Rally Point for ATZ members

[fester_hicks]

Lets decide on a rally point for surviving ATZ members?

Any suggestions?

[AN OLD SHOE]

well it has to be big....and it has to be able to support hundreds...or atleast 100 comfortably with sleeping areas and food and stuff....

it has to be somewhere that can be reached by everyone...im thinking it is deff in the states...ok maybe not florida :lol: i wish though haha its easy on me...

we can meet in a huge movie theatre in the middle of the country..or go to the mall of america....

i suggest google earth...use that and search all through the usa...and find a low population area...preferably in the middle-ish of the states and then zoom in close and find a big secure place....and make sure the city is big enough that way food wont be a problem...and guns....the stuff we will need...and the city has to be small enough though...or isolated enough to where if say i were coming to the safe zone and had no weapons or supplies i wouldnt have to fight at all or hard to live and get to the safe zone...

i will look further into this and find a suggested area...and we will decide i guess

lets also make plans for when we get this spot...

for the plans i think this

when we find the spot it should be completley secured...no way anyone can get in...if there is a back door which is exit only....leave that lightly barracaded so you can open it for people...

once secured with the spot get a huge white curtain or something to use as a flag so ATZ members will know its occupied and safe...

move all the cars you can to make road blocks...atleast 3 blocks around...use all the cars you can if not all of them!

we need to designate a walkie talkie channel and a radio channel that way we can communicate with walkie talkies and cb radios...

we will need a password to say over the communications like ATZ Straggler come in ATZ base or something...

im saying the city should be somewhat big..and have matress stores and what not...so we can support a hundred or more people...

once a base is secured make smalle safe houses with a white flag over them in the city so as to help ATZ stragglers get to base
(say its dark outside and you need a place to stay before getting to base)

umm any more ideas that i missed?

[UNDEAD FRED]

Lets all go to Ft Pastor

[AN OLD SHOE]

just looking around in the middle of the usa for conveniance....i found a city in the middle of no where called scott city..it looks big but small and isolated enough..im checking outoo the buildings now...

anyone have ideas for communications other than my idea?

[Darkness]

"You would have to have more than one, considering that ATZ members are from all over the globe." ;-)

[AN OLD SHOE]

i know this...i was just saying for the ATZ members in the usa...im just trying to get a rally point for a place myself and other USA ATZ members can go too...i dont wanna tell people from europe where to go...cause chances are i wont be in europe when z-day hits


anyways i found ths place...it looks suitable...let me know what the US ATZ members think of it..check out that area..

and actually...if everyone in the usa will say whether they are on the east coast or west coast...that would make it even easier

[zmbvan]

You can all come to Nebraska then I wouldn't have to travel.:lol:

Or we could all go to Montana or North Dakota where there are not many people. Large open plains of land that you can see for miles around. Perfect for seeing zombies slow aproach.

[AN OLD SHOE]

sounds good..but i was thinking more of a dead ceter in the USA....like in the kansas area...we would need a city thats bg enough that it hasa wal mart atleast...we would need a big building for all of us membrs...and we would need enough cars there that are left over to block off roads around the safe zone...

[zombiekilling101]

haha. I remember back in the day we all agreed to right ATZ on our clothes:)

[zmbvan]

sounds good..but i was thinking more of a dead ceter in the USA....like in the kansas area...

It is very debatable whether Nebraska or Kansas is the center of the US. Really they are quite close in distance.

We could all meet up at Disneyworld. :lol:

[fester_hicks]

COME TO KANSAS.

There are plenty of smaller towns with Wal-Marts.

Sad thing is, Im in the Kansas City, KS metro so Im praying for advanced notice.

Once I collect up my kids and acouple friends up here, I'm headed back to Ellsworth and my grain elevator fortress mentioned in another post of mine.

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah i was looking at kansas on google earth...it looks really good...so i guess we all meet up at kansas? what city/town?

[skullwarrior]

if we do get a fallout area in usa someone from florida pick me up rofl. but yea a fallout point is a good idea. have people go there then have mods become irl bosses persay lol.:):lol:

[AN OLD SHOE]

see thats the problem...alot of people would want to be leaders...so if everyone just did there own thing and was in charge of a small group...then that would work

we would just all have to work together and help eachother out...

and skullwarrior....meet me and stonyman in jacksonville...since i have never heard of your town

we will group up in jacksonville,get supplies, then head for the ATZ base in kansas

[Zombreach]

Anyone ever hear of Mackinaw Island? It is a small island between the lower and upper pennisula of Michigan. It can only be reached by boat or air and there are no cars allowed. There is a very small population of people living there year round (although the summer months are crowded) and there is a great fort--very defensible--on it. The fort has high rock walls and on one side the walk up to it is very steep. It would hold a lot of people and would be easy to defend. The main town has a lot of shops and restaurants, so there is a decent supply of food and clothing. There are plenty of horses for getting around and later as a food supplement.

The only drawback is the waterway freezes in the winter and the zombies may be able to walk across the ice to the island. (I have done this--sooo awesome!) Although their combined weight may break the ice and the zombies will sink to the bottom of the Straits of Mackinaw. (The Straits connect Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.) Of course with global warming, the water may not freeze like it has in the past!?

[AN OLD SHOE]

well you have to think...the more restricted and isolated we are from them is the more isolation we are from cities...and food..and supplies...

thats why i saw we hold up in a decent sized city....a city that has cars to be used as barracades...and has every kinda store we need...and is close enough to another town to scavenge over there too...

its just gonna be hard with the power struggle among us..becuase i know i would want to lead...how would we deal with that? just lead small groups of 3 or so?

[Zombreach]

well you have to think...the more restricted and isolated we are from them is the more isolation we are from cities...and food..and supplies...

thats why i saw we hold up in a decent sized city....a city that has cars to be used as barracades...and has every kinda store we need...and is close enough to another town to scavenge over there too...

its just gonna be hard with the power struggle among us..becuase i know i would want to lead...how would we deal with that? just lead small groups of 3 or so?


Mackinaw Island is in a major tourist area...only a boat ride away (15 min.) The closest town, Mackinaw City, is not big by any means, but loaded with restaurants, hotels and shops. I think supplies would not be a problem. And you wouldn't need cars for a blockade because the fort on the island has very tall rock walls. There are only 2 entrances and one of them requires you to walk up a very steep hill. Mackinaw City also has a large fort that could be used for defense.

As for being the leader, I will let you guys fight that one out. I am not the leader-type. More of a second-in-command type. I like to have some control, but don't want others peoples lives to be lost due to a wrong decision I have made.

[Behemoth]

Mackinaw island is a good choice, decent size city sounds like a bad idea, lots of zombies, looters, pests, rouge soldiers, if you hole up, you better make sure you are with the right people, once hunger bites certain types they will do crazy things ( the movies get it right in this aspect ). in 28 weeks later i belive they were on an island, you would need a good escape plan just in case.

[DarthJoe8]

The only drawback is the waterway freezes in the winter and the zombies may be able to walk across the ice to the island. (I have done this--sooo awesome!) Although their combined weight may break the ice and the zombies will sink to the bottom of the Straits of Mackinaw. (The Straits connect Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.) Of course with global warming, the water may not freeze like it has in the past!?

Giving that Zeds don't have a circulatory system they should just freeze in cold climates.:drinking:

What if they swim? Or sink and walk over.:scare:

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah....we will just have a big perimeter on the island just in case they come over...lol

idk big cities would just be fun....you might find people and help them...more survivors is good...there are more places to go and get supplies and bigger buildings as a safe house...well more options on safe houses...

so what if there is more zombies...id be ok with it..the millitary on the other hand...i wouldnt want them near me...

if the zombies ran...i would go to the island you talk about...

[DarthJoe8]

Maybe we should have multiple locations to meet. A location in the NE, SE etc. Then when every gathers in small groups set up a central meeting point for all the groups. It might be safer than trying to go it alone.:think:

[AN OLD SHOE]

i agree...

have one safe spot in pennsilvania and another in georgia...both are pretty isloated i guess..for being on the east...

[Webber]

I'm enlisting into the Marine Corps soon, so if (when) an outbreak occurs, if the government goes to crap and I'm still alive, I'll try to make my way to where ever you guys decide on.

[vortec1]

Just run hard north to the cold weather and the ZED'S will be frozen up and then we form teams and finish them off with bats and machettes saving the ammo for warm weather battles. USMC!

[fester_hicks]

Well, take a radio with you to your various outposts.

I'll be holed up in the middle of Kansas, looking for small groups of survivors, as to not fill up my compounds, any in the vicinity are welcome to come on over to the OTHER SIDE, lol.

[skullwarrior]

see thats the problem...alot of people would want to be leaders...so if everyone just did there own thing and was in charge of a small group...then that would work

we would just all have to work together and help eachother out...

and skullwarrior....meet me and stonyman in jacksonville...since i have never heard of your town

we will group up in jacksonville,get supplies, then head for the ATZ base in kansas

im like 5 miles from tampa right on the small island right next to the gulf of mexico.:x:roll::lol:

[UNDEAD FRED]

If we all go to an ATZ base we should go by our zombie rank as far as leadership goes:lol:

[Kemper]

I think we cold find any rural area and make it safe against most attacks.

[Behemoth]

I think we cold find any rural area and make it safe against most attacks.

who by? i have thought this over in my head so many times, the first month of the zombie outbreak you would have to guard against rouge elements of society to such an extent that the zombies ( slow movers ) would be just an inconvenient side issue. so making a rural area safe would be quite a feat.

[vortec1]

Well, take a radio with you to your various outposts.

I'll be holed up in the middle of Kansas, looking for small groups of survivors, as to not fill up my compounds, any in the vicinity are welcome to come on over to the OTHER SIDE, lol.

We can and will form teams no prob!:lol: survive with the group.

[AN OLD SHOE]

If we all go to an ATZ base we should go by our zombie rank as far as leadership goes:lol:


haha no fair...i wanna be a leader...like i said before there is a high chance of power struggle...it sucks but it will prolly be that way...people who led groups to the base will be stripped of there leadership and that would suck...:cry:

[Kemper]

who by? i have thought this over in my head so many times, the first month of the zombie outbreak you would have to guard against rouge elements of society to such an extent that the zombies ( slow movers ) would be just an inconvenient side issue. so making a rural area safe would be quite a feat.

There are several farms where I live and where most people live, really notfar from society...that no on would show up at. As far as defending it against the undead you need to build your fences outward at a 60 degree angle to keep climbers off. (It makes it easier for you to get out as well as keeping others from getting in) in front of those fences you build ditches 6 feet deep around your perimeter. Behind it you build stakes...so by remote chance they climb over...wham they are stuck and can be disposed of rather quickly. Not that I have thought about it or anything.

[Behemoth]

There are several farms where I live and where most people live, really notfar from society...that no on would show up at. As far as defending it against the undead you need to build your fences outward at a 60 degree angle to keep climbers off. (It makes it easier for you to get out as well as keeping others from getting in) in front of those fences you build ditches 6 feet deep around your perimeter. Behind it you build stakes...so by remote chance they climb over...wham they are stuck and can be disposed of rather quickly. Not that I have thought about it or anything.

Well your fences may well protect against zombies, however if you put up fences you would give away your base location ( spotter planes or spy drones/satellite ) the idea of a rally point or base should not be common knowledge or the base would be overrun by all types.
That may not be a bad thing as group members may chose to form splinter groups & follow their own given choices, which might bring the rally point back to manageable levels.

[AN OLD SHOE]

i know we have been talking about buildings in cities to take over...but why not have a whole city?

oak island

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=33.917794,-78.120689&spn=0.031838,0.05785&t=h&z=14


it has 1 bridge to the island and thats the only way on the island besides a boat

it is only houses and on one end it has mansions

it has narrow streets and a narrow bridge(easily blockable)


EDIT:

i also found this island it also has one bridge for entry


http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=34.697026,-76.546898&spn=0.063087,0.1157&t=h&z=13

it has endless possabilities...

so what if there are people on the island or some zeds...the island is pretty big and we can take over the far right corner where the mansions are at...one road leads to it and we can block it off....

let me know what you guys think

[Behemoth]

so what if there are people on the island
Well i can think of one small reason, they may not want you on their island & might just have a rather warm welcome for you, similar to the welcome the Germans gave the US in 1944 on a beach in France.

[AN OLD SHOE]

haha well if you put it that way...then i guess maybe no? lol

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

There really needs to be several ATZ safe houses all over the country. It would be really hard for say the Floridians to get all the way to Michigan. Hell, I live in southern Indiana and it would probably be a challenge for me to get to Michigan.


Honestly, I think the eastern and middle parts of the country are the very last place we want to be. If you have ever looked at the satellite pictures with the population lights on them (i don't know what they're called, but there's a cool one on the PS3) all the people are on the very western part and middle to east part of the country. There's like 5 people in Montana. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm headed NW come Zday.



I'll wear a shirt with ATZ on it too, that way if I run into any of you guys we can travel together.


Let's face it, the ATZ people are the ones that are going to last the longest.:)



OH!!! I almost forgot! Do we have any ATZ pilots out there?!?! Someone who could fly a plane would be super valuable to have on each of the bases.

[AN OLD SHOE]

i have taken some helicopter lessons and know how to fly one of those faily well....the landing is the hardest part lol

planes i can fly...once they are turned on

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Well if we came across an airport could you pick a plane out, check it, and get it in the air and back down safely? Could you be like what's his name from Day by Day Armageddon and actually fly the plane efficiently and safely?


But I guess when the time comes it won't really matter as long as you can get the thing in the air. As long as there's a parachute, I'll ride with you.

[Darkness]

"I'm not a pilot, but I totally agree. (As those who go to the 'survivor hotel' well know. ;-) ) At times the air will be the safest place." :)

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah i can fly it and land it and everything...i will just have to mess with it to turn it on but that would only be the first time i turn it on...

helicopters are way harder to fly in my opinion..and i can fly those decently

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

I would be doing a little research then if I were you. I'm not trying to get trapped in a plane surrounded by 50 zed heads while you push buttons trying to find out which one is the "on switch." :scare:

Plus I'm pretty sure running over or chopping up zombies with the propellers wouldn't be a very good or safe idea.


I can't complain though, a little knowledge in the field is way better than none at all.

What I would give to be able to fly anything!:cry:

[Behemoth]

i have taken some helicopter lessons and know how to fly one of those faily well....the landing is the hardest part lol
What models? Jet or piston? How many hours night goggles? Just asking out of interest:)
Plus I'm pretty sure running over or chopping up zombies with the propellers would be a very good or safe idea.
Wrong! Impact damage from a seagull can see you spiralling to earth with a bang. Chopping zombie heads ( 28 weeks later ) should only be attemted when flying an aircraft with hardened blades ( rotors ) most mil spec' have these to deflect bullets.

[AN OLD SHOE]

What models? Jet or piston? How many hours night goggles? Just asking out of interest:)

it was a UH-60 which is a millitary helicopter...i have never flown in the night(i guess that is what night goggles means) but how hard could it be?:)

the UH-60 is what i went through training and stuff to fly...but hopefully i can fly any kinda chopper when needed

[Darkness]

"I hear flying is easy, it's landing that's a pain in the a$$." :scare: :lol:

[AN OLD SHOE]

"I hear flying is easy, it's landing that's a pain in the a$$." :scare: :lol:


i agree with you completely...i hate having to land both choppers and planes...planes are easier but still its a pain in the a-hole:-(

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Wrong! Impact damage from a seagull can see you spiralling to earth with a bang. Chopping zombie heads ( 28 weeks later ) should only be attemted when flying an aircraft with hardened blades ( rotors ) most mil spec' have these to deflect bullets.

I meant "wouldn't" sorry for the typo, and confusion.

Aren't there like checklists that tell you what you need to know with each plane? I could be completely wrong but I just thought they had something like that.

Old Shoe, you never said how many hours you put in. Just curious, but how many?

[AN OLD SHOE]

not many hours...after all im not gonna be a pilot for a few years anyways...

my dad pulled some strings and i spent 2 hours every day for 5 days in the simulator where they gave me hell scenarios and stuff and after i did that for 5 days and they said i did good they let me be co-pilot in a actual helicopter

hey i guess its not much but its more than most people...but i am comfortable flying a helicopter

and i went to a 2 week program where we studied and flew planes in simulators and at the end we got to actually take off circle around and land a real plane

[Behemoth]

it was a UH-60 which is a millitary helicopter...i have never flown in the night(i guess that is what night goggles means) but how hard could it be?
Bah, lightweight, you wanna try a 30 year old( would be older now ) UH-1, those were the days:)
Well anyway Blackhawks or any other military aircraft would not be a good choice, fuel economy, service intervals, over complicated equipment are some reasons. I feel after the first two weeks of a zombie outbreak ( world wide ) aircraft would be a rare sight due to the reasons mentioned.
Aren't there like checklists that tell you what you need to know with each plane? I could be completely wrong but I just thought they had something like that
Yes there are, cert' of air worthiness should also be present if "borrowing" aircraft. Checklists are no good if you don't know what the equipment they are refering does, it might aswell be written in Greek.

[Dagnammit]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)

Everyone would be trying to act out their own zombie fantasies and everyone would want to be the boss. The guys would all be strutting around posing with automatics and balaclavas, trying to out-macho all the other guys, and there would inevitably be in-fighting as a result and you'd kill each other with your stockpiles of guns before the first day was out. :lol:

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)

Everyone would be trying to act out their own zombie fantasies and everyone would want to be the boss. The guys would all be strutting around posing with automatics and balaclavas, trying to out-macho all the other guys, and there would inevitably be in-fighting as a result and you'd kill each other with your stockpiles of guns before the first day was out. :lol:

that's so not true! We would kill each other by getting in a plane with old shoe:) just kidding man I'm sure you're great.

I just think you underestimate what a group of ATZ members would be capable of in an outbreak. Civilians would be begging for us to let them join our groups.:drinking:

[DarthJoe8]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)

Everyone would be trying to act out their own zombie fantasies and everyone would want to be the boss. The guys would all be strutting around posing with automatics and balaclavas, trying to out-macho all the other guys, and there would inevitably be in-fighting as a result and you'd kill each other with your stockpiles of guns before the first day was out. :lol:

I vote for detpat. :guns:He could be the boss.

And he's got a lot of cool toys.:drinking:

[UNDEAD FRED]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)

Everyone would be trying to act out their own zombie fantasies and everyone would want to be the boss. The guys would all be strutting around posing with automatics and balaclavas, trying to out-macho all the other guys, and there would inevitably be in-fighting as a result and you'd kill each other with your stockpiles of guns before the first day was out. :lol:


I would be like Cpt Rhodes, I will be running the monkey farm.:lol:

[Bad Zombie Night]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)


Dag, you mean we would have a shelter full of Harry Coopers? :lol:

[Dagnammit]

Dag, you mean we would have a shelter full of Harry Coopers? :lol:

Yeah, or more accurately, a shelter full of Harry Coopers, Captain Rhodeses (sp?), Bens, Woolies, Jasons and Cholos. Imagine that! :lol:

[Bad Zombie Night]

Yeah, or more accurately, a shelter full of Harry Coopers, Captain Rhodeses (sp?), Bens, Woolies, Jasons and Cholos. Imagine that! :lol:
OoooH!!! Can I be Ash? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/Evil_Dead_Ash_Animation_6.gif

Pretty please?! :pray:

[AN OLD SHOE]

we would be the most valuable people in the zed world...people would pay us and stuff to help them..we would be like mercs

[Zombreach]

You would be the Mad Maxes in a post zombified world. Very awesome!

[fester_hicks]

Anyone comes to Kansas, look up Ellsworth, its off I-70, in central KS.

I'll be the one sighting in on your head should you fail to see and recognize posted ATZ related warning signs.

[Shadowalker191]

Anyone ever hear of Mackinaw Island? It is a small island between the lower and upper pennisula of Michigan. It can only be reached by boat or air and there are no cars allowed. There is a very small population of people living there year round (although the summer months are crowded) and there is a great fort--very defensible--on it. The fort has high rock walls and on one side the walk up to it is very steep. It would hold a lot of people and would be easy to defend. The main town has a lot of shops and restaurants, so there is a decent supply of food and clothing. There are plenty of horses for getting around and later as a food supplement.

The only drawback is the waterway freezes in the winter and the zombies may be able to walk across the ice to the island. (I have done this--sooo awesome!) Although their combined weight may break the ice and the zombies will sink to the bottom of the Straits of Mackinaw. (The Straits connect Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.) Of course with global warming, the water may not freeze like it has in the past!?

For those of us In around Around Michigan, Mackinaw Island is great, not to mention Bois Blanc island is large enough for farming.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Mackinac+Island,+MI&jsv=107&ie=UTF8&ll=45.847456,-84.618759&spn=0.136075,0.276375&t=h&z=12&iwloc=addr

[vortec1]

UH1/with 7.62 plus pods would be more than Zeds could handle/clear out the streets.

[Faran Brigo]

I vote for detpat. :guns:He could be the boss.

And he's got a lot of cool toys.:drinking:

I second that. I'm not much of a leader or a macho, honestly I'd be happy just trailing along for the ride and pitching in whenever I could help, don't really mind following orders unless it's suicidal batshit insane ideas.

Of everyone around here, he's the one that's got military experience, so I wouldn't mind detpat as CO.

Although who am I kidding, I'm probably staying where I am. I'm in a desert, there's a few small towns and a grand total of 3 cities in my state, the rest is desert, farming land, mountains to the east and ocean to the west. To the north the U.S. border and to the south more uninhabited wasteland for the most part. Mostly though, I'm way out of reach of whatever radioactive fallout might result from failing nuclear plants and I don't want to think about the nightmare that would be crossing El paso, Tucson or Tijuana which will probably be thick with zombies.

[Dark Comic]

You guys would all kill each other if you got together in an outbreak. :)

Everyone would be trying to act out their own zombie fantasies and everyone would want to be the boss. The guys would all be strutting around posing with automatics and balaclavas, trying to out-macho all the other guys, and there would inevitably be in-fighting as a result and you'd kill each other with your stockpiles of guns before the first day was out. :lol:

Count me out for leadership and infighting. I do heavy lifting, cooking and other grunt work. So the defenders can keep on fighting to their hearts content, without having to worry about the "unimportant" things like fortification.

[skullwarrior]

*intro for merc comercial plays* hello there got zombies in your city? of course you do. call the ATZ merc community at 555-5555 and get a quote for free today.*outro plays*

funny yes?:loon::roll:

[fester_hicks]

is it me or did my original subject go astray..

[fester_hicks]

Saw this on another board and thought it was a good idea.

Who would care to set up trade routes ahead of Z-Day? Might save in the long-run.

Just a thought.

[Lian]

Trade routes while a good idea in general might be a bit tricky to establish in a zombie infested world. You got to figure your going to have to find the perfect balance between trade goods and guards and ammo to get through zombie infested territory not counting any miscellaneous raiders that set them selves up on the side of your routes waiting for you. Complicated by the fact that you might note have petroleum based transport to rely upon for too long, which means horses, mules and what not, and your going to have to reblaze trails and what not across the countryside.

Ultimately I think the easiest way to establish trade routes would be to somehow get above or below ground, and given the near impossible task of setting up an entirely underground network of tunnels across the country post apocalyptic that pretty much means air travel, and as for a reliable form of air travel that can get cross country on relatively little means...I'd say a blimp. Though as with any real trade your benefits from it are going to have to outweigh your costs.

[RogueAI]

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I would ignore traditional defense all together and rely on speed. Get a couple of horses, fill the saddle bags and give the riders backpacks of supplies. Obviously food and such wouldn't be of enough value for the tight light loads, but perhaps maps, electronics, and other light weight valuables would be worth it. However, they should be fast enough to avoid zombies all together, and I think the horses would be strong enough to break the grip of the undead.

Underground *could* work, it would just take a long time to establish a route between two relatively close fortresses. Perhaps inside of a city you could use subway tunnels and raised trolley tracks to expedite the process. That is probably the best plan all together. I love the idea of sky-scraper fortresses in New York.

I wonder about mechanical transport. Pack robots of sorts. The army's robots are getting pretty sophisticated. If you could supply power (solar, preferably, the squeaking of windmills might draw zombies) and a computer science geek I'm sure you could get some abandoned drones working.

[Lian]

Well the point with defenses isn't so much zombies you have to worry about, well in a way it is. If your primary mode of transport is horses you'll have to stop and rest sometime.

I was more thinking about bandits shall we say. Trade caravans were historically well armed because if you have something there is another man with nothing that will gladly steal it from you, and there in lies the problem that weapons have got bigger, heavier and more effective, and while for a time it was alright to have a few guys with spears, bows, and swords defending your caravan these relatively lightweight means have been replaced with AK-47's and 30 pounds of ammo, and god knows where I'm gonna mount a 50 cal machine gun on a horse...

[RogueAI]

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Good point. Back routes would need to be used, and you'd need to switch your route up frequently. Still, bandits (if they could survive in such a world for any length of time outside of a fortress) would probably catch quiet a few of yer fellas. If you used an old fashion stage coach you'd have more forward-facing surface for the zombies to smash their inertia*mass into making them more effective at road blocking.

Airships can hold a ton, and if your not talking about living in one you could bring a crew allowing for fairly large size. If you have the room, maybe that method you suggested in another thread, may indeed be the way to go in this instance.

[Basement Man]

Since I read a few pages on this thread I feel like I can give a few ideas. Maybe instead of having just one central headquarters we should have multiple headquarters, maybe even a couple a state. And instead of fully relying on trade routes (there will be a need for trade routes) there should be a designated group of armed people to go to the surrounding cities to help clear out the zeds and just scavenge everything they can. That will put a lot more supplies out there in circulation and probably encourage those trade routes a little more.

Secondly, I think this would work best as a feudalism. If you think about it it would probably be the best. All of the city-states would be stable and be able to be independent. The fief would be whatever the HQ was, and there would be many of them. There would be designated people for upkeeping the city/farming. And the people who didn't do that would be sent out to keep the wandering zed off of the surrounding land and every once in a while the lord would send these warriors to the main HQ to help man the resistance.

Good? Bad?

[jagus12]

Since I read a few pages on this thread I feel like I can give a few ideas. Maybe instead of having just one central headquarters we should have multiple headquarters, maybe even a couple a state. And instead of fully relying on trade routes (there will be a need for trade routes) there should be a designated group of armed people to go to the surrounding cities to help clear out the zeds and just scavenge everything they can. That will put a lot more supplies out there in circulation and probably encourage those trade routes a little more.

Secondly, I think this would work best as a feudalism. If you think about it it would probably be the best. All of the city-states would be stable and be able to be independent. The fief would be whatever the HQ was, and there would be many of them. There would be designated people for upkeeping the city/farming. And the people who didn't do that would be sent out to keep the wandering zed off of the surrounding land and every once in a while the lord would send these warriors to the main HQ to help man the resistance.

Good? Bad?

Good idea!
Anyway, there arent lots of points to hide here at Argentina...
So I guess that when the Z-Day comes, Ill have to do a looooooong trip to United States :cry:

[mattifikation]

So.. is it too late to apply for comic relief in the ATZ zombie survival group? I realize it means I'll die for sure, but I'll definitely make it further than whoever gets hired on as the "hot teenage girl whose white tank top is always wet for some reason."

[Commander Ambrose]

Whomever gets this far in the thread listen-

North America-We all should go to Boston, Massachusetts!! I live there and there are hundreds of warehouses for storage and such where i live and there is an armory nearby that is on constant watch cause of criminals! Also there is an airport nearby that is close to a fortress! And the schools are built to defend against riotsa that have up to 700 people! And that's without police helping!If not, Boston should be the Main HQ while there r other ones too.

South America-Everyone in South America should come to North America

Europe-Go to Russia-Set up an HQ in Moscow! Great Place!(I have to gret more Deatils On It)

Africa-Go to Russia

Asia-EVERYONE GO TO MOSCOW

Austrailia-Go to the middle of the island

Antartica-Stay There until rescue comes

Also-the Password for to get into ATZ buildings should be "Last Resort"

Hey Y r we waiting???We should start settinbg up for the outbreak now!!

Us-:machgun2::zom2::zom2::zom2:them

[jagus12]

Antartica-Stay There until rescue comes


Wait, there are ATZ members in Antartica?
Also, I like the idea of Boston, looks like a safe place...

[Commander Ambrose]

Wait, there are ATZ members in Antartica?
Also, I like the idea of Boston, looks like a safe place...
Yay i lived there for about four years then left for four years and now I'm back

[Cenobite]

Somewhere in the Mid West US. Arizona, Utah or Nevada. I dont like the cold when winter hits.

[Jimmy]

Lets all go to Ft Pastor

Everyone at Ft. pastor is Dead.


































Well, Deadish. LOL


























I'd say our best bet would be if everyone meets somewhere that isn't very populated. Mall of America is in the middle of a major city and would probably be a VERY popular place people would think about gathering in the event of an Outbreak. I was thinking some place on the outskirts of a big city, that way we could gather find shelter and if need be go in the city in small Defense/rescue squads to get supplies/look for survivors. >_>

[Godzilla_Rules]

a super walmart is a good place or target, you have everything you need to survive

[Commander Ambrose]

Again, this is the plan-

Whomever gets this far in the thread listen-

North America-We all should go to Boston, Massachusetts!! I live there and there are hundreds of warehouses for storage and such where i live and there is an armory nearby that is on constant watch cause of criminals! Also there is an airport nearby that is close to a fortress! And the schools are built to defend against riotsa that have up to 700 people! And that's without police helping!If not, Boston should be the Main HQ while there r other ones too.

South America-Everyone in South America should come to North America

Europe-Go to Russia-Set up an HQ in Moscow! Great Place!(I have to gret more Deatils On It)

Africa-Go to Russia

Asia-EVERYONE GO TO MOSCOW

Austrailia-Go to the middle of the island

Antartica-Stay There until rescue comes

Also-the Password for to get into ATZ buildings should be "Last Resort"

Hey Y r we waiting???We should start settinbg up for the outbreak now!!

