The Law and Survival

[fester_hicks]

When would you start breaking the law?

Soon or would you try to maintain some sort of civility and do the whole law abidding deal?

[detpat]

I would certainly abide by all laws that concern treatment of others and public order. Of course i do that anyway and wouldn't change the way i conduct myself.

Honestly i see my state guidelines for the use of force to be pretty good and appropriate and wouldn't find it to be overly restrictive.

Are you talking about looting and theft? That might be a different situation. If i were in an emergency situation and needed to steal something to save my life or the life of a family member.......of course i would. Steal tv's or Ipods.....no way.

[DarthJoe8]

Are you asking in regards to a zombie outbreak kinda thing? One thing i've noticed in many stories is that when shit hits the fan lots of people revert to barbarism. They have zombie/human fights and spectators are watching the humans get eaten for enjoyment.:loon:Raping the women, the list of atrocities are endless. Kinda pathetic.

Personally i would act the way i currently do, with respect and honor. I would expect the same from other survivors i'd be with. Of course if they're all a bunch of A-holes then i'm off on my own. They could be more dangerous than the Zeds.:loon:

[AN OLD SHOE]

i agree....i would remains civilized...but once no one is in the stores to sell me the food..i will kinda have to steal it...becuase my job will be gone too

[Z-Day is very soon]

i wouldnt do any thing barbaric but only steal weapons and food ......and maybe a car or two :):lol:

[zmbvan]

I might blow some stuff up for fun, but besides that I would just steal. I would still have my morals. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone, unless they try to harm me.

[Behemoth]

i wouldnt do any thing barbaric but only steal weapons and food ......and maybe a car or two :):lol:

You mean "borrow" some weapons & food:)

[stonyman65]

I would abide by the law to begin with, but if the law somehow got in my way of survival (ie knocking over a gun store to get some ammo, carrying a gun without a permit...) or something, then screw it. Laws where made to be broken. :lol:

[vortec1]

See in my line of work there is nothing but the law, You just have to know how to use it!

[detpat]

If it's a genuine ZPAW, then your only legal concern is not getting locked up or shot in the early stages. The local lockup is gonna be a less than optimum Bug out location. Once you get past that you are into a more moral compass situation.

[Tripoli]

In true survival situations some laws are overlooked. Like when you kill and eat an endangered animal to survive. The law will not prosicute.

[Jimmy]

I would abide and uphold all the laws of the state and the constitution as I am going to be a sworn Police Officer on April 25th. As soon as the President inacts Martial Law (which would probably happen), I will be dispatching anything near me that I feel is a danger to my family, friends, or myself.

[zombieuprising]

I might blow some stuff up for fun, but besides that I would just steal. I would still have my morals. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone, unless they try to harm me.

same here :guns:

[Victor Clark]

I definately wouldn't try to kill anyone (unless it's in self-defense), but I can honestly see myself running out of stores around zombies with a shopping cart full of CDs, movies, clothes, and maybe some non-parishables like candy and coke. But later on I would only focus on necessities like guns and food.

[zombieuprising]

why crap first and neceseties later if i may ask?

[Zombreach]

If there are no longer any law enforcers to enforce the law, are there any laws left to break? ...ZEN thought for the day. :)

[Augustus Desius]

I would follow most laws unless my life or the life of someone I cared for became endangered. If that were to occur, I would break any law that was necessary to protect myself or them.

[Victor Clark]

why crap first and neceseties later if i may ask?

Because eveyone else will go for the necessities at the most common stores during the first hours of the outbreak, and when they're all done killing each other for toilet paper and ammo, I can go to the less obvious stores and get the food and water from there. Plus while everyone at my Walmart is marauding the food isles, I can have the CD and video game isles all to myself. :evil:

[Darkness]

"Interesting reversed logic." :think:

[Faran Brigo]

Assuming there's ANY guns or food left after the place's been ransacked multiple times by everyone who got there before you that is.

Personally? I could care less about the law after everything hits the fan. I'm playing it by ear. Try to be fair, but honestly I don't give a crap about the legality of grand theft auto, destruction of public/private property, tresspassing and all the other laws that are great ideas when there's civilization but pretty much useless in a post apocalyptic world.

If I feel like burning down a small town because I feel threathened by zeds or marauders, I'll do it. If I have to loot supermarkets to survive (or if I'm bored and the owner's probably dead), I'll do it. If I think it's better to whack somebody over the head and tie him/her up while I find out whether or not he's friendly or uninfected, I'll do it. I wouldn't murder without good reason, kidnap or rape though, and definitely no ghoul gladiating on my watch.

[mattifikation]

When would you start breaking the law?


About 25 years ago :evil:

[fester_hicks]

in Ellsworth, in MY fortress.. my word will be the law. No challenges, no appeals, no questions.

My only thought is the safety of my family, friends and comrades in the fortress.

I would not think twice about shooting looters or scavengers.

[Dagnammit]

in Ellsworth, in MY fortress.. my word will be the law. No challenges, no appeals, no questions.

My only thought is the safety of my family, friends and comrades in the fortress.

I would not think twice about shooting looters or scavengers.

I can't imagine even your family would want to live in a shelter with such a megalomaniac. I think you're gonna be lonely when Z-day comes.

[fester_hicks]

that kind of thinking lasted hundreds of years, including places in the world today.

[Dagnammit]

that kind of thinking lasted hundreds of years, including places in the world today.

Yeah, but usually, unless the dictator is particularly benevolent ("No challenges, no appeals, no questions" doesn't sound benevolent) then the people will either try to escape or resist. Usually a dictator uses bribery and blackmail to keep an aristocratic base of support and a personal army to control the populace. In a shelter with a handful of mates you're not going to have that, and they're quickly going to say "fsck this" and strike out on their own, or try to take you down.

[Darkness]

"Many an old tribe had a Counsel of Elders that they would turn to for leadership. This tended to work better than a tyrannical rule."

[Dagnammit]

"Many an old tribe had a Counsel of Elders that they would turn to for leadership. This tended to work better than a tyrannical rule."

A very good point.

I wonder... who would comprise the "council of elders" at an ATZ hideout? :)

[UNDEAD FRED]

A very good point.

I wonder... who would comprise the "council of elders" at an ATZ hideout? :)


You must have 5000 post to sit on the council:lol:

[Darkness]

"I guess that makes me one of the Elders." :)

[Lian]

@ subject. I can play nice. But in the end I'm gonna do what's in my best interest to survive. If I have to beat a half a dozen people off with a baseball bat to eat my cheeseburger so be it, Darwin's law in work, and anyone that says they'll be civil and democratic over that cheeseburger after they've been starving for a week or more is naive or lying.


Can I be on the council of elders? I may not have 5000 posts but I joined before Darkness. ^_^ I remember when she was a wee one.

[Dagnammit]

Can I be on the council of elders? I may not have 5000 posts but I joined before Darkness. ^_^ I remember when she was a wee one.

I joined on the old boards before pretty much everyone that's still here, with the exception of Jason Voorhees and Dead Kev, but they're not really "still here" either. I don't want to be on the council of elders though - makes me sound old. :lol:

[Lian]

That's alright if you don't have to run if you don't want to. But can I still count on your vote? :)

[vortec1]

You must have 5000 post to sit on the council:lol:

Well if I can't be on the council then I must be CAPTAIN material at least?:think:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Well if I can't be on the council then I must be CAPTAIN material at least?:think:


You can in command of the Rangers (Raiders for supplies):evil:

[vortec1]

You can in command of the Rangers (Raiders for supplies):evil:

I except the assignment! :evil:

[john154]

Start small right.

First law i'd break would be taking the pins out of all my rifle and pistol mags.

After that check your moral compass frequently.

[nickstocker]

Does anybody here think that the Gov. has ever even mentioned Zombie Plagues?


Or maybe have some op's planned?





Anything related to zombies mentioned/planned?

[Faran Brigo]

Unless you count this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY&hl=en), I doubt it.

[Creature]

Me? To be honest i would grab stuff i need. And things for wastin time. you can't go crazy or that would be bad.

[bandits1]

in Ellsworth, in MY fortress.. my word will be the law. No challenges, no appeals, no questions.

My only thought is the safety of my family, friends and comrades in the fortress.

I would not think twice about shooting looters or scavengers.
Why do you assume that your family, friends, and comrades would allow you to give anybody orders?

[mattdettorre123]

I mean no disrespect to any Military or LEO here.

I start breaking the law when I need to survive. If zombies are walking the streets, and I need antibiotics and either no one is around or no on will help then I take what I need. If society starts to crumble and I encounter one of those police officers who refuses to let his town fall then we have a problem. I have met some of those types, and I put my life first. You stand in my way of what i need when the only thing left in the world is zombies or ruins, I will deal with it with extreme prejudice.

[Boomstick Buddy]

Unless you count this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoXgRtDysLY&hl=en), I doubt it.

How could you doubt it? They are a threat to your children Jim. :)

[Tripoli]

There is no law when it comes to survival. . . EXCEPT SURVIVAL!

[GunSlingerInferno]

If it is a full out War, then law goes right out the window. However, even if there is no more law enforcement, there are still consequences to your actions. No need to murder people unnecessarily, but you have to do what you have to do. "Be nice, until it's time to not be nice"

[kanUsurvive]

I would start as soon as the poop hit the fan. If I didn't have things I needed I would steal them. Not from somebody else though. It would be from a store so I guess I would be looting. I wouldn't murder people unless they tried to kill me or take my supplies. Then I would kill them and take their stuff.

[Faran Brigo]

I'm pretty sure if the government didn't see 9/11 coming, it won't see ZPAW either. I'm thinking after awhile, the law won't be the law, unless you're talking about martial law.

How could you doubt it? They are a threat to your children Jim. :)

Eh... Barry, just think "blueberry" or "strawberry", that way you'll remember it

[stark55]

in Ellsworth, in MY fortress.. my word will be the law. No challenges, no appeals, no questions.

I would not think twice about shooting looters or scavengers.

scavengers can be reasoned with. most if not all of us will loot some stores.

[VideoJunkie]

My biggest fear in a zombie outbreak isn't the walking dead. Zed's are stupid. That means using our brains (and a S#!TLoad of ammo) we should be able to survive. Most people will be so freaked out that they'll die needlessly. Sucks to be them I guess. Think and plan and you'll probably live. What DOES scare the hell out of me is getting thrown in jail for looting too soon. Then getting left there when the cops either bug out or get eaten. THAT scares me! The trick is gonna be to wait until after the initial panic and collapse before you start doing anything that might upset the law. Or better yet, wait until you're sure there's no more 'law' to upset. Means you'll have a harder time scavenging supplies, but the idea of starving to death in a prison cell...:scare::puke:

[Bob]

What a fate, to stumble around a cell until you finally fell apart.

A jail / prison if empty and taken over would become an impenetrable fortress but if occupied would be a nightmare to empty.

[Krazymouse]

I would consider stealing from stores and other homes not stealing, as the people who own it are already zeds. if they werent zeds, they would be in the place guarding their hordes of video games and flat screen T.V.
I would, steal first, ask questions later.
I would Ask questions, then kill.
pretty much, i would stay in my little zombie fortress, with a little farm and water, and some other junk to stay alive until the Z war is over. If Law enforcement is still keeping order... I was just lie low until it fell apart... THEN WE BEGIN THE LOOTING.

So i would never kill someone unless they were going zombie on me or if they were attacking me

[Militaris]

At what stage would you start shooting people you think could be zombies?


You are walking home, late at night and heard a ruffling sound in the bushes... Then a blood covered person weakly walks towards you moaning... their clothing is torn and have visible bite wounds....

[kiltedninja]

BOOT TO THE HEAD! That's what I'd do.

I'd abide by this law; Anything you do to another human being will be returned to you tenfold(the laws of karma)

It's been the only law I've ever abided by in my life, and so far it's held true.

