Rally Point for ATZ members

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.

[NotoriousDIT]

stop ruining my fun.

[mattifikation]

Fun?

You're on ATZ.

No fun allowed. :lol:

[kiltedninja]

Especially in this thread, we're supposed to be on topic.

I know where I'm going. I'm headed south to San Fran so me and Hotlead can get our drink on with some of the local Portland beer.

[Faran Brigo]

Yeah, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on that one.

Yeah but our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. Those shenanigans might end up cruel and tragic. Which would make them... not shenanigans at all, really. More like evil shenanigans.


Fun?

You're on ATZ.

"Fun? on my ATZ?" It's more likely than you think!

Anyway I second the guy who said "Missile silos", but as far as I know, they're not exactly easy to find, and they're going to be guarded (people don't just leave nuclear ICBMs lying around, even during ZPAW).

[Bob]

I like it thanks...
I reposted it on shootingatoz.com

[Birdman44]

Yeah but our shenanigans are cheeky and fun. Those shenanigans might end up cruel and tragic. Which would make them... not shenanigans at all, really. More like evil shenanigans.



I swear to god I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!

But aside from that, I think hes talking about the deactivated missile silos that had their nukes dismantled. And i third that opinion.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I swear to god I'm going to pistol whip the next person who says shenanigans!

But aside from that, I think hes talking about the deactivated missile silos that had their nukes dismantled. And i third that opinion.

Yeah, there are a bunch of empty ones left over from the cold war. I don't know what kind of shenanigans :) you have to go through to find a place like that let alone buy it, but it sounds like a good idea.... as long as it doesn't turn out like Day of the Dead (the good one). So no keeping zombies as pets! :naughty:

[kiltedninja]

I use shenanigans as a replacement for Bullshit.

So when I say 'I call shenanigans' I mean 'I call Bullshit'.

I think I'd go to the Dakotas in ZPAW, that way if I can't find a missle silo, I can go to Canadia.

[ratfink1970]

kansas area is good i was a scout sniper and eod member in the service ill provide security and whatknot you should put it up on google earth

[deathjezter6]

The trouble with the silos idea is that they are underground and as such you would be trapped once they got in. The best place from my money would be a mesa the sheer cliff sides would stop them getting up and you can get a nice lil place going inside and on top of one of those. Trouble is i live nowhere near a mesa here in the northwest id have to make due with someplace like multnomah falls. however i don't plan on hiding to long just until the panic subsides to a manageable level and then i start a crusade against them absorbing more and more survivors as i go on. Anyone can join if the like

[homelitexl]

but its still a good idea

[sk8rmichael]

well dose any one know of any castles in america?

[Dave Of The Dead]

well dose any one know of any castles in america?
There are plenty. How functional these "castles" are in the case of a zombie outbreak is questionable. Most of these American castles are no more than stone mansions with windows on the first floor and no walls.

[sk8rmichael]

yea the brits got all the castles:doh: lol but we should find a small town probly like mine but not in colorado cus it isnt centraly located .... but how are we all gona get there? >.<

[RatFink008]

I have been lurking here for a very long time.... and I cannot resist posting any longer.... For this thread, I must suggest using the decommissioned minute man missile silos that have been converted to underground housing.... i suggest everyone do some research on these buildings for yourself. YOU will not be disappointed.

[homelitexl]

ratfinks right those things are badass you could live out the apocolyspe in style in one of those

[Dave Of The Dead]

No doubt. I say we all invest a share and buy one together. Then all we would have to worry about it food, water, and our sanity.

[RatFink008]

well if you think about it..... the entrance blast doors are some 4 stories tall, and some 50feet wide.... and like 4feet thick.... if you figure.... "borrowing" transportation..... get a 53foot dry van and raid some local warehouses, sams clubs, costcos...... you get my drift..... here shortly i will make a thread about the vehicles that one should try to get or make

[Dark Gale]

well if you think about it..... the entrance blast doors are some 4 stories tall, and some 50feet wide.... and like 4feet thick.... if you figure.... "borrowing" transportation..... get a 53foot dry van and raid some local warehouses, sams clubs, costcos...... you get my drift..... here shortly i will make a thread about the vehicles that one should try to get or make

Everyone should just use that big truck they had in Land Of The Dead, lol.

[homelitexl]

my dad taught me how to driveh is big trucks i would just armor plate a dump truck they re designed to take ause rather well.

[RatFink008]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoDcnbevOy8

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yikes, 3 minutes to close the door. Thats a little bit too long for my taste. Well, I'm sure we can replace that 2 horse engine and replace with with... I don't know a 7? :) 3 minutes gets cut down to 20 seconds.

[mattifikation]

You could put a gate around it for more immediate security and just leave the door open when there's no massive imminent threat. The blast door would just be for when it reaches that point where your base is surrounded by a sea of zombies.

Oh! Imagine if you got one of those gasoline tanker trucks and rigged up a giant flamethrower to it. You could use it to burn away a giant zombie hoard while taking refuge from the flames inside the missile silo.

[Dave Of The Dead]

You could put a gate around it for more immediate security and just leave the door open when there's no massive imminent threat. The blast door would just be for when it reaches that point where your base is surrounded by a sea of zombies.

Oh! Imagine if you got one of those gasoline tanker trucks and rigged up a giant flamethrower to it. You could use it to burn away a giant zombie hoard while taking refuge from the flames inside the missile silo.

Or just make a moat of gasoline and light it up when there is that big of a need to... Might get dangerous when I go out for my smoke breaks though. :lol:

What if we built one of those make shift underground bases like the Vietcong did and just cover it up with a car or something? If we build it somewhere with a lot of clay in the ground, like Indiana, we wouldn't have to worry about cave-ins... as much.

[RatFink008]

here you go guys.....

Here are 12 of the total 72 coordinates of the non-operational SMS Atlas F sites.
Here is a link to the rest of the sites

http://www.atlasmissilesilo.com/atlas_f.htm

550th SMS, Schilling Air Force Base, Salina, Kansas

Operational Site #: 1
Location: Bennington, Kansas
Latitude: 39-05-56
Longitude: 097-32-37

Operational Site #: 2
Location: Abilene, Kansas
Latitude: 38-56-56
Longitude: 097-15-23

Operational Site #: 3
Location: Chapman, Kansas
Latitude: 38-59-04
Longitude: 097-03-58

Operational Site #: 4
Location: Carlton, Kansas
Latitude: 38-40-25
Longitude: 097-19-21

Operational Site #: 5
Location: McPherson, Kansas
Latitude: 38-28-34
Longitude: 097-38-24

Operational Site #: 6
Location: Mitchell, Kansas
Latitude: 38-23-29
Longitude: 098-04-05

Operational Site #: 7
Location: Kanopolis, Kansas
Latitude: 38-45-08
Longitude: 098-03-06

Operational Site #: 8
Location: Wilson, Kansas
Latitude: 38-50-04
Longitude: 098-26-06

Operational Site #: 9
Location: Beverly, Kansas
Latitude: 39-04-04
Longitude: 098-00-57

Operational Site #: 10
Location: Tescott, Kansas
Latitude: 39-01-10
Longitude: 097-51-01

Operational Site #: 11
Location: Glasco, Kansas
Latitude: 39-24-43
Longitude: 097-40-50

Operational Site #: 12
Location: Minneapolis, Kansas
Latitude: 39-09-53
Longitude: 097-39-51

[mattifikation]

Yeah, a moat poses a constant danger. Fuel in a tanker is comparatively safe. Imagine if you had a missile silo and a MOAB. You could clear out a sea of zombies easily, but survive without a problem underground.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, a moat poses a constant danger. Fuel in a tanker is comparatively safe. Imagine if you had a missile silo and a MOAB. You could clear out a sea of zombies easily, but survive without a problem underground.

I can apply my robotics training that never did me any good and make the flamethrower remote controlled from an underground security station. :)

[homelitexl]

and i could capture zombies and duct tape explosives to them and drop them into the crowd from the roof and blow the ret up

[mattifikation]

I can apply my robotics training that never did me any good and make the flamethrower remote controlled from an underground security station. :)

That would be sweet. I've thought about my idea some more, and I'm not sure if a flamethrower would have the right kind of reach. Maybe rig up an irrigation sprinkler system to the gasoline truck, and when you need to light the area up you just set that off and then set off some electronically fired fireworks that are pre-positioned into the ground.

Or, you could get some of those big propane tanks that are used for home heating in remote locations and rig an explosive horde clearing system up to a few of those. Then you don't have to worry about gas going bad.

[Dave Of The Dead]

That would be sweet. I've thought about my idea some more, and I'm not sure if a flamethrower would have the right kind of reach. Maybe rig up an irrigation sprinkler system to the gasoline truck, and when you need to light the area up you just set that off and then set off some electronically fired fireworks that are pre-positioned into the ground.

Or, you could get some of those big propane tanks that are used for home heating in remote locations and rig an explosive horde clearing system up to a few of those. Then you don't have to worry about gas going bad.

