Searching and grouping with other survivors

[Faran Brigo]

How, why and when would you do it and/or not do it? would you look for a specific person and if so why? and what kind of survivors would you prefer to group with you? people handy with guns or handy with other survival skills? (farming, navigation, carpentry, fishing, metalworking, mechanical skills, etc.)

[Z-Day is very soon]

id do it immediately and id find a doctor that can farma nd know how to shoot well:):lol:

[Evil Pug]

The first thing to think about is, who are most important for short term survival? Then you start to think about the long term survival skills needed.


Ideally you would want a mix of people with different skills. High on the list would be those that have military training or medical skills. Next would be people that have trade skills like electrician, mechanic,ect... Then farmers,hunter/trapper,fisherman ect..

[AN OLD SHOE]

well just think like this..anyone can kill and hunt..man has done that for thousands of years...same with farming...


i would get about 5 doctors..each of a different branch(surgeon,nurse,pharmacist...stuff like that)

i would want a sniper....he can teach us all what he knows...

a pilot,carpenter, and finally a mechanic...thats all we would need...maybe a technician or electrician..whatever they are called that deals with basic household electricity...and maybe a history professor...so we can still learn stuff...

i would look for the doctors ASAP! like as soon as i see a zombie im getting all 5 of my doctors!

the next thing i would look for is the mechanic and pilot...the rest i will get whenever or just read books to learn how myself...

[fester_hicks]

I'd take who I could at first and after it calmed down abit, find relevent skills. If actively searching for people: I'd go with a Doctor, herbalist and some kid of McGeyver mechanical whiz.

[AN OLD SHOE]

well thats true...when it first hits the fan i would grab my 2 best friends...and about a dozen hot chicks....then when everything cools down i will find what i need...

[fester_hicks]

Long-term, that would be a long list but I'd definately put a farmer up there on the top of the list. Can shoot and grow crops.

[AN OLD SHOE]

thats true...but when needed everyone can shoot..and learn to farm...its almost instinct.... :clap:

[Zombie Buffet]

I'd seek out loved ones first, but after that, I would definitely want a doctor, someone with military training, and someone with farming experience. I would immediately seek out family, and then once we got the situation assessed (news, internet, radio, etc) we could better plot out our next move as far as where and how to seek out other survivors.

[AN OLD SHOE]

in reality i would just grab my girlfriend, my best friend, and a battle field doctor...one that can do everything needed...thats all i would need really...

[Zombreach]

The only people I would search for would be my husband and son, if we were not together already. The rest of my family is too far away--14 hours by car! This I would do right away. The more time that had passed, the less likely that I would find them.

Afterwards, I would not seek out any certain type of person. Any survivors will do. Anyone who can survive a zombie attack has already got survival skills that will be useful. A strong leader is a must. Unfortunately, a lot of the doctors would be killed at the hospitals, so doctors will be hard to find..let alone 5 of them.:lol:

A lot of skills can be learned. I would rather be with a group of people that are trust-worthy and unified than people just gathered for their skills.

[Zombie Buffet]

Zombreach, you make a lot of good points here. It would be wonderful to find a group of survivors that were all trustworthy and working towards a common goal. :)

[Zombreach]

Zombreach, you make a lot of good points here. It would be wonderful to find a group of survivors that were all trustworthy and working towards a common goal. :)



Thank you Zombie-B!

[Faran Brigo]

McGeyver mechanical whiz.

Not fair, McGeyver could solve the zombie apocalypse with duct tape, WD-40, chewing gum and a box of paper clips!


Seriously though, farming and hunting are a lot more difficult than they sound, especially farming. And I think food is lower in priority than security, but definitely higher than repair or build skills. Can't fight or build on an empty stomach.

[Behemoth]

well just think like this..anyone can kill and hunt..man has done that for thousands of years...same with farming...


i would get about 5 doctors..each of a different branch(surgeon,nurse,pharmacist...stuff like that)

i would want a sniper....he can teach us all what he knows...

a pilot,carpenter, and finally a mechanic...thats all we would need...maybe a technician or electrician..whatever they are called that deals with basic household electricity...and maybe a history professor...so we can still learn stuff...

i would look for the doctors ASAP! like as soon as i see a zombie im getting all 5 of my doctors!

the next thing i would look for is the mechanic and pilot...the rest i will get whenever or just read books to learn how myself...

not very realistic, think about it, the world is going belly up & you're walking around saying "oh what do you do buddy" i'm an accountant "see ya" :)

well i'm just gonna hope to find stable minded people, i'm a pilot & i worked as a mechanic in my youth, i'd just find nearest airport & fly out with my gang, although the size of the group might mean that some would have to travel by road.

[AN OLD SHOE]

well i guess i would settle for stable minded people...i would give every survivor a chance...i would spend the day with them and if they didnt seem right to me..id leave em...

[Webber]

Anybody who isn't a psycho will do, more eyes to keep watch. Though, if I'm on the move I don't think I'd want a group bigger then 8 people, but again I wouldn't say no to someone who genuinely needs my help. Think about it, you're on the move early in the outbreak, but you're being picky about who you let in your group. Say you only have 1 other person so far, well you guys are gonna have a lot of sleepless nights.

[Behemoth]

Anybody who isn't a psycho will do, more eyes to keep watch My next point sort of hopes you have seen the film, No Country for Old Men, lets say you have your loved ones with you, your vehicle is low on gas, you have decided to head to Mexico. Ok, you see a gas station no visable signs of zombie or human. You stop the car, you all exit & have a look around. You see nothing, so you go to put gas in the tank, ( the pump is working ) you fill up, put the cap back on & you see mr psycho ( i forget the characters name ) in the front seat, he "invites" himself along.
Any ideas?

[Darkness]

My next point sort of hopes you have seen the film, No Country for Old Men, lets say you have your loved ones with you, your vehicle is low on gas, you have decided to head to Mexico. Ok, you see a gas station no visable signs of zombie or human. You stop the car, you all exit & have a look around. You see nothing, so you go to put gas in the tank, ( the pump is working ) you fill up, put the cap back on & you see mr psycho ( i forget the characters name ) in the front seat, he "invites" himself along.
Any ideas?

"Three things come to mind, Tasers, Tranquillizer Guns and/or a brick to the head." :evil: :lol:

[AN OLD SHOE]

yes...kill him...anybody who just sneaks up like that and doesnt introduce himself and stuff deserves a death or a gruesome beat down...that would just scare me into thinking he was a zombie or a psycho...kill him!

well in the innitial outbreak i will take the helpless and the lost...i will help out everyone as long as it doesnt put me in to much danger...

i would basically give everyone a chance to come with me or whatever...unless they look like they are trouble(i dont know if anyone else does this but i can usually pick a bad egg out of a crowd...what they wear or how they look isnt how i do it)

i would try and save almost everyone i guess...and give them the option of coming with me or not...anyone who stats trouble with me though or who tries to boss me around...i will set them straight...

[Behemoth]

"Three things come to mind, Tasers, Tranquillizer Guns and/or a brick to the head." :evil: :lol:
Ermm, have you seen the film? This guy is more dangerous than 100 zombies, he walks around with a suppressed shotgun, all this guy does is kill things. There is a great line from the film, i cannot quote verbatim, but woody harlesons( spelt surname wrong i think ) character says you've seen him, well that's kinda strange cause you should be a dead man.

[MouthBreather]

I think what my concept of zombie survival boils down to is simply self-preservation. Can I do this alone? No. Do I need a huge crew of people to cover the entire spectrum in some under-the-radar microcosm? No.

I wouldn't really worry much about recruiting. As soon as I caught wind of impending doom, I'd gather up everyone I personally know:family, friends etc... and meet at the safest point I can think of. After that: no one else. Even if a family member shows up an hour late I'm not taking that chance. Further, I would dispatch the latecomer. Cold? Yes. Logical? Yes. I'll get to this point in a moment.

As far as recruiting doctors: no reason to. Once something happens (broken leg, severe flu, pregnancy) that is detrimental to the survival of the group, I would dispatch the malady.

I have a very simple equation I would follow with regards to who is allowed to stay in the group after the initial outbreak: value to the group must be equal to or greater than the amount of goods consumed.

As to why I would dispatch someone instead of simply turning them away: kill them as human and not be forced to deal with them later as part of the zombie legion. The weaklings you turn away for the sake of morals, or integrity, or soft heartedness are the same people that will be shuffling to your location dying to dine on your face.

If this seems a little harsh, just let me leave you with this: if my leg broke, or if I was late, or if I consumed more than I provided I would absolutely have no hard feelings at being killed for the interest of the group.

[Webber]

I think what my concept of zombie survival boils down to is simply self-preservation. Can I do this alone? No. Do I need a huge crew of people to cover the entire spectrum in some under-the-radar microcosm? No.

I wouldn't really worry much about recruiting. As soon as I caught wind of impending doom, I'd gather up everyone I personally know:family, friends etc... and meet at the safest point I can think of. After that: no one else. Even if a family member shows up an hour late I'm not taking that chance. Further, I would dispatch the latecomer. Cold? Yes. Logical? Yes. I'll get to this point in a moment.

As far as recruiting doctors: no reason to. Once something happens (broken leg, severe flu, pregnancy) that is detrimental to the survival of the group, I would dispatch the malady.

I have a very simple equation I would follow with regards to who is allowed to stay in the group after the initial outbreak: value to the group must be equal to or greater than the amount of goods consumed.

As to why I would dispatch someone instead of simply turning them away: kill them as human and not be forced to deal with them later as part of the zombie legion. The weaklings you turn away for the sake of morals, or integrity, or soft heartedness are the same people that will be shuffling to your location dying to dine on your face.

If this seems a little harsh, just let me leave you with this: if my leg broke, or if I was late, or if I consumed more than I provided I would absolutely have no hard feelings at being killed for the interest of the group.


Although I understand the logic behind your thinking, it just isn't practical, or sane for that matter.

A) If people see you shoot someone for coming down with the common cold, since you believe they wont be able to run because their nose is stuffy, then I don't think a mutiny would be too far in your future.

B) You're going to have the dead walking around, and other dead just dead. Sickness will be everywhere my friend. If you shoot someone for becoming ill, you'll most likely have no one else by the end of the month because with all the stuff in the air from the decaying bodies, I'm sure everyone will get something.

C) I think it'd be a bit harder to actually kill your immediate family members then you may believe. Especially for something like the flu. If they were zombies, thats one thing, but for an illness that will go away within a short time frame its just....stupid.

When the time comes to it, I'm sure you'll have your mind set on what you believe, but what about the people around you? As I said earlier, if you kill someone for something so small, then you won't be in charge long.

[MouthBreather]

Although I understand the logic behind your thinking, it just isn't practical, or sane for that matter.

A) If people see you shoot someone for coming down with the common cold, since you believe they wont be able to run because their nose is stuffy, then I don't think a mutiny would be too far in your future.

B) You're going to have the dead walking around, and other dead just dead. Sickness will be everywhere my friend. If you shoot someone for becoming ill, you'll most likely have no one else by the end of the month because with all the stuff in the air from the decaying bodies, I'm sure everyone will get something.

C) I think it'd be a bit harder to actually kill your immediate family members then you may believe. Especially for something like the flu. If they were zombies, thats one thing, but for an illness that will go away within a short time frame its just....stupid.

When the time comes to it, I'm sure you'll have your mind set on what you believe, but what about the people around you? As I said earlier, if you kill someone for something so small, then you won't be in charge long.


I think perhaps I didn't stress quite enough the point of the malady needing to affect the group. For instance, I wouldn't instantly shoot someone that coughs. It goes back to the formula. And judging the amount of work brought to the table versus the goods consumed takes time to calculate.

I'm sure when the time came down to it, all of my hypothetical planning would go out the window. It's doubtful that I could, when ultimately pressed, kill my family, or at least most of them.

As for your second point about lasting longer than a month, if the zed outbreak is as bad as I assume it would be, based on the notion of panic and the rapid progession of the virus, I doubt anyone would last more than a few weeks. Plan all we want, in the end it just turns into a sheer numbers game.

Lastly, I never really considered the notion of streets absolutely riddled with contamination. I guess it was one of those things that I overlooked due to movies making the post-zombie world seem barren. But now that I consider that, it sort of makes the whole Z-Day scenario seem that much more hopeless for humans. I still wouldn't attempt to recruit a doctor, but I might consider a slightly more open-door-policy, at least early in the stages of the outbreak.

[Barbara]

Most of all...I want calm and collected people.


No crazies please.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

Occupation has absolutely nothing to do with value. Most of us have read some TWD comics. There's a girl in there that is the groups sniper and best shot. Before the outbreak she was a secretary at a law firm who had never even shot a gun before.

Talents will fall naturally into place among a random group of survivors. When you have a lot of people who know a little bit about a lot of different things it's only natural for everyone to learn and become good at things needed to survive.


Mouthbreather, I can understand your concept of pull your weight. The only thing is, when it all comes down to it I really don't think you will have time to keep record of every little task each group member does. Just to have these people around you to keep morale up would make it worth them being there. I really don't think that it would matter if they "pulled their weight." There really would be no choice but everyone work together to survive.


Also what about babies? or small kids? They are going to be a HUGE disability to the group and won't be able to do much to help, let alone survive themselves. Are you going to kill them? just because they don't know better? I sure hope not because those kids and babies are the only hope left of continuing the human race. Your every priority should be to keep them alive and train them to survive in the world they now live in. Turn every child into a "Spartan" per-say.

[Darkness]

"You make some good points, UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs, and well said, imo."

Ermm, have you seen the film? This guy is more dangerous than 100 zombies, he walks around with a suppressed shotgun, all this guy does is kill things. There is a great line from the film, i cannot quote verbatim, but woody harlesons( spelt surname wrong i think ) character says you've seen him, well that's kinda strange cause you should be a dead man.

"People die in those types of situtations because they make stupid mistakes. Like you're suppose to hit him over the head with the brick, WHILE you have him immobilized with the taser. After all, he IS a psychopath, right? Or is he?" :evil:

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

What's that over there?! Taze!!!!!SMASH!!!!! there you did it! no more bad guy!:clap:

[skullwarrior]

id go by myself honestly unless i ran into a fellow ATZ member in trouble. other then that id stay away from any screams and/or groups of zeds. and maybe id let people into my group if they agreed that i or someone with as much or more zombie exp be the leader.

and of course id help children. i aint heartless. even though on multiple happenings ive been called a cold heartless and you all know what the next word is.

[fester_hicks]

I'd be very picky about letting outsiders into my group in Ellworth. I wouldn't want an problems with my plans and stronghold.

[Headless Lynx]

I sound selfish but I wouldn't let anyone join me. I'd go lone ranger. lol:guns: People would just get in the way and would mean that you have to look after them.

Going lone ranger is better than staying in a group anyway because there wouldn't be anyone else to look after, apart from yourself which is easy enough. you don't need a doctor because there wouldn't be anyone injured and if you are badly injured and you then get infected, there isn't anyone for you to infect either because you're the only one there. Besides, killing zombies is easier when it's just you, provided that you're not sorrounded.

[fester_hicks]

I'd try to get with as many members of my family and friends.

Ellsworth is a rural town in Central Kansas, pop. 2300 or so and damn near everyone in town has a firearm or 10.

I have alot of gun wielding clansmen in that town as well as friends...

If not that, then I'd find as many Marines as possiable!

SEMPER FI!

[dsfjr1190]

While all of you die searching for a battle field doctors and mechanics, I'll laugh. In the first days of infection most of th doctors and other professional workers will be dead. I'll only stay with my family and friends. If I ever have to leave my hideout and see a girl in trouble I'll save her, but if its a guy he's on his own. I look out for myself first and foremost, but if I can save a helpless damsel I will.

[Jimmy]

I would post my family up in a safe house. Then my dad (ex-Ranger) and I would gather a few of my/his buddies who are/were in the Army and are highly trained in first aid and guerilla warfare. Lastly, I would get on here and try to gather a few individuals from here together, mainly Chewy, DentFoster, and Corpse Grinder. =p

I haven't seen any of them post lately, are they still on here? >_>

[balancedragon]

I would try to find ppl with any basic experience in anything useful for reinforning a place. I would also look for anyone that can or is willing to use a gun. High prority would have to be a person that know some first aid skills, not much sense if a person is bitten or is infected there be no use. The first aid person will be used to help people with injuries from building or searching for others. But the most important one would a have to be a survilist that can help get food, keep us alive, and know about surving harsh conditions.

[Tripoli]

I would say NO! to outsiders. What I want to say is, people that I have NOT made contact with before a ZOMBIE OUTBREAK would be unwelcomed. I would NOT trust them, there is no way to trust an outsiders to be loyal to your group.

[Zombreach]

I would say NO! to outsiders. What I want to say is, people that I have NOT made contact with before a ZOMBIE OUTBREAK would be unwelcomed. I would NOT trust them, there is no way to trust an outsiders to be loyal to your group.


If any of the zombie movies have any truth to them, then you will be a very lonely survivor. There may not be anyone left but outsiders. At the start of an outbreak, most people will be in denial. Those that survive will seek out friends and loved ones. Many will probably die in their quest. Or be bitten...same results. This leaves outsiders. Although there are a lot of untrustworthly people out there, there are also a lot of future friends to be made. I don't think you should rule out strangers so quickly.

[Faran Brigo]

No offense, but I think the people that say going on your own is easier need to try to actually live by themselves for awhile, and I don't mean get your own apartment, I mean try to survive solely on your own work.

Try it for awhile, seriously. Grow your own food, tend your own wounds, fix your own house, take care of your weapons, repair whatever mechanical/electronic contraption you need. While I don't doubt the most survivalism inclined among us will fend decently, the vast majority of us will not, it's that simple. Not even combat alone is simple, there's a reason why the smallest unit in modern armies is the fireteam, more eyes and guns trained on targets means less chance of surprise or being overwhelmed. This is not the only reason, but it's one that applies to fighting zombies in essentially the same way.

Humans are social animals for a reason, and even before there was rule of law or even division of labor, people banded together in clans or tribes or other forms of groups. If being part of a group was as fundamentally fatal for survival as some people here take it, then I'm guessing we'd have never integrated into societies to start with.

[Darkness]

No offense, but I think the people that say going on your own is easier need to try to actually live by themselves for awhile, and I don't mean get your own apartment, I mean try to survive solely on your own work.

Try it for awhile, seriously. Grow your own food, tend your own wounds, fix your own house, take care of your weapons, repair whatever mechanical/electronic contraption you need. While I don't doubt the most survivalism inclined among us will fend decently, the vast majority of us will not, it's that simple. Not even combat alone is simple, there's a reason why the smallest unit in modern armies is the fireteam, more eyes and guns trained on targets means less chance of surprise or being overwhelmed. This is not the only reason, but it's one that applies to fighting zombies in essentially the same way.

Humans are social animals for a reason, and even before there was rule of law or even division of labor, people banded together in clans or tribes or other forms of groups. If being part of a group was as fundamentally fatal for survival as some people here take it, then I'm guessing we'd have never integrated into societies to start with.

"Yeah. Ever notice that the old hermit in the cave is always insane? Take, for example, Tom Hanks' character in Castaway."

[AN OLD SHOE]

tom hanks wasnt insane in castaway...he was just socially challenged :)

but he knew how to survive well and was pure awesome.....

same thing in the book I am Legend....he kinda ended up like tom hanks...same with the movie i am legend...

im sayin the most people i would want with me is 3....so me and 3 other people...becuase thats enough people to drastically improve your work economy...and keep you sane...

2 girls and my best friend josh...that is perfect for us haha...or maybe if i was just agrivated that day i would only have my friend josh..if his parents let him come with me

[fester_hicks]

Wouldnt it be cool to hole up and group up at The Playboy Mansion.

Talk about fighting for the future!

[skullwarrior]

hmm....playboy bunnies wielding tommyguns:drool: and dont forget all the awesome arcade games heffner has in that mansion:drinking::clap::drinking:

[fester_hicks]

i wonder if Zeds would enjoy snacking on silicon??? LMFAO!

tommygun...interesting....

[fester_hicks]

Someone just made me think...

How will you react when the starving masses of survivors find out you are prepared and have food and other supplies?

Its sad when you have to terminate someone because theyre hungry and trying to provide alittle grub for their family but its your survival...

[AN OLD SHOE]

Someone just made me think...

How will you react when the starving masses of survivors find out you are prepared and have food and other supplies?

Its sad when you have to terminate someone because theyre hungry and trying to provide alittle grub for their family but its your survival...

yea...if i had a little to spare i would be nice but if they try and storm me or something they all die..

[DarthJoe8]

I think that if you share what you have then your new friends will help get more stuff. :think:

Assuming they're not D-bags. :drinking:

[vortec1]

I'd try to get with as many members of my family and friends.

Ellsworth is a rural town in Central Kansas, pop. 2300 or so and damn near everyone in town has a firearm or 10.

I have alot of gun wielding clansmen in that town as well as friends...

If not that, then I'd find as many Marines as possiable!

SEMPER FI!

You Scotts clansmen? Wales here plus MARINE! Zombie slayers.:)

[Augustus Desius]

On outsiders, generally I wouldn't want them. They would have to be someone I knew I could trust and rely on. I may have to take a risk and accept one, but they would be on constant watch until I thought I could trust them.

On the group I would take, it would be my immediate family and my fience and dog. Friends would be allowed but we wouldn't travel in the same group (they have family too making the group too large), we would simply stay in contact (rondezvous (sp?) point or something) planned daily. I wouldn't like to go it alone, but I think I could if I managed to survive the first week or so. Injury is a killer in the field without assistance though.

On feeding the hungry, That depends on resources and the level of aggression they attempt to acquire my rations. If they could provide me with information, set up camp, hunt with me, repair tools and weapons, or something else that would give me more time or resources, then I would have little problem giving them something in return. Likewise, I would do what I thought was feasible for their ill, including set up a more prolonged camp in order to provide shelter and rations, in hopes of perhaps having the stronger individual assist us later. If met with violence, they would get violence in return.

I don't know if I could turn down or kill the hungry (if provisions are low), especially if they are trying to get food for the sick or young. I would have to work out some kind of compromise, and if we can't come to terms then I guess I would have to turn them away, with violence if it comes to it. I would feel awful for a long while though.

[john154]

The only sorts I wouldn't want in my group of refugees would be teenage kids(you know 14-18). More trouble then their worth. They think they're the shit but really they don't know shit and don't have the constitution to hold up under stressfull situations. This isn't allways the case but more often then not with the sort of youth the USA and Canada are producing these days.

[fester_hicks]

where does STARVING MASSES and what you would do to protect your own stuff and SEARCHING AND GROUPING with other survivors have ANYTHING to do with each other?

I am abit put off that they were grouped together as they are TWO different themes.

Answer please?

[skullwarrior]

The only sorts I wouldn't want in my group of refugees would be teenage kids(you know 14-18). More trouble then their worth. They think they're the shit but really they don't know shit and don't have the constitution to hold up under stressfull situations. This isn't allways the case but more often then not with the sort of youth the USA and Canada are producing these days.

im a teen *18* and i know i have the constitution to survive an outbreak and i dont think im "da shit" as most dumb teens think they are. id love to see some idiot teens thinking they were cool trying to fist fight a zombie and losing horribly... to be honest......id laugh at them.:scare::lol::):evil:

[skullwarrior]

and as for fester id do what desius said he would do. Do what you can and if they are violent scare them off with violence.

[Darkness]

where does STARVING MASSES and what you would do to protect your own stuff and SEARCHING AND GROUPING with other survivors have ANYTHING to do with each other?

I am abit put off that they were grouped together as they are TWO different themes.

Answer please?

"Because those 'starving masses', beating on your safe house door, make up the larger percentage of the very survivors being discussed in this thread. And the idea of having to protect your safe house has already been opened in this thread as well. Any more questions, PM me."

"Nuff said, now back to the topic."

[bandits1]

I clearly see the importance of only allowing survivors with very specific skills(doctor, carpenter, farmer, etc...) to join the group and the need to turn away the weak, sick, or old so they don't slow you down...but in "real-life" I think I'd take along anybody who doesn't seem like they pose an immediate threat to the safty of the group(no crazies:loon:).

All I would expect and demand is that everyone contributes and pitches in whatever they can to the best of their ability. If we pick up a girl who's only skill is parading around in a bikini...so be it. She can do that to entertain the troops until the zombies come calling, then she better be able to do something else...like swing a pipe or throw rocks or something. And if every zombie/monster movie I've ever seen is true, the scenario will eventually call for a fair amount of running/climbing/jumping, so those who aren't able-bodied enough to keep up when the shit hits the fan...too bad, so sad.

[kai055]

i would look for other people is if u ownly had a small amount of people, but if u have people knocking at the door for help u can/may want to look after them but inspect them to see wether they had bite. if they havent and they have things like supplies/weapons/ammo then i would let other people in as long as they helped and also if we had the space. if they had you would have to ask them to leave nicely or shoot them on the spot no questions, they have a bite u will soon as well

[stonyman65]

well just think like this..anyone can kill and hunt..man has done that for thousands of years...same with farming...


i would get about 5 doctors..each of a different branch(surgeon,nurse,pharmacist...stuff like that)

i would want a sniper....he can teach us all what he knows...

a pilot,carpenter, and finally a mechanic...thats all we would need...maybe a technician or electrician..whatever they are called that deals with basic household electricity...and maybe a history professor...so we can still learn stuff...

i would look for the doctors ASAP! like as soon as i see a zombie im getting all 5 of my doctors!

the next thing i would look for is the mechanic and pilot...the rest i will get whenever or just read books to learn how myself...


didn't we agree we would meet up at the BJ's wholesale club on Z day. that takes care of your sniper and gun dude problem....

also, I would hole up with the people I know, and people who now how to fight. ex military, police, hot babes... you know the deal... :drinking:

[jim96sc2]

As much as some movies would say otherwise (I am legend for example) surviving on your own is near impossible. Humans are social animals so not only would more people be good for your mental health, dividing up jobs betweeen extra people makes easier workloads, and large projects like defensive perimeters would be impossible alone.

[RogueAI]

As much as some movies would say otherwise (I am legend for example) surviving on your own is near impossible. Humans are social animals so not only would more people be good for your mental health, dividing up jobs betweeen extra people makes easier workloads, and large projects like defensive perimeters would be impossible alone.

I am Legend did not say surviving on your own is easy. The man was practically insane, though the movie did not show this as well as the book. Robert also had abnormal circumstances that allowed him to survive well. The city he lived in was mainly unlooted allowing him to gather food to supplement those grown in his small garden. In most situations, this would not be the case.

[jim96sc2]

I am Legend did not say surviving on your own is easy. The man was practically insane, though the movie did not show this as well as the book. Robert also had abnormal circumstances that allowed him to survive well. The city he lived in was mainly unlooted allowing him to gather food to supplement those grown in his small garden. In most situations, this would not be the case.

Please replace "say" with "seem".

I disagree. The guy had a home, bombs around it, steel shutters, etc. The movie also failed to cover a lot of the mental issues that I think the book tried to convey (we agee here at least). Think about the time, effort, and energy that he would have expended to get what he had working. He wouldn't have had time to sit for the whole 3 years, never mind research. The unlooted aspect of NYC would also not be availible to a Z-Day event where people would be dying over a period of time and looting would probably be rampant.

In all, having multiple people (a few working, a few resting, a bunch for security) would actually increase chances of survival despite the increased use of resources.

[Z0mb1eSlay3r]

The downside with having a large group together surviving are this
1.More chance of being noticed
2.Your friends might zombify and eat u

Upsides
1.More gunmen
2.People wor better as a team

[Creature]

You forgot for downsides : Looters Target You More Often, More Mouths to feed, Noisier, Increased chance of something bad happenin to your group
upsides: More man power, more chance of finding something when looting, more ideas and better plans
What To Choose?
:doh:

[Z0mb1eSlay3r]

You forgot for downsides : Looters Target You More Often, More Mouths to feed, Noisier, Increased chance of something bad happenin to your group
upsides: More man power, more chance of finding something when looting, more ideas and better plans
What To Choose?
:doh:

I think your better off with more ppl,who wants to die alone,in a cold wet carboard box

[DarthJoe8]

I would chose having more people. There is safety in numbers. Granted if you have a couple a-holes in your group then let the zeds get them. No one will miss them. :drinking:

[RevolutionTime]

It really depends on how well your group is trained and works together. A large group that has a plan and is willing to work together is obviously better than being alone. You can have more extravagant plans, and your chances of surviving multiply a hundredfold. However, if given the choice between being in a group of mish mashed people who are panic stricken and confused, or being by myself, I'd lone wolf it, lol.

[zmbvan]

You forgot for downsides : Looters Target You More

Why not become a Looter?

[DarthJoe8]

Why not become a Looter?

I'd imagine that no one will be around to accept your cc or cash payment for whatever it is that you're taking so by default, your a looter. :drinking:

The real dilemma would be, :think: the flat screen tv or the box of ammo.:think:

[zmbvan]

Why not loot survivors? Like in Diary. Sure eventually someone is going to have bigger guns, but we are all doomed anyways. Live it up.

[DarthJoe8]

Why not loot survivors? Like in Diary. Sure eventually someone is going to have bigger guns, but we are all doomed anyways. Live it up.


See, that's one of the things that bothered me about Diary. What the f are soldiers looting civilians for? Keep in mind that this is all within 24hrs of the outbreak happening. :x Stupid, stupid, stupid. :x I can see after a few weeks or months of everything going to hell, but that scene really grinds my gears. It utterly amazes me how unprofessional soldiers are portrayed in zed movies, in particularly, Romero's. :roll: I guess it's an easy target.

But...
Thats the folly of mankind. When shit hits the fan everyone starts tossing shit. That's why Zack wins. :drinking:GOooooo Zack!!

[Slayer]

Your large group might not be a target for looters if you show yourself as a well armed bunch, they might get too nervous to attack you, more likely looters want an easy to exploit target.

[Ball Tripper]

Drama would be the biggest problem with large groups I think.

[ashley]

Drama would be the biggest problem with large groups I think.

Agreed. Human nature always rears its ugly head, regardless of the severity of the situation.

[detpat]

Romero always portrays soldiers in a bad light because he doesn't really know anything about them. his thought processes are pretty standard "campus commie" if you know what that means.

successful groups are gonna have to have both a strict command structure and the ability of everyone to have a say in things. i think you'll also need to have some sort of mechanism to guard against a prominent sheeple from organizing a drama club to screw things up. the main problem with these mechanism's is long term abuse, sooner or later somebody will abuse that authority. that's the very reason why old time community policing has failed and people fear police authorities.

I think you would need a benevolent dictator, with a process that would allow that person to be replaced if he abused his authority or just screwed up too much. maybe a 3/4 majority vote to make sure that process isn't abused by the drama club.

[JakAttak]

I'd go with a group of 10.

[zmbvan]

10 is a good number

[bandits1]

Downsides: harder to organize, more mouths to feed

Upsides: more people to help with defense/labor/whatever, more diverse base of skills/knowledge

I'd want to be in a faily large group, about 30-50, since operations need to be running 24/7.

[Faran Brigo]

I'm not a people person, but the more the merrier, as long as the group is running decently, which isn't really about how many people there are but rather what kind of people.

[JakAttak]

definitely have a cap on the number though.

[mattifikation]

Your best bet is to figure out the things you'll need to be able to do. Then make a list of all the things you can do yourself, without any help.

Then, see how many of them you can easily learn by picking up a book, or watching some videos, etc.

Your next step is to pick one of the things on your list that you can't do, and would take time and practice to learn, but are important. Then start learning! If you master it, move on to something else on your list that you can't do yet.

For your zombie survival group, I recommend trying to create the smallest possible group that has at least two people that can do every job on your list. You want people whose skill sets cover multiple abilities on your list in order to keep the group small.

The most important thing to remember is that if you've only got one person who can do a certain task (or set of tasks,) you're in big trouble if you lose that person. If you've got two people that can do that task, the second person can start teaching others if the first is lost.

It might seem like having three people that can cover each task would be better, for the triple redundancy. The problem is, in addition to having all of the needed skills covered, you also want the smallest group possible. The more people you have in your group, the more problems you have that can develop between them.

Special Forces teams for the U.S. Army use a similar rule of 2 that I've come up with, in that each team has 2 people that are specialized for each of the important tasks they need to be able to do. The structures of their groups are a bit different, because they have the luxury of huge budgets and massive amounts of training time, but they go by twos.

Ideally, I think you'd want a two person team, with each of you knowing everything. That's a bit unrealistic though. I think realistically, you should be able to get your group to 5 or less people.

[JakAttak]

words out of my mouth.

[Faran Brigo]

Special Forces teams for the U.S. Army use a similar rule of 2 that I've come up with, in that each team has 2 people that are specialized for each of the important tasks they need to be able to do. The structures of their groups are a bit different, because they have the luxury of huge budgets and massive amounts of training time, but they go by twos.

Ideally, I think you'd want a two person team, with each of you knowing everything. That's a bit unrealistic though. I think realistically, you should be able to get your group to 5 or less people.

Rule of two? I think you're talking about the Sith and Darth Bane...

Anyway, I think 5 is not nearly enough. And I have to say that while it's true to an extent that more people means more probability of friction between at least a couple of people, the opposite is not true, a smaller group won't necesarily be better in that regard. Why? higher workload for each member will cause higher stress per member, which could offset the "less people to fight with" advantage.

That aside, I also think a reduced group inherently implies putting more eggs in fewer baskets. The loss of two team members, if there was a simple car accident (assuming that it wasn't the two who knew how to do something that the rest didn't), is going to be a crippling blow to your group, if they're "just injured" you might be worse off as the 3 left will have to take care of the other two while they recover.

Plus, the amount of people necesary to accomplish a given task is reduced by the skill level they have. Conversely a group of civilian survivors needs to be bigger than a well trained team to do the same actions under the same circumstances and most likely, that's the situation where most people who are not currently in active duty or part of a national guard/militia will find themselves in.

To top it off, five people is the minimal necesary for a scavenging team or scout party. If you're talking about self-sufficiency, I seriously doubt 5 people can take care of all the peaceful work that needs to be done AND defense and raiding. Training so you need fewer people is great, but I think you're seriously underestimating the effects of burnout, and seriously overestimating the battlefield awareness a team that small can have.

[JakAttak]

how many do you think you should have?

[bandits1]

If you plan on defending a semi-permanent location(and from reading people's responses in other threads, many of you are), I think you'd want as many people as can comfortably fit in that location. Humans need sleep - zombies don't, so operations need to be running 24/7, and with too small of a group that would prove challenging.

[Faran Brigo]

Personally, I agree with bandits, about 30-50 would be fine. To keep at least two fireteams of 4 each, active in 8 hour shifts at all times you'd need at least 24 people, and if you want them paying attention at least most of the time, you also need at least a couple of people in support, so they can cover for anyone who needs a break for whatever (cooking, eating, drain the weasel, laundry, all that nagging stuff you gotta take care of constantly). This is about as close to "safe" as you're going to get in ZPAW (Zombie Post Apocalyptic World).

This is also enough so that you can leave some people guarding your safehouse, so you don't return to find it looted or with zombies around, and you have somewhere to leave the wounded to be taken care of. It's also enough people to have a team on defense duty, another sleeping and another working (raids, construction, whatever is needed).

[ShlivanZombie]

more people, more chances of being seen, more people more colective panic, people its never train for this situations, and worse even if you are train, you would never see an outbreak zombie coming so actually no one its prepare,being honest only the crazy paranoic and serial killers would get use to leave with a bizarre world full of zombies, so actually alone would be fine as long as you know how to take care of yourself and dont hold to anyone cause theres always the chance of that person being eaten or bitten,
i would stay with a big group for a while but if situation complicates
i would leave child, men and womans all behind and save my ass. i dont care no one as long as im fine.

[JakAttak]

having more will give you more time to sleep with more on watch and less time up.

[Dave Of The Dead]

distribution of ammo and arms might get kind of sticky. Plus, if there is a large number of people in your large group that haven't fired a weapon, then that is a lot of ammo and time to be spent on training.

[Ball Tripper]

I think I might prefer to face the ZPAW alone. Only have to worry about myself, nobody else to **** things up for me. I think I'm pretty psychologically suited to surviving alone too, if the moans of the dead are the only voice I hear for years I won't go any crazier than I already am.

[ethacron]

hmm...i could go it alone if i had to i think, although having to climb a tree/building/etc every damn night just to get some sleep would suck ass.
i would most likely head out with in group or 5-15 idealy, and just try to deal with the problems that pop up. i mean with 15 people, ammo distrabution is easy, it's not too big a group, and if we stopped somewhere a group of 5 taking watch at a time would make me sleep easyer... and if at all possible i would try to have each group of five be more inner-dependant on each other, that way they could break off and work on there own, and know who there with, etc if shit realy hit the fan.

but thats me

[Adam Sandler]

I would probably bee a sidekick, a fellow survivor following the stream. But it sure seems tempting to be a pirate.

I can't help to have a fantasy. Z day has occured, chaos and all that. I roam the streets loothing, killing zombies, raping girls, harassing people, live the life.
Meanwhile I collect young boys, raize them to do my bidding. And when they are about 100 young men I can invade towns. Taking on survivors, take their food, their forts, their women. And then expand my "kingdom".

Do you want to be a normal survivor or a pirate? What will you do?

[mattifikation]

First thing I'll do is kill anyone like you that I catch anywhere near me.

Raping girls and brainwashing little boys... Sick ass loser.

[Adam Sandler]

First thing I'll do is kill anyone like you that I catch anywhere near me.

Raping girls and brainwashing little boys... Sick ass loser.

Most probably I will just follow the leader. This is just a fantasy I have and nothing I will accomplish or probably have the chanse to.

[Trumble0]

Adam Sandler, I knew there was a reason I don't watch your movies anymore... haha, Im JK...

... But seriously though Im with Mattifikation... I'd shoot anyone I saw doing that, ZPAW or not.

[bandits1]

I'd try my best to abide by the same moral code I live by now(which would make me a "kind" survivor, I guess)...

...right after I kill Adam Sandler and every scumbag survivor like him/her. I got enought to deal with with the billions of hungry infected and all...I don't want to have to worry about rapists, marauders, and sick pedophilic cult-leaders who has a thing for "educating" young boys.

[Adam Sandler]

I'd try my best to abide by the same moral code I live by now: don't steal from others(abandoned shops not included),

And thans for answering my question instead of attacking me!

[ghdeh1]

You are a sick human being... or are you an alien? Oh well, I would be a normal or not so normal surviver of the horde of brain dead foes.

[DarthJoe8]

And thans for answering my question instead of attacking me!

I can't help to have a fantasy. Z day has occured, chaos and all that. I roam the streets loothing, killing zombies, raping girls, harassing people, live the life.
Meanwhile I collect young boys, raize them to do my bidding. And when they are about 100 young men I can invade towns. Taking on survivors, take their food, their forts, their women. And then expand my "kingdom".


:roll: Dude, your fantasizing about raping girls and collecting young boys to do your bidding. :loon:

[bandits1]

I edited my response. You may withdraw your thanks to me if you wish.

[Adam Sandler]

I edited my response. You may withdraw your thanks to me if you wish.

I see you added a little. Too bad, you where answering my question and all at first.

It's just a fantasy, Z day wont even happen.

[beyerwrestler]

Thats sick man. Now I know who the true Adam Sandler is:loon:

Id be a kind survivor. I mean shooting, decapitating, and blowing up zeds? Man thats all I need righ there:)

[Adam Sandler]

Thats sick man. Now I know who the true Adam Sandler is:loon:

Id be a kind survivor. I mean shooting, decapitating, and blowing up zeds? Man thats all I need righ there:)

God damnit! This is not about my imagination. But what you would do on Z-Day, Pirate or Survivor.

[beyerwrestler]

God damnit! This is not about my imagination. But what you would do on Z-Day, Pirate or Survivor.

I said it though. Id be a kind survivor who spends his days shooting, decapitating, and blowing up zombies:)

Dont get your undies in a bunch Crewe :lol:

[bandits1]

God damnit! This is not about my imagination. But what you would do on Z-Day, Pirate or Survivor.
...or thief/rapist/gay-pedophile.

[Adam Sandler]

...or thief/rapist/

In my imagination only.

gay-pedophile.

A gay pedophile? I am going to make the young boys in to my minions. Not my sex slaves.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'd be the survivor holed up in a fortified position, planning raids on nearby warehouses and stores.

[mattifikation]

Well, to be on topic, I'd be a survivor. I'd survive by destroying any zombies that come near me, along with any (butt) pirates like Adam Sandler.

[Jimmy]

I would probably bee a sidekick, a fellow survivor following the stream. But it sure seems tempting to be a pirate.

I can't help to have a fantasy. Z day has occured, chaos and all that. I roam the streets loothing, killing zombies, raping girls, harassing people, live the life.
Meanwhile I collect young boys, raize them to do my bidding. And when they are about 100 young men I can invade towns. Taking on survivors, take their food, their forts, their women. And then expand my "kingdom".

Do you want to be a normal survivor or a pirate? What will you do?

You sure are odd. I don't associate with odd ones, especially ones that have fantasies of raping women and "collecting" young boys. o_O

That's just wierd as hell.

[secretcog]

Neither...I'd simply be a human. I'm a father of two (as I've stated before), and they are my most important reasons to survive. I would do what was necessary whenever necessary to insure their survival, health, and welfare. Then, I'd insure the same for my lovely fiancee, our families, friends, and community, then our government and strangers, and then...myself.

What is necessary? Hmmm...better to be asked: what are my limits? Then I can respond...the survival of my children is the survival of our species...our human race.

If you all would like an in depth, and very disturbing look at survival, read Cormac McCarthys' "The Road."

[Adam Sandler]

If you all would like an in depth, and very disturbing look at survival, read Cormac McCarthys' "The Road."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road

Thanks for the book rekomendation! I'm going to check the book out, learn about my prey.

A post ww3/economic meltdown or Z-day world. How can I use a mans family to get him killed and have my way with his wife to then kill her and use the boys as soldiers!

"Just kidding.":)

[beyerwrestler]

In my imagination only.



A gay pedophile? I am going to make the young boys in to my minions. Not my sex slaves.

Isnt that the same thing? Like Michael Jackson and his minion kids?:loon:

[Hitman]

I'm digging this (butt)pirate hunting idea.

I pick survivor. I look forward to the "pirates" (boy loving rapist that they are) and other hard core types (I'm sure some one else will have a "fantasy" about cross dressing bikers) trying to rape my women and take whats mine. they had better be ready for a war is all I can say. I'm bringing enough firepower to hold off any amout of boy-toy slaves that Adam S. can bring to this little party.

[Adam Sandler]

I'm digging this (butt)pirate hunting idea.

I pick survivor. I look forward to the "pirates" (boy loving rapist that they are) and other hard core types (I'm sure some one else will have a "fantasy" about cross dressing bikers) trying to rape my women and take whats mine. they had better be ready for a war is all I can say. I'm bringing enough firepower to hold off any amout of boy-toy slaves that Adam S. can bring to this little party.

That's some funny shit there! Cross dressing bikers being after your woman! And my toy-boy army? haha! You should write a book. It sounds like those older action books of an apocolyptic world!

It sure would be nice having a catastrophe. Such as a ww3, peak oil, food/water crizis. Anything to destroy the system.
Of course it would be a hell for most people having children and stuff. But for single males that don't give a shit it would be like paradaise!

[Onslaught]

i'd be a survivor. not completely dissimilar to sandler in that anyone i came across would be offered the chance to join up. no rape and no slavery, but anyone who came along would pull their weight. can't fight? can you sew? or cook? or scavenge?

i'd try for a roving band of armed recon/scavengers with a nice little support network of farmers/maintenance people back at home making the best use of scavenged items and repairing/supplying the rovers.

sort of a knights/peasants feudal system.

but where sandler is more of a caligula or an atilla, i'd shoot for an arthur.

[Adam Sandler]

i'd be a survivor. not completely dissimilar to sandler in that anyone i came across would be offered the chance to join up. no rape and no slavery, but anyone who came along would pull their weight. can't fight? can you sew? or cook? or scavenge?

i'd try for a roving band of armed recon/scavengers with a nice little support network of farmers/maintenance people back at home making the best use of scavenged items and repairing/supplying the rovers.

sort of a knights/peasants feudal system.

but where sandler is more of a caligula or an atilla, i'd shoot for an arthur.

Hm... I say using fear is better than so called "loyalty". What do you have to offer them? Leadership? How do you know they will take yours? And what if they split from you?

You should take them as babies, beat and torture them, kill one or two. When they are young strong men you have the perfect soldier. Being loyal to you will be as natural as breathing.
And you can use those minions to take forts and survivor colonies here and there. Creating an empire, and a massive fort/capital with 10.000 people under the same roof.

[Onslaught]

Hm... I say using fear is better than so called "loyalty". What do you have to offer them? Leadership? How do you know they will take yours? And what if they split from you?

You should take them as babies, beat and torture them, kill one or two. When they are young strong men you have the perfect soldier. Being loyal to you will be as natural as breathing.
And you can use those minions to take forts and survivor colonies here and there. Creating an empire, and a massive fort/capital with 10.000 people under the same roof.

their loyalty will be due to protection. much like the mob or feudal europe. if they don't want my protection, they are free to fend for themselves.

they will quickly see that life is better with a support structure.

what we are describing is the difference between athens an sparta. as i recall they ground each other to a stalemate. proving that both were equally viable means of society.

your men will only be loyal to you as long as there is a threat of punishment from you. as soon as you are in personal peril, they will turn on you.

[Hitman]

Hm... I say using fear is better than so called "loyalty". What do you have to offer them? Leadership? How do you know they will take yours? And what if they split from you?

You should take them as babies, beat and torture them, kill one or two. When they are young strong men you have the perfect soldier. Being loyal to you will be as natural as breathing.
And you can use those minions to take forts and survivor colonies here and there. Creating an empire, and a massive fort/capital with 10.000 people under the same roof.


I see , you've been watching the postman way too much.

you want the army (of grown babbies ) that attcked the walled city . the part where the girl and the postman escape . firing shells on the city and mounted cavalry riding around ready to advance it when the walls fell . so you could rape all the girls and whatnot .

watch that part again but from the defenders point of view. think of 5-6 marksmen firing from hidden positions in the wall and another half dozen or so in the surrounding hills . all using suppresed weapons so as to hide there blast signature (this is where the beauty of supersonic suppresed fire comes into play ) . the heavy arty goes first , then any heavy MG's are taken down . the citys own heavy gunners could come into play next and rip your army into zombie chow. the horses we eat later. after scavenging from your now very dead army we'd be an even harder target for you next group of sodomising pirates as I'm sure you'd run off if you found any kind of stiff (my bad, hard , or forcefull ) resistance .

[stark55]

i get what your saying take things back to like a medieval thing but it makes me think allot of people would consider you a target that doesn't need a head shot. maybe its best to get the raping done in the panic and ditch the boys.

i give you 1 for concealment but 9 for sadism.

this is for you buddy cheers.:drinking:

[beyerwrestler]

First off Id join a small military militia where all we do is head out into infected cities, find vantage and secure points, bunker down and start killing the hellions. By either shooting or placing bombs in heavy concentrated areas. Awww nothing like the smell of burning corpses in the morning:evil:

[mattifikation]

Any way we can get the rape thread deleted? I don't feel like losing the whole forum over this crap.

[WEAPONOFCHOICEKATANA]

I would be a pirate going around finding the true enemy people like adam sandler killing him... no wounding him and leaving him chained to a tree so the Zs could do what they do best while i could free all his "little boys" and his poor defenseless raped sex slaves but that just my "fantasy" you crazy sick MFer:loon:

[Jimmy]

Hm... I say using fear is better than so called "loyalty". What do you have to offer them? Leadership? How do you know they will take yours? And what if they split from you?

You should take them as babies, beat and torture them, kill one or two. When they are young strong men you have the perfect soldier. Being loyal to you will be as natural as breathing.



What the hell is it with you and collecting/beating/torturing/killing boys?

[mattifikation]

I bet the little boys would whip his ass anyways.

[Adam Sandler]

What the hell is it with you and collecting/beating/torturing/killing boys?

Having the chance to beat/torture kill children is a dream of mine.

[bandits1]

I'm thinking someone here is going to have a whole bunch of FBI agents beating down his door sometime in the near future.

Get some help, man.

[Adam Sandler]

I'm thinking someone here is going to have a whole bunch of FBI agents beating down his door sometime in the near future.

Get some help, man.

There is a big difference between ones imagination and acting on it. Everyone wishes to kill someone, but few do it.

[mattifikation]

Um... actually, no.

[IronJayBee]

Most people can use firearms in a pinch. I would try to find someone with medical experience or Boating experience. Get out of the infested area as fast as possible and skills that are absolute nessesities in that situation will have to be found before any serious travel. I live in North Carolina so it takes 2 hours to get to the beach by car. Walking and having to fight off Zeds would take significantly longer but i think I could make it there before the Outbreak was announced as an outbreak.

[IronJayBee]

I dont know about brainwashing lil boys but I would be that crazy dude who got the **** out 2 hours before yall even know there was a problem, like most of the ATZ members would.

[secretcog]

OK, this has become the most entertaining post-it I've ever encountered! First off...the Adam Sandler sure writes the way the comedian talks...awsome capture of his talent. But realistically speaking, Adam Sandler is probably not a forum member.

If it's him, cool, if not, cool. Either way...keep this one going...it's halarious!

P.S. I doubt Mr. Sandler is gay.

As to the butt pirates and their legions of boy toys and female slaves...as sick as that really is...it's funny as h-ll!

Truth be told, if one researches the fall of any establishment throughout history, they'll find total anarchy.

Rape, murder, slavery, starvation, etc. it's alllll just part of the process until the system is restabalized.

Even now as we speak these atrocities are happening. It's sad and heartbreaking, and in our imaginations I'm sure some individuals might romanticize taking part in said atrocities...saddly enough...it's normal and they ARN'T depraved individuals...ask a head shrink and they'll agree, cuz...I've heard it from many of them.

Strip us of our "society" and we're all just a bunch of lunatics in monkey suits that can't type worth a d-mn because their Word application took a dive! I would have never graduated from college had it not been for Microsoft Word!

[mattifikation]

Thanks in no small part to whatever the hell you just said about romanticizing rape and whatever, this thread now has more faggotry than 4chan. All of 4chan. Combined. I renew my call for its utter deletion. Or at least change the name to "Chris Hanson, Zombies, and You." That way people assume it's all a joke and don't get the impression that we're actually a front for NAMBLA.

[Adam Sandler]

OK, this has become the most entertaining post-it I've ever encountered! First off...the Adam Sandler sure writes the way the comedian talks...awsome capture of his talent. But realistically speaking, Adam Sandler is probably not a forum member.

If it's him, cool, if not, cool.

Of course it's me, why would you say something like that? Don't you see my avatar?

[secretcog]

Of course it's me, why would you say something like that? Don't you see my avatar?

Ok, wether or not it's you is unimportant...but I'll entertain this anyways cause it's entertaining.

Sure there's a picture of Adam Sandler, errr...you! I once met this gorgous blond online. She changed her profile pic allllll the time. So I figured she was the real deal (mind you, WHY would a hot twenty something woman join an alien based chat room??? THEY WOULDN'T!) on that note (why did I join that chat room?)

So back to my story: This hottie (and I was single at the time) turned out to be a very ummm, a really big ahhh, let's put it another way: Really hot women DON'T surf for dudes the same way that really hot women AREN'T DJ's, they're VJ's! Get it! No one sees a DJ!

For all we know you could be someone other then Adam Sandler just like I might be someone other then me. Yup...I cooould be a fat guy living in a run down trailer park in Queens. Maybe I never worked a day in my life, and all I do is surf foot porn and chat!

Public personalities usually hide their identities. It's better that way. As for me http://www.myspace.com/laneheritage this is the non-music related me! I'm just a dad from a punk rock band...
http://www.myspace.com/thomascharming

Now...if it is you...you funny as all h-ll...ever consider a zombie comedy?

[Dave Of The Dead]

Hell, I got medical experience. I've treated more of my own wounds than my doctor. And that's saying something. I'm very prone to "accidents." But thats the price you pay when working with blades a lot. :)

[beyerwrestler]

I would probably be in a group of 5 or 6 which would go as follows.

1. My best friend- He's a great marksmen plus, well hes my best bud.

2. My Dad- Great with pretty much any firearm(mostly shotguns and rifles). He also knows alot aboutcamping and survival techniques. Hes an awesome cook. Plus hes a leader. :)

3.My Neighbhor- Hes a carpenter and engineer.

4. My Uncle- Police Officer good with guns and survival technique

5. My Cousin Scott- Can keep a cool head in heated moments. Great to keep the team together.

and others would be family and friends.

[Behemoth]

What makes me laugh, are the members in this forum, who say in one thread, yeah, i'm gonna kill all raiders. Then in another thread tell everyone how they are gonna raid shops for supplies:loon:
Whats more, they won't understand the meaning of this post:roll:

[beyerwrestler]

What makes me laugh, are the members in this forum, who say in one thread, yeah, i'm gonna kill all raiders. Then in another thread tell everyone how they are gonna raid shops for supplies:loon:
Whats more, they won't understand the meaning of this post:roll:


I dont understand :doh: Just kiddin. I get what your saying but alot of people (like me) forget what they put and are in a different state of mind (groovy) so they change their mind :drool:

[Behemoth]

I dont understand :doh: Just kiddin. I get what your saying but alot of people (like me) forget what they put and are in a different state of mind (groovy) so they change their mind :drool:
Well what sate of mind would they be in when an outbreak occurs? You may not get a chance to change your mind when you're caught raiding/looting.

[DarthJoe8]

What makes me laugh, are the members in this forum, who say in one thread, yeah, i'm gonna kill all raiders. Then in another thread tell everyone how they are gonna raid shops for supplies:loon:
Whats more, they won't understand the meaning of this post:roll:

Its kinda like in DotD 78 when the biker gang raids the mall. Sure Peter, Fran,Steven and Roger are raiders also but they didn't rape and murder to get what they have. I think thats where most people make the distinction. Raiding an empty i.e. not occupied store for supplies is a huge difference than what Sandler proposed. :think:

Sandler started off by stating that he wanted to rape and pillage other survivors for the shear sake of doing it. That's pretty F-ed up to anyone sensible, fantasy or not. :naughty:

I'm sure you see the difference. :drinking:

[Behemoth]

Its kinda like in DotD 78 when the biker gang raids the mall. Sure Peter, Fran,Steven and Roger are raiders also but they didn't rape and murder to get what they have. I think thats where most people make the distinction. Raiding an empty i.e. not occupied store for supplies is a huge difference than what Sandler proposed. :think:

Sandler started off by stating that he wanted to rape and pillage other survivors for the shear sake of doing it. That's pretty F-ed up to anyone sensible, fantasy or not. :naughty:

I'm sure you see the difference. :drinking:
I'm not just refering to posts in this thread. I'm sure the mall owners would be more than happy for good guys to help themselves, i mean it's not like there is any such thing as greedy corporations, they are all philanthropic charity giving doing good throught out the comunity, right!:loon:
The law now, would be the same during an outbreak. Looters will be shot. Guys like sandler won't exist, these are just realms of fantasy.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Depends on the enormity of the outbreak. Law surely won't exist on a full scale outbreak. If the military can hands it (which I'm sure they would try at first to do so) then law would still be in order. However, after the point where the military and government are fallen (for at least a while, if not for the duration of the zed infestation) there will be no law and only survival of the fittest.

[stark55]

first i would look for mt friends. that shouldn't be too hard they know to gather at Josh's house and wait for me to contact them for at least 24 hours. (bet they would wait for years if i asked them to.)

out side of my friends i would say the people i want have varying importance
(most to least)
farmer
doctor
mechanic
survivalist (some one not nuts about zeds though)
other zed survivalists

than there is a line the others are considerably less important.

[Adam Sandler]

I say that on Z-day, the police will be shooting everyone to keep the looting bounty for themselves.:)

Even more serious now. The Cops would go straight home and take their families out of town.

[beyerwrestler]

Well what sate of mind would they be in when an outbreak occurs? You may not get a chance to change your mind when you're caught raiding/looting.


But what if I was high off of sharpies, paint, or marijuana? My mind would change every 3 to 5 seconds

[secretcog]

As I've stated before: this thread is a keeper!

I love the narcotic talk. I don't think they'll be much left of the drug market, but I wonder if intoxicated humans could be resistant to a Z virus?

Sort of like vampires turning away from aids victims. Maybe the zeds won't even acknowledge addicts/junkies (cause they recognize them as their own).

In that case, I'd be a zombie killin junkie...yah, a ZKJ! I'd build a traveling Medth lab, errr...I think they've already got those, ummm...mobile homes!

Yah, I'd get in my reinforced mobile home that I pimped and sh-t...with big ol'rims and hydraulics, just me and my lab. I'd drive through majory cities blastin the theme song to Blues Clues! Oh yah baby!

I decapitate Z heads with my "handy dandy notebook" and I'd totally get down with my bad disco self with all the hot z's!

Does that sound stupid enough to you yet? It does to me! Narcotics hamper your descision making ability. Unless they make us resistant to the virus, forget about it!

Slavery is lame. I'm all about keeping democracy going, but not blindly. Think: Jello Biafra for president! Forget piracy. Think 1776! I have that tattooed on my right shoulder! A whole new Earth, ruled by the people, not by the privilaged few. Freedom, truth, law, honor, and Pizza, yesss pizza...in MY new America, everything will be structured upon the Pizza. State lines...pizza, school curriculums...pizza, womens lengerie....edible pizza! Yes, one nation...like a pizza, indescribable, with extra cheese, sausage, and sauce...

[Adam Sandler]

Sort of like vampires turning away from aids victims.

Well sodomize me at Christmas! You believe in Vampires? Where did you read about them? Is there a fact book about them like the Zombie survival book?

Maybe the zeds won't even acknowledge addicts/junkies (cause they recognize them as their own).

I'm not so sure the homeless almost look like humans.
Now I got an Idea, why not pracisting on homeless people? People beat homeless people up and kill them all the time. You get away with it cause nobody cares about them. The police might secretly thank you.

Yah, I'd get in my reinforced mobile home that I pimped and sh-t...with big ol'rims and hydraulics, just me and my lab. I'd drive through majory cities blastin the theme song to Blues Clues! Oh yah baby!

A good veichle would be Land Rover Defender. Not the Range Rover, that's a urban car and not off road.

[Adam Sandler]

Hell I'm going to Africa to pracitse. People rape and kidnapp little boys to become soldiers all the time! I'm joining the LRA!

The Lord's Resistance Army (LRA),[3] formed in 1987, is a rebel self-proclaimed Christian guerrilla army operating mainly in northern Uganda and parts of Sudan. The group is engaged in an armed rebellion against the Ugandan government in what is now one of Africa's longest-running conflicts. It is led by Joseph Kony, who proclaims himself the "spokesperson" of God and a spirit medium, primarily of the Christian Holy Spirit which the Acholi believe can represent itself in many manifestations.[4] The group claims to be establishing a theocratic state based on the Ten Commandments and Acholi tradition.[4][5] The LRA is accused of widespread human rights violations, including murder, abduction, mutilation, sexual enslavement of women and children, and forcing children to participate in hostilities.[6]


Troop Strength

The government of Uganda claims the LRA has only 500 or 1,000 soldiers in total, but other sources estimate that there could be as many as 3,000 soldiers, along with about 1,500 women and children.[1] The soldiers are organised into independent brigades of 10 or 20 soldiers.


The five LRA leaders are charged with crimes against humanity and war crimes, including murder, rape, sexual slavery, and enlisting of children as combatants.

Man I could join them and practise by attacking villages with them!

Amen to that!

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/0/0d/Stainglass.jpg/347px-Stainglass.jpg

[Behemoth]

But what if I was high off of sharpies, paint, or marijuana? My mind would change every 3 to 5 seconds
So what you're saying is: when toted up on pot you'll be bringing food to little old ladies, then when the high runs out you'll go back & loot the old lady. Man you're a real Mr Hyde:)

[CryWolf]

tbh, i wouldn't actually want to find anyone. all of my 'friends' are complete douchebags and would probably **** me over at any given moment. i would prefer to be alone because you don't have to rely on anyone: if you **** up, it's your fault - you can't blame anyone but yourself.

but... if i needed people, then i wouldn't really care what skills they have, because realisticly in a zombie apocalypse, you take what you're given.

[Homiseidel]

I wouldn't travel with more than 6 people. any more would draw to much attention. Not only that but keeping the numbers lower makes the group more mobile - less people to keep track of, less supplies to carry. As for who... people with sense of reason and logic. People who wouldn't let their emotions get in the way of their rational thinking.

[JakAttak]

elite team my friend, my dad, me (important I include him), my friends brother, and some guy who is inept and stupid so we can sacrifice him in tough situations.

[JakAttak]

what was in your weed dude 'cause I gotta add to some to mine.

[jagus12]

Depending on the situation, if I find myself against a hostile group, HECK I WONT LET EM GET ME! If I find myself with a neutral/ a lil friendly group, I would try to be kind and get some more allies for ATZ...

[jagus12]

Slavery is lame. I'm all about keeping democracy going, but not blindly. Think: Jello Biafra for president! Forget piracy. Think 1776! I have that tattooed on my right shoulder! A whole new Earth, ruled by the people, not by the privilaged few. Freedom, truth, law, honor, and Pizza, yesss pizza...in MY new America, everything will be structured upon the Pizza. State lines...pizza, school curriculums...pizza, womens lengerie....edible pizza! Yes, one nation...like a pizza, indescribable, with extra cheese, sausage, and sauce...

Sounds tasty... Ill join you!

[mattifikation]

One topic that hasn't been touched upon much around here is food and water. Both are essential for survival, but they might be difficult to find in Situation Z.

First, let's examine water. It's important to have a consistent resource for obtaining water, because we are supposed to drink at least 2 liters of water per day to stay healthy. That's the recommended amount for an average lifestyle, too - in Sit. Z you'll probably want a bit more because of your increased activity.

We have several obvious sources for water, but once the dead are walking around there are some problems that start to arise with those sources.

1. Faucets and Tap Water: There's no guarantee that municipal water supplies will be free of diseases and other contaminations. Normally, there are standards that water has to meet and there are people checking to make sure those standards are met. In addition, this water is supplied by utility companies that will collapse just like any other business. In the unlikely event that you still have running water well into Sit. Z., you should be careful that the water is safe.

2. Stored Water Supplies: This seems like a good bet for short term survival, but it leaves you lacking for the long term. There are specific steps you need to take to make sure water is stored safely and properly, otherwise your water can turn into a breeding ground for disease. Once this supply runs out, you need to start thinking about alternatives. With stored water, you also have the problem of being stuck in one place - you can't take a whole lot of water with you.

3. Rain Water Collection: This method will succeed or fail at mother nature's discretion. In addition, it requires a lot of time and space to be efficient. You likely won't have either, so counting on rain water collection should be avoided.

4. Natural Water Sources: Springs, lakes, streams, and so-on. These are the solution to the majority of your water problems. However, there is nothing in place to insure the safety of these sources even in normal times. You will need to be able to filter and purify your water in order to remain safe. Portable water filters are available and affordable, but need replaced periodically and might not be a long term solution. Fortunately, there are other ways to filter water. In order to conserve time and space, I'll leave the details on these methods up to other ATZ members to fill in.

Next, I would like to address food. While water gives us several options and is extremely abundant, food isn't so easy. Not everything that seems like a good idea actually is, so let's address some of the common suggestions and analyze the pro's and con's. In the end, you should rely on combination of all possible food sources - and hope that it's enough.

1. Hunting and Gathering. Many would-be survivalists have proclaimed their excellent hunting skills, and have read up on all the edible fruits and veggies that grow naturally in their area. The problem is, so have many other people. A single area can only sustain a certain population before its resources are used up. There might be two hundred deer in your area now, but after four hundred survivors have gone into the woods looking for them it's not going to be the case. The same situation applies to gathering. Many wild plants aren't edible, and those that are tend not to be filling and often don't grow in very dense clusters.

Fortunately, Sit. Z is unique among survival situations in that there will be far fewer people consuming these resources than you would otherwise have to deal with. In addition, relocating to a remote place will ensure even less competition for this food source. One thing that you should keep in mind: Hunting will be about survival, not diet and recommendation. Animals that you normally wouldn't hunt for food will be fair game now. This means dogs, cats, horses, and other domestic animals should be viewed as prey now. The same goes for gathering: It doesn't matter if pinecones are brittle and disgusting. The seeds in them are edible and nutritious, and that's what you're looking for.

2. Scavenging/Looting: This is another common idea for Sit. Z food gathering. Survivors plan to raid stores, homes, and warehouses for food supplies. While this will work for the first two years or so, after that even the canned goods will have questionable quality to them. It's also dangerous: These places may have other survivors who are using those food caches, and they will probably try to kill you to protect them. It's not something to completely count out, though. If a house is abandoned, there might just be something in there that's still good, at least for awhile anyways.

3. Farming/Livestock: This is probably the most reliable way to get food, but it's also the least versatile. It weighs you down in one spot, leaving you as an open target for looters and zombies alike. It also requires that you have some decent knowledge of how to raise whatever food you are raising, and leaves you somewhat at the mercy of nature. Low-key gardening might be a good supplement to your other food sources, however. You can grow many smaller food plants in containers that can be carried with you, assuming you have some type of transportation.

4. Pre-stored food: Many people think that stocking up on MRE's, canned food, and freeze-dried goods will hold them through. While it's possible to survive for several years this way, there are major drawbacks as well. Even the most well-preserved food has a shelf life. Stored food can't be taken with you if you have to bail out of your area. And worst of all, if outsiders catch on, you could become a big time target. Now, this isn't to say you shouldn't have some food stored up. Doing so will ensure that you have a food supply while you implement more permanent measures to keep your face stuffed!

So, all of these solutions have flaws, but it's also important to use every resource you can. Here is my suggestion for a long-term food providing plan.

Step 1, Have enough stored food on hand to last you at least until you can get safely out of town. 3 days minimum! If you already live in a remote area, then take advantage of the fact that you don't need to "bug out" and stock up for a longer period. A year's good.

Step 2, Find out where your neighbors are. While they are still around, they may be willing to trade if you need to. When they are gone, anything they leave behind is fair game.

Step 3, As you begin hunting and gathering in one area, make sure you are taking steps to have it repopulated quickly. Plant seeds of plants that do well in your area and bear edible parts. Try to pick herbivores for meat, this way these plants will have a better chance of growing up into something tasty. Don't over-hunt; you don't want to come back to this area later and find yourself being forced to take up vegetarianism. When you kill an animal, eat every fleshy part of it. Even the gross organs! This way you won't have to kill as many to survive.

Step 4, You may find yourself gathering more food than you need. If you limit this, it's a positive thing. If you don't, you may overdo it. Surplus food should be stored in a manner that will last awhile. Canning or jarring fruits and veggies would be a good idea. Meat can be jerked, smoked, and/or salted for short term storage. If you can, try to keep your 3-day bug-out stash stocked up. And if you can, make it 5 days. Or 7. However much you'd be able to take with you in a hurry, have it.

Step 5, Hopefully, you were able to store up some fresh food because eventually your area may not have enough food left to support you. This will take some time, if you're smart about food gathering. At this point, you will have to move on. Eventually you will come to a new area with new food, and at this point you should start the cycle of steps over again.

Using these techniques, you can adopt a nomadic lifestyle. As you use up the resources in one area, you move on to the next. Eventually you should be able to come full circle back to the place where you started, and hopefully your measures to get new plant life growing will have paid off. This new flora should have attracted new fauna by now, too. If not, well, keep moving. Eventually the place will bloom again.

I'd be interested in hearing comments on my plans, as well as hearing all of your plans for supplying yourselves with food and water.

[Slayer]

You just forgot one thing...fishing.

In addition to having food stored up for emergency, hunting, gardening, etc, are good, as is fishing. It wouldn't be a bad idea to be located near a lake or river for this.

Water should be boiled to make it safe for consumption, this can be done with a simple fire.

[mattifikation]

I'm curious why my post was moved here, as it has NOTHING to do with searching for and/or grouping with other survivors. In fact, it has almost nothing to do with other people at all. But we have like 50 friggin gun threads?

[mattifikation]

I wonder what happens if I copy and paste my entire new post into a second thread with almost the same title as the original, just so that it'll actually get some discussion. Oh, and not be in a thread about looking for people...

[hotlead]

How would you find raider plants amongst the survivors you find? and how would you determine if another group you come accross are raiders trying to make you let your guard down?

[tigger2]

12 marines, enuf said.

[CityOfChicago]

One topic that hasn't been touched upon much around here is food and water. Both are essential for survival, but they might be difficult to find in Situation Z.

...EDIT FOR SPACE...

Using these techniques, you can adopt a nomadic lifestyle. As you use up the resources in one area, you move on to the next. Eventually you should be able to come full circle back to the place where you started, and hopefully your measures to get new plant life growing will have paid off. This new flora should have attracted new fauna by now, too. If not, well, keep moving. Eventually the place will bloom again.

I'd be interested in hearing comments on my plans, as well as hearing all of your plans for supplying yourselves with food and water.


Very well thought out. As far as your plans, do you see yourself alone or with a group, and if a group, what size would you prefer. Obviuosly, as the size of your group grows the stresses on your food and water resources grows, but your ability to scavenge/gather/farm/hunt grows as well. What were your thoughs on the trade-off? And how do you feel about the risk of being nomadic, i.e. running into hhostile groups of survivors and of course the hungry undead?

Homelite had a good suggestion: holding up in a prison. You could use the yard as a garden for some small crops. Perhaps collect fencing or other to enclose just the garden and screen it from view? If you held up n any fortified location you'd have to send out 'patrols' every once in a while for some supplies.

It sounds like you prefer to be 'homeless'. Have you discounted the idea of fortification all together?

[mattifikation]

No, fortification is important. I just wouldn't count on having an "ideal" fortress. As soon as I found one, it would probably get overrun... lol

[CityOfChicago]

You're probably more right than you know, actually.

It would probably be unwise to put all your eggs in one basket. You should have a fortified location, with all the things you need to be comfortable and survive. But you should probably be prepared to leave if the situation becomes unsustainable. Have an exit route - from both the facility and the area - and packs prepared for instant escape. Hold out and protect your compound as needed until it's clear that you absolutely no longer can, then get out beofre overrun and find a new location to fortify.

[Xawmb]

I'd do a quick grouping at the very start, local friends, family, and neighbors who aren't messed up all ready. Then after things cooled off a bit I'd go see if any one has taken shelter in any houses near by.
If I was in a traveling group and we came across other survivors(that aren't crazy, half dead, or are worth saving), combining groups would be necessary.

I'd want people who are going to work as a group together.
People good with guns and vehicles. People with good life skills. Farming, hunting, fishing, building, etc.

In a time like it'll more then likely be. I'd worry about friends and family, but I wouldn't risk my life or someone elses to go on a rescue mission. If I had a good group with me and meaningful supplies for traveling, then I'd think about it.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'd do a quick grouping at the very start, local friends, family, and neighbors who aren't messed up all ready. Then after things cooled off a bit I'd go see if any one has taken shelter in any houses near by.
If I was in a traveling group and we came across other survivors(that aren't crazy, half dead, or are worth saving), combining groups would be necessary.

I'd want people who are going to work as a group together.
People good with guns and vehicles. People with good life skills. Farming, hunting, fishing, building, etc.

In a time like it'll more then likely be. I'd worry about friends and family, but I wouldn't risk my life or someone elses to go on a rescue mission. If I had a good group with me and meaningful supplies for traveling, then I'd think about it.

I agree with most of everything you just said, which is rare for someone as new as you. One thing I will point out is that you shouldn't just judge someone for what weapons or gear they have. Hell, if they have any weapons or gear at all, I'll be more than happy to take them under my wing. What matters is how they use what they have. Rambo over here can have an M-16 with hi cap mags and the best of accessories for zombie killing but he can also just be a collector and the worst shot in the world. While Jo-shmo over there can have a 30 year old Mosin Nagant and be the best shot in your group. Who would you choose?

[Darkness]

I agree with most of everything you just said, which is rare for someone as new as you. One thing I will point out is that you shouldn't just judge someone for what weapons or gear they have. Hell, if they have any weapons or gear at all, I'll be more than happy to take them under my wing. What matters is how they use what they have. Rambo over here can have an M-16 with hi cap mags and the best of accessories for zombie killing but he can also just be a collector and the worst shot in the world. While Jo-shmo over there can have a 30 year old Mosin Nagant and be the best shot in your group. Who would you choose?

"Excellent question, and excellent point, Dave. I'd go for the one who can shoot, and give him a better weapon to use."

[mattifikation]

Oh, you asked about group size. I said in another thread that 12 is the size of a Special Forces team. They have 6 different specialties, with 2 people able to do each one. This means there's a backup, and they can split into two teams.

I think that's the way to go... have a team that can be divided up into 2 groups. A scout group, and a group to guard "home base." The problem with that, is I think that I'd be more likely to get dumb, untrained civilians in my group. Like me. Haha.

[Dave Of The Dead]

"Excellent question, and excellent point, Dave. I'd go for the one who can shoot, and give him a better weapon to use."

:) Why thank you.

But wouldn't you be more comfortable knowing that he is a good shot with what he has and is already adapted to what he has? I know it takes me a while to get used to new guns while I can still pick up my old 30-30 and pick off whatever I want to in a heartbeat.

[Darkness]

:) Why thank you.

But wouldn't you be more comfortable knowing that he is a good shot with what he has and is already adapted to what he has? I know it takes me a while to get used to new guns while I can still pick up my old 30-30 and pick off whatever I want to in a heartbeat.

"I wouldn't be so stupid as to just hand him another weapon, and tell him to use it. I'd ask him if any of the other guns avalible would be better for him. I would just want my better shooters to have the best they can handle." :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

"I wouldn't be so stupid as to just hand him another weapon, and tell him to use it. I'd ask him if any of the other guns avalible would be better for him. I would just want my better shooters to have the best they can handle." :)

True, very well put.

[CityOfChicago]

"I wouldn't be so stupid as to just hand him another weapon, and tell him to use it. I'd ask him if any of the other guns avalible would be better for him. I would just want my better shooters to have the best they can handle." :)

That's an excellent thought. If you have some old-timer, fuddy-duddy or something, he/she may be comfortable shooting what they have. No sweat, stick with it. But marksmanship is a skill, and that skill is transferrable between weapons. Once you know how to shoot, you should be able to shoot anything. Your trained shooters should be able to transition very easily once they learn the operating of the particular weapon.

[CAVU45]

That's an excellent thought. If you have some old-timer, fuddy-duddy or something, he/she may be comfortable shooting what they have. No sweat, stick with it. But marksmanship is a skill, and that skill is transferrable between weapons. Once you know how to shoot, you should be able to shoot anything. Your trained shooters should be able to transition very easily once they learn the operating of the particular weapon.

Shooting and shooting well are two different things. Like you said, marksmanship is a skill or even an art. Though that talent can be taken to different platforms it's no guarentee the marksman will be as good. I believe many of us know the guys who can hit a flys eye at 200 yards with his good ol' Winchester. But give him a pistol and he can't hit sand on a beach at ten paces. Different platforms require different techniques to operate properly.

[Xawmb]

By "worth saving" I meant that they're in a situation that would be easy for my group to save them from.
For instants if there was 2 people cornered in an alleyway with a shit load of zombies coming for them and there's no way that we could get to those 2 before the zombies got them. I wouldn't bother trying to save them. Yes that's 2 less possible members to my group, but I'd rather not gain people then loose them.

But my decision would also be altered based on how they're reacting to that crap load of zombies. If they're putting up a good fight I'd try to help.
If they're cowering in the corner for their lives as the zombies are about to consume their flesh... Well.. They'd be dead before we got to them.

I honestly can say that during our z-days, I wont rescue every person I see. Yea call me a doucher or what ever you're imagination can come up with. But when you're in a world where you have to fight to survive, there are sacrifices that have to be made.

[J Dub]

I honestly can say that during our z-days, I wont rescue every person I see. Yea call me a doucher or what ever you're imagination can come up with. But when you're in a world where you have to fight to survive, there are sacrifices that have to be made.


the weak will inherit nothing, the strongest and most adaptable will survive. that is the law of nature, it is a harsh reality but a reality it is.

[DarthJoe8]

the weak will inherit nothing, the strongest and most adaptable will survive. that is the law of nature, it is a harsh reality but a reality it is.

In a zpaw I think you guys are right...this isn't to say that one has to be a barbarian, but one must accurately assess the risks of a given situation before you put yourself or others into undue risks. :think:

[Killazombie22]

man, im from the country so my family and friends pretty much know how to kill and survive in the wild so i would stick with them and my moms bf has a locker full of guns and a supply amount of ammo at his discreation

[Bob]

If you have some old-timer, fuddy-duddy or something, he/she may be comfortable shooting what they have. .


I have thought about your statement and it shows the ignorance of the young.
If you are not young you are just stupid.
Your statement implies that just because someone is older than you and cautious he is less worthy.
Just because you seem to consider yourself young and hip does that make you better able to transition between weapons?

old-timer = more experienced than you
fuddy-duddy = less inclined to do stupid shat.
comfortable shooting what they have = well fracking duh

How many thing do you have that go bang? (don't lie)
Any sane man in a survival situation is going to prefer a weapon he is familiar with.
That being said if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger other than that get the frack out of my way.

I will take a "old-timer, fuddy-duddy" with a lifetime of experience shooting over a young fool anytime.
Most of the people with large collections and a wealth of experience are older you would do well not to sell them short.

If you are old enough to be what you claim to be you should remember the quote often atrributed to Benjamin Franklin;
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."

[ZedHunter]

I would not look for other survivors. Only people I would go look for is family and girlfriend.

[Xawmb]

I would only search for supplies and a place to fortify/a new hide out if I have to leave my last one.

[CityOfChicago]

I have thought about your statement and it shows the ignorance of the young.
If you are not young you are just stupid.
Your statement implies that just because someone is older than you and cautious he is less worthy.
Just because you seem to consider yourself young and hip does that make you better able to transition between weapons?

old-timer = more experienced than you
fuddy-duddy = less inclined to do stupid shat.
comfortable shooting what they have = well fracking duh

How many thing do you have that go bang? (don't lie)
Any sane man in a survival situation is going to prefer a weapon he is familiar with.
That being said if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger other than that get the frack out of my way.

I will take a "old-timer, fuddy-duddy" with a lifetime of experience shooting over a young fool anytime.
Most of the people with large collections and a wealth of experience are older you would do well not to sell them short.

If you are old enough to be what you claim to be you should remember the quote often atrributed to Benjamin Franklin;
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."


Jeezus christ... I don't know what your issue with your own age is, Bob, but you need to deal with it. The term 'old timer fuddy duddy' was a bit tongue-in-cheek and was meant o conjure the image of a well experience person who shoots a well used rifle. And if you would have read or maybe quoted the rest of my post, you would see that the very next sentence says I don't have a problem with that and that they should stick with that weapon. I made no detrimental comments about the value of an older shooter, nor about the quality of older weapons. You read the post and based upon some age bias of your own inferred that.

My other statement in my post commented on shootiing as a skill and stated that once the skill is learned it is transferrable. That's why people can be accureate with mutiple weapons. Though the weapon itself has changed, the skills to align sight picture and control the trigger do not. I also said that 'once they learn the operating of the particular weapon' they'd be able to shoot it just fine. Thats the same thing as 'if you hand me a weapon I am unfamiliar with I will need a few shots to get used to the trigger'.

You, Bob, have some kind of complex with your age. My post said that older shooters may want to stick with the weapon they have more experience with, and thats fine. But if they want to use another weapon, then once they learn how it works and how it shoots they'll shoot that weapon just fine, too. Deal with your own issues on your own time, lest you need to direct Franklin's quote at yourself.

[Xawmb]

Regardless of age, if some one has a good shot I want them on my side.:guns:
I've never fired a "gun", just airsofts and compound bows. I'm pretty good with a compound, but it's by far not the best weapon for zed killin'! So a man or woman that's young or old, black or white, native or asian with a good shot is what I need. :pray:

[Bob]

You my little piggy are the one who started the name calling that prompted all this.

[CityOfChicago]

I said "some old-timer fuddy-duddy". Directed at no one in particular. You, Mr. Sensitivity, took it as a personal affront.

You then directly callled me ignorant or stupid, implied that I was a liar, and made a slur against my profession.

No one here, including myself, has questioned your experience, your capabilities, or made detrimental comments about your abilities because of your age. I myself have commented that there are cops out there who are complete a$$holes, even ones who are criminals. I've stated that I don't support these cops, and I don't represent them. If somebody made the statement "I can't stand these cops who abuse people or their authority" or "If some flat-foot Barney Fife cop..." I wouldn't take offense to it cause I know some cops are like that. But I use a term to describe a certain segment of the older population - older people who are cantankerous and set in their ways - and you take it as a personal insult. Whatsmore I even said that such older people are just fine with me so long as they are capable. But still you are offended.

I know the truth. Most older people have a wealth of experience with firearms, having grown up in a time when their ownership was more prevelant, firearms were used more for sport, or having served in the military. Many of the young today have far more ability with a videogame controller than they do with a hammer, let alone a firearm. My grandfather, who passed 2 years ago, landed with the 29th at Utah Beach. I'd take him over any of the high schoolers on my block. And if he wanted to shoot an M1 or the old 20ga in his closet, that's fine. Like Darkness said, I wouldn't be stupid enough to just give him another weapon. But if I had an extra M4, I'd offer it to him. If he wanted it, great. If he said "Sorry, boy, but this New England 20ga single shot is my pony", then OK.

Try to read and digest my whole post, and put it in context with what has been posted before it - especially if I quote somebody else.

[kiltedninja]

I reckon I'm one of the few high school students who has any real experience with a rifle and pistol, and knows the difference between combat and target shooting.

[Bob]

Hrummm

Well maybe you are more level headed than I first thought.
In your first couple of posts you got all upset and went after XXX calling him names and stuff.
Honestly I was baiting you and evidently not doing a particularly good job of it.
I could probably drag it out and get you to flip out of frustration if nothing else but there is really no point in it.
I just had to know, before I formed my opinion of you.

For what it is worth, you are ok with me.

Just for the record yes I am a world class asshole.

[Xawmb]

I only have good experience with compound bows, not the best of weapons but it's the only thing I can get that I'm good with. I'd want survivors who can shoot. I'd want a temporary hide out until I got a good group with me, one with weapons and is able to keep a good fight up. Then I'd want to scout out a more suitable place to hold out in, one that can be defended and fortified/barricaded well and is near good areas of supplies resources.

[kiltedninja]

Good luck finding such a place.

My friends and I have all basically decided that we'd hole up in one place, until we need to move.

[ZedHunter]

I wouldnt move unless you're staring death in the face.
Dont find suvivors. If you cant live without your family members, find them. Dont find random people. They'll only mooch and bring you down.

[Xawmb]

I wouldn't really worry about family, well I would but I wouldn't go on rescue missions. There's a few places in the area that I live in that could be fortified well and are near supplies.

[bandits1]

I wouldnt move unless you're staring death in the face.
Dont find suvivors. If you cant live without your family members, find them. Dont find random people. They'll only mooch and bring you down.
...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

[Dave Of The Dead]

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

Well yeah, I'm hoping to come across a demolitions expert and maybe a first class sniper. But definitely it is completely obvious that I will run into a psionic martial arts expert with a background in an evil power hungry corporation.

[kiltedninja]

I wouldn't move until I ran out of supplies.

I'm hoping to run into a former soldier with insanely spiky hair, and who wields a giant sword, while also using magic and summoning legendary beasts. Because we all know someone like that.:lol:

[CityOfChicago]

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!

I haven't any idea what you're talking about........

[ZedHunter]

...or you might run across a sniper or two that really wants to join your group (like a lot guys here think they will) and make your team of survivors really strong like in a video game or movie!Thats all I'm looking for.

In all seriousness...theres no point in moving unless you have no supplies. If you have enough supplies for a little while and you lay low...noone will know youre there until they try to loot. Then you kill.

[CityOfChicago]

Well, I'm getting out of this city as soon as I can. Honestly, I'd get my family on the move, but I really am a sucker for responsibility so I'd probably go to work. But, no sh1t, if the situation becomes completely untenable, my tail is looking to hook back up with my fam. I'll do my job the best I can, but if its clear the situational is out of hand, I have a responsibility to my wife and son, to take care of them.

As far as starngers, well I wouldnt let people around me just die if I could do something. I'd try to save those I could reasonably save, but I'm not gonna die for some stranger if its no holds barred. Who would protect my fam if I got croaked?

[ZedHunter]

I would. Just because I'm a person who will help others.
I can be a dick, but I'm pretty generous too. I just feel like I need to help people if need be. But, not at my own expense. I'll only help if I get something out of it or they have no intentions on hurting me or people I'm with.

[Bob]

Get the hell out of Dodge!
What concerns me is when the local LEOs get overrun or do what any sane man would do (go take care of their own) it will get rough.
The local gang is probably going to start going after those who don't look like themselves. Holing up in a house is not as safe as one might think.
You can have dozens of guns and thousands of rounds of ammo but what are you going to do when some thug throws a Molotov on your roof?
You must have a defensible position.
Probably the wrong thread for this...

On topic
Zombie dreams are typically not nightmares for me, unless I am with strangers.
I know the people I can count on and what they are capable of.
I suppose I would help a stranger if I did not have to put myself into to much danger.
It would help me make the decision if she was good looking...

Long term you are not going to survive by yourself.
You have to sleep sometime and you are going to get sick.

Here is a question if any of you care to answer it.
Assume you have come across another survivor and are considering teaming up with them.
Who would be more trustworthy and could be counted on to watch your back
A Biker covered with tats
A skinhead with a swastika on his forehead
A gang banger (you pick the race (not your own) and gang)

[Darkness]

"I'd take the biker."

"I have dealt with all of them and, more often than not, the bikers had more of a sense of universal honor, than any of the others."

[Dave Of The Dead]

I would take the biker also. Both the gang banger and skinhead can be intimidating, yeah. But when it comes to fighting both seem to just make a mess of things either throwing punches in every direction possible or shooting every which way but up. From my experiences, bikers like to keep it cool while still looking like a beast. I'd probably get along with all three, but I might only trust the biker since my views don't exactly match a gangster's or skinhead's.

[Johnrchildsii]

Surely there will be small pockets of people who survive... One of the pockets will surely be in the ghetto probably some gang that owns a bunch of guns. Would you trust them to keep you safe and live with them in their urban life? I personally would rather stay away from them. I know what the ghetto is like and in an apocalyptic situation I wouldn't trust them as much as I could throw them. :guns:

[rogeneck]

I doubt the ghetto pockets will survive. sure they have tons of guns but they have no planing and very little common knowledge in survival they relay on stores to get what they need and freak out when there shoes get dirty. also it will be a killed or be killed world in the big cities so people wont trust each other so there strongest defense wont be worth squat.

NOT TO SOUND RUDE BUT WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD CHOSE TO TRUST SOME ONE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO GET OUT OF THE GHETTO TO LEAD THEM

[Johnrchildsii]

NOT TO SOUND RUDE BUT WHO IN THERE RIGHT MIND WOULD CHOSE TO TRUST SOME ONE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO GET OUT OF THE GHETTO TO LEAD THEM

Is all you had to say.

[ZedHunter]

I agree.
They shoot cops for no reason. Or they shoot cops for stupid crimes they did. They lack any common knowledge of anything. They support themselves through drugs or welfare checks. Maybe thats just stereotyping, but if you live in a dangerous neighborhood only thing you can survive, if at all, is people shooting at each other.

I would stay far from the ghetto or any type of big city. Big city may have what you need, but you'll probably die trying to get it. So its worth looking other places.

Take these 2 pennies and keep them close. Its all I got.

[Johnrchildsii]

I know I shouldn't be in a city, but I want to stay. I like the buildings, the windows, the cars. I know the cars wont work, the buildings will look horrible if they are not burned down, and all the windows will be broken out I still want to live there. I am hoping all the zombies will be drawn out of town by the mass exodus of people trying to flee. :loon: I know.

[ZedHunter]

If you live on a higher floor of an apartment building, then you're safer than being on ground level.

[drdale]

People generally don't change their habits whether in a apocalyptic world or not - so if they were the kind of people who you wouldn't trust in life - they'd be the kind of people you wouldn't trust as the world collapsed. But then again, they'd have guns and I'm sure if you were useful to them they'd keep you around for a while. Besides, I'd prefer to be someones bitch than be eaten.



http://www.howtosurviveazombieapocalypse.co.uk

[kiltedninja]

I agree with everyone, gangs rely solely on urban or suburban environments to survive. None of the gangsters I've met or known have no concept of survival or function over form.

I'd get out of a city, because it's just too dangerous. I'd only go if I absolutely had to.

[ZedHunter]

I agree with everyone, gangs rely solely on urban or suburban environments to survive. None of the gangsters I've met or known have no concept of survival or function over form.

I'd get out of a city, because it's just too dangerous. I'd only go if I absolutely had to.They can barely survive normal life. Not sure how they'll survive thousands upon thousands of people trying to bite them. They'll run out of ammo sometime.

[Johnrchildsii]

They can barely survive normal life. Not sure how they'll survive thousands upon thousands of people trying to bite them. They'll run out of ammo sometime.

I thought the same thing but the drug dealer scum of the earth stick together. They would run out of ammunition eventually, but they would have a group tightly packed that are used to fighting hand to hand and can survive on ramen noodles alone with out power or water normally... I think they should have a deadliest warrior with a ghetto teen vs Bear Grylls

[homelitexl]

your all invited to my bomb shelter i found just bring your equipment

[DocTongue]

Trust me, I'm going to be no where near a big enough city for that nonsense, and if I was I would avoid those types like the plague.

But yeah, you're right, there probably would be a bunch of them around depending on the type of undead we're talking.

[ZedHunter]

I thought the same thing but the drug dealer scum of the earth stick together. They would run out of ammunition eventually, but they would have a group tightly packed that are used to fighting hand to hand and can survive on ramen noodles alone with out power or water normally... I think they should have a deadliest warrior with a ghetto teen vs Bear Grylls
They can survive without food or ammo. But..they'll be just as useless with or without supplies. Heh.

[homelitexl]

yeah like popeye needs spinach to fight i need my coors. im useless without it its how iget my charm brains and speed.

[kiltedninja]

Homelite, I think that's the first sentence I've seen you spell entirely right since I've come here.

[ZedHunter]

Me too.
*applauds*

[Johnrchildsii]

Congrats homeelite

[Dark Gale]

Nice job! *Thumbs up*

[mattifikation]

The people in ghettos can't even get by in an urban environment. The frickin food's right there in the store. The store's right there to get a damn job in... And they still can't figure out how to get by. They need their food stamps and HUD housing from the rest of our paychecks even now... how on earth would they get by in a zombie apocalypse?

[CityOfChicago]

how on earth would they get by in a zombie apocalypse?

Looting, theft, and related ne'er-do-well activities. So, pretty much life wouldnt change for them.

[Bob]

Homelite
What was the difference?
Were you drunk or sober? :)

[ZedHunter]

Looting, theft, and related ne'er-do-well activities. So, pretty much life wouldnt change for them.Looting will only get them killed, just like anyone else. Except, they would just go for it. Not see if someone is inside, as you said life wouldnt be different for them.