[OVERKILL]

Kind of an old thread, but a good one to ressurect. I'd also like to say that after reading this thread I'm sorta proud of MOST of my fellow ATZers with their moral and ethical stances. I agrre with most of what's been said and wouldn't consider taking food or supplies from an abandoned department/grocery/big box store stealing in such a situation. I would be more hesitant to take items from homes unless I was sure the tennants were never coming back (i.e. dead). I would be very hesitant to shoot scavengers myself, they wouldn't try to steal food if they weren't hungry. I feel that it may be easier to trade services or other supplies, maybe team up to raid the Super Wal-Mart that was too infested or something.
As to the bloody person weakly walking towards me, my answer is to back away cautiosly with my hand on my gun (as I wouldn't be without one on my hip during any waking moment and a rifle would always be within sprinting distance) asking them to stop and tell me what's wrong. A human would either stop or ask for help, a zombie would lunge for my tasty flesh.

[kiltedninja]

I'd find somewhere to hide that's secure while the initial insanity calms down, then go for looting.

I'd loot anything and everything, as long as it's not in possession of a living person.

[The Voice Of Desperation]

I would probably loot but the fear of setting of a alarm or something and getting a horde of zombies gnawing at my brain will probably keep me from looting for a while. But I'm pretty sure that I would eventually start looting stores when supplies ran low.

[kiltedninja]

Most store alarms are silent alarms, around here anyway.

I'd keep a close eye on the news, and when I stop seeing police and military vehicles is when I'd start shooting.

[Rican]

well technecly the seconed you pull the trigger and blow that first zombie's head off your breaking the law so i have to say ya plus i dont think walmart is ganna say anything when i steal a couple boxes of shells to clear out some zombies:drinking:

[mattifikation]

Arghhh Wal-Mart! :x:x:x:x:x

[OVERKILL]

I got a feeling it's going to be hard to loot all the Wal-Marts when Mattifikation has traveled around the country and blew all of them up and burned the ashes.

Rican made a good point as well. With all the "tree huggin' hippie crap" that goes around today, everyone who takes a shot at a "living impaired person" will end up in jail (at least as long as there are jails). Sounds more and more that in the unlikely event of an outbreak I'll just hunker down and wait it out as long as possible.

[slayer1222]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:

[Bob]

i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me :

Go ahead, drag your sorry ass on over here and try that.
The best you can hope for that I don't let the dogs have you.
Then again dog food is going to be in short supply.
Roasted leg of dumbass looter ought to make decent dog food.

[J Dub]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:
you would be chowder pretty quick too. i forgot...you are armed with what...a sharp stick :lol:

slayer is a zombie and doesn't know it :x

i think law will become more of a personal undertaking if all else fails. karma is a myth and is kept alive by the weak. if you want something done, but decide doing it yourself is unfavorable, that is not karma.

i feel sorry for the liberals :lol:

[DarthJoe8]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:


Careful, we don't talk about killing live people around these parts...:scare: Darkness will let ya know. :drinking: and the raping part...:doh: that's a no-no...:naughty:

[kiltedninja]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:

Alright, so I'm aiming for a zombie with half a dozen heavy weapons attached to him?

Karma will catch up to you real quick dude, I'm not tryna say don't kill zombies, but just remember that real people shoot back. You'll find that house to house combat is harder than you think, and that women aren't as helpless as you'd think.

I remember a quote, it's a little paraphrased, but it goes like this; A man on a battlefield is expected, but a woman on the battlefield is a beast looking for blood.

[Darkness]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:

"We DO NOT discuss the killing of 'living, uninfected, humans' in this forum. Please refrain from such comments in the future. Thank you." :naughty:


"As for the last comment, I like to see you try it, especially with any of the females in here." :axe: :saw: :machgun2: :guns: :shotg: :skull:

I remember a quote, it's a little paraphrased, but it goes like this; A man on a battlefield is expected, but a woman on the battlefield is a beast looking for blood.
"Well put!" :clap:

"As I have said before, Man may be inherently violent, Woman is inherently vicious." :evil:

[slayer1222]

let me speak to a mate and i will get a gun and then try it on the females in here:evil:

[Darkness]

"Drop it now, please. And get back to the topic."