Of since there is a 7 foot fence around the whole place, we could take a few of those propane tanks and hook them up to a hose system that shoots jets of burning propane from nozzles at the top of the fences. So whenever we want we can just light them all up if they get too rowdy.

[Brutish Sailor]

Thers so many post on this thread its not funny. Im NOT going to look through this to see if it has been suggested. Im headed to Las Vegas, Nevada.

The Hoover dam can generate electricity even without human manning.

So that is the last spot on earth with artifical lighting. 1 year give or take before it gets clogged with muscles from no clean outs.

a water source with an IDEAL setup for a reverse osmosis plant.

And by plant, I mean 30-40 (I dont expect people to know how to build a single unit from scratch) micro reverse osmosis distiller water filter sold in home retail stores (and yes, they work well, run it 5 times, and you will have sludge that looks like a small cat turd build up in it)

fortified, limited accesses, steel reinforced doors, cement walls, the ideal place to be in event of a fallout.

Not to mention how many resources can be collected around the LV area. Independent security facilitys hired by casinos = guns... and lots of them.

Lots of bars, car dealerships, minibars=non perishable foods

Thats where you will find me.


Not to mention close to the coastline if things get too hairy.


I do like some of the suggestions, and though I talk about arming myself frequently, Im seriously going to give it a few weeks before I go on a zombie shooting rampage. See if the virus will run its course, and do a little studying.

[Darkness]

"I like the idea of the Silos, for all the reasons mentioned, so far, and one that I think got missed."

"Most of them have back up for their communication systems, and most are connected to each other through this system. We could keep in better global contact that way."

"The problem with Hoover Damn is that there is only one. Where the silos, and simular such underground constructs, are all over the world."

[mattifikation]

Most of the silos have long since had their communication equipment removed. In fact, most of them are flooded ruins and nothing more than holes in the ground.

There's just the occasional very, very few that have been restored and converted into livable space. I know one has been turned into a middle school, and at least one other that's been turned into a luxury home.

There's a realtor that deals specifically in the properties, as well as in the old communications bunkers which were equally fortified against nuclear blasts.

http://www.missilebases.com/

[Dave Of The Dead]

What ever happened to the big city cold war bomb shelters? Anyone know if those are still around or if they have been converted into something else?

[homelitexl]

i foundd one the other day in the woods i think theve been forgotten.

[RatFink008]

What ever happened to the big city cold war bomb shelters? Anyone know if those are still around or if they have been converted into something else?

The cold war era shelters are still around.... however with the civil defense being disbanned a majority of the shelters are locked and lost forever.... Most of the shelters reside in public schools, government buildings, key private businesses (Amtrak station in toledo ohio) in large population areas.... I read an article not that long ago, about a guy in the central US who brought back the civil defense in his state, and it only cost the state about .25 cents per person per shelter to maintain them. i will try and get you a link to the article.

[homelitexl]

its sad these places have had this happen to them

[mattifikation]

I'd be interested in knowing how one person convinced the entire state to bring back the bomb shelters. I've read before that Russia's train tunnels were built to double as bomb shelters and can house a far higher percentage of their population than anything we've ever been capable of in the states...

[RatFink008]

I'd be interested in knowing how one person convinced the entire state to bring back the bomb shelters. I've read before that Russia's train tunnels were built to double as bomb shelters and can house a far higher percentage of their population than anything we've ever been capable of in the states...

its amazing what one person can do when they lobby and get support from others in the community and the state that share their feelings and concerns. Youve gotta love democracy....

[ZedHunter]

I'm far from the center. Doubt I'd even make it half way. Sorry.

[LycanZombieHunter]

i mean im from pennsylvania. i have some anti-zed friends and they'd help. i mean we'd help anyone that we think could be helped. but besides staying away from walmarts or anything where would u get supplies if nothing else is around. e-mail me. unholyfreak86@aol.com or werewolfinside@yahoo.com put ZOMBIE PLAN as the subject or just IM me with ur ideas

[Brutish Sailor]

Im sure this has been recommended 1000 times, but all of you should watch life after human on the history channel.

It gives an idea of what EXACTLY to expect.

Subways that will be flooded out, alcohol and beer refineries exploding just from unmanning, ect.

Its a very good watch for when planning your escape routes, and your meeting points.

The only problem for me with a central location in the US is that Im worried that it is not a global pandemic.

The second a country gets word that the US population was just wiped out by an organism that animates the dead, I am worried that the nukes are going to fall. I do like the Idea of a silo. I also would like to throw a different perspective as well.

If you find an area with a habitable shelter in the desert, its a thought. If the organism that animates the dead is sentient or not, its not going to drag its host into an area with no food or signs of host to spread the infection. The Instinctual side of the zombie will probably roam a building back and forth not aware its checking the exact same rooms, before it walks into the middle of nowhere. Im not saying the zombie grasp that concept of no chance of survival in the desert, Im just saying the odds of a zombie wondering into a uninhabitable area will probably be deteriorated by the organism or instinct of survival.

We might have just as much chance as the zombies there, but at least it will be a zombie free zone. Well, unless enough activity gets the zombies attention.

[homelitexl]

distilleries exploding noooooooooooooooooo
anyway that all happens like a hundred years after man disappears and we would still e around in a zomie apocolypse

[skullwarrior]

well if someone has the know-how to make and distill beer here we could all hole up in a brewery and have enough beer forever and with the excess we could make a crap-load of molotov cockteases...er i mean cocktails!!!:roll::roll::doh::drinking:

[DocTongue]

well if someone has the know-how to make and distill beer here we could all hole up in a brewery and have enough beer forever and with the excess we could make a crap-load of molotov cockteases...er i mean cocktails!!!:roll::roll::doh::drinking:

I like your thinking.

[skullwarrior]

well when your an undead LT like me you need to think a certain way...*cough*beer*cough*:puke::drinking::puke:

[homelitexl]

and when your a general like me al you think about is beer women and guns, and tobacoo products

[Brutish Sailor]

No, distilleries will not take years to explode.

try 7 days. You should really watch that show.

[Dave Of The Dead]

No, distilleries will not take years to explode.

try 7 days. You should really watch that show.

But thats is humans just disappeared instantly with everything running. Someone will probably be shutting these things down to avoid such a disaster. Just because zombies are here, doesn't mean everyone will just run out into the streets instantly. Businesses and factories will get orders to shut down and people will be told to stay in their homes.

[bandits1]

Yeah, I think the premise of the show "Life After People" is that every human disappears at the same time with no warning. Unlike what z-day would probably be like, there would be no time for shutting down or turning off of equipment/generators/whatever or taking safety precautions of any kind.

[Bob]

I agree with Dave but there will still be instances of things being left running.
In some cases there will people who are supposed to stay or go in and shut things off that will just say screw it and leave it running.

[rogeneck]

http://www.mackinacisland.org/index.html

Check it out mackinac island is one of the best places in the world to hid from and defend from zombies. there are a ton of boats to carry out raids on the main land. fishing is ok. there is plenty of land to farm. plenty of wood to power every thing from wood fire places to modified electric generators. unlimited amount of fresh water. over 600 horses(food and transport). caves as a last resort. large birds are abundant. many bats for easy food. only 500-600 people live on the island full time. home to the grand hotel a great place to find logging all year long with very nice rooms and a large stock of food.

Beyond all of these great reason to chose this place there is also no bridge 3/4 of the year and the ice bridge may or may not bring zombies.

As far as the zombie going across water thing this is not possible. water currents would stop all zombies from swimming across the water. and as far a under water, goes zombies still have human bodies right? does that not mean to move their muscles they need oxygen to power them.

Down sides include Poor weather/heavy storms no power plants on the island questionable amounts of guns and ammo on the island

im going to get to the island with in 3 months of the outbreak maybe as soon a 2 weeks.

[mattifikation]

They don't need oxygen. We don't know why. It's a mystery, like why bees can fly without the proper wingspan or why there's a guy in my town with no upper teeth but he still gets tons of ass.

[rogeneck]

But unless there those weird nuclear zombies then they have to breath in order to use there body. also to make screching sounds.

wait unless your counting on magic zombies. like from wow. they run on magic and dont need to breath or eat.

about the teethless guy does he have lots of money. if no is he possibly using drugs.

[homelitexl]

or he has false teeth
and id raTHER LIVE IN A BOMB SHELTER.

[mattifikation]

Zombies in movies always do just fine underwater, not to mention with their lungs shot out of them. They don't need air... simple as that.

[homelitexl]

what would happen if we shot them in the nuts would zombies be stopped by that

[mattifikation]

Sure, if their heads were for some reason positioned right behind their nuts...

[homelitexl]

but mos6 men think with there wang

[Darkness]

"Okay guys, let's get back to discussing Rally Points, thank you."

[Bob]

Ok
On topic Rally Point.
The most important thing is all your team members actually know where it is.
Second most important thing have an alternate route to get there.

[rogeneck]

you should also have meet up sites before you go to your safe place. meet at the house closest to the place, or the best armed. this way you dont shot your friend while he tries to see if any one else besides your team is in there.