Us-:machgun2::zom2::zom2::zom2:them

[Darkness]

"I'm just gonna head to the coldest place I can find, and who ever can survive finding me can stay."

[skullwarrior]

Lets all go to florida!! zeds would be too afraid to come:drool::drool: Everyone knows florida is gods waiting room per sey:evil::loon:

[abumbegada]

I think the best place would be Alcatraz Island this island is away from the mainland with no bridges you can only reach it by boat witch zombies are to stupid to use. It is a big building with defense towers get some food over there and your golden.

[mattifikation]

HLS - Walmart and places like that are the worst place you could go. Read around a bit, you'll find that opinion is pretty much unanimous amongst the people who have really talked it over.

Commander Ambrose - Boston? Moscow? Are you kidding me? Stay out of the city!!! ALWAYS stay out of the city!!!!

[Jimmy]

I like the way you think...

[Commander Ambrose]

HLS - Walmart and places like that are the worst place you could go. Read around a bit, you'll find that opinion is pretty much unanimous amongst the people who have really talked it over.

Commander Ambrose - Boston? Moscow? Are you kidding me? Stay out of the city!!! ALWAYS stay out of the city!!!!

Trust me dude, its great. I been to Moscow and it's a tight city with huge police(old army) and a kick-butt army to boot. If the USA goes out, then Russia is probably gonna be best cause they still amped up from the cold war not so long ago. Plus, i know my way around Boston, and has awsome police and has 2-3 armories inside the city. Almost all the structures are good against roits and are near easily defensible structures(warehouses and stores). Sure, just cause Police and army will be fighting for control with zombies, think about it, you have guns, you have ammo, you have people, you can serve your country yet still be a citizen to boot! Perfect plan btw.

[DemonChild]

I'm picking up where that other guy left off. In the long run, it wouldn't matter if you laid the ground plan for the city yourself, cities are going to be death traps. You will die if you go into a large metropolitan area like boston, or anywhere like that. If you stick to rural areas, or smaller suburban areas, you'd probably be fine. But survey says cities are bad.

[kolchakTNS]

I totally agree with MattifiKation & DemonChild,large cities,Wal-marts etc etc are defo a no-no.I would also imagine that very cold barren places/sites with freezing temps all year round would also be at a disadvantage ie if food stocks run out,what then? If fuel reserves that keeps its inhabitants warm run out,what then? How long will the undead be around? Yes,the freezing conditions would favour against the zed-hordes but your own survival would be compromised by other factors within. I could only envisage an island of 'reasonable' size as being the only safe haven,provided it has been colonised prior the Z-outbreak and with that, much less zeds to deal with/dispose of if its previous settlers have turned.It must also have a sufficient fresh-water supply ie river.Food can be fished for and the isle would be easily defendable.

[Dave Of The Dead]

The disadvantage of an island is: Zombies can float or walk under water, pending if they are bloated or not. It will take some time but sooner or later, hordes of zombies will wash up or stumble up onto the beach. Unless you find yourself someplace with lots of cliffs, an island will be a floating platter for you to sit on and wait to be eaten.

[kolchakTNS]

I see your point there DaveOTD but presuming that zombies are attracted to noise and activity then the possibility of detection on a remote island remains zero.Cliffs on the other hand wouldn't be a good safeguard as you'll encounter the problems of the eventual short supply of food imo.What happens when you run out?You'll then have to take risks and venture out in the open for food/supplies.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I see your point there DaveOTD but presuming that zombies are attracted to noise and activity then the possibility of detection on a remote island remains zero.Cliffs on the other hand wouldn't be a good safeguard as you'll encounter the problems of the eventual short supply of food imo.What happens when you run out?You'll then have to take risks and venture out in the open for food/supplies.

I think that problem pertains to every safe haven.

[bandits1]

If there were that many zombies floating around in our oceans I'd be more worried about the sealife that would take bites out of them. We'd have to worry about zombie-fied fish and, eventually, the ocean could no longer be used as a resource for food.



I swear - if those damned zombies prevent me from having fresh sashimi ever again...http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/2776/iconmadau7.gif

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think its pretty much instinct for all living creatures to stay away from zombies...

[bandits1]

I don't know about that. Fish are pretty dumb and are driven by the same instinct that zombies are: the instinct to feed. And I've seen the kinds of inedible stuff they pull out of sharks' stomachs.

Throw a live zombie into a tank full of hungry piranha...$10 says they'll eat it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't know about that. Fish are pretty dumb and are driven by the same instinct that zombies are: the instinct to feed. And I've seen the kinds of inedible stuff they pull out of sharks' stomachs.

Throw a live zombie into a tank full of hungry piranha...$10 says they'll eat it.

$20 says they die after it... for good.

[bandits1]

You think so? Why would they die? What would happen to a human if we ate a zombie? Would we die or become infected?

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have a feeling we would die too.
I mean, the most common way I see people become zombies in films and books and everything else is through the blood stream. If we tried to digest zombie flesh, I think it would just be toxic. We would die, but I don't think we would come back as a zed.

[bandits1]

But eating the zombies' flesh would allow whatever it was that turned them into a zombie to infect your bloodstream. Why would it matter how you died?

Why would whether or not you reanimate depend on if you were gnawed to death or if you died because you ate something toxic? Dead is dead, as far as I see it, and if you happen to be dead and infected...well you're not going to be "dead" for very long.

[Darkness]

"Ummm.... What the heck does cannibalizing zombies have to do with Rally Points?" :roll:

[bandits1]

"Ummm.... What the heck does cannibalizing zombies have to do with Rally Points?" :roll:
Someone mentioned the use of a semi-secluded island as a rally point. Dave Of The Dead and I were discussing the possible drawbacks of that idea...

...his was the possibility of live zombies eventually washing up on shore of that island. Mines was the possibility of those same floating zombies infecting ocean life that took a nibble on them en route to that island, thus eliminating the ocean as a food source.


...proceed with discussion.

[Dave Of The Dead]

"Ummm.... What the heck does cannibalizing zombies have to do with Rally Points?" :roll:

Sorry :doh:

[Darkness]

Someone mentioned the use of a semi-secluded island as a rally point. Dave Of The Dead and I were discussing the possible drawbacks of that idea...

...his was the possibility of live zombies eventually washing up on shore of that island. Mines was the possibility of those same floating zombies infecting ocean life that took a nibble on them en route to that island, thus eliminating the ocean as a food source.


...proceed with discussion.

"Thank you. I appreciate the clarification." :)

[kolchakTNS]

Thank you Darkness for your advice concerning some other issue you've pointed out to me too ;-)

[Jimmy]

Somewhere in the Midwest would be the best gathering place in my opinion.

[JakAttak]

If you live in the mid west transportation would be a big problem for some of us especially when the feds start rounding people up a putting them in "safe zones" the closest one to me would be Atlanta and GA's roads would be clogged.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you live in the mid west transportation would be a big problem for some of us especially when the feds start rounding people up a putting them in "safe zones" the closest one to me would be Atlanta and GA's roads would be clogged.

Well they can't really hunt you down and force you to go to a safe zone. Make sure you have a reliable care and a reliable driver and floor it.

[JakAttak]

roads will probably be clogged up

[Dave Of The Dead]

roads will probably be clogged up

There is always a back road to everywhere and in the US, there are plenty of them. Only the 2 completely obvious roads like highways and interstates will probably be a mess. I've driven all over this country and not once did I take the same rout twice. Its a rule of mine.

[Faran Brigo]

Trust me dude, its great. I been to Moscow and it's a tight city with huge police(old army) and a kick-butt army to boot. If the USA goes out, then Russia is probably gonna be best cause they still amped up from the cold war not so long ago. Plus, i know my way around Boston, and has awsome police and has 2-3 armories inside the city. Almost all the structures are good against roits and are near easily defensible structures(warehouses and stores). Sure, just cause Police and army will be fighting for control with zombies, think about it, you have guns, you have ammo, you have people, you can serve your country yet still be a citizen to boot! Perfect plan btw.

Both Boston (and most of the east coast) and Moscow are in range of radioactive fallout if something goes wrong at the nearby reactors. Northwestern U.S. and transural Siberia are safer and less populated too, both of them have military bases scattered.

[JakAttak]

and knowing Russia they will probably seal their borders tight.

[Faran Brigo]

Russia doesn't have enough people to seal their borders. Hell, China might not have enough people to seal Russia's borders.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, Russia has a lot of borders. In a post-zombie world though, I think their winters and the vast expanse of nothingness would secure much of their territory.

I'm not sure I'd want to go to a foreign land though. I wouldn't know what plants are edible, what wildlife is dangerous, the terrain, the climate, or the language.

With my luck, I'd end up mistaking the Russian translation for, "I can take you to food, ammo, and a vaccine for the zombie virus!" as random zombie moaning and shoot the guy.

[cowboy99]

hey u know why doesnt every1 in the states just have there own ATZ HQ like 1 in texas,1 in florida and so on it would make things a lot more easyer transportation wise i think and if there are a lot more ATZ members all over the world than i think we could all even start a shelter in each town what do u all think though?

[UNDEAD FRED]

Disneyland, its a huge area, but there are major fences to keep the none paying living out. Believe me its next to impossible to break into that place. no telling what type of Disney/Military weapons are on site.

[bandits1]

^^^Plus, you could hole-up in the "California Adventures" part of the park. That part sucks and is a complete rip-off. No zombie in his or her right mind would pay the exorbitant admission price just for some free food. No way.

[JakAttak]

yeah the weapons would be top-notch. You'd be lucky for a rent a cop with a 9 mil. If he hasn't wasted the ammo shooting at Z's

[ghdeh1]

I'm going to the near by home depot because of timber for doors, outdoor section for growing food, make the out door displays mazes, and just use red paint to say "SAFE POINT HERE" or something, there are also several things you can sharpen for daggers or cross bows...staple guns, metal for armor :x:)

[breakoff]

Just an idea, establish an 8 digit grid coordinate somewhere in the ocean. At this location could be a small yatch, from there the survivors collected would be transported to a larger Coast Guard ship(small city). You would have plenty of fuel to run smaller boats to land for food and supplies and large guns for pirates. Fishing would help supply food and you could become very mobile with changing climates. Most ships also have a helo pad and with a skilled pilot and crew they could land on top of hospitals and large stores for supplies. Setting this location up near a large port ensures plenty of fuel.

