Non-Zombie Z-Day Dangers

[Shone]

I havn't been here long but i havn't really seen anyone talking about what will happen when humans don't exist anymore. Things like nuclear reactors letting off radioactive fog or buildings that could be headquarters being crumpled because of rebar rusting, what are the ATZ members plans for the sit?

[Behemoth]

I havn't been here long but i havn't really seen anyone talking about what will happen when humans don't exist anymore. Things like nuclear reactors letting off radioactive fog or buildings that could be headquarters being crumpled because of rebar rusting, what are the ATZ members plans for the sit?
Humans will always exist somewhere, even if it is in a space station looking down on earth or in a bunker 500 feet below.

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah humans will always exist...until the earth explodes or the sun explodes...

eventually people will build new houses and buildings if need be(wont be needed for atleast a century or so..)

umm the nuke plants is the only bad thing i can see that would kill off the humans...but the governments top priorities would have safely shutting down the nuke plants involved..i hope

[stonyman65]

That is a good point. I don't think anyone has realy put that much thought into that matter. But, what the others said is true. As long as there are still humans somewhere, it can still be taken care of. Maybe not in the best conditions, but it will still be working.

Hell, even after a nuclear armageddon (Road Warrior ring a bell?) humans still survived in a less-than-optimal enviorment. things wouldn't run as smoothly as now, but they would still run

[AN OLD SHOE]

well the nuke plants are the farthest thing from your mind in they can go years without finally blowing...

what about

gangs
looters
millitary clean up crew
insects
power outages
broken bones
huge cuts
contageous diseases
lack of clothing(naked)
crazy people
1 girl in a group of 20 guys...thats serious danger


ummm those are all of the non zombie dangers i can think of...

[Behemoth]

Add, wild packs of dogs
fires burning out of control
blocked roads
power surges
chocolate production stops.

are a few more, i am still thinking.

[Zombie Buffet]

Hmmmm, well what about drought? No water and we have a very serious problem.

[Shone]

Well, not to long ago i watched this after humans thing on discovery channel (im a nerd lol) and they where talking about alot of things i would never think of, aside from uncontrolable fires and clean up crews, there would be radioactive fog, when humans stop working in the reactors they overheat and cause a radioactive fog that would kill everything for miles....sounds yummy lol.

[mattifikation]

chocolate production stops.


Say it isn't so! :-(

[UNDEAD FRED]

Living in Southern California, and seeing a few wildfires go thru here, I would think fire would be a major issue. With no firefighters to put it out, you could easily be burned out of your shelter, drive you out in the open into the waiting dead hands of the stenchers.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Fire is a huge concern. Just as important though is the weather. A tornado comes through and wipes out your safe haven....Now what?

More so I don't think we all realize the extreme effect the dead will have on us other than their need to eat us. Billions of disease infested bodies EVERYWHERE. There is no doubt of major illnesses beyond our thinking and death just from that.

Also wildlife is also a big concern. Assuming the zombies don't eat the animals. Someone could very easily get hunted down by a wolf or grizzly bear or who knows maybe even a Komodo Dragon depending on your neck of the woods. What about a snake bite? could be fatal. More than likely definitely fatal if by something poisonous.

Hell, frostbite would be a major issue in the winter months.

I could also see sleep deprivation becoming a huge problem also.

I totally agree on the chocolate thing....I will miss it so very much.:cry:

[Seway]

Yep, fire would be quite dangerous. And i bet there would be a lot of fires because there would be manny trigger-happy kiddos running about with molotovs and gasoline cans trying to burn zombies... then they might run off to a forest or something, and the burning zeds might follow them and start a fire...
Nuke plants are not a real danger unless the zombie outbreak (if it is a global/countrywide one) would be spanning across a prolonged period of time (as in more than 10 years). AFAIK most nuke plants would be shut down but during a long outbreak they might collapse thus releasing the radioactive materials. (Unless the radioactive things would be taken somewhere else during the said outbreak.)
About the looters and gangs... well, those idiots would die pretty quickly due to their lack of hygiene, fighting, and zombies trying to clusterfork(<-censored) them all the time.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Hygiene? are you saying that in order to be a looter you have to be smelly and dirty?

That's funny. I suppose I wouldn't fit in the gang/ looter category because I plan on having a tooth brush in my pack.:)


I must say they would be a big problem...I'm really not trying to get raped come zday.:scare:

[mattifikation]

Oh, I thought of one. Poisoning.

Not food poisoning, just poisoning.

There are several countries out there which have stockpiled enough chemical weapons to kill everyone on earth several times over.

Who's going to keep that safe?

[detpat]

when you don't have medical science at your fingertips you need to conduct yourself in a totally different manner. very small things can be fatal. when you consider PAW adventures you need to make adjustment for a VERY conservative code of personal conduct and a risk averse lifestyle.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

when you don't have medical science at your fingertips you need to conduct yourself in a totally different manner. very small things can be fatal. when you consider PAW adventures you need to make adjustment for a VERY conservative code of personal conduct and a risk averse lifestyle.


So brush your teeth!! There aren't going to be any dentists around to take care of those cavities.

[detpat]

damn strait. oh, i meant a physically conservative lifestyle not a politically one.

Survival situations mean that you are incredibly careful because a sprained ankle can kill you. you be careful and you always look and consider every move carefully. That's before you factor in zeds crawling over everything.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

And don't put your filthy zed killing hands in your mouth! Who knows the nasty germs floating around in a world like that! And always boil your water before you drink it. Unless it's bottled of course

It comes down to everything that Les Stroud (survivorman) has taught us!

[detpat]

i like les, he's a great guy. there is a series of vids posted somewhere about he and his family buying a piece of land and building an off the grid house. really cool.

[Devon]

In fact you wouldn't have to worry about nuclear reactors because most modern reactors have an automatic shutdown if the energy is not being used.

[AN OLD SHOE]

Bear Grylls is better than Les Stroud:lol:

[Devon]

Bear Grylls is better than Les Stroud:lol:

True Dat True Dat

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Bear Grylls is better than Les Stroud:lol:

no no no no no....Les Stroud is the survivorman.....no one has a better survival show than him!:x

[detpat]

they keep having to change bears show because he's such a fraud, not to mention he keeps doing idiot things on camera. not to mention he keeps tripping over his camera crew and cheater techs.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

they keep having to change bears show because he's such a fraud, not to mention he keeps doing idiot things on camera. not to mention he keeps tripping over his camera crew and cheater techs.



Yep. Oh and did you Bear fans happen to catch detpat when he said camera crew? Les Stroud is completely alone when he goes out in the thicket. He carries 50lbs of his own camera gear and takes the time to set them all up and get all the shots himself. On top of all that he can still survive for a week in the harshest environments.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

[detpat]

bear is little more than an actor. they had to change his opening credits twice due to his lying about his resume. Foreign legion.......nope. Elephant shit.......wow, what a dumbass. total fake raft built by tech staff, a real survival expert that was imported for just that purpose......staying in a hotel each night with his crew........the insurance company MADE les start taking a gun along because he stays in the bush for the whole week alone. no hotel, no staff. **** bear.

[Darkness]

"Excuse me, but this really has nothing to do with 'Non-Zombie Z-Day Dangers. Back to the topic please." :naughty:

[detpat]

so true, lets move on.

[fester_hicks]

justice will be swift, thats for sure.

[Krazymouse]

Okay, you set up your zombie fort, you routinely kill 100 zombies a day. now what???

How will you get entertainment during Z-day. It is proved that having nothing to do will make you go crazy and kill your self or something like that.
share you ideas


Edit: if their is already a thread about this, just delete this post please. I think im bad at using the search

Edit 2: Does this really belong in here?

[Darkness]

Okay, you set up your zombie fort, you routinely kill 100 zombies a day. now what???

How will you get entertainment during Z-day. It is proved that having nothing to do will make you go crazy and kill your self or something like that.
share you ideas


Edit: if their is already a thread about this, just delete this post please. I think im bad at using the search

"I merged your thread here, because you brought up a very valid Non-Zombie Danger. Insanity. How ARE we gonna keep sane? We all talk about saving our hides, what of our spirits and minds?"

"Thank you, Krazymouse." :clap:

[Krazymouse]

Okay then, i guess i'll go with that...

Maybe get a catapault, launch dead zombies into the air and we all try to shoot it before it lands

[Bob]

Entertainment after the fall?

Take your trade goods and go to see Bob and VJ.
They will hook you up and you will be able to take a trip and never leave the farm.

[Darkness]

"Hmmmmm.......Catapult + Dead Zombies + Paintball gun = entertainment? Could work." :lol:


"I fully believe in keeping the mind and spirit in good health. Stuff like carrying a couple of decks of cards, and/or a small chess/checkers set, may not seem important to some. But it can make the difference between shaking in the dark, listening to abstract noises, and sitting at your post with open eyes and an alert mind."

"If we don't relax sometimes, we can not only make ourselves mentally sick, we can also make ourselves phsycially sick. Both can endanger ones survival."

[Bob]

How did you know VJ and I played paintball?

I have 2 Tippman A-5's
2 Automags
1 DM-5
A load of accessories and nitrogen tanks.

[Darkness]

"Then you know how good they are at relieving stress." :)

[Krazymouse]

OH, Get a fire truck, turn on the siren, and put a large rock on the petal, shoot all the zombies chasing it

[Bob]

Oh yea!
At times paintball is an adrenaline rush!
You should have seen VJ and I play before I got sick.
He plays like a wild man and I believe in No Fear!
The young guys would be hanging back afraid of getting hit and we would overrun the other team.

[Gummerfan]

I kept hoping the mall survivors in DOTD would go to the toy store, grab tons of marbles, and dump them off the roof.
'Cause it'd be funny to watch the zeds keep falling down.

[Darkness]

I kept hoping the mall survivors in DOTD would go to the toy store, grab tons of marbles, and dump them off the roof.
'Cause it'd be funny to watch the zeds keep falling down.

"GOOD ONE!" :drinking:

"That would have relieved some dangerous stress for sure!" :clap:

[KrimsonKing]

Books, books, and more books. Fiction or non you can never know too much.

[KrimsonKing]

My biggest fear is Mother Nature,

Hurricanes, tornados, earthquakes, floods, wild fires, land slides, tidal waves, just to name a few.

Any one of these could render your shelter useless not to mention kill you faster then a Zom.

[Ash in Housewares]

other looters, pissed off/crazy survivors and possible wild animals.

[Krazymouse]

If you want something morale boosting. Why not tie a live zombie to the back of a car. And drive around it. Its funny until the zombie gets caught in a tree and the bumper falls off.

Now.... to tie the live zombie

[Ironzey]

The scariest thing for me would be getting sick.

Even today people die of The Flu or diarrhea. At some point you are going to have to figure out how to prevent, cure or avoid getting sick.

Or what if you have a stroke and your whole left side is paralyzed that would seriously suck. Even if you didn't have to worry about Zs you would be seriously screwed if you were by yourself.

Great now I'm going got have nightmares.

As for morale, building would probably do it for me. Bigger better, more comfortable, nicer. Who says survival has to be crappy all the time?

[Krazymouse]

The scariest thing for me would be getting sick.

As for morale, building would probably do it for me. Bigger better, more comfortable, nicer. Who says survival has to be crappy all the time?

Wait, does that mean you are just gonna build zombie forts to pass time?

:x You
:x Will
:x Go
:x Crazy
:x Building Zombie forts
:x Cause its boring

[Darkness]

"He never said they would ALL be zombie forts. And if building makes him happy, who are we to judge?" :)

[Kemper]

I would not want to be a women if things go bad....or even a pretty boy...Yikes!

[Darkness]

"That's a subject we don't discuss in this forum, Kemper." :naughty:

[Ironzey]

:x You
:x Will
:x Go
:x Crazy
:x Building Zombie forts
:x Cause its boring

It may be boring but I only need 1.

Don't forget everything needs maintainance that in itself could keep one busy for a long time.

Zombie forts that's a good one.

[Krazymouse]

true, I quickly assumed zombie forts, cause of Z-day

[homelitexl]

yeah chainsaw repair would keep me sane, plus before it was over i would have a lot of high performance chainsaws.

[tytanos14]

The Day No more humans exsist means Everything has come to a End Nothing can live without us Zombies Would Starve

[Kemper]

"That's a subject we don't discuss in this forum, Kemper." :naughty:

that is fine...you can have the rules the way you want them...but please don't wave your finger at me.

[Bob]

tytanos14

Zombies don't starve, they are already dead.

[Krazymouse]

I think he means that the zombies are dead because of rotting.

[EvilWeasel35]

I'd use an already existing castle/fortress as there are lots in the UK. They tend to have green areas within them that could be cultivated. It would basically just be like early Saxon life in England, keep some goats, sheep, pigs, chickens, etc and become self-sufficient. Just keeping everything secure and working properly would take up most of your time. Even repairing or making clothes (from scratch using wool if necessary) would be time-consuming. I think I would be too busy to go nuts from boredom.

[Ball Tripper]

Well, not to long ago i watched this after humans thing on discovery channel (im a nerd lol) and they where talking about alot of things i would never think of, aside from uncontrolable fires and clean up crews, there would be radioactive fog, when humans stop working in the reactors they overheat and cause a radioactive fog that would kill everything for miles....sounds yummy lol.I was gonna quote that same program and mention that nuclear power plants are harmless if left unattended, they shut down and their radoactive material can do nothing unless put into a reactor or taken out of the plant where it's simple proximity would radiate things.

On another note that program also said that hover dam could operate unmanned for months and even years, it would only break down after the turbines run out of lubrication and that isn't part of their regular matience or anything. That area of the states would be the last pin prick of light on the planet, a big advantage to survivors facing the appocalypse in that area to have the power grid online.

[Darius]

hydro power plants i mean it breaks and a huge city can get under water also blizards,tornadoes,storms and other bad things that mama nature can do.Also a chance of you or your friends getting crazy,no food,lack of drinking water.

[EvilWeasel35]

Papercut = tetanus (problems with swallowing or breathing, arching of the back and neck, inability to pass urine, sweating, abnormal heart rate and blood pressure = death

Bummer!

Not to mention typhoid, cholera, dysentery, hepatitis, plague, rabies, worms, diarrhoea, dehydration, food poisoning, Arsenicosis (caused by arsenic seeping into water supplies from natural sources), Trachoma (causing blindness), Staphylococcus and Streptococcus bacteria, septicemia, E.Coli,
leptospirosis (caused by rodent urine in water), moulds causing lung problems, colds, flu, pneumonia (it will be hard to get antibiotics)

But did you know that it is widely agreed that decaying bodies pose very little risk for major disease outbreaks and neither can we get diseases from mosquitos feeding off of corpses, however we would be at risk of West Nile from mosquitos breeding in standing water.

Happy days then! :scare:

[Comander Shaw]

Ammo, transportation, gasoline, food, and medical conditions of all survivors you have with you.:x

[Ball Tripper]

Disease would be a big one I think. I feel like a lot of stupid people would get sick because they don't know how to steralize water or clean a simple wound.

[mrlaughingman]

i think the only non zombie threat that can really be thought of as being the worst is humans them selves. yes food medical attention power water and many other things are critical to survival. well not power really. but humans will be the next biggest threat to the zeds. we as humans are greedy and many are very scared to defened them selves or others. on zday im taking my family and friends and going somewhere that no one else is around. the only way for humans to survive zday isnt to band together its become smaller cells of survivors looking out for them selves. it will only be a matter of weeks before those who are to scared to use a gun die then after that you simply survive with your small cluster and wait it all out. for medical and what not hit up a book store on your way into hiding the best way to survive is to learn.

[Darius]

May sound silly but really searious tooth ache! i mean even if the dead rise you must brush your teeth or else its kinda ****ed up you cant think sleep and nt to mention fight if your teeth hurts!

[Bob]

As hard as it is to believe modern dentistry is so advanced that many people have never had a toothache. In the ZPAW it is going to be a different situation.
People are going to die from abscessed teeth.

[EvilWeasel35]

I thought of something else... people in prisons and mental institutions are either going to be left inside to die or be let out. If they are let out there will be lots more very dangerous people in the world (not including those who go mad or turn beserker) Lucky I'm already slightly insane then. :evil:

[Bob]

I thought of something else... people in prisons and mental institutions are either going to be left inside to die or be let out. If they are let out there will be lots more very dangerous people in the world (not including those who go mad or turn beserker) Lucky I'm already slightly insane then. :evil:

First off congratulations on your promotion!

Second this is why it is so important to survive the initial outbreak with as little contact as possible. Most assuredly you do not want to be in prison. Rest assured the jailers are not going to throw open the doors when they give up and go home.

You slightly insane?
Thats one of your most endearing features...

[kiltedninja]

The same way that people have been doing it for years. Songs!

Well, three things come to mind when I think of non zombie threats.

Humans, people who don't want you to exist will likely have little stopping them from killing you.

Exposure. To the elements, you're simply another lump in the ground that they have to blow on, make wet, burn, or freeze.

Disease. Things that medical people have been keeping from happening to us will start happening again.

Off topic: Bear may not be the real deal, in terms of his survival show, but keep in mind that he spent three years in the SAS, climbed everest, and also went down to Antartica for an expedition. Yeah, he stays in camps and hotels, but not many people are as crazy as Les stroud, so whatever.

[EvilWeasel35]

First off congratulations on your promotion!

Second this is why it is so important to survive the initial outbreak with as little contact as possible. Most assuredly you do not want to be in prison. Rest assured the jailers are not going to throw open the doors when they give up and go home.
That's why I'd prefer to start out alone and pick up people on the way. Can you imagine how scary it would be to be in prison and left behind bars to starve to death? Reminds me of King's 'The Stand'.

You slightly insane? Thats one of your most endearing features...
:lol: Awww, thanks. You'all Southern gents are too kind :) :hug:
:axe: MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[EvilWeasel35]

I couldn't see an existing thread for this, so here goes...

I was wondering what mental and physical state would give you the most advantage if z-day was to happen.

My personal four choices would be:

Fitness (moving fast)
Hunger (keenness/awareness)
Paranoia( waking up quick, thinking eveything's out to get you)
Psychosis (everyone need that extra edge!)

:evil:

[Darkness]

"Let me take you to where we are talking about this one. Hold on, this shouldn't be too bumpy of a ride." :)

[Darkness]

"There ya go." :)

"Keeping sane is VERY important in such a situation, but a lot of us feel it will be fleeting when faced with the walking dead. So falling into a state insanity is indeed a Non-Zombie Z-Day Danger."

[kiltedninja]

Insanity is a danger, and so is paranoia.

It's called preparation when it's a real threat. Being a light sleeper, a fit person, and able to take whatever you get thrown in your face is called being prepared for anything.

[EvilWeasel35]

I just thought of something else...