[Eknytz]

We should just buy one of these buttes to go to and construct some awesome mansion/fortress on top.
Our only enemy would be running out of food/water.
http://www.livingwilderness.com/southwest/merrick-butte.jpg

[mattifikation]

I do not think that ATZ members should rally together. We would all be dead in a week, considering how easily we get into arguments around here.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I do not think that ATZ members should rally together. We would all be dead in a week, considering how easily we get into arguments around here.

I agree, but we should at least find a way to stay in touch. Combined, we have enough knowledge to survive for a very long time, but personalities and preferences will clash more than anything else.

[Bob]

It might not be as bad as you might think.
I find people to be much more reasonable in person than on the internet.

On the internet every one is 10 feet tall and covered with hair.
Fully capable of throwing a car a hundred yards.
There are lots more and I would start a thread but it would be so off topic it would get shifted to a section I don't read.

[mattifikation]

On the internet every one is 10 feet tall and covered with hair.
Fully capable of throwing a car a hundred yards.

You underestimate me. I'm 20 feet tall, covered with spikes, and I prefer to throw bulldozers half a mile. ;-)

[Dave Of The Dead]

You could be right, Bob. But there will always be that one person who everyone just wants to disappear.

[homelitexl]

and that dude isnt me id just rather kick back know im safe with a beer in my hand enjoy it and watch dukes of hazard with my girlfriend.

[kiltedninja]

Man, I'm 45 Feet tall, covered in fire and throw semi-trucks six miles! Beat that.:lol:

Yeah, but seriously, I think that if we all found a single place to converge on, we'd be set if we could all get there.

[homelitexl]

im 75 feet tall covered in thick bullet proof steel and my saw is powered by radioation

[Dave Of The Dead]

I say we all find one of those small towns in the hills of Tennessee that are pretty much surrounded by cliffs and whatnot, and hunker down together there. Plenty of shit for Homelite to distill and unusually only one road into a place like that. We'd have enough to supply at least of forum members here for a while and after that, we could just raid the surrounding small towns.

[homelitexl]

that sounds good to me because i got alot of kin all over tennessee so i can find my way around pretty good.

[mattifikation]

Well, I just ate a magic mushroom and grew to 200 feet tall. I'm now covered in Chuck Norris fists and I don't need to throw anything - shit just gets up and runs.

[kiltedninja]

I had some magic mushrooms once. They made life feel like a pop-up book. Scared the piss out of me.

[bandits1]

I agree, but we should at least find a way to stay in touch. Combined, we have enough knowledge to survive for a very long time, but personalities and preferences will clash more than anything else.
General survival knowledge, sure, but zombie "knowledge" can only be gained once z-day begins. All we're doing right now is guessing, speculating, and fantasizing. Nobody here "knows" anything about zombies, how they function, or how to kill them.

[homelitexl]

thrtr ike the paprazi slow dumb and it take a bullet to the head to stop them:drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::drool::puk e:

[kiltedninja]

Honestly mate, check your god damn spelling. You can't be that stupid.

[homelitexl]

they say brain kills beercells so idk and you gotta remember arkansas pubic skools aint the breast in the nation:lol:

[Dave Of The Dead]

General survival knowledge, sure, but zombie "knowledge" can only be gained once z-day begins. All we're doing right now is guessing, speculating, and fantasizing. Nobody here "knows" anything about zombies, how they function, or how to kill them.

I'm not just talking zombie knowledge. I mean like electrical, electronics, guns, construction, leadership skills, mechanics, vehicle maintenance, ect, ect. Who else knows how to build a robot here besides me? Back in vocational school we made battle bots and mine tied with another guys just because mine was too low to the ground for his giant monstrosity to detect, but mine also got the motion sensors damaged in the round before. So they both just kinda wandered around the arena and didn't do anything... :x Mine was named Betty Paige. :)

[bandits1]

I'm not just talking zombie knowledge. I mean like electrical, electronics, guns, construction, leadership skills, mechanics, vehicle maintenance, ect, ect. Who else knows how to build a robot here besides me? Back in vocational school we made battle bots and mine tied with another guys just because mine was too low to the ground for his giant monstrosity to detect, but mine also got the motion sensors damaged in the round before. So they both just kinda wandered around the arena and didn't do anything... :x Mine was named Betty Paige. :)
Yeah, that's what I meant by "general survival knowledege". Any practical real-world skills like those you mentioned become 10x as valuable.

But anyone who thinks they "know" a lot about zombies because they played Resident Evil 1-4 and watched every zombie movie in existence is probably going to have to do as much learning about how zombies work as your average non-zombie-fan.

[mattifikation]

I have nothing real to contribute. Will unemployed TV/Computer Salesmen be in high demand? Probably not. :-p

But that shouldn't hinder anyone here, since like I've said a few times, I won't be making it a priority to meet up with you folks. Nothing personal.

[homelitexl]

if you can shoot a gun you can rove aroun getting hired out as a mercenary

chainsaw wielding madmen hopefully wil be in high demand

[slayer1222]

what about builders that no alot about cars and is a good shot good with bats and swords and does no alot of funny jokes is so i am sorted

[skullwarrior]

are customer service reps in a convinience store in high demand??? probably not... well im f**ked then lol.

[homelitexl]

unless you can run a dozer yes you are.

[kiltedninja]

I...wash dishes. But fvck my job, my other skills are important.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I...wash dishes. But fvck my job, my other skills are important.

Exactly dude. I'm a fvcking subway "sandwitch artisit." That is my official job title, itsn't that grossly ridiculous? At least I can sharpen the knives there.

I say we pick a small town in every state for those state members to meet, then once we get established, we have rally points for each time zone, then one country rally point once that is completed. Who knows?

[mattifikation]

Dude. You have an amazing gift. You can tell chicks you're an artist, and that you have a job with a uniform, and not be lying.

[CAVU45]

are customer service reps in a convinience store in high demand??? probably not... well im f**ked then lol.

Depending on the group you fall in with that could be quite literally.....Jus' sayin'.

[homelitexl]

yeah how out we all meet in west plains missouri

[1337ZM613HN73R]

Exactly dude. I'm a fvcking subway "sandwitch artisit." That is my official job title, itsn't that grossly ridiculous? At least I can sharpen the knives there.

I say we pick a small town in every state for those state members to meet, then once we get established, we have rally points for each time zone, then one country rally point once that is completed. Who knows?

Dude... I like that plan... Florida should be Melbourne... Then I don't have to move as much

[kiltedninja]

There's a small strip of towns in the Cascades, about 10-30 miles south of the Dalles. I say we go there, for Oregon. I've gotta head that way anyhow.

[Bob]

I am a jack of all trades and am willing to do my part to repopulate the world.

[kiltedninja]

Aren't we all Bob? But aren't you getting a little old for that? You always wield your age against us younguns, but by the time the world is clear to be repopulated, won't you be like a thousand years old?:lol:

[Bob]

If my "member" still functions when I am a thousand I will be worshiped as a God!

I am genetically proven, that should count for something.
Besides I am only going to last for 30 to 90 days before the lack of meds causes me to go on a suicide mission.
Let the old man have some fun will ya...

[slayer1222]

I am a jack of all trades and am willing to do my part to repopulate the world.

so am i my official ole is earth repopulator:)

[homelitexl]

hey bob aint the ony one that will go insane when i rn out of dip and coors so will i

[mattifikation]

so am i my official ole is earth repopulator:)

We're doomed.

[homelitexl]

yeah we clearly need an generation of pealple ike me

[kiltedninja]

No. That would also doom us.

What we need, is a group of people capable of being intelligent and useful. I nominate Matt as the official world repopulate-ifier. Except Oregon, leave that to me.

[homelitexl]

screw yo everything west of kansas is mine at east teh southeast

[mattifikation]

I'll challenge you to a spelling bee for it.

[homelitexl]

i challenge u to a not think off

[Bob]

You best beware claiming the South East.

[homelitexl]

why that i live here

[kiltedninja]

*in his best southern accent* Mr.Homelite, I'd like you to know that I'm a practitioner of the art of Zen, which is the art of not thinkin, so I reckon you re-think your challenges kind sir.

[homelitexl]

fine a chainsaw dual i it is then

[rogeneck]

fine if its a chain saw fight ill use my left arm for a shield and swing at you head. I might die but at least no one will have you genes.JK

you guys should stop talking about this i think it is against the rules.

[Darkness]

"Not to mention totally off topic." :naughty:

[kiltedninja]

Us. Off topic? NO way! :lol:

I think we'll all have our respective regions. Homelite can take the backwoods.:lol:

[homelitexl]

no i want texas missori arkansas louisiana missouri and tennessee at least

[Dave Of The Dead]

I know a few members here live in Northern or central Indiana, but I think southern Indiana is safer. There are more hills and caves and trees and shit... Plus its closer to Kentucky so that means more gun shops.:lol:

[Jimmy]

I know a few members here live in Northern or central Indiana, but I think southern Indiana is safer. There are more hills and caves and trees and shit... Plus its closer to Kentucky so that means more gun shops.:lol:

I second DOTD's idear.