If Zday ever actually happens Ill be sailing far off the coast of Florida with a very tight group of close friends/family, there will be no single leader and decissions will be made by everyone.

[breakoff]

Some where near Pensacola Fl. looks to be a great location, plenty of ships, aircraft and fuel. Still somewhat central and right near the mouth of the Mississippi, survivors could just head for the Mississippi river and take it south.

[jim96sc2]

Just an idea, establish an 8 digit grid coordinate somewhere in the ocean. At this location could be a small yatch, from there the survivors collected would be transported to a larger Coast Guard ship(small city). You would have plenty of fuel to run smaller boats to land for food and supplies and large guns for pirates. Fishing would help supply food and you could become very mobile with changing climates. Most ships also have a helo pad and with a skilled pilot and crew they could land on top of hospitals and large stores for supplies. Setting this location up near a large port ensures plenty of fuel.

If Zday ever actually happens Ill be sailing far off the coast of Florida with a very tight group of close friends/family, there will be no single leader and decissions will be made by everyone.

No offense, but going on a boat is tantamount to suicide. Your in the middle of a hostile enviroment in which your body is not equipped to survive, in a method of transport which is at the extreme mercy of the weather, and your supplies are completely self-sufficient so once they are done so are you. Boats are good to get from point A to a safer point B, other then that they are just death traps.

[breakoff]

With a small team supplies could be collected from land and transported to the boat. This plan seems to be the best compaired to the alternatives. Holding up in a building will last no more than a week, food will run out. A supermarket is to easy to breach. Heading for the woods would be my second option but its only a matter of time until they find you. I think staying on the water is the safest plan. Large coast guard ships are not easy to sink so it would take one very intense storm.

[Dave Of The Dead]

What about water? I hope you have some sort of portable desalination unit.

[Slash Maraud]

What about water? I hope you have some sort of portable desalination unit.

Latest issue of Major Surplus and Survival had a military desalination pump with some accessories like 5 gallon water containers. Man/pack portable so that problem can be covered.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well then, there you go. What about scurvy? :puke:

[Faran Brigo]

Latest issue of Major Surplus and Survival had a military desalination pump with some accessories like 5 gallon water containers. Man/pack portable so that problem can be covered.

How long do you think the membranes would last?

[Hitman]

How long do you think the membranes would last?

here is a new one for sale
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=415424 .

and I did find some used ones that said that they might need new membranes , but I couldn't find any info on the life of the product.

http://products.katadyn.com/brands-and-products/produkte/Survivor_34/Katadyn_Survivor_35_48.html

[Dave Of The Dead]

Prepare all you want. The problem most will have with this is that it will be much harder to find a desalinization pump after a large scale outbreak occurs.

[SelfDefined]

Well im guessing most of you live in america, but i live in britian, so itd be pretty difficult for me to aqquire a gun. am i right by saying that its quite easy to get a gun in america?

anyways my question is where do you live, like what country. and how easy would it be for you to get your hands on a gun?

if it were me, id be pretty screwed.

[detpat]

i think i own more guns than the UK.

[DarthJoe8]

I own a few guns.:) I live in NY. :drinking:

[Eknytz]

I live in Maryland, USA.
I'm 17 so I can legally buy a gun in 1 year (excluding handguns).
Even my father who is kind of anti 2nd amendment has a gun.

[ashley]

I live in America; Texas, to be exact.

Yeah, it's easy to buy a gun. The whole process takes less than ten minutes. I own a shotgun and will get more guns when money allows - even though I'm quite the sorry shot. :)

[Screwballgunnut]

Another Texan here, and I have enough firepower in my house/garage that the zombies don't stand a chance....... In fact, most of the people I know say that they are meeting at my house for that very reason :evil:

[ghdeh1]

FL right in the middle it'd be easy to get guns but I all ready have 5 guns

[Haji]

If you saw Shooter, you heard the line "Welcome to Tennessee...Patron state of shootin' stuff". That's not true. Kentucky is. Not only is KY a shall issue state for CCDW permits, its also an open carry state, like Arizona is. Additionally, class three stuff-machine guns and suppressors, as well as destructive devices-are legal here.

I would not call buying a gun anywhere in the US "easy", but its a simpler process here than in a lot of states. If I could have three wishes, I'd wish to be rich enough not to have to worry about doing something I want to do, wish two would be to repeal the 1986 restrictions on class 3 weapons, and my third wish...would be to have a few more wishes.:lol:

[Cenobite]

ON, Canada.

Its fairly easy to get a rifle but the restrictions that come with it are brutal. A lot more restrictions than in US.

No handguns.

Plus the permit/licence cost too much.

Besides, you cant enjoy true fire power with simple shotguns and hunting rifles. In US you guys got civilian versions of military rifles, SMGs and handguns from A to Z.

[ashley]

Well, I don't know how easy it is to buy a gun in other states, but like I said, the process here takes less than 10 minutes and requires a short form to fill out on the purchasers part and a quick phone call on the sellers part. :)

Hey Screwball; where in central TX are you exactly?

[Screwballgunnut]

Right outside of waco, just a lil ways east of you.

[Behemoth]

Well im guessing most of you live in america, but i live in britian, so itd be pretty difficult for me to aqquire a gun. am i right by saying that its quite easy to get a gun in america?

anyways my question is where do you live, like what country. and how easy would it be for you to get your hands on a gun?

if it were me, id be pretty screwed.
It is not at all difficult to aquire a gun in britain, just expensive & restrictive. About 3x more than in the us, as for ammo:cry: If you have an interest in guns, do what most of the other gun owners did, LEAVE!

[ashley]

Right outside of waco, just a lil ways east of you.

Right, just a lil. ;) I'm originally from Plano and drove through Waco a few times... Gave me the creeps.

[Screwballgunnut]

drove through Waco a few times... Gave me the creeps.

LOL! Thats funny right there!

Waco was laid out by a bunch of drunks, with their drunk pet monkey, a football covered in ink and a piece of newsprint. The roads make no sense at all :x:loon::x

There is a reason I live "right outside of waco" :lol:

[zombiedad]

I live in VA & already have pistols, rifles & a shotgun FTW!!
(but want more!!)

[Dave Of The Dead]

I live in Indiana. It is almost too easy to get guns here. I just got 2 for my birthday.

[mattifikation]

I live in Pennsylvania. Getting a gun is as simple as going upstairs and choosing between my 9mm and my 12 gauge. I can get a new gun anytime I feel like it.

I know somebody who has a decent-condition m1 garand that they found in the woods. Soo.. yeah, I'm gonna go with "easy."

[Hitman]

If you saw Shooter, you heard the line "Welcome to Tennessee...Patron state of shootin' stuff". That's not true. Kentucky is. Not only is KY a shall issue state for CCDW permits, its also an open carry state, like Arizona is. Additionally, class three stuff-machine guns and suppressors, as well as destructive devices-are legal here.

I would not call buying a gun anywhere in the US "easy", but its a simpler process here than in a lot of states. If I could have three wishes, I'd wish to be rich enough not to have to worry about doing something I want to do, wish two would be to repeal the 1986 restrictions on class 3 weapons, and my third wish...would be to have a few more wishes.:lol:


same laws here in Tn + 1. we do have the law that makes the CLEO sign off on NFA forms

[Trebek]

Texas here, and I just want to second the 10 minute thing.
I can put in a load of laundry, go to the gun store, buy a gun, and have it back at the house and stripped down before I need to put the clothes in the drier.

Oh, and the liquor store is in the same shopping center.

[Zombie_215]

Michigan here.


Rifles and Shotguns
Permit to purchase rifles and shotguns? No

Registration of rifles and shotguns? No

Licensing of owners of rifles and shotguns? No

Permit to carry rifles and shotguns? No


Handguns

Permit to purchase a handgun? Yes (*License to purchase - see below)

Registration of handguns? Yes

Licensing of owners of handguns? No

Permit to carry handguns? Yes. Carrying concealed or openly in a motor vehicle requires a license.

[Dagnammit]

Zombies aside for a moment (because they're not real but other apocalyptic possibilities are), I actually think a country largely without guns would stand a better chance in the event of a catastrophic collapse of society. In somewhere like the States, you'd have a minority of heavily armed people who would dominate everyone else in terms of competing for food and resources whereas in the UK everybody would be on more-or-less an equal footing and more likely to be forced into collaboration with others, which would IMO improve the survival rate.

[mattdettorre123]

Dag, I'm going to have to disagree with you on that. If the public isn't aloud to own fire arms then the average joe wont have any firearms for defense, criminals will still have firearms because they don't give a damn about what the law says, it's been proven. many times look at Australia.

[DarthJoe8]

Zombies aside for a moment (because they're not real but other apocalyptic possibilities are), I actually think a country largely without guns would stand a better chance in the event of a catastrophic collapse of society. In somewhere like the States, you'd have a minority of heavily armed people who would dominate everyone else in terms of competing for food and resources whereas in the UK everybody would be on more-or-less an equal footing and more likely to be forced into collaboration with others, which would IMO improve the survival rate.


What's to protect the people from the government? That's one of the reasons behind the "right to bear arms".

When freedom becomes outlawed only outlaws will be free. :drinking:

[Behemoth]

Zombies aside for a moment (because they're not real but other apocalyptic possibilities are), I actually think a country largely without guns would stand a better chance in the event of a catastrophic collapse of society. In somewhere like the States, you'd have a minority of heavily armed people who would dominate everyone else in terms of competing for food and resources whereas in the UK everybody would be on more-or-less an equal footing and more likely to be forced into collaboration with others, which would IMO improve the survival rate.
Well i don't know what it's like in your part, but here in london virtually the only people who own a handgun are gangsters, some guy yesterday got shot outside a nightclub. If it's only criminals that own the firearms that drives the populace into the hands of the government & their centres ( in ww2 the government set up bomb shelters, bombs would explode near them killing or injuring the inhabitants, people disobeyed the goverment & went to underground stations ) which may not be the best idea. So as i have said on many occasions on this site you would have more to fear from the living than from zombies.

