Gear

[stonyman65]

Since I didn't see it here, can everyone post their gear lists?

Heres mine

Primary: .30cal Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine with Tacrail and reflex sight
(5) 20rd Magazines
**Scattergun Technologies (Wilson Combat) Pro model 12ga shotgun with extended tube and Shurefire LED light

Secondary: .45cal Springfield Armory 1911A1 Government
(7) 7rd Magazines

Other:
500 .30 cal rounds (150gr. FMJ)
500 .45 cal rounds (230gr FMJ)
** 500 12ga Shotgun rounds
Hydra pack
7in Ka-Bar
Boresnake for .45 and .30
LED light
Multi tool
laser pointer
lighter/matches
cell phone/radio
gloves
combat mask
M67 surplus jacket
watch
steel toe boots
Tactical vest/webgear
medical supplies
duct tape


thats about it.

[Z-Day is very soon]

Primary: Izhevsk Mechanical Works Avtomat Kalasnikova 1947 Godina (7.62x39mm M43) and PP-19 Bizon (7.62x25mm Tokarev)
(Both Russian)

Secondary: CZ-99 (Former Yugoslavia) (.40S&W)

Other:
10 7.62x39mm Drums of 75 or 15 Magazines For Ak
10 Bizon Clips 7.62x25mm Tokarev
1250 Cz-99 .40s&w Rounds
Grad-2 Assault Vest (ANA) (holds 8 Avtomat Kalasnikova Clips/Drums and 4 RKD Grenades)
Led FlashLight
Medical Kit
Fishing Kit
4 Flares
Talkie Walkie
Šajkača
Vodka OR Slijvovica

I Bet Your Wondering Why So Many Russian/Serbian Supplies
I Gotta Support My Russian Brothers!
Rusi i Srbi Pravoslavna braca Zauvek!
Samo SLoga Srbina Spasava !
Kosovo je Srbija!

[AN OLD SHOE]

my primary weapon would be a 30/30 rifle with scope


my secondary weapon would be a glock 9mm i have shot them alot and i hear they arereally reliable...but idk what 9mm gun is the most reliable...so im just going with what im told...and my neighbor has 2 so im sure he would give me one



i would take my 7in Ka Bar
my 2 med kits
spare underwear and socks
a painters mask
protective glasses
a spotlight
2 led flash lights
binoculars
2 smoke grenades
glow sticks
matches
flares
watch
7 bottles of water
duct tape
spray paint
mirror
walkie talkies
cell phone and charger
radio

and if i had room to take it..my guitar! that thing is my life

[EliteDragonX]

Okay, my primary would be:
SIR (Standard Infantry Rifle) semi-auto assault rifle (Check World War Z HAHA!)
Waterproof, Sandproof, Dirtproof, with extra parts kit, additional different length barrels for short range, mid-range and Long range combat,
8" Combat spike, using 5.56 Cherry PIE rounds (Pyrotechnically Initiated Explosive) Basically they explode in the Zed's head and shred their brains with shrapnel. Pretty cool eh? :rock:

Secondary:Spas-12 Automatic shotgun with folding stock, red-dot sight with solar powered batteries, and red coated flashlight attachment.
carries 12 shells per load.

I'd take a 10" Black bear classic knife, with grip.
Trench Spike.
Titanium Crowbar.
600 Rounds 5.56 PIE.
96 12 Gauge Shotgun shells, 48 Buckshot, 48 Slugshot.
Medkit.
Solar powered GPS
Backup maps.
Flare gun w/3 flares
4 bottles of water
Backup red coated crank flashlight and battery powered flashlight.
Binoculars.
Gas mask.
Walkie talkies.
Radio.
5 Days worth of food.
3 sticks of dynamite for sealing buildings, blocking roads, sending zombies sprawling, etc.
Watch.
Biteproof BDU Kevlar suit.
Bulletproof Helmet with visor for looters, raiders, etc.
All purpose tool.
Lighter.
Silencer for SIR.
Gloves.
Matches.

[fester_hicks]

work boots, a kitchen knife and a blackpowder .44 revolver (with accessories)...a backpack with foot and water, a map and a Leatherman.

Thats what I would realastically get out with in a "surprise attack".

[mattifikation]

Alright folks, what does everyone think would work as the best defensive armor?

There are lots of things to consider when picking your protective gear:

1. Movement restriction - You might want to consider something that gives you free range of motion so you can twist your way out of a zombie grapple quickly!

2. Heat insulation - This could be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on where you are and what time of the year it is.

3. Protection offered - Full riot gear would give you the most protection, but might interfere with your motion and would also be heavy.

4. Weight - Lightweight armor will let you move further and faster with less energy.

5. Streamlining - Tactical gear with velcro straps and bulging pockets might look cool and have some useful functions, but at the worst possible time they might just turn into handles for zombies to latch on to.

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Keeping all that in mind, I think I would go with leather, head-to-toe. Leather can't be bitten through easily and can be made water resistant to enough of a degree to stop zombie saliva if your skin is broken by a bite. I'd also wear concealable bullet proof vest. While those don't stop all the bullets that are out there, it would offer some protection from crazy people with hand guns and would be better than nothing at all.

I'd go with some extra protection on my hands, with leather gloves over top and slash-resistant gloves underneath. If I had some stiff leather material, I would wear that over my forearms.

Boots would have to be waterproof, thick enough that zombies couldn't bite through, and come high up my shins to guard against ankle-biting severed zombie heads. I would prefer something that buckles up or even velcro over something that can come untied. Good traction is also important!

For headgear, I'd go with a paintball mask over a leather balaclava to protect my eyes, nose, and mouth from zombie blood splatter.

I wouldn't choose anything that had extra collars, unnecessary pockets, laces, or other decorations. And I'd go with the tightest clothing I could get that would still be comfortable.

I'd be very uncomfortable in that get-up during the summer, but any outdoor excursions I made would be extremely short ranged anyways. Indoors I'd relax the armor a bit.

What would everyone else wear?

[Zombie_215]

Two problems...


Keeping all that in mind, I think I would go with leather, head-to-toe. Leather can't be bitten through easily and can be made water resistant to enough of a degree to stop zombie saliva if your skin is broken by a bite. I'd also wear concealable bullet proof vest. While those don't stop all the bullets that are out there, it would offer some protection from crazy people with hand guns and would be better than nothing at all.

Leather doesn't breathe very well, so heat exhaustion would be a major problem. At anytime of the year.

As for the bullet-proof vest, what if the "crazy people" go for a headshot? The vest won't help you than.


For headgear, I'd go with a paintball mask over a leather balaclava to protect my eyes, nose, and mouth from zombie blood splatter.

How do you wipe your face off and fight off zombies at the same time? The zeds will be all over you the instant you stop fighting to clean the gore off of your face mask.

[mattifikation]

You can't go completely unprotected. Like I said, I wouldn't spend much time outside. I'd only wear this getup when I was completely exposed and out in the open, not if I was in my home, or in a securely fenced in yard, or in a vehicle, etc.

As for head shots, well, you can't go head-to-toe in body armor. The vest just helps my odds a bit. If somebody shoots me in the head, I guess I'll just die. It's better than dying if anyone shoots me period.

And as for wiping my face mask off, well, I've got two choices. 1) I can be stuck wiping my face mask off, 2) I can take a splash of zombie gore to the face and catch the infection. Sounds like a no-brainer to me.

[Darkness]

"Come on folks. The section isn't that big yet. Try looking before starting threads, ok?"

[stonyman65]

There where no threads like this when I came in. Maybe before the UDS&D overhaul, but not after.

Sorry if this has already been discussed.

[mattifikation]

But this thread's about all kinds of gear. I was specifically interested in ideas for armor. The weapons threads aren't all moved here. :-/

[stonyman65]

But this thread's about all kinds of gear. I was specifically interested in ideas for armor. The weapons threads aren't all moved here. :-/

yeah, what he said!

lol

Yeah, anything you want to bring.

[Jester]

So i found this site today when i was bored on google.

Ive been reading the zombie survival guide when i go to borders occasionally.


I was looking around on this section and couldnt help but notice something:


Nobody has discussed a survival pack.


Pre packed

Light weight

In a school backpack or duffel bag (compact)

I was thinking about putting one together soon, stocked to last one person for up to four days.


Heres what i was thinking:


I change of clothes (t shirt, jeans, sweater, uunderwear, socks)

1 quart water bottle pre filled and purified

4 days worth of ramen noodles (assuming three meals a day)

Can opener

BASIC toiletry kit (tooth brush, toothpaste, razor and cream)

Swiss army knife (meant as a tool not weapon)

Roll of duct tape

Small med kit (basic painkillers sudafed and tums, pluss some gaze and dissinfectant)

Water purification tablets



Please add to this, or give me ideas of what you would include. Remember, the idea of this pack is when i hear moans of undead, people screaming and gunshots, i have a pack i can get to, so all i have to worry about is getting to a firearm and blade, then getting the hell out.

[Darkness]

"You didn't search very well, did you?" :lol:

[Lian]

In this guys defense I don't really like having a half dozen super threads that cover broad topics as apposed to a bunch of smaller threads that cover more specific ends of it. But I'm not the mod so whatever. :drinking:


@op Theoretically if you dropped me butt naked in the woods I still have enough skillz and knowledge to survive. I've done it before where I just had a knife on me and survived for a week off just what I found in the woods, well I used water tablets and a canteen too, since I didn't use the pot to boil drinking water, though I did get myself a way to boil and store water on the third day. Granted I had a full pack with food and stuff set aside if I needed it, but I didn't use it, just did it the other way to see if I could. So with that in mind it's not that hard to make yourself a cutting tool either.

So really I just got a basic kit for running. Clothes, 3 days food, fire starting implements, water treatment things, few shotgun shells, duct tape...Whole thing is less than 25 pounds before adding more food for longer runs, and is suitable for running any time of the year, no matter the weather. Lightweight, and just carrying the little "essentials," first order of business is to get to a safe and defensible location, then go from there.

[Jester]

Yeah, sorry about the new topic although i do kinda agree witht he one guy about not having a few super threads....


But whatevs :)


So i started packing my bag...kinda sad right now (i have NO money)


half dozen packs of ramen

2 1 liter bottles of purified water
1 8 oz bottle of water (easier to carry on the move)

1 sweater, pair of jeans, pair of boxers, t shirt

Toothbrush

toothpaste

3 books (im sorry but i might die of boredom some days)


All of this is in my duffel bag and weighs about 15 pounds i do believe



Do you have any suggestions? Not only in what else to pack ( i have room for maybe five more pounds of stuff) but what to pack it in? (please dont say a military pack...or hiking pack i dont own either and cant afford anything more than a large school backpack)

[detpat]

I'm more in favor of several smaller, more focused threads. more interesting and less wasted time and energy.

[Darkness]

"Thats easy for you guys to say. Your not the ones who will end up having to patrol a thousand threads, reading each one, and fighting to keeping each conversation on topic. Nor are you guys the ones trying to keep an updated Index going, so the different topics can be found a lot easier."

"The last time this section was open it was chaos, no one could find anything and kept repeating topics. We had more pages than you could imagine. Everyone complained that stuff was 'hard to track down', and when the Administration finally had to clean it all out, everyone complained about missing topics, threads and posts."

"I'm am doing my best to keep that from happening again."



"Let's get back to talking about Gear, thank you."

[detpat]

nope, been a mod and know exactly what it's all about, still my opinion.

[Dave Of The Dead]

What I plan on having by end of next year (haven't decided on specifics):
30-06 Hunting rifle with 10 extra mags (preferably higher capacity)
.45 cal handgun with 5 extra mags
800 rounds for 30-06
400 rounds for .45

What I have now:
10" combat/ survival khukuri
8" buck knife
4" skinning knife (for small-large game)
Whet stone and other sharpeners
.22 revolver w/ 1000 rounds
Gun Cleaning kit
4 bandannas (for use as extra bandages or misc. uses)
Leather jacket
Steel Toe combat boots
300 ft of rope
Books of knots
Canteen

I'm sure there is more stuff, but at the time, this is all I can think of.

[detpat]

that's a pretty good start. If so inclined you could check out the survival discussion and gear sections of the outdoor forum on arf.com, some pretty good info and most of it from folks who actually practice and use the info and gear.

[Lian]

"Thats easy for you guys to say. Your not the ones who will end up having to patrol a thousand threads, reading each one, and fighting to keeping each conversation on topic. Nor are you guys the ones trying to keep an updated Index going, so the different topics can be found a lot easier."

"The last time this section was open it was chaos, no one could find anything and kept repeating topics. We had more pages than you could imagine. Everyone complained that stuff was 'hard to track down', and when the Administration finally had to clean it all out, everyone complained about missing topics, threads and posts."

"I'm am doing my best to keep that from happening again."


"Let's get back to talking about Gear, thank you."

That's just busy fourms in general dear. :hug:


Some of my favorite toys in the camping bag.
Titanium Spork (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/camping-outdoors/8ace/)
OHSO Pocket Toothbrush (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/camping-outdoors/9270/) Very cool that one stores it's own toothpaste.
Personal water filtration Straw (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/camping-outdoors/a119/) It's nice, fits in the pocket and is usable straight from the river.
Crushable bowls. (http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/camping-outdoors/a8ab/)

[Onslaught]

SAR-1 in 7.62x39 9x 30rnd mags 1x 10 rnd mag.
Steyr M9-A1 in 9mm 4x 15rnd mags
Sig Mosquito in .22 3x 10rnd mags


500 7.62x39 (270 preloaded into mags the rest in strippers)
300 9mm
1000 .22 cal rounds
cold steel bushman
falcata style blade
fiskars camp axe
zenon pelican m6
gerber Multi tool
lighter/matches/magnesium match
cell phone/radio/garmin gps
mechanix impact yard glove
milsurp gas mask, vforce grill
multicam bdu top and pant
watch
steel toe boots
molle vest/multicam pouches/hydration pack
medical supplies/painkillers/alcohol/peroxide
duct tape
paracord
powerbar/mypolex/detour meal replacement bars
5hour energy b-vitamin shots
extra socks
water purification tablets


i still need to go pick up a rew odds & ends...

[Hitman]

Primary: Izhevsk Mechanical Works Avtomat Kalasnikova 1947 Godina (7.62x39mm M43) and PP-19 Bizon (7.62x25mm Tokarev)
(Both Russian)



where in the heck did you find a bizon? I've looked and have never even seen one in the US. send me a PM with a link.



more inline with thread.

AR15 with an 11.5" barrel , suppressed , with a 3.5X acog . a ciner conversion w/ mags and a 250 lumen cree light
G 19 , suppressed or PT99 suppressed
an 870 AOW 12" barrel (opens any doors that may be locked)

300 5.56 in mags or 75gr tap
120 147gr JHP 9mm in mags + 100 more in boxes
500rds winchester dynapoint .22lr
25 slugs + 20 buck

crtk hittassu knife on belt
benchmade folder clipped to pocket
gerber plyers
ronson jetlight
cree AA flashlight
$1000 in cash (some one will still take it)
flask with PGA or other high proof alc.
power bars
stride gum
water bottle
sharpee
cell phone


in pack

2 glow sticks
msr swee****er
ducktape
paracord
nails (16p , 50pcs)
50 pull string crakers
trail mix
space blanket
first aid kit
spare batteries
1# of black powder
small hammer
extra socks
foot powder
personal hygeene stuff
extra shirt and pants (cargo)


all is either ready or could be grabbed in a very quick moments notice .

[44hogleg]

weapons/tactical:
- Bolt action .308 savage (3-9x40 bushnell scope)
- glock 23 chambered in .40 S&W
- winchester 12 gauge pump shotgun
- 6 1/2" kabar
- binoculars or spotting scope
- steel toe boots
- pleanty of space to carry ammo (180 grain full metal jackets for the .308, hollow points for the .40, and both buckshot and slugs for the 12 gauge)

other supplies:
- leatherman
- matches/lighter/flint and steel
- water bottles (2)
- water purifier
- power bars/dehydrated food
- para cord (100 ft)
- 9mm static climbing rope (50 ft)
- plenty of socks
- duct tape
- extra warm layers of clothing
- first aid kit


If/when something happens, I plan to be on the move with whatever weapons and survival gear I can carry. I have all of this gear already and it could be assembled in about 5 minutes (I know, I need to consolodate it - bug out bag maybe?)

[domdoy]

.22 semi auto pistol, ammo brick
9mm semi auto handgun, 100ammo pack
steel toed combat boots (for when things get brutal :D)
winchester hunting knife (the BIG kind)
Converse shoes :3
canteen
military issue jacket
smaller backpack
first aid kit (big one)
combat pants, lotsa pockets :]
gloves, hopefully with grip
huge rolls of duct tape
shoulder holster for the .22
solar charge gps
pack of batteries
army helmet
rations
20 lighters

thats about all i can think of right now :P

[homelitexl]

uh heres my list
my truck
pack of trojans
my saws
my guns
buttload of canned goods
can opener
lighter
dynamite
clothes
my armor
cb radio
sledge hammer
and a christmas ham

[Bob]

I don't care what they say about you Hometextile you have a good sense of humor. I actually laughed when I saw the last two items on your list were sledgehammer and Christmas ham. I got this mental image of a guy opening a canned ham with a sledgehammer.

Thanks I needed a laugh today.

[homelitexl]

your welcome hey i was thinkingt bait or food and hey all of its usefull

[homelitexl]

wait waht they say about me

[ninja steve]

Will have a Romanian Ak-47 with 1000 rounds by the end of the year hopefully
18inch machete
7 inch ka-bar

7 packs of ramen
5 20 oz bottles water
2 20 oz bottles gatorade
2 glowsticks
2 sets black bdu
2 pairs cotton socks
1 pair wool socks
small flashlight
Black boots
camo waterproof jacket

If I am able to use my car (2000 Crown vic ex highway patrol car)
3 5gallon tanks of gas
5500w generator
tool box
extra clothes
extra food
glass bottles for moltov cocktails
first aid kit
All the alcohol in my fridge

[biohazard]

First post, yay! I always love talking about survival - especially in a zombie infected world. As far as gear goes, I'd be set. I have most of this stuff in my room already packed (no, I'm not actually preparing for a zombie outbreak :)).

Survival backpack already packed:
- first aid kit
- space blanket
- rubbing alcohol
- fire starters, whistle, signal mirror, manual chain saw
- lighters
- matches
- candles and lamp
- water purification tablets
- glowsticks
- compass (and a small 2nd one, doesn't hurt to have 2)
- small hatchet
- fairly large folding knife
- fishing kit (very small collapsible rod, many hooks, different artificial baits)
- sewing kit with a lot of extra string
- wind up flashlight
- LED flashlight with extra batteries
- duct tape
- 2 water bottles
- a few chocolate bars
- a coil of rope
- a whole bunch of folded garbage bags
- a small, pocket sized version of the SAS Survival guide


A different smaller backpack I use for.. well.... other things:
- 7" KaBar
- Extendable police baton (26")
- LED flashlight with red lens attached
- extra batteries
- Large screwdriver that can be used for prying
- Leatherman multitool
- Pin tumbler lock pick set
- Warded lockpicks
- A few different tools that work better on wafer locks
- Tubular lockpicks
- Automotive jiggler "lockpicks"
- Lock bypass tools
- Automotive bypass tools
- Rifle scope I use instead of binoculars
- A few folded garbage bags

I'd also quickly grab my trusty tool box in the garage, it is small and has everything I need to fix most issues concerning mechanical devices and motors. Yes, cars are a hobby of mine. A detailed map of my whole province off the shelf on my way out too would also come along. I can't say for sure but I would probably remember to take a few cheap cardboard dust masks and a pair or two of safety goggles to keep infected blood from getting to me.

I got a nice 1944 M1 Garand (30-06) with a scope on it (with cleaning kit). I probably have enough ammo laying around for an initial outbreak, but I'm too lazy to go check my cabinet. A co2 pellet pistol and slingshot would come with me too, they would come in handy hunting small birds and rodents for food.


Keep in mind I live in north-western Canada so it gets cold here at night during the summer and all the time during the winter. For clothing I'd put on and grab the following and quickly shove it into a sports bag:
- Warm socks and underwear, about 5 pairs each
- 2 pairs of jeans
- 2 pairs of sweat pants
- 1 really thin pair of pants I could wear underneath the jeans
- 2 warm sweaters
- 3 shirts
- A warm Columbia coat
- A leather jacket
- A few warm hats and gloves
- A pair of black sneakers
- A pair of steel toe boots
I'd probably be wearing the following: dark jeans, black shirt, maybe a thin sweater or another shirt over top, leather jacket, fingerless leather gloves and a warm leather hat. My nice 600$ tritium diving watch would never leave my wrist.

Depending on whether I remember or not, I'd throw some personal hygiene items in a bag such as toilet paper and a tooth brush. These are not strictly necessary and could be acquired later on.

I'd quickly grab as many water bottles and as many cans and other non perishable food items I could find in my kitchen and load all the sh*t I mentioned above in my car. I have a few 10L jugs of fuel in my garage as well so I would take those too for obvious reasons. I would stop at a small gas station on the way there (very slim chance of infection since they are out of town). I doubt anyone would have raided the place before me. I'd walk in and beat whoever is there down and then raid it for snacks, caffeine drinks and anything else that could help sustain me. My life comes first, so I really wouldn't care if I kill someone during this. I'd head north towards the mountains and build myself a small log cabin in the middle of nowhere. I'd hunt and fish for food. This should get me through the initial phase of the infection and keep me going until the infected die off from starvation. I would keep by myself or with 2-3 other people I know I can trust. The more people there are, the more chances for error. Last but not least, I'm physically fit and know how to take care of myself in the wild.

If I would have to ditch a lot of stuff and move on foot I'd take my survival backpack and run or stuff a few basic lock picking tools and KaBar in it too. It all depends if I would have the time or not. I'd also carry the gun bag with some ammo around my shoulder in addition to the backpack on my back.

Yeah, it's a huge post but this sums up everything I would carry and do.

[Spot]

I would have..

1.My Mosen Nagant. russian 7.62 bolt action
2.My Automatic Remington 12 guage
3. the rest i would scavenge



and close to 200 7.62 rounds and 50 12 guage

[homelitexl]

wow you have enough crap you aint gonna be able to walk

[Spot]

i have a good pack to go with it, also my compound bow with about 12 broad head arrows, very quiet and deadly plus im a good shot.
Also iwould have my trump, ohh yes trump, a 5 shot .357 Mag with holdster and about two boxes of ammo.



..i love that gun

[CAVU45]

I've seen some pretty good lists and some that made me laugh. But there are a few things I've noticed that are missing. Everyone has water bottles on thier lists. Instead of carrying heavy water bottles purchase a Camelback. 2 litres of water can be carried in the standard Camelback and it fits like a backpack. With the water tube extending over the shoulder there's no stopping to pull out a water bottle. Simply stick the tube in your mouth and drink while on the move. The Camelback even comes as a backpack ,so two birds can be killed with one stone. I'd trade the Molle vests for old fashioned LBE. The Molle vest just isn't that comfortable to me and it's hard to fit properly with a pistol belt. What's with the kevlar suits some are talking about? Kevlar isn't puncture proof. Maybe slightly more resistant than street clothes, but not enough to make a huge difference. Remember, Kevlar can be sewn. 'Nuff said. Now, when I think of gear I'm thinking of stuff I'll have to carry on my back while hiking. Sorry folks, but unless you're built like the Hulk you aren't going to be carrying 1,000 rounds of any ammo (except maybe .22). It's way too heavy. The average person could carry no more than a basic load for a day or two. Pushing it, you might be able to carry 400 rounds of your favorite rifle ammo with probably no more than ten mags of pistol ammo (assuming .45ACP). Now steel toe boots are a nice idea from the novels, but try running and gunning in them for a day. They were made for shops, not field use. The last thing I'll mention is gloves. A good pair of tactical gloves are a Godsend. There are several styles on the market from Hatch, Blackhawk, SOG and others. My favorite is the Oakley SI Assault glove. Leather with a carbon fiber knuckle plating and roomy enough to fit a pair of GI style inserts into when it's chilly out. Finally, let's not forget the good old MRE's. They don't taste too bad and have the added benefit of having the heat packet with them. No worries about building a fire to heat water for a meal like Ramen noodles. That's about it. I'd pretty much carry the guns and gear that everyone else is posting with these exceptions. My ACU's, boots, guns and field pack and out the door I go with my family.

[biohazard]

That crap would be staying in my car, not with me. Like I said, my survival backpack would be a priority to carry on foot (it looks like there's a lot of shit in it - and there is, but all the kits by themselves are minimal and light; remember, I've climbed mountains with this thing). If I can, the rifle would come as a 2nd priority. The other backpack is fairly light and it would be nice to have my lockpicks on me so I can get into anything for supplies without making a lot of noise.

CAVU45, I can't stand normal steel toed boots. I got a 40$ black pair from Walmart that are pretty much just like a fairly thick shoe with steel toes (no ankle support). They are godly and they have served me very well so far.

[Bob]

All fine and well for bugging out to avoid the Ruskies ala Red Dawn.
But remember scavenging is the name of the game.

[homelitexl]

hey bob dont forget the ham its ham er time

[Bob]

Homelitexl

That was good!

[homelitexl]

thanks i added some items to my list.
gas can
some rags
old glass bottles
black powder
pvc pipe in inch long chunks
twelve gauge shells
b.b's
quarters
nails
duct tape
a roasted turkey

[Onslaught]

I've seen some pretty good lists and some that made me laugh. But there are a few things I've noticed that are missing. Everyone has water bottles on thier lists. Instead of carrying heavy water bottles purchase a Camelback. 2 litres of water can be carried in the standard Camelback and it fits like a backpack. With the water tube extending over the shoulder there's no stopping to pull out a water bottle. Simply stick the tube in your mouth and drink while on the move. The Camelback even comes as a backpack ,so two birds can be killed with one stone. I'd trade the Molle vests for old fashioned LBE. The Molle vest just isn't that comfortable to me and it's hard to fit properly with a pistol belt. What's with the kevlar suits some are talking about? Kevlar isn't puncture proof. Maybe slightly more resistant than street clothes, but not enough to make a huge difference. Remember, Kevlar can be sewn. 'Nuff said. Now, when I think of gear I'm thinking of stuff I'll have to carry on my back while hiking. Sorry folks, but unless you're built like the Hulk you aren't going to be carrying 1,000 rounds of any ammo (except maybe .22). It's way too heavy. The average person could carry no more than a basic load for a day or two. Pushing it, you might be able to carry 400 rounds of your favorite rifle ammo with probably no more than ten mags of pistol ammo (assuming .45ACP). Now steel toe boots are a nice idea from the novels, but try running and gunning in them for a day. They were made for shops, not field use. The last thing I'll mention is gloves. A good pair of tactical gloves are a Godsend. There are several styles on the market from Hatch, Blackhawk, SOG and others. My favorite is the Oakley SI Assault glove. Leather with a carbon fiber knuckle plating and roomy enough to fit a pair of GI style inserts into when it's chilly out. Finally, let's not forget the good old MRE's. They don't taste too bad and have the added benefit of having the heat packet with them. No worries about building a fire to heat water for a meal like Ramen noodles. That's about it. I'd pretty much carry the guns and gear that everyone else is posting with these exceptions. My ACU's, boots, guns and field pack and out the door I go with my family.

i agree, many of the larger tools and most of the ammo that's not in mags will stay with the vehicle or shelter. I personally like the MOLLE vest/Battle belt combo i've got right now, i've had no problems wearing it all day. then again, i'm just a civilian with a severe painttball addiction. I still need more pouches though, good multicam is hard to find.

[stonyman65]

One thing that almost everyone forgot (including me so I should really shut up) is: Lockpicks

[CAVU45]

i agree, many of the larger tools and most of the ammo that's not in mags will stay with the vehicle or shelter. I personally like the MOLLE vest/Battle belt combo i've got right now, i've had no problems wearing it all day. then again, i'm just a civilian with a severe painttball addiction. I still need more pouches though, good multicam is hard to find.

Is it the standard MOLLE vest or the RAC. The RAC is excellent and comfortable to wear all day long. I chucked my regular MOLLE vest after a few days. The main problem I had with it was simple comfort. It isn't adjustable for body type and doesn't breath well. Add a three day or assault pack and it'll rub you raw. A regular pistol belt can be attached, but there are so many loops used for attachment that it's hard to add magazine pouches and a holster. So the RAC is a better investment IMHO. Add a pistol belt with a drop leg rig. A good example of the Ranger rack can be found here http://www.uscav.com/Productinfo.aspx?productID=9996&TabID=1&CatID=754
The US Cav Store, ranger Joe's and shops like that carry a wide variety of tactical gear sure to come in handy.

[Darkness]

"Learn how to sew, and you can add as many pockets as you can fit on the garment." :) :lol:

[Bob]

Better yet, get a girlfriend who can sew...

[CAVU45]

Ha! Excellent!! But what would us guys do then without all our cool gear to drool over? I just can't imagine telling another guy, "I want to sew a new magazine pouch on my field blouse, but I'm just so worried about making a fashion faux paw. Should I go with neutral colors or simply get another field blouse for the spring?" Does this make me look fat? :lol:

[Darkness]

"Sailors mend their own sails, Soldiers repair their own tents in the field, and most survival Training Classes teach basic Sewing, so you can repair the things you have with you.......so why not you too? Sewing is not just 'a woman's job' any more. It's a skill that all should know."

[homelitexl]

One thing that almost everyone forgot (including me so I should really shut up) is: Lockpicks

dont need them if your raiding just bust the door down with a sledge hammer.

[DBCooper]

dont need them if your raiding just bust the door down with a sledge hammer.

It might be a good idea NOT to ruin the door? Then you could lock it behind you and keep the zombies on the other side?

[Darkness]

It might be a good idea NOT to ruin the door? Then you could lock it behind you and keep the zombies on the other side?

"Good point." :clap:

[homelitexl]

if i'm raiding it will be like a one night stand in and out in 5 min our less or your money back.

[Darkness]

"That door could be the difference between two minutes to get in, get done, and get out, and five minutes. Which would then include get away."

[Dave Of The Dead]

You could get one of those automatic lockpick guns and it will only take a few seconds. And no, not an ACTUAL gun.

[Darkness]

"I know exactly what you mean."

[Bob]

I wonder how well those lock pick guns actually work?
I think they are "jigglers" but never having used one I don't know.
I do know shooting a good padlock is not the easy way to get it unlocked many people think it is.

[homelitexl]

yeah but they would be hard to find.

[Dave Of The Dead]

yeah but they would be hard to find.

The internet. They're expensive as hell, but I would assume that they would be totally worth it if you come into a situation where you would need one.

[homelitexl]

still like breakin it down better or better yet use the r-p-d.

[Bob]

I wish I could remember where but I read somewhere that those guns are not "all that and a bag of chips". I wish I knew someone who had one to see how well they work.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well, I'm impressed. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwFWiwR51E

[Bob]

Seem to work well.
Perhaps to well?

[The Stoli Strafer]

Looks real easy to get yourself into a LOT of trouble having one of those!

[Bob]

In the present it would get you put in jail if they found it in your pocket.

In the zpaw it would be a great thing to have, no more kicking in doors, you could enter quietly and be able to lock the door behind yourself.

[homelitexl]

but my rpd idea is good too. right?

[Darkness]

but my rpd idea is good too. right?

"Enough about that damn rpd!! It's annoying."

[DarthJoe8]

That lock pick gun is sweet. I want one but I don't really have a need for one. :think:

:drinking:

[Darkness]

"Maybe not at this time, DarthJoe8, but best to get one now, before the zombies get here, and they all get taken." ;-) :lol:

[DarthJoe8]

I showed it to the wife and she :roll: at me...."what do you need that for","are they legal", I said, buuuut hun, in the event of a ZPAW that lil gadet would be a life saver, you can get into a safe building without blowing/kicking in doors...... Once in you can relock it.......I don't think that I convinced her.:lol:

:drinking:At least I'll get to "I told you so" when the outbreak begins. :doh:

[Bob]

One good "I told you so" is worth a dozen lockpics.
Right?
Right?
C'mon tell me I am right...

[DarthJoe8]

Your right!! :clap: Hah!! Take that!! You should have let me buy the lock picks!! :lol: Now we're going to be eaten!! :roll:

[homelitexl]

plan be bust the door down what if the picks break?

[biohazard]

Don't waste money on a pick gun. They don't work like you think it will. It is faster to pick by hand using a hook pick in 95% of cases. A few youtube videos where the author practiced on that single lock hundreds of times does NOT equal a real world situation. Plus some locks just can't be opened with pick guns or by raking, period. The only way to do it is single pin pick. Oh, I forgot to mention those guns are loud up close. Way too loud to be stealthy at all.

Invest in a lock pick set and learn to use it well, or make your own picks. Google for how to do that. I have made myself a LOT of the picks I use frequently. I find that what I can produce is of better quality than medium end retail (in the still affordable range). Automotive tools take too much time to make so I spend a few hundred dollars on some. Same goes for a few specialty tools I own. I can open any lock on any given day quickly, silently and without a trace. Also be prepared to spend 1-2 minutes on some locks, it's not as fast as Hollywood makes it. I consider 1 minute pretty damn good.

Depending on where you live, you can get into a lot of s*it for having any lock opening or bypass tools with you. I was never caught but it got pretty darn close on a few separate occations. Unless you have some ethically questionable "hobbies" like me, it's hard to get caught with them unless you hang your tools out your pocket.

[DarthJoe8]

:think: good info Bio...........:drinking:

[homelitexl]

yeah but a sledge hammer in that case is useful and quiker.

[Bob]

How about a "breaching" shotgun?

http://www.combatshootingandtactics.com/published/Shotgun_Breaching.pdf

[homelitexl]

yeah that would work too.

[kiltedninja]

Right, well, it's gear we're looking at.. Here's what I've got(Or am getting soon)

Rifle: Springfield Armory M1A.
Sidearm: Machete, one of decent thickness(Can't give you an exact measure.)
Knife: CRKT First Strike

Other Gear:
Hiking pack
Two Quart Sized Nalgene bottles(Mine are red)
Boiling pot
First Aid kit
Three duplicates of the following:
Pants, preferably a pair of hiking pants
Long Sleeved shirts
Socks, Smartwools, I'm particular about my socks.
(Duplicates end here)
Fleece jacket
Rainproof outerjacket
Sleeping bag, rated to at least 0 degrees.
Journal and several pens.
Binoculars
Crank/shaker flashlight
Crank radio
Boots, Once again, I have my particular favorites.
five hundred rounds for my M1A.

Overall, I've thrown this pack together, it's not much heavier than my usual hiking load, but I don't carry my rifle and ammo with me hiking.

[secretcog]

I wrote this for another forum I'm a member of (www.mabusincarnate.com) and I thought it could be of some use here...

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How many times have you found yourself ill-equipped in an emergency? Don’t be ashamed. It’s happened to us all. There are so many variations of circumstance when encountering an urgent situation that the requirements of preparedness are virtually unpredictable. But before you throw up your arms in defeat, try packing a go-bag first.

A go-bag is a collection of immediate (short term) survival essentials. This assortment of items should be packed into a vessel that you consider easily transportable. Here is a basic go-bag contents list that I copied and pasted from:

http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Go-Bag

1. Get a sturdy backpack or messenger bag.

2. Add the following (as your situation may dictate):

o First Aid Kit - a decent well-stocked kit, including a couple of weeks' supply of any prescription medications you need.

o Maxi Pads - these absorb blood - can be used as a bandage if needed and also are sanitary product items if needed

o Cash - plenty of it because depending on the event credit cards may not be useful. Consider having about $200 in ones, that way you never need change. A couple of quarter rolls could come in handy for vending and laundry, too. Do not "flash" it around, unless you like being robbed, even assaulted, i.e. mugged.

o Clothing - cotton is useless once it gets wet; add thermal wear

o Blankets - to keep you warm, or a stretcher

o Flashlights, or snap lights

o "Self Powered flashlights and Self powered radio", found at Wal*Mart and Radio Shack, on the Internet. Order beforehand, so you have them when you need them. Try and find a battery when you need one in a emergency situation. You'll have info. as well as light in a emergency situation.

o Food - keeps you nourished; include energy bars

o Water - to drink, ration it

o Pistol and ammo - choose a popular caliber and have about 200 rounds of ammo (Before making a decision to carry a firearm get professional training)

o Lighter - don't use matches, they can get wet (or find waterproof matches at camping stores)

o Other Fire starting aids, such as a magnifying glass, magnesium "fire starters", info to build primative fire starting devices, similar devices as the need arises.

o Hand and feet warmers - get the carbon activated kind they work great

o Rope - has endless uses, choose various sizes (rubber bands, too)

o Big black trash Bags - poncho, cut open to make a tent

o Multi-Use knife - Leatherman, Gerber, Victorinox Swiss tool, preferably one with a saw blade. Don't waste your money on anything costing less than $50.

o Dust masks (2 per person)

o Duct tape

o Plastic sheeting

o Copies of passport, driver's license, insurance, and any other important documents

o A map of the area you plan to go

o Mylar solar blanket

o Toiletries. You may have to "Go" in the woods, away from civilization.

o ID. Keep a sticky pad and a pen in case you need to leave a note for family to let them know where you went or where to meet. Also, keep at least one wallet size photo of your immediate family, children, or pets. This is crucial in case you get separated and need to enlist the help of others to find your loved ones.

3. *Gel antibacterial hand wash (non rinse) available at any pharmacy and most supermarkets and convenience stores, for cleaning hands and even wounds in a pinch. You never know what you may have to touch in an emergency.

Tips
• You can go crazy adding stuff to this bag depending on the potential for emergencies and the environment you live in, you should edit the bag. A bag put together by a person living in Montana worrying about wildfire would be more likely to have warm clothing than someone in Florida who worries about hurricanes.

• Consider well ahead of time what you'd take if you had a day's notice, a couple of hours' notice to pack the car, or five minutes' notice to 'get out now' (the go bag). Make a plan and a checklist.

• Pay attention to the news. If there is a fire burning nearby, or violent weather coming, consider staging a few things in boxes to be ready for an evacuation. Consider evacuating BEFORE it's mandatory, and you'll have a much better time compared to people who wait until everyone else is leaving and get stuck with traffic and shortages.

• Make arrangements for places to stay well ahead of time. Make a deal: If there's an emergency/evacuation, they can come to your home, or you to theirs. Crashing on someone's sofa or camping in their yard is infinitely preferable to a public shelter.

• If you have to take medications, make sure you keep them all in one place, and can sweep them into the go bag without any searching. Refill your meds before you're nearly out of them.

Warnings
• Do not put this in a place which is difficult to get to. You may need to get out very quickly and not have a chance to run up to the attic.

• Don't carry a firearm unless you know that you can and will use it. Most shelters will require you to surrender it, anyway.

Authors
• Anonymous, Imperatrix, Ben Rubenstein, Katatina, Jack H, KnowItSome, Flickety, Nancy Shaw, Fruit Boy, Maluniu, Viral, Rockmonkey4004, Pirate3, C#Freak, Lillian May

-END QUOTE-

The items outlined above seem fairly reasonable to obtain, but are they enough? What situations might you need a go-bag? Use this thread to discuss gear not mentioned, and the circumstances you may encounter that would require such a survival necessity.


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[kiltedninja]

I forgot something very important on my list...M&M's. They don't freeze or melt. A Good travel snack.

[Bob]

Energy bars and trail mix.

[kiltedninja]

Still, it's another option.

Duct tape and 550 cord are both also pretty important, tie and tape shit to other shit.

[Creeping Death]

My fists are all I need....
Just kidding, I also need Mountain Dew Amp. :)

[DarthJoe8]

NoDoz....:drinking:

[kiltedninja]

Give me a trench knife or machete, a NATO canteen(The ones with the metal pot/holder), and some 550 cord, and I reckon I could survive for a while, and I'd likely die of starvation or exposure rather than zombies, because I'd get the hell out of town if that's all I had.

[Creeping Death]

NoDoz....:drinking:

Whats that mean? :drool:

[DarthJoe8]

Whats that mean? :drool:

NoDoz is 200mg of caffeine in pill form. :) It says it equals 2 cups of coffee but if your doing the Dew for a boost then this is easier to carry NoDoz than a case a Dew during a ZPAW....Stay Awake is a generic version....I'm sure there are other products that do the same thing,,..

:drinking:

[kiltedninja]

NoDoz is a good idea, if you're needing the extra energy, but I'd prefer sleep.
If you can't afford stopping, then a bunch of 'em might help until you can get sleep. But I wouldn't do it alot.

[Bob]

Screw No Doze I am immune to caffeine what you need is Provigil it really works.

[DarthJoe8]

Screw No Doze I am immune to caffeine what you need is Provigil it really works.

:lol: I just looked up what that is and i bet it does work...you need a script for it....the no-doz is just for a bump when you "need" it....

[kiltedninja]

I'm a coffee guy, I enjoy waking up and making some good coffee.
That, or if I couldn't find coffee, tea.

Cuz I'm sure that other people would be like 'hey, let's go get caffeine pills!' and then you'd be SOL because they took all your pills.

I happen to have quite a bit of coffee at home, and in the event of Z-day, I'm throwin it in my ruck. Plus, when all the coffee runs out, you can make pine needle tea, not the best, but you take what you can in uncertain times.

[DarthJoe8]

I don't drink coffee at all...:puke:I'm a tea drinker myself but could you imagine when the coffee runs out and all those survivors start having caffeine withdrawal......:doh:

:lol:

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, caffeine doesn't do anything for me. I only drink coffee to get the taste of morning mouth off my tongue. I'm not exactly a morning person, but I do sleep light enough to wake up at any time.

[Darkness]

"Then don't forget to pack your favorite morning beverage. Now can we please get back to the topic?" ;-) :lol:

[kiltedninja]

I'd also want to pack garbage bags, they're a lot more than just a plastic sack for carrying garbage. Useful stuff right there.

[Bob]

Yes it does.
Since it's not a narcotic it is not that hard to get a doc to write you a scrip.
It just kind of turns off the desire for sleep and makes you marginally more alert.

[Leeboy]

I also prefer the M1 carbine, but just a simple M1 carbine, no weird attachments or anything.

[Darkness]

I also prefer the M1 carbine, but just a simple M1 carbine, no weird attachments or anything.

"Ummm, dear? This is the 'Gear' thread, not the 'Guns' thread. Please stay on topic." ;-)

[hotlead]

My fighting load consists of-

M1A, 7 20rd USGI mags and two bandoleers( 260rds total ), bayonet
1911A1, 7 7rd USGI mags( 49rds total )
KaBar
maint. kit for rifle and pistol
2 1qt canteens w/ cups
poncho
first aid kit w/ battle dressings and triangle bandages
survival essentials in two ziplock bags( matches, space blanket, hooks/line, etc.)
50' 550 cord
lensatic compass w/ tritium dials
1pr socks, wool blend in ziplock bags
2 field stripped MREs
small bottle of anti-fungal powder( good for lots of places:roll: )
insect repellant
two bottles water purification tablets
mini mag light ( AA batt. )
am/fm radio w/ earpiece ( AA )
GMRS walki-talki ( AA )
USGI M-1956 web gear to hump it all

How 'bout some pics all,

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[kiltedninja]

When ZPAW rolls around, I'm finding you mate, We've only got the two magazines for our M1A.

Medical tape, my left hand is swathed up in it right now.

[hotlead]

I have 7 in an LBV for my SAI Scout/Squad, 10 sealed in a .30cal ammo can, and a half dozen 10rd mags I use at the range.

Come on down, another triggerfinger is worth a few mags :drinking:

[kiltedninja]

And the bay area, it's not in Oregon, but it's a good hike.

Maybe I can take my bike?

A bike, complete with saddlebags and a repair kit would be a good piece of gear.

Gloves and sunglasses would also be pretty good on that note.

Also, for Hotlead, I've just got the basic setup, wooden furnishings and all.

[hotlead]

Don't forget your surf board, remember, that's all we do here :x

Don't get down about having a basic rifle.....sling, mags, ammo, and a well practiced nut behind the stock are the only accessories you need for an M1A.

Besides, those basic wooden furnishings worked just fine for the Marines 40+ years ago on the other side of the Pacific:evil:

[kiltedninja]

I'm not down about it, I like the wood, and I have a sling, but no scope or any toys like that.

[hotlead]

We've all talked about which weapons we'd use, or would like to use, against the stenches on Z-day. The physical and mental fitness to deal with an uprising have been discussed at length, and the personal survival gear you'd have, as well.

But how are you gonna carry those weapons, the ammo and support items for them, and your personal equipment. What web gear and rucks are you gonna use on Z-day? and why ? show pics too.

[kiltedninja]

I've got an older North Face pack, the thing is about three feet tall. My gear is as follows.

Primary weapon: M1A or Lee Enfield mk.4

Secondary weapon: Springfield Armory GI model(1911)

Stuff inside my pack or on my bike:
100 rds for both weapons
About a gallon of water(per day)
food, mostly jerky, pastas, oatmeal, and protein bars(I have three dozen Clif bars right now)
Garbage bags
Sleeping bag rated to at least 0 degrees. My columbia bag rolls up to be a little smaller than a normal bedroll.
Two Maglites, the smallest versions
Extra pair of Dickies, which are good pants for bad weather
Two extra shirts
Three extra pairs of socks
Extra sweater
Gloves
Sunglasses
Two Bandanas

Extra parts and cleaning kit for my weapons and bicycle.
Batteries out the arse, AA for my flashlight and bike light,
Three or so pairs of extra bootlaces.
Danner GTX hiking boots
Tent w/ rainfly
Knife and machete CRKT First Strike and Cold Steel Latin style machete.

All of this fits into a backpack that's about half of my entire height, and a bit less than my overall weight when full. The M1A and Enfield take the same round. I'd prefer my Enfield, it's more comfortable to shoot for me. But the
M1A has the advantage of a larger magazine capacity and being semi-automatic.
I choose Dickies as my hiking pants because they're cheap, tough, and weather resistent. Danner boots are damn near indestructible.
The tent and likely my ammunition would go on my bike's carry basket and in the saddlebags that I'll be getting, while the hiking pack and my rifle will be on my back. My 1911 will be in it's holster on my side.

The machete would be attached to my pack, while the knife sits on my side.

[Noc]

Hmm i'm not really prepared at all, i live in AUS so no guns..so im stuck with a rusted machete a camel pack and a plastic bag full of baked beans..:cry:

[hotlead]

Well, you gotta start somewhere. Besides, you're probably already better prepared than most of your neighbors, my neighbors too.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, most people would panic. You've at least got a basic plan.

I really don't think that mine is too much different, some food, a machete and knife if I can't make it across town to my guns, and my bike.

I can really only get my rifle under ideal conditions, since I'd be crossing the busiest parts of this town and the next town. I'd probably just steal one from the GI Joes across the street, they have some Enfield's.

[homelitexl]

well homelite and his girlfriend are going to get on top of home depot and asnipe off the zeds while liveing off of jerky and whatever animal comes our way.

[kiltedninja]

I thought you were gonna have beer too?

[homelitexl]

yeah how could i foget the beer

[Bob]

Budweiser, it takes the place of Water, Orange Juice, Milk, Iced Tea, well you get the idea...

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'll probably be sitting in a warehouse supplying a bunch of friends with weapons and gear... then sitting down to watch them play Dungeons and Dragons to "wait it out." Hell, never mind, I'll join in as long as I have my smoke with me.

I did a supplies check not too long ago just to see how many people I could supply since I seem to be the only person prepared for anything around my parts.

Weapons (*- Means I'm sure as hell carrying this!)
1 30-30 Lever Action Rifle *
1 410 ga/ .22 lr Combo
1 .22 lr Revolver
1 .45 Revolver*
1 Cold Steel Magnum Kukri *
1 Ghurka Kukri
2 Misc. Machetes
4 Buck Knives*
1 Throwing Knife
1 Katana
1 Wakizashi
2 Baseball Bats
1 Crowbar

Misc.
4 Bandannas*
3 Multi-Tools*
2 Whetstones*
1 Carbide Sharpener*
1 Wool Coat* (its warmer and thicker than the leather)
1 Leather Jacket
2 Shirts*
2 Pants*
1 Pair of boots*
2 Pairs of thermal socks*
1 Lucky Hat*

My parents bought me a crap ton of canned food and water post 9-11 so I can feed a small group for a month maybe. So far I have plenty of ammo, I hope. But the only thing I have to carry this stuff in are regular back packs. I need to make a trip down to the army surplus store and grab a pack.

[kiltedninja]

Rules of a gunfight says bring four times as much ammo as you think you could ever possibly need.

I'm going with my rain/snow coat, it's got fleece in it already, I've stayed warm in that when it's 6 degrees F out, plus wind. Now if I throw a sweater on under it, I'm set.

REI has a great selection of cold weather coats, check those out if you're looking for a good cold weather coat.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Oh my wool coat is wonderful to have. Its a pretty sportscoat deal, but I have been out in the worst weather imaginable in that thing and it does the job well. But I guess it helps that I'm cold-blooded. It takes some pretty bad weather for me to get chilly. When winter comes along again, I'm going to need to pick up a pair of those thermal underpants at Dick's Sporting goods. I lost them last time I wen't snowboarding in Michigan, if you know what I mean. ;-) Really, I lost them at whatsherface's place. :doh:

[kiltedninja]

I lost my favorite pair of jeans like that.

I'm taking my Columbia sportswear coat, because it's warm, waterproof, and has like ten pockets.

[homelitexl]

i lost a vietnam infantrry jacket like that.

[kiltedninja]

Speaking of Jackets. I want to bring something into light.

We've talked all about our knives, machetes and guns, but what about coats, boots/shoes, stuff like that.
The protective clothing section is gone.
So what kind of boots, shoes, coats and clothes do you think would be the best?

I'd go for some Danner GTX boots, those things are supposed to have a lifetime warranty on them.
I'm probably looking at either my Columbia Sportswear jacket, or my Carhartt, since Canvas can be waterproofed. So any suggestions? Let's hear 'em.

[Darkness]

Speaking of Jackets. I want to bring something into light.

We've talked all about our knives, machetes and guns, but what about coats, boots/shoes, stuff like that.
The protective clothing section is gone.
So what kind of boots, shoes, coats and clothes do you think would be the best?

I'd go for some Danner GTX boots, those things are supposed to have a lifetime warranty on them.
I'm probably looking at either my Columbia Sportswear jacket, or my Carhartt, since Canvas can be waterproofed. So any suggestions? Let's hear 'em.

"That's over here, dear!" :)
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15836 :greet:

[Tomeh]

If I could ever find one a
ninja outfit with padding
a samurai sword
two pistols
back pack containing:
ammo
beef jerkey
walnuts
water "packs" taped/glued to the inside of the backpack with a straw for drinking
some water bottles
mini flashlight
watch
gameboy

[kiltedninja]

If I could ever find one a
ninja outfit with padding
a samurai sword
two pistols
back pack containing:
ammo
beef jerkey
walnuts
water "packs" taped/glued to the inside of the backpack with a straw for drinking
some water bottles
mini flashlight
watch
gameboy

Go with a gray Dickie's coverall, I can send you a link to a site that sells ninja tabi.
Swords are going to be expensive, especially a well made one, go with Paul Chen or Cold Steel if you're looking for an American made katana.
For firearms, I'd recommend a pistol and a carbine if you're into CQC.

[J Dub]

you young guys would be best to learn how/where to get firearms. seriously, i realize you are youngsters, but bringing blades to the table as anything other than last ditch, is a bad idea. especially when dealing with hordes of undead and the likes.. jmo.

splatter can get you dead just as fast as a bite :evil:

[homelitexl]

but shrapnel and bombs are good rite:evil:

[bandits1]

you young guys would be best to learn how/where to get firearms. seriously, i realize you are youngsters, but bringing blades to the table as anything other than last ditch, is a bad idea. especially when dealing with hordes of undead and the likes.. jmo.

splatter can get you dead just as fast as a bite :evil:
Yup - anybody who replaces "rifle" with "katana" on their checklist is obviously watching waaaaay too many movies.

[kiltedninja]

I know where to get rifles, In fact I have two of them at my dad's house, and if God wills it, I'll have them on Z-day. I'd carry a machete or hatchet, but more as a tool than a weapon, something that could be used as a weapon, but a tool mostly.

A rifle may be able to be replaced with a bow, I've yet to see the skull piercing capability of a bow, but it's a possibility I'm willing to entertain for now.

[NotoriousDIT]

Thing is, firearms can be inefficient. Not everyone can learn to use them. They jam. They make a lot of noise. Some are just a bit much to lug around, and ammunition is a bitch. Blades are inefficient because some can be frail and could be difficult for someone without years of training to pull out of a skull.

I'll take a good baseball bat or lead pipe any day.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Thing is, firearms can be inefficient. Not everyone can learn to use them. They jam. They make a lot of noise. Some are just a bit much to lug around, and ammunition is a bitch. Blades are inefficient because some can be frail and could be difficult for someone without years of training to pull out of a skull.

I'll take a good baseball bat or lead pipe any day.

Everyone can learn anything. It just takes the time and effort and most importantly the interest. If someone doesn't want to learn how to use a firearm, they won't.

[Bob]

Not everyone can be a marksman but anyone can shoot a rifle.
At the ranges best for the bobbing head of a zed it is going to be attitude rather than aptitude.

It is much harder to learn to shoot a pistol well than a rifle.
I has to do with sight radius and stability.

Attitude is going to be key.
One is going to need to suck it up and accept things as they are.
If you fear the Zed you will be dead.
If you don't fear the Zed you will be dead.
One must exercise caution with out being paralyzed by fear or performing rash acts.

[Darkness]

"Come on. You guys have TONS of threads on guns and weapons. This one is on gear."

[NotoriousDIT]

yeah, gun talk is the most boring thing on this forum.


gear:

-boots
-swiss army knife
-hammock
-12 ramen soups
-walkie talkie (my family knows what's going down)
-books (mostly just a survival guide and a book on knots)
-rope, plenty of it (insert Clash reference here)
-bat
-bike
-canteen
-one change of clothes, including socks, boxers, pants, shirt, and a hoodie
-bike
-lighters

this is all real lightweight and I can fit it all into one bag (save the bike). everything else I can just scavenge.

[Bob]

Well my last post was intended to be more about attitude that guns but they always sneak into my posts.

Oh and Notorious, I could care less what you think.

[NotoriousDIT]

saying that you could care less implies that you do care, so thanks much for taking my opinions into consideration.

[kiltedninja]

I recently had a change of gear, due to circumstances, certain pieces of my gear are no longer in my possession. So I've got to change it up a little.

Backpack and messenger bag
Colt 1911(No rifle, my dad put them into storage)
100 rounds
Swiss army knife
combat knife
North Face rain shell, fleece liner
Jerky, M&M's, Sunflower seeds, red vines, and coffee
4 liters of water(2L in camelbak, 2L in Nalgene bottles)
Sleeping bag
Tarp
150 ft of rope
extra pair of pants, socks, boxers, extra t-shirt, and sweater
hatchet or machete
matches-50 books(I have a box w/ 50 books)
black trash bags

The rope is wrapped around my chest, over one shoulder, the sleeping bag is strapped under the backpack, the ammo and munchies are in the messenger bag, along with one of my water bottles, the rest is in my backpack, other than weapons and anything I wear.

This is my refurbished gear list.

[Bob]

NotoriousDIT
Well excuse me for not being clear enough.
Your opinion is worthless.

Out of curiosity why did you out yourself to all of us?
Are you expecting some sort of special treatment?


I am obviously spending to much time here.
I am posting out of abject boredom.
I think I need a vacation or bottle of Wild Turkey or both.

Gear?
The thing I wish I had is an off road vehicle.
I should have more rope.

[NotoriousDIT]

wut. did I do something? is it because I said gun talk is boring?

[Bob]

Duh

Guns are the key to survival in the ZPAW.
They are the primary piece of gear.


I am not going to talk guns in this thread anymore.
I will try to keep it limited to things that don't go bang.

[mattifikation]

Your brain is the primary piece of gear, followed shortly thereafter by your body's physical ability to do its bidding. :-)

[CAVU45]

I've noticed that post after post mentions canteens or water bottles. Why not trade those in for a good Camelback or similar hydration system? They're even incorporated into three day packs now.

[kiltedninja]

I've got both. On my list I've got a 2L camelbak and then 2 liter sized water bottles.

[Noc]

Thats one thing i do have :drinking:
It's an Australian Army Issue one it holds 4litres

[hotlead]

I've noticed that post after post mentions canteens or water bottles. Why not trade those in for a good Camelback or similar hydration system? They're even incorporated into three day packs now.

I've had a few Camelbacks and clones over the years since they first showed up at REI, I still have three, two being current GI MOLLE ones.

The good thing about those is that the tube is hanging over your shoulder, no need to stop and hydrate, and if you sqeeze all the air out when you fill 'em they don't slosh when you move.

I have ruined a couple of them though, I've popped bladders and torn the hose or pulled off the bite valve and had all my water run out. Sometimes they're difficult to fill from a still water source like a lake or pond, rivers and creeks fill them up just fine.

I've never killed any of my old school GI water bowls( canteen ), and the steel ones can be thawed out or boiled in on a stove, IMO water tastes better in the old stainless ones too.

Camelbacks are cool for camping and hiking and stuff, and I use them for that, but I always back 'em up with a canteen or two with cups.

Do they make nesting cups for camelbacks?...........

[CAVU45]

Far too many of the canteens now are aluminum or *blech* plastic. A steel canteen is about as useful as the old steel pot and worth hanging on to.

[TeeK]

Camelbacks could be useful if your on the run, not having to stop to get hydrated, and the bigger ones can hold a lot. But i'd think you'd also want a good old fashioned steel canteen, it has too many uses not to keep with you.

As for weapons, a standard M1014 shotgun with plenty of shells, with steel reinforcements for bashing if you get in a tight spot. Also a standard sized and well weighted katana, for when you run out of shells.

Kevlar gloves, so you don't have to worry about your hands getting bitten, but kevlar also heats up fast, so while on the run i wouldn't be wearing a full body suit.

[Bob]

This is a gear thread and I said I would stop talking boomsticks here but I must ask...

Teek
Why do you choose a shotgun?
Not being sarcastic just wondering.

Also
Why a Katana?
Of all the swords ever designed why a Katana?


To keep on subject
When choosing your gear don't cheap out on rope.

[TeeK]

Ok. so. why i chose a shotgun. personally, when you think about how a shotgun works, while massively injuring your target at close range, it also can knock the target down, and if it isnt already finished, that gives you the chance to finish it. it can also hit multiple targets, for a smaller effect, but still powerful. also just to be clear the M1014 is a semi auto shotgun, not pump action, which makes it more versatile.

Now, why i chose a katana? because of the length to weight ratio for one thing, its light enough to fight with in a long fight, but still has enough mass to effectively cleave. also the blade design allows a clean cut and makes it hard for the blade to get stuck.

I know the shotgun is the classic zombie killing weapon, but hey, it is for a reason :drinking:

Oh, also, your right, dont forget the rope :D

[mattifikation]

When you fire a shotgun, does it knock you down as the shooter?

No. I mean... it kicks and you feel it, but you don't normally get knocked down? So why do you think it would knock somebody else down?

Laws of physics, friend. For ever action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, the energy pushing on your shoulder is the same amount of energy pushing on the target. The only reason the target gets hurt is because the energy is focused into points.

People who fall over from shotgun blasts only do so because they died.

[CAVU45]

Camelbacks could be useful if your on the run, not having to stop to get hydrated, and the bigger ones can hold a lot. But i'd think you'd also want a good old fashioned steel canteen, it has too many uses not to keep with you.

As for weapons, a standard M1014 shotgun with plenty of shells, with steel reinforcements for bashing if you get in a tight spot. Also a standard sized and well weighted katana, for when you run out of shells.

Kevlar gloves, so you don't have to worry about your hands getting bitten, but kevlar also heats up fast, so while on the run i wouldn't be wearing a full body suit.

I agree. If you have a steel canteen, hold on to it. They are very useful.
kevlar gloves? Kevlar isn't puncture proof. A tooth could go through them.

[hotlead]

The likelyhood of hitting two or more targets and doing any appreciable damage, in this case destroying the brains of two or more zombies, with a shottie is pretty low.

Standard 2 3/4" OO buck rounds have 9 .32cal pellets, not very good odds, especially thinking of how far away you'd have to be to get the shot pattern spread out enough from the 20" IC barrel on the M1014. Also, the M1014 being a semi-auto makes it less versatile IMO, why do you think our boys hold on to the Mossies and Remmies ?

Yep, at least 50' of 550 cord in the pack.

[TeeK]

When you fire a shotgun, does it knock you down as the shooter?

No. I mean... it kicks and you feel it, but you don't normally get knocked down? So why do you think it would knock somebody else down?

Laws of physics, friend. For ever action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. In other words, the energy pushing on your shoulder is the same amount of energy pushing on the target. The only reason the target gets hurt is because the energy is focused into points.

People who fall over from shotgun blasts only do so because they died.

well, there are several factors, including, power, absorption, stance, where the target was hit, etc. for instance, if you were crouched in a fighting stance, and you fire the shotgun at their legs, they could easily be knocked off their feet, while you could absorb the impact because of your stance, and how you were holding the shotgun. another example: if you had your back to the wall, and you shot a target in the head with a shotgun at 1-3 foot range, again, they could be knocked over, while you were left standing.

[TeeK]

The likelyhood of hitting two or more targets and doing any appreciable damage, in this case destroying the brains of two or more zombies, with a shottie is pretty low.

Standard 2 3/4" OO buck rounds have 9 .32cal pellets, not very good odds, especially thinking of how far away you'd have to be to get the shot pattern spread out enough from the 20" IC barrel on the M1014. Also, the M1014 being a semi-auto makes it less versatile IMO, why do you think our boys hold on to the Mossies and Remmies ?

Yep, at least 50' of 550 cord in the pack.

you could easily hit 2 targets with a shotgun, but would you kill them? no. probably not. would you injure them? yes. how much depends on where and how the targets were shot.

personally, i think semiauto gives more versatility then pump, but i guess thats just my opinion, not fact.

[TeeK]

I agree. If you have a steel canteen, hold on to it. They are very useful.
kevlar gloves? Kevlar isn't puncture proof. A tooth could go through them.

no, its not puncture proof. but its more resistant then just skin is.

[CAVU45]

no, its not puncture proof. but its more resistant then just skin is.

No argument there. A good set of leather gloves would be preferable to kevlar though.

[kiltedninja]

For gloves, I have skin, it's deer skin, black deer skin, those are something I've held on to for a while, and they are gonna stick around for a while.

If you're not a master of the katana, don't even F--kin thing about using it in combat. Invest in a good Latin style machete, I'm looking at a Cold Steel one, they're long, fairly thick, resilient, light, and they won't crap out on you because you're not a master.

A katana is a [B]WARRIORS SWORD[B] are you a warrior fit to wield such a weapon? Chances are, you're probably not. If you are, then go for it.

A shotgun? Come on man, you can do better than that. A .30 cal carbine, a .30-30 would be favorable to a shotgun IMO. Learn the idea of one shot one kill.

Go with steel, I have some Lexan Nalgene bottles, Lexan is the hardest plastic I've ever seen, I hit one of my waterbottles with a hatchet, baseball bat, hammer, dropped it from sixty feet, and it was fine. If you can't get steel, go with a NALGENE bottle, they're like ten bucks a pop here in OR, but they're worth every cent.

Don't cheap out on any of your survival gear, go with good gear, the best if you can. But don't assume that expensive is better either, for pants, I usually wear Dickies Cargo pants, they're largely polyester, roomy, and durable, and at Wallyworld, a pair of Dickies will run you $20.

So yeah, look for durable and reliable over fancy when it comes to your gear, and no katanas if you're not a master of that sword, it'll last you two, maybe three fights. Try and cut a tatami mat with one, and then do it a hundred times, and you can say you've got a basic grasp of a katana and how it cuts.

I've cut 121 mats, it's hard, and I still don't want to use my katana into combat with Zack.

[hotlead]

Teek, I think your physics of scattergun ballistics is a little off.

People don't fall over from getting shot by a shotgun, they fall over from the effects of the wound caused by the projectiles, they die or the body goes into shock. Put a 60lb bag of concrete on a milk crate and shoot it with what ever shotshell you want, the concrete will absorb all the energy of the impact, and wont fly off the milk crate even though it weighs 100lbs less than the typical person. The M1014 has trouble with the less powerful game and target loads as well as most less lethal rounds, the only thing that hiccups a pump is the nut behind the stock. Remember we're not trying to wound zombies with a big shot pattern, we're trying to blow their heads off.

Make sure you get nesting cups for your canteens and water bottles folks, they even have folding handle cups that fit Nalgene bottles.

[mattifikation]

well, there are several factors, including, power, absorption, stance, where the target was hit, etc. for instance, if you were crouched in a fighting stance, and you fire the shotgun at their legs, they could easily be knocked off their feet, while you could absorb the impact because of your stance, and how you were holding the shotgun. another example: if you had your back to the wall, and you shot a target in the head with a shotgun at 1-3 foot range, again, they could be knocked over, while you were left standing.

That's actually pretty much all wrong. Your shooting stance doesn't change the amount of energy coming from the shotgun, and therefor it doesn't affect the shotgun's inability to knock people over. If you shoot a zombie in the leg, it might fall over because the leg won't structurally be able to support it anymore. That's about it.

If you're aiming for the head and hitting the legs, then you probably shouldn't be reaching for a gun. If you're aiming for the legs to disable it when you could be aiming for the head to kill it, you're wasting ammo.

You seem to be under the impression that shotguns can physically push zombies to the ground. It can't.

[Darkness]

"Can we please keep the gun talk in the gun threads? You have plenty of them already." ;-)

[mattifikation]

Somebody posted misinformation. I corrected it. Had I posted it in whichever gun thread was relevant, there would be no guarantee he'd actually go read it there. So I posted it here instead.

Anyways.

The other day I picked up a two-burner propane stove and a propane bottle at Wal-Mart, and the total cost came to just a little over 30 bucks. It's kind of a big thing to carry with you, but if you've got a group you could have somebody designated "cooking gear carrying guy." He could also be stuck with the pots and pans.

[TeeK]

"Can we please keep the gun talk in the gun threads? You have plenty of them already." ;-)

ahh sorry, i got off on a tangent. my last words on this: no it doesnt change the power, but with a shotgun blast to the head, all you have to do is push the top of the target back enough so that gravity can do the rest.

now, back on the subject of gear, you'd also probably want a very good pair of shoes. and probably a pair of hiking boots too.

[Bob]

I'm proud of you guys...

Yes you would want a well broken in pair of hiking boots.
Blisters could be fatal.

[mattifikation]

Well, screw that. I think Z-Day will be the perfect opportunity to make the transition to pantyhose and high-heels.

[TeeK]

Haha that it could be. it'll also be the best day in the world when yer pissed! :drinking:

But i'd personally want more practical gear, hiking boots instead of heels

[kiltedninja]

I just bought a pair of Timberland's, since I wore my Hi-Tec's out, I want to get a pair of Danner hiking boots once my feet stop growing, because if I find the right pair, then I'll have a lifetime warranty on my boots.

Boots are a very important thing, go for light, sturdy, and good traction.
Hi-Tec, Timberland, Danner, and Merrell are the companies that I personally know to make good boots. Don't go for Dr. Martens for walking long distance in, the soles are too soft.

[Bob]

I am to big for high heels I would sink into concrete...

[kiltedninja]

I'd break my ankles dude. For the ladies on this site, serious props for wearing high heels, those are the most difficult shoes to walk in EVER!

I love boots man, I don't like wearing tennis shoes, I have some trail runners, but that's the closest I'll get to regular shoes.

[Bob]

If you are looking for 100% bite proof gloves.
They make special gloves for police to protect them from crap like needles or razor blades in a suspects pocket.

[kiltedninja]

Those things are awesome. I've worn some before, they have a different feeling than regular gloves IMO.

[TeeK]

Me too, i love my Patagonia boots, their extremely comfortable and sturdy once their worn in. oh, and high heels are TERRIFYING to walk in :scare:

[Darkness]

"Don't feel too bad. I'm all female, and I'd rather go barefoot, than get stuck in high heels!" :lol:

[kiltedninja]

Me too, i love my Patagonia boots, their extremely comfortable and sturdy once their worn in. oh, and high heels are TERRIFYING to walk in :scare:

I know, I've tried.

I forgot patagonia on my list! How could I?

[TeeK]

Haha yeah. Patagonia's are expensive, but well worth it. mine have lasted forever.

[kiltedninja]

I'll have to look into that when I wear my Timberland's out.

So now that we've covered boots, and that no one should wear high heels(or at least keep boots handy), what about coats? You gotta keep dry, warm, and bitemark-less, so what are y'all gonna wear?

I'm probably gonna wear my Carhartt Jacket, it's warm, it allows better range of movement than my leather, it's canvas, and has like 5 pockets.

[thanos0341]

Some of you guys crack me up with your long list of clothes that you'd stuff into your survival packs. Sounds like you'd need a seabag for all the stuff some of you say you would take.

This Jarhead would need nothing but a field jacket, 2 pairs of USMC digi cams, tops/bottoms w/boonie cover, 5 pairs of OD green/Black socks 5 sets of undies, 1 set of "body armor" long sleeve shirt for winter & 1 set "short" sleeve for summer. Blade/needle proof Tactical police gloves.
Waterproof Danners/steel toe. shrapnel proof goggles

Rations would consist of 6 field stripped MREs, FYI, shit paper comes with MREs, also MREs constipate you so bad, you'll be lucky to take a dump once a week.My H2O would come primarily from my 100 oz Camelbak. 1 extra canteen. 1st aid kit with new blood clotting kit. wind/fire proof matches, box of different colored chem lights, 50'' 550 cord, compass, binocs, waterproof poncho & 1 inch bed roll/mattress. My USMC Ka-bar, Leatherman. Maglight, small radio w/ear plug. Batteries for Mag/radio. Map of the area/terrain I'd be going into.

Last but not least, I'd get around via a mountain bike cuz gas won't be easy to get, Trucks/SUVs/cars are noisy & will eventually break down plus hwys/roads will be cluttered with destroyed/abandoned vehicles. A bike is muscle powered, lightweight, stealthy & all you need is a bike repair kit & small tools for any problems your bike may sustain.

I'd stay far away from cities/densely popullated areas, travel only from sunrise to just before sundown & do my best to secure a safe place at night for shelter & a few hrs of Zs.

[mattifikation]

That still seems like a lot of stuff.

1. Multitool
2. Fighting knife
3. Duct Tape
4. Binoculars
5. Compass/Maps
6. Shake powered radio/walkie-talkie/flashlight
7. Matches, Firestarter sticks, knife sharpener & a mini-maglight (all stored in a waterproof box)
8. Basic first aid kit
9. Emergency blanket and poncho
10. A few hothands packets
11. Two boxes of protein bars & a small bag of fun size candybars
12. Change of warm clothes & a thick jacket
13. Change of cool clothes & a hoodie
14. Soft blanket & towel
15. Some precious toilet paper
16. Bug spray
17. Water filter bottle & purifier drops

I want to get a small tent also, but I'm not convinced that its usefulness would justify the weight.

[hotlead]

I wouldn't worry too much about a tent, unless you have real wet snows in the winter, even then you could dig a snow cave or trench.

Most folks don't realize that a tent is a liability and safety hazard, you can't see out of it, distant or quiet sounds are muffled or can't be heard, it allows you to get comfortable and sleep too deep, there's no escape if something does get up on you, and you can carry more food, water, or ammo in place of it.

A poncho will serve many more uses than a tent will, and makes a safer shelter when you need to be aware of what's going on around you, you can also sleep in Goretex outers and fleece inners.

If you're a deep sleeper( like me :doh:), sleep sitting up under your poncho if it's raining and lean against a tree or your ruck so you stay sleeping light.

Drink a lot of water before you go to sleep, for one you'll hydrate better, and you'll have to pee and won't sleep too late.

Just a few of my experiences and opinions regarding tents.

[mattifikation]

Where I live, the winters get cold, wet, icy, windy, snowy, and every other extreme in between. It's like having Storm from the X-Men kick your ass for 4 months straight.

Outdoors in the winter just isn't an option. But you're right about tents - they have as many drawbacks as they do benefits.

[CAVU45]

Same here. The winters can be pretty harsh. Staying out of doors is not an option. So it's either move to warmer climes or bunker up. Both options are fraught with their own unique perils.

[Bob]

Winters here could be done outdoors but you would really want a cabin or a tent with a heater. I camped outdoors every month of the year for several years when my sons were in Scouting.

I don't know which would kill you faster, the heat or the cold.
You would toughen to the weather, I grew up without air conditioning but would not want to live without it now.

[J Dub]

i'm done with winters, minus 30 for days or minus 20 for weeks...(i wish i was)

i need some skills for kicking it in the desert :lol:

[FortDOOM]

I'm gonna go on the whole "survival pack" deal like Jester did.

L.L. Bean backpack (Plenty of room, and that thing has lasted FOREVER and is still holding up like it's new.)

Inside:

-First Aid kit
-Flashlight
-Batteries
-Identification (Driver's License/Whatever)
-Medicine (Tylenol, Advil, my allergy stuff.)
-A few bottles of water (At least 5.)
-Food (Granola Bars and such, nothing big, nothing that can ruin easily.)
-Multitool
-Bible
-Some sort of Map/GPS.
-Extra ammo for whatever firearm I might be carrying.

I think that these people posting like, 500 things that they'd bring would very soon realize that you would get VERY tired lugging around all these supplies and weapons. Honestly, all I think you need is a handgun, close combat weapon, and a longer distance firearm.

[slayer1222]

wasting space on the bible mate its only use is something to start a fire with

[Bob]

There was a scene in Jericho where refugees from the city passed near by.
There was a massive swath flattened across the landscape. It was littered with things dropped by the refugees.

In a situation like that every day there would be more dropped as the weight got to be to much for those carrying it. As the lack of food and health care started taking hold there would be even more dropped. There would be a huge number of laptops left in the wake. Within days simple things like can openers would be a premium item.

Gangs would be forming from day one.
These gangs would be the new rulers within days.
They would confiscate food and weapons from the weak.
They would mete out their form of justice with lead.
There would be gang wars with no thought to collateral damage.

[hotlead]

I suppose we're lucky with our climates here on the left side, there are only a few areas west of the rockies where you couldn't survive without a tent in the winter.

[kiltedninja]

Right now I could sleep outside, it's gettin to be a pretty warm climate over here. I would bring a tarp, not a full tent, because it would be much heavier, and could only be used for one thing, while a tarp is multiple things.

[thanos0341]

I'm gonna go on the whole "survival pack" deal like Jester did.

L.L. Bean backpack (Plenty of room, and that thing has lasted FOREVER and is still holding up like it's new.)

Inside:

-First Aid kit
-Flashlight
-Batteries
-Identification (Driver's License/Whatever)
-Medicine (Tylenol, Advil, my allergy stuff.)
-A few bottles of water (At least 5.)
-Food (Granola Bars and such, nothing big, nothing that can ruin easily.)
-Multitool
-Bible
-Some sort of Map/GPS.
-Extra ammo for whatever firearm I might be carrying.

I think that these people posting like, 500 things that they'd bring would very soon realize that you would get VERY tired lugging around all these supplies and weapons. Honestly, all I think you need is a handgun, close combat weapon, and a longer distance firearm.



As a former Marine with 8yrs of svc including 2 combat tours in Iraq & the Stan, we are trained to hump heavy "combat" loads for days & weeks on end.
3 months Prior to deploying to Afghanistan in Dec 03' our CO would take us every Thursday on 15 mile "conditioning" hikes in order to get us ready to carry 65lbs-80lbs on our backs for long stretches, and that's not even including what our kevlar/body armor, 2 canteens full of water, M16A4 , grenades & 8 20 rd mags of 5.56 weighed!

In our Mollie packs were 5 days change of undies/t-shirts, 1 set of cammies, 5 pairs of Green OD/Black socks, 5 field stripped MREs Poncho, Isomat tied to outside of pack & 100oz camelbak as well. Oh, and our butt pack/1st aid kit was attached to our LBV as well.

As part of a 4 man 81mm mortar squad in a weapons company, we also had to hump the mortar in it's disassembled state which was the mortar tube-35lbs, I humped that, the bipod-27lbs, baseplate-25lbs & the squad leader had the privelidge of carrying the site case-5lbs.

Just wanted to give you guys an idea of what Marine weapons company platoons have to hump in the war zone.

So if need be, I could hump alot of weight for my survival, but would prefer to keep it as light as possible.

Semper Fi

[Dave Of The Dead]

As a former Marine with 8yrs of svc including 2 combat tours in Iraq & the Stan, we are trained to hump heavy "combat" loads for days & weeks on end.
3 months Prior to deploying to Afghanistan in Dec 03' our CO would take us every Thursday on 15 mile "conditioning" hikes in order to get us ready to carry 65lbs-80lbs on our backs for long stretches, and that's not even including what our kevlar/body armor, 2 canteens full of water, M16A4 , grenades & 8 20 rd mags of 5.56 weighed!

In our Mollie packs were 5 days change of undies/t-shirts, 1 set of cammies, 5 pairs of Green OD/Black socks, 5 field stripped MREs Poncho, Isomat tied to outside of pack & 100oz camelbak as well. Oh, and our butt pack/1st aid kit was attached to our LBV as well.

As part of a 4 man 81mm mortar squad in a weapons company, we also had to hump the mortar in it's disassembled state which was the mortar tube-35lbs, I humped that, the bipod-27lbs, baseplate-25lbs & the squad leader had the privelidge of carrying the site case-5lbs.

Just wanted to give you guys an idea of what Marine weapons company platoons have to hump in the war zone.

So if need be, I could hump alot of weight for my survival, but would prefer to keep it as light as possible.

Semper Fi

Its good to compare what our troops carry compared to what we plan to. Barely any of us will be ready to carry all of our "survival" gear when it comes to ditch the car and hike. With the weapons and gear I have, I have a feeling that I'm going to have to get used to it fast or ditch quite a bit. Of course, most of my plan consists of holing up in a warehouse instead of trying to find "the promise land" of non-infected civilization.Only things I have to carry most of my stuff are a couple backpacks, a messenger bag, and some side pouches.

[kiltedninja]

I've never really had a car, so all my gear is going on my back and my bike. In the event that I have to ditch the bike, I'll ditch anything that isn't an absolute necessity(flashlights, tent, extra melee weapon) If I've got to abandon my bike, I may be screwed anyway.

My bike only weighs about 4 pounds, and between it's basket, and my back, I can carry a good 100lbs of crap. Switch into a lower gear, and make sure I have plenty of water, and set a slower pace, and I could go all day.
I've never done it with 100 pounds, but there's points in time when I'm carrying 40 on the bike, and I can still go my full speed, I can also hike all day with a 50 pound pack on, I've done that plenty of times.

[thanos0341]

IMO, you could have all the essential gear you could carry on your person & you will still eventually succumb to the zeds if you are lacking in the most important aspect: the physically fit dept.

Sorry to be harsh/rude, but face facts, over 60% of Americans are obese (25lbs over their ideal weight) & another 10% are morbidly obese (50lbs-100lbs + or more, over their ideal weight), not to mention if you are also a smoker/heavy drinker, druggie, & don't PT. how the heck are you gonna be able to hump 50-60-70lbs of survival gear & weapons when you can barely do 5 pushups or run 100yds w/o keeling over!

If a zombie outbreak were to ever really occur, the saying rings true, "only the strong & mentally/ physically fit will survive".

The elderly, the very young, the infirmed, mentally/physicaly handicaped & extremely obese would be zombie chow within the 1st 7 days.

Only way they would last longer than that is if they are barricaded from the start, but even then, what happens when they run out of provisions?

So before you can even think of what you will need to survive, you should hone your body to be as physicaly fit as you can be, not saying you have to look like a bodybuilder, just hgt/weight appropriate, strong enough to at least bench your body weight or above it, cuz if you can't, that means your too fat, too weak or both. Cardio is very important as you will be moving frequently & depending on the situation, very quickly. It wouldn't help me if you're part of my survival team & we're trying to move stealthly past a group of zombies & you start wheezing or coughing loudly cuz your already winded after 1 mile.

So to all my fellow zombie fighters, I say, if your in good physical shape, keep it up, to those of you that are not, start doing so & quit the unhealthy, nasty smoking/heavy drinking habits, lay off the high fat fast foods cuz you are what you eat, and start a PT plan of fast walking a few miles a day w/o your survival pack & once it gets easy, add your pack & try to fastwalk in the same amount of time or as close as possible to your packless time. Also do 1 mile runs a few times a week & when that gets easy, increase to 2-3 miles. A good pace for the mile would be around 8:30-9:00 min, any of you run faster than that, you're good to go.

Semper Fi

[Birdman44]

Within days simple things like can openers would be a premium item.


Like the P-38? :) I'm quite delighted I found it in the us cavalry magazine. Here's a link: http://uscav.com/search.aspx?Search=27960&TabID=548&os=1&CatID=5230

[mattifikation]

There's a can opener on my multi-tool. That thing is coming with me.

[CAVU45]

Like the P-38? :) I'm quite delighted I found it in the us cavalry magazine. Here's a link: http://uscav.com/search.aspx?Search=27960&TabID=548&os=1&CatID=5230

I still have a few old P3-8's from when you had to have on if you wanted to eat in the field.

[Necrolegion]

obviously for the average person, carrying anything like 100+ pounds on your back or anywhere else for that matter would be pretty rough for an extended period of time.
i know my kind of gear would be this or something similar to this, at least to this point in time:

-some bottled water
-some granola bars
-some jerky
-one change of light clothes wrapped in a plastic bag
-one hoodie
-one light jacket
-one compact rain jacket
-Two pairs of gloves
-one large tupperware fold-out bowl
-one pair of toenail clippers
-two pairs of scissors
-one hat
-one toque
-duct tape
-several bandannas
-tensor bandages
-superglue
-medical tape
-extra pair of shoes
-goggles/glasses
-ID
-Flashlight/swiss army knife
-Gerber knife
-binoculars
-a few AAA batteries
-compact mirrors
-floss
-a couple of hatchets
-a crowbar
-cell phone
-a compound bow with a quiver of arrows
-a revolver with a reflex sight
-gum
-notepad and pen/pencil
-elastics
-bobbypins
-tweezers

so far, carrying most of this in an average backpack is possible, and it wouldn't weigh more than a few textbooks. and the more pockets i have, the more evenly i can distribute the weight so as not to strain my back.

[kiltedninja]

Necro, I don't know what kind of style you're into, but you might want to look into a utilikilt, that's got pockets, big ones.

As far as body type goes, I'm actually fairly light for my size at 5'10" (about 180cm for those outside of USA), I weigh in at 135-140lbs(60-63kg), and have only about 5% body fat. I'm actually in very good shape, but I'm one of those 40% of Americans who are of ideal bodyweight.

[Necrolegion]

Haha, that's awesome! :clap:

i already have some pretty big pockets, but most of that kinda clothing i own isn't very practical in a zombie infested world. i was thinking more along the lines of some simple cargo pants, the hoodie and other pockets that might be in the jacket or such

and as far as body type goes, i'm not horrible, but if i'm going to be running from zombies everyday i need a little work lol

[Bob]

What is a toque?


I need to stock up on P38s I can't think where a single one is.
I actually like the P51 better.

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml#p51

[J Dub]

Necro, I don't know what kind of style you're into, but you might want to look into a utilikilt, that's got pockets, big ones.

As far as body type goes, I'm actually fairly light for my size at 5'10" (about 180cm for those outside of USA), I weigh in at 135-140lbs(60-63kg), and have only about 5% body fat. I'm actually in very good shape, but I'm one of those 40% of Americans who are of ideal bodyweight.

5'10" 135-140lbs you are female yes?

eta. or a very young man.

[kiltedninja]

I'm a male, I'm only 16, but I'm light even among my class.

[J Dub]

I'm a male, I'm only 16, but I'm light even among my class.

you will fill out, you're still growing dude. i was the same (long and lanky) til my mid 20's....ahh the good ol'days, when you could eat 10 times a day and not gain a ounce :)

[Necrolegion]

What is a toque?

My bad bob, the word Toque is just another way to say Beanie. I live a little further north, and it is a commonly used term here

[doctorsatan]

primary: ACW articwar .308 12-16x day/night
2ndprimary: m45xd 8x scope intergrated suppresor.

secondary: tactical m9 with stacked mag (12) tac-light

leg harness for m45 ammo 4 pouches (each holds 2)
hip harness for m9/m9 ammo
3 day survival pack/hydration bladder
usaul clothes i wear on ops (loose fit jeans, tie dye tshirt, bdu tan blouse, dessert combat boots, fingerless shooting gloves.)
chest harness with shooting mods intergrated insualtion/plate
3 frags, 2 smoke
shegmah
spotter equipment ]

lucky tie dye bandana
and plenty of mike & ikes......OHHH and a flask with ishgevay or whiskey.

[Groth]

Primary: M16 with lazer sight, or AA12 Shotgun
Secondary: 2 nickle plated deagles
Other:
Ammo
Multi-tool
My survival knife, model from Rambo: First Blood :D
Med kit(s)
Extra clothes(if i can fit them in)
Matches/lighter
Flint and magnesium
Fishing kit
LED Flashlight
Walkie-Talkies
Cell phone/charger if still opperational
Laser pointer
Toilet paper
Vest w/ sh!! tons of pockets
MRE's

[J Dub]

primary: ACW articwar .308 12-16x day/night
2ndprimary: m45xd 8x scope intergrated suppresor.

secondary: tactical m9 with stacked mag (12) tac-light

leg harness for m45 ammo 4 pouches (each holds 2)
hip harness for m9/m9 ammo
3 day survival pack/hydration bladder
usaul clothes i wear on ops (loose fit jeans, tie dye tshirt, bdu tan blouse, dessert combat boots, fingerless shooting gloves.)
chest harness with shooting mods intergrated insualtion/plate
3 frags, 2 smoke
shegmah
spotter equipment ]

lucky tie dye bandana
and plenty of mike & ikes......OHHH and a flask with ishgevay or whiskey.

are you sure?
is this your final answer?
:lol:
just so ya know, your primary weapon system is laughable (unless you plan on engaging the majority of your targets at ranges over 200 yards). which in a urban scenario ain't very likely.

your signature sux too :lol:

[CAVU45]

are you sure?
is this your final answer?
:lol:
just so ya know, your primary weapon system is laughable (unless you plan on engaging the majority of your targets at ranges over 200 yards). which in a urban scenario ain't very likely.

your signature sux too :lol:

Dude! At first I thought your reply was harsh. But after reading his post closely I have to agree with you. "Usual clothes for I wear on ops"??? What ops? Paintball doesn't count. The weapons are outrageous...

The sig is funny.
"one shot one kill a mantra invented by a man who never shot a rifle, my mantra: shoot till they stop twitching its worked so far.....(qouted from myself)" This was invented by someone who's never shot a weapon in combat. I mean seriously, the sniper motto was invented by snipers who'd never fired a shot?

[mattifikation]

Doctor Satan claims to be a sniper stationed in the U.S. Embassy of a country that has no U.S. Embassy in it. The ops he was talking about are probably the fictional black ops he probably pretends he's been on.

[J Dub]

Doctor Satan claims to be a sniper stationed in the U.S. Embassy of a country that has no U.S. Embassy in it. The ops he was talking about are probably the fictional black ops he probably pretends he's been on.

could be one of those freaky blackwater dudes :evil:

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj123/jonwaite/funnies/3345awl.gif

[J Dub]

Dude! At first I thought your reply was harsh.

:lol: you know me...mr subtle :lol:

[Darkness]

"Enough picking on the new guy. Now back to the topic of this thread, please." :naughty:

[CAVU45]

Sorry Darkness, but this guy has all the appearances of a fraud.

[Darkness]

"Then discuss it with him in PM. It doesn't belong in the chat threads."

[hotlead]

primary: ACW articwar .308 12-16x day/night
2ndprimary: m45xd 8x scope intergrated suppresor.

secondary: tactical m9 with stacked mag (12) tac-light

leg harness for m45 ammo 4 pouches (each holds 2)
hip harness for m9/m9 ammo
3 day survival pack/hydration bladder
usaul clothes i wear on ops (loose fit jeans, tie dye tshirt, bdu tan blouse, dessert combat boots, fingerless shooting gloves.)
chest harness with shooting mods intergrated insualtion/plate
3 frags, 2 smoke
shegmah
spotter equipment ]

lucky tie dye bandana
and plenty of mike & ikes......OHHH and a flask with ishgevay or whiskey.

:)
Why don't you use the single stack M9 mags, instead of down loading them three rounds ? You could carry a lot more ammo at the ready.

[kiltedninja]

Where in the hell are you gonna get frag grenades?

my clothes would be my Dr. Martens, jeans, a few t-shirts and my black utilikilt, my shooting gloves, and my wool sweater and whatever jacket I feel like wearing.

[Necrolegion]

dude, if your going to have a jacket in your gear, it has to look badass. nothing like surviving a ZA and looking cool too

[kiltedninja]

Oh yeah, it'll probably be my carhartt, which isn't my most badass jacket, but it's warm, fairly waterproof, and has lots of pockets.

That or my flight jacket with a big picture of a bulldog wearing a helmet that says 'Marine Bulldogs'. turn it inside out and it's bright orange.

[mattifikation]

I Google Imaged "Awesome Jacket" and got this as the first result:

http://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/imagecache/shirtview/DSC01191.JPG

Thus making it the best possible jacket you could come out of Z-Day wearing.

[kiltedninja]

Dude, that jacket rocks!

I'm still gonna go with my flight jacket.

[J Dub]

you guys are funny :lol:

my jacket would be season specific i reckon. could always use a beadazzler on it though :evil:

[slayer1222]

I Google Imaged "Awesome Jacket" and got this as the first result:

http://tshirtslayer.com/files-tshirt/imagecache/shirtview/DSC01191.JPG

Thus making it the best possible jacket you could come out of Z-Day wearing.

my brothers got one like that that fits me but its thicker leather

[kiltedninja]

Of course we're funny Jdub, we wouldn't be us if we weren't.

Like I said, my MA-1 flight jacket, or maybe my carhartt and a sweater of some sort would be my jackets of choice.

[gama169]

Reallistically, I'd have ready,

Primary: baseball bat
Secondary:Umbrella &/or golf clubs

Backpack,
easy fold blanket
Leatherman Tool
Nonperishables
knifes
hammers
Winter and summer cloths

[Dark Gale]

I don't own any guns myself, but my uncle does, and he lives netx door. So if i could get to his house, here is what i would have:

Primary: Remington 700
Secondary: Glock 18, Machete

Backpack:
Non Perishables
First Aid kit
Water
Ammo
Clothes

Pockets, On Me, etc:
Multitool
Jeans
Leather Jacket
Energy Bars
Small bit of ammo
Ammo

[kiltedninja]

Bah! Pants are overrated.

[hotlead]

Bah! Pants are overrated.

Not when walking through cattails or thistles......:scare:.....:oops:......:cry:

[kiltedninja]

There's an art to that one, it's been perfected by me when I was clearing the blackberry bushes from the yard next to me.

[hotlead]

Blackberries in a kilt!

I won't be trying that myself, I'll take your word for it.

[slayer1222]

Not when walking through cattails or thistles......:scare:.....:oops:......:cry:

its not theres a trick to that and i no it

[kiltedninja]

D'you wear a kilt Slayer?

But yeah, the trick inviolves good boots and how you step down on the bushes.

[slayer1222]

D'you wear a kilt Slayer?

But yeah, the trick inviolves good boots and how you step down on the bushes.

no i was wearing small shorts

[Engimal]

Primary: Pump Action AR-15, Double Barrel Mossberg 500

Secondary: Mateba Autorevolver, Steel Padded Racing Gloves(Chances of getting infected while in Fistfight reduced due to steel on knuckles), Machete, Baseball Bat (Gonna run out of ammo sometime eh?)

Other:

.Small Switchblade Knife
.Roll of Rope
.Supply of money (Vending machines, ect.)
.Bandaids, bandages, ect. (Basicly first aid supplies.)
.Map of residing area
.Swag
.Booze :)

[slayer1222]

.Supply of money (Vending machines, ect.)

it would just be easyer to break them open

[CAVU45]

Primary: Pump Action AR-15, Double Barrel Mossberg 500

This begs the question, why?

Secondary: Mateba Autorevolver

Again, why?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engimal
.Supply of money (Vending machines, ect.)

it would just be easyer to break them open

You beat me to it. :)

[homelitexl]

melee primary homelite pro chainsaw
melee back up two homelitexls
gun primary a mauser kar98 if i can find one
gun back up my 308.

supplies

duct tape-duh
bungee cords
some explosives
50 lbs of beef jerky
a 30 pack of coors
a gps thingy

[mattifikation]

I have never heard of a pump action AR-15 or a double barrel mossy 500. Some time on Google turned up a result for a DPMS pump action AR-15 which sounds pointlessly limiting. Can't find anything on a double barreled 500 though.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah I don't think double barrel 500's exist. Nice try though. It would be a better skill to know how to hack a vending machine's computer. Its usually easy depending on the model.

Main: 12ga Mossberg 500 Persuader (Aleksandra)
Sidearm: .45 1911
Melee: Cold Steel Magnum Kukri Machete
Secondary Melee: Nepalese 12" Kukri

Pack and Pouches:
50 ft. Rope
4 Liters of water
Ammo (12 ga 00 buckshot, .45 hollowpoint)
Bed Roll
Energy Bars
Smokes
First Aid Supplies

[mattifikation]

For water, I would prefer to have a bare minimum. Like about 9 of those emergency ration water boxes, enough for 3 a day for 3 days. I'd also pack a filter bottle and some purification tablets.

Then again, where I live it's almost difficult not to be near a natural water source of some kind.

[Bob]

Double Barrel 870
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8765/1740porch9739453.jpg

http://www.lesjones.com/2008/06/16/double-barrel-pump-shotgun-moe-szyslak-style/

[hotlead]

Double Barrel 870
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8765/1740porch9739453.jpg

http://www.lesjones.com/2008/06/16/double-barrel-pump-shotgun-moe-szyslak-style/

If I came home and Mrs. Hotlead had that on the coffee table, I'd never go to another gunshow or look at another woman again.

[Engimal]

Double Barrell Mossy doesn't exsist, but hey, one can dream :)...

Still going with the AR-15... If there is a world threatening zombie attack, I'm going to swinging my bat around and use guns last.

(Limited gun knowledge has prevented me from choosing a good gun :P)

[mattifikation]

Well, you almost chose a good gun. Lose the whole "pump action" thing and you're better off.

In fact, it sort of occurs to me that maybe somebody thought up every limiting feature a gun can possibly have and incorporated it into one weapon just to be a goofball.

[Engimal]

Lol they're 3 of the guns I know... And I know about 5 different guns.. (Besides shotgun, machine gun, handgun, which would make my choosing a whole lot easier...)

And I have a thing for pump action and revolvers.

[Dave Of The Dead]

And I have a thing for pump action and revolvers.

Amen. I don't like the idea of spending twice the time loading a detachable magazine than it does when loading an internal magazine or cylinder. Plus the limited capacity tends to give me more control, or at least the illusion of it.

[Engimal]

True......

[J Dub]

interesting thing about revolvers.

i got a 5inch 686 smitty 7 shot in .357mag. this gun shoots more accurately than i can shoot it and its a wheelgun so its fool proof....so i thought.

i love 1911's and am getting sweet on those glock21sf's. my 1911 has stove piped a couple of times from me limp wristing it (not the guns fault at all) but i cleared it in about 2 or 3 seconds and carried on.

i was out a couple of weeks ago with my 686 and had a complete failure. i fired off my rounds and went to open the cylinder to remove the spent cases and i couldn't get it to open for the life of me. so here i am with a wheelgun and i can't even open it, so much for fool proof :x
what seemed to happen (i'm keeping a good eye on it now) is the ejector rod had backed out a few turns, causing it to hang up on the release. i pressed firmly on the knurled end of the rod while cycling the action and it tightened back up and i opened the cylinder.
if that was to happen in a dire situation i would be toast, dry no butter. being aware of this occurrence i feel safer with my 1911.

so my gear gun would be my 686 and carry would by my 1911 (if i could carry) my .02:)

[CityOfChicago]

Well, if you carried an M4 with 7 30-round mags as your primary, and any hi-cap automatic as a secondary (say, Sig P226 in 9mm w/ 15-round mags, 5 mags total), you're looking at 285 rounds before reloading any mags. That's certainly faster than carrying a wheel gun and a pocket full with 279 bullets. Or a wheel gun and 46 speedloaders.

[CityOfChicago]

my 1911 has stove piped a couple of times from me limp wristing it (not the guns fault at all) but i cleared it in about 2 or 3 seconds and carried on.


What's your 1911? Make/model, that is. I know what a 1911 is...:doh:

[J Dub]

What's your 1911? Make/model, that is. I know what a 1911 is...:doh:
she's a norc. norinco 1911a1, i got it nib for 350.00 and it works amazingly well and is reliable.
like i mentioned, i'd carry the norc and pack the smitty (go figure, i could of bought 2 more norcs :lol:) but my socomII would be slung over my shoulder :evil:

[CityOfChicago]

Does it have the old GI-style grip safety or the beavertail?

[Darkness]

"Please take the detailed gun talk to a proper thread. This one is about all gear, not just guns. Thanks." ;-)

[CityOfChicago]

Apologies. J-Dub, if you want to carry on, I'll look for you in the "One Pistol or Small Sidearm" thread.

[steve2071]

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog1.jpg
72 hour BOB

Believe it or not, all of this fits in that tiny pack (sans the FAK, radio, and ropes.)
Right to left, left to right, right to left.
1. Backpack
2. Water
3. OSHA approved FAK (boo-boo kit, no trauma)
4. Emergency Radio
5. Utility Rope (non-climbing)
6. 550 cord
7. Sack of clothes and toiletries
8. Some food
9. Signal mirror
10. Flint and striker
11. Signal whistle
12. E-blanket
13. CR123 battery packs
14. Clip on LED light
15. P-38
16. Tweezers
17. Pocket razor
18. Pry bar
19. Eating utensil
20. Pocketknife
21. Flashlight
22. AA battery packs
23. Shears
24. Trauma bandage
25. 100mph
26. Binoculars

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog4.jpg
One for each member of the family. Identical contents.

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog2.jpg
I like it light and simple.

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog3.jpg
One stays in the vehicle, one goes with me.

[CityOfChicago]

Answer this with ony a 'yes' or a 'no' with a correction - so I don't get yelled at again.

Is that a Sig?