Who on ATZ wears contact lenses or spectacles?
What would happen if they got lost or broken?
Would you be able to find/ransack an opticians with stock to replace them, if indeed you could see well enough to do this?
Is that person coming towards you survivor or zombie?

[kiltedninja]

I wear glasses, but they're expendable, I can see well enough without them. Some people may not be so lucky however.

[Ball Tripper]

I wear glasses, I can see well enough with out them though. I would like some RX sports goggles for z-day. They won't fall off or break, and they would keep the zombie blood out of my eyes when I have to hack some zeds up with a shovel.

[kiltedninja]

Good plan mate. I could use some sunglasses, the one thing I always forget to bring.

Another danger, would be letting your knife get dull. A stabbing knife doesn't need to be sharp really, but your knife for cutting things should always be.

[JimiVengeance]

im too much of an impulsive thinker....i wouldnt worry about situations such as those...get my gun and ammo and survive as long as possible...thats my plan

[joerrrrrr]

Your holed up in a house ( remember house not some expansive building) where the plumbing has been shutoff, and your doing fine despite the fact that you gotta go. Do you risk going outside knowing that there might be zombies in the area or do you use house your in as your toilet?

[kiltedninja]

If it's a two story...well let's just say that I've always wondered what it would look like if you went #2 out the second story window.

[Birdman44]

It would probably look awkward :lol:, but seriously why not just go in a bucket and run outisde, dump it, then run back in if you dont want to take the risk of going outside. that way you also reduce the risk of falling out of a window (kiltedninja :)) and you keep the floors clean from :poo:.

[Krazymouse]

All you need to do is to fill the thing in the back up with water, and you have 1 flush. If you limit yourself to one flush a day, you could easily live with it. i prefer that you have a river/well/lake nearby though

[Darkness]

"The reason I merged these two is because, if you really stop and think about it, this could cause a serious health hazard." :think:

"Do you realize how much bacteria is in human waste? It would be healther to sleep in the barn with the horses. At least their waste is bio-degradable, and it can even be burned cleanly when dried. Our waste does nothing but spread germs." :scare:

"Remember, the streets of England, back before they used proper plumbing, were over run with disease and pestelance. Due to the way they just threw everything, literally, into the gutters, and onto the streets." :puke:

"We shouldn't make the same mistake." :naughty:

[jagus12]

How about just thorwing the :poo: out by a window... Simple but effective :)

[Bob]

Throwing it out the window is what they did in the middle ages.
Can you imagine what the streets smelled like between the horses and other animals with human added to the mix?

[Darkness]

Throwing it out the window is what they did in the middle ages.
Can you imagine what the streets smelled like between the horses and other animals with human added to the mix?

"That's part of my point, thank you." :)

[kiltedninja]

I think the risk of falling out of the window would be little if I installed handles on the sides of the windows. Honestly though, that would be a one time thing, if I were in a fenced/walled in area, there'd be a dookie trench. if not, then I'd work something out.

[PitBullDog]

i would say that other humans would be the problems...who knows, no rules, all out war... i'd be careful if I were you...

[kiltedninja]

But you're not me, so you don't have to be careful. I'm careful, there'd be a way of maintaining order. But I can't tell you because it's a secret.

[mattifikation]

The folks that drive the ambulance
Have all become undead
And all the doctors in the town
Have joined the ranks of zed

The hospital is burning now
Or full of rotting Zack
If you head to pharmacies
The looters turn you back

So. Z-Day hits, and common medical services are available. How would you treat wounds? What cures and treatments do you know to help with common ailments? And how would you cope over the long term with a major injury such as a broken bone?

[kiltedninja]

I'd try to get my hands on some cocaine or rum. Both make feeling pain very hard.

[JakAttak]

also addictive and deadly grab some rubbing alchohol and maybe a fllask of something cheap and strong for an anesthetic.

[Bob]

If Heroin were as cheap and legal as cigarettes would the problem resolve itself?

[clance1]

run around with a wound if you have fallen and hurt yourself. Is there then any chance of the infection getting into it without being bitten and what should you do if there is?

[CAVU45]

run around with a wound if you have fallen and hurt yourself. Is there then any chance of the infection getting into it without being bitten and what should you do if there is?

Of course there is. You shouldn't need a ZPAW to tell you that. Any wound can become infected without proper care. A simple paper cut can become a raging infection if not cleaned properly. In any apocalyptic scenario this would be doubly so with the lack of proper facilities and trained medical persons. Now with zombies the conventional wisdom is that yes, you can become infected without being bitten if bodily fluids, especially blood, enters the body through a cut. So clean and dress all wounds no matter how minor they may be. One important item that should be in anyones kit is a bottle of hand sanitizer.

[kiltedninja]

I cut my knuckles alot from fist fights, especially the last two on my left hand(I'm southpaw). I'd recommend doing something to toughen them up because it sucks when your knuckles have scar tissue piled on top of scar tissue, it makes your fingers stiff during the cold, and if you work with your hands like I do, then it does create more of a risk for infection(the reason I have miles and miles of athletic tape, gauze and rubbing alcohol).

[MallNinja]

If zombies ever turned out to be real, I honestly think they would be pretty far down the list of dangers after the breakdown of society.

Raiders, bandits, street gangs, cults of crazies, disease, malnutrition, mass panic, religious fundamentalism gone wild, extreme weather, lack of medical support, dirty water, dirty bombs, dirty women, dirty weapons that fail at bad times, and on and on all exist in the world today as things are. Zombies, or really any number of things, won't create these things, just make them more widespread.

[kiltedninja]

I know for a fact that the survival of street gangs is very limited, most of them can hit a human target(the ones I know anyway) but not a head sized target. Raiders, and cults of crazies will probably face a similar situation will be a little different, because of the way they operate. Hell's Angels, the big mafias(Russian Mafia is the big one here in Oregon) and the more organized crime families are the ones we'd have to worry about, since they're probably more loyal to their cause than any other gangs, as well as more well armed.

Malnutrition is definitely a big one, since most people here are used to eating three or more meals a day(I used to eat five times a day), well rounded meals, preserved food, shit like that. It wasn't until recently that I got used to eating only twice a day.

Disease and exposure to elements. Killers, both of them. I'm sad to say that once the dams on the Columbia River collapse, most of my city will be underwater, which will create a breeding ground for disease. I've been hypothermic before, which is terrible. But I managed to survive it. Sunburns aren't deadly immediately, but they hurt like a bitch.