[mattifikation]

Well, I wouldn't burn down every Wal-Mart, but if it were Z-Day I'd probably make it a point to try and trash the one I work at once the opportunity came. That's assuming the looters don't do the job for me. :lol:

On the subject of law breaking, is there anyone else who might be tempted to pay a mean little visit to their former place of business?

[hotlead]

Nope, no retributions or revenge seeking just 'cause the world has gone to hell for me. Imagine departing from the course of just trying to stay alive because the opportunity to do something stupid comes up and getting killed, instead of just puting it out of your mind and focusing on the tasks at hand.

I think for the most part the law will be everyones own moral code, one person here has demonstrated that his moral code will get his ass shot off in the first occupied house he enters, and he'll probably have a real stupid look on his face wondering what went wrong with his plan to victimize everyone he sees while he's on the floor bleeding to death.

[Necrolegion]

wow, that is a pretty harsh visual you gave there, though i would have to agree with you hotlead. i sure as hell wouldn't want to bother other people if i could be helped.

[mattifikation]

After tonight, and what I just found out was being done to me over the last few months without my knowledge, there's a few thing's I'd probably try to take care of if some zombies popped up.

[Bob]

Matt

I take it you weren't secretly being groomed for the management program.

I won't say it here but have you ever heard VJ's plan to get back at a guy at work? (Darkness fussed at me the last time I posted it)
It involves chainlink fencing.

Always remember in the early days in the eyes of the law there is going to be a fine line between murderer and Zombie Exterminator.

[OVERKILL]

i will simply turn barbaric i will kill anyone who gets in my way alive or dead and i will raid houses with people in the and take there stuff and kill them if they try to stop me as for raiding stores i will just go in with a weapon and kill anyone who even touches my stuff i no it sound heartless but its the only way to survive as for the raping well mabe take a woman or 2 in my bag :evil:


I think for the most part the law will be everyones own moral code, one person here has demonstrated that his moral code will get his ass shot off in the first occupied house he enters, and he'll probably have a real stupid look on his face wondering what went wrong with his plan to victimize everyone he sees while he's on the floor bleeding to death.

Couldn't have put it better myself. Remember the Golden Rule, it may actually prevent your untimely death at the hands of someone protecting their homestead.

[kiltedninja]

My law will be to respect others as I respect myself, and to expect the same as others, my law will be enforced at the edge of my blade, out of the barrel of my gun, and through my fists and boot heels.

That's how it will be in ZPAW with anyone who still thinks, they enforce their law, an unspoken moral code between survivors.

[Lian]

I think most people will try to present themselves have having a sound base of morals. And they may even follow them while it's beneficial for them, but unfortunately there is going to be a lot of survival of the fittest crap going around and when things get bad you'll find out how much you can trust the people with you. I foresee much backstabbing going around.

Personally I have my own code of conduct. There are some lines I won't cross and there are a number of things I flat out won't do, and would sooner die an honorable death than violate my set rules. However it's a rather loose set of morals that will still be able to carry me through in the chaotic PAW scenario.

A lot of otherwise decent people will put their own lives before everything else though, and damn whoever gets in their way. Those will be the people you'll have to worry about when the :poo: hits the fan.

[Bob]

You would be amazed what people will do when they get hungry enough.

[Lian]

That's a good point. A cheeseburger will be worth more than a thousand times it's weight in gold.

[kiltedninja]

I know what people do when they get hungry, and I mean really hungry. I've been there.

I can make cheeseburgers, so I think I'm good.

[Noc]

It depends if i was in a fortified area with adequate food i would stick by common morales, but even though i feel like a baddie saying it, if someone had food or somthing i [U]needed[B]/B] then i would probably use excessive force to make sure their food was in my backpack. But i would be first to give up my food for my family.


Stealing wouldn't bother me at all, i just wouldn't want to be killed by a cop out hunting looters:scare:

[mattifikation]

Yeah, I recall that Bob. It's always good to have a lot of fencing practice...

[Bob]

mattifikation

:evil:

[OVERKILL]

What's the deal with fencing?

[Bob]

Fencing as in chain link not foils.

[kiltedninja]

Bob, tell VJ that he is a cruel cruel man.

[toe_tag]

The way I see it: lawlessness would be almost instantaneous in the event of a zombie outbreak. To offer a real-life comparison on how quickly people turn ugly, Hurricane Katrina. Raping babies, killing each other, going into every-man-for-himself mode. That's with the rest of the world still (heh... 'relatively') intact around the affected area. Sure, you'll have the odd tale of heroism and selflessness, but overall, especially if what's going on looks as though it's headed to Apocalypse status - ugh. Ugly.

[Bob]

In the inner cities it would take the Army with tanks and rockets and stuff to quell the violence.

[mattifikation]

The inner cities would just be a sea of the undead. It'd be a pretty creepy site. I don't think there'd be much violence there... just the most horrible moaning and vile stench you could possibly imagine... as far as the ears and eyes could detect.

[joerrrrrr]

I would steal (from unoccupied stores, not other people trying to survive) thats fo sho but i wouldent go murdering child molesting the second i see zombies on the rise.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, always wait until the dead have been up and walking for at least 3 days before you go about with the kiddy diddling. You wanna make sure society's thoroughly destroyed. :lol:

[toe_tag]

Not that I want to diddle babies or anything overly sick like that, but I can't wait for society to crumble.

[mattifikation]

the creepy child molestation jokes keep regressing to younger and younger versions of people.

that's it. i'm going all out. when z-day breaks out, I'm totally going to rub my junk up on an unfertilized egg cell.

[Lian]

the creepy child molestation jokes keep regressing to younger and younger versions of people.

that's it. i'm going all out. when z-day breaks out, I'm totally going to rub my junk up on an unfertilized egg cell.

wow. crazy to the extreme man. :drool:

Personally I think Katrine is a bad example though. For the most part, those left behind were convicts let loose from the prisons, lowlifes that didn't want to leave, those financially unable to leave, and only a small percentage of what you might call "Average" folk.

These people were on the brink, BEFORE, a hurricane hit the city. Just gave them an excuse to take it that one step farther when there wasn't anyone there to lay down the law or stop them.

[Bob]

This is the only gun not confiscated by the Gestapo called to arms due to Katrina

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1466/gungrille27660236.jpg

[slayer1222]

Not that I want to diddle babies or anything overly sick like that, but I can't wait for society to crumble.

i no people that do that to babies are sick but 12 year olds are another story

[kiltedninja]

BOOT TO THE HEAD! 12 year olds are off limits too.

I think I'd carry a baton of some sort just to dole out corporal punishment with. an ASP on my belt would be good for that.

Anywho, police and military would likely still have some sort of established safe zones, but it's not likely that I'd be in one, I'd go elsewhere.

[slayer1222]

BOOT TO THE HEAD! 12 year olds are off limits too.


unless your 12 too like me

[Bob]

Historically that's what whips are used for.

[mattifikation]

12 year olds shouldn't be shackin up with anybody, including other 12 year olds

[the_velociraptor]

When would you start breaking the law?

Soon or would you try to maintain some sort of civility and do the whole law abidding deal?

What sort of law? Like, don't do thirty in a ten mile zone, or don't murder and false imprison?

:P

Seriously, if I am absolutely certain there are no police and there is a direct threat to my life, yes.

[toe_tag]

These people were on the brink, BEFORE, a hurricane hit the city. Just gave them an excuse to take it that one step farther when there wasn't anyone there to lay down the law or stop them.
Exactly, that's in one spot that was having a hard time. Multiply that by, hmm... let's say the rest of the world? New Orleans is not a unique circumstance that defied probability. The same thing can easily happen anywhere. My point was that if this can happen in the 'free world' in a non-end-of-times yet still unfortunate event, with a 'functioning' government on the outskirts, what will happen in a zompocalypse?

[Groth]

I would try and maintain as much civility as I could. But remember, survival is number one. Nothing else should come before your survival.

[Bob]

A number of states have passed laws preventing a firearm confiscation like was done in Loo-eze-E-anna

[mattifikation]

Funny that they should need to, considering our founding fathers passed a nationwide ban on such confiscations over 200 years ago.

[kiltedninja]

That's why I'm a conservative, because I don't understand what the hell goes on in the left's head.

New Orleans sucks, especially after Katrina, my dad was down there cartin around supplies in a big ol' military truck.

[slayer1222]

on the subject of katrina the goverment diddent help i have evidence

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv178/gunfreak1222/bush-fishing.jpg

[kiltedninja]

Y'know Slayer, I understand that you said you're twelve and all, but I'm pretty damn sure that they teach grammar and spelling in elementary school.

As for the Katrina thing, my dad is a soldier, and he was sent there to help them, by who? The government, the guys who tell a soldier what to do.

I'd suggest you think about things before you speak, especially to a group who is largely composed of soldiers, former soldiers, or people who are going to be soldiers.

Just so I'm not entirely off topic, the law will probably dissolve entirely within a month if the military, police, and any local militia can't figure out how to deal with the problem quickly.

[Lian]

Exactly, that's in one spot that was having a hard time. Multiply that by, hmm... let's say the rest of the world? New Orleans is not a unique circumstance that defied probability. The same thing can easily happen anywhere. My point was that if this can happen in the 'free world' in a non-end-of-times yet still unfortunate event, with a 'functioning' government on the outskirts, what will happen in a zompocalypse?


No I'm not going to argue that things aren't bad everywhere and that they won't be worse in ZPAW. I was merely pointing out that the people that were still in New Orleans had already had their civil and moral fiber wore thin. I'd like to think, at least initially, that those are the extreme edges of the line and that it won't be that bad right off the bat.

Then again we are talking a much more devastating world event that would dwarf New Orleans in scale...so who knows.

[J Dub]

Exactly, that's in one spot that was having a hard time. Multiply that by, hmm... let's say the rest of the world? New Orleans is not a unique circumstance that defied probability. The same thing can easily happen anywhere. My point was that if this can happen in the 'free world' in a non-end-of-times yet still unfortunate event, with a 'functioning' government on the outskirts, what will happen in a zompocalypse?

you don't think having your right to bear arms taken from you with the snap of a finger is not unique...funny how they passed new laws to insure it doesn't happen again.
the worst thing about orleans is the zombies weren't dead, and the governments initiated chaos caused far more harm than katrina :-(

but what do i know

[Darkness]

"Enough with Katrina. Back To Zombies, Please."

[kiltedninja]

You know what? I know what, me and what are pretty good friends.:lol:

I think that despite the fact that they've been in movies and legends for like...ever, the government is still going to get blindsided by it, were it to happen. The Powers that be would probably be like 'well...let's just declare martial law, that ought to work.' and when it doesn't they'll be like 'I blame it on the terrorists...LET'S DO A BIG COVER UP!'

That's about how it would go, and us smart people would be gone into hiding before they even tried to declare martial law. Because we're smart like that.

[J Dub]

"Enough with Katrina. Back To Zombies, Please."

sorry Darkness, my bad

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/d6ze7.gif

[hotlead]

Aaaaarrrrrrrrgggghhh......why would you post that so early in the morning????

[mattifikation]

I wonder if slayer is aware of the blatant photoshopping in that picture...

[doctorsatan]

i'd just stick to myself, and keep away from people, maybe stay with one or two people but besides that be alone, heheh bit of a loner anyway, easier to snipe that way anyway.

[kiltedninja]

A big group would be bad, no doubt, especially in maintaining order of that group.

[toe_tag]

i'd just stick to myself, and keep away from people, maybe stay with one or two people but besides that be alone, heheh bit of a loner anyway, easier to snipe that way anyway.

Sniper? Frightening. Are you going to go spree killing from your apartment window?

[J Dub]

Sniper? Frightening. Are you going to go spree killing from your apartment window?

oh come on now dear.
your fear of firearms borders on mongering.

i'm all in for sniping zombies...the more the merrier :lol:

and the season should last year round with no limits :lol:

[detpat]

spree killing.......what did that have to do with anything?

[J Dub]

just someone being a troll :doh:

[toe_tag]

Sorry, I've been reading up on spree killing a bit too much lately, my bad ;) *troll*

[Necrolegion]

easier to snipe? right.... so your saying you would carry a Giant rifle around, even though there is a possibility of law still being in such a position as to 'take you down'?

[ZombieJesus13]

HHHMMM well im pretty sure i would quit following the law when i see a FREAKING zombie walking down the street trying to eat people. Thats when the :poo: hits the fan.

[Necrolegion]

i'm sure the law enforcement wouldn't see it that way, at least in the beginning.

[ZombieJesus13]

well the law enforcment wont care when they are all zombies.

[kiltedninja]

I'd recommend that you stay barricaded in a safe location, waiting for the chaos to settle a little, before going on a zombie cleansing spree.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

Yet again i agree with ninja, patinence is a virtue, w8 then go kill hell out of them zeds

[Reaper941]

i'd just stick to myself, and keep away from people, maybe stay with one or two people but besides that be alone, heheh bit of a loner anyway, easier to snipe that way anyway.


Hate to tell you buddy, but Snipers work in teams of two people. :)

Spotter and Shooter. Spotter finds targets, determines distance, windage, elevation etc and Shooter..

Well.. Pulls the trigger. :drinking:


Although I'll admit I've been "sniping" on my own and it's possible.

[kiltedninja]

Either way, I seriously doubt he's a trained sniper, so it'd just be marksmanship not sniping.

[mattifikation]

It's not sniping. It's not marksmanship. It's douchebaggery, to come around lying about one's accomplishments and life. Especially when you're just some nobody and you're pretending to be a serviceman in one of the most dangerous and respectable positions our military has to offer.

[kiltedninja]

Have you been on ATS lately Matt?

Yeah, basically it's douchebaggery, when you're pretending to be something you're not *cough*mall ninjas*cough*.

[toe_tag]

I dabble in a little of this 'douchebaggery' pretending to me someone else... thing. Like when I'm walking through a dark park or something at night, I'll call out "Hellooo! I'm a horny little boy!" I think I do it to weed out anyone hiding in the bushes. Makes me feel better ;)

[Bob]

ATS???
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/ ???

[kiltedninja]

Yessir, that's ATS.

That's how I found this website, Matt showed me in fact.

Back to Law and survival.

I guess that breaking the law requires that people be around to enforce it. Moral code would be all that's keeping the guy with the rifle down the road from blowing your head off.

[mattifikation]

Shh. I do not spam.

*monotone forced voice*
It's against the law and survival
/monotone forced voice

[kiltedninja]

I'm pretty sure I didn't understand that.

[gama169]

I'd brake any law that would help my group survive by braking it. As in I'll break ones that have more pros to breaking it than cons.

[mattifikation]

I'd steal guns and ammunition left and right. Breaking and entering? Oh hell yeah. Car theft? You betcha.

I wouldn't victimize the living, but if I find supplies that I need and nobody else is there to claim them, it's MINE.

[kiltedninja]

Finders keepers, losers weepers...I think that's how it's gonna stay in ZPAW.

Guns, ammo, food, soap, all that will be free game if you can get your hands on it.

[bandits1]

I'd steal guns and ammunition left and right. Breaking and entering? Oh hell yeah. Car theft? You betcha.

I wouldn't victimize the living, but if I find supplies that I need and nobody else is there to claim them, it's MINE.
This probably close to how I'd operate. Although, if I came across a hideout that I knew was currently occupied(but the occupants weren't there at the moment), I would probably leave it alone even though I could get away with stealing their sh*t. Don't need to be making enemies in a lawless land.

[Dark Gale]

I'm not sure if this has been asked, but do you think that if all the zombies die and things go back to normal, would they still prosecute you for the crimes you committed during the outbreak? (If they have evidence of course)

[mattifikation]

I don't think there would be a "they" to do the prosecuting.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, people would be used to their new ways of lawlessness, and government would probably be much looser.