[csmasterrave]

I am from Singapore enough said

[Faran Brigo]

...you'd have a minority of heavily armed people who would dominate everyone else in terms of competing for food and resources whereas in the UK everybody would be on more-or-less an equal footing and more likely to be forced into collaboration with others, which would IMO improve the survival rate.

Or people would kill each other with garden tools and domination would depend on your strenght and aggresiveness rather than the guns you have. Zombies (Romero ones) are clumsy and weak but the sheer numbers and the ease of death would make melee combat very costly in terms of lives.

It's actually the other way around I think. In gun restrictive countries, you have a minority of comparatively heavily armed people: Criminals, law enforcement and armed forces. These people WILL dominate everyone else in the UK because while they have assault rifles, submachineguns and semiauto pistols, the few civilian gun owners that remain have hunting guns.

In the U.S. on the other hand you have more guns than people and more (registered) gun owners than police and a few branches of the armed forces, and the difference in firepower and numbers is not as pronounced.

[JakAttak]

savannah GA. I can get MACE at shoe store store so just open your mind to the possibilities of were I can get a gun.

[50 cal]

Knoxville TN. Machine gun purchase is a mandatory CLEO sign off unless you have a felony conviction.
I build custom AR's and FAL's as a hobby for locals. Currently have 5 AR's and 3 FAL's.
Do reloading as a side business also. Have plenty of components on hand to reload .223/5.56

[JakAttak]

just in TN. and my grandad's strapped to the core.

[kanUsurvive]

A small town in Va. Right in the middle of the mountains.

[Dagnammit]

What's to protect the people from the government? That's one of the reasons behind the "right to bear arms".

When freedom becomes outlawed only outlaws will be free. :drinking:

In a country that has previously had any kind of stable democracy, no government would stand a chance of staying in power if it took away our right to vote. In the UK and the USA, it's not like the third world where Darwin's law is still king and the man with the biggest stick is master; power through force is not considered legitimate, and people in the developed world have been brought up to believe in that principle and we're not impressed by gratuitous displays of wanton power.

Maybe in Revolutionary times owning a weapon offered you protection from the government, but nowadays even if several hundred thousand disgruntled militia tried to take down the state with submachine guns and rifles, they wouldn't last five seconds against the US Army and all its billions of dollars in cutting edge, high tech ordnance.

Our real weapon against tyrannical governments isn't guns, it's the ideology of freedom. Western governments need the co-operation of the population to prosper, take away our freedom and they'll lose our trust and co-operation and they'll collapse. Who will they send to kill you when the soldiers have deserted them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big anti-gun campaigner who's come to spoil your fun. I just think, if you love guns then at least be honest and admit you just own them for the same reason I own three crossbows and made pipe-bombs as a teenager - because you're a big kid at heart and you love to see stuff get blown to smithereens. :lol:

[DarthJoe8]

In a country that has previously had any kind of stable democracy, no government would stand a chance of staying in power if it took away our right to vote. In the UK and the USA, it's not like the third world where Darwin's law is still king and the man with the biggest stick is master; power through force is not considered legitimate, and people in the developed world have been brought up to believe in that principle and we're not impressed by gratuitous displays of wanton power.

Maybe in Revolutionary times owning a weapon offered you protection from the government, but nowadays even if several hundred thousand disgruntled militia tried to take down the state with submachine guns and rifles, they wouldn't last five seconds against the US Army and all its billions of dollars in cutting edge, high tech ordnance.

Our real weapon against tyrannical governments isn't guns, it's the ideology of freedom. Western governments need the co-operation of the population to prosper, take away our freedom and they'll lose our trust and co-operation and they'll collapse. Who will they send to kill you when the soldiers have deserted them?

You have a very optimistic view of the roll of government. Ask someone who is living in an occupied territory, oppressed by a western government, what they think. :)


Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big anti-gun campaigner who's come to spoil your fun. I just think, if you love guns then at least be honest and admit you just own them for the same reason I own three crossbows and made pipe-bombs as a teenager - because you're a big kid at heart and you love to see stuff get blown to smithereens. :lol:

True dat. :drinking:

[mattifikation]

Oh, look... somebody's shining rainbows in my face.

Reality check: voting only keeps the government in check if the Diebold election machines aren't rigged and if the will of the people is allowed to override the will of the Supreme Court in chosing the final result. If government would collapse without the will of the people, then how is it that tyranical governments exist all around the world? How is it that the President and Congress both have approval ratings of less than 20%, with numbers sometimes sinking into the single digits, yet still they sit on their thrones in Washington?

Once a country has been taken, Revolution is the only way to reclaim it. Voting is merely a way to guide a country once it's free again.

[JakAttak]

you seem to not see that darwinian law will surface when their is hint of trouble right after Z-day we will probably have marshall law or in the worst case something like shari'ah law U.S style.

[Faran Brigo]

Maybe in Revolutionary times owning a weapon offered you protection from the government, but nowadays even if several hundred thousand disgruntled militia tried to take down the state with submachine guns and rifles, they wouldn't last five seconds against the US Army and all its billions of dollars in cutting edge, high tech ordnance.

Yeah apparently that's what Rumsfeld, Chenney and Bush thought too. Tell that to the Afghan and Iraqi insurgents, I'm sure they want to know that the past 5-7 years never happened because you say they can't.

Our real weapon against tyrannical governments isn't guns, it's the ideology of freedom. Western governments need the co-operation of the population to prosper, take away our freedom and they'll lose our trust and co-operation and they'll collapse. Who will they send to kill you when the soldiers have deserted them?

The "ideology of freedom" can be discredited and subverted. By making people lose faith on the institutions and process, and convincing them that the loss of freedom is temporary, or necesary to ensure survival and/or safety. A speech is not going to do you any good when you're facing down the barrel of a rifle.

[kanUsurvive]

I say you all come to Big Stone Gap, Virginia. It's a small town in the mountains. So it's easily defensible. I say guns in this town outnumber the people. There is no gangsters or anything. Just hunters and gun enthusiasts. Caves to holdout in, Barns (no windows and heavy doors), plenty of natural resources. Such as animals to kill and eat, rivers to drink from, ponds to fish in, etc....

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Wait all I see is talk about guns and government....Did we finally come up with a rally point?

Remember, we are from all over and to get across country would be about as hard as getting across the planet. That said as we know, we need several rally points all over the country(s).


I still say we all wear shirts that say ATZ on them so if anyone ever comes across an atzer they will know.....Then we can all gang together and go to our fortress of solitude together

[Dave Of The Dead]

My fiance gave me 3 zombie shirts for my bday last month. One is a ZOMBAID shirt from Shaun of the Dead. Another is a "Zombie Urban Defense Squad" or something like that. And the other I forget... T shirts are a good idea for anyone who runs into eachother. Maybe we could come up with cheap little ATZ ID cards that we print out on photo paper or something. I'm just throwing out ideas here. I'll see what I come up with in the ID card department... To the Corel-Painter Mobile!

[mattifikation]

I say we rally on the moon. We should start building our indestructible dome city now. Screw the earth.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

i totally agree....Good thing rockets come standard in todays computer purchases. We are all in good shape

[RogueAI]

Somewhere in the Tennessee mountains there is a maximum security prison for escape risks. It has old-style brick walls that have been modernized along with miles and miles of chain-link. Room to hold hundreds. Well over a couple of days trek through the mountainous forest to the nearest small town. Only one road leads to it; the road deadens there. Major drawbacks; even if the prisoners have already escaped they probably won't be far. Its hard to go anywhere in that area.

Its not the middle of the states and its probably not the best place in the states. Just my 2 cents on where to go.

P.S.

Way up on page 3erso somebody asked if any ATZ members were pilots. I have a U.S. Private Plane Pilot license and some experience with rotary wind aircraft.

[voyager]

I live just outside of Knoville, TN, seems there a couple in the area. Mountains and caves are convienient around here.

[mattifikation]

But they're all on Earth. Earth sucks, let's take the moon! At first I was concerned about finding a way to get there, but somebody earlier informed me that rockets come with computers now. Computers start at like 300 bucks at Wal-Mart, that's less than most guns.

Moon! Moon! Moon!

[kanUsurvive]

I live just outside of Knoville, TN, seems there a couple in the area. Mountains and caves are convienient around here.


I live pretty close to you.

[balancedragon]

I think we should set one main rally point near the ocean (in case we need to escape) like North Carolina. But we should set up muiltpal small rally points points or safehouse, so ATZ members can group up and go the main point. Also if we have muiltpal points the members coming from long distances can rest in one of the safehouses. It would also be a idea if we can communicat with eachother (like a radio frequcancy, but must be kept secret) like this we can report to one safehouses or the main rally point that a group of atz members are coming, so we can open the doors for them or increase our defences in case some zombies are following them and in case a safehouse gets attacked by zombies or humans we can report it and avoid it.

[beyerwrestler]

Man these rally points everyone is devising are more than half the states away from me. I live in the central valley in california. So any ATZ members in my area could head into the Sierras. Its cold, a few small mountain towns up there, hunting and fishing could be done, berries and other natural food supplies, plus we'd be able to farm to:)

[Trumble0]

Here in NY up in Alexandria Bay by Canada there is a Giant museum/mansion called Boldt Castle, it's huge and has a boat house, and towers. out on an Island in the middle of the Bay, fully furnished. I'm heading there anyone who can make it here can come with. :)
http://www.empire.state.ny.us/nyviews/thousandislandsseaway/images/Boldt%20Castle.jpg

[beyerwrestler]

That looks awesome! But what are you gon do for food? Youd have to head back into the mainland to get supplies..

[Adam Sandler]

I'm probably excluded by now. :)

But a good tip would be an older military fort.

Castillo de San Marcos, old Spanish Imperial fort in Florida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castillo_de_San_Marcos

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/Fort2.jpg/250px-Fort2.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama.jpg/300px-Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama.jpg

Great escape route, the sea.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama_1.jpg/300px-Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama_1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/CastillodeSanMarcosNM.jpg/200px-CastillodeSanMarcosNM.jpg

This is the best one in Europe that I know of. To reach it you have to cross fortified Islands surrounded by deep water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourtange

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Fortbourtange.jpg

Best of all must be any fort in Rajastan India, very fertile soil. You might get an ever lasting source of food and water just from the fort yard.
If there will be a large concentration of survivors anywhere on earth. It will be in western India and Pakistan. The Pakistanis make guns with scraps! And take the materials for the gun poweder and oil from their private lands.

Mehrangarh Fort, very very high walls built of massive blocks of stones. Makes you feel like an ant. And it's built on mother natures own fortification.
The fort is situated on a lofty height, 400 feet (122 metres) above the city, and is enclosed by imposing thick walls.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Mehrangarh_Fort.jpg/300px-Mehrangarh_Fort.jpg

More from Rajastan, A Zombies nightmare.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c6/Nahaar_Garh_Fort.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Udaipur.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Nahaar_Garh_Fort.jpg

[beyerwrestler]

I'm probably excluded by now. :)

But a good tip would be an older military fort.

Castillo de San Marcos, old Spanish Imperial fort in Florida.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castillo_de_San_Marcos

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/4e/Fort2.jpg/250px-Fort2.jpghttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama.jpg/300px-Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama.jpg

Great escape route, the sea.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama_1.jpg/300px-Castillo_de_San_Marcos_Fort_Panorama_1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/CastillodeSanMarcosNM.jpg/200px-CastillodeSanMarcosNM.jpg

This is the best one in Europe that I know of. To reach it you have to cross fortified Islands surrounded by deep water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bourtange

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Fortbourtange.jpg

Best of all must be any fort in Rajastan India, very fertile soil. You might get an ever lasting source of food and water just from the fort yard.
If there will be a large concentration of survivors anywhere on earth. It will be in western India and Pakistan. The Pakistanis make guns with scraps! And take the materials for the gun poweder and oil from their private lands.

Mehrangarh Fort, very very high walls built of massive blocks of stones. Makes you feel like an ant. And it's built on mother natures own fortification.
The fort is situated on a lofty height, 400 feet (122 metres) above the city, and is enclosed by imposing thick walls.

[/IMG]


These are all great fortifications and rally points, but cmon all this rallies are on the east coast! Dont forget about your ATZ members on the west coast!:doh:

[bookworm696]

Hey, I saw one of the other post... one for rally points... and it seems as though a majority of the ATZ are American...
So I figured we should do one for the Canadians... and other members from other countries should start their own thread...

Hmmm... which finally brings me to my question... where should us Canadian members meet... in case...?
I live in Toronto... which has to be one of the biggest cities in Canada... so heading out to like Algonquin park seems to be the best option... sadly... it seems I'd have to go through some crazy roads... and we all know how thats gonna end up...

Another idea, would have to be Ward's Island... but im sure me and 3 million other people will be thinking the same thing...

anyone else got any ideas?

[mattifikation]

Personally, if I were in Canada, I'd be heading north - as far away from us crazy Americans as you can get! Not that we don't like you guys, but in a zombie-filled world it's every man for himself and most of us have more guns up our butt cracks than you'll find in the average Canadian house. (Whether that's good or bad is a different topic.)

[wyattpowers]

I personally subscribe to the theory that the undead don't function well in the bitter cold. Whether they completely 'freeze up' for the winter or just slow down considerably, I'm not yet certain, but I most assuredly think that cold weather would be a hindrance to them.

So, I'd echo mattifikation's recommendation and advise that y'all head further North than TO. You'd still want to be somewhat near civilization, though, so just heading up to Nunavut might not suffice. Maybe just outside of Edmonton? The land is relatively flat (if my memory serves) so you'd be able to keep watch, and if the 'cold weather' theory is accurate you'd potentially have a few zed-free months to restock your supplies & whatnot.

[Trumble0]

I found the Perfect Place...

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51W0FSJ9R5L._SS500_.jpg

It has a Bottomless Pit moat all the way around it... and a fire-ladder on one of the towers?... I need to find someone who has directions to Eternia though...

[JakAttak]

you follow I-75 until you hit the blue walled gas station then take a left and just follow the roads and you should see some weird skeleton man.

If that's to much I'll fort Pulaski cut down the bridges and I'm business unless Zombies figure out how to use heavy artillery.

[secretcog]

Rally point to meet up with people whom I don't really know.

Ummm...think we should all meet annually at a mutual location, in public, and it should be sponsored by industry pros.

Whatcha think?

[Jester]

I say we make one central place as i have seen discussed (i got bored after reading the first ten pages)


But we also need temporary places in each state (im in us so thats what im worried about)


In washington there is a town just outside of the tri cities, like 30 minutes by car, called grandview. Summers are way hot, but the winters arent bad at all. Almost no snow. Its full of cattle farmers and such. My grandparents live there.

It has access to larger towns, and has enough homes to accomadate a thousand people possibly.

Those in the northwest could meet there, temporarily.


I think we should have at least one per state.

[Bob]

Slightly off topic.

How about a rally point for before the fall?
I am thinking Forum Throw down in some destination city where there is lots to do.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I can see Washington being a good place to hunker down. SeaTac is really big and would be a difficult place to survive but would be good for raiding. There are plenty of smaller towns surrounding the island of populations around 10,000 or less which are good for basic supply runs. Plenty of natural resources to exploit too!

[Boomstick Buddy]

There are quite a few millitary base's in yorkshire, also many many small towns for raids *like less than 500 people* and plenty of farms for food. Also the moore's = flat(ish) land, would see a zed miles before they knew better.

[Zombia planner]

see thats the problem...alot of people would want to be leaders...so if everyone just did there own thing and was in charge of a small group...then that would work

we would just all have to work together and help eachother out...

and skullwarrior....meet me and stonyman in jacksonville...since i have never heard of your town

we will group up in jacksonville,get supplies, then head for the ATZ base in kansas

have ranks, lowest rank being someone not from ATZ so all ATZ member will rul over someone, fair decision i think, sorry im new that was form the first page

[Zombia planner]

There are quite a few millitary base's in yorkshire, also many many small towns for raids *like less than 500 people* and plenty of farms for food. Also the moore's = flat(ish) land, would see a zed miles before they knew better.

give me a sniper tower and a 50 cal sniper, your all safe. lol

[Zombia planner]

Slightly off topic.

How about a rally point for before the fall?
I am thinking Forum Throw down in some destination city where there is lots to do.

do you mean make a base before the outbreak?

[Zombia planner]

I say we make one central place as i have seen discussed (i got bored after reading the first ten pages)


But we also need temporary places in each state (im in us so thats what im worried about)


In washington there is a town just outside of the tri cities, like 30 minutes by car, called grandview. Summers are way hot, but the winters arent bad at all. Almost no snow. Its full of cattle farmers and such. My grandparents live there.

It has access to larger towns, and has enough homes to accomadate a thousand people possibly.

Those in the northwest could meet there, temporarily.


I think we should have at least one per state.

sorry for so many posts lol anyway snow would be a good thing, zombies would have a problem getting through it

[Bob]

I was thinking party.

[Basement Man]

C'mon everyone, No one is ever going to decide on a rally point that everyone in this forum is going to come to. That is never going to happen, and never will. A good percent of people on this site are living here in America, but there is another good percent of people are living in Europe and other places. Everyone is really talking about some place in America, while there are still other people in other places. If this is ever going to get anywhere this is going to have to probably get organized very fast. And I am going to propose a way to do this basing it off of what I think of the general person in a zombie world and history.

First off, I am only going to be talking about stuff being located here in America because I also think that Foreign countries should decide their own.

Go get a globe or map right now. You got it? Good. Now look at the capital of the country. If you don't know what it is its Washington D.C. And if you want to know why it is there it is there because during the revolutionary war when the British took our capital on Pennsylvania we moved it to a more centrally located area of the growing country. Now take that same map and look at the capital of all the states there are right now. Again, they are centrally located. This is because in the olden days when the heads of the states lived at their farms wherever they were in the state they all wanted to go a more equal distance. So if this tells you anything the main rally point should be somewhere in south-east Nebraska, North-east Kansas, Not wherever you have personally been or have family members at.

Now, I think we should have some kind of structure in your posts in here. First of all, I don't think that we should have places out in Virginia or somewhere like that, how are the Californians supposed to get there? And when you do post something do some kind of research beforehand. More than personal experiences. Look up the name of the town, names of the surrounding town, the population of all of those towns, look at the satellite images in Google maps to try to get a feeling for the town and if it could be easily defensible, If it can be easily reached (any major highways/how many), how big the city is, if it is a city that has a lot of production plants in it or if it has tall skyscrapers. Is the land around it flat and grasslands, or is it wet, hilly, woods, swamplands, something?

This thread needs to increase in quality or else it is going to continue on like this without ever reaching a goal of some kind.

Also if any of you people feel like finding my previous posts, you might find some stuff you like.

-Man of Basements

[Fierce_Track]

That one place in that one country near that one thing. :clap:

[Krazymouse]

Maybe just a big cruise ship, and we travel around the world? and we make stops at ports that has not been runover by the zeds. Then we could get food from the ocean, stop by land, scavenge the land for goods, and continue along our way

[slayer1222]

Most people say that on zday the uk is screwed fist i would like to point out THAT IS NOT TRUE there are alot of guns and in some places even grenades so we are not that screwed and way onto the point of this thread.

We need to make a meeting place in the uk for when zday comes for people to meet and develope it as sort of a safe spot. If people would give sugestions as of where this would be and we will decide together on a place to meet.

Once we have decided we should workout directions from where you are and the best route print a map of it and put it in your survival kit. When we get to the safety spot we should gather weapons and slowly take the town back expanding are ground until we have got rid off the zombies slowly but surely until the uk is rid of them

[fast1]

queen elizabeth's palace. lol jkhttp://photosnag.com/img/3322/n09x0302vnsn/clear.gif

[kiltedninja]

I can see Washington being a good place to hunker down. SeaTac is really big and would be a difficult place to survive but would be good for raiding. There are plenty of smaller towns surrounding the island of populations around 10,000 or less which are good for basic supply runs. Plenty of natural resources to exploit too!

SeaTac is all windows man, it would be a terrible place. I know some of Seattle, the train station would be good for a while. But not for a big group, since there's not much for supplies.

[homelitexl]

if you come through the south we can rally at the st louis arch thingy.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, I just know that I'm heading west after I gather enough supplies. I'll pick up as many forumers as possible I guess... if they seem worthy :lol: After that, I'm sure you guys would know the area better than I. I'm an east coast kind of guy but I'm not sure how much safer it would be than here in the middle of everything and everywhere.

[kiltedninja]

Dude, everything important is on the East Coast, except the Danner boots factory(Here in Portland).

Anyway, I'm gonna go south to Hotlead's home turf.

[homelitexl]

i think i may go to colorado

[mattifikation]

We should all go to Australia and be the only ones with guns.

:evil:

[homelitexl]

good idead but wait everybody in australia owns guns.

[Bob]

Homelite
You would be surprised, Australia was pretty much disarmed several years ago.

[homelitexl]

really that must suck.

[mattifikation]

Sucks for them. Good news for me, if I can get there.

[Bob]

Getting there is going to be the trick.
A raft made of inner tubes is going to suck on the open sea.

I thought there were a couple of Australians here, I was hoping one would voice his opinion on the disarming. The ones I have spoken to about it are unhappy with the decision their bubbament made.

[kiltedninja]

I don't like the idea of a government disarming people, because then when that country gets invaded, the civilians can't fight for themselves.

[homelitexl]

the day they take my guns is the day they pry them from my cold dead hands.

[kiltedninja]

The day they criminalize guns is the day I go back to my criminal ways.

[J Dub]

worthy of a thought is northern ontario, still lots of good water, hunting and shelter. looks like the one of the less populated spots.

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/NASA_satalite_lights.jpg

[homelitexl]

well i wanna go to japan.

[Birdman44]

Whats in japan?

And I agree with the guns, they'll have to take them through a wall of lead.

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

lots of farming many island 2 live on good supply of water

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

bishop california lots of fishing hunting lots of lakes they have a k-mart comin out with a walmart and lots of hunting gun and fishing shops.

[homelitexl]

Whats in japan?

And I agree with the guns, they'll have to take them through a wall of lead.

hot chicks and easy to survive.

[Zombreach]

I still say Mackinac Island between lower and upper Michigan. It has a very small population except during tourist season and is only accessable by boat or plane. The fort would be a great place to hold up, and you would be protected by the wall that surrounds it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I still say Mackinac Island between lower and upper Michigan. It has a very small population except during tourist season and is only accessable by boat or plane. The fort would be a great place to hold up, and you would be protected by the wall that surrounds it.

Oh yeah, but didn't they build a bridge? Maybe not, its been about 7 years since I've been there so I can't really remember anymore.

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

bishop california lots of fishing hunting lots of lakes they have a k-mart comin out with a walmart and lots of hunting gun and fishing shops.

did any1 read this

[Zombreach]

Oh yeah, but didn't they build a bridge? Maybe not, its been about 7 years since I've been there so I can't really remember anymore.


The bridge connects the lower pennisula to the upper pennisula of MI. You can get to the island from either side, but is is a longer ride from the lower part. They have ferry's that take you across. Cool place--I use to live near there.

[Zombreach]

did any1 read this

I read it...I don't like CA--too hot and dry--besides anywhere that has a WalMart and KMart and lots of shops is probably too populated to be safe. Not to mention no freezing winter to slow down the zeds! I'll take MI or Canada.

[Dave Of The Dead]

did any1 read this

Yeah, I read it. I don't like it either.

[bandits1]

hot chicks and easy to survive.
Gonna be tough scavenging for weapons. Super-strict knife/sword restrictions(ironically), and even stricter gun restrictions.

[homelitexl]

Ill bring my own i have plenty

[Bob]

TV tells us that in California every woman is a beauty queen and every man is a millionaire.

[J Dub]

jmo.

if zombies are reanimated folks, they will still have some traits embedded in their noodles.
number one would be looking for nice places to hang, which is no doubt where all the sheep will be. the sheep will not be in the mountains, the sheep will not be in the far north or south where it is cold.
the sheep will be on sunny islands in tropical paradises, or in sunny locals. guess where the zombies are going to be.

tough times call for tough measures. if the continent chosen does not have a climate that can hold sub zero temperatures for extended periods/seasons, chances are that you will be in for trouble.

zombies are a threat, viral outbreaks are a threat, neither do well in cold.

[bandits1]

jmo.

if zombies are reanimated folks, they will still have some traits embedded in their noodles.
number one would be looking for nice places to hang, which is no doubt where all the sheep will be. the sheep will not be in the mountains, the sheep will not be in the far north or south where it is cold.
the sheep will be on sunny islands in tropical paradises, or in sunny locals. guess where the zombies are going to be.

tough times call for tough measures. if the continent chosen does not have a climate that can hold sub zero temperatures for extended periods/seasons, chances are that you will be in for trouble.

zombies are a threat, viral outbreaks are a threat, neither do well in cold.
I think number one would be looking for places with lots of food. They'll go wherever they need to to satisfy their hunger.

[hotlead]

TV tells us that in California every woman is a beauty queen and every man is a millionaire.

It's true, you should believe everything you see on TV, how do you think I can have two M1As and afford to feed them ?


Everyone here surfs too, and has a convertable and a hummer.

[homelitexl]

well hats tv say about people from the south

[kiltedninja]

I think number one would be looking for places with lots of food. They'll go wherever they need to to satisfy their hunger.

Those are the same place dude, where all of the people go, is where all the zombie food is.

California also has the largest population of gangbangers. Hotlead, we should go to the Rockies after I bring beer.

[J Dub]

Those are the same place dude, where all of the people go, is where all the zombie food is.


:lol: funny how sheep don't realize they've become sheep :lol:

[deathjezter6]

Unfortuatly for such a large group of people no large place would be sutiable as any place attractive to us would also be attractive to other survivors and therefor zombies. we would have to choose a more remote location and build from the ground up which with a couple hundred poeple wouldn't be to hard we would also need to organize based on skills and where certain people would be more sutad.If this has been mentioned before i apologize but its late an i need to get to bed. this is just my two cents.

[kiltedninja]

:lol: funny how sheep don't realize they've become sheep :lol:

My socks are made out of sheep.

People at my school are always like 'I'd go to Sportsman's/GI Joes/Mall.' I laugh at them and tell them that everyone is going to think to go there.

[mattifikation]

Let 'em go.

The more clowns there are at the mall, the fewer there are wherever you're at.

[kiltedninja]

Let 'em go.

The more clowns there are at the mall, the fewer there are wherever you're at.

Clowns+Mall=Zombie food

Zombie+Food=More zombies

more zombies=Less ammo

The list keeps going, but at the same time, zombies are easier to deal with because they won't be eating my cheetos.

[Bob]

Hotlead

You bum!
I bet it is a full sized hummer too.

[mattifikation]

You don't have to kill 'em if they don't find you. :-)

I think the government should pass a law saying that all malls and major shopping centers should have a "Self Destruct in the Event of Zombie Uprising" switch.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I came across a realization today why people go to the places like wal-mart and hunting outlets. Its because they are not prepared and those are the most familiar to them. In their minds, its the most reasonable place because it has everything they will need and everything they have needed. It keeps them alive now, why won't it keep them alive then? Because a million other unprepared people have the exact same mind set and thus there will be crowds and crowds of people killing eachother over things to keep them alive. :drool:

[kiltedninja]

That's what we call irony.

So you're saying that if I wait a week, Wal-Mart will be safe again?

[Bob]

They mistakenly believe there is so much stuff at Wal-Mart there will be enough to go around.

Some people who are not prepared at all believe they will be able to loot a gun shop, National Guard Armory, etc etc. If fact the owner of the gun shop will probably empty it himself. The national guard will do the same. Their only hope is for the virus to be so fast there is no time to realize what it happening.

The gangs will surge out into the suburbs and in some areas will rape, loot and pillage at will. In other areas they will be met with a wall of hyper velocity lead.
But if your group is below a minimum size they will roll over the top of you. When facing street gangs run amok no man is an island.

[mattifikation]

A week after, Wal-Mart will probably be about as "safe" as any other building in a populated area. But by that point, it probably won't be much more useful.

[kiltedninja]

They mistakenly believe there is so much stuff at Wal-Mart there will be enough to go around.

Some people who are not prepared at all believe they will be able to loot a gun shop, National Guard Armory, etc etc. If fact the owner of the gun shop will probably empty it himself. The national guard will do the same. Their only hope is for the virus to be so fast there is no time to realize what it happening.

The gangs will surge out into the suburbs and in some areas will rape, loot and pillage at will. In other areas they will be met with a wall of hyper velocity lead.
But if your group is below a minimum size they will roll over the top of you. When facing street gangs run amok no man is an island.

I live less than a block away from a Sportsman's, I reckon I could at least get my hands on something before things get too messy, even if it's just a revolver, it's something.

I know the guy next door has 3 12 ga. shotguns, I'm sure he'd let me borrow one.

[J Dub]

I know the guy next door has 3 12 ga. shotguns, I'm sure he'd let me borrow one.

stock up on ammo if you can, i doubt he will want to part with his own supply. could work though, you should talk to him.

[mrlaughingman]

well an atz members in the area around nd could meet up at one of the many abandonded missle silos. there are many abandonded missle silos for sale all over montana and the dakotas

[Dave Of The Dead]

And I'm sure there will be plenty more due to recent nuclear disarmament.

Yes, wal-mart will probably be empty after a week or so, but I'm sure there won't be much left. Of course, there is always a way to use something that is left behind. Food will most likely be tainted or all around gone. Weapons will be taken already along with most ammo. I think cooking supplies, clothes, vehicle supplies, a little hardware, and maybe some meds will be left. All have applicable uses, but are not exactly survival tools.

[mattifikation]

You might be able to find a good chunk of wal-mart's missing inventory in the abandoned vehicles that are likely to be stranded all around it for a good quarter mile.

It wouldn't be much harder than searching for the stuff on the actual shelves, and this is coming from a guy that works there. :lol:

[Krazymouse]

We should meet up in the middle of the atlantic ocean. on a boat

[NotoriousDIT]

well we might have to now.

http://bouncewith.me.uk/europe/8027043.htm

[mattifikation]

I hope you don't think that's a real BBC article. The domain isn't even close.