Anti-Zed Weapon of Choice

[Bob]

Sounds like it will be fine for range use.

[Trumble0]

Sounds like it will be fine for range use.

Yeah... First and last Polymer Mag I'm getting though... I'm thinking about taking it to Gander Mtn. and having it Drilled and tapped for one of the side mounted dragunov style scope mounts. The SKS mounts that replace the rear cover of the spring/reciever seem kinda Chinsy, and that cover has like 1/8" of back and forth movement. All in all I'm pleased with it, Ive been having some trouble with the softpoint ammo though, Im going to grab FMJ next time and see if that makes a difference... if not ive been told it's possible to create for of a feed ramp, to channel the bullets into the barrel instead of them dead-heading on the edge of back of the barrel and deforming the tips.

[Bob]

Not having one myself I can only offer an opinion not a fact.
Most military weapons be they pistol or be they rifle are designed for fmj and can be iffy with anything else.

You will figure it out though.
I don't think a scope mount that moves an 1/8 of an inch would lend itself to accuracy.

I had a new hole counter bored on the scope mount for my target pistol to change the balance. Do what makes you happy.

[Zombie Slayer]

My weapon of choice is and always will be my AK 47...sure it's a semi-auto but I wouldn't put the selector to full auto even if it had one...single, controlled shots are much better at conserving ammo and not to mention it's all about the quality of the shot and not the quantity (better accuracy). Why would you wanna shoot off 30 rnds and kill MAYBE 3-6 zeds, depending on your skill with a full auto weapon, as opposed to shooting off the same amount of rnds with a semi-auto and killing (once again depending on skill) anywhere from 15+. I am aware though that these numbers will vary greatly depending on skill and the scenario such as: if you are in an open field with 25+ yards between you and lots of slow moving zeds blocking your way to a safe house or other type of shelter to the more fast paced horror of Dawn of the Dead (04) where these baddies come at you with a quickness and won't go down even if shot numerous times unless a head shot is taken. As for a bludgeon type of weapon a good baseball bat fits the bill just fine.

[Bob]

I hate fast zombies.
How in the heck can a zombie run faster than they could when they were alive.

I think shamblers are more realistic.
Thats kind of funny isn't it using the word realistic when referring to zombies...

[Trumble0]

Hahaha, Yeah. I just hate fast zombies because I'm pretty sure I'd be screwed... if it took a headshot to kill them and they were all out sprinting at me It would put me under alot of pressure... where as shamblers... I could just walk briskly to escape them. the thing is though, Shamblers come in hordes, and the fast ones usually are in groups of maybe 10 at the most. Nothing like the fields of shamblers you encounter. I think that is much less scary "Oh here come 5 zombies sprinting, and I have my MP5 or M-4 this will be 'moderately hard'", as opposed to... "Here comes all of lower Manhattan shambling slowly towards me and I have my rifle with limited ammo, 'I am going to die'" I think Zombie movies like the rest of the horror genre is being changed by people who want instant gratification, they just want to see blood and gore with no back story or build up, or a little bit of a story but mostly horribly graphic gore, case in point the SAW series.I'm sure someone here will object, but I didnt find them very enjoyable. Is it Possible to have Post-Modernism in Zombie and horror flicks?... But yeah, with the preset state of my SKS, Ammo, and Mags, I'd prefer shamblers as opposed to the Jesse Owens variety :lol:

[Zombie Slayer]

That's for sure. Even though I have pretty good accuracy and skill with my AK doesn't mean that it'd be a walk in the park. Like the above post stated, I'd more than likely be screwed if it were the fast bunch. Even going up against the hordes of slow shamblers would be a challenge seeing as how (even while moving slow) their heads are bopping and moving around...not drastically mind you but enough to where it would pose a challenge the further away they were from you. Shooting one of those at let's say, just for arguments sake, close room proximity 8-15 ft would be, IMO, very easy so long as there were only a very few, maybe like 2-4 AND you know how to use your firearm. Now, compare that scenario with those same slow pokes but put them at 100-150 yds, even with little movement a human/zed head is a tiny target at that distance, especially if you do not have a scope on whatever rifle you're using. While I obviously have never shot at humans at that range (or at all for that matter) I do practice with moving (paper and cardboard human silhouettes) from the 100-300 yd range. This is with my AK with no scope and while I can hit the head portion fairly easily at the 100 yd section, it starts to get tricky past that point, for me anyways. I can easily hit the torso section while it's moving at the 200-300 yd range but that's not what I am trying to hit. Had that been a human...no problem, but if it were a zed...problem. I can get a head shot at those ranges too, but not as often as I would like. Now, these targets are only moving left to right, not forwards while slightly to the left or right or swaying back and forth. I can only imagine how much more difficult that would be? Hell, forget about trying to take out multiple sprinter zeds, that would have to be god awful. Talk about the stress you'd be under trying to put one in their head! :x I know zombies will never exist BUT if they ever do I pray they will be the slow variety. :lol:

[Bob]

If they are the fast variety I won't have to worry about survival they will just run my old butt down and eat me.

Take an honor guard to hell with you but, save the last bullet for yourself!

[Trumble0]

If they were the fast variety... I would merely be shooting for my enjoyment... I certainly wouldnt expect many headshots. I'm pretty sure I would just turn off the TV unplug it, bring it into the basement, throw a bunch of stuff on the stairs to block it off, and go down there with my guns and ammo and just wait. I might invest in a campstove too... theres a ton of meat and frozen vegetables in the chest freezer down there. The upstairs and has 2 sliding glass doors on the backside :cry: it sucks... the basement has like 1 ft windows that are at ground level... I could open one knock out the screen and crawl out of the basement if need be or I could use the other door... btu it opens right next to the main door anyway... Im pretty sure Id just make a stand at my house. I could re-inforce it a little before the zombies 30 mins away by car got here. If I had to leave, I'd probably leave my .30-06 and just grab my 12 gauge and all the ammo for it, and my SKS and what ammo I have for it.

[superagent23]

a shotgun with extra shells


the shotgun could keep them at bay while i make bombs out of the extra shell since its b powder it woul nt cath on fire as much as gas would and would pretty much just blast its head off.

[JakAttak]

Fast Zombies the world could kiss It's ass goodbye.

[Bob]

Fast Zombies should not be undead requiring a head shot.
I think fast Zombies should be infected living only kind of like 28 days only more uncoordinated and no running faster than the body was capable of before the infection.

[Kemper]

I have the love/hate relationship with the Fast Zombies. They seem like it is a bit unfair to go up against...but the slow ones make me think...How could any situation get out of hand to the point they dominate the earth. I can see break outs, but full-fledged take over...NOT BLOODY LIKELY!

[Zombie Slayer]

the slow ones make me think...How could any situation get out of hand to the point they dominate the earth. I can see break outs, but full-fledged take over...NOT BLOODY LIKELY!

I have always thought the same thing...:think:

[Bob]

I have doubts about world domination.
Gangs would survive and prosper early on because they are already organized and ruthless. The infrastructure would suffer greatly at the hands of these groups as they sought to carve out their piece of the pie. As their areas are abandoned by support services they will spread out like a cancer until they are excised from societies body. At some point the military will have to be sent in to "quell the uprising".

As people die from destroyed infrastructure they will rise and walk. If grandma who died of thirst because water stopped flowing from the taps and the gang bangers took all the remaining bottled water for themselves bites one banger and he bites one, well you get the idea.

[DarthJoe8]

I have the love/hate relationship with the Fast Zombies. They seem like it is a bit unfair to go up against...but the slow ones make me think...How could any situation get out of hand to the point they dominate the earth. I can see break outs, but full-fledged take over...NOT BLOODY LIKELY!


The way I look at this scenario happening is that the outbreak would be "world wide". With resources spread so thin and everyone else Fing each over in desperation I think it could happen that shamblers could take over. :think:

If it happened in one town, then I think a handle could be gotten on things.

Running zeds?? Forget it, there would be zero hope. That's one of the reasons that i'm not a fan of these fast zed stories. No hope means who cares.

:drinking:Weapon of choice?? Whatever I have in my hand. :evil:

[mattifikation]

All it takes is one zombie, shambling off into the woods before a quarantine takes place and bam! - There's your potential for it to spread to the next town over.

In all actuality, there could be numerous zombies who do that.

[JakAttak]

On topic on of the best weapons would be a steyr AUG. accurate and lethal. check it out at this address world.guns.ru

[homelitexl]

chainsaw yeah baby

[mattifikation]

Haha no0b with a chainsaw :lol:
Let me ask you... what happens when it runs out of gas? What happens when zed splatter gets in your mouth, eyes, or an open cut on your body?

Steyr AUG, now that seems like a good choice. Another advantage it has is the short overall length, which makes it easier to use in close quarters. I'd want one of the later generations though, with the rail on top instead of the built-in scope. The FN2000 is nice for a lot of the same reasons. I held one at a gun store and promptly wished I had thousands of dollars to blow :-(

[mattifikation]

Oh, and as for fast zeds. I think the situation would actually be survivable. It would just require a completely different mindset. With slow zombies, you want ammo capacity and accuracy. With fast zombies, you want something that's easier to hit fast-moving targets with - a good semi-auto shotgun is probably the order of the day.

Also, you'll want to incorporate evasion and defense into your strategies more than "blast your way out." Of course, survival would be harder - but not impossible.

[homelitexl]

maltov coktails
nuff said easy to make

[Spot]

A nice crowbar would bash plenty of skulls, that and a good heavy short sword, take there head right off.

[homelitexl]

ron jeremys slong would work if you wernet afraid of sifulus it will shoot any type of ammo

[Spot]

dude lay off the shlonge will ya?

[detpat]

you need to work on that spell checker too, "sifulus", dude come on?

[Bob]

Wow that is some of the worst spelling I have ever seen.

[mattifikation]

:lol:

If it weren't for dumb people, we smart people would just be considered average.

[VideoJunkie]

Hay! Ley off da shpeling ataxx! Jus coz hee caint shpell sum wordz aynt no raisin ta bee meen!!!:lol:

[Bob]

Matt
I did not mean to imply he was "dumb" he is just orthographically challenged.

[mattifikation]

Oh.

Well, I did mean to imply that he's dumb.

*shrug*

[Bob]

Matt

Good for you!
Real Men speak what is on their minds!
(although it is permissible to spare someones feelings as long as it is a considered decision)

[homelitexl]

screw u man where i was taught we cant spell very well or type so lay off

[detpat]

you just need to be more careful which keys you poke with that stick.......:evil:

[Bob]

Hometextile

So what you are saying is no one can spell or type where you live?

Here is some cheap advice.
Switch to Firefox, it has a built in spell checker.

[Warlock]

What's your anti zombie setup? let me know.

I'd prefer a katana or farming sythe, and my custom .22 (it fires semi auto and has a 24 slug clip) plus a .36 revolver for emercecies

A Mac10 is weak but spray and pray works well on midless crowds

[Darkness]

"Next time, try checking the Index. It's the ONLY Sticky Thread in this Section." ;-)

[Bob]

Personally I think Mac 10 is crap for real world use.
I have an Ingram Mac 10 and while you can "spay and pray" for serious use you would be much better off with an AR.

I stand by my choice.
For serious Zed disposal a 9mm pistol (Glock) and my CAR 15 or a yet to be obtained 9mm carbine.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm not really sure any more what I would use. From the options that I have I would say my grandpa's old 30-30 lever action rifle. He used it for hunting deer and wild dogs back in the day and the scope is focused in at about 120 yards. I think that would be my best bet. My 12 ga for backup. And my .308 and .38 for my other backups. Then I have my .22's and 114 ga for rabbits and other fast food choices.

[homelitexl]

wow other people with 308. what is yours.

[Adam]

This is what I'm telling the folks on weekend shift when they
invariably ask, "Why are you working so much overtime, Adam?"

I'm 'building' myself an AR15, either an "M-4orgery" or a 16" midlength
carbine, to be exact, and they don't give them things away, for sure.

I have already spent $165.00 on a "stripped" lower receiver, $250.00
on 20 thirty-round magazines and a complete collapsible stock, and
am currently working on paying for the complete upper receiver, which
will cost me upwards of $400.00, to get the features I want (chrome-
lined barrel/chamber, free-floated quad rail forearm, etc.). Then, while
I'm waiting for THAT to show up, thanks to the "Panic" buyers, I will
work towards the lower receiver parts group, folding rear sights, vertical
foregrip (one weekend) and a EOTech red-dot optic (two weekends) and
a coupla thousand rounds of 5.56mm ammo (another weekend). The good
news is, thanks to a "Production points" system we have, I am getting
a pretty nice Surefire G2 (I think that is the number) at no cost to myself,
instead of shelling out $65.00. That will be mounted on the weapon, too.

Right now I am so tired I can hardly see straight (I NEED to go to bed, NOW)
but I keep telling myself it will be worth it, in the end...................sometime
in January:)

Any of you fine folks ever done stuff like this to get what you wanted,
weapons-wise? Please tell me I'm not the only idiot that's done this!

[DaXs]

For ranged use against zombies, And not of the Vehicle type (Obviously a Abrams with Anti-personal flak shells) would be the ultimate ground based zombie destroyer.

Hands down a Napalm thrower like this. Would be the ultimate tool of Zombie elimination.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYpRpiZmf0&feature=related

[mattifikation]

Instead of working hard for the things (guns) I want, I put them on credit cards that I have very little intention of ever paying back in full. Oh, sure, they'll get their monthly payments (if they bother me enough,) but it'll be years before they see the return.

Through this highly idiotic, financially unsound to the max strategy, I've managed to get my hands on:

Maverick 88 12 Gauge shotgun
Springfield XD in 9mm
Mosin Nagant carbine
and one of those cheap romanian semi-auto AK47's, which seems to be decent quality considering it's just one of those WASR pieces of shit.

Because I'm lazy, and don't have any friends who will go shooting with me, I haven't used any of them. :-(

Oh. Yeah, and for melee I have a bunch of knives and a crowbar.

[mattifikation]

Haha, Fresh corpse likes fire.

Somewhere around here we've got a thread dedicated to just how BAD of an idea that is. I recommend you hit it up.

[Gummerfan]

Any of you fine folks ever done stuff like this to get what you wanted,
weapons-wise? Please tell me I'm not the only idiot that's done this!
If you mean work hard(er), then no, afraid not. :lol:
But, I've saved Christmas and birthday money, or eaten ramen for a month, or sold off other things to get something else.
I used to have a hard time resisting a good deal. I've bought guns that I didn't even want or particularly like just because the price was too good to pass up. I'd play around with them a while, then put them in my "trade pile". If I ran across something I really want..er, needed, I'd trade one or more in on it. Same goes for gun parts from project guns. Say you replace a stock, or flash hider, or upgrade a trigger group, whatever, you can always sell your original parts to help defray the cost.

[Dave Of The Dead]

wow other people with 308. what is yours.

I couldn't tell you. It was my grandfathers and I hardly ever bring it out. Its a nice automatic though with a hell of a kick.

[Bob]

My .308 is a M1A in full E2 configuration.

[DaXs]

While I agree that the useage of flamethrowers for protection of a home or property is a bad idea. I think many of you dont realise exactly how effective a Napalm hose is for Zombie elimination. If you sprayed even a Wet soaking zombie who just got out of a pond or swimming pool. Napalm would still burn and rapidly destroy the zombie (in seconds), Napalm burns much hotter than a gasoline fire. and is sticky like glue.

Think of a Hose slinging large profuse amounts of Burning, sticky super glue that burns UNDERWATER. The effects of such a weapon being used against a large group of zombies. Even a street sweeper shotgun, or a Belt fed 50. cal would pale in compairison of effectiveness to a napalm hose when dealing with large groups of undead.

Many of you think that the zombie would continue running and moving once coated in a fresh sticky layer of Napalm. You are very incorrect, Napalm would burn even soaking flesh in seconds, burning muscles and bone and converting the undead to ash in mere seconds.. not minutes.

The end result of any napalm attack against a group of zombies is obvious, the Napalm that does not make contact with the zombies remains burning on the ground and has a very similar effect to a pool of super glue. Zombies attempting to transverse the fire would end up stuck to the ground and burning.

A napalm hose would be a essential addition to any group of people attempting to retake ground from a large group of zombies.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYpRpiZmf0
I really want you to take notice of somthing when you watch this video.
The weapons that this group of people are using are not "Flamethrowers" These weapons are propelling napalm at high pressure. Notice the effect that the weapons are having on the target area. There is a pool of fire. Compair these weapons to other weapons of this type youtube also has available for your viewing pleasure. you will notice a major difference between this type of weapon and its counterparts.

These are Napalm hoses, Not flamethrowers. Flamethrowers only have a range of 30-50 feet and the fuel does not continue burning for more than a few seconds. Napalm contiues burning for minutes.

Please reconsider the viability of such weapons against any large group of the undead.

[VideoJunkie]

Not trying to start an argument, but I'm confused. The term 'Napalm Hose' doesn't bring up any hits on Google, except references to a couple of computer games. Were you using the term to differentiate between the two common types of flamethrowers?

Type 1 - The flamethrowers found in some agricultural areas and in the movies. These use propane gas and have a limited range. They actually shoot a large flame over a short range. Useful and less dangerous than the other type.

Type 2 - Military flamethrowers which throw a stream of burning fuel for distances of almost 300 feet. These flamethrowers can also shoot out a stream of unlit fuel. This can be used to soak an area that can be ignited afterward.

The first type would be safer to operate, but be more limited in it's use. I'd say it's primary use would be to incapacitate zeds in groups. The flame would be insufficient to destroy the zeds outright, but WOULD be enough to quickly burn away the eyes, ears and airways. I know, zeds don't breathe! Well, let's just say that after they're sprayed with a propane jet about 20 to 30 feet long, they won't be able to smell anymore. Either they couldn't smell to begin with, 'cause they don't breathe (the 2 go together) or if they could before, and now they can't because of the fire damage. Either way works for me! They'd still be a threat, and need to be dealt with, but they'd be much less dangerous!

The second type is more of a danger to it's operator, and the people around him/her. The increased range (up to 10 times the distance) means the risk of hitting things you don't want to burn increases. Also, the liquid fuel is more of a danger to carry and operate. The upside is the ability to destroy zeds outright with a stream of burning fuel. Everything I've read indicates that your comment about burning zeds to ashes in seconds is simply an exaggeration. Don't sweat it, we all do it sometimes. The point is that a military flamethrower COULD destroy zeds.

Most of the people (including myself) who've posted here have been concerned about the danger of a fire getting out of control. The only safe way that I can see to use a military flamethrower would be as part of a trap. If you manage to round up large numbers of zeds in a large fireproof area...BBQ time! Say a large parking lot, or even better an airport! If you could lure the zeds to an airport that would be perfect! A couple of trucks with flamethrowers in the back could drive back and forth across the runways torching zeds at will! In that sort of environment the risk would be minimized and the potential return on your effort would be staggering.

In a more densely built up area, I'd be afraid of the fire getting out of control. But in the right location, and with the proper planning, either type of flamethrower could be a very useful addition to an anti-zed arsenal!:evil:

[DaXs]

The difference between a Napalm hose and a flamethrower is fuel. One is burning Napalm the other just straight gasoline or propane.

Actually Napalm-B is quite safe. Just like any weapon, pointing it at somthing you wish to not burn or kill is always a danger.

Napalm-B cannot be lit by a lighter, or Roadflares even hand grenades, Napalm-B is usually lit with a Thermyte igniter. So its really quite safe from accidental ignition, be it damage to the tank, Self incineration or a stray spark.

But no really. Napalm-B burns in excess of 2000 degrees F! (986+ degrees C) Thats almost immediate incineration! this is Zombie elimination enmass via rapid incineration in seconds! not a exaggeration!

[Bob]

Napalm was developed at Harvard University in 1942-43 by a team of chemists led by chemistry professor Louis F. Fieser, who was best known for his research at Harvard University in organic chemistry which led to the synthesis of the hormone cortisone. Napalm was formulated for use in bombs and flame throwers by mixing a powdered aluminium soap of naphthalene with palmitate (a 16-carbon saturated fatty acid) -- also known as napthenic and palmitic acids -- hence napalm [another story suggests that the term napalm derives from a recipe of Naptha and palm oil]. Naphthenic acids are corrosives found in crude oil; palmitic acids are fatty acids that occur naturally in coconut oil. On their own, naphthalene and palmitate are relatively harmless substances.

The aluminum soap of naphtenic and palmitic acids turns gasoline into a sticky syrup that carries further from projectors and burns more slowly but at a higher temperature. Mixing the aluminum soap powder with gasoline produced a brownish sticky syrup that burned more slowly than raw gasoline, and hence was much more effective at igniting a target. Compared to previous incendiary weapons, napalm spread further, stuck to the target, burned longer, and was safer to its dispenser because it was dropped and detonated far below the airplane. It was also cheap to manufacture.

Modern day napalm uses no Napalm (naphthalene or palmitate) -- instead using a mixture of polystyrene, gasoline and benzene. After the Korean War a safer but equally effective napalm compound was developed. This new formulation is known as "napalm-B", super-napalm, or NP2, and it uses no napalm! Instead, polystyrene and benzene are used as a solvent to solidify the gasoline. This modern napalm is a mixture of benzene (21%), gasoline (33%), and polystyrene (46%). Benzene is a normal component of gasoline (about 2%), while the gasoline used in napalm is the same leaded or unleaded gas that is used in automobiles.

Napalm-B had one great advantage over the original napalm -- ignition can be readily controlled. Napalm is less flammable than gasoline and therefore less hazardous. The more polystyrene in the mixture, the harder it is to ignite. Napalm is actually harder to ignite than might be expected. A match or even a road flare will not ignite napalm. A reliable igniter is used to start napalm-B burning. Thermite is typically used to ignite napalm. Some forms of modern napalm cannot be ignited by a hand grenade.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...ons/napalm.htm
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[mattifikation]

The dangerous thing about fire is that it spreads.

Sure, the napalm won't light easily. But the fire that it creates when you do light it could probably spread allll over.

If you live in a barren desert, go for it. If you live in an area with vegetation or buildings, forget about it.

It's just too much fire to control.

[Hitman]

I've lit nalpalm-b with a lighter or a match before. in higher concentrations than 46% styrene . getting the benzene is the hard part now. I found a much better substitute and it even lights better and makes the mixture more like snot (ie , stickier and thinner)

[homelitexl]

well if you soak styrofoam in diesil or gas for a month or two and light it you get ghetto napalm.

[Bob]

remote controlled cars with sticks of dynamite would be better.

[homelitexl]

or airplanes

[Bob]

Only problem with remote controlled planes is I can't fly one.
I saw a very expensive one go on it's maiden flight and crash in a big way. He blamed it on being drunk, I blamed it on him being stupid.

[homelitexl]

the wal mart air hog one are easy to fly.

[Bob]

You mean these things?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epCiKIs5i5s

[homelitexl]

no the really really cheap ones like 30 $ maybe.

[Bob]

How much weight will they lift?
A condom filled with gasoline perhaps?

[mattifikation]

Sounds like an expensive toy, if you ask me.

Remote control planes with cameras attached might be good for recon though, if you have a way of controlling them over longer-than-normal ranges.

[homelitexl]

they would be able to lift up to 6 lbs depending on the plane and power.

[Bob]

Video camera is a good idea.
Just fly it up and swing it in a circle then bring it down.
You would be able to see much further away without getting it out of range.

[kiltedninja]

Well, as it does say 'of choice', I've got a bit of a list.

My sword, it's really just a stamped metal ninja sword, more of a machete.

My knife, A CRKT Stealth First Strike.

A Lee Enfield 1903, or an M1 Garand.

That's my list.

[Darkness]

Well, as it does say 'of choice', I've got a bit of a list.

My sword, it's really just a stamped metal ninja sword, more of a machete.

My knife, A CRKT Stealth First Strike.

A Lee Enfield 1903, or an M1 Garand.

That's my list.

"You seem like someone who might appreciate the conversation in this thread......"
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15751
"Enjoy!" :)


"I like blades too. The right blade in the right hand can be enduring, as well as deadly." :evil:

[Comander Shaw]

I personally would take a rifle or an assualt rifle.

[Creeping Death]

Assault Rifle, Handgun, and Grenades. :machgun2::guns::?

[bootsy]

i would take my mosin nagat bolt action ww2 russian sniper with 300 rounds 2 pistols M1911 prefferably 49 rounds for each 10 knives of varying size and use and a aussault rifle ak74 and 3 clips and a smg aksu and 5 clips

[Ball Tripper]

Would you really need 10 knives? I could only see more than 2 knives being carried if you plan on throwing them. You need to be incredibly experienced to throw a knife and reliably hit a moving target with the blade, and I think you would also need to be exceptionally strong to pierce a skull with a thrown blade. Overall I think throwing knives against a zombie would be a weapon of opportunity/desperation, not something to rely on.

[Bob]

Ten knives does seem a bit extreme.
In the Zpaw knives should be looked at as tools not primary or secondary weapons.

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

M1 abrams tank because it can run on all most anything including alchol :lol:

[Birdman44]

Got seven knives, you never know when just one will go dull :doh:. i got a .44 magnum, glock .40 cal, .45-70, .30-06, 2 12 gauges, and 2 .22's. outa them ide take all my knives in my backpack (i dont have a sharpener) maybe a shotgun, my pistols, and probably my .30-06.

[CAVU45]

I'm never without a gun of some type readily at hand. So I'll either have my Bushmaster M4, Taurus PT945, or 1911A1 (my everyday carry gun).

[EvilWeasel35]

Nope, there aren't even any hunting stores. I'd have to get a gun off the black market here in england

There are stores in the UK bu not many and now you can only get black powder and air rifles. The licence rules for the NRA don't allow us anything other than sporting guns now and nothing with real bullets. :x If you're a gang you can get then illegally but I'm not going there.
If we are talking what is to hand when the time comes then if I'm at home it will be one of two swords. If I'm at uni then this should be posted in the 'how screwed are you?' thread as I will have to hit them over the head with a folder! :scare:

[Comander Shaw]

There are stores in the UK bu not many and now you can only get black powder and air rifles. The licence rules for the NRA don't allow us anything other than sporting guns now and nothing with real bullets. :x If you're a gang you can get then illegally but I'm not going there.
If we are talking what is to hand when the time comes then if I'm at home it will be one of two swords. If I'm at uni then this should be posted in the 'how screwed are you?' thread as I will have to hit them over the head with a folder! :scare:

Wow that sucks for y'all:doh::poo::x:?

[kiltedninja]

Got seven knives, you never know when just one will go dull :doh:. i got a .44 magnum, glock .40 cal, .45-70, .30-06, 2 12 gauges, and 2 .22's. outa them ide take all my knives in my backpack (i dont have a sharpener) maybe a shotgun, my pistols, and probably my .30-06.

I think that you need to invest in a sharpener mate, because what happens when all seven of those knives goes dull, and your guns are out of ammo?

[mattifikation]

7-10 knives is a lot of redundant weight. I'd be carrying two, tops. If you keep them sharpened they won't go dull at the same time.

I thought UK folk were allowed to have hunting rifles with a permit?

[EvilWeasel35]

7-10 knives is a lot of redundant weight. I'd be carrying two, tops. If you keep them sharpened they won't go dull at the same time.

I thought UK folk were allowed to have hunting rifles with a permit?

Yes, they are. Though the insurance and rules on keeping any guns on your own property are such a pain that it's not worth it! Check out the link below. Go to 'Home' then 'disciplines' and it lists the types of guns we can use in the UK.
http://www.nra.org.uk/ I'm thinking of joining! :shotg:

[Comander Shaw]

Yes, they are. Though the insurance and rules on keeping any guns on your own property are such a pain that it's not worth it! Check out the link below. Go to 'Home' then 'disciplines' and it lists the types of guns we can use in the UK.
http://www.nra.org.uk/ I'm thinking of joining! :shotg:

Do it for preperation for Z-Day.

[Ball Tripper]

Is the possibility of your knife going dull really that much of a thing to worry about? Your not going to be shaving with it... A dull knife will pierce a zombie skull just as well as a sharp knife, you'll be stabbing not cutting. And it would have to get extremely dull before it can no longer serve it's purpose as a tool, a knife doesn't need a razor edge to cut a rope or to cut a steak.

[Comander Shaw]

Is the possibility of your knife going dull really that much of a thing to worry about? Your not going to be shaving with it... A dull knife will pierce a zombie skull just as well as a sharp knife, you'll be stabbing not cutting. And it would have to get extremely dull before it can no longer serve it's purpose as a tool, a knife doesn't need a razor edge to cut a rope or to cut a steak.

Shouldn't, a blunt melee object does just fine so should a dull blade.:axe:

[kiltedninja]

Your combat knife won't be the worry, that can do dull, just so long as the point stays sharp, but other knives should stay sharp.

[Birdman44]

7-10 knives is a lot of redundant weight. I'd be carrying two, tops. If you keep them sharpened they won't go dull at the same time.

I thought UK folk were allowed to have hunting rifles with a permit?

exactly my problem. i lost my sharpener and will be getting another soon.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you're not very good at sharpening with a whet stone, then there is this wonderful sharpener that you can find at most hardware stores. Its a yellow handle thing with a notch that you slide the blade through and it actually shaves the metal down to a sharp edge. I got so used to using it that I kind of started losing my touch with the stone, and now that I have lost the yellow one, I have to dead with blunt blades for a while. It only costs like 5 bucks.
Hurray blades!

[mattifikation]

Any idea what it's called? I need one. I'm crap with anything that doesn't basically sharpen the knife for me.

[GeorgeARomeroknowsall]

I say get some crossbow, katana, crowbar action going on! While all of you loud gunners are distracting them, i make my get away! If only it was that simple though, if all zombies went to loud noises at once.

[EvilWeasel35]

Do it for preperation for Z-Day.

That's what I thought! :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

It looks like this. You can find it at almost any hardware store. Mostly ACE.
http://ace.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pACE-995585dt.jpg
Its friggin' wonderful.

[kiltedninja]

A carbide sharpener, those are useful for a quick edge, but I don't like them for a good edge, I prefer the whet stone or a sharpening steel.

[Dave Of The Dead]

A carbide sharpener, those are useful for a quick edge, but I don't like them for a good edge, I prefer the whet stone or a sharpening steel.

Yeah, the edge doesn't last like it would with a whet stone or anything, but it gets it a hell of a lot sharper and the fact that it doesn't take long to do is a plus in my book.

[Twister]

In case of a zombie outbreak I will have 3 weapons with me.

Primary: Rifle (with scope)
Take 'em out while they're far away from you.

Secondary: Katana
Yes, I know where to get a good one. This is the most useful melee weapon as it has some range and cuts through stuff easily.

Third: Compact Fire Axe
It has various practical uses besides killing zeds, thats why in case of an outbreak I would not hesitate to take this tool with me.

You can carry all three and not loose too much speed.

[DeathWalkingTerror]

I would go with the Katana because there is a sword shop near my house and it was made to slice through bone and flesh and it would make for easy decapitations.

[mrlaughingman]

i keep a hatchet on my bed side table i have a gun but i keep it locked away. im hardcore i want to kill my attacker with my own hands not with a bullet.

[CAVU45]

Yeh. You're hardcore alright.

[Ball Tripper]

Yeh. You're hardcore alright.

You know nothing of honor and the way of the sword!!!

[Dave Of The Dead]

Close combat should always be your last choice in the ZPAW. A second close is shoot them, and first would be run like hell.

[CAVU45]

You know nothing of honor and the way of the sword!!!


If you say so. You da man, hardcore to have all that experience.

[JimiVengeance]

i love shotguns because yes they may be a close range weapon but with suck a widespread shot youre pretty much guranteed to take em out

[Hitman]

i love shotguns because yes they may be a close range weapon but with suck a widespread shot youre pretty much guranteed to take em out

no, shot doesn't just magicly spread and hit every thing when fired. remember 1" for every yard is a decent enough rule of thumb.

[Nameless1]

I'd go with a rifle or I don't know if you would consider a carbine an assault rifle but something that is auto-loading but doesn't have the burst or full auto settings. I think those setting would be too tempting to use in a panic.

[Bob]

Post a pic of your compact fire axe.
I am not familiar with that of which you speak.

[Twister]

Post a pic of your compact fire axe.
I am not familiar with that of which you speak.

http://www.campist.com/archives/gerber-back-paxe-axe.jpg

[BenAli]

Post a pic of your compact fire axe.
I am not familiar with that of which you speak.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000051XJH/dvdhills-20

I think this is what he is talking about. :doh:

[Bob]

The Gerber is a hatchet, the other has a 16" handle how long is the handle on a conventional axe? Three feet perhaps? I dunno

[mrlaughingman]

just 3 letters people BFG (doom reference)

[Twister]

The Gerber is a hatchet, the other has a 16" handle how long is the handle on a conventional axe? Three feet perhaps? I dunno

The gerber was described as a Compact Fire Axe. I dunno though.

[Bob]

Twister
O-Tay if you say so, the ones I have seen were more of a hatchet but contrary to popular belief I can be wrong.

[CAVU45]

That's the Gerber Back Paxe, not a fire axe. Check it out here at the Gerber site. Handy little tool anyway.

http://www.gerbergear.com/index.php/product/id/182

[detpat]

i saw a documentary on the modern fire axe once. I was amazed at what you can do with those things! i never knew they were so versatile and what went into the design and manufacture. in a ZPAW i would definitely keep an eye out for one.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I saw a video where the Gerber hatchet was compared to the cold steel kukri and they both did about the same in the same amount of time (chopping through a 2x4)

[zombiehunterp]

I would grab my bug out bag and then anything that is close knife, large heavy pole, stick, old hard sock etc.:lol:

[mattifikation]

Okay, I've looked through the forum and we have threads dedicated to:

AK47's vs. M16's
"One" handgun of choice
Melee weapons of all kinds
Weapons you don't want
Notorious longarms

And so on.

We also have "Anti-Zed Weapon of Choice," which asks us to pick a single weapon besides a gun (even though "rifle" is a choice in the poll.)

But we don't have an all-around "Best combination of weapons" thread.

So, I ask you all these questions:

What would be your primary firearm?
What would be your back-up firearm?
What melee weapon would you take to best compliment your firearm selection?

I'm starting this thread because we don't have a thread dedicated to discussing the full armament we'd load up with on Z-Day, and it gets old trying to remember what everyone picked on several different threads to get an idea of how they'd be loading up.

For my primary firearm, I'd try to get my hands on an HK G3. I know the bullets are big, but the gun has that "reach out and touch somebody" appeal. Until then, I'd haul around my Ak-47.

For my back-up firearm, I'd take my Springfield XD-9.

And for my melee weapon I'd take a collapsible baton.

[Redfields]

Havent really thought of this....

My primary would be the standard carbine due to the fact that there probably would be ammo for it around when the national guard is around but, for where I live, Australia it will be the AUG

so that makes my primary weapon an AUG

My secondary weapon wold either be a pistol because of mobility and being able to hold a melee weapon with my left arm (both my arms are as strong as each other, just right hand more co-ordinated)
Or a sniper...

That makes it
Primary weapon: Steyr AUG
Secondary weapon: Standard S&W 9mm *all around with the police*
Melee to go with pistol: Lead pipe/Boltcutters/Fire axe
However if my secondary weapon is a long range rifle, then Ill have a find a melee weapon with a back strap.

btw, these are realistic choices because of the availability during an outbreak.

[Darkness]

"The Anti Zed Weapon of Choice Thread isn't for just single weapon combat, dear. And since the Poll has the option of 'Other' you need not limit your discussion to the weapons in the list." ;-)

[Birdman44]

Well my combo during the start of the outbreak would be my .22 if its effective against zeds and my fathers .44 magnum. After the initial infection (when everything settles down) i would try to get into the local police station to grab ahold of an AR15 and a glock (the police love those glocks around here :)) my melee weapon would probably either be a crowbar, mostly for its other uses, or a machete for doing dirty work when i get tired of shooting. And i never get tired of shooting :evil:

[Victor Clark]

I wouldn't want a gun in the start of the outbreak. They're loud, they use bullets which can easily run out, and I could accidentally kill someone who's still alive (in the beginning of the outbreak, there will probably be a lot of people around who could get in the crossfire). I would want something which is reusable, long lasting, quiet, and still lethal. My choices would be:

A crossbow: quiet, deadly, easy to use (except in loading and reloading), and you can use the same arrow repetidly!

A baseball bat (preferably wooden): deadly, light, not much maintenence, and also quiet.

And some sort of shield: Even though that won't be deadly, it can save your life in close quarters, as well as others.

[CAVU45]

Originally my first choices would have been my;
Bushmaster M4
1911A1
Collapsible baton

But further thinking has me considering changing the first two. Now I would be tempted to go with a Marlin lever action and Ruger GP100 both in .357Mag.

[bootsy]

my combination would be
primary: Mosin-Nagant Sniper Rifle. probably the most rugged and reliable sniper rifle in Australia that i can realistically get my hands on.
Secondary: M1911 pistol reliable rugged and plenty of ammo.
Melee: folding trench shovel. useful for many things.

i think i could last almost forever against an army of shambers if i was defending and if i was on a team i would be invaluable because i would be able to see the zombies coming a mile off.

[mattifikation]

Originally my first choices would have been my;
Bushmaster M4
1911A1
Collapsible baton

But further thinking has me considering changing the first two. Now I would be tempted to go with a Marlin lever action and Ruger GP100 both in .357Mag.

I'm curious why you've ditched weapons with quick follow up shots and are settling for slower weapons. And what about reloading?

[CAVU45]

I've not ditched them. I am considering making a switch though. It's a very versatile package. Both weapons using the same caliber means the ability to carry more ammo. Ease of operation and maintenance. Rugged and reliable As you pointed out, there are drawbacks though for the lever gun especially. Slower rate of fire. slower reload. It's a tough choice. I may not actually swap my weapons, but it is tempting.

[mattifikation]

What about an MP5, with a high capacity 9mm pistol? Then you'd have two guns using the same round, without sacrificing capacity or speed.

[CAVU45]

Good choice. I'm just not a fan of the 9mm. Never have been. My wife owns a Ruger 9mm that I've been trying to get her to get rid of for years now. If I was going to go all out and money wasn't a factor I'd buy the HK USP Tactical and USC in .45ACP.

[mattifikation]

Yeahhh now that's the stuff.

I've seen semi-auto MP5's available in 357 sig and 40 sw from Vector Arms, but I don't think they're still in production.

[Birdman44]

I've seen semi-auto MP5's available in 357 sig and 40 sw from Vector Arms, but I don't think they're still in production.

Now the mp5 in .40 s&w would be something :) just get a .40 s&w glock to go along with it and you got yourself a get lethal combo. I agree with you though, a regular mp5 with a 9mm pistol would be great. Either way i would be fortunate to find myself with any of them during zday.

[InkeReAnimator]

I'm not saying you shouldn't carry a melee weapon but hopefully you can avoid them getting that close. Since that wouldn't be entirely avoidable I'd have to say the first thing I would grab would be the heavy wood club I have in my room. I DO have a large collection of knives and swords however the swords are merely display and I don't intend on getting close enough to try to put a dagger through a zeds skull because 1. I don't want within biting range and 2. I don't need fluid splash back. Also with bladed weapons they can become lodged into a zed very easily thus voiding you of a sharp edge for utility or living opponent defense.

[Noc]

Hmm well in my house the only weapon like thing that would be useful against zombies would either be an old rusted machete or my firemans tomahawk

so i would grab either one of those both if i had time/room to put them

[mattifikation]

Take the tomahawk.

A rusty blade is worthless.

[Birdman44]

Take the tomahawk.

A rusty blade is worthless.

Unless you want to get tetanus of course! :lol:

But im with ya on this one. You could can use the extra leverage given to get through walls if needed or use it to cut trees for firewood and also as a weapon. Bottom line it has many uses possibly even more than a good machete let alone a rusty one.

[Noc]

Yeah i suppose you're right maybe the machete would be good for cutting through bush but now i think about it the axe would do more damage as well as lasting a hell of alot longer

[kiltedninja]

You know nothing of honor and the way of the sword!!!

I prefer the way of the .45 caliber, or the way of the .40 S&W. Or the way of getting the f**k out of there, they're a lot more relevant in todays world.

[CAVU45]

Originally Posted by Ball Tripper
You know nothing of honor and the way of the sword!!!

The way of the sword is the way of suicide today. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.:)

[Chaos Nightbringer]

Usually my choice would be the shotgun if I knew I had guys backing me up, but with faster 'Rage' infected super zombies (I'll call them what I want. They won't care.) I'd definitely go with the fastest reloading weaponry. Even with some of the slower zombies, I'd still use an assault rifle or a very powerful shotgun with a large (possibly extended) magazine. And we haven't really thought of the fact that the U.S. army does have assault shotguns with faster reloads. The only problem is, Assault rifles are probably harder to aim than your average firearm with no scope. I'm useless with a pistol, so I'd probably carry a 30-30 lever action rifle for when I run out.

Never, never pick an assault rifle with a grenade launcher. You'll keep your hand on the second trigger and accidentally fire when a Zombie is in your face and blow your hands off before the rest of the bunch come and eat you. An underslung shotgun on an assault rifle, though heavier, will come in handy.

[CAVU45]

Usually my choice would be the shotgun if I knew I had guys backing me up, but with faster 'Rage' infected super zombies (I'll call them what I want. They won't care.) I'd definitely go with the fastest reloading weaponry. Even with some of the slower zombies, I'd still use an assault rifle or a very powerful shotgun with a large (possibly extended) magazine. And we haven't really thought of the fact that the U.S. army does have assault shotguns with faster reloads. The only problem is, Assault rifles are probably harder to aim than your average firearm with no scope. I'm useless with a pistol, so I'd probably carry a 30-30 lever action rifle for when I run out.

Never, never pick an assault rifle with a grenade launcher. You'll keep your hand on the second trigger and accidentally fire when a Zombie is in your face and blow your hands off before the rest of the bunch come and eat you. An underslung shotgun on an assault rifle, though heavier, will come in handy.


Completely and totally untrue. Assault rifles are not any harder to aim or fire than the average firearm. That's just plain silly. Iron sights are iron sights regardless of the firearm. And if someone is holding the weapon correctly there is no way they will accidentally or otherwise pull the trigger on the M203. Even if someone is holding it incorrectly the possibility of actually depressing the grenade launcher trigger are next to nil. The rifle has to be held a certain way to be able to use the 203. That grip can be in no way confused with the way one would hold the rifle to fire it normally. And even then if someone were to somehow monumentally screw up and pop off a grenade from the tube it wouldn't explode in their face or blow off their hands. The projectile wouldn't have traveled far enough to arm itself. It's obvious you haven't really seen a M203 or have any real experience with assault rifles. Look down the tube at the rifling in. It's there to spin the grenade. The grenade has to spin so much before it will arm. That puts it safely down range.

[Bob]

I have a 20 round drum magazine on order for one of my shotguns.
I also have 10 round stick magazines for them.
Is that large enough capacity for you Mr. Nightbringer?

[Birdman44]

I have a 20 round drum magazine on order for one of my shotguns.
I also have 10 round stick magazines for them.
Is that large enough capacity for you Mr. Nightbringer?

That large enough for me :evil: My dad and I just found an old stash of buckshot lying around so I may just take the shotgun should anything come up.

And as far as the M16 with an M203 goes, ide love to find one of those layin around in zpaw :machgun2: It would be a blast! Get it?!:lol:

[hotlead]

You know nothing of honor and the way of the sword!!!

Those who live by the sword get shot by those who live by the gun
:shotg:__________________________________:saw:(I know it's a chainsaw, but you get the idea)

My preferences,

1st- M1A, 7 mags+5 bandoleers= 440rds
2nd- 1911A1, 5 mags+90rd bandoleer= 125rds
3rd- bayonet makes the rifle a clumsy, expensive, inefficient spear/club like object
4th- M-1917 bolo knife, more of a camp tool
5th- E-tool
6th- LPCs
7th- Ka-Bar
8th- hope for change

Mrs. Hotleads preferences,

1st- Mini-14, 9 mags+2 bandoleers= 420rds
2nd- 1911A1, 5 mags+1 box= 85rds
3rd- hatchet
4th- LPCs
5th- mini Ka-Bar
6th- hope for change

[Birdman44]

Should the zeds start rising, I'm probably only be going to shoot on a needed basis. That being said what would be the best gun of choice I could get my hands on legally? I do live in jersey and theres a lot of people here so I'de want ammo to be plentiful and the gun not to be too hard with recoil and preferably be cheap. My mind is thinking the ak, but is there any better choices you guys believe in?

[hotlead]

The M1A and the Mini-14 are both legal in New Jersey, both semi-auto with a standard/factory 20rd mag, both chambered in NATO cartridges, utterly reliable, neither of them have the EBR look but are just as effective, and both are capable of minute-of-Zedhead accuracy in the right hands. As far as price, you can get two Mini-14s, a dozen factory 20rd mags, and 1,000rds of .223 for the price of an M1A these days. Just my opinion.

[kiltedninja]

I'd carry the gun mostly for things which we're not allowed to speak of here. I'd use either my machete or my wonderful running skills to avoid Zack, if he's close enough for me to kill him, I can do it with a machete. If I can outrun him, I don't care.

[Birdman44]

Thanks I'll look into the Mini, sounds good.:)

[bleahh]

I'll take weapons that are silent and swift like the hunting crossbow and a genuine japanese katana. The quieter the assassination of zeds, the less attention you get. But if I get surrounded, I'll break out my trusty autoshotgun!

[Bob]

So you are a member of the Steven Segal school of Zombie hunters then...

[Birdman44]

I'm sure a hunting crossbow can penetrate the skull to some extent, but can it really be that reliable? And even if it could penetrate skull with a direct shot, wouldn't the shot be deflected a lot of the time due to the roundness of the skull?

[kiltedninja]

I prefer the machete and rifle combination, a little louder, but you know it'll work.

[hotlead]

Machetes and katanas are too much work, I'll leave those for the shopping mall commandos and knife shop ninjas. For the amount of time and energy it takes to brain a Z with some Bud K catalog special, I could make three head shots with a pistol and run a few dozen yards.

Rifle, Pistol, Ammo, and running shoes for me.

Remember what the wise man say, " He who lives by the sword, gets shot by he who lives by the gun"

[kiltedninja]

I understand that, but the machete isn't solely a weapon, if you're traversing dense vegitation then you'll be wishing you had that machete. If I have to be that close to a zombie, then It's probably going to be a 'take as many down with me as possible' situation, at which point I'm screwed.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Machetes and katanas are too much work, I'll leave those for the shopping mall commandos and knife shop ninjas. For the amount of time and energy it takes to brain a Z with some Bud K catalog special, I could make three head shots with a pistol and run a few dozen yards.

Rifle, Pistol, Ammo, and running shoes for me.

Remember what the wise man say, " He who lives by the sword, gets shot by he who lives by the gun"

:lol: anyone who shops at bud k or true swords for a reliable weapon is an idiot, or even walmart for that matter... I am a huge fan for the blade as a melee weapon and I'm sure most of you already know that, but that doesn't mean it should be used all of the time. I'll go for a carbine any day and a 9mm or .45 pistol as backup. But when you don't want to bring attention to yourself and you're only facing one or two zombies at the most, a blade and I mean a REAL BLADE, is the way to go. If you seriously want to talk about the what to want and what not to want in a blade, discuss it with me in the blade forums and i'll enlighten you. I do live by the sword, but I won't bring one to a gun fight.

[homelitexl]

i choose my trusty homelite brand chainsaw my double barrel shotgun, autumn my 308. , and my armor suit.

[Bob]

Howdy Homelite

Haven't seen you around in a while.
What kind of ammo do you feed Autumn?

[homelitexl]

i prefer to use hollow points.

[Deadman83]

I always have a Handgun on me so it would most likely be the first thing I would use if a zombie outbreak happened.

But I would much rather have a Model '92 Lever Action Carbine in .357 Mag (That is next on my Guns to get list because it shares the same ammo with my 686,and can fire .38 special if needed)

[kiltedninja]

I do live by the sword, but I won't bring one to a gun fight.

I'll bring one, but I won't use it, I'll stick to the gun thanks.

I live by the way of opportunity, or using what is needed.

[Lycos]

Choose a Primary, Secondary, and Close Range Weapon. Also give a last resort weapon just for desperate times.


Primary: M1 Carbine

Secondary: Duel 9mm

Close Range: Ninja-to and Dagger set

Last Resort: Grenade

[kiltedninja]

Alrighty, I'll give you guys my setup.

Primary: M1A, maybe my Lee Enfield, depending on if my dad took the M1A.

Secondary: a 1911 pistol.

Close Range: Machete and CRKT First Strike.

Last Resort: Seppuku.

There you go, that's my toys.

[Bob]

Something most people don't think about when thinking knives is utility work.
You are going to need a good utility knife more than a fancy serrated fighting knife. An excellent all round knife is the plain old K-Bar. Large, strong, holds a decent edge. Can be used to eliminate a sentry or cut your dinner.

[homelitexl]

thats what a steak knife is for.

[Creeping Death]

I forgot to post this a while ago. :doh:

I'd probably try to use one of the newer M-16 models.
Either A4, or A3.
Maybe I'd use the G36C...who knows. :drool:

But from reading the posts in the gun threads, I can tell that Assault Rifle's are very handy, and effective.

I chose the Assault Rifle, and other. :machgun2:

My other, would be grenades. :evil:

[mattifikation]

Grenades kill by causing soft tissue damage and blood loss. They're not very good against the undead.

[detpat]

the bursting charge in grenades is MUCH smaller than most folks think. just enough to spread fragments a few yards.

[homelitexl]

how about a pork and beans can for a weapon.

[Birdman44]

Grenades kill by causing soft tissue damage and blood loss. They're not very good against the undead.

What about high explosive grenades? Or phosphorus grenades? Would those work better than frags?

[mattifikation]

Any grenade would have some amount of effectiveness, but it's not gonna be nearly the range of effectiveness you'd see if you used one on a perrr.. uh... a ballistic dummy representing a person.

Higher explosives would work better. Phosphorous grenades would work eventually, but then you have the whole "being chased by burning zombies who are lighting everything around them on fire" scenario.

Personally, I wouldn't use a weapon that's inherently more dangerous to myself than it is to my enemies. I just don't like how those odds stack up.

[Krazymouse]

The best weapon would probably be a boombox playing Thriller!

Seriously though, an accurate automatic gun without much recoil will work very well. just put it at head level and spray!

[CAVU45]

That would work if all the zeds were massed tightly together and all the same height.

[kiltedninja]

We're not killing zombie clones, so they're not going to be all the same height.

[Creeping Death]

I was thinking that the Grenades could blow their legs off, therefore I could run by them with relative ease. :think:

[Bob]

Land mines for the win!

[kiltedninja]

Land mines are part of my new plan for a border, anyone who wants to know can PM me.

Anyway, I think that explosives would serve as a detterent for Zack.

[50 cal]

One of my AR15's. And the Glock 17 or Beretta 92.

[Rubble...]

how about a pork and beans can for a weapon.


Good, toss them in a sock or tie them to the end of a stick. Limited use though. Maybe you could fill them with cement after you eat the beans before putting them on a stick.

[Rubble...]

Bean can nun chucks!:clap:

[Rubble...]

Bean can shaped charge.
Bean can anti personnel mine (bouncing betty :))
Bean can with a bunch of rattly rocks to make a distraction:drinking:

[Interdeadical]

Well since I live in the UK, and correct me if I'm wrong, we can't carry guns around, I would choose my TV as a one time use weapon and one of the snooker balls in a sock as a recurring weapon.

I'm screwed :drool:

[PitBullDog]

I would go with a carbine, sniper, handguns, a machete, and a shotgun. That way I have weapons for all scenarios.:guns::shotg::zom2:

[Bob]

Why not a Quad 50 and a Nuclear Sub?

[Rubble...]

Why not a Quad 50 and a Nuclear Sub?

The issue with the Quad 50 is that it's usually vehicle mounted on a half track, therefore making it my "Vehicle of Choice."

The issue with the nuclear sub, it's either my "Vehicle of Choice" or "Zombie Safe House."

Perhaps a new thread..."vehicle mounted weapons and those vehicles of choice."

I like amphibious soviet trucks and their ICBM's, and attached team of troops.
http://allthingszombie.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=486&stc=1&d=1238369345

[homelitexl]

ok how about dick cheney he shots everyhting you don't have to worry.

[CAVU45]

Why not a Quad 50 and a Nuclear Sub?

I saw quad M2's mounted in the back of an old Ford F150 at Knob Creek. What an absolutely awesome ****ing sight that was. The old guy who owned the setup spent the entire year reloading just for that one weekend.

[kiltedninja]

That's a lot of F--Kin ammo.

I've got some good weapons around my house, since my rifles are at my dad's across the busiest parts of town.

Hatchet, machete, a baseball bat(short term weapon), hammers out the ass, combat and utility knives, some wrought iron bars, and a wakizashi. I'd likely go with my combat knife, either the machete or wakizashi, and distribute the rest among any friends I happen to be able to reach.

[Darth Erroneous]

I would choose a rifle. Not a fully automatic rifle, but a good semi-auto rifle. Off hand I would say a M1 Carbine with some 20 round magazines. Can't go wrong with that.

[homelitexl]

just give me 308. ammo and point the way.

[Darth Erroneous]

just give me 308. ammo and point the way.

Bolt action or semi-auto?

[MaxVeers]

After doing a lot of research, I think I'm buying my first firearm this weekend, perhaps, or sometime soon.

I wanted something powerful but extremely simple so that it had less chance of breaking or having issues. After reading reviews and various info, I settled on a 12 or 20 gauge New England Pardner shotgun.

Cheap, simple, lasts forever, and easy to clean, care for, and find ammo for.


I'm also considering a cheap sidearm, a handgun or something similar. What do you guys think in that respect?

[Bob]

Well, buy what makes you happy but I think you would be better served by a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500.
There is a reason the pros primarily use those two shotguns.

I will offer this one piece of advice, when shopping for a self defense firearm ask yourself "what is my life worth to me?".

[hotlead]

I aggree totally with Bob, for a scattergun Remmy 870s and Mossy 500 versions are the way to go. You can't beat a 1911 type for a side arm either, a good medium sized .357 revolver( Colt Python, S&W 686, or similar) is pretty close, though.

The only thing I've found that is both cheap and reliable is a rock. You know a rock will always be a rock, and able to do what a rock can do, and is about as cheap as it gets.

My preference is the Mossberg M590A1.

"Ol' Painless" gets it done!!!

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[kiltedninja]

Well since you've got that shotgun, can I have the OKC3S? How is the weight on those compared to the old Ka-bars? That's the knife I'm most familiar with.

I've not fired many shotguns, but I know about the .357 S&W, though I prefer something with a higher capacity, no matter how much I like revolvers.

But yes, a rock will always be able to do what a rock does, and that is...Rock. A rock doesn't rap, it doesn't do Reggae, it's not into pop, it's all about rock.

While I prefer knives and baton like weapons, I know not to use a knife in a gun fight. Unless the other guy runs out of ammo, and you happen to be as well.

[hotlead]

Sorry, the bayonet goes with Ol' Painless, they're a matched set. It weighs about the same as a KaBar, but the blade is about an inch longer.

The handle also has much better grip than the leather handled KaBars, particularly when they are wet or bloody( I've used lots of different knives for dressing game ). The old KaBar, which is still my favorite, with the stacked leather handle gets real greasy and slippery when covered in blood.

The mini KaBar with the synthetic handle makes a real handy knife, that doesn't slip too much when wet or bloody.

All you have to do is get a Mossy 590, and then you'd need to get an OKC3S:lol:...........that piece of advice is free, see what a good guy I am.

[MaxVeers]

Well, buy what makes you happy but I think you would be better served by a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500.
There is a reason the pros primarily use those two shotguns.

I will offer this one piece of advice, when shopping for a self defense firearm ask yourself "what is my life worth to me?".

I think a multi-chamber/clip-style on a shotgun is a bit unnessicary. Most anything you're going to shoot, in a hunting situation or in self-defense, will be gone if you miss the first time around (or use the time spent reloading the chamber with a pump to make a move). In a face-to-face zombie situation, unless there's a LOT more than a few at once and you can't move at all to a higher or safer ground to reload and make your shot, your screwed whether you've got five shots or one. And the reload time, if you are well-practiced, is only marginally different between a break-open and a pump action, if your ammo is in a readily-available place. The reduction of parts that might jam or break in a post-apocalyptic or similar situation is also a BIG plus. Not exactly a time and place where you can just walk or drive to a local shop or get online and order a replacement part or something (tools) to repair the gun with. The sort of Left 4 Dead pump-shoot-pump-shoot-pump-shoot-pump-shoot-pump-shoot-reload situation isn't likely to happen very often, and when it does, if you've got a shotgun, unlike a game, you're likely to be fodder for something, anyway.

Just my thoughts on it, having given it some time and consideration.

[hotlead]

I don't know what a "multi-chamber/clip style" shotgun is, unless you mean a pump action repeating shotgun with a tube magazine. I also don't know how many armed defense situations you've been in that leads you to believe everything ends after the first shot, or how much experience you have that shows you a sigle-shot break open is only marginally slower to reload than a repeating shotgun, but I think you'll badly short change yourself with a single-shot scattergun for self defense from zombies or anything else.

I've never heard of or had any parts breakage issues with any of the top-of-the-heap pumps. My Granddad bought a Winchester Mod 12 new in the late 30s from a hardware store, he hunted with it weekly, ran off a few would be intruders, and kept it in his truck daily and has never had a single problem, all the while living in North Dakota. He still hunts with it today.

As Bob says, there is a reason the people who get paid to carry a shotgun have chosen to use a pump 12ga for over 100 years. Having used shotguns in various situations myself, some more fun than others, I would not choose or advise the use of a single-shot shotgun for anything.

I'd also choose a pump over a semi-auto for offense/defense work, the reliability of semi's just hasn't caught up with pumps in cycling all types of 12ga rounds. Semi-auto technology will be there one day soon, just not today in my experience.

You're a free man and can make your own choices, but as you say this will be your first firearm, and as a free man you just can't go wrong with the versatility of an 870 or 500.

Just my thoughts on it, having a few years of first hand experience.

[MaxVeers]

I don't know what a "multi-chamber/clip style" shotgun is, unless you mean a pump action repeating shotgun with a tube magazine.


Yes, I'm talking about a magazine, and I'm pretty sure you knew what I was talking about. My word usage isn't the issue here, so let's not degenerate into tearing eachother's statements apart with little more to go on than poor English.


I also don't know how many armed defense situations you've been in that leads you to believe everything ends after the first shot, or how much experience you have that shows you a sigle-shot break open is only marginally slower to reload than a repeating shotgun, but I think you'll badly short change yourself with a single-shot scattergun for self defense from zombies or anything else.

...And how many have you? I honestly doubt that many people here have EVER been in a combat situation with a shotgun. Military and retired military aside, I think just about everything here is speculation. The "marginally slower" comment was based on a statistic I read while deciding which weapon was best for me. With practice, it was suggested, it's very possible to get the time that it would take to load another shell into a pump action weapon and the time it would take to load another shell into a break-open down to very similar numbers. In a zombie situation, you're most-likely just going to hurt yourself and others if you don't limit and carefully place your shots, not to mention waste ammunition, which you can't exactly just drive down to your local Wal-Mart and grab for 20 bucks in these situations. In a defense situation, you'd hope who ever you're defending yourself against is bright enough to know they're in trouble at close to medium range with a shotgun, whether you've got one shot or more. While I'm not about to claim aiming with a weapon like this isn't important, as some seem to believe and I am not anywhere near so uninformed to agree with, it's dangerous for your attacker no matter what. They're called "scatterguns" for a reason.


I've never heard of or had any parts breakage issues with any of the top-of-the-heap pumps. My Granddad bought a Winchester Mod 12 new in the late 30s from a hardware store, he hunted with it weekly, ran off a few would be intruders, and kept it in his truck daily and has never had a single problem, all the while living in North Dakota. He still hunts with it today.

Yes. "Top-of-the-heap" pumps. When I clearly stated a limited budget. Those two have little to do with one another. It's my experience that, when operating on a budget, it's best to limit components that can break down or become problematic, and that goes for anything.

As Bob says, there is a reason the people who get paid to carry a shotgun have chosen to use a pump 12ga for over 100 years. Having used shotguns in various situations myself, some more fun than others, I would not choose or advise the use of a single-shot shotgun for anything.

As I said, I'm NOT getting paid to carry a shotgun. I'm PAYING to use one, and those funds are limited.

I'd also choose a pump over a semi-auto for offense/defense work, the reliability of semi's just hasn't caught up with pumps in cycling all types of 12ga rounds. Semi-auto technology will be there one day soon, just not today in my experience.

You're a free man and can make your own choices, but as you say this will be your first firearm, and as a free man you just can't go wrong with the versatility of an 870 or 500.

Just my thoughts on it, having a few years of first hand experience.

I think your opinion is a bit beyond the scope of reality, considering that no experience outside of an extended tour in a war would come close to what we're talking about here. While, yes, obviously, we're talking about an extremely unrealistic situation here. But in that same regard, if that's the circumstances, and we're going to simply write it off in such a fashion, we might as well claim that laser rifles or energy swords and electric shields are our best defense. But that's not the case. Taking an unrealistic situation and finding a realistic solution, I don't think I need to tuck away a 300-600 dollar investment in my closet waiting for the day it happens. I don't hunt, I'm a person living in 2009 and fully capable of going to the grocery store for food. I don't live in a bad neighborhood, but even if I did, I don't think I need multiple rounds simultaneous to the other to stop a burgler, kidnapper, or otherwise unwanted intruder. And, in the event of a post-apocalyptic situation, I think people keeping excessive amounts of previsions will just have more to carry and worry about. There's no HUD on life, and I know that in stressful situations, it's easy to lose track of those kinds of things. One shell, one at a time, one shot to get right, makes sense to me.

[CAVU45]

Just my two cents worth here, but in a ZPAW there would be more to worry about than the shamblers. There will be other very much alive human beings who are willing to do violence to take what others have. I doubt very much that a break action shotgun will do much good in that situation, when you have to shoot them in the leg. Besides, break action shotguns don't last forever. The parts break on them just like any other weapon. Yes, there are fewer parts to be concerned with, but it's still a mechanical device.

[Darkness]

Just my two cents worth here, but in a ZPAW there would be more to worry about than the shamblers. There will be other very much alive human beings who are willing to do violence to take what others have. I doubt very much that a break action shotgun will do much good in that situation. Besides, break action shotguns don't last forever. The parts break on them just like any other weapon. Yes, there are fewer parts to be concerned with, but it's still a mechanical device.

"Yes, but this is not a discussion about killing living humans. This is a discussion about killing Zombies. Please keep to the rules, thank you." :naughty:

[Bob]

Today I held an 870 Express Magnum that I could have bought for $130.
The finish was not in very good shape so I passed on it.
Early this year I bought an older 870 Wing Master for $65.
The finish was not great but it is functionally perfect.
Around here the starting price for used non magnum 870s is $179.
What were you looking to spend?

My Daddy used to say that the 870 is the best shotgun a man could own.
He would say if it gets dirty just pump it harder.
He had one that he bought new in the mid 50's.
If I remember correctly he paid $75 for it.
It never gave any trouble and would work with anything.
I hope the bastard that stole it shoots himself in the balls with it.
He would not be thrilled with my Saiga shotguns he would think it was an ill fitted piece of crap with a lousy finish.

When discussing firearms please use the correct terminology or we won't take you seriously.
It is magazine not clip and when speaking American a revolver is not a pistol.

[hotlead]

Max, you seem to have taken offense to the opinions you asked for, and responded in a tone I don't deserve.

I don't want to get you upset here, but I have used these things in real life, as some others here have as well, I've seen what works and what doesn't. You've made up your mind on a firearm other than what I think is the best choice, no problem, this is America, it's good that you are being pro-active in taking responsibility for yourself and your family.

I also didn't want to get you all upset by trying to understand what you were saying when you used the wrong terminology, but it's easier for us to help each other out when we know exactly what we're talking about.

I understand budget economics, the biggest bang for the buck( pun intended ), so look around a little. Check out gun shops that have used and consignment guns, there are great deals to be found at pawn shops even. You don't mention what your budget is, but since you reference the New England Firearms Pardner in 20 or 12ga, I'll assume the cost of a new Pardner is what your budget allows. The NEF Pardner 12/20ga goes for between $115 and $150 new, from what I've seen it's usually closer to the $150 mark, about the same cost of a good used 870 or 500. When refering to "Top of the heap" firearms, it never means the most expensive, it means the most reliable and effective, the arms that are chosen in the highest numbers by those who need the best, not the priciest.

My opinions are 100% based in reality, like I said in my earlier post, from first hand experience, not from reading gun rags, statistics, and looking online.

When things go bad, they go bad real fast, and it's easy to get out of sync with whats going on. That's why you practice, no matter if you get a NEF 20ga, an 870 Police Magnum, or a lazer gun( BTW, where did light sabers and energy shields come from ?), you need to practice to be effective and not hurt yourself or any other good guys. If you don't have the time or inclination to practice, then whatever you get will just be money in the closet, and maybe the cheapest thing is best for you.

Anyway, if I've pissed in your wheaties in some way by offering my opinions then I'm sorry, good luck with whatever you decide.

[Birdman44]

Now, I'm only 15, but i have shot a few shotguns (5 or 6) over my years. I've shot three different kinds, over and unders, semi autos, and pumps, and i can safely say that i would rather be stuck with a pump if i went the way of the shotgun. Reason being the higher capacity of ammo than break action shotguns and more reliability than semi autos when shooting different kinds of shells. Ive had a Remington 1100 choke on a few shells that weren't powerful enough to cycle it all the way, and I wouldn't want that happening during Z-day, however i think its obvious that a pump will eat more than a semi as long as it can feed the shells from the magazine (I have a pump that doesn't let the shells out of the mag when pumped, anyone know a fix to it?). So bottom line my shotgun of choice would be a decent pump shotgun at least.

[CAVU45]

"Yes, but this is not a discussion about killing living humans. This is a discussion about killing Zombies. Please keep to the rules, thank you." :naughty:

Killing living humans? No, no! You misunderstand. I was talking about shooting them in the leg. So you could get away. Like that. I edited my original post to stay within the rules.

[kiltedninja]

Now I've never fought with guns, but I've fought with about anything else you can get your hands on. I know that when the adrenaline hits, and you're taking shots with whatever you have, be it knife, fist or bullet, you're not going to stop to think 'Okay, counter/reload/duck' you're just going to fight, that's why police and military have chosen the weapons they have, because they function like that, in terms of a shotgun, I'd rather just rack the pump once and fire than reload between shots.

This is all based on my experiences, and I'm a relatively well trained fighter. But most of my motor skills are out the window when I'm fighting.

If it came to shotguns, I'd take a Remington 870, I'm familiar with the gun, it's weight and kick. Never fired a Mossberg.
In terms of weapons in general, I'd have to say that I'd take my dad's M1A, our 1911, a machete, and my combat knife. Unless I could get my hands on something better.

I've seen the OKC3S before, never used one. I feel sorry for the Marines, that they're no longer using something that was part of their legend.

[CAVU45]

Bob's right about the used shotguns. Good used one's are easy to find. I picked up My Mossberg 835 Ultimag for $250. It came with the 26" vent rib barrel, A slug barrel, and a 18.5" security barrel. The only thing I had to do to it was clean the grass out of the safety. The previous owner was a bird hunter. Mechanically it's in near excellent shape. I refinished the stock simply because I wanted to

[homelitexl]

i bought a 3ooo$ shotgun recently for 150$

[detpat]

i would say that a shotgun of any kind is a poor shtf weapon as it is limited by several factors like ammo weight, mag capacity and limited range. That's not even mentioning the stout recoil and quick repeat shot difficulty.

if you have a choice take a rifle with a decent capacity and designed to dissipate the heat generated by repeat firing. heat is your enemy, particularly if you are restricted to commercial shotgun shells which are made of plastic and WILL melt in a too hot chamber.

a single shot shotgun is almost the poorest weapon to pick for this application as you are adding a complete reload cycle to each and every shot! a pump only has to be reloaded once every 5 to whatever [only limited by mag capacity]. this adds unnecessary complication to something you WILL be doing under extreme stress. this is a bad thing, trust me!

I know that i don't want a person backing me up who can't trust their own fire discipline to the point that they choose the worst possible weapon! Just because you have additional shots at your disposal doesn't mean that you have to use them. but if you need them and don't have them then you are no longer a factor in anybody's plans!
:x

[CAVU45]

i bought a 3ooo$ shotgun recently for 150$

Really? That's pretty cool. I hope you enjoy it. I recently bought a $5,000 homelite chainsaw for $2. It was still a POS.

[MaxVeers]

Besides, break action shotguns don't last forever. The parts break on them just like any other weapon. Yes, there are fewer parts to be concerned with, but it's still a mechanical device.

Any firearm is a mechanical device, and will be limited to it's ability to retain functionality. That's why we talk about blades and improved weapons. But I'm not talking about those. So, in this situation, limiting the number of moving parts is the best you can do. I've been reading reviews on the piece I'm looking at any many say it was their first weapon. It taught them how to handle a kick, not to mention how to aim in compensation FOR that kick, and after that, other weapons were a breeze. It taught them how to moderate rounds and make each shot count, since they only had one at a time. And many said that, after other guns broke or failed, jammed and needed repaired or replacement parts, and after other weapons were bought, sold, and traded off, they still kept the most reliable of them as an old standby on the baseboard of their truck or in the closet. Many suggest it gets more use than anything else, and has withstood far more use (not just as a firearm, but as a blunt object, as a hammer, as a shovel, etc), and after 30-50 years of use, they still use it more often than not. That appeals to me. It's a teaching device as much as it is anything else, and it's other practical uses and reliability, weighted right next to it's low cost, make it very appealing.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I guess one thing that people tend to overlook is the fact that a firearm with a magazine is only useful when you have enough mags to get through whatever you plan on getting yourself into. What happens when you're on your last mag? IMO, pump action shotties, lever action rifles, and revolvers should always be taken more seriously than a magazine-fed firearm... unless you have a ridiculously huge collection of mags.

[MaxVeers]

Today I held an 870 Express Magnum that I could have bought for $130.
The finish was not in very good shape so I passed on it.
Early this year I bought an older 870 Wing Master for $65.
The finish was not great but it is functionally perfect.
Around here the starting price for used non magnum 870s is $179.
What were you looking to spend?

My Daddy used to say that the 870 is the best shotgun a man could own.
He would say if it gets dirty just pump it harder.
He had one that he bought new in the mid 50's.
If I remember correctly he paid $75 for it.
It never gave any trouble and would work with anything.
I hope the bastard that stole it shoots himself in the balls with it.
He would not be thrilled with my Saiga shotguns he would think it was an ill fitted piece of crap with a lousy finish.

When discussing firearms please use the correct terminology or we won't take you seriously.
It is magazine not clip and when speaking American a revolver is not a pistol.

I've got my eye on a New England Arms Pardner 20 Ga for 80 bucks with some shells thrown in as a bonus. Simple, easy, cheap, reliable, great reviews, and 20 Ga as opposed to 12 because the size is smaller and the kick will be reduced while the load is only marginally smaller.


Also, I'm not entirely sure how worried I am about being "taken seriously" when talking about firearms with firearm enthusiasts on a zombie forum.

[MaxVeers]

Max, you seem to have taken offense to the opinions you asked for, and responded in a tone I don't deserve.

I don't want to get you upset here, but I have used these things in real life, as some others here have as well, I've seen what works and what doesn't. You've made up your mind on a firearm other than what I think is the best choice, no problem, this is America, it's good that you are being pro-active in taking responsibility for yourself and your family.

I also didn't want to get you all upset by trying to understand what you were saying when you used the wrong terminology, but it's easier for us to help each other out when we know exactly what we're talking about.

I understand budget economics, the biggest bang for the buck( pun intended ), so look around a little. Check out gun shops that have used and consignment guns, there are great deals to be found at pawn shops even. You don't mention what your budget is, but since you reference the New England Firearms Pardner in 20 or 12ga, I'll assume the cost of a new Pardner is what your budget allows. The NEF Pardner 12/20ga goes for between $115 and $150 new, from what I've seen it's usually closer to the $150 mark, about the same cost of a good used 870 or 500. When refering to "Top of the heap" firearms, it never means the most expensive, it means the most reliable and effective, the arms that are chosen in the highest numbers by those who need the best, not the priciest.

My opinions are 100% based in reality, like I said in my earlier post, from first hand experience, not from reading gun rags, statistics, and looking online.

When things go bad, they go bad real fast, and it's easy to get out of sync with whats going on. That's why you practice, no matter if you get a NEF 20ga, an 870 Police Magnum, or a lazer gun( BTW, where did light sabers and energy shields come from ?), you need to practice to be effective and not hurt yourself or any other good guys. If you don't have the time or inclination to practice, then whatever you get will just be money in the closet, and maybe the cheapest thing is best for you.

Anyway, if I've pissed in your wheaties in some way by offering my opinions then I'm sorry, good luck with whatever you decide.

It's cool, man. I get defensive pretty quick on forums. Some people are less reasonable than others, and it's hard to tell who's being a sarcastic prick and who's being genuine.

The terminology thing is just a personal pet peeve. It's like correcting someone for misspelling a word on a forum, it's often used as a last-ditch effort for argument's sake to make someone feel as if they've "won" the argument because the proved the other person wrong on at least something, if not anything more than pure spelling. But I see where you're coming from with trying to make sure everyone is on the same page, so I appreciate it.

The Pardner I've found is 80 bucks used. The 870 they had in the shop next to it was 390 used.

The laser rifle comment was just sort of suggesting, if we're going to dilute the conversation by saying "this is an unrealistic situation, so we can use unrealistic solutions," like my ability to purchase and own some massive semi-or-fully auto rifle or a Mossberg tactical pump action on my budget and means, we might as well be talking about Star Wars weapons, because I'm just as likely to get my hands on one of those. It was just a analogy.

I think my previous post explains the concept of practice and disopline pretty well.

But again, I didn't mean to get so defensive, and I appreciate your level-headed explanation. Thanks.

[detpat]

if your local shop wants that much for a used plain 870 you need to shop elsewhere!

[F0rgivingS0rrow]

A ferocious lion tamer with an even more ferocious lion.

[mattifikation]

Wouldn't you want the lion to be slightly less ferocious so that the tamer could handle it?

[Bob]

I agree with Detpat.


Since you don't care about the opinions of firearm enthusiasts on a zombie forum, I won't bother you with good advice anymore.

[MaxVeers]

I agree with Detpat.


Since you don't care about the opinions of firearm enthusiasts on a zombie forum, I won't bother you with good advice anymore.

I didn't say I don't care about your opinions, smart guy, I said I'm basically not here to impress anyone or be "taken seriously." I think anyone who takes themselves so seriously here is a bit doomed out there... And not with zombies, but with the real world.

[brandenpwns]

a g36k or a g36c due to the fact they can have box mags for support and are compact and light (g36k) -unlike the g3a3t3k3 (yeah thats a gun) the g3a3t3k3 has a longgggg barrel and is bad for cutting corners but in a fortified position has amazing accuracy at close and long range so yeah and a has a high cap mag.

[kiltedninja]

I guess one thing that people tend to overlook is the fact that a firearm with a magazine is only useful when you have enough mags to get through whatever you plan on getting yourself into. What happens when you're on your last mag? IMO, pump action shotties, lever action rifles, and revolvers should always be taken more seriously than a magazine-fed firearm... unless you have a ridiculously huge collection of mags.

Dude, I totally agree with this, I know some people who have like 15 magazines for their AKs or ARs though.

Again on the second part, I'd have to agree, it takes more careful consideration of how much ammo you have, if you see a dude walking around with a Lever action in ZPAW, he's either pretty badass, really lucky, or just found it.

[homelitexl]

kiltedwuss dude this guy is speaking the truth on the mags wow hes a genius

[detpat]

I'm not talking anyone down, i just offer to share my experience and knowledge. the best firearm to use in the ZPAW is the one you have! hell, any other time for that matter, i just don't want anyone to make an uninformed decision and maybe regret it later.

We each make our own choices and live with them, i think it's important to be informed with facts when you make that choice!

[mattifikation]

kiltedwuss dude this guy is speaking the truth on the mags wow hes a genius

I'm guessing that compared to you, a box of corn flakes is a genius.

[Dave Of The Dead]

kiltedwuss dude this guy is speaking the truth on the mags wow hes a genius

Sarcasm?

Believe me, I am not a gun expert at all. I own a few firearms and can only go by my experiences. If anything else, I expect to log out of this forum knowing more or considering more than what I did logging on. That's why it is so great having you gun gurus on here, so we can be pointed in the right direction. Even if we do end up going against your suggestions, we have an idea of what to expect.

[homelitexl]

no just mad at kiltedwuss i mean ninja but i was making fun of him for making fun of me

[detpat]

always keep in mind that anybody more than 50 miles from home can be considered an expert!

[Bob]

Using the correct terminology means you have done at least some research on your own either by reading or talking to those in the know.


A Lesson in Firearm Terminology
Most professionals and weapons experts know the true definitions, so here's a shot at helping to educate new shooters.

A magazine is what is used to feed the weapon itself, whereas a clip is used to feed the magazine. Clips make loading of magazines much easier and faster, and in some cases, a clip is required in order for the magazine to work (e.g. M1 Garand).

Some magazines are removable however depending on the design of the gun, it can have a fixed magazine. SKS's, bolt actions, shotguns, and Garands can have fixed magazines.

In the case of "stripper clips", you simply "strip" the rounds off of the clip and into the magazine. In the case of the "en bloc" clip used by the M1 Garand, you simply place the clip into the fixed magazine and the clip stays in the mag as the weapon fires.

It is speculated that the confusion and misuse of the terms came about when troops who used the M1 Garand in the US Military started using other firearms and continued to used the term "clip" when referring to what was actually a magazine.

Whatever the reason for the incorrect use of the term, it's often misused by many new shooters.

Another term that is often misused is the term "bullet". Many people use that term to refer to the complete round/cartridge.

The bullet is simply the projectile that is fired from the weapon, and only 1 of 4 parts that a round of ammunition truly consists of (which includes the case, powder, and the primer).

[Birdman44]

Using the correct terminology means you have done at least some research on your own either by reading or talking to those in the know.


A Lesson in Firearm Terminology
Most professionals and weapons experts know the true definitions, so here's a shot at helping to educate new shooters.

A magazine is what is used to feed the weapon itself, whereas a clip is used to feed the magazine. Clips make loading of magazines much easier and faster, and in some cases, a clip is required in order for the magazine to work (e.g. M1 Garand).

Some magazines are removable however depending on the design of the gun, it can have a fixed magazine. SKS's, bolt actions, shotguns, and Garands can have fixed magazines.

In the case of "stripper clips", you simply "strip" the rounds off of the clip and into the magazine. In the case of the "en bloc" clip used by the M1 Garand, you simply place the clip into the fixed magazine and the clip stays in the mag as the weapon fires.

It is speculated that the confusion and misuse of the terms came about when troops who used the M1 Garand in the US Military started using other firearms and continued to used the term "clip" when referring to what was actually a magazine.

Whatever the reason for the incorrect use of the term, it's often misused by many new shooters.

Another term that is often misused is the term "bullet". Many people use that term to refer to the complete round/cartridge.

The bullet is simply the projectile that is fired from the weapon, and only 1 of 4 parts that a round of ammunition truly consists of (which includes the case, powder, and the primer).

More true words have rarely been spoken, amen brother :guns:

[hotlead]

Yes Bob, we speak the same language. Though I try to fight it, my left eye twitches a little whenever folks mix up magazines-clips, cartridges-bullets, revolvers-pistols, recoil-kick, or think a hollow point anything will blow someone through a wall, and that the M16 isn't a .22
I blame Hollywood.

BTW to add to Bobs lesson,
Assault weapons are rifles that are shorter/lighter than a MBR(main battle rifle), chambered in an intermediate cartridge, have a select-fire capability( semi-automatic or full automatic ), and a detachable box magazine. The original specs for "assault weapon" says nothing about flash suppressors, bayonet lugs, magazine capacity, pistol grips, the color, or how scary it looks on TV.

The Stg44, AK-47, M16A1, and SA-80 are examples of assault weapons. The AR15, M1A, SKS, Mini-14, sub-machine guns, semi-auto UZIs, MAC-10, and M1 Carbine are all not assault weapons. This is another one of my eye twitch things.

[detpat]

you are absolutely correct i throw bricks at the tv when i hear the "assault rifle" crap when some yahoo shoots his neighbors dog with a 10-22.

the whole "assault pistol" thing makes me stroke out! assualt pistol is like gun crime.....fantasy, no such thing!

[homelitexl]

you have a point it jsut makes them sound dumb.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Awesome, I feel enlightened. We should have a weekly thread for learning this kind of stuff, like rotating between weapons operations to carpentry, to hydroponics or something. That would be cool. Our own little survival Wiki.

So like the Mosin has a fixed magazine, and that little metal thing that pops out after firing through a mag is the clip? If so, then you just saved me a year or so worth of confusion.

I'm starting to buy more ammo and shoot more with my 30-30 lever action my granddad left me and can officially reload it faster than my .380 with a detachable magazine. I'm feeling comfortable with my suggestion on the last page now.

[detpat]

a good lever action isn't a bad choice. the 30-30 round is in the general neighborhood of the 7.62x39, ballistically speaking.

it's really in the tactics and handling anyway. the gear is just what you use to maximise your skills, not a substitute for those skills.

[F0rgivingS0rrow]

this is the anti-zed weapon of choice, not discuss what ammo you are buying or why this gun is good. it's the weapon that count, the all the extra crap.

[detpat]

it's all part and parcel son!

[F0rgivingS0rrow]

I'm going to suggest another weapon of choice.
A Shark with a mounted laser on it's head.

[hotlead]

this is the anti-zed weapon of choice, not discuss what ammo you are buying or why this gun is good. it's the weapon that count, the all the extra crap.

Don't we already have a moderator to maintain topic discipline?

Besides, talking about which firearms is best for some situation without discussion of which cartridge, magazine, and other junk is like talking about what engine you'd race with without talking about what car you'd put it in.

[kiltedninja]

I've been using the right terminology for the most part, I tend to use magazine out of habit, and I never refer to the whole round as a bullet, usually as a round, and on occasion a cartridge.

I feel smart.

BACK ON TOPIC!

I really hope that if we do have zombies walking the streets of Portland, that I can get to my dad's house, because I want my M1A. My dad is in Iraq, so he's fine...sort of.

Anywho...what with Homelite and his making fun of me, I often refer to him as ma'am, so it's fine if he wants to poke fun at my freedom.

I'd bring my kilt as my weapon of choice.

[Bob]

I would like to know what is so great about Kilts?

[detpat]

if you are of Scottish ancestry it's a traditional mens garment. it also provides a deep connection to your heritage. typically only strong men in connection with their heritage and manhood are man enough to wear one. this is often because of the unwashed philistines lack of understanding and class!

i often wear my kilt and have had to physically correct the occasional idiot in my life as well.

[homelitexl]

well its just a plaid skirt hell ive worn one of those when i got drunk one day at my ex's house.

[Scottishzombie]

Hey don't mock the kilt !!!

[detpat]

so you wore the skirt for your ex...........

[homelitexl]

i was drunk for one and second i ain't making fun of the kilt i wish i could find one to wear all the time they are realy comfortable.

[detpat]

They are very comfortable, but with all things associated with us they are way overpriced.

[homelitexl]

yeah think ill just wear a pin stripe suit instead.

[Dave Of The Dead]

So your weapon of choice is getting pimped out? Nice.

[mattifikation]

Hey.

A kilt would allow you to conceal a thigh holster really well. So yeah, there's that. On the other hand, you'd be leaving your important bits exposed to any twitchers laying on the ground. But this isn't the thread for that. :-p

I wonder how many years away we are from actual working laser rifles?

[detpat]

i tried on e of those and the chafe almost killed me. i carry in a 1911 IWB or sometimes a SMC918 in a compact shoulder holster under a sweater. sometimes the smc in my sporran or even a black leather pouch on my belt.

[muzzyb]

i'd probably go for the rounders bat under my bed and stock up on some of the knives in my kitchen

[detpat]

i think instead of a bat i would go for a quarter staff one of the most effective of the non bladed weapons a man demonstrated this at the Spanish court in the period when he claimed that the English staff technique could defeat the rapier. IIRC he beat 4 Spanish swordsman in fair combat. I may have misremembered the number of swordsman, and we of course can't gauge their level of skill, but how skilled a swordsman is zack gonna be.

it also can serve many other uses as well.

[MaxVeers]

Got a New England Arms Pardner 20ga single got break open shotgun yesterday for 90.10 after tax and with a box of shells thrown in. I've also got a machete under my mattress and a switchblade in my pocket. That should do me pretty well for now. In the future, I'd like a bolt-action rifle and a handgun of some kind, maybe one of the Russian revolvers I saw for a decent price (under 200) recently.

[Bob]

This is my weapon
This is my gun
This one is for killing Zombies
This one is for fun

[detpat]

i would stay away from the nagant revolvers, they are anemic and complicated with heavy trigger pulls i have some and they are fun to shoot and make a cool collectible, but no use as a serious weapon. makarovs are a different matter entirely you can find a Bulgarian or Russian commercial model pretty cheap if you look around. the ammo is still cheap and they are built like tanks.

the various tt33 clones are pretty good guns as well. the 7.62x25 round is powerful and cheap too.

if you want to spend a bit more there some Hungarian compact guns about the size of a ppk [and basically a ripoff design wise] the smc918 or the pa 63, which is a little bigger. you can get the smc in 22 as well. the pa63 is pretty common and pretty cheap right now. check gunbroker.com

[Dave Of The Dead]

i think instead of a bat i would go for a quarter staff one of the most effective of the non bladed weapons a man demonstrated this at the Spanish court in the period when he claimed that the English staff technique could defeat the rapier. IIRC he beat 4 Spanish swordsman in fair combat. I may have misremembered the number of swordsman, and we of course can't gauge their level of skill, but how skilled a swordsman is zack gonna be.

it also can serve many other uses as well.

Remember, the legendary sword fighter Musashi only had one duel come to a draw in his entire career and that was against someone using a 4' staff or "jo."

[detpat]

true, at a certain point in his career he even stopped using real swords and switched to sticks or bokken.

[kiltedninja]

Remember, the legendary sword fighter Musashi only had one duel come to a draw in his entire career and that was against someone using a 4' staff or "jo."

Musashi's first ever duel was at the age of thirteen, and he won with a bokken.

I learned to use a staff against my friend who was an expert with a spear. I'd choose a spear over a sword anyday, simply because of the extra range it gives you. Plus, if you lose or break it, you can switch to a sword or dagger.

When it comes to swords, I prefer one handed swords that I can wield with a dagger in my off hand. I use the term dagger loosely.

someone mentioned leaving my bits exposed to crawlers...Never thought of that one. *shudders*

I prefer the kilt because of the freedom of movement, generally, my jeans or khakis stick to my legs when they're wet, a kilt offers me some quarter there.
If I get some knee high wool socks, I'll be set for any environment.