[Captain]

Anyone ever hear of Mackinaw Island? It is a small island between the lower and upper pennisula of Michigan. It can only be reached by boat or air and there are no cars allowed. There is a very small population of people living there year round (although the summer months are crowded) and there is a great fort--very defensible--on it. The fort has high rock walls and on one side the walk up to it is very steep. It would hold a lot of people and would be easy to defend. The main town has a lot of shops and restaurants, so there is a decent supply of food and clothing. There are plenty of horses for getting around and later as a food supplement.

The only drawback is the waterway freezes in the winter and the zombies may be able to walk across the ice to the island. (I have done this--sooo awesome!) Although their combined weight may break the ice and the zombies will sink to the bottom of the Straits of Mackinaw. (The Straits connect Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.) Of course with global warming, the water may not freeze like it has in the past!?

I visit their every few years, and the Grand Hotel presents an OPTIMAL stronghold, being on a higher elevation than anything else, also the rocky beaches and caves present good defenses.

[Captain]

i totally agree....Good thing rockets come standard in todays computer purchases. We are all in good shape

Ill fashion some nuclear weapons with itunes :lol:

[Captain]

I know a few members here live in Northern or central Indiana, but I think southern Indiana is safer. There are more hills and caves and trees and shit... Plus its closer to Kentucky so that means more gun shops.:lol:

Im in SE Michigan, so I can rendezvous there, whether it be car, bike, hell I'll walk (big backpacker here).

[Onslaught]

I visit their every few years, and the Grand Hotel presents an OPTIMAL stronghold, being on a higher elevation than anything else, also the rocky beaches and caves present good defenses.

I'm in SE michigan as well.

The one problem/blessing in disguise that I see with Mackinac is the WINTER. Sure the zombies should freeze solid, but you'll be too busy chopping wood/hunting/trapping food to go out and smash them. I love this state, but if I've got 50000000 zombies to deal with, I don't need to battle mother nature too. The good thing about winter on Mackinac is that as the lake freezes, you'll be able to walk to St Ignace for resupply.

[Hunk]

Originally Posted by Zombreach
Anyone ever hear of Mackinaw Island? It is a small island between the lower and upper pennisula of Michigan. It can only be reached by boat or air and there are no cars allowed. There is a very small population of people living there year round (although the summer months are crowded) and there is a great fort--very defensible--on it. The fort has high rock walls and on one side the walk up to it is very steep. It would hold a lot of people and would be easy to defend. The main town has a lot of shops and restaurants, so there is a decent supply of food and clothing. There are plenty of horses for getting around and later as a food supplement.

The only drawback is the waterway freezes in the winter and the zombies may be able to walk across the ice to the island. (I have done this--sooo awesome!) Although their combined weight may break the ice and the zombies will sink to the bottom of the Straits of Mackinaw. (The Straits connect Lake Michigan and Lake Huron.) Of course with global warming, the water may not freeze like it has in the past!?


Yeah ive been there...it would be an excellent place for all of us...imagine a big billboard ATZ MEMBERS ONLY!

lol i like it

[kiltedninja]

Shit I haven't got anything better to do, I suppose I'll walk to Michigan, or Southern Indiana, whichever one seems like a better idea at the time.

[homelitexl]

cometo arkansas well hide out in vault 666

[CAVU45]

cometo arkansas well hide out in vault 666

Sounds like a rotgut whiskey.

[homelitexl]

no but if you come ill stock it up with rotgut if u want

[SWAT Zombie]

yes. the nastiest rotgut whiskey is still better than the so called finest of wines any day

[Zombreach]

I think there are enough of us that agree on Mackinac Island in Michigan as a rally point...so this is where I'm heading. Of course, I'll probably never make it now that I've moved 17 hours away (by car). :lol:

[Dark Gale]

Michigan? That's at least a 2 and a half months away by foot. For me at least.

[Zombreach]

Michigan? That's at least a 2 and a half months away by foot. For me at least.

Where is your starting point?

[mattifikation]

You'd be amazed at how much ground you can cover on foot, and how quickly you can do it, if you pace yourself.

[homelitexl]

i got the lock workin on vault 666

[kanUsurvive]

I'm way down in Virginia so Michigan is pretty far away. I don't know if I would take the chance to get there right away. We would all end up gettin there and some of us would be infected. Then it would all go to shit then. Maybe if all else fails down my way I will head up there.

I say we all find out where each other is from. Then we would have groups consisting of regions. Then pick a specific spot near those regions for that group to go to.

[weirdenator]

what about us aussies:roll:

[kanUsurvive]

I guess you got to meet up with other Aussies. Or steal a boat and take it to the states.

[weirdenator]

I guess you got to meet up with other Aussies. Or steal a boat and take it to the states.

well i wont need to steal a boat my familys got a boat

i think us aussies meeting up is a better plan i get sea sick:puke:

[Sammo909]

i think us aussies meeting up is a better plan i get sea sick:puke:

Ditto. And not just sea sick, I went skydiving for my 24th and.... well it's breakfast so I'd rather not go over it right now.

Anyway, I'm in the Newcastle area of N.S.W., a quick walk to Mayfield or Hamilton or a longer walk into Newcastle itself. Are there any aussies here not from Melbourne?

[556superman]

what about alcatraz?:evil:

[hotlead]

I'm pretty close to Alcatraz, a 20 min drive and a 30min boat ride, the problem is most of the buildings are falling apart and pretty unsafe.

Treasure Island and Coast Gaurd Island would be cool after being cleared of zombies.

[556superman]

I'm pretty close to Alcatraz, a 20 min drive and a 30min boat ride, the problem is most of the buildings are falling apart and pretty unsafe.

Treasure Island and Coast Gaurd Island would be cool after being cleared of zombies.

buildings can be repaired

[weirdenator]

Ditto. And not just sea sick, I went skydiving for my 24th and.... well it's breakfast so I'd rather not go over it right now.

Anyway, I'm in the Newcastle area of N.S.W., a quick walk to Mayfield or Hamilton or a longer walk into Newcastle itself. Are there any aussies here not from Melbourne?

i havent seen anyone not from melbourne yet but maybe its just an idea maybe we could meet up in between the two areas or somwhere we could all get to in aout the same amount of time

[556superman]

i havent seen anyone not from melbourne yet but maybe its just an idea maybe we could meet up in between the two areas or somwhere we could all get to in aout the same amount of time

ill come get the Aussies on an aircraft carrier from the U.S. and we can party until there is a designated rally point

[weirdenator]

ill come get the Aussies on an aircraft carrier from the U.S. and we can party until there is a designated rally point

nothing i can do but lol

[556superman]

nothing i can do but lol

i thought it sounded like a good plan aussie girls are hot

[homelitexl]

superman after u get those aussie chicks come 2 arkansas i found a huge ass fallout bunker

[weirdenator]

i thought it sounded like a good plan aussie girls are hot

were would you get an aircraft carrier btw i know aussie girls are hot i go to school with them and im dating one

[Sammo909]

I did mention I'm a bloke, right? I'm willing to do a few things to survive but that isn't one of them.

[556superman]

were would you get an aircraft carrier btw i know aussie girls are hot i go to school with them and im dating one

Well i know some people lol

[weirdenator]

hmm ok(message lenghener)

[weirdenator]

I did mention I'm a bloke, right? I'm willing to do a few things to survive but that isn't one of them.

i know your a dude:drinking: and i wouldnt do that to survive either:scare: were talking bout aussie women in general chances are some will survive:pray:

[SWAT Zombie]

isn't there a Meatloaf song about that?

I would do anything to live
But I won't do that
:)

[weirdenator]

isn't there a Meatloaf song about that?

I would do anything to live
But I won't do that
:)

yes there is but isnt it
I would do anything to love
But I won't do that

[mattifikation]

I can't understand half of this page because it's plugged up with morons who are too fvcking lazy to learn how to write and spell in the English language.

I hate most teenagers. Fvcking morons, almost all of them. I'm not rallying with anyone who's too damn stupid to form a sentence.

[sk8rmichael]

LOL its only when we get lazy we dont spell properly

[mattifikation]

You're interacting in via the written medium. It is moderated and owned by adults. Many of its members - and in all honesty, its wisest and most knowledgeable contributers - are also adults. Your words are made available to a global audience, and could potentially be seen by thousands of people all over the planet. You are not texting your equally retarded high school friends here. The things you post will contribute in some way to the perception foreign people have of the youth and the education standards of the country you come from.

I know that most of you - not all, but most of you - are American. Try to demonstrate to the world that the American school system isn't failing. Please? Those of us who are adults and are tired of being referred to as "Stupid Americans" would really appreciate it if you kids would stop living up to that stereotype.

[Zombreach]

You're interacting in via the written medium. It is moderated and owned by adults. Many of its members - and in all honesty, its wisest and most knowledgeable contributers - are also adults. Your words are made available to a global audience, and could potentially be seen by thousands of people all over the planet. You are not texting your equally retarded high school friends here. The things you post will contribute in some way to the perception foreign people have of the youth and the education standards of the country you come from.

