alike). However I have a question, has anyone tested a .22lr for lethality at certain ranges? If so i would like to see the results so I can know whether to bring it or not if the :poo: hits the fan.

[hotlead]

Your .22 is better than a sharp stick, bring it along if it's all you have, it'll be useful for something. But almost anything bigger would be preferable.

[CAVU45]

What Hotlead said. There's a reason the venerable little .22lr isn't used in combat.

Max Brookes is an entertaining fiction writer, but that's about it. He wrote a good ficiton book. But that's about it. To his credit he doesn't claim to be an expert and he shouldn't be taken as one.

[Xombie11]

this is probably a dumb question but would an air rifle be any good?

[homelitexl]

no and a 22. mag is the smallest i would use i killed deer with one at 50yds once.

[Birdman44]

this is probably a dumb question but would an air rifle be any good?

I have two air rifles, and the answer is no, one cant penetrate plywood from 10 ft, the other can't penetrate it from point blank. Not to mention they become wildly innacurate past around 30 yds.

[Dave Of The Dead]

And air rifle is probably worse than throwing rocks. I've been shot numerous times with an air rifle... I'm still here I think.

[homelitexl]

i shot my friends cousins minivan with my 22. mag today.

[Godzilla_Rules]

i just love how this forum is so serious about zombies which has never and will never exist in real life lol very little movie talk it seems

well anyways i went for a rifle. blow their brains out and be done with it i say!

[Bob]

If you want to discuss the movies go for it.
Which movie what part?

[Darkness]

i just love how this forum is so serious about zombies which has never and will never exist in real life lol very little movie talk it seems

well anyways i went for a rifle. blow their brains out and be done with it i say!

"We have TONS of Movie Threads, they just aren't in the Undead Survival & Defense Section." :lol:

[J Dub]

not listed but man would it be a blast.

ever see predator, the mini gun and backpack/magazine jesse ventura carried was the shiznit. you would have to have some jam to hump that much around, but with that type of firepower, you will have a nice leisurely stroll :lol:

[Birdman44]

What Hotlead said. There's a reason the venerable little .22lr isn't used in combat.

Max Brookes is an entertaining fiction writer, but that's about it. He wrote a good ficiton book. But that's about it. To his credit he doesn't claim to be an expert and he shouldn't be taken as one.

The Isrealis actually had a suppressed 10/22 that they had used originally for shooting protest leaders in the legs as less than lethal rounds, until they found out it was more lethal than they had expected and so they used it for killing pests, such as dogs, before an operation in a neighborhood. I know it can kill but I want to find what range my 10/22 can kill zeds from. If its 50 yds I'll take it no doubt it would be good for room clearing I'de think.

[J Dub]

I know it can kill but I want to find what range my 10/22 can kill zeds from. If its 50 yds I'll take it no doubt it would be good for room clearing I'de think.

may be 100 yards, may be 25 yards or may be it will be a flesh wound. i don't know where people get the idea a .22 is good for anything larger than small vermin.
clearing rooms with a 10/22 ain't going to happen in this reality.

but a mall ninja might save you :lol:

[homelitexl]

it wont but a 22. mag will

[bandits1]

The Isrealis actually had a suppressed 10/22 that they had used originally for shooting protest leaders in the legs as less than lethal rounds, until they found out it was more lethal than they had expected and so they used it for killing pests, such as dogs, before an operation in a neighborhood. I know it can kill but I want to find what range my 10/22 can kill zeds from. If its 50 yds I'll take it no doubt it would be good for room clearing I'de think.
You'd use a long-rifle that fires an underpowered round in a situation where extremly close-contact in relatively tight-quarters is a high probability? That's illogical.

[Birdman44]

You'd use a long-rifle that fires an underpowered round in a situation where extremly close-contact in relatively tight-quarters is a high probability? That's illogical.

My 10/22 is quite compact and may be excellent for room clearing just as long as the .22lr can blast through a head. which it can within 10yds... Not to mention i have a 50rd mag for it (as well as a few 10 rd mags) whats to say it wouldn't be good? As long as I have a backup in case of a misfire, but that could happen with any gun, not to mention that "underpowered" round is not loud at all so it wont wake any zeds across the street and is extremely easy for follow up shots with minimal recoil... So it may be even more than logical to consider a 10/22 for room clearing.. Just don't use subsonic rounds.

[CAVU45]

No one is saying the .22lr can't kill. The problem is in consistancy. Can it consistantly, every time, do what it's being asked to do. I have serious doubts that it can. I've seena total of one article on the Ruger "sniper rifle" with no corroborating evidence to suggest it's true. And if true, what were the ranges involved. If it was being used as a anti-riot device then the ranges are considerably less than one would assume for a true sniper. Also not answered were how many deaths per rounds expended, the age of the victims, the ranges they were shot from.....

[Birdman44]

Yes, it was probably a much smaller distance than a regular sniper, I'm not saying it wasn't. But there is reason to believe a .22lr will be effective everytime within 10yds. Especially the higher powered .22lr's. I'll try and find whether it can or not, my guess is that it can though. It probably wont kill every time past a certain range, no rifle will past its limits. The problem is finding the .22lr's limit.

[J Dub]

But there is reason to believe a .22lr will be effective everytime within 10yds. Especially the higher powered .22lr's. The problem is finding the .22lr's limit.

dude seriously. leave the .22s at home unless you have nothing else for a firearm.
effective everytime???? wtf. do you really even own a gun. the .22 is the most unreliable cartridge out there next to black powder and caps. how many box's have you fired with dud's?? i have yet to see any reports or posts anywhere on the effectiveness of a .22 on a skull of zombie deminisions, other than that of being unreliable at best.

it is great to have a opinion, but dude...seriously.:x

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, .22 is ridiculously unreliable. I have gone through a consistent 2/6 duds while plinking with my .22 revolver.

[kiltedninja]

My friend had a .22 automatic pistol, the gun is good, but the round sucks. Anyway, there was so many duds in that box of ammo, I think that we had like ten out of 100.

a .22lr is not my weapon of choice. If that's what I had, I'd go with something more reliable like a sharp stick or a rock. I'd keep the .22 on hand for hunting small game, or shooting windows out, but I wouldn't use it as a weapon.

[bleahh]

Yes they suck. In fact all guns suck. Way too noisy. For me I prefer the repeating crossbow. Silent, deadly, semi auto fire... Or a blade...

[bandits1]

Yes they suck. In fact all guns suck. Way too noisy. For me I prefer the repeating crossbow. Silent, deadly, semi auto fire... Or a blade...
Can you post a link to where one can purchase a "repeating" crossbow?

[CAVU45]

For me I prefer the repeating crossbow. Silent, deadly, semi auto fire...

A semi auto firing crossbow? This I've got to see. Show us where we can get them. Hell, I'd trade my Bushmaster M4 for something like that.

[Darkness]

Can you post a link to where one can purchase a "repeating" crossbow?
"Better yet, post it in this thread." :)
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15752



"As for Blades, those are in this one."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15751

"Enjoy!" :)

[homelitexl]

My friend had a .22 automatic pistol, the gun is good, but the round sucks. Anyway, there was so many duds in that box of ammo, I think that we had like ten out of 100.

a .22lr is not my weapon of choice. If that's what I had, I'd go with something more reliable like a sharp stick or a rock. I'd keep the .22 on hand for hunting small game, or shooting windows out, but I wouldn't use it as a weapon.

some rands of ammo are that way for my ruger but the walmart rounds ive had only 1 out of 50 not work and it ussually just jammed instead of being a dud

[kiltedninja]

A semi auto firing crossbow? This I've got to see. Show us where we can get them. Hell, I'd trade my Bushmaster M4 for something like that.

If you're serious, I'll get you a repeating crossbow.:lol:

[CAVU45]

I wasn't serious, but I'd still like to see one.

[Birdman44]

dude seriously. leave the .22s at home unless you have nothing else for a firearm.
effective everytime???? wtf. do you really even own a gun. the .22 is the most unreliable cartridge out there next to black powder and caps. how many box's have you fired with dud's?? i have yet to see any reports or posts anywhere on the effectiveness of a .22 on a skull of zombie deminisions, other than that of being unreliable at best.

it is great to have a opinion, but dude...seriously.:x

It all depends on the maker of the ammo. I've shot remingtons that had duds every ten shots. But my dad had this old box of .22's that never misfired at all. And the reason we haven't seen reports on the effectiveness is that no one had tested it yet. I'm not saying i would take it, I have much better firearms, but it is definately a logical choice for room clearing.. Don't get pissy over nothing man. It is a logical choice, maybe not practical but definately logical.

[J Dub]

I have much better firearms, but it is definately a logical choice for room clearing.. Don't get pissy over nothing man. It is a logical choice, maybe not practical but definately logical.

pissy, not me dude, its your arse not mine. i have fired many brands of ammo, remmy, winny, federal cci etc etc. the cci match rounds are by far the most reliable but also have a low velocity. there are far too many trade offs with the .22 to consider it as a defensive role, especially when there is access to other better suited weapons.
from your take on logic i conclude that, logically speaking you don't know much about clearing a room.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/65x5a7luxjll.gif

[guinnessman]

Just use an M203 for clearing the room. :evil:

[homelitexl]

or get a bag of crack and some crackheads give the crackhead a spoon throw the bag of crack in the room and let them fight the zeds over it.:lol:

[Birdman44]

pissy, not me dude, its your arse not mine. i have fired many brands of ammo, remmy, winny, federal cci etc etc. the cci match rounds are by far the most reliable but also have a low velocity. there are far too many trade offs with the .22 to consider it as a defensive role, especially when there is access to other better suited weapons.
from your take on logic i conclude that, logically speaking you don't know much about clearing a room.



No, I don't know much about clearing rooms, I haven't been in the military yet or anything else. The box of ammo my father got me was hyper velocity ammo and only misfired once for him and that was out of at least one thousand. You're absolutely right there are trade offs with the .22lr, but as an offensive weapon in short range, im sure the trade off isn't as bad as it would be at a bigger range. Ranges past 30yds I wouldn't dare to use it on zeds, but if I find anything about its effectivness up close ill let you know.

[disturbed12404]

in that event i would grab all meat knifes (step dads a meat manager)
throw them in a bag and get all the guns out the cabinet (10) and the bow [:

and all the ammo :x

[Darkness]

in that event i would grab all meat knifes (step dads a meat manager)
throw them in a bag and get all the guns out the cabinet (10) and the bow [:

and all the ammo :x

"This thread is about What Weapon(s) you would prefer to have, when fighting the Zombies. The 'What will you do' and 'Where will you go' threads are seperate. Please keep on topic." ;-)

[The Voice Of Desperation]

I'd Want a scoped hunting bow. I'm a pretty good shot and they're very silent.

[Birdman44]

A hunting bow might turn out being effective at first, but i'de watch out with the arrows theyre much harder to make than a bullet. And they don't last forever, hell I shot a deer last season and it split my arrow in half. And that was in the chest. Imagine what the skull might do to it? If you want a scope for a hunting bow, maybe try a cross bow they offer more accuracy and can be equipped with scopes or any other sight.

[The Voice Of Desperation]

Thanks for the suggestion. A good hunting bow (A modern 4 pulley one) can shoot trough a tree trunk though so I think it could punch through a skull.(It also depends on the arrow, a obsidian tipped,serrated arrow is practically unstoppable when it comes to an messy kill though it can't match a modern day sniper rifle in terms of penetration) But your right about the ammo arrows aren't massively produced like bullets are.

[kiltedninja]

Obsidian isn't very hard. I used to have a knife that one of my Native American buddies made for me, it was obsidian, razor sharp, but it was like glass. Serrated is the only option for obsidian, since you'll not be getting a smooth edge on it, it doesn't sand very well. It's a good material if you live in a volcanic region, but pretty rare otherwise.

I'd go with something a little more lead shaped, unless a bow is your only or best option. I'd prefer something a little more rifle shaped.

[Noc]

Obsidian is volcanic glass, i woudn't have thought those arrows wouldnt last very long at all...but then again i've never been hunting so don't listen to me

[J Dub]

Obsidian is volcanic glass, i woudn't have thought those arrows wouldnt last very long at all...but then again i've never been hunting so don't listen to me

being obsidian would make them fragile, also sharp as shat. with a arrow tipped with this you would have to adopt the "one shot, one kill" and go snipe with it :lol:

[Tomeh]

A katana... some kinda rifle... a pistol for just in case.. lots of ammo, oh and strap myself with C4 for when im screwed.

[Bob]

Tomeh
Don't forget your light saber, it's in it's bantha skin case right under the C-4.

[homelitexl]

which is right next to the holey hand grenade and the nazi particle accelerator

[guinnessman]

Yeeeeeeeeeah, but the holy hand grenade has a slow fuse, ESPECIALLY if you miscount. :lol:

[TeeK]

Bombs and traps. they take time and effort and supplies; but they work great and are sooo much fun.:evil:

[kiltedninja]

I'd go to my friend's house, if he wasn't home, I'd go through his secret compartment in the floor, which I can get into from outside, at this time, I'd get his .45 (1911 and seven magazines) and maybe his AK(temp weapon, until I could get my hands on a real rifle.)

[Rican]

This is where you can tell people what your perfect asenal against the legions of undead that will more than likely take over list should include

Melee weapon/Ninjato
Side Arm/45cal revolver
Primary Weapon/Thompson submachine gun
Optinal silent weapon/Crossbow



Now tell me what you would have

[J Dub]

This is where you can tell people what your perfect asenal against the legions of undead that will more than likely take over list should include

Melee weapon/Ninjato
Side Arm/45cal revolver
Primary Weapon/Thompson submachine gun
Optinal silent weapon/Crossbow



Now tell me what you would have

none of which you listed unfortunately:-(

melee weapon for me- long sword (heavy, works good dull, length)
side arm-1911A1 .45acp (its perfect, 45acp in a revolver needs moon clips)
primary weapon- m1a socomII (saving for a ar to save weight)
optional silent weapon- plain old fashioned bow (ease and speed) although i have not really put much thought into a silent weapon :think:

[kiltedninja]

A Ninjato is little better than a katana if you don't know how to use it Rican, and if you don't know how to use a katana, you'll destroy it.

Melee weapon: Machete & OKC3S
Secondary weapon: Colt 1911
Primary weapon: H&K 416
Optional Silent weapon: Bow, something I've got too long without shooting, and I miss it.

[Faran Brigo]

I'd go to my friend's house, if he wasn't home, I'd go through his secret compartment in the floor, which I can get into from outside, at this time, I'd get his .45 (1911 and seven magazines) and maybe his AK(temp weapon, until I could get my hands on a real rifle.)

An AK is not a real rifle? ha ha ha oh wow :lol:

Ideal, but not what I would have:


melee: Modernized tomahawk
sidearm: Glock 18
main: M-14/M-21 rifle
silent: that's what the tomahawk's for.

[The Voice Of Desperation]

Melee: A hatchet of some sort
side arm: Uzi (I know it's stupid but I've loved these things ever since I've played L4D)
Main: A scoped hunting rifle
Silent: Crossbow

[Bob]

There are lots of people who were shot by guys wear pajamas that would argue that an AK IS a real rifle.

It is not a battle rifle but it is a real assault rifle.

[mattifikation]

Well, this is what I've got:


Melee - Crowbar
Sidearm - Springfield XD 9mm
Main - A cheap AK47 clone
Silent - Uh.. back to you, crowbar!

But this is what I want:

Melee - Collapsable Stun Baton
Sidearm - Springfield XD 9mm with a silencer
Main - Select-fire MP5 with a silencer
Silent - Gee, I wonder. Hehe.

[kiltedninja]

I should say that I'm extremely biased when it comes to the rifles I feed my lead to. I acknowledge the AK as a formidable weapon, but I'd prefer a weapon with something that can accurately shoot at my max range of 150 yds. I prefer my Lee Enfield.

Matt, have you checked out the site that I posted previously for the batons?

[mattifikation]

I haven't. I never saw the link.

I found a web site awhile back that erroneously forgot to put a price in their database for their longest stun baton. As a result, I could have ordered one for free.

I figured that acting on it would just make karma bite me in the ass though.

[bandits1]

I should say that I'm extremely biased when it comes to the rifles I feed my lead to. I acknowledge the AK as a formidable weapon, but I'd prefer a weapon with something that can accurately shoot at my max range of 150 yds. I prefer my Lee Enfield.
Wow...I'd much rather have the greater ammo capacity and rate-of-fire than the ability to engage targets @ 150'.

[Faran Brigo]

A well maintained and clean AKM can hit targets within 150m (using single shots), that's 164 yards, so either way it's a moot point. That they usually are NOT well-maintained and are decades old and have been dragged through deserts and jungles is a different story, and it's nothing that can't be fixed. You could get even better accuracy with an AK variant with a milled reciever.

Not that it maters because if it's at 150m, you might as well run and save the ammo, which you might have trouble finding after everyone loots the supplies clean (it IS a very demanded caliber).

[kiltedninja]

Wow...I'd much rather have the greater ammo capacity and rate-of-fire than the ability to engage targets @ 150'.

My SMLE has a magazine capacity of 12 rds, twelve shots is enough for me in most situations.

I said 150 yards, not feet, 150 yds is 450 ft.

Faran, I've never seen an AK variant shoot that far, but I'm sure it could happen.

I've heard claims of Ak's shooting that far, but never seen it confirmed. I might just be seeing crappy shooters.

I'm not trying to put down the AK, it's a wonderful gun, but not really my cup of tea.

[bandits1]

My SMLE has a magazine capacity of 12 rds, twelve shots is enough for me in most situations.

I said 150 yards, not feet, 150 yds is 450 ft...
I'd imagine a global zombie outbreak isn't like "most situations".

[Faran Brigo]

Honestly at their slouching speed, it might be enough though. You still could carry more 7.62x39 or 5.56 than .303 British though. If you're planning to cut through a horde alone, you need something like a SAW, and that wouldn't be a practical main weapon for general use.

[kiltedninja]

I have an Ishapore 2A1 mate, it loads the .308 and the NATO counterpart.

I've never in my life imagined taking on a large group of zombies alone, Guerrilla tactics are the only ones that I'd even think of using, and even then, it'd be supply raids, or land reclaimation. I'd never go solo in the first place, unless I was separated from my friend or group.

A friend of mine loves his AK, and can hit targets at about 75 yds, so I'll let him have his AK.

[Bob]

I recently shot a couple of AK's, I wish now I had shot a silhouette at 100 yards. I intend to get a couple of AKs as soon as the prices come down.
I have seen some new ARs in the $800 range and some AKs for $499 not really good ones in either category but it is a start.

What does an Ishapore go for?
They look kind of interesting.

Y'all have really got me wondering about the practicality of shooting an AK at range. Hopefully someone will weigh in on this with a target or two to show us.
A standard AK not a match grade one would be preferable.

[kiltedninja]

I'd ask my dad, being that he bought it, but he's on his way over to Iraq, so the answer would take a bit to get back.

I like them because they're the rifle that I learned to shoot with, I'm used to the feel of it.

[Bob]

Thats ok, I can look it up.

Firearms are like any other weapon, you develop a feel for yours.

[JakAttak]

I've been thinking for a while about ammunition (frind of mine ran out in iraq and that led to some problems get [well soon bro]) but the fact is amount you find isn't a problem but accounting for other gear howmuch could you carry?

[Birdman44]

I'de stuff my shooting pouch and load all the guns, maybe keep some more somewhere in my backpack. Overall maybe a few hundred.

[kiltedninja]

I'd carry probably 200 or so, since I've got a rather large backpack, carrying a lot of gear isn't the problem, it's weight. I can carry a 60lb ruck all day, but efficiency is key.

[J Dub]

I've been thinking for a while about ammunition (frind of mine ran out in iraq and that led to some problems get [well soon bro]) but the fact is amount you find isn't a problem but accounting for other gear howmuch could you carry?

i think it isn't a question of how much you can carry but how much do you need to carry.
choice of caliber would play a roll to a degree too, 200 rounds of 5.56 is not the same as 200 rounds of 7.62 in terms of weight or bulk.
for me i would be happy with 7 20 round mags loaded (battle pack) in 7.62nato (up here our mags are pinned at 5 rounds, i would never consider removing the pin to increase capacity) :evil:

preparation is vital, you have to know what you are doing, where you are going and, for how long, before you can start putting thoughts towards what you may or may not need.
a 50lb pack should be good for at least 3 days imo, knowing what you are doing will tell you what else should be thought of for the conditions you are in.

i still like old faithfuls ie .45acp 7.62nato :)

[hotlead]

JakAttack, it really depends what caliber ammo you're carrying.

I'll give you some examples by the precise and scientific proccess of stacking ammo boxes and bandoleers on a bathroom scale in my man-cave. Let's say you've decided on 25lbs of ammo, not loaded in your weapon, that should give you approxamately.....

25lbs of 12ga OO buck 2 3/4" = 250 rounds
25lbs of 30.06 = 350 rounds
25lbs of .308 = 350 rounds
25lbs of .223 = 750 rounds
25lbs of .30 Carbine = 600 rounds
25lbs of .45ACP = 500 rounds
25lbs of 9mm = 900 rounds

So, with a 45lb fighting load( including weapon ) and a 35lb existence load you'll total 80lbs. It may seem like a lot, but isn't hard to get to if you have a decent pile to start with, you may even find it's hard to stay under that weight. After a few weeks it won't seem like so much.

Gather what you think you'd take with you, weigh your weapons and ammo and then weigh the stuff you piled up and see what you get. If you're over what you can hump then trim down your exisience load to the bare essentials.

Your fighting load is just what it sounds like, just what you need to fight zombies, weapons, ammo, first aid, and some water. Everything else is snivel gear (existence load), and can trimmed down before hand and dropped in the field.

What you choose to carry needs to be realisitically thought out before hand as to how much you can actually hump around and what you can drop if neccessary.

[CAVU45]

I always carried a double basic load of 5.56. I'd drop something else to carry the extra ammo.

[Bob]

High Capacity Low Recoil

If you are going to be building clearing I think I would prefer a pistol to a rifle.
With the Zed since only head shots count and it will be close quarters in a building I think a pistol would be preferable.

I am thinking Glock 17 with 33 round mags.

What do you think?

XM177-E2 or Glock 17?

[sk8rmichael]

either that or a colt 45 :) 15 round clip and i would pack my dads 38 just in case :D i love that gun:lol:

[CAVU45]

either that or a colt 45 :) 15 round clip and i would pack my dads 38 just in case :D i love that gun:lol:

A Colt 45? That's a cheap malt liquor not a gun. And the 1911 doesn't hold 15 rounds in the magazine.

[CAVU45]

High Capacity Low Recoil

If you are going to be building clearing I think I would prefer a pistol to a rifle.
With the Zed since only head shots count and it will be close quarters in a building I think a pistol would be preferable.

I am thinking Glock 17 with 33 round mags.

What do you think?

XM177-E2 or Glock 17?

I'll stick to my 1911 and Taurus PT945.

[hotlead]

High Capacity Low Recoil

If you are going to be building clearing I think I would prefer a pistol to a rifle.
With the Zed since only head shots count and it will be close quarters in a building I think a pistol would be preferable.

I am thinking Glock 17 with 33 round mags.

What do you think?

XM177-E2 or Glock 17?

Maybe I need to spend more time with my pistols, but I would prefer the XM177, in fact that's what I'm gonna build out of one of the lowers I've got coming.

[Bob]

I had not thought about the XM177 in years until I stumbled across a flash hider for one. I bought it and a set of handguards at a flea market outside Ft Bragg thirty some years ago. The "real" flash hiders were scarce even back then and the aftermarket hand guards were not heat shielded like the real ones.

Way back then if it wasn't a Colt it was crap I suppose I should do some research and find out what the good ones are now. Either that or just change the barrel on the old Colt I have. To be correct it would have to be registered as a SBR.

Ya know my biggest bitch with 1911's is the capacity.
Did you know when they built the Glock 21 they took measurements of my hand so it would fit properly? Kidding obviously but they might as well have because it and the 20 are the two best fitting handguns I have held to this point in time.

Now if they would make a G-17 with a triple stack magazine it might fit even better. Then could say "I shave with a triple track and shoot with a triple stack". I know I know it's bad but hey I was up late last night and I am old man, cut me some slack.

[hotlead]

[QUOTE=Bob;408346]To be correct it would have to be registered as a SBR.
QUOTE]

You can get an XM177 complete upper or just an assembled barrel with the FH welded on from Model-1 sales, not correct for an original I know, but gets around the SBR stuff.

[Birdman44]

I'de go for the G17, GLOCKs have always been my fancy.:lol:

[J Dub]

JakAttack, it really depends what caliber ammo you're carrying.

I'll give you some examples by the precise and scientific proccess of stacking ammo boxes and bandoleers on a bathroom scale in my man-cave. Let's say you've decided on 25lbs of ammo, not loaded in your weapon, that should give you approxamately.....

12ga OO buck 2 3/4" = 250 rounds
30.06 = 350 rounds
.308 = 350 rounds
.223 = 750 rounds
.30 Carbine = 600 rounds
.45ACP = 500 rounds
9mm = 900 rounds

So, with a 45lb fighting load( including weapon ) and a 35lb existence load you'll total 80lbs. It may seem like a lot, but isn't hard to get to if you have a decent pile to start with, you may even find it's hard to stay under that weight. After a few weeks it won't seem like so much.

Gather what you think you'd take with you, weigh your weapons and ammo and then weigh the stuff you piled up and see what you get. If you're over what you can hump then trim down your exisience load to the bare essentials.

Your fighting load is just what it sounds like, just what you need to fight zombies, weapons, ammo, first aid, and some water. Everything else is snivel gear (existence load), and can trimmed down before hand and dropped in the field.

What you choose to carry needs to be realisitically thought out before hand as to how much you can actually hump around and what you can drop if neccessary.

just a thought...

if you are going to be scientific and all, your numbers are way way out there.
the ammo you mention represents close to 75lbs alone in just lead, no brass no powder (not the 25lbs you say it weighs). you may be being a little optimistic about humping that plus other needs.

:x

eta. i fondled a glock 21sf the other day and i really really liked it :)

[hotlead]

just a thought...

if you are going to be scientific and all, your numbers are way way out there.
the ammo you mention represents close to 75lbs alone in just lead, no brass no powder (not the 25lbs you say it weighs). you may be being a little optimistic about humping that plus other needs.

:x

eta. i fondled a glock 21sf the other day and i really really liked it :)

The amount of ammo specified is for approximately 25lbs for each cartridge type, not the whole list.

I said in the post that I'd give some examples, not one example.

I should be more specific, I quess. I'll edit it for you.

[J Dub]

how about we just say carry 25lbs of ammo :lol:

without knowing weight of your bullets in grains, it is a guess. i was being conservative. 7000grains/1lb

[homelitexl]

an ar-10 in a 308 would be nice.

[Bob]

I think there are better choices than an AR 10.
I would prefer a FAL or an M1A.
But thats just me...

[J Dub]

i like the ar10 but have yet to work with one. my m1a socomII is joy to shoot and reliable. i got it new, stripped, cleaned and lubed it, i've sent over 700 rounds through it and not one hick up failure or anything...kind of boring in that aspect :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm going to go with my new Mossberg 500 12ga. Loving it so far.

[kiltedninja]

7.62NATO weighs 9.5 grams. Do the math yourself.

I'd go with my Enfield honestly, and my dad's old 1911 pistol, unless I could find something I liked more.

[CAVU45]

i like the ar10 but have yet to work with one. my m1a socomII is joy to shoot and reliable. i got it new, stripped, cleaned and lubed it, i've sent over 700 rounds through it and not one hick up failure or anything...kind of boring in that aspect :)

That's the kind of boring I like.

[kiltedninja]

We never had any trouble with our M1A either, my dad and I. I'd love to have that in the event of Zday, but I can't get it from storage.

[mattifikation]

How reliable are M1A's in general? I've heard some people say good, I've heard others say bad. I just don't know who to trust.

I also like some of the HK clones that are out there in that caliber. I saw one video of one that was configured as a PDW...

[kiltedninja]

Personally, I've never had any issues with ours, neither has my dad.
But just like anything else, it's a machine.

[hotlead]

I've never had or personally seen anyone else have a problem with an M1A.

The bad reports you'll hear about M1As are mostly that the SAI extractor is junk and sometimes the bolt disassembles itself when firing, though again I've never had or seen anyone else have a problem with an SAI extractor, a USGI M14 extractor fixes this issue when it comes up.

The M1A and other M14 type rifles are in my opinion the best battle rifle available, the M14 is a product improved M1 Garand, both are very good rifles.

Of the US service rifles used since 1903, which has generated the most discussion about reliability, deserved or not ? Which one does the DOD keep trying to get rid of, but can't because it does the job everytime ?

[Bob]

An M1A is pretty expensive to feed these days.
Then again so is everything else.

[J Dub]

An M1A is pretty expensive to feed these days.
Then again so is everything else.
amen!
i'm just getting started on reloading and even that is getting sparse in terms of available components ie primers powder cases etc. a necessary and worth while endeavor these days imo.

[homelitexl]

not a chainsaw there easy to feed :lol:

[J Dub]

not a chainsaw there easy to feed :lol:
maybe they will hold still for you :lol:

[sk8rmichael]

lol melee would be a baseball bat or something of the likes
sidearm hmmm probly my dads tokarave 9mm the chines one
and main wepon would prob be a mp5 if i can get ahold of one if i cant itl be my sks or mosin nagaunt
silent hmm uhm why be silent?? XD

[detpat]

My last M1A wasn't very good, i outshot it at 400 meters with a inch pattern L1A1 parts gun. reliability wasn't that great either, fte about 1 in 40 rounds or so.

[Bob]

I've been reloading handgun for a lot of years.
A couple of years ago I got a Dillon 650.
Primers are practically impossible to get.
Powder Valley has 50 million on order and has stopped taking back orders against them.

That is part of why I started shooting shotguns this year.
I have always had a few but kind of ignored them till I couldn't get ammunition for the regular stuff.

[J Dub]

I've been reloading handgun for a lot of years.
A couple of years ago I got a Dillon 650.
Primers are practically impossible to get.
Powder Valley has 50 million on order and has stopped taking back orders against them.

That is part of why I started shooting shotguns this year.
I have always had a few but kind of ignored them till I couldn't get ammunition for the regular stuff.

a bud of mine gave me a old lee turret press, i may use this for loading some handgun shells. i have heard mixed reviews on the lee turret but free is free and if it works what the heck. might have to find a manual on it, i have to set it up and give it a once over.

up here it seems brass is the big hold up :x

[Darkness]

"Got a concern about Bullets and such? The following thread might be of some interest to you." :)
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17282


"Enjoy." :)

[J Dub]

"Got a concern about Bullets and such? The following thread might be of some interest to you." :)
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17282


"Enjoy." :)

thanks Darkness :)

[kiltedninja]

So I've been hearing a lot of people talking about their ideal weapon, but I've heard very little about something like a staff or spear. A simple stick wouldn't be much use in killing Zack, but it'd be a good way to keep them back. And I think the idea in CQC with zombies is getting farther away.

Or attach a bayonet to the end of your rifle, then you have a spear that can shoot people.

[CAVU45]

Can you imagine poking zack in the chest with a stick and watching it slide right through? *yech* A bayonet tends to screw with the barrel's harmonics throwing off the accuracy of the weapon.

[mattifikation]

A blunt stick probably wouldn't go through their chest though. And if they were really that rotted and decayed that it would, you could just swing it at their face and watch their head splatter. :zom1:

[CAVU45]

A blunt stick probably wouldn't go through their chest though. And if they were really that rotted and decayed that it would, you could just swing it at their face and watch their head splatter. :zom1:

Now there's a pleasant thought...Zombie goo flying all over. I wouldn't want to clean that stick.

[hotlead]

CAVU45, you could use an M-44, both of mine are more accurate with the bayonet extended.

If you miss the zombie with the bullet, the muzzle flash will likely burn him to ashes anyway, as the muzzle flash is just a little bit longer than the effective range of the M-44.

It's like a little 5 shot flamethrower with a can opener on the end :lol:

[CAVU45]

*L* You gotta wonder how the Russians beat the German Army in WW2 with weapons like that.

[kiltedninja]

The Russian winter is how the Russians beat the Nazis. If not for that cold, then the Germans would have their Lebensraum.

While we're on the topic of German weapons, has anyone here shot the G36C? My friend has an airsoft version, and the weapon is the real weight of an unloaded rifle, but how does it handle when you have a real one?

[toe_tag]

For the millionth time - shovel.
Bludgeon, decapitate, brutally stab... without attracting too much attention, not requiring reloading or refueling and most importantly, multi-purpose: as in, not just for splatting zombehs. I'd like to take this moment to point out that I'm from Australia and our gun laws are insanely strict (the way I like it), so guns aren't an option.

[Bob]

The way you like it?
Tsk Tsk

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, I take comfort in the fact that I can have the same model of firearm as the military or police here. Everyone is on the same level unless you do (buy or modify) something illegal.

[toe_tag]

Everyone is on the same level
Bloody communists =p

[Necrolegion]

The way you like it?
Tsk Tsk

what is wrong with not having guns? i would rather that honestly. it's like saying, i would rather have MAD, as opposed to people not being able to end all life on the planet fifty times over.

honestly, what is the point?

Maori Taiaha! pretty good weapon against the undead, in my opinion. minus the multi-tool part

[J Dub]

Yeah, I take comfort in the fact that I can have the same model of firearm as the military or police here. Everyone is on the same level unless you do (buy or modify) something illegal.

lets not get carried away :lol:

the pro's have some toys that we will never dream of :drool:

[mattifikation]

We have something that makes up for their overwhelming technological superiority: Overwhelming numbers.

China has the largest standing army in the world. They employ roughly 3 million troops, which is actually only slightly ahead of the "united states military."

However, the government military is only the first line of defense. Second line is about 80 million armed Americans. No other country has that, period. Think about that for a second.

80 million armed Americans. If any zombies were ever to invade our soil, they would be up against a force over 26 times larger than the Chinese military.

And it would be a decentralized, loosely networked force of guerrilla fighters waging asymmetrical warfare. There'd be no leadership to strike at. No uniformed troops to hunt down. No convoys to ambush, no hardware to bomb, no clear target at all. Just 80 million insurgent fighters telling the invading zombies, "Get the hell off my porch!"

And to put THAT into perspective, the U.S. military estimates that there are 100,000 to 130,000 insurgent fighters in Iraq right now, versus to 142,000 coalition troops and 161,000 security contractors. And look at the troubles the coalition faces defeating a force less than half its size.

One last tidbit. Like I said, there are an estimated 80 million armed Americans reside in this great nation. The total number of active and reserve duty military troops in the world is 62,367,000 according to Wikipedia. About 2 million of those guys are our own troops.

That's right. Every active duty and reserve soldier in the entire world combined would still comprise a smaller force than the armed populace of the United States.

Chew on that, zombies!

[Dark Gale]

Maori Taiaha! pretty good weapon against the undead, in my opinion. minus the multi-tool part
Maori weaponry? Saiga Shotgun? 9mm Berettas? Major deja vu from watching Deadliest Warrior on Spike...

[Necrolegion]

Maori weaponry? Saiga Shotgun? 9mm Berettas? Major deja vu from watching Deadliest Warrior on Spike...

haha, yup thats where i got the idea for the maori weapon. but i am assuming there are plenty of military or law enforcement people (or gun nuts for that matter) who knew previously to those weapons. Berrettas for instance, are common law enforcement standard issue (please correct me if i am misinformed).

[kiltedninja]

I had a Beretta for a while, good pistol.

I'm glad that I'm allowed to have my weapons.

Matt, your statistics are off, what about all of the Americans that own weapons illegally?

[homelitexl]

a thong nuff said

[Bob]

Maori weaponry? Saiga Shotgun? 9mm Berettas? Major deja vu from watching Deadliest Warrior on Spike...

The Saiga shotgun they were using was in the US configuration.
The original intended configuration is much better.
That is why so many people are converting them back to the Kalashnikov design.
Although I don't think he was involved in the 12 gauge conversion.

The Beretta pistol is ok but I prefer a Glock.
I will admit this, the Beretta is more esthetically pleasing than a Glock.

It's not just the fact that many of us are armed, it's the fact that we could arm quite a few other people as well.

[homelitexl]

would a nailgun work i wonder

[kiltedninja]

The Saiga shotgun they were using was in the US configuration.
The original intended configuration is much better.
That is why so many people are converting them back to the Kalashnikov design.
Although I don't think he was involved in the 12 gauge conversion.

The Beretta pistol is ok but I prefer a Glock.
I will admit this, the Beretta is more esthetically pleasing than a Glock.

It's not just the fact that many of us are armed, it's the fact that we could arm quite a few other people as well.

I prefer the Glock as well, but the beretta is a good gun, there's no arguing that in my eyes. Mikhail Kalashnikov wasn't involved in the conversion.

I know that I could arm at least three other people with all the weapons I can access, because in ZPAW, my friend said I could use his AK, though many people here know that I prefer a rifleman's weapon to an Assault rifle. A finely crafted rifle and a finely polished skill with that rifle will keep you alive.

A lever action would be fun to have, since I could shoot it equally well with my dominant hand as with my more accurate eye(I'm left handed, but aim better with my right eye). There would be drawbacks of course, but my brother has a Winchester 1894 and I can shoot that accurately enough.

[hotlead]

We have something that makes up for their overwhelming technological superiority: Overwhelming numbers.

China has the largest standing army in the world. They employ roughly 3 million troops, which is actually only slightly ahead of the "united states military."

However, the government military is only the first line of defense. Second line is about 80 million armed Americans. No other country has that, period. Think about that for a second.

80 million armed Americans. If any zombies were ever to invade our soil, they would be up against a force over 26 times larger than the Chinese military.

And it would be a decentralized, loosely networked force of guerrilla fighters waging asymmetrical warfare. There'd be no leadership to strike at. No uniformed troops to hunt down. No convoys to ambush, no hardware to bomb, no clear target at all. Just 80 million insurgent fighters telling the invading zombies, "Get the hell off my porch!"

And to put THAT into perspective, the U.S. military estimates that there are 100,000 to 130,000 insurgent fighters in Iraq right now, versus to 142,000 coalition troops and 161,000 security contractors. And look at the troubles the coalition faces defeating a force less than half its size.

One last tidbit. Like I said, there are an estimated 80 million armed Americans reside in this great nation. The total number of active and reserve duty military troops in the world is 62,367,000 according to Wikipedia. About 2 million of those guys are our own troops.

That's right. Every active duty and reserve soldier in the entire world combined would still comprise a smaller force than the armed populace of the United States.

Chew on that, zombies!

Your premise is correct, that's one of the major considerations the Japanese had when making the decision not to invade the west coast of the US.

That's also why the UN is trying so hard to disarm American civilians, they'd never be able to pacify us under a multi-national government that supercedes the US Constitution and Bill of Rights while we are still armed.

On topic: My weapon of choice is an M1a bush rifle and a 1911A1.

[thanos0341]

[QUOTE=mattifikation;409782]We have something that makes up for their overwhelming technological superiority: Overwhelming numbers.

China has the largest standing army in the world. They employ roughly 3 million troops, which is actually only slightly ahead of the "united states military."


Sorry, the PRC are more than "slightly" ahead of us in both active & reserve troop strength. Our total active duty strength of all 5 branches combined is roughly 1.4 million active duty troops. Also the Chinese have over 40 million troops in the reserves, maybe more.



However, the government military is only the first line of defense. Second line is about 80 million armed Americans. No other country has that, period. Think about that for a second.


Who's to say that a certain percentage of that 80 million armed Americans aren't already a part of the undead?

80 million armed Americans. If any zombies were ever to invade our soil, they would be up against a force over 26 times larger than the Chinese military.

Invade our soil? Are they gonna parachute in ala the 101st Screaming Eagles or swim ashore? If a virus hits the US or is brought here by an infected individual, they will already be on our soil!

And it would be a decentralized, loosely networked force of guerrilla fighters waging asymmetrical warfare. There'd be no leadership to strike at. No uniformed troops to hunt down. No convoys to ambush, no hardware to bomb, no clear target at all. Just 80 million insurgent fighters telling the invading zombies, "Get the hell off my porch!"


Sorry, not all 80 million are gonna be properly trained in proper marksmanship, & with no leadership, not desciplined enough to maintain their cool in the face of hordes of hungry undead coming at them from all directions. W/O armor, tactical air support, & especially the 3 B's ,bullets/beans/bandaids, they'd be SOL in a short amount of time.



And to put THAT into perspective, the U.S. military estimates that there are 100,000 to 130,000 insurgent fighters in Iraq right now, versus to 142,000 coalition troops and 161,000 security contractors. And look at the troubles the coalition faces defeating a force less than half its size.


And of those 142,000 "US" troops, who are you kidding with "coalition" troops, the British just pulled out of Al Basra last month, WE are the only combat troops on the ground doing all the fighting now, only 40,000 of those 142,000 are actual 'groundpounders" the rest are in supprt of the grunts.

Something you civs don't seem to grasp or understand is that not every single troop in Iraq/Afghanistan is in a combat MOS ( military occupational specialty) the vast majority are in the Airwing component, transportation, medical, admin, supply, comm, intel, etc.




One last tidbit. Like I said, there are an estimated 80 million armed Americans reside in this great nation. The total number of active and reserve duty military troops in the world is 62,367,000 according to Wikipedia. About 2 million of those guys are our own troops.



That's right. Every active duty and reserve soldier in the entire world combined would still comprise a smaller force than the armed populace of the United States.


Large numbers are misleading, a well led, smaller, extremely well trained, well desciplined, well armed & well supplied force can defeat a larger, untrained leaderless, non-trained, gaggle of people.

Sun Tzu says of the importance of a well desciplined Army:

If soldiers are punished before they have grown attached to you, they will not prove submissive; and, unless submissive, then will be practically useless. If, when the soldiers have become attached to you, punishments are not enforced, they will still be unless.

Therefore soldiers must be treated in the first instance with humanity, but kept under control by means of iron discipline. This is a certain road to victory.

If in training soldiers commands are habitually enforced, the army will be well-disciplined; if not, its discipline will be bad.

If a general shows confidence in his men but always insists on his orders being obeyed, the gain will be mutual.

Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys; look upon them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death.

If, however, you are indulgent, but unable to make your authority felt; kind-hearted, but unable to enforce your commands; and incapable, moreover, of quelling disorder: then your soldiers must be likened to spoilt children; they are useless for any practical purpose



Semper Fi

[mattifikation]

Psst. Genius. I wasn't actually talking about a zombie take-over, I just threw the word in a couple times to placate the moderators.

For the record, your troop numbers are off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_size_of_armed_forces

China

Active Duty Troops: 2,250,000
Reserve Troops: 800,000
Total Troop Numbers: 3,050,000


United States of America:

Active Duty Troops: 1,452,000
Reserve Troops: 1,000,000
Total Troop Numbers: 2,452,000


So we're down about 600,000 soldiers - a big number, don't get me wrong, but not nearly the difference people think there is.

And before you go bashing wiki's credibility, consider that all the stats on that page reference their sources. :-)

[toe_tag]

Blah blah blah Americans are armed.

[bandits1]

Blah blah blah Americans are armed.
Jealous? Haha.

[Necrolegion]

i know i sure ain't jealous. its not the gun that's dangerous, but the soldier pointing the gun. Proud to be Canadian baby!

[toe_tag]

Jealous? Haha.
What's the opposite of jealous? :P

[mattifikation]

What's the opposite of jealous? :P

Sitting duck.

[Necrolegion]

undesiring

adjective
having or feeling no desire; "a very private man, totally undesirous of public office" [syn: undesirous] [ant: desirous]

[toe_tag]

Sitting duck.
*giggles* Nah, I just feel safe knowing my neighbours aren't armed.
And you're right, Necrolegion. I am undesiring of guns.

[kiltedninja]

I'm glad to know that my two neighbours are armed. Granted, so am I, but none of our houses have ever been burglarized. Behaviour of people who know that potential victims are armed for sure is predictable, they're not going to burglarize the house.

I actually watched a video about a town in Virginia where each house is required to have at least one firearm.

[Hitman]

*giggles* Nah, I just feel safe knowing my neighbours aren't armed.
And you're right, Necrolegion. I am undesiring of guns.

are you planning on doing bad things to your neighbors?

is anyone else ? why else would people being defenceless make you happy ?

or is it that your neighbours are criminals and by being unarmed they cannot go out and do bad things ? does breaking one more law really mean that much if your already breaking a handful ?

I personaly find it comforting to know that my neighbors will be thinning the zombie herd come Z'day


on a more on topic note , I finaly tested out my newest 9MM subgun silencer . a guy at the range let me try it on his 9MM AR15 , I'm more than pleased with it. great sound reduction along with light weight , tough counstruction , and zero change of impact (at 25 yards ) . I'm still leaning towards a 9mm AR15 SBR (5" barrel) with a can and an eotech for the perfect zombie weapon .

[toe_tag]

are you planning on doing bad things to your neighbors?

is anyone else ? why else would people being defenceless make you happy ?

or is it that your neighbours are criminals and by being unarmed they cannot go out and do bad things ? does breaking one more law really mean that much if your already breaking a handful ?

I personaly find it comforting to know that my neighbors will be thinning the zombie herd come Z'day

No, no. You've got me completely wrong. We don't need guns here.

[Hitman]

No, no. You've got me completely wrong. We don't need guns here.


please enlighten me why it makes you happy that your neighbors are unarmed? do they threaten you ?

[Bob]

Hitman

I hear the bleating of the sheeple...

[toe_tag]

please enlighten me why it makes you happy that your neighbors are unarmed? do they threaten you ?

I didn't mean my neighbours in the literal sense of the word - my neighbours are mainly old and like doing yard work. I said safe. I feel safe with no guns around. By neighbours I meant other Australians. They don't threaten me (mostly). I just happen to enjoy the low statistic of gun death.

[Darkness]

"Come on, Toe_Tag, dear. You have a Personal Message Board for entertaining all your fans. Let's get back on topic in here, please." ;-)

[bandits1]

i know i sure ain't jealous. its not the gun that's dangerous, but the soldier pointing the gun. Proud to be Canadian baby!
I'm pretty sure it's the gun, too. Bullets hurt.

[bandits1]

What's the opposite of jealous? :P
Super jealous?

[homelitexl]

guns dont kill people husbands that come home early do:clap::lol:

[J Dub]

No, no. You've got me completely wrong. We don't need guns here.

silly sheep. (i'm being as kind as i possibly can) :x

btw. why are you posting in these threads when you obviously have no inherent survival skills or interest of self preservation.

[mattifikation]

I can't believe I of all people am asking this, but can we get back on topic now? Poor toe tag didn't do anything to deserve all this except have a different opinion than us about guns. It's not like she's coming over here and taking our guns, or telling us what we should be doing, so no harm, no foul, ok folks?

[toe_tag]

silly sheep. (i'm being as kind as i possibly can) :x

btw. why are you posting in these threads when you obviously have no inherent survival skills or interest of self preservation.

The reason I posted in this particular thread is because I wanted to share that my anti-zombie weapon of choice is a shovel. ^^ I also think knives are pretty cool.

I also don't believe your statement has any merit. I have many survival skills and a keen interest in self-preservation. My survival plan does not include guns because I'm being realistic here, because hey! I want to survive ;) There's no guns to be had around me, so I choose shovel. My anti-zed weapon of choice. ( on topic ;) love you, Darkness. I are sorrehhh )

[J Dub]

It's not like she's coming over here and taking our guns, or telling us what we should be doing, so no harm, no foul, ok folks?

no harm? really? get back to me in a few years and ask me what you think when you loose your guns due to the acceptance of this type of nonsense.

[CAVU45]

I didn't mean my neighbours in the literal sense of the word - my neighbours are mainly old and like doing yard work. I said safe. I feel safe with no guns around. By neighbours I meant other Australians. They don't threaten me (mostly). I just happen to enjoy the low statistic of gun death.

Just my two cents for what it's worth. Feel safe? You shouldn't. The gun laws and buyback prgram didn't net nearly the numbers of guns that were in circulation. I think it was about one third or less the total number. So there are plenty of guns still in private hands. On top of that the crime statistics show that murders and armed robberies have virtually held steady since 1997 and assaults and sexual assaults have actually increased. Okay, thanks for indulging me. It seems the "Great Gun Control Debate" will never end. Where would be a good place to start a thread devoted to that subject? The Chat Lounge? Or could it be done here? Back on topic.

I still prefer the M4, though the new Bushmaster ACR looks promising.

[mattifikation]

yeah. really. no harm. what are you afraid she's gonna do, swim over here from australia and steal 270 million guns while we sleep, swim back over to australia with them slung over her back, and light a bonfire?

you don't like it when foreigners tell us how to run our country, so why should we tell them how to run theirs? it's called "sovereignty." if america as a whole would start respecting the concept of sovereignty, we'd have far fewer enemies in the world.

[Bob]

A country as can a person be judged by the caliber of their enemies.

[Hitman]

for the fans of the piston AR's have you seen the new Ruger SR556 ?

http://www.ruger-firearms.com/SR556/index.html

a little pricey but not overly expensive for what you get . I like the gas setting for shooting with a suppresor . I tried my can on a POF yesterday and it was almost as loud with it as it was without .

[kiltedninja]

A country as can a person be judged by the caliber of their enemies.

A Majority of our(USofA) enemies prefer the 7.62x39 caliber.

[CAVU45]

yeah. really. no harm. what are you afraid she's gonna do, swim over here from australia and steal 270 million guns while we sleep, swim back over to australia with them slung over her back, and light a bonfire?

you don't like it when foreigners tell us how to run our country, so why should we tell them how to run theirs? it's called "sovereignty." if america as a whole would start respecting the concept of sovereignty, we'd have far fewer enemies in the world.

No harm? The anti-gun forces are working hard through organizations like the UN to strip you of your second amendment right. The recent rants by the Mexican president are a prime example.

Back on topic. I really like the M4. That's what I would prefer.

[Darkness]

"This is verging on a political discussion. Reel it back in guys."

[Bob]

I wish they would have a gun buy back in my area.
I have one I would love to sell them.

I would turn a major profit and would use it to buy a functional one.

I think an Abrams tank would be an awesome anti-zed weapon.

[toe_tag]

I came across this, and almost came.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/toe__tag/aaa.jpg
It's called a Combat Steel Monk Spade. I want one!

[Darkness]

I came across this, and almost came.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/toe__tag/aaa.jpg
It's called a Combat Steel Monk Spade. I want one!

"Leave it to Toe_Tag to find a Battle Shovel! You Rock, Girl!!" :clap:

[Dark Gale]

I came across this, and almost came.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g289/toe__tag/aaa.jpg
It's called a Combat Steel Monk Spade. I want one!

That's a Shaolin Spade, it was mentioned in the ZSG as the most effective melee weapon you could have in a zombie outbreak. Sharp ends at each side, long staff to keep your distance, it's great. It takes some skill to use one though.

[J Dub]

I think an Abrams tank would be an awesome anti-zed weapon.


:lol: agreed, mount a mini gun in 7.62 and one of these and we're cooking :drinking:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/motivator7939457.jpg

[kiltedninja]

I'd leave him some Captain Morgan and a 2-liter of Coca Cola, since we all know Santa loves his coke.

[mattifikation]

I bet that's expensive to feed. I'd prefer the metal storm one anyways.

[Colt]

I have all the firearms I could need the only thing is ammo:( I dont have very much of that at all, I would have to arm up and head to the closet store that supplies ammo, throw down an IOU and take everything I needed lol. (ar, 2x pistols, 3x shotguns I would use, the rest of my firearms are more geard towards hunting) I would some how make use of my compound, and crossbow aswell! As for hand to hand combat my brother has alot of swords (all just replicas nothing very sturdy) A few will work for a bit but alot of them I wouldnt trust my life with. I will just pack around my hunting pack has alot of surival gear in there!

[homelitexl]

Blah blah blah Americans are armed.

thats what u get 4 livin ln europe

[Necrolegion]

haha, nice job toe tag.


but is that shovel as good for digging? and will you be able to carry it indoors and still make use of it 100%? not to mention on long hikes, it would be difficult to make use of it as a walking stick.

The shaolin spade, in my mind, would be only effective if you wanted to feel the zombies being torn to shreds in your hands. in my mind, it would only be effective for a short time, on a choke point, against a severely limited number of enemies.

a conventional shovel would be more useful, although i say the E - Tool takes the cake.

[Necrolegion]

Hahaha, she doesn't live in Europe.

thats what u get 4 livin ln europe

[Dark Gale]

a conventional shovel would be more useful, although i say the E - Tool takes the cake.

E-Tools are crazy, they can slice your head in half o_o

[Necrolegion]

lol i see you watched deadliest warrior seeing from your previous comments


yeah, but so can, say, a lead pipe haha

[doctorsatan]

rifle of course, since well i am a damn sniper heheh.

[Bob]

What is a closet store?

[J Dub]

whoops a daisy

[CAVU45]

I have all the firearms I could need the only thing is ammo:( I dont have very much of that at all, I would have to arm up and head to the closet store that supplies ammo, throw down an IOU and take everything I needed lol. (ar, 2x pistols, 3x shotguns I would use, the rest of my firearms are more geard towards hunting) I would some how make use of my compound, and crossbow aswell! As for hand to hand combat my brother has alot of swords (all just replicas nothing very sturdy) A few will work for a bit but alot of them I wouldnt trust my life with. I will just pack around my hunting pack has alot of surival gear in there!

No wonder you have trouble finding ammo. I doubt a closet store would carry any.

[J Dub]

No wonder you have trouble finding ammo. I doubt a closet store would carry any.

:lol: you guys are brutal, i hope i don't get razzed for rarely using capitals :lol:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/GrammarNazi.jpg

[Bob]

:lol: you guys are brutal, i hope i don't get razzed for rarely using capitals

Washingtoon
Londoom
Bra ZZville
San Hoe Say
Crow Ate Ya
Have A Nanner
Ki Roe

[J Dub]

Washingtoon
Londoom
Bra ZZville
San Hoe Say
Crow Ate Ya
Have A Nanner
Ki Roe

:lol: Phuket :lol: