The local Pharmacy...

[fester_hicks]

The scenerio is this:

You've just pulled up in front of the local drugstore. It's almost noon and it's panic in the streets as it's finally out that somethings happening!

What now?

One other question: Will your course of action be defined as LEGAL or ILLEGAL by the current standards of law?

[AN OLD SHOE]

well i would grab all the medical stuff..i would steal it so its illegal...

i would grab pain killers,anti infectant stuff, med kits and sewing kits cold medicine then after i grabbed all of that stuff off the shelves i would get back in my car and haul ass!

[Darkness]

"I'd go across the street to the Herbalist, because I don't use pharmaceuticals." ;-)

[AN OLD SHOE]

haha well maybe someone else down the road will need them??? :lol:

[Darkness]

"I wouldn't take the chance. I DON'T know how to apply Pharmaceuticals, but I DO know how to use the herbal remedies."

[AN OLD SHOE]

ok haha i withdraw my case....i will lt the master do her work :lol:

[Darkness]

"Why try and use something I have no skill at, right?" :)

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah your right...you do what you do best and i will do what i d best i guess :roll::lol:

[zmbvan]

I stock pile of free medication (illegally). I hopefully would only grab what I would need and not just what I would want for pleasure. :evil:

Of course I would take all I needed though. Who is gonna stop me?

[Zombreach]

I would have to agree with An Old Shoe. I would pick up regular and prescription medications...i.e. antibiotics, caffeine pills (to keep me awake), cold remedies (don't want to be feeling sick), pain pills, some pepto-bismuth, and a good first-aide kit. Not to mention extra bandaging materials. I would also pick up extra of the medications I am currently taking. Since I can get most of these things without a prescription, I could do it legally if there was someone working to take my money. Otherwise, I would lift it. SOOOO bad!!!:lol:

I would also pick up some non-perishable food and water. Lots of candy bars too-can never have enough sugar. A flashlight would be nice, some matches, scissors (must cut the hair--short hair is safer), and anything else I could lay my hands on that would be useful.

[Victor Clark]

I would probably take a lot of the meds inside that I would need illegally if the owner isn't inside still alive. If he/she is, I would try to buy as much of it as I can legally (I don't know if they have a gun, and I don't want to know). I might also hold up in the store for maybe a day or two if the chaos outside is too much.

[fester_hicks]

I would also grab emergancy splints, blood pressure kit, syringes, ear supplies and dental supplies, throw more than half in a box and forget about it for now, but have it in case the need arises.

[Barbara]

This is funny because I recently started a job at a pharmacy and am on my way to becoming a pharmasist (if only I could spell it).

But yeah, I would grab as many tornaquets, bandages, bottles of iodine, bottles of peroxide, splints, ace bandages, slings, OTC pain relievers, batteries, face masks, latex gloves...and things like that...

As for medications :

Pain meds : Theres ALWAYS someone in a great amount of pain in these "situations". From what I've seen.....theres always someone on fire lol.

Heart/Cholesterol/blood thinners medication : We've all seen zed movies where someone is about to have a heart attack.

Antiboditics : Always good to have.

Xanaxs/Valium : Theres always someone whos freaking the fu** out.

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah barbara!

i need a pharmacist in my group...wanna meet up with meand the rest of the ATZ crew in kansas?:lol:

[Barbara]

PM me the specs! Sounds like fun.

[Zombreach]

yeah barbara!

i need a pharmacist in my group...wanna meet up with meand the rest of the ATZ crew in kansas?:lol:

No Barbara, not Kansas, Michigan, on Mackinaw Island. I work at an animal hospital and do a lot of the ordering for medications. Think of me as the animal pharmacist... And I can help you with your spelling! :lol:

[Barbara]

LOL, thanks. I guess for survival purposes I SHOULD learn how to spell.


Hmm..Michigan or Kansas?

[Zombreach]

LOL, thanks. I guess for survival purposes I SHOULD learn how to spell.


Hmm..Michigan or Kansas?


Spelling isn't needed for survival, we'll just concentrate on learning our medications. Just having two females in the group with all these men will give us a head start. :lol::evil:

[detpat]

go inside and close the steel shutters and lock the loading bay. these places are built like little forts and filled with useful stuff. My local one is well situated.

technically i would be trespassing, but at least i haven't stolen anything.

[Zombreach]

go inside and close the steel shutters and lock the loading bay. these places are built like little forts and filled with useful stuff. My local one is well situated.

technically i would be trespassing, but at least i haven't stolen anything.


HUH?:drool:

[mattifikation]

I wouldn't go in. The place sure would be loaded with some useful stuff, but if you're smart you've already got as many medical supplies as you can carry in your emergency car kit.

Odds are highly against you being the first person to think of looting the pharmacy. Odds are highly FOR the idea that there's a few people already in there who are either infected, or will shoot you as soon as you walk through the door for trying to take "their" supplies.

Look at it this way. If you're in an area that's populated enough for a pharmacy to do business, you should still be in the "start moving and don't stop for ANYTHING" phase of your plan.

[ryan112ryan]

Today we have remarkable medical technology at our disposal. In the USA we have nearly eliminated small poxs, mumps etc. When we get a bacterial infection, we have antibiotics.

We take it for granted and it takes such a high level of technology, materials and specialty knowledge. When Zeds have come and we live in a new world, are we just screwed when the current stock is used up or expired?

[MacSupreMe]

Depends on who survives I guess, but one important factor is that all medical breakthroughs are documented... Such being that the chemicals that are necessary to create these anibiotics and so-forth would have detailed instructions on how to make them.... It would all really come down to finding them...

When it really comes down to it though most drugs aren't really that hard to make.. and alot of the medical break throughs have all happened LONG before our life time...


If it is coming I highly suggest we all start hoarding some medical journals.

[Jimmy]

The scenerio is this:

You've just pulled up in front of the local drugstore. It's almost noon and it's panic in the streets as it's finally out that somethings happening!

What now?

One other question: Will your course of action be defined as LEGAL or ILLEGAL by the current standards of law?


When I first noticed the beginnings of an Outbreak I would let my Sgt. know that I had a family emergency and needed to get home, I'd jet straight home and loadup the SUV with supplies and pack my family into my squadcar. My dad would follow us with the supplies in the SUV, I'd take some of my detachable emergency lights and put them in the SUV so we could drive out of town going hot and not get pulled over.

ILLEGAL. People would loot drugstores and make a profit off the drugs on the streets.

[Gummerfan]

My wife's diabetic, so:
Insulin, insulin, insulin.

[VideoJunkie]

I'd grab all the over the counter stuff I could. Including pain meds, antacids and sinus meds. I'd also be after dental and hygiene supplies. Some things our wives and daughters are gonna need that we guys usually try not to think about. If the pharmacist is willing, I'll also buy up whatever antibiotics he or she is willing to sell me. Money at this point is no object. I'll keep spending as long as my credit card holds out! Of course I doubt anyone will be willing to sell me antibiotics without a prescription, so I'm kind of screwed there. Not the end of the world though. My company does work at a large pharmaceutical company. They have a huge stock of different drugs on hand for shipping. I wouldn't even think about trying to get anything illegally at this point though. I'm doing NOTHING that might get me thrown in jail this early in the crisis. At least until things are screwed up enough that I don't have to worry about the LEO's ruining my day. Then I'd plan to raid the Pharmacy Warehouse for any drugs that we might need. Primarily antibiotics. The place I'm planning to bunker in is a warehouse that supplies a chain of grocery stores in the nearby states. It's HUGE and has just about everything. Even better, it's outside of town and very few people even know what it is! Anyway, other than meds, I'll just need enough supplies from the pharmacy to hold me over until we get to the warehouse. It's only about 20 minutes down the interstate, so I figure we should make it there in between 20 minutes (if we move before everyone figures out what's happening) and 3 days (if we don't).

[kanUsurvive]

I think I would hold up in my local CVS Pharmacy. It has really high windows and only one entrance. Which is a glass door. It could easily be fortified with all the shelves inside the store. There is a loading bay door. Nothing would get through that though. Plus there is plenty of food and drink for a little while and medical supplies.

[Krazymouse]

just don't get addicted on drugs... Because when the current stock run out, good luck to you

[kanUsurvive]

just don't get addicted on drugs... Because when the current stock run out, good luck to you

I would only take them if needed. Or unless I was doomed and didn't want to know what was going on. Just take a few sit back and relax without a care in the world.

[VideoJunkie]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ncress31/zombies-3.jpg
...uh, what he said...

This has nothing to do with what you posted. I just wanted to say that this is one SERIOUSLY disturbing picture. I can't believe you haven't gotten a bunch of flak over it. I feel so, I don't know, violated! And not in a good way! Well, maybe a little bit in a good way. :loon:Oh well, Happy Halloween!!!

[kanUsurvive]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x234/ncress31/zombies-3.jpg


This has nothing to do with what you posted. I just wanted to say that this is one SERIOUSLY disturbing picture. I can't believe you haven't gotten a bunch of flak over it. I feel so, I don't know, violated! And not in a good way! Well, maybe a little bit in a good way. :loon:Oh well, Happy Halloween!!!

Nope, I haven't gotten any flak over it. I've actually had people tell me it's an awesome picture. I'm glad you felt violated though. HaHa I love my sig picture.

[bandits1]

If I had a short amount of time to access an empty and abandoned pharmacy, I'd grab what some others have already mentioned: antibiotics, prescription strength anti-inflammatories/anti-pain meds(and the OTC variety of the same), hydrogen peroxide and rubbing alcohol, bandages, toothbrushes/toothpaste, multi-vitamins, batteries, flashlights, etc...

And..of course...drinks and snacks.

[Ironzey]

I'd have to research before I went in. Off the top of my head I'd grab some:

800 mg Motrin as much as I can find. Fever reducer, "pain killer" it doesn't drug you up. anti inflamatory too.

Amoxcicylin, an antibiotic that's used for treating baacterial infections.

Percocet: heavy duty "pain killer" this will drug you up. Motrin isn't always enough.

A bunch of caffine pills, energy and appetite supressant good in an emergency situation.

Time permitting I'd also stock up on sterile bandages, iodine (cut and water purification) and sports cream or bengay. I'd only grab this stuff if I felt I had time.

That is pretty much it. Anything besides this would be useless to me cause I couldn't diagnose a treatment plan for less obvious stuff.

I guess I would stock up on my BP and cholesterol medication. Crestor 5mg and Hydrochlorothyamide 25mg these would be very optional.

There is no use taking what you don't know how to use. If I had time to loot properly I'd pick up a PDR (physician desk reference) and take more time to get a wider array of anti infection stuff.

[KrimsonKing]

Penicillin or some other type of antibiotic.

Medicines for lowering fever such as aspirin.

Heavy duty pain killers, such as oxycottin, it’s only for pain, you don’t wanna get faded during a life and death situation.

Iodine for disinfecting cuts and water.

Needles and medical thread for stitches.

Bandages and small surgical tools such as hemostats and scalpels.

If you are in a area that has poisonous animals you should carry the proper injections.

Caffeine pills and multi vitamins

There are some more things I would want but you got to travel light.

[Bob]

Don't forget medicinal alcohol.

[mattifikation]

It seems to me like we should work on a list of various pharmaceuticals with corresponding natural remedies that don't require factories or advanced knowledge to obtain.

The pharmacies' supplies will only last for so long... especially after the druggies ransack them.

[Darkness]

"I like that idea, Matt." :)

[CAVU45]

The Storey Country Wisdom bulletins are fantastic small guides to help with anything from building a chicken coop to natural remedies for health problems.

[Amsterdamm]

Take anything ending with -cillin

Examples:
amoxicillin
penicillin antibiotic, such as:
ampicillin (Omnipen, Principen);
carbenicillin (Geocillin);
dicloxacillin (Dycill, Dynapen);
oxacillin (Bactocill); or
penicillin (Beepen-VK, Ledercillin VK, Pen-V, Pen-Vee K, Pfizerpen, V-Cillin K, Veetids).

The rest of the pharms are too dangerous to mess with.

[the_velociraptor]

Grab anything I think I'll need, and probably something that looks like it'll come in handy later.

[Dark Comic]

I would probably stay out of the prescription drugs. Sure I would want some pain killers and other useful stuff, but this is no time for reading fine print and trying to remember if I want chloromazapien or carbomazathone. (Yes I pulled these names out of my ass.) My point being I will stick to the regular shopping aisles where most things are in colorful, easy to recognize packaging.

[angekfire]

I would probably stay out of the prescription drugs. Sure I would want some pain killers and other useful stuff, but this is no time for reading fine print and trying to remember if I want chloromazapien or carbomazathone. (Yes I pulled these names out of my ass.) My point being I will stick to the regular shopping aisles where most things are in colorful, easy to recognize packaging.

Yea, I'm gunna agree on that one. Unless you just grabbed everything, and then read it all later when you're sitting around waiting for some Zeds to show up to your fortification.

But stuff I'd take:
-Aspirin
-Polysporin/bactine/whatever will stop me from getting an infection
-anti-histamines (Benadryl)
-First aid kid
-Extra bandages & gauze, medical tape
-Antibiotics (probably pennicillin)
-Vitamins
-Caffiene pills
-Meal replacement bars
-Batteries
-Something for water purification
-Purell & antibacterial soap
-Toothpaste, toothbrush, floss
-Razors

[Krazymouse]

I would come with a truck, go behind the medicine counter with my handgun, have a hold up and tell them to give me all the medicine/drugs/and whatever.

Almost everything can be made or substituted in the Z-World. Except for Medicine....

I highly doubt factories making medicine will be working anymore.

[Darkness]

Almost everything can be made or substituted in the Z-World. Except for Medicine.....

"You should closer into the world of natural herbs and cures." ;-)

[Krazymouse]

"You should closer into the world of natural herbs and cures." ;-)

I personally don't know how to make Tamiflu out of weeds on the ground :D

[mattifikation]

Find food with vitamin D3 in it.

[Darkness]

"Good answer, Matt!" :clap:

[Survivor of the Dead]

Alright this is my first post (and topic) on All Things Zombie Forums (ATZF?) but I have been skimming through the topics on here for a while. While skimming i did not see a topic covering the need for medical attention during a zombie outbreak.

When zombies take control of the world finding proper medical attention will be near impossible. As such you will need a bit of know how yourself to ensure you keep healthy. So I am making this topic so that those of us (including me) who have no medical knowledge other then knowing not to drink unsafe water or don't touch blood (this will be hard in a zombie apocalypse).

So to start off i will ask a few questions to add to my and others knowledge.
After a zombie outbreak doctors will be some of the first to die (they will try and cure the infected thus coming infected themselves) so the chances of finding a doctor in a zombie invasion is slim (unless one of your friends is one). So you will need to know how clean wounds, know what medicine to take to keep you self healthy and how to prevent infection (the non-zombie type).

So with that said: how do you clean wounds and close them with the limited supplies of a first aid kit? What medication would you loot (if it is that bad of a outbreak) from the local pharmacy in case of infection or other problems? How would i keep wound from being infected (i would imagine that open cuts on the feet will be the biggest problem as you will need to move around a lot)? Lastly, what would you pack into your first aid kit?

Well i know this is a lot of stuff to read but to me it is all important. When the zombies come, then you will wish you knew this stuff.

[kiltedninja]

I used a needle, some rubbing alcohol, and some upholstery thread to stitch the inside of my elbow shut.

[DarthJoe8]

I like butterfly stitches for closing wounds... :drinking: You can use them in a hurry they're easy to use. :think:

[Dave Of The Dead]

My basic first aid kit and what I've been using my whole accident prone life includes:
Hydrogen Peroxide
Rubbing alcohol
Electrical Tape/ medical tape
Sewing needles
Dental Floss/ thread
Pain killers
Caffeine Pills

I don't get sick very easily any more so most of my stuff is concentrating on injury fixer-uppers. But just in case, bring a long a nice big bottle of vitamin C tabs to get your immune system ready for anything you may catch.

[CAVU45]

I once set my own compound fracture, stitching up the wound left behind with fishing line and then walking five miles to the emergency room.

Seriously though, I still have a fully stocked CLS bag that I could even perform surgery with if I had the skill. As for knowledge, there are plenty of books around that give medical guidance for field use. The SAS manual and the US Army SF Medical Handbook are good resources for basic care. The Combat Medic Field Reference goes mroe indepth.

[Victor Clark]

I don't have a first-aid kit (or anything even close to one), but I do have 2 medical journals, a 2-volume medical encyclopedia, and a first-aid & safety handbook. I know that's not much, but it still dosen't hurt to study up.

[JimiVengeance]

i would def take al the medication i would need.pain meds of course also creams and sprays for burns.bandaging and whatnot :drinking:

[Bob]

Dermibond is wonderful stuff.

[massacre07]

On the original post, my actions at the drug store would defined as illegal.

One thing I would add ontop of the standard medical supplies that have been thoroughly listed in this thread, and as strange as this is going to sound... Condoms.

Ok.. I know what you're thinking. But condoms can be used for more than just contraceptives.. besides do you really want to bring a baby into that world in the off chance you got laid?
Anyways latex is water proof, stretchable, can be substituted for gloves in some cases, you can store things inside... if you have something valuable you want to hide from the people you're traveling with... IM JUST SAYING!!!

Obviously there are better alternatives, but if you get stuck in a jam...

Oh yah they're also extremely light so whats the difference if you've got a dozen rubbers sitting in the bottom of your pack?

[kiltedninja]

I have a box of trojans in my BOB. I saw no harm in having them. It's a good idea Massacre.

I'd look for burn creams and Tiger balm(muscle reliver cream). Also just plain old antiseptics.

[undeadkllr]

I have two med kits on small with only the essentials that is in my load bearing vest. The other is a fully socked large kit that stays in the Jeep, loaded with the basics and some specialty items and Meds. I am outdoors often so injuries are frequent and I have learned to be prepared for most things. Plus my wife is a nurse and I have leared more form her than I did in Army Basic(med wise, anyway)

[Dark Gale]

I would take all the painkillers I need from the garage, tons of boxes containing 28 weeks worth of prescription pain killers, because of my Dad. (They're all legal by the way, not stockpiled illegaly or any of that.)

And then I would probably just get tape, gauze, iodine/alchohol things like that. I've never been the person to use Meds unless I was forced, so the most I would need is a painkiller or two. Other than that, normal medical supplies would help much more.

[sparta98]

I would probably take as much as i could cus i wont be coming back... deathly sick people gravitate toward pharmacies. I would examine the military situation. if they go to kill-all-sons-o-b******-mode i will hole up in the old national guard armory(abandoned) and kill zeds the roof with my extended familiy's endless ammo (all of us hunt) if anybody in need of help happens by ive got lots of meds

also conveniently several people in my family have extensive knowledge of auto mechanics and a everso helpful gas station on both sides... plus almost half of us have driven a motorcycle.

(if youve ever seen the armory im talking about it is about 20 feet high with brick walls on all sides and only two doors.)

[kiltedninja]

I think a basic first aid kit with some needles, a good strong thread, and antiseptics would about cover it.

[Kissaki]

I would take whatever I can get!

Especially painkillers in all variations, antibiotika, first-aid-kits and anything familiar! Perhaps some boosters or steroids as well. Whatever might be limited and hard to get elsewhere!

[mattifikation]

I recently learned that aspirin is nothing more than a synthetic version of a chemical that can be extracted from white willow bark. Apparently the bark itself can be made into a tincture that is just as effective as aspirin.

[Kissaki]

I recently learned that aspirin is nothing more than a synthetic version of a chemical that can be extracted from white willow bark. Apparently the bark itself can be made into a tincture that is just as effective as aspirin.

If you can freely choose, you probably wont take aspirin! Paracetamol is stronger, increases effect in higher doses and does not make the blood thinner. Important when you are injured!! Additionally it can lower fever!
I do not talk about the stuff you would usually need a prescrioption!

[Bob]

Paracetamol is known as acetaminophen (Tylenol) here in the new world. :evil:

[hightechredneck]

waiting until z-day to stockup is conter survival, already have (and keep updated) a med kit that has bandages, splints, sutures, blood cloters, hemos, suringes, and scapels, i have on hand, vitamins and supliments, basic pain meds etc, the only thing i would look for are prescription meds, heavy duty pain killers, antibiotics and the like, as for use, i have 2 nurses in my family so i will have someone with med knowledge, and if i can hook up with my brothers family, my niece is 3rd yr studing to be doctor.

[Scud]

i would grab a bunch of painkillers, mostly for future trading possibilities and injured comrades, antibiotics, cans of sterile saline spray for wound irrigation, ibuprofen, some sam splints if avalible, and some mike and ike candies. for sanitizing things i would use grain alcohol like everclear or maybe bacardi 151.

[Zombreach]

Like Bob, I take medication daily, and I would grab as much of it as I can. I usually have a 6 month supply at home, so I would be set for a while. Antibiotics would be a must, as well as anti-inflammatories. I think I would also grab a drug reference book for dosing. I would also grab pain killers, but would have to be careful not to get ones that have a sedative effect.

No mike and ikes for me :lol:, but power bars would be useful.