I know that most of you - not all, but most of you - are American. Try to demonstrate to the world that the American school system isn't failing. Please? Those of us who are adults and are tired of being referred to as "Stupid Americans" would really appreciate it if you kids would stop living up to that stereotype.

Are we having a bad day Mattifikation? I think you should back off a little. I also find it difficult to read some of the posts, but that is no reason to go off on a tirade.

[SWAT Zombie]

yes there is but isnt it
I would do anything to love
But I won't do that

i know. just joshin' :lol:
and it's 'for love' btw

[mattifikation]

1. I'm always having a bad day. If I ever have a good day... and I honestly believe this... it will be a sign of the Apocalypse. God will literally destroy us all before he lets me have one measly moment of true happiness. Noah's flood? Probably happened when, in a past life, I had a good day. Once upon a time, I was probably a dinosaur enjoying my first good dino-day ever when the meteor came. World War II probably started when a past self had a mediocre day.

2. Tirades are fun. Some of the most memorable lines from literature and film are actually tirades of one sort or another. I'm not saying that my posts on ATZ will ever be ranked as highly as a Shakespearean play, but I am saying that they should be. Why? Because I'm awesome, that's why.

3. I'm not asking for a lot. An extra moment for each post, tops. Everyone would benefit. We'd all be able to understand each other. The people I'm asking this of would get some practice with their spelling, grammar, and punctuation. This would carry over into their school - and later on, their professional lives - and quite possibly help them become more successful people later on. Yes, language is that important.

[Bob]

If you think that was a tirade you too bad you didn't get to read the one I wrote and deleted.

If you want to be treated like a moron or a fool present yourself as one.
If you want to be treated like an intelligent individual present yourself as one.

Do you understand or should I say it again speaking slowly and using smaller words?

[Zombreach]

If you think that was a tirade you too bad you didn't get to read the one I wrote and deleted.

If you want to be treated like a moron or a fool present yourself as one.
If you want to be treated like an intelligent individual present yourself as one.

Do you understand or should I say it again speaking slowly and using smaller words?

I'm going to pretend that your statement is not directed at me although I am the one that said he was on a tirade. I understand what both of you are saying, but I think there are nicer ways to say it. Have some compassion for people--name calling is immature and without class.

[Creeping Death]

Wow, and you guys wonder why your posts get deleted. :-|

[556superman]

As far as incorrect punctuation and grammar on my part it is just because I don't feel like trying to be perfect in a forum that I am a part of for my leisure and relaxation. I work 2 full time jobs and attend college full time; and to keep my scholarships I put all of my extra effort into projects and papers that actually affect my life. If you do not understand something that is said just ask, don't get angry about it, because getting angry just makes others angry and then you just come off as a troll.

[mattifikation]

Wow, and you guys wonder why your posts get deleted. :-|

I understand your point, but when half the posts we make get merged, moved, or deleted anyways it kind of removes the motivation to not be blunt about things that piss us off.

I think it's hilarious that most of the golden children on this site are exactly that: Children. What's not so hilarious is this: I've been coming to this site for years. There are people here that I really enjoy talking to and - more importantly - learning from. It's the first web site on my bookmark toolbar, and usually the second website I check after Myspace. Lately it's been getting crowded out with kids who are barely out of middle school.

It's degraded to the point where these damn kids can type "Lol tht wuz wut i thout 2 but chainzaw ftw!" 6 times in a thread and nobody does shit about it, but if you try to start a new and interesting topic that actually provokes thought then your entire fvcking thread disappears into some 60 page super thread.

Anyone who doesn't see why that would piss me off or send me into a "tirade" after I've spent years contributing to this site and making friends here can frankly bite my ass.

[556superman]

Anyone who doesn't see why that would piss me off or send me into a "tirade" after I've spent years contributing to this site and making friends here can frankly bite my ass.

Just ignore them, a wise man once said "DON'T FEED THE TROLL".

[homelitexl]

and a wise troll once said i made a poopy also other than a power source vault 666 is in workin order

[hotlead]

Matt, Bob, don't listen to them, git 'em, and git 'em good :clap:

+1 Homelite, to whatever you said :doh:

[SWAT Zombie]

If I can't understand a post, which happens pretty frequently, I usually just skip it. It can get frustrating though if it happens too much. But, Matt, for what it's worth, you've actually inspired me to start being more mindful of how I type my posts. Not that I think you were talking about me, I think my posts are pretty clear, but I've decided to take more time to structure and punctuate them more correctly. I'm an aspiring writer (have been for many, many years now. Maybe I'll actually finish one of the five or six books I've started so someone else can read them) so I think I should put a bit more effort into how I write. May not stick though and I'm sure when it's late and I'm tired I'll revert back to old forum posting habits. But, anyway, we'll see. :)

[Bob]

Zombreach

Only the first line was to you unless you were the one that was typing like he was sending a text message on a phone, at least I think that was what he was doing.

The rest is not directed only to Zombreach

Do any of you remember Leet?
I hated that shirt too.
I thought it was stupid and pointless too.
When I send an email or a text message from my phone it is usually business related.
How well do you think it would be received if I typed shorthand?
As a matter of fact I have a sig line letting people know it was sent from my phone.
Business people tend to be more tolerant of misspellings and punctuation when it comes from a phone but only to a degree.
They don't expect to struggle to figure out what you are saying.
An occasional misspelled word or dropped comma is about the limit.
A page full of garbage will get deleted.

But then again if you want to be a garbage man your whole life, more power to you.
I worked damn hard to go from a construction helper to a network administrator for a multimillion dollar company with no formal training.
All I had was a stack of books and drive to do better.
Being well spoken in word and text was an important part of this transition.

I too come here for amusement not to be annoyed.
I don't expect there to be only adults here and I don't expect everyone to conform to my desires spoken and especially unspoken.
I am not the only one who does not read crap posts, if you enjoy typing to yourself try this.
Click on the start button
Click on Programs
Click on Accessories
Click on Notepad
Notepad will not nag you about spelling or grammar like Word does.
Type away to your hearts content.

If you are just here to have fun and be something you are not then you could take a lesson from HomeliteXL.

If you find yourself thinking Frack you Bob, I hope you at least spelled it right in your head.

[kanUsurvive]

I guess some of us were not teenagers once upon a time. Come on man they are pretty young. Like most of us they come to this site for fun. Who cares about some mispelled words and bad grammar? It's not like we are typing on here to get into Yale or something. Who also cares about what foreign countries think about us? If you know your not stupid then why care if someone thousands of miles away thinks you are. America is the most powerful country in the world. That is why people hate and talk about us. That's all they can do. Lay off on the kids. You were once a young person. You probably did some stuff back then that people thought were dumb.
I read what people type on here all the time about how nice it is to come on here and that everyone gets along. Let us try and keep it that way. There is no need to get all bent out of shape over that stuff. Don't read it and move on. A mispelled word is that hard to read. Unless it looks like this (hioijdhf).


Back on topic.

Zombreach lives down in North Carolina. I'm sure she is close to mountains like I am in Virginia. We could find a good high mountain somewhere in between.

[CAVU45]

This has taken an interesting turn. Like Matt and Bob I find it very frustrating to read some of the posts here. Many are damned near incomprehensible. When asked for clarification, the poster sometimes gets an attitude, typing the same junk that illicited the resposne for clarification. If one wants to be understood then it stands to reason that one would take the time to properly structure the post, checking the spelling and grammar. No one is getting bent out of shape over a few misspelled words or dropped punctuation. But some of the posts here read like a brain damaged, drunken dyslexic with a real bad case of touretts has attacked a keyboard. Who else cares what foreign countries think about us? How about those of us who've actually had to go to those countries and have, at the very least, had to endure the embarrassment of the stereotype associated with the "typical dumb American". Yes, this is all basically for "shits and grins", but even here doesn't it make sense to try to be understood?

[Zombreach]

I guess some of us were not teenagers once upon a time. Come on man they are pretty young. Like most of us they come to this site for fun. Who cares about some mispelled words and bad grammar? It's not like we are typing on here to get into Yale or something. Who also cares about what foreign countries think about us? If you know your not stupid then why care if someone thousands of miles away thinks you are. America is the most powerful country in the world. That is why people hate and talk about us. That's all they can do. Lay off on the kids. You were once a young person. You probably did some stuff back then that people thought were dumb.
I read what people type on here all the time about how nice it is to come on here and that everyone gets along. Let us try and keep it that way. There is no need to get all bent out of shape over that stuff. Don't read it and move on. A mispelled word is that hard to read. Unless it looks like this (hioijdhf).


Back on topic.

Zombreach lives down in North Carolina. I'm sure she is close to mountains like I am in Virginia. We could find a good high mountain somewhere in between.

I'm joining up with kanUsurvive, in the mountains, because he is one of the few on here that does not belittle people for who they are. I have never really cared what other people have thought of me. I do what I do because it suits me, not because someone prefers me that way. Being female and loving zombies has always gotten me strange looks--even from my husband. If someone from another country thinks I'm stupid...so what...I know different. If someone's posts are so annoying to you, put them on your ignore list!