Dirty weapons. Clean them as often as you can. My AK even operates better when cleaned, so I clean it after everytime we go shooting. Most of the wooden stocked AKs have a compartment for a cleaning kit in the stock. Clean your blades, I'd recommend using different blades for fighting and cleaning food.

Another one I thought of is fatigue. You wear your boots for months and months, and they'll start to feel it. Learn to polish your boots well, it preserves the leather, get insoles for them, bring an extra pair of laces, or three.

[mattifikation]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g155/mattifikation/arm.jpg

How's that for a non-zombie Z-day danger? That's a real bug. It's called the Giant Amazonian Centipede. And it's poisonous! Hurray!

[hightechredneck]

I just thought of something else...

Who on ATZ wears contact lenses or spectacles?
What would happen if they got lost or broken?
Would you be able to find/ransack an opticians with stock to replace them, if indeed you could see well enough to do this?
Is that person coming towards you survivor or zombie?

i wear glasses, but my prescription hasnt changed in over 20 yrs, and i get a new pair free through work every year so i have a lot of spares. most are safety glasses so they will stand up pretty well.

[mattifikation]

I'm blind as a bat without my glasses and I only have 1 pair. I'm almost out of contact lenses.

Guess I'll just have to shoot with my eyes closed. :machgun2:

[Bob]

I see just fine at a distance up close is another matter.
I can drive, shoot, and find purty wimmin without glasses.
As long as I don't have to read in order to fight the Zed I will be ok.
That being said I have reading glasses in both my offices, in my car in all my laptop cases, on my desk, on the kitchen counter, blah blah blah you get the idea.

[kiltedninja]

I only wear my glasses for reading.

Matt, I'm not worried about bugs. You know the Brown Recluse? I found one in my bedroom once.

[bandits1]

I only wear my glasses for reading.

Matt, I'm not worried about bugs. You know the Brown Recluse? I found one in my bedroom once.
I saw a vid on YouTube of a guy having a infected brown recluse spider bite popped/drained/squeezed by a friend. Tons-O'-Puss. Pretty interesting stuff.

[CAVU45]

I see just fine at a distance up close is another matter.
I can drive, shoot, and find purty wimmin without glasses.
As long as I don't have to read in order to fight the Zed I will be ok.
That being said I have reading glasses in both my offices, in my car in all my laptop cases, on my desk, on the kitchen counter, blah blah blah you get the idea.

How're you gonna study your essential Max Brooks survival manual with all its pearls of wisdom if you can't see to read?

[kiltedninja]

I'm sure there's a 'church of Max Brooks' somewhere.:lol: Just go there.

[Stankynuts]

one thing i learned from the zombie survival guide is wear earplugs because zombies not only physically attack you, if they moan alot you will go crazy from the constant noise

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I probably would've never thought of that. Also, earplugs will help with dealing with the noise that your gun makes.

[Stankynuts]

Ya its a cool tid bit of info

[Trumble0]

Except earplugs would make you not be able to hear the moan of a zombie on the other side of a door you're about to go through. I'd rather be able to hear what's going on around me... Maybe I'd wear earplugs to get sleep if I had a sentry to stand guard while I'm sleeping, but not during the day.

[kiltedninja]

Maybe wear one ear plug then, like on the side you have your gun on when you shoot, I dunno. Like since I shoot rifles right handed, I'd wear one in that ear, unless I'm shooting a pistol which I shoot left handed.

Save some of your hearing, but also allow for some of it to be used.

[Stankynuts]

Yeah I would most likely wear ear plugs when im sleeping or on the side i shoot my gun with.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, it seems like that'd be a good idea.

Another non zombie danger would be(like always) stupid people.

[Stankynuts]

Yeah, it seems like that'd be a good idea.

Another non zombie danger would be(like always) stupid people.


Yeah , Although i fear people handling guns but they have no clue what they are doing.

[kiltedninja]

AKA stupid people man. If you're handling a firearm, then you should know what you're doing, if you don't, or don't have someone who does right there, then put the weapon down.

[Bob]

You as an individual should always be careful.
Even experienced shooters can slip up.
Especially with stupidly light triggers.
I have a couple of firearms that I warn people to try the trigger before they load the firearm.
The Saiga 12 has a trigger that is way way lighter than you would ever expect out of a Russian Shotgun.

[kiltedninja]

Well yeah you should be careful, caise firearms are weapons, something you should always be careful with.

[Stankynuts]

I also fear breaking an ankle or anything else like that during the infection. I broke my ankle a few months ago and i couldnt do shit lol it was exetremely tedious to do stuff.

[detpat]

just think of how embarrassed you'd be if you tripped over a loose shoelace and was eaten for your foolishness?

[mattifikation]

I don't think you'd feel much embarrassment after being eaten. Maybe during...

[UNDEAD FRED]

When all the drug addicts run out of drugs, or thier dealers are now in the ranks of the undead will be a major problem, like after Hurricaine Katrina in New Orlenes, armed gangs of drug addicts were robbing ER rooms, breaking into pharmacies.

[kiltedninja]

That's why I always double knot my shoe laces, because I feel like an idiot when they come undone.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I'm sure many rogue groups will be setting up traps for game, zombies, even people. Punji pits, bear traps, IED's and whatnot may make traveling a danger to everyone.

[kiltedninja]

Dude, IEDs for game wouldn't be a good way to do it, pit falls maybe, and I'm sure snares, but detecting traps will be a valuable skill indeed.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Dude, IEDs for game wouldn't be a good way to do it, pit falls maybe, and I'm sure snares, but detecting traps will be a valuable skill indeed.

:lol: Well I wasn't thinking about IED's for game, but the other two victims. :lol: I do get a kick out of hunting deer with remote controlled bombs though.

[MallNinja]

Again I have to agree that drug users and semi organized gangs will be pretty high up on the list of non zombie dangers.

[MallNinja]

Something else I wonder about is the prison population. I wonder what will become of them?

[Bob]

Hopefully the jailers won't open the cells when they leave for the last time.

[kiltedninja]

I agree. I know a guy who's in prison that's probably pretty mad at me right about now. And I'd rather not have to worry about him jumping me while I'm watching the camp at night.

[MallNinja]

I would hope they would be contained somehow, but what about outside forces, such as gangs that have large memberships both in and out of prisons, or corrupt guards looking to win the favor of the inmates in a effort to raise their own army?

[MallNinja]

I agree. I know a guy who's in prison that's probably pretty mad at me right about now. And I'd rather not have to worry about him jumping me while I'm watching the camp at night.

You'll be fine, you'll have your Ka-Bar. It was your one thing remember.

[kiltedninja]

I decided I'd go with my First Strike, it's a better knife.

It's my one thing I'd take, not the one thing I'd have. About fifteen minutes after the initial crazy, I'd be armed with a pistol and shotgun or AK.

[CAVU45]

If memory serves most jails and prisons have electronic locks on the doors. What happens when the power goes out? Do the doors remain locked? I would assume so, but don't have any first hand knowledge.

[Bob]

Me either never having been in jail or prison.
The company I work for is doing 10 Million dollars worth of work on a local one.
Perhaps I can find out.

[hotlead]

I would imagine all the prison door and gate hardware is what's called "fail-secure", that means the strike needs power to actuate a solenoid to release the latch, this happens when a normally open relay is closed. If the power goes out, then a hard, mechanical means of opening the door would be neccessary, a key from the secure side and a manual lockset from the non-secure side.

The hollywood style of letting all the prisoners or dinosaurs out by a power failure would be accomplished by having "fail-safe" hardware on everything. "Fail-safe" means that power is needed to keep it closed, and an interruption is neccessary to release the latch, as when a normally closed relay is opened. This type of hardware is generally used only in public places, malls, stores, public pools, etc. where if the power goes out, then people will be able to exit quickly and emergency personnel can enter un-inhibited.

This is what I do, among other things.

[CAVU45]

Thanks for the info. I assumed it would be something like that. It only makes sense that it would in case of a power failure. Wouldn't want the bad guys running amok after a thunderstorm.

[Rubble...]

The below story happending in 1990. In 2005, with a power outage, all the doors opened. They're supposed to stay locked and be key operated.

Guards were startled Wednesday at Death Row in the State Penitentiary when an inmate's cell door suddenly popped open.

It was the latest in a long series of "glitches" in a sophisticated new door-locking and cell control system, Corrections Director said. ...told a state board that because of incidents like that, the state's going to enter into a maintenance contract with the system's installer, Honeywell, for $100,000 to $115,000 per year.

Council members were a little dubious about committing the state to paying $100,000-plus per year for a system that cost about $750,000 to install.

"Something's got to be wrong with it,"said ... a member of the Permanent Building Fund Council. "Maybe it's too sophisticated."

A new electronic security system was installed at ...maximum security prison south of 'town'. Vernon said it is a good system, but it has some normal "quirks."

For a time, prison officials were kept hopping after inmates discovered they could short out their call buttons to make the doors open. Honeywell, which installed the system, came back and made extensive revisions.

[Bob]

First time one of them shorted out his call button to open the door it would have been on like Donkey Kong!

Does anyone remember when it was that we started coddling murders, rapists, and child predators?

[MallNinja]

About the same time as when we started electing murderers, rapist, child predators, and adulterers into high office.

[Darkness]

"Okay, back away from the Politics, and get back to the topic of the Thread." :naughty:

[hotlead]

I just had an issue with a honeywell system last week at work, and it turns out that the main control circuit boards aren't repairable, nor can you trouble-shoot them in the field. If something goes wrong, and you trace it back to the board, you have to render the system non-op and replace the board. Which takes a few days to get, since Honeywell equipment has to be ordered direct. I like Door King much better.

[mattifikation]

You know what works way better than electric doors? Cells without doors. Push the losers through a hole into a room and brick it up.

No need to feed 'em, bath 'em, cloth 'em, and let 'em go just to turn more people into victims...

[kiltedninja]

I was gonna say a twenty foot deep pit with concrete walls. Cover one side of it with a roof so prisoners have shelter from the rain or snow, and you've got a jail no one wants to go to.

This is also on topic because Prison escapees are very dangerous.

[Bob]

The simplest solution is to put them into special units in the military.
Send them on suicide missions with the understanding if they live they go free.
Just be sure they don't survive.

Put them in a plane and fly them to the hot spot.
No seats for them, they just sit on the floor of a special cargo plane.
There are no handholds anywhere, the floor and walls are even slippery.
Just before the drop pump them up with a just short of lethal cocktail of heroin (better pain killer than morphine) and PCP.
When they reach the drop zone stand the plane on end, open the cargo bay and dump them sans parachute.
They will bounce and start killing the enemy.
Think what it would do to habibs moral when he sees Americans fall from the sky hit the ground get up and start killing his buddies.
Yes folks Americans are so tough they no longer need parachutes.
Then on top of that he shoots over and over and they don't stop until he shoots them in the head.

Hey maybe this has already happened, after a drop like that one would probably shamble along.
Being totally immune to pain it would take a head shot to stop one of them.
They would be in a mindless killing state.
Other than eating the enemy I think I just described Zombies.

Oh crap what if the enemy did this to us?
Oh wait Ali Booger does not have enough of an Air Force to matter.
But wait what if his one plane targeted my city?

I guess that would be a Non-Zombie but Zombie like danger.

The only flaw in this plan is how to get them to hold still and take their shot.

[kiltedninja]

Tell them its a vaccine for a virus that is common in the Middle East.

Bob, you make me laugh a lot.

[poke2000]

Well, How about this then. The evolution of another superior species that ends ends up smarter, faster, more advanced then man. How about chihuahuas armed with AK-47s & flying around in F-22 Raptors.:lol:

[Bob]

Dumbasses would be a huge non-zombie danger.






Poke

WTF?
That's just stupid.

Everyone knows that Dogs are ground pounders.
They will be infantry.
Dogs being pack animals are well suited to intelligence boosting and becoming soldiers. (no offense intended to the army)
They have all the right genetics already in place to take orders and work co-cooperatively.

Show us that your brain has more than one cell and pick an animal that would have a genetic disposition that would make them suited for flying planes.

[rogeneck]

that would be a cat.
cats hate water. so no navy for them
cats dont work in teams like dogs so no team jobs. army
so all thats left is an air force.

also cats hate everyone so if you could teach them to fly mini bombers they would bomb the crap out of the enemy buildings. but this would lead the cats to target civilian targets(directly attacking civilians is against the geneva conventions) but in a world where cats fly and dogs control the ground forces who cares any more.(i think dolphins would have to lead the navy in an all under water attack. or maybe sharks with lazers attached to their heads.)
:evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil::evil:

[CAVU45]

...pump them up with a just short of lethal cocktail of heroin (better pain killer than morphine) and PCP.
Oh crap what if the enemy did this to us?
Oh wait Ali Booger does not have enough of an Air Force to matter.
The only flaw in this plan is how to get them to hold still and take their shot.

Hajji's already done something similar. At Najaf and a few other places they would get jacked on drugs and then come out to fight us. Damned hard to take out someone who doesn't feel pain, is jacked up on adrenaline, and has a fervent desire to die for his cause.

[Bob]

Cav
As I am sure you are aware they were doing it in the Philipines way back when.

DATES TO REMEMBER

1902

Perhaps you doubt that history repeats itself.
On July 4, 1902, President Theodore Roosevelt declared the Philippines War officially over. Except, of course, “in the country inhabited by the Moro tribes.” The Moros, so called by the Spanish, were 35,000 fanatical Islamic warriors, Muslim terrorists if you will, who “fought in the way of Allah” and declared a jihad, or holy war, against American infidels. The Moros were a small, fierce people with no fear of dying. One of the few things they feared was that their families would survive them, so they often charged into certain death holding their children in front of them as shields. With almost unstoppable bullet-eating assaults, booby trap warfare as sophisticated and deadly as in Vietnam, and suicidal attacks reminiscent of the Middle East today, the Moros kept more than one-fifth of the entire U.S. Army fully occupied for a decade.

With hair and eyebrows shaved, arteries and genitals bound in leather to slow the flow of blood and deaden the sensation of pain, drugged out of their minds on who-knows-what, and armed mostly with spears, hatchets, daggers and swords, plus a few old Arab matchlocks, ancient flintlocks dating to the American Revolution and the Southern War for Independence, the Moros made superhuman efforts to fulfill their oaths to kill (and eat) Christians in order to assure their places in paradise.

Moro invincibility was legendary. In one instance, a Moro warrior received 14 bullet wounds in five minutes, three of which penetrated his brain, and yet he fought on. As a seasoned Army officer put it, “Even the veteran Indian fighters among [the Army regulars] had to learn that a Moro was more dangerous than a renegade Apache and twice as hard to kill.”

The arrival of the new Colt semiautomatic pistols in 1911 was welcome, as this account of the death of a Moro warrior by an American soldier attends: “He had 32 Krag balls through him and was only stopped by the 33rd bullet - a Colt .45 slug through both ears.”

In 1913 some semblance of peace prevailed, but the Moros were never permanently subdued. In fact, in 1972, they rebelled again when martial law was declared in the Philippines and the government ordered civilians to surrender their guns. The right to keep and bear arms is holy to the Moros, apparently far more holy than it is to Americans, as the Moros are absolutely unyielding in their refusal to trade their holy rights for political convenience. They continue to fight to this day.

One of the things we learned in the 1902-1913 war with the Moros was that revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt, with ballistic performance in the same class as today’s .38 Special and 9x19mm Parabellum, were inadequate at stopping such a determined enemy. So were the army’s 30-40 Krags, with performance almost indistinguishable from today’s .308 Winchester or 7.62x51mm NATO. Many were the soldiers in that conflict who would have given anything for the trusty old big-bore 45-70 which the Krag had replaced. Many are the American soldiers today who must wonder in amazement that they are once again fighting Islamic militants with guns in the .38 Long Colt and 30-40 Krag class, or with so-called assault rifles which a Moro might find marginally useful for piercing his ears.
1906

Based on the ongoing clashes with the Moros, the U.S. Army came to the painful conclusion that a new military handgun was called for. Extensive ballistic testing on live cattle and human cadavers performed in 1904 (the famous Thompson-LaGarde tests), plus the cavalry’s traditional requirement to shoot horses in battle as well as men, led to the determination by an Army Ordnance Board headed by Col. John T. Thompson and Col. Louis A. LaGarde that the army needed a 45-caliber handgun to provide adequate stopping power. The selection process started in 1906 with firearms submitted by Colt, DWM/Luger, Savage, Smith & Wesson, Knoble, Bergmann, Webley-Scott and White-Merrill.

John Browning, who was working for Colt at the time, had already developed a semiautomatic pistol around his .38 Colt Automatic cartridge (almost identical in performance to the 9mm, later improved in the .38 Super) that he knew he could re-engineer to accommodate a more effective 45-caliber cartridge of his own design.

Browning’s new pistol worked in an entirely different way than the paragons of semiautomatic pistols at the time, which were the Model 1896 broomhandle Mauser and the 1902 Luger which was Georg Luger’s improvement of the German-manufactured pistol designed by American Hugo Borchardt in 1893.

Browning’s pistol was a radical, yet simple, recoil-operated, locked-breech, tilting barrel design. The barrel, slide, magazine and frame were separate components. The barrel was attached to the frame by means of pins which passed through pivoting links. The slide was fitted into channels in the frame. Ridges and grooves were machined into the top of the barrel at the chamber to match ridges and grooves on the inside of the slide. With the action closed, these ridges and grooves interlocked, the slide covered virtually the entire barrel, and the firing pin housing closed off the chamber. Lock-up was complete. Upon firing, recoil forced the slide and barrel to travel rearward together for about a quarter of an inch. The links caused the barrel to pivot downward at the same time, freeing the slide and barrel from their interlocking grooves. The slide then continued rearward to full recoil, extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case and re-cocking the hammer. With the slide at full travel and the recoil spring fully com*pressed, the spring then took over and pushed the slide closed again as it stripped a fresh cartridge from the magazine and loaded it into the chamber. The operation of almost every semiautomatic pistol manufactured since has been based directly on this breakthrough design.

Browning and Colt had developed the new .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) cartridge in 1905, chambering it in a scaled-up pistol they called the Model 1905. The new .45 ACP round was loaded with a 230-grain FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) bullet, and matched the performance requirements the Moro-weary army officers were looking for. It was a further improved model of this pistol that Colt entered in the 1906 trials.

Only Colt and Savage survived those first trials. A series of further tests and experiments were called for by the Ordnance Department, and a final selection committee was appointed in 1911.

1911

The official birthday. March 29, 1911. After the most exhaustive test regimen in history, including subjecting the pistol to war-environment abuse and firing 6,000 rounds through it without a single jam or failure, the U.S. Army adopted the Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911 as its official sidearm. The Navy and Marines quickly followed. Increased production capacity was set up at the government’s Springfield Armory to meet the demand.

We’ve called that pistol the 1911 ever since. Colt simply calls it the O-frame. It has earned many more names over the years, some less than flattering. Some call it the .45 automatic, though this name is more accurately applied to the Thompson submachine gun, which John T. Thompson of the aforementioned Army Ordnance Board was quick to design around Browning’s .45 ACP cartridge. The full-automatic Thompson was first publicly demonstrated in 1920, was an immediately hit, and was widely used by American civilians, the Irish Republican Army, the U.S. Post Office, the U.S. Marines and the FBI, who issued Thompsons to their field offices until 1974.

Hollywood hack writers placed a Tommy gun in the hands of every 30s-era gangster real or invented. But it was a .45 automatic pistol that Machine Gun Kelly was armed with during his last standoff with the Memphis Police. It was a .45 automatic that John Dillinger kept under his pillow at night. It was an unfired .45 automatic that was found in Bonnie Parker’s lap (and an unfired sawed-off 10-gauge shotgun that was found in Clyde Barrow’s hand) when their bullet-riddled bodies were pulled from what was left of their car. And it was a brace of unfired .45 automatics that went down with Pretty Boy Floyd.

The .45 automatic is, of course, actually a .45 semiautomatic. A lot of full-auto conversions of the 1911 were made, and Star of Spain went into production with its fine 1911-pattern MD/PD machine pistols. Serious developmental work in the full-auto area was being done in this country up until 1934 when quintessential Democrat Frank Roosevelt, Communist totalitarian Joe Stalin’s great friend and political ally and Bill Clinton’s lifetime hero, defied the U.S. Constitution and everything this country previously stood for with his National Firearms Act. At that time, the $200 federal tax attached to all automatic weapons transfers was the equivalent of about 10 weeks of wages for a working man, something like $10,000 today. The penalty for not paying the $200 tax was 10 years in prison, the equivalent of 10 years in prison even today.

At any rate, a one-hand weapon that fires big-bore bullets as fast as you can pull the trigger is hard to beat. However, as Bonnie Parker, Pretty Boy Floyd and others found out, you do have to have the opportunity to pull the trigger.

http://www.boatmanbooks.com/samplelw1911.html

[Dave Of The Dead]

So were talking about cracked out dope fiends on dissociative drug trips now? I'd say that would be a pretty harsh challenge to come up against. PCP, Acid, Shrooms, Mescalin, not to mention Ergot, will all make you so ****ed up there is a good chance you can "freak out" and even harm those around you (especially with PCP). Now lets go back in time. Salem witch trials were fueled by people on these "freak outs." The reason was from a psychedelic fungus called Ergot of Rye. If we become as self sufficient as early settlers, we may unintentionally freak out from time to time from an infected wheat crop or something similar. There's a potential for big danger.

[kiltedninja]

So Religious fanatics should be added to the list.

[Mazlionheart]

I was thinking... and I know this is something that might be the least of most people's problems but childbirth will be hugely dangerous... especially if as you said its something like 1 woman to 10 men... and abortion... its not something you want to think about but its a real problem.:scare:

[poke2000]

Dumbasses would be a huge non-zombie danger.






Poke

WTF?
That's just stupid.

Everyone knows that Dogs are ground pounders.
They will be infantry.
Dogs being pack animals are well suited to intelligence boosting and becoming soldiers. (no offense intended to the army)
They have all the right genetics already in place to take orders and work co-cooperatively.

Show us that your brain has more than one cell and pick an animal that would have a genetic disposition that would make them suited for flying planes.

Alright then! The second brain cell theorizes that instead of chihuahuas & F-22s how about big giant cigar smoking mansized spiders with jetpacks armed with 50 cal sniper rifles. I believe my first brain cell is offended.:lol:

[Darkness]

"That's all very interesting, but can we please get back on topic now." :roll:

[Bob]

The first line of my post was completely on topic.

Now for the on topic part of this post.

One of the greatest dangers non-zombie is going to be impatient people.
You know the kind, they get impatient waiting to spring an ambush (on zed of course) and go all Rambo and put everyone at risk.
Happens all the time in Left for Dead.

By the way who all plays Left for Dead?
I don't have the reflexes of a young fella but I enjoy the game.

[kiltedninja]

I play it. It's one of the only reasons I'm getting an Xbox 360, so I can play that game.

[CAVU45]

I play L4D on the PC. It's a fun game.

[Darkness]

"I just said let's get back on topic." :naughty:

[Carl Sieberhagen]

the first major non-zombie danger would be PANIC! :scare:
(I know that I will freak out if I just found out that the world has been overrun by zombies:cry:)

[Bob]

A non-zombie Z-Day danger would be me staying up late the night before playing Left 4 Dead and being too tired to fight my way home.

It took 2 16 oz Red Bulls and a 5 hour energy shot to make it through the day.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Good thinking. Sleep deprivation would make a lot of little things a lot more dangerous than they normally would be.

[kiltedninja]

I'm quite good at dealing with sleep deprivation actually.

[Bob]

It's easier when you are young.
Overall condition is part of it too.

Exhaustion is going to take out A LOT of survivors who are totally out of shape.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Which accounts for about 90% of us here, right?

[mattifikation]

It accounts for me. *glances down at out of control gut.* I look more like my dad every day.

I blame my current financial situation. I can't afford the good, healthy food I used to buy... so I pretty much live off of ramen noodles, frozen dinners, and snack food now.

Oh how I miss fresh vegetables... home cooked casseroles... food that's made of edible material so that it's actually filling...

[Dave Of The Dead]

It accounts for me. *glances down at out of control gut.* I look more like my dad every day.

I blame my current financial situation. I can't afford the good, healthy food I used to buy... so I pretty much live off of ramen noodles, frozen dinners, and snack food now.

Oh how I miss fresh vegetables... home cooked casseroles... food that's made of edible material so that it's actually filling...

Amen brother. It's been over two weeks since my last REAL meal.

[kiltedninja]

I stayed the weekend at my brother's and got some healthy food, but here at home, I seldom get it, which is why I've got such little bodyfat, because I survive on carbs and milk basically. That's why I'm so light for my size.

[JakAttak]

while i agree that poor shape is a non-zombie danger isn't this thread more about marauders and shit

[hotlead]

while i agree that poor shape is a non-zombie danger isn't this thread more about marauders and shit

It's about "non-zombie Z-day dangers" which were largely undefined, we already have an able topic-nazi, don't worry about it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

There are a lot of dangerous things out there and 99.99% of them happen to be non-zombie. Go figure.