Rant over!

BTW Bob--I wrote in my favorite color just to annoy you! :)

[Bob]

I am now unclear on who was the one typing like a dyslexic monkey smoking crack.

Why are y'all defending stupidity?

According to Merriam-Webster, the words "stupid" and "stupidity" enter the English language in 1541. Since then, stupidity has taken place along with "fool," "idiot," "dumb," "moron," and related concepts as a pejorative appellation for human misdeeds, whether purposeful or accidental, due to absence of mental capacity.

The modern English word "stupid" has a broad range of application, from being slow of mind (indicating a lack of intelligence, care or reason), dullness of feeling or sensation (torpidity, senseless, insensitivity), or lacking interest or point (vexing, exasperating). It can either infer a congenital lack of capacity for reasoning, or a temporary state of daze or slow-mindedness.

http://www.stupidityawards.com/News.html

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7869/905bartsimpsonchalkboar.png

[Zombreach]

I am now unclear on who was the one typing like a dyslexic monkey smoking crack.

Why are y'all defending stupidity?

According to Merriam-Webster, the words "stupid" and "stupidity" enter the English language in 1541. Since then, stupidity has taken place along with "fool," "idiot," "dumb," "moron," and related concepts as a pejorative appellation for human misdeeds, whether purposeful or accidental, due to absence of mental capacity.

The modern English word "stupid" has a broad range of application, from being slow of mind (indicating a lack of intelligence, care or reason), dullness of feeling or sensation (torpidity, senseless, insensitivity), or lacking interest or point (vexing, exasperating). It can either infer a congenital lack of capacity for reasoning, or a temporary state of daze or slow-mindedness.

http://www.stupidityawards.com/News.html

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/7869/905bartsimpsonchalkboar.png

I'm not defending stupidity, I'm defending the people who are not as intelligent as you obviously are....or seem to think you are...

[mattifikation]

Have I started a war?

Look, I'm not trying to troll here. I'm just begging people to use sentences. I'm no grammar Nazi. I'm not a spelling bee champion. I'm not going to go off the wall over a few typos or punctuation errors. I'm just asking people to make sense.

And yes, whether it offends you or not, if you never make sense in your posts then I'll probably think you're an idiot and I'll probably treat you like one. Like Bob said earlier, there's a simple solution: If you want to be treated like an intelligent person, act like one.

[Bob]

OOOO that Burned
You insulted me.
Purity is a binary condition now you can never go back.
Now you are no better than me.

In the words of Wanda
Scorch
Pow!



If you would but re-read my posts I was not insulting you.
I made a comment to you and went on to insult whomever it was that was abusing and debasing my native language.

[556superman]

Can we all just calm down? No one is a zombie here, so why all the hate? Zombies are the real bad spellers and their grammar is atrocious, and that is why we choose to kill them. We don't kill zombies to save our lives or because they want our brains, no we do it for the simple fact of them being so daft that we hate them. Now let us GET THE **** BACK ON THE ****ING TOPIC AND CALM THE ****ING HELL DOWN.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

MHHHHMMMM i say we all meet on golden gate bridge hehehe bridge go boom lol while im on the otherside with a few choice members id like to keep around.

[Bob]

I am calm.
I was never not calm.
It's the others that are worked up.

Scorch
Pow!

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

its okay bob u can come to my sidethen u can laugh at the others hahaha

[mattifikation]

We should make our rally point be in a big library. :lol::lol::lol:

[SWAT Zombie]

Yeah and we can use Harry Potter and Twilight books as kindling.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, that's right. Burn those awful Twilight books!

...

I'll pretend that's all I heard.

[kanUsurvive]

Matt,Bob, you guys go ahead and meet in your library. Have fun being miserable there. Like you guys obviously are. Starting a huge off topic rant about people not spelling right. Some people might not be as educated as you think you are. Or really might not care about what people on a forum think if they spell some words wrong. If it is as uncomprehensible as you all say they posts are. Then don't even acknowledge them. Deadly for you to side with the grammar and spelling police is funny. Look at your last post. It is poor in both categories. I don't care though. I can read posts like that and it doesn't bother me. You better watch out though. They will get angry with you.


Zombreach, you pick a nice mountain top with some caves and we will hold out there. We can write our life story while we are there. Maybe someday they will be found by later generations. Make sure to bring a dictionary so we don't mispell. We don't want our native language to be made fun of or whatever.

[SWAT Zombie]

Yeah, that's right. Burn those awful Twilight books!

...

I'll pretend that's all I heard.

If you wanted to punish me you could always burn a pile of Warhammer 40,000 books.

[mattifikation]

They made a whole pile? :-p

[SWAT Zombie]

I have over 50 and that's not all of them.

er, I mean, yes they did. Just to burn in case I misbehave.

[Bob]

I am sure I will enjoy being surrounded by great literature.
The crap we will burn to keep warm.

[mattifikation]

After a few years, some of those books will be more valuable than gold for the information they hold within them. If you're in a modern library with newer books - especially in the science section - you could be setting yourself up for some major benefits later on.

[SWAT Zombie]

Where ever the rallying point is can it be somewhere cool? It's about 40 degrees Celsuis here right now and I think I'm melting.

[CAVU45]

I am sure I will enjoy being surrounded by great literature.
The crap we will burn to keep warm.

I'll join you in the library. They're great resources for vital information that can't be had hiding out in a cave.

[Zombreach]

I'll join you in the library. They're great resources for vital information that can't be had hiding out in a cave.

Ah...but we'll have a dictionary in the cave! :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist! :evil: :)

[homelitexl]

vault 666 has repair manuels porn science books chemistry war strategy books doctors books survival books and comics so i guess im set anyone else wanna join me

[kanUsurvive]

Ah...but we'll have a dictionary in the cave! :lol:

Sorry, couldn't resist! :evil: :)

At least we will know the correct spelling and meanings of words in our cave.

I hope you don't think reading those books will automatically give you the gift of being able to do what they say. Also, I doubt the books have in them the actual stuff you need to do whatever it is your reading about.

[Dark Gale]

Where is your starting point?

A bit late of a reply, but, Southern California. Right near LA. I wouldn't have enough supplies to make it out of the state let alone half way across the country.

[Zombreach]

A bit late of a reply, but, Southern California. Right near LA. I wouldn't have enough supplies to make it out of the state let alone half way across the country.

Supplies you could pick up along the way--it's more the obstacles you encounter that would be worrisome. Having moved to North Carolina recently will definitely decrease my odds of making it to Michigan, let alone Mackinac Island. I think the cave idea is becoming more desirable. :)

[kanUsurvive]

Yeah, there are a lot of caves in these mountains. They have fresh water that run through them. The water is naturally filtered as it runs underground through the rocks. Plus all the wild animals that are in the mountains around the caves. Then the mountains themselves make a natural obstacle for people and zeds. The caves are a really good idea. Plus they stay a constant temperature all year around.

[Zombreach]

Yeah, there are a lot of caves in these mountains. They have fresh water that run through them. The water is naturally filtered as it runs underground through the rocks. Plus all the wild animals that are in the mountains around the caves. Then the mountains themselves make a natural obstacle for people and zeds. The caves are a really good idea. Plus they stay a constant temperature all year around.

Not to mention all the fun that can be had spelunking! :)

[kanUsurvive]

I love spelunking. I have pictures on my myspace of me and friends spelunking in a huge cave we found. The caption actually sais our spelunking adventure. haha

[CAVU45]

At least we will know the correct spelling and meanings of words in our cave.

I hope you don't think reading those books will automatically give you the gift of being able to do what they say. Also, I doubt the books have in them the actual stuff you need to do whatever it is your reading about.

Who said anything about looking to books for that reason? Sorry, I have no plans to read a book to tell me how to fight, or shoot, or defend myself in any other way. You think there are only books at a library? There are other resources that will prove invaluable in a PAW.

[homelitexl]

i geuss ill be the only one enjoyin vault 666 then

[mattifikation]

The information in books can vastly speed up the amount of time it would take to build a new civilization. Why do you think we put information in books? Anything you do in this world requires two things: The knowledge and the skill. The knowledge is the hard part. Knowledge can take generations to develop, while skill - for most things - can be learned over years.

For example, modern medicine is the end result of all of human history being spent devising ways to live longer. Yeah, it takes years and years and years for a person to learn how to be a skilled doctor. Nobody will argue with you about that. But it took millennia for mankind to learn what we know about being a doctor now.

If you'd prefer a more practical example, think about this one. Let's assume for the sake of the example (since I don't know if you do) that you don't know how to navigate by the stars. Would you rather just look up in the air and start figuring out how to do it when it comes time to go trekking overland, or would you rather have a book that explains what you're supposed to be doing?

Another thing to remember is that eventually - hopefully - civilization will be rebuilt somewhere. To the people of that civilization, any and all information stored from the past will be treasure. Language, history, art, science, all of it. If you don't believe me, head down to your nearest museum. Point at something. Ask, "how much?"

[SWAT Zombie]

i geuss ill be the only one enjoyin vault 666 then

What's vault 666?

[kanUsurvive]

Who said anything about looking to books for that reason? Sorry, I have no plans to read a book to tell me how to fight, or shoot, or defend myself in any other way. You think there are only books at a library? There are other resources that will prove invaluable in a PAW.

What are some of those other resources at a library?

Matt I understand and agree with what your saying. Books on medicine and all that would be helpful. I'm just saying that simply reading the books will not help if you don't have the outside resources. I'm not talking about all the stuff your saying. I knew all of that. Just holding up in a library reading the books will not be enough. You have to have the means and resources to do what the books say.

[mattifikation]

I wouldn't read the books that aren't already about stuff I'm interested in. The real benefit would be in trading value. Most of the OPEC countries don't have any refining capability whatsoever, but they're rolling in money (or at least their dictators are) because they have the raw product to sell. Same thing with a library, except the raw product would be knowledge.

[CAVU45]

What are some of those other resources at a library?

Matt I understand and agree with what your saying. Books on medicine and all that would be helpful. I'm just saying that simply reading the books will not help if you don't have the outside resources. I'm not talking about all the stuff your saying. I knew all of that. Just holding up in a library reading the books will not be enough. You have to have the means and resources to do what the books say.

Maps for one, and I don't mean city road maps either. utilities maps would be available. Those would allow one to journey underground from point a to point b relatively safely. Then as Matt rightly pointed out the tech books would be invaluable. Though the books themselves wouldn't help without the outside resources as you rightly pointed out, those resources certainly wouldn't be found in a cave way out in the middle of bum****, nor would one know how to properly use those resources that are available without the knowledge found in the books.

[CAVU45]

What's vault 666?

That's Homelites secret underground bunker, so he says. I believe it's really a rotgut whiskey he makes in his backyard.

[Zombreach]

I am surprised that we are truly arguing over whether a cave or library would be a better rally point! :lol: There are some very strong points against a library despite the wonderful supply of invaluable information abundant in them.

For one, a library is located in the heart of a city--so are the zeds!

Secondly, most libraries have an entire wall of glass--better to see their wares. I thinks the zombies would love to watch their buffet in action--reading their books!

I am an avid reader and love going to the library, but during a zombie outbreak I would steer clear of it..and Wal-Mart, the local church, bar, etc. And I also firmly believe most of you would to.

In a cave, a group can have the luxury of time to plan, gather their defenses and train their members. It would be a lot safer than a library. And if knowledge is needed, the library can always be a place to raid after your group is trained and ready to encounter the hordes!

As a side note: Of course, a cave would also lack any luxuries that many of us have become used to--but hey, I'm a girl and if I can do it, so can a bunch of strong, testosterone filled men! :)

[unnamedbaby77]

We can all rally at my house if you guys want...AZ rocks for weapon and ammo scavenging and there are TONS of environmental options available up here from empty woods/plains/mountains/deserts to empty mansions/bunkers/survival compounds/resorts and so on....
Also this place has a small population...so anyone comin?

[CAVU45]

I am surprised that we are truly arguing over whether a cave or library would be a better rally point! :lol: There are some very strong points against a library despite the wonderful supply of invaluable information abundant in them.

For one, a library is located in the heart of a city--so are the zeds!

Secondly, most libraries have an entire wall of glass--better to see their wares. I thinks the zombies would love to watch their buffet in action--reading their books!

I am an avid reader and love going to the library, but during a zombie outbreak I would steer clear of it..and Wal-Mart, the local church, bar, etc. And I also firmly believe most of you would to.

In a cave, a group can have the luxury of time to plan, gather their defenses and train their members. It would be a lot safer than a library. And if knowledge is needed, the library can always be a place to raid after your group is trained and ready to encounter the hordes!

As a side note: Of course, a cave would also lack any luxuries that many of us have become used to--but hey, I'm a girl and if I can do it, so can a bunch of strong, testosterone filled men! :)

You make some good points. But answer me this. Do caves have front doors, or even doors at all?

[homelitexl]

vault 666 is an old fallout bunker thats rather large i found out in the backwoods nearby town i have the owners permission to use it cause he dont care and its rather large

[sk8rmichael]

I am surprised that we are truly arguing over whether a cave or library would be a better rally point! :lol: There are some very strong points against a library despite the wonderful supply of invaluable information abundant in them.

For one, a library is located in the heart of a city--so are the zeds!

Secondly, most libraries have an entire wall of glass--better to see their wares. I thinks the zombies would love to watch their buffet in action--reading their books!

I am an avid reader and love going to the library, but during a zombie outbreak I would steer clear of it..and Wal-Mart, the local church, bar, etc. And I also firmly believe most of you would to.

In a cave, a group can have the luxury of time to plan, gather their defenses and train their members. It would be a lot safer than a library. And if knowledge is needed, the library can always be a place to raid after your group is trained and ready to encounter the hordes!

As a side note: Of course, a cave would also lack any luxuries that many of us have become used to--but hey, I'm a girl and if I can do it, so can a bunch of strong, testosterone filled men! :)

im a boy scout ive literaly went camping in a cave it was huge if ur talking about some thing like some of the huge caves might not be a good idea zombies could sneak in from every wear but like a 1 or 2 entrance cave would be almost perfect except your most likealy gona have to hike in supiles (like in boy scouts) trust me carrying a 70lb pack for 8 miles is nottt fun lol but other than that if its in the wilderness like the one by my house there is deer and foxes and other animals you could hunt and so forth but honestly why on eart would any one want to stay ina libraary?! if some one threw a molotave in it whole place would light up

[mattifikation]

Well, I originally mentioned the library thing as joke. It was another swipe at the illiteracy rate in this country. It turned into a discussion of the value of books, and not really the pros and cons of the library building itself.

If you picked a library in a small enough town, you'd probably be alright. Most of the looters will be off looking for Wal-Marts, gun stores, and TV stores. I guess it all depends on where everything else in town is. I'm rambling now, but have you ever noticed that people always steal TVs when they're about to die? What's the thinking there? "Oh hell no, I'm not dyin' till I see the Pamela Lee tapes on a 52 inch!"



I am surprised that we are truly arguing over whether a cave or library would be a better rally point! :lol: There are some very strong points against a library despite the wonderful supply of invaluable information abundant in them.

For one, a library is located in the heart of a city--so are the zeds!

Secondly, most libraries have an entire wall of glass--better to see their wares. I thinks the zombies would love to watch their buffet in action--reading their books!

I am an avid reader and love going to the library, but during a zombie outbreak I would steer clear of it..and Wal-Mart, the local church, bar, etc. And I also firmly believe most of you would to.

In a cave, a group can have the luxury of time to plan, gather their defenses and train their members. It would be a lot safer than a library. And if knowledge is needed, the library can always be a place to raid after your group is trained and ready to encounter the hordes!

As a side note: Of course, a cave would also lack any luxuries that many of us have become used to--but hey, I'm a girl and if I can do it, so can a bunch of strong, testosterone filled men! :)

[massacre07]

Well, I originally mentioned the library thing as joke. It was another swipe at the illiteracy rate in this country. It turned into a discussion of the value of books, and not really the pros and cons of the library building itself.

If you picked a library in a small enough town, you'd probably be alright. Most of the looters will be off looking for Wal-Marts, gun stores, and TV stores. I guess it all depends on where everything else in town is. I'm rambling now, but have you ever noticed that people always steal TVs when they're about to die? What's the thinking there? "Oh hell no, I'm not dyin' till I see the Pamela Lee tapes on a 52 inch!"

I do not think a library would be a terrible place to hold up in, I would rate it no worse than an office building.
Consider that libraries have an abundant amount of wood furniture that cold be disassembled and rebuilt into barricades or to re-enforce windows.
A lot of newer libraries being built in my city and the small towns around were built with solar panels.
Aside from trading books, which I believe people will want as a form of entertainment or possible to increase their personal knowledge there will be volumes of worthless garbage to burn to create heat or signal fires.
Many libraries I have been to do not have many entrances/exits, these would easily be barricaded and monitored.
Libraries in small towns are generally close to the center of town. True this means more zombies but if you are stealthy enough after things have calmed down this could prove to your advantage when gathering supplies.

[kanUsurvive]

You make some good points. But answer me this. Do caves have front doors, or even doors at all?



The caves near my house on on ledges over looking a river. Trust me a shambler could not get into it. It's hard enough for most people. So you don't need a front door. The others would be very easy to build a defense in the front. There is plenty of timber in the woods to build barricades.

As for the resources. Naturally flowing water is in most of these caves. Animals in the woods to hunt. That's food and water right there. If you need anything else. Head somewhere to loot.

Plus the caves are far enough of paths so people would have a hard time finding them. I know one entrance to the cave that you have to squeeze into. You would never know it was there if it wasn't showed to you. The main entrance is even hidden over a ledge.

[Krazymouse]

Problem with caves are that if there is a hoard of around 50 or so, you have no escape, or back up plan. (most of the time, most caves have only 1 entrance) And also, when going inside deep into caves, you tend to run out of oxygen and die of asphyxiation. But if you have a good hideout, and a good defense OUTSIDE the cave, you'll probably be fine. :D

[kanUsurvive]

Yeah, there are pros and cons to caves. That's why I'm glad I live in an environment with a lot of caves. I have found a pretty good one. It has a hidden entrance. The main entrance is on a steep ledge and it's a small entrance. No more than 2 zeds could come through at once. Then you could dispose of them pretty easy. Their bodies would block the other ones.

[Bob]

The only caves in the lower part of the state are submerged and most people don't even know they exist.
An island in one of the larger lakes might be a better bet but the skeeters would suck you dry.

[Dark Gale]

My library has a ground floor, basement floor, and second floor. One stairway leading to the basement (Which isn't actually closed off, you can look over the edge of the ground floor and it's more of just a sub-floor beneath the ground floor.) And two staircases leading to the second floor. The only time windows are abundant is on the second floor, there are maybe 3 windows total on the ground floor, and one window on the bottom floor. Two huge iron gates seal off the main entrance, and then the glass automatic doors that most places have these days about 10 feet behind the gate. The walls are solid brick/concrete/etc. And the library is connected to the fire station, so we could use either one. The fire station has all those sliding metal doors to lock the place down, possibly food, weapons, water.

The book cases could easily be used as barricading for any window or door, and the books and barricades could also be used as fire for heat, since the lirbary's heating is from a giant furnace down below the bottom floor.The actual doors inside the library are those large 2-3 inch metal doors that you see in schools these days, and then the safety glass for a small little window on each door (With a few exceptions) Books would provide knowledge, but not experience as others have said. There's also the comfort side to a library, lots of chairs and couches, carpet, it makes it feel very homey and would personally help raise my morale during ZPAW. There's always the roof in a worst case scenario, if by some chance the Zeds are able to break through the large amount of barricading that you would (most likely) have done to keep them out. The only problem would be food and water, since I doubt the library's drinking fountains would be running.

[homelitexl]

i got the vaults filtration and air system workin

[massacre07]

The only caves in the lower part of the state are submerged and most people don't even know they exist.
An island in one of the larger lakes might be a better bet but the skeeters would suck you dry.

I imagine after there a few hundred thousand dead bodies walking around insects will be a problem where ever you go

[Bob]

Oh yea
Insects are going to come back with a vengeance.
There will be swarms of skeeters you would not believe.
Insect repellent will become more valuable than gold.
Malaria will find it's way back into normal conversations.

As bad as mosquitoes and flies are at times there are men who do nothing but eradicate them.
Some of you may be old enough to remember Mosquito foggers driving around.

[kanUsurvive]

Oh yea
Insects are going to come back with a vengeance.
There will be swarms of skeeters you would not believe.
Insect repellent will become more valuable than gold.
Malaria will find it's way back into normal conversations.

As bad as mosquitoes and flies are at times there are men who do nothing but eradicate them.
Some of you may be old enough to remember Mosquito foggers driving around.

I never thought about the flies that would be swarming the bodies. Plus like you guys said the skeeters.I guess that's a major overlooked thing. It seems miner. Then you think about it and it's not. So many diseases that we have controlled would come back in no time. That's when people would want bug spray more than anything. I know I would.

[Zombreach]

I never thought about the flies that would be swarming the bodies. Plus like you guys said the skeeters.I guess that's a major overlooked thing. It seems miner. Then you think about it and it's not. So many diseases that we have controlled would come back in no time. That's when people would want bug spray more than anything. I know I would.

We need a cave with BATS-lots and lots of bats!!! :lol: I'll bring the hand held foggers--we have them at work--kill all them pesky bugs for months!! :evil: I can even bring medications--antibiotics, pain relievers, antihistamines, etc...and bandaging supples. I'm ready--bring on z-day! :) (Anyone have a gun I can borrow? :cry: :))

[homelitexl]

if you show up at vault 666 its in north central arkansas by the way i have plenty of guns

[Zombreach]

if you show up at vault 666 its in north central arkansas by the way i have plenty of guns

I'm not sure I could handle being stuck below ground with a bunch of guys "reading" Playboy and drinking rotgut! :lol:

[unnamedbaby77]

sounds salty ...

Add a few layers of combat stress and no law of any sort and its party

[kiltedninja]

I'm not sure I could handle being stuck below ground with a bunch of guys "reading" Playboy and drinking rotgut! :lol:

If I show up at least one gentleman will be present, so I'm sure that'll be some comfort.:lol:

[homelitexl]

well i was hopin it wouldnt be a total sausage fest

[Birdman44]

well i was hopin it wouldnt be a total sausage fest

To each his own.. :drinking:

[kanUsurvive]

We need a cave with BATS-lots and lots of bats!!! :lol: I'll bring the hand held foggers--we have them at work--kill all them pesky bugs for months!! :evil: I can even bring medications--antibiotics, pain relievers, antihistamines, etc...and bandaging supples. I'm ready--bring on z-day! :) (Anyone have a gun I can borrow? :cry: :))


The caves around here have plenty of bats. Some of the caves even have a species of bats that the cave is the only place in the world they are found. So you bring the foggers and the bats will do the rest. haha

[mattifikation]

Bat caves are a terrible place to live, or even explore. You often have to wear a gas mask or risk death from the ammonia fumes. Bat guano's ammonia concentration is so high that in a confined area such as a cave, it can be imminently lethal.

[Zombreach]

Bat caves are a terrible place to live, or even explore. You often have to wear a gas mask or risk death from the ammonia fumes. Bat guano's ammonia concentration is so high that in a confined area such as a cave, it can be imminently lethal.

You're taking away all my fun...:cry: :lol: Your facts are correct, especially for a very large colony of bats. I want a small colony. Hey, we are fantasizing right? Besides, bat guana is great fertilizer too! :)

[kanUsurvive]

He is right about that. The caves though do not have a high concentration of bats. Like I said it's the only kind of that species. There are not very many in numbers. I have seen maybe 5 the whole time exploring these caves. Now there is one cave that has a lot of bats. That is not the one I'm talking about though.

[mattifikation]

I'm jealous. I know there are caves within day-trip distance of where I live, but I'm not sure where they are. I know there aren't any within practical walking distance, though. :-(

[kanUsurvive]

You should really try and go to some of them. Even if it means walking a littlw ways. They are awesome to explore. It's just cool knowing they have been there for millions of years. If you ever find yourself in Virginia I will take you to some good ones.

[The Boy Scout]

How about broken bow Nebraska? It us small and well supllied... I think it's a good central location!!!

[Dark Gale]

How about broken bow Nebraska?
Food wouldn't be a problem, as long as everyone here loves corn.

[Bob]

Of course we all love corn.
We just like our corn mashed up, fermented, and distilled.

[Zombreach]

Of course we all love corn.
We just like our corn mashed up, fermented, and distilled.

Rotgut anyone? :lol:

[weirdenator]

:drool::drool:rot what

[SWAT Zombie]

Rotgut. Nasty cheap booze.

[homelitexl]

i heard rotgut hell yall get the corn and ill make it how bout that

[unnamedbaby77]

the worst booze I have come across so far is called Rare Reserve ..about $5.50 for a fifth and you could drink the whole fifth andnot get drunk...just sick......It did lead me to meating one of the best people I have ever known and a lady that changed my life...so it wasnt all bad...just gross.

[mattifikation]

I read an article once about the worst alcoholic drinks out there. Apparently there's a type of moonshine brewed in third world countries that has around a 50/50 chance of killing you... :scare:

And this relates to zombies because... uh... don't drink that shit when there's zombies. And it relates to rallying points because... uh... we should not rally in third world countries and drink the moonshine there. Yeah, I brought this one back nicely.

[Zombreach]

I read an article once about the worst alcoholic drinks out there. Apparently there's a type of moonshine brewed in third world countries that has around a 50/50 chance of killing you... :scare:

And this relates to zombies because... uh... don't drink that shit when there's zombies. And it relates to rallying points because... uh... we should not rally in third world countries and drink the moonshine there. Yeah, I brought this one back nicely.

Nice save Mattifikation! :lol:

[homelitexl]

no we should all rally at vault 666 its up in a mountainous part of the area and ill make the liqour

[kanUsurvive]

no we should all rally at vault 666 its up in a mountainous part of the area and ill make the liqour


I here so much about this vault. I wanna see pictures of it.

[unnamedbaby77]

Yeah, and a post listing reasons anyone would come...

[homelitexl]

1 all i could get would be a pictire of the door camera is broken and 2 i got a large library in it and most of the systems are working

[Zombreach]

1 all i could get would be a pictire of the door camera is broken and 2 i got a large library in it and most of the systems are working

Excuses...Excuses...:roll: :)

[homelitexl]

i got a picture of the outside on my computer but til i get a new camera thats all i got and screw u u can show up or not i dont care hell just means more supplies for me

[Zombreach]

i got a picture of the outside on my computer but til i get a new camera thats all i got and screw u u can show up or not i dont care hell just means more supplies for me

Ohh..am I making you mad? :lol: