Gear

[kiltedninja]

dude you know how much 300 feet of climbing rope weighs? thats like 60-70 pounds. Id say around 20-40 feet max

When I used to rock climb my dad would have me carry the rope. We used a bundle that was about fifty yards long, and weighed in at like, 15 pounds. I looked it up, most nylon climbing rope weighs 6.2 pounds per 100'. That means that 300' would weigh around 18.5 pounds.

[Bob]

Some is a bit heavier but he's close.
http://www.greatoutdoorsdepot.com/maxim-kmiii-1half.html

Rope is one of those things that can be found just about anywhere right up to the point you need it.

[hotlead]

One time Mrs. Hotlead and I were on our way back to the Bay Area from Idaho, and we drove right into a kick ass sandstorm on the Idaho-Oregon border, it was our first one, pretty cool. I doubt those sandstorms ever get up to Portland, though.

[CAVU45]

I used mine (shemagh) in several different sand and dust storms and on a few convoys. Beyond that I didn't have much use for it.

[kiltedninja]

One time Mrs. Hotlead and I were on our way back to the Bay Area from Idaho, and we drove right into a kick ass sandstorm on the Idaho-Oregon border, it was our first one, pretty cool. I doubt those sandstorms ever get up to Portland, though.

In southern and central oregon, it's desert-like, but up here in the Willamette Valley, I basically wear mine to keep my neck warm, and when it snows, I wear it to keep my face warm as well.

My dad said that in early July, while he was in Kuwait on his way to Iraq that he'd wished he'd brought the one he got in Egypt in the 90's with him because they were having the biggest sand storm Kuwait had seen in quite a while in just a few days.

[Bob]

Did you know that most of them are made in China now?

[CAVU45]

Yep. True. Mine was made in Saudi Arabia.

[Noc]

A keffiyeh as a fashion statement? Pretty daggy fashion statement if you ask me.:lol:

[kiltedninja]

A keffiyeh as a fashion statement? Pretty daggy fashion statement if you ask me.:lol:

Yeah, but so is most of the shit people wear these days. I've never been one to really wear much to look fashionable.

Bob, mine was made in china, but before then, it was a local thing, middle eastern countries made them, and were forced to close down factories when the chinese started making and importing them.

[Bob]

Yup
It's all about money.
The Chinese compared to the rest of the world work for very low wages.
That is how they sell so cheap.
Their manufacturing techniques are no better and in many cases not as good but they have ultra-cheap labor.

[kiltedninja]

Most jeans are made in Mexico.

I don't wear jeans a lot, but I gotta say, that they know how to make some good jeans. I think that packing along a pair of good ol' Levi's would be useful, as an extra pair of pants, or whatever you want to do with it.

[Bob]

One should take at least one pair of pants two sizes two small with him in his BOB.
When the Zpaw comes and we can't get pretzels and beer we are going to drop weight like you would not believe.

[Noc]

Yeah, but so is most of the shit people wear these days. I've never been one to really wear much to look fashionable.

Bob, mine was made in china, but before then, it was a local thing, middle eastern countries made them, and were forced to close down factories when the chinese started making and importing them.

If you wear it for it's intended purpose, I don't see anything wrong with it.

But someone mentioned that 'people only wear it has a fashion statement' that's what I was talking about.

What shoes would you guys be wearing, I don't own boots, so all I have is a pair of Adidas Superstars, not very practical but effin stylish. :D

[kiltedninja]

Dude, I live on Carbs, protein and caffeine(coffee in the mornings) mostly. And vitamin supplements. I also eat a fvcking ton of bananas and tomatoes particularly.
Such is the diet of someone looking to fight in the Octagon.

[Bob]

KN

I must have missed something, I is confoosed.

[kiltedninja]

I'm saying that I don't have much weight to lose. I live on a very sparse diet.

Noc, I wear a pair of Adidas Samba classics when I'm not wearing my dr. martens.

If you're into shoes, look into a pair of trail runners. Hi-Tec makes some good ones.

[mattifikation]

He who stands on toilet is high on pot.

[Darkness]

"I warned you guys. No talking about Religion. Now get back on topic please."

[hightechredneck]

i currently have 2 bob's

first has:
6 pair socks
2 bottles foot powder
2 liters water
bottle of water purification tablets
filtered drinking straw
3 days supply food blocks
9" survival knife w/fish hooks and lines, fire starter, compass, small led flashlight, 2 small game snares
550 parachute cord 100 ft
first aid kit
suiture kit
emergency flashlight/radio=solar and handcrank powered
blue jeans t shirt sweat shirt
small kit of hygene supplys
2 pair of spare eyeglasses
50 ft of wire
tp
spare fire starter
300 rds 9mm
500 rds 22
100 rds 30-30
emergency blankets 4
tube tent
gun cleaning kit
2 leather man tools
swiss army knife
bottle vitimans, supplements
tylynol
18 in crowbar
small gunsmithing kit, minimal, w/spare parts for guns
3 mre's
roll duct tape

2nd bob has 2 liters water
case mre's
additional clothes
can be droped at need
weapons are a different post:x

[rogeneck]

ok darkness i still want some docs tho
why didn't matts post get deleted? looks weird standing alone.

[CAVU45]

A keffiyeh as a fashion statement? Pretty daggy fashion statement if you ask me.:lol:

It goes along with that whole "tacticool" look that some folks are in to.

[Noc]

It goes along with that whole "tacticool" look that some folks are in to.

Yeah, I thought so.

Anyway, socks are going to be very important, all the vietnam veterans I have talked to said you NEED dry socks.

[Darkness]

ok darkness i still want some docs tho
why didn't matts post get deleted? looks weird standing alone.

"Because Matt's comment was only off topic, very short, and not against the rules. And he doesn't do it too often." :lol:

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I thought so.

Anyway, socks are going to be very important, all the vietnam veterans I have talked to said you NEED dry socks.

I went backpacking for three days back in July, and I brought six pairs of socks. In case one pair got wet, I could hang those out to dry, and wear the extras.

[mattifikation]

"Because Matt's comment was only off topic, very short, and not against the rules. And he doesn't do it too often." :lol:

I don't? I must be losing my touch.

I want an MP3 player that can stand up to the test of time as part of my gear. I can't live without my music. Somebody should make an MP3 player that's waterproof, shockproof, and solar powered.

[Bob]

Now that is light weight camping.
Go for three days taking only extra socks.
I believe I would have had to have at least a knife and bic lighter also, but then again I am a city slicker.

[kiltedninja]

Now that is light weight camping.
Go for three days taking only extra socks.
I believe I would have had to have at least a knife and bic lighter also, but then again I am a city slicker.

I had other stuff, but socks was most of my equipment.:lol:

No but seriously, there's this compartment on my hiking backpack that I put all my clothes in, and socks were the most plentiful piece of it. The other 2/3 of my pack was filled with other stuff, like my stove, camelbak, food and shit.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Camel Backs are effing wonderful inventions. Went for a hike a couple weeks ago before classes started. We went for... a while, and I was just sipping on that thing the whole time. I had a 2 liter pack on and it never ran dry the whole day. I like the smaller ones that are like like mini backpacks though. They give me more room to throw on some extra, smaller messengers to fill in ammo and other misc items like maps and whatnot.

[neoanderson9318]

Yeah, camelbacks are prolly the must have piece of equipment for me, other than food and guns of course. :)

[CAVU45]

The Camelback I carried in the ME was probably the best piece of kit I had. They're built in a variety of sizes and configurations now.

[Bob]

What happens if you put beer in one?
Or perhaps more realistically Vodka to purify the water.
About a 50 / 50 mix should work out about right.

[Darkness]

What happens if you put beer in one?

"Just don't do a lot of running, and it should be fine." :think: :lol:


;-) :lol:

[hotlead]

Bro. Hotlead has told me several stories of coffee, beer, tequila, and wiskey in camelbacks on runs and humps at Camp Pendleton. The SNCOs and officers could check canteens real easy, but random checks kinda fell off when the camelbacks were standardized.

He said the runs got longer and faster when anything other than water was discovered in a camelback or canteen, one time his unit ran up and down Mt. MotherFu**er six times in a row, once for every guy who was found with substances other than water on the run.

[Bob]

I bet the guys were real happy with those 6...

[kiltedninja]

I have a 100 oz. that fits in this slot my backpack has in it. I haven't put any alcohol in it yet, since I don't drink often, but I've thought of it before.

[Noc]

For my drinking alcohol, it's scotch all the way, I good bottle of Chivas would go a long way to improve my morale.

Usually when you guys talk about your military items, I'm completely in the dark, but I actually own a camelback!:clap:

But yeah, it's an Australian army issue camelback, I'm not sure in the capacity but I'll check next time I get it out of the cupboard, I'm guessing 3?

[Bob]

A good addition to gear would be a large container of dehydrated alcohol.
It could be re-hydrated and used as a disinfectant or drunk for morale purposes.

[neoanderson9318]

Hm... That's true. But I don't drink, so that wouldn't work for me. :)

[kiltedninja]

A good addition to gear would be a large container of dehydrated alcohol.
It could be re-hydrated and used as a disinfectant or drunk for morale purposes.

How would one go about dehydrating alcohol?

[homelitexl]

haha condoms will be handy

[rogeneck]

yes that way you couldn't have little chainsaw freeks.

[Bob]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dehydrated%20alcohol

[neoanderson9318]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dehydrated%20alcohol
Hm... Interesting. If I ever do start drinking come Z-Day, then I'll know what to do. :) Thanks!

[kiltedninja]

I was just gonna fill a wagon with cans of Mickey's and a couple bottles of Scotch, and cover it with a tarp or something. But this is great.

[Bob]

Yup
20 liters of PURE laboratory grade alchohol for $327
I just wonder which would give less hangover.
Really pure Vodka like Russian Standard or this stuff diluted to drinking strength?

Anyway a bottle of high grade drinking alcohol is a good addition to your supplies.

[Noc]

A hangover is caused by ethanol. I think alcohols like Everclear and pure stuff have a low ethanol content, so they would give you the 'least bad' hangover, although you might die the 190 proof everclear:scare:

I think, maybe I'm wrong.

[Bob]

When Bob was a teenager he used to drink Everclear.
He would dilute it with Coca Cola.
It was cheap and the bootlegger (the guy who sold to minors) always had it.

[neoanderson9318]

So, I take it everybody here drinks except for me?

[Bob]

I dunno
Most humans who are not recovering alkies or very young drink at least some.
Even my wife will occasionally drink.
I have gone for over a year at a stretch without a drink or even a beer.

[CAVU45]

So, I take it everybody here drinks except for me?

Nope. I don't. I can't remember the last time I had a drink.

[kiltedninja]

So, I take it everybody here drinks except for me?

I don't drink often, just every once in a while. I spent the day visting my brother who has the H1N1, and hanging out with my girlfriend. And this 'Swine Flu' shit isn't as bad as everyone cracks it up to be, he's sick and it's a little worse than the regular flu, but it's not the instant death virus that everyone makes it out to be. Its my birthday, I'm supposed to be drunk right now.

[Darkness]

"Okay, guys, this one has strayed a bit too far, for too long. Time to get back on topic."

[kiltedninja]

I see Darkness, no 'Happy Birthday Kilted, now get back on topic.' I'm a little offended.:)

[Dezzoram]

.22 or 30/30 hunting rifle
My .22 revolver
MAYBE a 12ga shotgun (if weight allows)
ammunition for aforementioned

Primary survival gear:
a good multitool
several good folding knives
a watch
U.S Army issue flashlight
Folding bow saw
Hatchet
Machete
Camp shovel (mine has fishing tackle in the handle)
Compass
Sharpening stone
Maps, one topographical of the area, one political of the nearest town(s)
Lightweight rain gear
Flint and Steel/matches/lighters
Mess kit and small camp stove
Heavy, durable clothing, one set, preferentially camouflaged to the environment
100’ of rope
Eye protection
One tarp
Two pair of durable hiking/work boots (wearing one) and lots of socks
Portable radio
Basic First Aid kit
Cell/Satellite phone or other communications array
All in a durable backpack (surprisingly easy to fit it all into)

I keep almost all of these handy in a backpack, excepting the cell phone, radio, and boots

Secondary survival gear: (depending on the area/availability/how much I can carry)
AR-15 (not necessary considering a .22 will work just fine, but an automatic can come in handy)
Weapon servicing kit
My bow and several arrows
Cold Weather Gear
A kilt for zombie rampages (everyone fights better in a kilt!)
Booze. Anything with a high alcohol content for disinfectant and drinking.
Full sized axe
Water jug
Purification tablets
MREs
MORE ROPE (at least 300’ more)
toolkit
chemical components for RDX and some other explosives I can make
mechanical aspects of aforementioned explosives
Wire
Occular devices
Watercraft?
Bathroom necessities
Duct Tape
MORE AMMUNITION
Whatever I pilfer from populated areas, be it guns, lawn chairs for base camp, a young woman from the survivors in the town, you know, the usual. And I’d totally bring at least one other person. No more then 5 total, however, unless local supplies of food are more readily available. One buck can only sustain so many people.

Most of the secondary gear I would stash away, along with food that stores well. Preferably, if I had to stay in one place, I’d keep it in a car I left concealed halfway between wherever I’m hiding and any high-traffic areas for both humans and zombies. I could haul what I need from town or whatever, drop what I don’t need right now in the car, take the rest with me. Minimize my exposure in any high-risk area. As far as my .22s go, I figure that if I peg a zombie in the head with a .22, its just as dead, since a .22 will bounce around the skull a bit. Something bigger might work better, but anything bigger will have more kick and have ammo that weighs more. If your carrying a rifle, your best bet is to use that for hunting game, but it works in a pinch against zombies. Priority 1 shouldn’t be fighting zombies, it should be to defend against long enough to escape.

[Dezzoram]

Also, access to some rather unorthadox weaponry could be necessary. Survival means that your primary concern is yourself. Ergo, much like in the movie Defiance where the weaker Beilski Ostriad was forced to supply the Russian camp, any other survivors are fair game. A potato gun built to fire glass jars full of bleach and ammonia (Chlorine gas) launched at the other's base of survival could be used. I have a friend who thinks this could be an effective way of getting supplies while focusing your own energy towards other ends.
It isnt an honorable way to survive, but making somebody else fix your clothes and guns and collect your food is better then doing it yourself. and if your goal isnt to just survive but to hunt zombies, having a less than lethal weapon at your disposal is a good way of convincing an undiplomatic group to cooperate without killing any survivors.

Granted, this is for the long term, not the short term. plus, that potato gun can become a useful incendiary thrower when facing asea of zombies. I'd chalk it down if i was faced with a long term survival situation

[CAVU45]

My oh my, where to start. That's quite a list you have there. I certainly hope you aren't planning on humping all that gear. It is a mite heavy and cumbersome. I do find it rather amusing that you would turn down a perfectly good AR for a little poodle shooter in the hope that the bullet will "bounce around the skull a bit." Quite honestly I wouldn't bet my life on that happening. I'll take a good AR in .223 or 5.56 any day over a mouse gun. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be advocating pillaging and slavery in your second post. You might be surprised to find that at least some of those survivors you plan on taking advantage of are much better equipped and trained than you are. I imagine the first hint you'd have of this would be on of their higher caliber rifles putting lead in your ass.

[Bob]

Well I am not saying your butt is not intelligent but when you launch a jar full of gasoline, jellied or otherwise with a 'tater' gun be sure to tape it.
Just before touching off the 'tater' gun holler at the top of your lungs "hey y'all watch this".

[Dezzoram]

seemed like a perfectly good idea. plus, all that gear is mildly compact. the first list at least. i keep most of it in a backpack for camping anyways. the second list is kinda a wish list. A .22 kills just as easily as a larger round. And its far more readily available. If you find a box of bullets in an abandoned house, chances are good that they'll be .22s from a plinker rifle. Yeah, bigger rounds are more effective in many ways, but a .22 is just as deadly if it's fairly well aimed.

[CAVU45]

seemed like a perfectly good idea. plus, all that gear is mildly compact. the first list at least. i keep most of it in a backpack for camping anyways. the second list is kinda a wish list. A .22 kills just as easily as a larger round. And its far more readily available. If you find a box of bullets in an abandoned house, chances are good that they'll be .22s from a plinker rifle. Yeah, bigger rounds are more effective in many ways, but a .22 is just as deadly if it's fairly well aimed.

Bigger rounds are more effective, period. For the venerable little .22lr to be effective would require very good marksmanship and for one to be a hell of a lot closer to the target than is deemed prudent. There's a reason the little round isn't used for anything except plinking, varmints, and old hitmen. It has its place. But not as a weapon of main defense.

[rogeneck]

i think some one here cant jump over a telephone wire.

i would rather rambo it than take all of the crap. most of it is useless unless you have a goal other than to survive. go do a little test. put all of your gear in your bags and strap on your hand gun and sling that .22 across your chest. wear that "heavy" clothing and try to run a mile. you (im guessing by your gun choice your not, nor were ever in active service) will probly get a time twice your normal. i deduct by the fact that you said that you want to take slaves after the world ends that your screwed up in the head. most people that messed up in the head dont do much the the sport area. so you most likely get 9:30+ with out all of that stuff. so your going to run a 19 minute mile. that 3 mph.
a human walks that fast.

[Bob]

i think some one here cant jump over a telephone wire.


Well if I could jump a high as a telephone pole holds the wires I would count myself in pretty dang good shape.
Matter of fact I would probably be a Superman...

Now if you are talking about a phone "cord" that's a different matter.

[rogeneck]

dude
"lier lier pants on fire, cant jump over a telephone wire"
were you ever a child?

[mattifikation]

i thought it was liar, liar, pants on fire, hanging from a telephone wire?

[Bob]

HUH?
Where did the telephone wire stuff come from?
It must be a northern thing.

Gear!
Got a nice shot in the arm to my gear fund today.
Going to be buying some new "gear".
I would say what kind but it would be off topic for this thread.

[Surviving ZDay]

heres mine:

Hunters knife
Hunters Bo/arrows
flashlight
lighter/matches
gloves
mask
goalie helm
ham radio/ walkie talkie
gameboy (playing donkeykong is better then thinking about the countless dead you'll never see again. and if you do, they'll be trying to eat you.
batterys
my dads biking hydrapack, fulla kool ade
my super cool army bag, full of canned foods, spam and other goodies
steel toes
heavy jacket
camo pants
a bright orange hoodie that says "IM NOT A ****ING ZOMBIE"
and a few other things I forgot from my list.

[Darkness]

"Hey, Surviving ZDay, I think you might find the following thread interesting......."

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15752

"......Enjoy!" :)

[Mohleybeard]

The internet. They're expensive as hell, but I would assume that they would be totally worth it if you come into a situation where you would need one.

Lockpick guns are actually harder to use than traditional lockpicks, believe it or not.

[kiltedninja]

Eh, I've got a method that's gotten me into a lot of doors that would surprise you and it requires very little money.

[mattifikation]

How are they harder?

[Littlejon126]

I saw the 11 page topic showing people list of weapons that they can't possibly actually own. While a few of the answers were real or seemed at least feasible, some of the gun choices were ridiculous! Some of it wasn't even real!

Let's see how prepared you ACTUALLY are! In the middle of the night while you're sleeping, you're going to receive a disturbing phone call from a frantic friend that says a zombie is moaning and groaning near their front door, and that there are many more out there with it. Air raid sirens start going off, your weather alert radios that automatically play when a weather warning comes up (I have one, it's cool!) starts spewing information about the dead walking the earth. "It" has officially "Hit the fan."

What weapons that are currently in your home would you grab, and why?

I'll list mine after I get a few responses.

[CAVU45]

Gas piston converted M4, 1911A1, and Taurus PT945. Why? Because I own them and they're always loaded.

[snakebite]

I've got a Remington 700, .300 win. mag. Thats it. I;d love more, but the pocket-book is sucking. I have enough gear for myself and the family to pile into the Dodge and make it to Post (im on FT.Carson). From there, its a simple matter of hitting the motor pool, then the Arms room and its go time. Its not much, and I'm not saying its totally adequate, but it would just have to do. Hand tools for the zombies and the 700 for the guys that get in the way.

[mattifikation]

A Mosin Nagant, a Maverick 12 Gauge shotgun, and a WASR AK clone. I used to have a Springfield XD but I had to sell it. While I was unemployed for awhile, it came down to keeping all my guns or eating. (I tried to sell my car before I sold that gun. I should work on my priorities.)

You should be less quick to dismiss the people on here. Some of these folks are real collectors and/or survivalists, and actually have a quite an extensive arsenal.

[Darkness]

"This is how prepared we really are."

[Littlejon126]

A Mosin Nagant, a Maverick 12 Gauge shotgun, and a WASR AK clone. I used to have a Springfield XD but I had to sell it. While I was unemployed for awhile, it came down to keeping all my guns or eating. (I tried to sell my car before I sold that gun. I should work on my priorities.)

You should be less quick to dismiss the people on here. Some of these folks are real collectors and/or survivalists, and actually have a quite an extensive arsenal.

Oh, I'm well aware of that fact. I can read through BS pretty well, that's what I do.

Your collection is similar to mine; I've also got a Maverick 88 Security, several Mosin-nagants (M44, M38, 2 M91/30's and 1 M91/59), GP WASR-10, several Yugo SKS, Ruger No.1 in 25-06 with a Weaver scope, a Winchester Model 12 26in, and more handguns than I care to start counting. Got a few .22's (both rifles and pistols) for plinking with. My duty gun is a Smith and Wesson Model 67, 4 inch barrel, that I carry 5 days a week as a security officer. I'm also a licensed courier and working on my POST certification, as well as a MO CCW holder.

Then again, I'm paid to carry a gun now, and going to school so that I can get a job that carries a gun! I've got a gun on me or within arms reach nearly 24 hours a day.

That being said, looking through this list, there are some obvious non-gun users - or their experience is limited to COD4: Modern Warfare or some silly internet flash game. Trying to wrangle the internet cowboys up and point!

[Darkness]

"Stay on topic, and stop feeding the trolls."

[CAVU45]

That being said, looking through this list, there are some obvious non-gun users - or their experience is limited to COD4: Modern Warfare or some silly internet flash game. Trying to wrangle the internet cowboys up and point!

Of course there are "non-gun users" here. Most will readily admit it also. Doesn't take CPT Obvious to point that one out. So you have a few reponses to your query. Time for you to put up.

[Littlejon126]

I think you guys might misunderstand my intentions. By no means do I intend to troll here. I was a former moderator at a zombie survival site considerably larger than this (Zombie Survival and Defense Wiki) and had to deal with it on a daily basis - I understand that immediately people begin treating new folk like trouble makers at the first sign of disagreement. Then again, the ZSDW had well over 1.5 million hits and literally had that problem daily.

That being said, there's no need to be rude to me. In fact, that behavior just runs new members off; members that might actually contribute something valuable or interesting to the site. I am NOT a trouble maker, and just because you disagree with me doesn't make me a troll.

We can all say that we got P90's and 5000 rounds of 5.7 ammo, and that we live in a box truck that has a water collector on top and armor plating on the sides and to get internet we park in MacDonald's parking lot with our I-Phones, and that might be true.... But it doesn't matter what kind of fancy gizmos you have if you can't start a fire in wet conditions or find a plentiful or renewable source of food and water. Skills are so much more important than junk (even junk good enough to get issued to Stargate teams universe-wide), and I don't see a thread here that discusses teaching practical skills but there's 40 pages of gun crap. I smell ninja....

Frankly, I don't know why my thread was lumped into this stupid "megathread" anyways; it wasn't even the same topic. My post, despite being LOOSELY about gear, was more about finding out how many "mall ninjas" are here to determine whether or not this community is worth my time for recreation. I know for a fact that I'm not the only person here who feels that way....

Hey, it's whatever. If y'all wanna treat me like some sort of zombie survival n00by and discredit my opinion and shut me down, fine - your loss. Cya!

[Littlejon126]

PS - I like the Cpt. Obvious part. That was nice and clever. You want me to put up?

PPS - I'm 50 lbs lighter than these images, which are a year or two old. I got images of that if you need "photograpic proof" for that too.

http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/83/l_4bb2aaa2688c4eb8817c6cb51cdd5822.jpg

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/70/l_ddbdce1b7c02423eba1ec2f9ff8d3995.jpg
In the green, on the right.

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/96/l_c86813034dbdfed16a8a6dc5a6d92bec.jpg
In the rain!

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v273/235/108/1404984680/n1404984680_30037643_6522.jpg

[Darkness]

"OOOOO! Geared-up Pictures! We have a perfect place for those......"
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19687

"......Join the fun." :)

[Amsterdamm]

My Remington 870 Wingmaster is all got and all I need. :evil:

[Darkness]

"There is a lot more than just gun talk in here, Littlejon126, try checking the Index Thread." ;-)
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15744

[Darkness]

"Okay, guys, play nice! Don't make me come back with the Giant Eraser of Doom again." :naughty:

[rickbreck]

My list is modest, but, I think, adequate.

What we'd hope to carry:

Kel-Tec SU-16 .223 semi-auto rifle, takes AR mags;

Marlin Camp 9 9mm semi-auto carbine, shares mags with...
S&W 5906 9mm semi-auto pistol, shares mags with...
Kel-Tec P-11 9mm DAO semi-auto pistol;

Marlin 995 .22 semi-auto rifle, clip fed;
Ithaca 37 12 ga. pump;
CZ 527 .223 carbine bolt-action, scoped;
Iver Johnson .38 S&W break-action revolver.

The hope is that, if we were hoofing it, I could carry the SU-16 and wear the 5906, with the shotgun riding on my backpack in case things got frantic up close;
my son could carry the Camp 9 and wear the .38 (it's a last-ditch thing, okay?), with the CZ riding on his backpack in case we had to reach out;
my daughter could carry the Marlin and wear the P-11 for backup.

Now this stuff would ride, if we had transport other than our feet:

CZ 527 7.62x39 carbine bolt-action;
Ithaca 37 20 ga. pump;
Remington Sportsman .22 bolt-action;
Ruger Single-Six .22 revolver

The CZ in 7.62 is not scoped. It has fixed sights that are deadly out to about 100 yards - shoots like a bad-assed .22 when you're at 50 yards or less. Gives us an option for scrounged ammo.

The .22 rifle and pistol, well, I own 'em, they're accurate, might as well haul them along if you've got a ride. And I've got Sooooo much .22 ammo.

Of course, I never have all the guns I want. I'd like to pick up a couple of Kel-Tec Sub 2000s in 9mm that also use S&W 59 series mags.

And if I could replace all the .22s I'd get three each, (pricey) Browning Buckmark rifles and Buckmark Micro pistols, in case we ever wound up in static defense with time to carefully pick off Zeds from the walls or windows. I shot a Buckmark pistol for a long time and they're really accurate. The rifles are built on the same action so they use the same mag and I assume they, too are very accurate.

[Littlejon126]

My list is modest, but, I think, adequate.

What we'd hope to carry:

Kel-Tec SU-16 .223 semi-auto rifle, takes AR mags;

Marlin Camp 9 9mm semi-auto carbine, shares mags with...
S&W 5906 9mm semi-auto pistol, shares mags with...
Kel-Tec P-11 9mm DAO semi-auto pistol;

Marlin 995 .22 semi-auto rifle, clip fed;
Ithaca 37 12 ga. pump;
CZ 527 .223 carbine bolt-action, scoped;
Iver Johnson .38 S&W break-action revolver.

The hope is that, if we were hoofing it, I could carry the SU-16 and wear the 5906, with the shotgun riding on my backpack in case things got frantic up close;
my son could carry the Camp 9 and wear the .38 (it's a last-ditch thing, okay?), with the CZ riding on his backpack in case we had to reach out;
my daughter could carry the Marlin and wear the P-11 for backup.

Now this stuff would ride, if we had transport other than our feet:

CZ 527 7.62x39 carbine bolt-action;
Ithaca 37 20 ga. pump;
Remington Sportsman .22 bolt-action;
Ruger Single-Six .22 revolver

The CZ in 7.62 is not scoped. It has fixed sights that are deadly out to about 100 yards - shoots like a bad-assed .22 when you're at 50 yards or less. Gives us an option for scrounged ammo.

The .22 rifle and pistol, well, I own 'em, they're accurate, might as well haul them along if you've got a ride. And I've got Sooooo much .22 ammo.

Of course, I never have all the guns I want. I'd like to pick up a couple of Kel-Tec Sub 2000s in 9mm that also use S&W 59 series mags.

And if I could replace all the .22s I'd get three each, (pricey) Browning Buckmark rifles and Buckmark Micro pistols, in case we ever wound up in static defense with time to carefully pick off Zeds from the walls or windows. I shot a Buckmark pistol for a long time and they're really accurate. The rifles are built on the same action so they use the same mag and I assume they, too are very accurate.

NICE! How's that Kel-Tec SU-16 running? A buddy of mine picked up a P-11 years ago, and being so impressed with them I purchased a P3AT for CCW. Runs great after break-in!

I really want one of their .308 rifles (MBR I think it's called?) but I can't justify that sort of expenditure any time soon. But its freaking cool looking!

[rickbreck]

So far the SU-16 runs great, but I've only fired it a couple hundred times. To this point I'd recommend it for non-professionals like me who just want to be prepared, though I couldn't say how it holds up compared to an AR or AK.

Interesting, if you've ever fired a Remington 1100 semi-auto shotgun, the SU-16 feels much the same when you shoot it. The recoil is kind of long and, I dunno, squishy? feeling. The AK recoil seems sharper, shorter, and blowback actionss like the Camp 9 are certainly much sharper. It's not bad, just different.

Yeah, I like Kel-Tecs. I'm old school, I like wood and steel. I even prefer blue to stainless, but I think the little Kel-Tec pistols are awesome. I've seen .25 autos that are bigger than my 9mm, and right off hand I can't recall it ever hanging up except when I fed it crappy ammo.

[Shufflef00t]

I've kept my list to things I already have.

I'm wearing ankle/wrist to collar dryfit/thermal under double knee jeans and a tactical vest. I keep matches, ammo, scouting scope, utility knife, and a pair of heavy leather gloves in my vest.

Primary: 30-06 Browning BAR lightweight stalker (4 round box mag is a pain, but it was free)

Secondary: 12g Remington 870 w/sling, Flashlight

Side-arm: no current. Research in progress.

Melee: Machete, Crowbar (dreaming of a stiletto ti-bar)

Backpack: MedKit, non-perishable rations, 200rds 30-06, 50rds 12g, gun cleaning supplies, bedroll, flares, matches, notebook, gloves, bandanna, canteen, binoculars, basic tool kit.

I strap my 870 to one side of the bag, and the crowbar to the other. I carry the BAR and my machete is holstered on my left hip.

During downtime or hunting, I strap the 870 tight to my back. I wear the bandanna to quiet my breathing and protect from splatter.

I've also got 2 large milsurp duffel bags to be packed with food, clothes, ammo, etc.

[Genocide X]

this would be my survival gear

Clothes

Sunglasses - to protect from sun's rays and from blood splatter to the eyes, but thats not a big concern considering that zombies has little to no bloodflow.

Bandana- to look badass (raises morale) and the bandana serves many purposes: quick medical bandage, to wipe sweat off of face, to use as a rag for molotoves etc...

A tactical vest- a black tactical vest has many pockets and is fit to be tight. Many tactical vest have a holster for a pistol.

A leather jacket- leather jackets are strong enough to prevent bites and they are moveable. I agree that they are terrible to wear in warm weather but nothing is perfect. preferably I would have a leather jacket with a large collar to pop up to help further protect my neck from bites... also it would be better for the jacket to have steel studs on the forearms, just in case if things get hairy you can go for a forearms smash.

Undershirt- I would wear a long sleeve tight shirt. to provide warmth and somewhat more layers against Zed bites.

fingerless leather gloves- provide finger motion while proteting wrists and hands. and also prevent any other wounds on your hands

Black cargos- many pockets, camouflage cargos are also a good thing to have. light and moveable.

Shin guards- Provides protection for your legs. and everybody knows how much it hurts to bang your shins into something. so this is a precaution of protection just in case if your evading a Zed and you hit your shins against a table or something. plus shin guards give you more rebound if going for any Tae kwon do mid section kicks. ( note those kicks should only be used to push back a zombie, not for assault)

Ordinary running shoes- loose, I am capable of running in them, and they breath easily.

I preferred to have everything in black because of camouflage during darker conditions because they are the most dangerous conditions, but also for morale, if you look like a bad ass you will feel like a bad ass. morale raises but you still dont have enough protection to fall into a false sense of security

[kiltedninja]

Problem with black is, against lighter back drops and at night, you'll cast a silhouette. Go for dark blue, gray, or brown.

[unnamedbaby77]

Problem with black is, against lighter back drops and at night, you'll cast a silhouette. Go for dark blue, gray, or brown.

amen

anyone for some OD green ?

another thing to consider is what shows up under nightvision

you may be in all black blue or green and glow white under NVG's with some fabrics

[kiltedninja]

Actually the pants I'm looking at wearing are olive green and comfortable as f*ck. That or it's my Black-gray BDUs, I wear 'em backpacking alot, or my kilt, and they're also in the goddamn comfortable category of pants.

[unnamedbaby77]

yeah I go black and grey brown or OD for all my combat clothing

any one seen these?
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh170/lokevinter/a3ee5d62.jpg

badassed pocket configuration and I love the under armour chest to go under your L.B.V.!!!

[Dave Of The Dead]

Broken link.

I get all my survival clothing from Good Will. I'm not fancy.

[kiltedninja]

I really don't have much for survival clothing, it's whatever I'm wearing at the moment really.

[unnamedbaby77]

being the maniac that i am . I go tactical all the time ..

I always have bloused boots and a full belt :D

being me is awsome :p

[kiltedninja]

being the maniac that i am . I go tactical all the time ..

I always have bloused boots and a full belt :D

being me is awsome :p

AKA he's a mall ninja.

[unnamedbaby77]

now your just being insulting, funny from someone who claims to sport a kilt and his fathers weapons.

if any of my opinions dont sit well with you please feel free to discuss them with me but this childish name calling can be found on any other site(and if I seem kurt its because I am)

I carry : an H&K usp, 2x mags, a surefire, a gerber multi tool, a kershaw s30v blur and a camillus companion(all except the fire arm get used regularly) .... every day. if that makes me a mall ninja than so be it where do i get my poh?

I wear tactical clothing because it suits me better that a john deer trucker hat and a pair of wranglers (and I like having usefull pockets) :D

and just for the record I joined this site to discuss things of interest to me with people that share the same interest .. not be flammed by E-warriors ........bad form

[Redneck]

Chill, it sounded like a joke.

Anyways, what type of pants to you use? and how many pockets?

[unnamedbaby77]

sorry. agreed I have issues with the internet ....this kid does seem to have a thing for me though :D I get that alot...im kind of an ass ...

as for pants all I own are cargo pants and 1 pair of slacks and1 pair of jeans so I have MANY different brands and styles.

my current favorites are the setups from the guys at CRYE PRECISION

http://www.belisimo.com/prodimages/crye/CP1_FRONT.JPG

[Redneck]

I'm not a huge fan of cargo pants, The pockets are much bigger then I need, and if I do have them full of stuff, they are hard to run in.

I like carhartts, dickies and sometimes carpenter pants, 2-3 extra pockets over blue jeans.

[kiltedninja]

Man you need to fvckin chill. I was screwing around with you. I do that to people on here. I said I did sport my dad's weapons, because I had them, now that I'm on my own I'll be buying my own. I just feel like you're trying way too hard to throw yourself on everyone and saying obnoxious shit.

And if you've got such an extensive martial arts background like you say you do then why carry all that extra firepower? I've been training for six years and I don't even carry a pocket knife, I think you might need to find a confidence booster.

And I'm not sayin' it's bad to wear 'tactical clothing', I wear my kilt as I would any other piece of clothing, I'm more likely to be seen in a pair of old BDU's or 5.11 pants than my kilt. Even some relaxed fit jeans. You just need to chill and stop being so goddamn defensive, it makes you look bad. Take the little jabs, and roll with 'em. You're a man aren't you? A real man doesn't need to defend his pride with his cool tactical get up and guns and shit, mall ninjas do.

Like I said I'm simply saying that you need to relax and stop trying to prove yourself, I called you a mall ninja to fvck with you, but you're trying to defend yourself like a mall ninja.

And what the fvck? insulting someone's heritage? I wear a kilt because I want to be comfortable, like you and your shit, but I also do it because it's part of my heritage and I identify with it. That's one step above racism I think.

And just so this isn't totally off topic, my survival pack has been getting smaller as I've been developing a minimalist approach to it. I'll get a list of my pack as soon as I can.

[unnamedbaby77]

I just cant get denim to fit me right

[Redneck]

And if you've got such an extensive martial arts background like you say you do then why carry all that extra firepower? I've been training for six years and I don't even carry a pocket knife, I think you might need to find a confidence booster.

Maybe he wants to bring a gun, to a knife fight. :lol:

[unnamedbaby77]

Man you need to fvckin chill. I was screwing around with you. I do that to people on here. I said I did sport my dad's weapons, because I had them, now that I'm on my own I'll be buying my own. I just feel like you're trying way too hard to throw yourself on everyone and saying obnoxious shit.

And if you've got such an extensive martial arts background like you say you do then why carry all that extra firepower? I've been training for six years and I don't even carry a pocket knife, I think you might need to find a confidence booster.

And I'm not sayin' it's bad to wear 'tactical clothing', I wear my kilt as I would any other piece of clothing, I'm more likely to be seen in a pair of old BDU's or 5.11 pants than my kilt. Even some relaxed fit jeans. You just need to chill and stop being so goddamn defensive, it makes you look bad. Take the little jabs, and roll with 'em. You're a man aren't you? A real man doesn't need to defend his pride with his cool tactical get up and guns and shit, mall ninjas do.

Like I said I'm simply saying that you need to relax and stop trying to prove yourself, I called you a mall ninja to fvck with you, but you're trying to defend yourself like a mall ninja.

And what the fvck? insulting someone's heritage? I wear a kilt because I want to be comfortable, like you and your shit, but I also do it because it's part of my heritage and I identify with it. That's one step above racism I think.

And just so this isn't totally off topic, my survival pack has been getting smaller as I've been developing a minimalist approach to it. I'll get a list of my pack as soon as I can.

I actually wrote a detailed reply to this insulting bog of name calling....then thought better of it

I guess its only justified one way? new rule to me :D

[kiltedninja]

Well we're working it out in PM, so let's get back on topic.

I have to wear denim loose or it's uncomfortable.

[unnamedbaby77]

Well we're working it out in PM, so let's get back on topic.

I have to wear denim loose or it's uncomfortable.

maybe thats my issue is i dont go baggy enough with denim...but I cant handle baggy either... :-(


on the subject of pockets I have a pair of off brand "URBAN" cargo's with the cargo pockets moved to the thigh area...much more comfortable for running

dickies(what I am wearing atm) are great if you take the time to rid the pockets of that horrid Velcro and sew a button on

[Dave Of The Dead]

Nothing says stealth like velcro

[unnamedbaby77]

Nothing says stealth like velcro

RIGHT!

the spooky part is that ALL our ARMY troops have velcro closures on ALL their pockets with the new ACU's.....sad

a good buddy of mine is deployed right now , he made the joke that one of the loudest things he has ever hear is a squad of grunts in the midst a stealth movement.

[kiltedninja]

I wear the Dickies cargo pants a lot, they're probably my favorites next to my old black/gray BDU pants.

I don't mind the velcro since I'm not really sneaking about so much and I never keep anything in those pockets.

But when I DO sneak around, I'm usually wearing them, they're slightly smaller than my BDUs, and still allow the freedom of movement that I like to have. I wear them for parkour a lot too.

[Redneck]

Here is a camo study I found, its an ok read, they need to add OD, black, and woodland (atleast) then it would be good.
Camouflage Detection Test (http://www.scribd.com/doc/19823845/Photosimulation-Camouflage-Detection-Test)

(if there is a better spot for this let me know)

[kiltedninja]

I've since fallen in love with the Carhartt Double kneed Dungaree jeans. I'm gonna buy a few pairs and wash 'em till they're softer and then I'll be set. I wore a pair and they're comfortable as hell and have a good range of movement, and of course there's the durability factor, but come on, they're made of canvas.

[Hitman Monkey]

i think with pants i'd try to find something that is not only durable, but dries quickly. that's my main problem with denim in a zed-type situation. walking around in wet jeans SUCKS. then again, it rains a lot this close to the gulf...maybe i'm biased:)

LA Police Gear makes some good stuff...very similar to 5.11, but usually half the price.

another question - poncho, or rain jacket/pants?

[kiltedninja]

Disregard this...it was never here....

[kiltedninja]

Well those jeans I was talking about are made of canvas, I'm not too worried about the dryness factor. It can get pretty rainy here in the Willamette valley but not so bad that canvas gets soaked, but I know how you mean when you say that walking around in wet jeans sucks.

[JimiVengeance]

benelli mr1 .223
Spas 12
glock 22 .40

plenty of extra rounds of course

im too lazy to list the stuff other than weapons lol :drinking:

[kiltedninja]

Man, imagine the day has come when people are too lazy to do stuff on the internet.

[ryanrydell]

are you tired of reading those short list of 5 things you need to survive Z-Day?
are uneducated views of survival techniques getting on your nerves?
do you want a "real" look into what you need to stay human?

i've got your answer.

check out my blog for a continued in depth look at all the necessary things you MUST HAVE to survive Z-Day.

you will also find a theory on how it happens

http://www.ryanrydell.blogspot.com

here is a sneak peak:

They say that Scientists in Russia have found a way to temporarily suspend life for surgical processes. Using a combination of neuroscience and ancient voodoo myth, they found a way to put a person in "Suspended Animation". By inhibiting the brains functions with neurotoxins and replacing the blood with a special saline solution they call "blood water", doctors are able to take as much time as necessary to perform surgery on otherwise time critical subjects. Instead of death, a patient is put into what they call a "dead sleep" until injuries are cared for and the blood is transfused back into the patient. Early trials on Dogs and Pigs have proven successful, and they quickly moved to human testing.

KNOW A ZOMBIE WHEN YOU SEE ONE

Far too many people will fall victim to a zombie they thought was a fellow survivor. Humanity makes us all want to help save as many people as possible, and when we run accross the random human, its our responsibility to help them. Lose this trait and you might as well become a Zombie yourself. We must remember though that not every one is savable. You MUST "know a zombie when you see one" and eliminate the threat.......

[CAVU45]

Interesting, but nothing new. So, what makes your view of things more "educated"? What makes them more "real?

[ryanrydell]

Interesting, but nothing new. So, what makes your view of things more "educated"? What makes them more "real?

Thank you for the reply, but i must point out that my list is not done yet.

I'll never state to be "more educated". rather, my post makes a bland stab at some of the quick, lack of thought, senseless survival guides out there.

in comparison, after I have posted all i've got (which will take a few weeks), the totality of its inclusions will show that "real" thought went into it.

[CAVU45]

Okay. So basically it's for shits and grins and not to be taken seriously. Do I have that right?

[ryanrydell]

Okay. So basically it's for shits and grins and not to be taken seriously. Do I have that right?

You can interpret it however you like. Use it for preparation, read for entertainment...however you see it, thats up to you.

[mattifikation]

Unless you post it here for us to read, you're really just kind of spamming your blog.

[CAVU45]

You can interpret it however you like. Use it for preparation, read for entertainment...however you see it, thats up to you.

Curioser and curioser. How exactely do you want it to be read. Do you want people to take it seriously? Do you want people to see it as a spoof? You come across as an "expert" so don't be surprised when you're asked for proof.

[ryanrydell]

Curioser and curioser. How exactely do you want it to be read. Do you want people to take it seriously? Do you want people to see it as a spoof? You come across as an "expert" so don't be surprised when you're asked for proof.

I can't control what I "come across" as...because this is up to the reader to determine. Although, I don't think anyone could ever proclaim themselves as a Zombie Apocalypse "expert" due to the lack of living experience with such.

I write stuff for it to be read...and hence, I openly allow each reader to control its effect on them personally. At the end of my "series", if you will, there will be more insight into my personal views...and I'm sure you can understand when I say I can't reveal that right now.

I'll tell you this much...if I was to come across it as a casual browser, I would read it with both entertainment and planning in mind.

how will you read it?

[ryanrydell]

Unless you post it here for us to read, you're really just kind of spamming your blog.

or trying to save time.

[CAVU45]

I can't control what I "come across" as...because this is up to the reader to determine. Although, I don't think anyone could ever proclaim themselves as a Zombie Apocalypse "expert" due to the lack of living experience with such.

I write stuff for it to be read...and hence, I openly allow each reader to control its effect on them personally. At the end of my "series", if you will, there will be more insight into my personal views...and I'm sure you can understand when I say I can't reveal that right now.

I'll tell you this much...if I was to come across it as a casual browser, I would read it with both entertainment and planning in mind.

how will you read it?

I probably won't.

[mattifikation]

No, coming to a forum you've never, ever posted in before and saying "Check out my blog, guys!" is actually the definition of spam.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, that about sums it up.

[ryanrydell]

But this thread's about all kinds of gear. I was specifically interested in ideas for armor. The weapons threads aren't all moved here. :-/

When it comes to protection gear, i think that there are very few "great" ideas. Everything will have some kind of use and some kind of flaw. ie...a leather jacket (which i suggest) will protect from bites, but doesn't offer breath-ability. Boots, while offering great traction and durability, will create a problem in weight and time to put on and take off.

I will be posting my suggestions on "what to wear" on my blog ryanrydell.blogspot.com soon, and when i do, i will be sure to copy the short list here.

[ryanrydell]

No, coming to a forum you've never, ever posted in before and saying "Check out my blog, guys!" is actually the definition of spam.

I need not argue my intentions...as they are "my" intentions.

I will, however, argue the definition of Spam:

a disruptive, esp. commercial message posted on a computer network or sent as e-mail.

I see nothing about my post that is "disruptive" or "commercial". the simple fact that i remain on the site and reply to the posts are proof that it isn't "spam".

Is this really about my blog, or do you just have a personal problem with noobs?

[CAVU45]

When it comes to protection gear, i think that there are very few "great" ideas. Everything will have some kind of use and some kind of flaw. ie...a leather jacket (which i suggest) will protect from bites, but doesn't offer breath-ability. Boots, while offering great traction and durability, will create a problem in weight and time to put on and take off.

I will be posting my suggestions on "what to wear" on my blog ryanrydell.blogspot.com soon, and when i do, i will be sure to copy the short list here.

When protection comes to mind, the general rule is compromise. Leather jackets are a good example of this. Boots aren't. A good set of desert or jungle boots with the speed lace system is every bit as fast to put on as any other footwear one might have and just as lightweight.

[ryanrydell]

When protection comes to mind, the general rule is compromise. Leather jackets are a good example of this. Boots aren't. A good set of desert or jungle boots with the speed lace system is every bit as fast to put on as any other footwear one might have and just as lightweight.

i have to dissagree.

a good military boot will typically weigh a couple pounds per boot, and if you go for a more "kick zombie ass" kind of boot, can be over 4 pounds each.

a good waterproof ankle high running shoe with zip up closure (the ones that i recommend in my next blog post) weighs only 13.8 oz.

a big difference is in the put on and lace up time. I will challenge anyone with a "speed lace" boot to put on their footwear faster than they can these running shoes.

not to mention long term comfort and the factor of laces coming loose.

[unnamedbaby77]

I wear relatively cheap duty boots(Matterhorn $40) and they are the most comfortable stealthy and lightweight boots I have ever owned(more so than my brothers Danner duty boots which kinda disappointed me) ...and with the side zips AND speed laces they are VERY fast to get on and bloused.

Just like these but made by Matterhorn :

http://www.recon-tactical.com/images/26892L.jpg

[ryanrydell]

those 5.11's look great.

if you are use to them on a regular basis, those are spot on...

to me though, survival is objective #1...therefore, i will be avoiding combat. In that scenario I would recommend a more practical running/tennis shoe that people are use to.

[CAVU45]

i have to dissagree.

a good military boot will typically weigh a couple pounds per boot, and if you go for a more "kick zombie ass" kind of boot, can be over 4 pounds each.

a good waterproof ankle high running shoe with zip up closure (the ones that i recommend in my next blog post) weighs only 13.8 oz.

a big difference is in the put on and lace up time. I will challenge anyone with a "speed lace" boot to put on their footwear faster than they can these running shoes.

not to mention long term comfort and the factor of laces coming loose.

Disagree all you want. Having actually worn both the jungle and desert boots on duty for extended periods of time on varying terrain, I can attest to their comfort, durability, utility, and the ease with which they can be put on (During mortar and rocket attacks the last thing one wants to do is fumble with laces). I would also say that a good boot will last longer than any running shoe. I can attest to this also, having worn out any number of very good quality running shoes (Nike, Asics, and Saucony). But it's much ado...Anyone with any experience will nto be removing his boots in hostile territory. In those cases it's best to have two pairs of boots and change them out every other day, hanging one set on the back of your pack to dry out.

[CAVU45]

those 5.11's look great.

if you are use to them on a regular basis, those are spot on...

to me though, survival is objective #1...therefore, i will be avoiding combat. In that scenario I would recommend a more practical running/tennis shoe that people are use to.

The great thing about modern duty and combat boots, they're built much like running shoes. Hell, Converse is even getting in on the act.

[ryanrydell]

personal preference will always win over.

[Dark Gale]

personal preference will always win over.

Why would you prefer cheap running shoes over boots that feel just as good, will last longer, and protect your feet better?

[CAVU45]

personal preference will always win over.

True enough. But personal preference aside (and it wasn't personal preference but actual experience), looking at it objectively, boots will win out over running shoes in the type of environment we're discussing. One other thing you mentioned was zippers. It would seem to me that zippers, especially on footwear, would be best avoided in any PAW. Laces and buttons can be replaced easily enough. If a zipper breaks though....well I do believe the zippered object would be essentially worthless.

[ryanrydell]

Why would you prefer cheap running shoes over boots that feel just as good, will last longer, and protect your feet better?

because i wouldn't choose "cheap" shoes, and don't believe that boots feel as good, last much longer, or in application would offer enough incremental protection to overlook what i see as less comfort.

[ryanrydell]

True enough. But personal preference aside (and it wasn't personal preference but actual experience), looking at it objectively, boots will win out over running shoes in the type of environment we're discussing. One other thing you mentioned was zippers. It would seem to me that zippers, especially on footwear, would be best avoided in any PAW. Laces and buttons can be replaced easily enough. If a zipper breaks though....well I do believe the zippered object would be essentially worthless.

you are correct in that zippers are practically impossible to replace in a PAW...although, they are much harder to break than a simple lace. The differences outside of speed are minimal in my mind.

[Dark Gale]

because i wouldn't choose "cheap" shoes, and don't believe that boots feel as good, last much longer, or in application would offer enough incremental protection to overlook what i see as less comfort.

Running shoes are cheap. I've had some very good running shoes before, and they only lasted me about 5 months before falling apart.

Boots on the other hand, I've warn some that feel nearly as comfortable as running shoes.

[ryanrydell]

I will be posting my suggestions on "what to wear" on my blog ryanrydell.blogspot.com soon, and when i do, i will be sure to copy the short list here.

As promised, here is the list. A full version with photos and explanations can be found on my blog, ryanrydell.blogspot.com

WHAT TO WEAR

Allow me first to say that this category, among others, has some items that are entirely up to your location, size, and desired end point. What I recommend here should work well for anyone that decides to utilize this list as a planning tool, and if you do make changes, i suggest you refer to extensive research on the items before you do.

Additionally, when choosing clothes, keep in mind that looks does matter. Although some may say that appearance means nothing in a post-apocalyptic world, I beg to differ. When dealing with other survivors, a keen edge will be found in your ability to both motivate and manipulate people. Physical appearance is one of the major factors in the human psyche. The better you look, the easier it will be to work with others.

- LEATHER JACKET -
- JEANS -
- UNDER ARMOUR COLD GEAR -
- UNDER ARMOUR GLOVES -
- KINETIC COMPASS WATCH -
- SAUCONY RAZOR SHOES -
- A LOT OF BANDANNAS -
- AVIATORS -
- ZOMBIE KILLER T-SHIRT -
_____

In addition to all the above items lets not forget the importance of good quality:

- Socks
- Underwear
- Deodorant

_____

A prequel to the next category "WEAPONS: GUNS" is the following items you'll need to wear:

- SHOULDER HOLSTER -
- HIP HOLSTER -
- ANKLE HOLSTER -

[CAVU45]

As promised, here is the list. A full version with photos and explanations can be found on my blog, ryanrydell.blogspot.com

WHAT TO WEAR

Allow me first to say that this category, among others, has some items that are entirely up to your location, size, and desired end point. What I recommend here should work well for anyone that decides to utilize this list as a planning tool, and if you do make changes, i suggest you refer to extensive research on the items before you do.

Additionally, when choosing clothes, keep in mind that looks does matter. Although some may say that appearance means nothing in a post-apocalyptic world, I beg to differ. When dealing with other survivors, a keen edge will be found in your ability to both motivate and manipulate people. Physical appearance is one of the major factors in the human psyche. The better you look, the easier it will be to work with others.

- LEATHER JACKET -
- JEANS -
- UNDER ARMOUR COLD GEAR -
- UNDER ARMOUR GLOVES -
- KINETIC COMPASS WATCH -
- SAUCONY RAZOR SHOES -
- A LOT OF BANDANNAS -
- AVIATORS -
- ZOMBIE KILLER T-SHIRT -
_____

In addition to all the above items lets not forget the importance of good quality:

- Socks
- Underwear
- Deodorant

_____

A prequel to the next category "WEAPONS: GUNS" is the following items you'll need to wear:

- SHOULDER HOLSTER -
- HIP HOLSTER -
- ANKLE HOLSTER -

No argument with the leather jacket. A good pair of canvas pants would last longer and be more comfortable than jeans. Under Armour is nice, but there are cheaper alternatives that are every bit as good. Check out the US Cavalry Store for them. The watch is a good addition. Footwear? I think we already covered why running shoes would be a bad idea. Forget the aviators. Go with something like the WileyX XL-1 or Romer II. An argument could even be made for something like the WileyX Patriot or ESS Striker goggles. Ballistic protection and interchangable lenses. Zombie killer t-shirt? I believe a soft cotton canvas shirt would be better than a t-shirt. It wears better, is more durable, and cleans easier.

Yes, looks do matter and after a month or two on the road both you and your gclothing are going to be in sad shape. I can't imagine what a t-shirt would look like after that amount of time on the go.

[unnamedbaby77]

I have to say that I have replaced, repaired and serviced MANY zippers in my life on bags, clothes, my boots (which has waterproof zippers ) and other items...once you mess with a few of them a bit they are really easy to fix and repair, and the speed you can be booted is invaluable
also they dont wear out nearly as fast as my laces tend to.

I have been wearing all sorts of combat boots since I was around 10 years old...and besides aforementioned duty boots these are my favorite so far:
http://reviews.uscav.com/prodinfo/images/18934.jpg

Tanker boots!!!...VERY comfortable and VERY quick to put on, almost indestructible and plenty of protection

[CAVU45]

I have to say that I have replaced, repaired and serviced MANY zippers in my life on bags, clothes, my boots (which has waterproof zippers ) and other items...once you mess with a few of them a bit they are really easy to fix and repair, and the speed you can be booted is invaluable
also they dont wear out nearly as fast as my laces tend to.


:roll: Most people just don't have the vast experience that you have gained in your lifetime. I've repaired and replaced zipeprs also. The point being, when on the road very few people will have the resources available to repair/replace a zipper. I have an old pair of Salamander hiking boots that are quite literally older than you are. I still have the original laces in them after all these years and thousands of miles.

[Bob]

I have a racquetball case that needs a zipper repaired.
I have tried a couple of times I even salvaged the pull part from another internal zipper and it did not last.
If I cannot fix that sitting in my office at work with tools at hand I doubt I could fix the zipper on a pair of jeans or boots in the field with a multi-tool and a rock.
I am not being argumentative here I need advice, is there some sort of kit I am unaware of and should get on order?

[CAVU45]

Why yes there is Bob! It's the Super Stealth Ninja Warrior of All Knowledge Folding Custom Katana and Zipper Repair Kit. Get it now for the unbelievable low price of only $14.95!!! Call right now, Because we can't do this all day, and get a second kit free!!! Just pay seperate shipping and handling....:)

[Onslaught]

As promised, here is the list. A full version with photos and explanations can be found on my blog, ryanrydell.blogspot.com

WHAT TO WEAR

Allow me first to say that this category, among others, has some items that are entirely up to your location, size, and desired end point. What I recommend here should work well for anyone that decides to utilize this list as a planning tool, and if you do make changes, i suggest you refer to extensive research on the items before you do.

Additionally, when choosing clothes, keep in mind that looks does matter. Although some may say that appearance means nothing in a post-apocalyptic world, I beg to differ. When dealing with other survivors, a keen edge will be found in your ability to both motivate and manipulate people. Physical appearance is one of the major factors in the human psyche. The better you look, the easier it will be to work with others.

- LEATHER JACKET -
- JEANS -
- UNDER ARMOUR COLD GEAR -
- UNDER ARMOUR GLOVES -
- KINETIC COMPASS WATCH -
- SAUCONY RAZOR SHOES -
- A LOT OF BANDANNAS -
- AVIATORS -
- ZOMBIE KILLER T-SHIRT -
_____

In addition to all the above items lets not forget the importance of good quality:

- Socks
- Underwear
- Deodorant

_____

A prequel to the next category "WEAPONS: GUNS" is the following items you'll need to wear:

- SHOULDER HOLSTER -
- HIP HOLSTER -
- ANKLE HOLSTER -

I notice that you have three pistol holsters present.

Why?

What caliber will these three different handguns use?
How are they similar/different?

Have you ever personally used an ankle holster? have you ever personally worn your recommended system?

[ryanrydell]

I notice that you have three pistol holsters present.
Why?


read the full post on my blog and explanations will be on each


What caliber will these three different handguns use?
How are they similar/different?



that answer will be revealed when I post my 'WEAPONS: GUNS' list on my blog. :naughty:



Have you ever personally used an ankle holster? have you ever personally worn your recommended system?

You mean, have I ever worn jeans, tennis shoes, leather jacket, a t-shirt, a bandanna, a watch, aviators and gloves???? :loon:

Yes, I have...that's easy enough to assume...

concerning my entire "yet to be posted" list of gear:

I would say yes, but that wouldn't matter, because you would have to take my word for it. That's the pleasure of the internet. I could claim to be a millionaire martial artist, but a claim on a web forum is nothing more than a barren claim. always has been, always will be.

I could say no, but that wouldn't matter either because no one on this site has ever lived through a Zombie Apocalypse...therefore, every one of our suggestions is "theory", whether or not based on current experience, its had no field trial in an undead world and hence, will always be "theory" until it does. Some theories are better than others, based upon the theory itself...

since when was a theory's validity subject to its originator's credentials???

If you don't get what I'm trying to say...here it is in plain words:

it doesn't matter either way.

I know my experience, and that's all that matters. In terms of suggested survival gear, let the gear speak for itself, an ankle holster is an ankle holster whether or not the person recommending it has worn it.

But to be more forward with you...yes, i have worn an ankle holster. (its entirely up to you if you choose to believe me)

I've said this before. On this topic, personal preference will ALWAYS win over.

[mattifikation]

More plugging of your fvcking blog, instead of just contributing to the web site we're all already in.

Yes, I have a problem with noobs, and people like you are the reason why.

[ryanrydell]

More plugging of your fvcking blog, instead of just contributing to the web site we're all already in.

Yes, I have a problem with noobs, and people like you are the reason why.

nice to see that you are so disturbed by me suggesting my site...

is that a link to your myspace page i see????

[CAVU45]

nice to see that you are so disturbed by me suggesting my site...

is that a link to your myspace page i see????

Why yes it is. Difference is, he isn't spamming the forum trying to get people to visit his myspace page. He's actively contributing here and not throwing out tidbits in an attempt to lure people away. Which begs the question; Why should anyone read your blog? What expertise do you have that would make one want to follow your advice as it pertains to survival techniques and weapons? What training have you received? Have you any real world experience with the gear and weapons you propose to use in the fictional environment?

[SWAT Zombie]

Why yes there is Bob! It's the Super Stealth Ninja Warrior of All Knowledge Folding Custom Katana and Zipper Repair Kit. Get it now for the unbelievable low price of only $14.95!!! Call right now, Because we can't do this all day, and get a second kit free!!! Just pay seperate shipping and handling....:)

Oh man! I've been looking everywhere for one of those.

[ryanrydell]

throwing out tidbits in an attempt to lure people away.




you've got to be kidding me. Lure people away? what is this...a religion?



Which begs the question; Why should anyone read your blog?

why so hard up on my blog? its not like i'm trying to take over the world or anything?


What expertise do you have that would make one want to follow your advice as it pertains to survival techniques and weapons? What training have you received? Have you any real world experience with the gear and weapons you propose to use in the fictional environment?

are you seriously going to ask me to confirm "real world" experience to validate suggestions for a "fictional environment"??? :lol:

Its effing "fictional"...what don't you people get about that? :loon:

until its real, no one's expertise matters. All that matters is its validity in a "fictional realm" with "fictional beings" and "fictional use" of all the suggested gear. All of the stuff on this website is based off of information gained through "fictional stories" ie. movies, books, blogs, etc...so what does "real life" experience have anything to do with it?

If there ever did come a Zombie Apocalypse, we don't have ANY clue what it would be like in REALITY. Maybe the Zombies will have a problem with everyone that looks like military and all that gear is a Honey Glaze to them. Maybe the just run around eating and :poo:ting all day...no threat to man kind at all. Maybe they will grow an ability to fly, or run 60mph, or retain knowledge of weaponry.

who knows?...you?...anyone?

NO...you don't know...cause its ****** fantasy fiction. Bottom line, everyone on this site comes here for entertainment. Keeps you busy, its something to do. There may be other factors, but ultimately, psychologically...its all about entertainment.

why don't we get down to the real question that everyone should be asked here...the only one that would create any kind of relativity...

has anyone here EVER killed a Zombie?
lived in a Zombie infested world?
seen a Zombie?

until someone answers yes to those questions...not one person has any more credential than the next.

[Bob]

Oh man now you have done it Cav.
I got off early today and was drinking Russian Standard when I read that.
Let me tell you, it is smooth stuff going down but when it comes out your nose somebody call the freaking fire dept!!!!!!
It burns like hell!!!!
At least it did not mess up my keyboard as it was straight.
Now I am going to need a couple more shots to make the pain in my nose go away.
My wife is going to be pissed when she comes home and finds Bob asleep.

[mattifikation]

Why yes it is. Difference is, he isn't spamming the forum trying to get people to visit his myspace page. He's actively contributing here and not throwing out tidbits in an attempt to lure people away. Which begs the question; Why should anyone read your blog? What expertise do you have that would make one want to follow your advice as it pertains to survival techniques and weapons? What training have you received? Have you any real world experience with the gear and weapons you propose to use in the fictional environment?

+1.

People here have actually asked me about contacting me outside of ATZ, so I put the link in my signature. Nobody asked about your damn blog, dude.

I'll tell you what will get me off your case. Click back to the "All Things Zombie Forum," you know, the front page. Scroll down to where it says Shameless Plugs (http://allthingszombie.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18), or click on the link I just gave you to take you to that section of the forum. Spam your fvcking blog there to your heart's content. That's why that section is there. Everyone else has to post links to their off-site shit in the relevant forums, so what the hell makes you think you should be above the rest of us?

When you stop making every other post of yours say "Go read my blog for more information!" you can even put a link in your signature and not catch any shit for it.

For all we know, your blog could be set up to hit us with a fvcking virus. Why the hell should we have to go off site to read the rest of your post?

[ryanrydell]

+1.

I had no idea there was a point system.

+500 points to mattifikation for revealing that to me. :clap:


People here have actually asked me about contacting me outside of ATZ, so I put the link in my signature. Nobody asked about your damn blog, dude.



I don't expect them to.



When you stop making every other post of yours say "Go read my blog for more information!" you can even put a link in your signature and not catch any shit for it.


I'll be sure to do that...cause i would hate to be docked "points" for not obeying. It seems I'm already behind you by at least 500 points.:cry:


For all we know, your blog could be set up to hit us with a fvcking virus. Why the hell should we have to go off site to read the rest of your post?

well...that sucks...you caught me...I created a blog to deliver a virus and put my name in the title. :doh: didn't think you would have figured it out.

[mattifikation]

Of course there's a point system. If you just awarded me 500 points, that puts me at negative 6 million. You haven't been here nearly long enough to rack up the ill will that I have earned from some of these people.

I think I've said all I need to say about this blog issue, so I'll probably not go on about it again. I still think the way you're going about it is a major netiquette violation though.

[ryanrydell]

Of course there's a point system. If you just awarded me 500 points, that puts me at negative 6 million. You haven't been here nearly long enough to rack up the ill will that I have earned from some of these people.


touché sir

[CAVU45]

you've got to be kidding me. Lure people away? what is this...a religion?

Nope. But it is a forum for people to "gather". So why don't you join in instead of trying to spam your blog?




why so hard up on my blog? its not like i'm trying to take over the world or anything?

You're the one pimping your blog. I'm simply trying to figure out what's so damned special about it. Nothing from what I've seen.



are you seriously going to ask me to confirm "real world" experience to validate suggestions fora "fictional environment"??? :lol:?
Its effing "fictional"...what don't you people get about that? :loon:

Yes I am. You're posting information on real world gear and weapons. What makes you the authority on those things? Yes, zombies are fictional. But you aren't restricting yourself to what those fictional creatures may or may not do. Is that too hard to understand?


until its real, no one's expertise matters. All that matters is its validity in a "fictional realm" with "fictional beings" and "fictional use" of all the suggested gear. All of the stuff on this website is based off of information gained through "fictional stories" ie. movies, books, blogs, etc...so what does "real life" experience have anything to do with it?

I agree. No ones' expertise matters as it concerns zombies themselves. But you don't think that expertise matters when talking about real gear and real weapons regardlessof the scenario? Well okay then. I have a starship from which I'll fly down on my rocket pack after putting on my super duper zombie bite proof anti-gravity armor and duel wielding a pair of light sabers destroy all the zombies. I win!!! Hell, I think I'll start my own blog!!!

why don't we get down to the real question that everyone should be asked here...the only one that would create any kind of relativity...

has anyone here EVER killed a Zombie?
lived in a Zombie infested world?
seen a Zombie?

until someone answers yes to those questions...not one person has any more credential than the next.

First define "zombie". In the traditional, classical sense they do exist. Look into voodoo mysticism. Has anyone ever killed one? Possibly. Has anyone ever seen one? Obviously, the answer is yes.

So you want to come here for the sheer entertainment value? We all do as you pointed out. Has it ever occured to you that just maybe there are those among us who are entertained by busting your chops? Maybe there are those who enjoy talking about real world weapons and gear as it's used in real life? That's no less a valid reason than yours. So don't be surprised when folks call you on your knowledge of those weapons and gear.

[ryanrydell]

Nope. But it is a forum for people to "gather". So why don't you join in instead of trying to spam your blog? You're the one pimping your blog. I'm simply trying to figure out what's so damned special about it. Nothing from what I've seen.


from what you've see??? you said yourself you we're not gonna read it.
you are simply too uptight about my blog. you need to down a beer and get over it.


Yes I am. You're posting information on real world gear and weapons. What makes you the authority on those things?


never claimed authority...lets keep it relative here.


I agree. No ones' expertise matters as it concerns zombies themselves. But you don't think that expertise matters when talking about real gear and real weapons regardlessof the scenario? Well okay then. I have a starship from which I'll fly down on my rocket pack after putting on my super duper zombie bite proof anti-gravity armor and duel wielding a pair of light sabers destroy all the zombies. I win!!! Hell, I think I'll start my own blog!!!


more power to you. There's just as much chance of that happening as there is a Zombie Apocalypse...so, whatever.


First define "zombie". In the traditional, classical sense they do exist. Look into voodoo mysticism. Has anyone ever killed one? Possibly. Has anyone ever seen one? Obviously, the answer is yes.


OK...here is the defenition -

Zombie: the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.

I've read up on the old Haitian Vodou Myths...and that has NOTHING to do with this discussion. Unless of course they rose, threatened man kind, and someone posting on this site was a part of it all.

I'll bet a hundred chicken heads that nobody has EVER done this. If you want to challenge that, then i'll assume you as :loon:


So you want to come here for the sheer entertainment value? We all do as you pointed out. Has it ever occured to you that just maybe there are those among us who are entertained by busting your chops?


of course...:poo:, even i'm entertained by the banter.


Maybe there are those who enjoy talking about real world weapons and gear as it's used in real life? That's no less a valid reason than yours. So don't be surprised when folks call you on your knowledge of those weapons and gear.

OK then...lets just assume from here on out that I've shot and taken down every gun, wear all the gear, drive all the vehicles, and am trained in all weapons and survival techniques on my list.

Its not like anyone on a web forum would ever know the difference if I was lying.

[Bob]

In the immortal words of Wanda

Scorch
Pow!

[hotlead]

Ryanrydell, a few points for your consideration.

#1 Shoe laces can be made of just about anything that will fit in your eyelets, I've used conduit pull string, bailing wire, rope, chalk line, electrical wire, and flux core wire to replace broken laces at work before. I think zippers will be harder to improvise.

#2 The "+1" thing is a way of stating agreement, rather than a point system. For example, I'll say, "Jessica Alba is the best looking of the Fantastic Four characters", Matt says "+1, I wish she was on my softball team"

#3 I'm pretty sure most folks here know that a zombie outbreak is unlikely, when I talk about zombies, they go in place of whomever the bad guy du jour is. Zombies take the place of terrorists, North Koreans, Iranians, klansmen, communists, hippies, trial lawyers, oppressive dictators, Russians, gang bangers, the HR guy at work, out of control government, or who ever you want them to be. It's fun to talk about zombie uprisings and how you fight and prepare for them, but if you talk about these other possibilities, people will ask you where your tin foil hat is and if you've seen any black helicopters today.

#4 Referring people to your blog as a response to discussions here is bad form in my opinion. Telling folks you have a zombie-blog is fine, but using it in place of participation is no-good.

#5 You're right about online expertise, but you can still be honest about your experience, and that will stand out past the gunshop commando BS. I can say that I was a blackwater sniper hired by the Navy SEALs to pull all the missions they were too scared to do themselves, and no one will ever believe me. Or I can say that I'm a minute-of-paper plate shooter most of the time, the best group I ever made was five rounds in 3/4" @ 100yds with an iron sight .22 rifle that was made in 1934, that was the only time I ever did it and it was probably an accident because I haven't got that rifle under an inch since(probably just haven't found the right ammo yet:roll:, will try some Remmy green tags soon), which is much easier to believe.

[CAVU45]

from what you've see??? you said yourself you we're not gonna read it.
you are simply too uptight about my blog. you need to down a beer and get over it.

I actually read the first entry. That was before I posted I wouldn't read it? Not too hard to understand I think. I'm uptight? :roll: Is that your "professional opinion? Oh sorry. It's relative so yo have no authority.



never claimed authority...lets keep it relative here.

Of course you did from your very first post.

"are uneducated views of survival techniques getting on your nerves?
do you want a "real" look into what you need to stay human?

i've got your answer."

Your words, not mine. You have the answer! If you weren't claiming authority why even start the blog?

OK...here is the defenition -

Zombie: the body of a dead person given the semblance of life, but mute and will-less, by a supernatural force, usually for some evil purpose.



Why is your definition the only one allowed? It's relative, remember. So mine is just as valid. I'm sure there are others who have their own definition. So this "supernatural force" is the one you use on your blog?

OK then...lets just assume from here on out that I've shot and taken down every gun, wear all the gear, drive all the vehicles, and am trained in all weapons and survival techniques on my list.

Its not like anyone on a web forum would ever know the difference if I was lying.

If you haven't done all that and you're blogging as if you have, then you're either a liar or a fiction writer. But even good fiction writers do at least a bit of research on the subjects they write about.

Now you would be surprised at how easy it is to spot those who have experience with firearms and those who are simply "gunshop commandos" as Hotlead so eloquently pointed out. We've seen more than our share of them here. There are more than a few here who are very well versed in firearms and survival techniques.

[Redneck]

I looked over your blog, it was a waste of my time :(

[Bob]

I want Wanda to be my survival companion.
I would start a blog about it but it would be to racy for the young 'uns here.

Do not take this wrong, I am not intentionally insulting you I am just making statements.

I don't hate blogs or people who have them but.
This is why I don't have a blog...
Blogs are great for talking to yourself.
Blogs are internet filibusters.
Blogs are for people who cannot debate.
Blogs are for people who cannot play with others.

That being said maybe I am wrong, feel free to convince me otherwise.
I am keeping an open mind regarding blogs, that is why I have not participated in the flaying.

I must give you credit for something unusual prompted by your blog stuff though.
This may be the first time I have seen this on any of the forums I am on.
I have seen the Chihuahuas packs attempt to ravage one of the big dogs when he is down.
Hell I have been the old dog killing Chihuahuas on more than one occasion, when you are an opinionated old bastard like me you tend to make enemies.
The Orientals say a man is judged by his enemies more than by his friends.
Well if that is so I must be one bad azz son of a bitch.

I digress though, You sir have caused the BIG Dogs to join into a pack and go after you.

Many times people join forums expecting to be accepted as one of the guys.
Well it does not happen right away or at all for some people just like in real life.
You should expect it to take time for existing groups to get to know you.
On large forums each section can have it's own group of big dogs.
You should look around and find the forum / section that seems to be the best fit for you.
Then join the forum and participate in discussions.
Have your own opinion, don't parrot others, avoid posts with no meaning.
When you know something or want to share a thought speak up, don't be afraid.
The people that know me will tell you that I have no qualms about saying damn near anything.
But generally I know what I am talking about.
You don't need to be 500 years old like me to be an expert you just need to know what you are talking about and not try to pass yourself off as the ultimate sniper when all you have ever shot is a 22 rifle at your uncles farm 10 years ago.

Share your experience and opinions but don't try to be something you are not.
UNLESS you have a total online persona you use and if you do you need to stick to it no matter what, like our buddy Homelite...
It takes perseverance to not deviate, personally I don't have that much focus I find it easier to be myself.

Hey I just blogged didn't I? :evil::evil::evil:

[ryanrydell]

Ryanrydell, a few points for your consideration.


Awe...thanks for caring.

#1 Shoe laces can be made of just about anything that will fit in your eyelets, I've used conduit pull string, bailing wire, rope, chalk line, electrical wire, and flux core wire to replace broken laces at work before. I think zippers will be harder to improvise.


dude, how clumsy are you that you've broken you :poo: that much. damn.


#2 The "+1" thing is a way of stating agreement, rather than a point system. For example, I'll say, "Jessica Alba is the best looking of the Fantastic Four characters", Matt says "+1, I wish she was on my softball team"


I understand the +1...my comment was simply tongue in cheek. I will agree though, Jessica Alba would make a beautiful addition to my "can't make friends on allthingszombie.com" softball team.


#3 I'm pretty sure most folks here know that a zombie outbreak is unlikely, but if you talk about these other possibilities, people will ask you where your tin foil hat is and if you've seen any black helicopters today.


I see it the other way. If I talk about a possible homeland war and my brother talks about the inevitable zombie apocalypse, I am the sane one, although my brother is the one with an audience.


#4 Referring people to your blog as a response to discussions here is bad form in my opinion. Telling folks you have a zombie-blog is fine, but using it in place of participation is no-good.


I'm not going to reveal to this forum anything that I have not revealed yet on my Blog. I'm not seeing the problem with that. Of course, I will take a hit and do my darnedest to not do something that would upset the code with all you wonderfully tactful, educated and classy regulars on "allthingszombie.com"


#5 You're right about online expertise, but you can still be honest about your experience, and that will stand out past the gunshop commando BS. I can say that I was a blackwater sniper hired by the Navy SEALs to pull all the missions they were too scared to do themselves, and no one will ever believe me. Or I can say that I'm a minute-of-paper plate shooter most of the time, the best group I ever made was five rounds in 3/4" @ 100yds with an iron sight .22 rifle that was made in 1934, that was the only time I ever did it and it was probably an accident because I haven't got that rifle under an inch since(probably just haven't found the right ammo yet:roll:, will try some Remmy green tags soon), which is much easier to believe.

You are missing my point:x, which is this: IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I was thoroughly surprised to find out how serious you guys(gals) take this stuff.

While I'm getting eaten by all the "big dogs" (thanks Bob for the analogy) I might as well say this...Zombies are not real, the threat is not real, there has never been and there is never going to be an outbreak of Flesh Eating Zombies, the basis of all the info on this site is on fantasy. All the resources that are available on the subject are movies and books, each fictional. There is no toxic, supernatural, intergalactic, or scientific support to the idea of a Zombie Apocalypse and therefore, inclusion in the discussion of how to survive sad ZA requires no proof of real experience to discuss, and to spit fire at a guy that won't reveal his life experiences on a web forum talking about said zombies is simply ridiculous.

To those that must continue to down talk me for admitting the truth, I say this:

Get a life.

[ryanrydell]

BOB -

a blog, to me, is the following (not in any specific order):

artistic expression
time killer
another connection to friends
drives internet exposure
fun
documentation of thoughts
easier than writing by hand


And yes sir, in a way, you did just blog...it is by the way a "web log"

[mattifikation]

I don't think anyone's mad at you for not having experience fighting zombies. One person (1) called you on whether or not you have experience with the gear you were promoting.

As in, doing stuff with it that doesn't involve zombies. Like camping, hiking, etc. Then you flew off the handle for being asked for proof, when nobody asked you to prove anything. You were just asked to state some of your experiences using the gear you were promoting, since your opening post seemed to infer some kind of expertise with the gear, not with zombies.

If you don't want to share any real information here, then fine. Don't share it. But don't flip a fvcking tit because we asked you to, and don't expect us to leave our site to go look at yours every time we want to know something about you or your opinion. It probably isn't going to happen with the majority of us, and that's not something that most people would be so surprised about.

As for taking things seriously.

There are folks on this forum who have served in the military in actual combat. There are members here who are actual police officers. There are folks on this forum who have spent years training with, working with, and using guns, knives, and other gear/tools that would be considered "zombie gear."

In your first post on the forum, you spoke like a big shot. This is the first thing you said:

"are you tired of reading those short list of 5 things you need to survive Z-Day?
are uneducated views of survival techniques getting on your nerves?
do you want a "real" look into what you need to stay human?

i've got your answer."

Well, yes, yes, and yes. The problem is, which you might not have realized, is that you posted all that in an open forum to some people who are actually quite knowledgeable and experienced in real life survival techniques. Surely you can understand why those people would want to know what makes your insight "real" compared to theirs?

Imagine if you were a graphic designer all your life. You had your own business set up, you've got an impressive client list, and you have years of actual real world experience. Then one day, you join a forum that puts some kind of fictional entertainment twist on your experiences. After contributing to this forum for a good while, some newbie shows up and practically insinuates that the folks on your forum don't know what they're talking about, and that everyone should go read newbie's blog so they can learn how to do their job.

Just think on that for a bit, because that's kind of what you did to some of the older members here.

And no, I'm not saying me. I'm just looking at it from their point of view.

[ryanrydell]

the site is called allthingszombie.com

the forum we're in is called "undead survival and defense"

not "camping cops and combat". :roll:

if people wanna discuss their experiences in law enforcement, military, weapon use and tactical planning, there are hundreds of other sites to do that on...sites that need that kind of input. True enough, that input has validity here also, but in a site about zombies, anything goes, cause its about effing zombies.

Does Max Brooks have extensive training and experience in all the topics of his book...no. does that make his book any less great or any more wonderful...no. its good entertainment.

thats what this site is about...good entertainment, and if you don't like my view, just say so.

i find it odd that a "regular" in a web forum with 1000s of posts would ever be considered authority on "real life Zombie Survival Technique"...that statement even sounds weird.

[Bob]

It wasn't all that long ago that I was a noob here.
As I spent more time here and people go to know me the real me shone through more and more.
Some people I am sure long for the days before they ever saw my first post.
I understand needing opinions on everything.
Hell I had a fictitious business called Opinions Incorporated.
I would give advice for $10 per opinion.
Occasionally I would giver free advice, but alas people do not value free advice.
That is why lawyers and doctors charge so much for it, so you will value it.
An opinion is totally worthless though if you have no idea what you are talking about.

I have heard people state and they fully believed it, that if you get shot in the hand with a 1911 chambered in 45acp it would;
A. Tear your arm off
B. Dislocate your shoulder
C. Spin you around\
D. Rupture your heart due to rapid blood movement in the wrong direction
False All False!
Trust me none of the above are true.

I am willing to offer my opinion on this whole debacle for the paltry sum of $10 American.
Contact me for payment information.

There are people here who as Matt said have actually been there and done that.
Some wore this countries flag on their shoulder and some wore no flag.
They know who they are and have over time come to know each other and value the others opinion on things that matter and things that don't.
This is something new in human history.
Friends who have never met physically but whose relationships transcend acquaintances.
The closest to this historically are pen pals.

I am rambling again, the point I intended to make is there are a group of guys here who fall into that category.
To be accepted as one of them takes a bit of time and getting to know each other.
Some people just aren't a good fit and that's ok, no one picks on them.
They can come in and talk all their weird mall ninja stuff without fear of being flayed.
It happens on a regular basis we are used to it.
One should just not push his agenda and expect it to be accepted.

I describe myself as an old Doberman who spends most of his time napping on the porch.
He wakes up once in a while to bark at the mailman or terrorize the UPS guy but by and large he just naps in the shade.
However if you come on his porch and assume an aggressive posture well you may just find out how hard an old dog can bite.
I think this is an apt description of several of us here.

If your blog is entertainment for you then I fully understand.
But this is a discussion forum.
I am on other forums and seldom mention them.
It seems to me that you were / are fishing for people to come read your blog.
I understand that as well, with no readers you might as well type in Word or Notepad.
I just don't think a forum is where you will find your primary audience, people come here to interact not just read someone else's opinion.

It's tough to find an audience period.

Heres your free advice from Opinions Inc.
Spend some time establishing your bonafides.

[CAVU45]

You are missing my point:x, which is this: IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I was thoroughly surprised to find out how serious you guys(gals) take this stuff.

While I'm getting eaten by all the "big dogs" (thanks Bob for the analogy) I might as well say this...Zombies are not real, the threat is not real, there has never been and there is never going to be an outbreak of Flesh Eating Zombies, the basis of all the info on this site is on fantasy. All the resources that are available on the subject are movies and books, each fictional. There is no toxic, supernatural, intergalactic, or scientific support to the idea of a Zombie Apocalypse and therefore, inclusion in the discussion of how to survive sad ZA requires no proof of real experience to discuss, and to spit fire at a guy that won't reveal his life experiences on a web forum talking about said zombies is simply ridiculous.

To those that must continue to down talk me for admitting the truth, I say this:

Get a life.

If it doesn't matter, then why bother? If it really does matter so little then it shouldn't be worth your time. It obviously does to some degree or you wouldn't be here arguing that it doesn't matter. A bit of a contradiction I believe.

Yes, we all know that zombies and all other supernatural creatures do not exist. I don't believe anyone here has stated otherwise. But
the weapons and gear are real and that's what many of us do take seriously. It doesn't matter if the scenario is possible or not. If a member posts a picture of himself holding his "zombie killer" gun, pointing it at the camera with his finger on the trigger are you going to tell me that it doesn't matter? And if he happens to pull the trigger on that gun that he's certain is unloaded, wounding the cameraperson, then I suppose it doesn't matter either because it's all a friggin' fantasy, right?:loon: This may come as a shock, but there are people who read things on the internet from self avowed "experts" and take it as gospel. There are people who actually practice gun handling and survival techniques and use forums such as this to talk about that information as well as a shared enthusiasm for the zombie genre.

I assure you that I at least, and I'm sure others here, have a very good and fulfilling life. As for your truth Captain Obvious, what truth have you written here? That zombies don't exist? :doh: I think we all know that. What other truth have you written here? None.

[kiltedninja]

If it doesn't matter, then why bother? If it really does matter so little then it shouldn't be worth your time. It obviously does to some degree or you wouldn't be here arguing that it doesn't matter. A bit of a contradiction I believe.

Yes, we all know that zombies and all other supernatural creatures do not exist. I don't believe anyone here has stated otherwise. But
the weapons and gear are real and that's what many of us do take seriously. It doesn't matter if the scenario is possible or not. If a member posts a picture of himself holding his "zombie killer" gun, pointing it at the camera with his finger on the trigger are you going to tell me that it doesn't matter? And if he happens to pull the trigger on that gun that he's certain is unloaded, wounding the cameraperson, then I suppose it doesn't matter either because it's all a friggin' fantasy, right?:loon: This may come as a shock, but there are people who read things on the internet from self avowed "experts" and take it as gospel. There are people who actually practice gun handling and survival techniques and use forums such as this to talk about that information as well as a shared enthusiasm for the zombie genre.

I assure you that I at least, and I'm sure others here, have a very good and fulfilling life. As for your truth Captain Obvious, what truth have you written here? That zombies don't exist? :doh: I think we all know that. What other truth have you written here? None.

Hey hey hey, I'm Captain Obvious, not him. :lol:

Anyway, Cav is right, if it doesn't matter so much, why do you make such a big deal about it not mattering? And Haiti isn't the only place where voodoo is practiced. Nor the largest. West African voodoo and Louisiana Voodoo are also two common ones. I haven't read your blog, but when you claim to have experience that you don't, it tends to make a lot of people angry. I don't speak of doing anything I haven't. I practice martial arts, explore, and when my dad was in country we'd shoot his guns. Am I an expert at any of these things? No, but when someone claims to be a martial arts badass because they practiced at the local Mcdojo for two years, that tends to piss me off.

Claiming to be an expert and sharing your teachings, when you're not an expert has gotten quite a few people hurt. I'm not saying this will be one of those situations, since zombies are a fictional thing, but like it's been said before, the gear you're talking about isn't.

[ryanrydell]

If it doesn't matter, then why bother? If it really does matter so little then it shouldn't be worth your time. It obviously does to some degree or you wouldn't be here arguing that it doesn't matter. A bit of a contradiction I believe.

no...just a misinterpretation of what i'm saying.

do I have to make a barney cartoon for you to get this????

I enjoy writing about and reading about zombies very much...for the entertainment value...that is what matters to me.

asking me to explain any "expertise" or "experience" or "authority" is pointless for 2 reasons...1-we are on a web forum, so there is no way to confirm or deny resulting claims. 2-its a question to substantiate claims about "zombie survival and defense" which is like asking someone to show their Star Wars PHD.

please, don't use your wrong interpretation of my words as basis for your argument against me. that's just obtuse.



Yes, we all know that zombies and all other supernatural creatures do not exist. I don't believe anyone here has stated otherwise. But
the weapons and gear are real and that's what many of us do take seriously. It doesn't matter if the scenario is possible or not. If a member posts a picture of himself holding his "zombie killer" gun, pointing it at the camera with his finger on the trigger are you going to tell me that it doesn't matter? And if he happens to pull the trigger on that gun that he's certain is unloaded, wounding the cameraperson, then I suppose it doesn't matter either because it's all a friggin' fantasy, right?:loon: This may come as a shock, but there are people who read things on the internet from self avowed "experts" and take it as gospel. There are people who actually practice gun handling and survival techniques and use forums such as this to talk about that information as well as a shared enthusiasm for the zombie genre.


you're really digging here and coming off point. a guy shooting his camera man on accident??? really, is that where you are bringing this? :roll:


I assure you that I at least, and I'm sure others here, have a very good and fulfilling life. As for your truth Captain Obvious, what truth have you written here? That zombies don't exist? :doh: I think we all know that. What other truth have you written here? None.

1+1=2
the earth is round
Obama isn't Caucasian
Bugs Bunny is a cartoon

does that suffice for enough truth to meet the needs of the all knowing CAVU45???

I've had more relevant and intriguing debate with my 8 year old than what you've offered me thus far. Please pick it up a notch for both our sake.

[kiltedninja]

Obama's mother was Caucasian, which makes him half Caucasian. Almost got that one.

Technically, Bugs Bunny is a rabbit. He's a character in a cartoon though. So far you have two halves of two different truths, almost there.

Can't deny the earth is round.

In certain situations 1+1=3. or 4, and if you watch reality TV, you may have seen John and Kate+8. At which point I'm sure you've realized that 1+1 doesn't always = 2.:lol:

[ryanrydell]

Hey hey hey, I'm Captain Obvious, not him. :lol:

Anyway, Cav is right, if it doesn't matter so much, why do you make such a big deal about it not mattering?


read above post


I haven't read your blog, but when you claim to have experience that you don't, it tends to make a lot of people angry. I don't speak of doing anything I haven't. I practice martial arts, explore, and when my dad was in country we'd shoot his guns. Am I an expert at any of these things? No, but when someone claims to be a martial arts badass because they practiced at the local Mcdojo for two years, that tends to piss me off.

Claiming to be an expert and sharing your teachings, when you're not an expert has gotten quite a few people hurt. I'm not saying this will be one of those situations, since zombies are a fictional thing, but like it's been said before, the gear you're talking about isn't.

I've never claimed any expertise...i've denied the request for such, claiming the flimsy stature of web forums as a terrible conduit for such evidence.

I did however make reference to other unnamed survival lists as a basic fishing technique to build exposure of my list (which really peeved a few). and i must say...although not the expected result, with as much discussion its spawned, it was a success.

[kiltedninja]

Okay. As long as we're clear on that, and the fact that sometimes you need to just take your lumps and move on, you're okay with me.

P.S.- I'm not a big dog yet, but I'm shaping up to be one when I'm full grown.

[ryanrydell]

Obama's mother was Caucasian, which makes him half Caucasian. Almost got that one.

Technically, Bugs Bunny is a rabbit. He's a character in a cartoon though. So far you have two halves of two different truths, almost there.

Can't deny the earth is round.

In certain situations 1+1=3. or 4, and if you watch reality TV, you may have seen John and Kate+8. At which point I'm sure you've realized that 1+1 doesn't always = 2.:lol:

Obama still isn't Caucasian (half Caucasian isn't Caucasian...its half)
technically, bugs bunny is a cartoon
name me one situation where 1+1= anything other than 2

Humorous post...yes. Consistent with the other weird :poo: views that i've seen here thus far...hell yes.

[ryanrydell]

Okay. As long as we're clear on that, and the fact that sometimes you need to just take your lumps and move on, you're okay with me.

P.S.- I'm not a big dog yet, but I'm shaping up to be one when I'm full grown.

agreed. :drinking:

[kiltedninja]

Obama still isn't Caucasian (half Caucasian isn't Caucasian...its half)
technically, bugs bunny is a cartoon
name me one situation where 1+1= anything other than 2

Humorous post...yes. Consistent with the other weird :poo: views that i've seen here thus far...hell yes.

Have you ever heard of procreation?

1 man + 1 woman = 3 people.

[ryanrydell]

Have you ever heard of procreation?

1 man + 1 woman = 3 people.

heres another...

1 man + 2 woman = 1 hell of a good time.

[kiltedninja]

See? you're catching on. It's not about seriously focusing on the rules of the math here, but rather the numbers you use for the math. (see if you can figure that one out, it's related to everything that's been going on here)

[hotlead]

Awe...thanks for caring.


dude, how clumsy are you that you've broken you :poo: that much. damn.



I understand the +1...my comment was simply tongue in cheek. I will agree though, Jessica Alba would make a beautiful addition to my "can't make friends on allthingszombie.com" softball team.



I see it the other way. If I talk about a possible homeland war and my brother talks about the inevitable zombie apocalypse, I am the sane one, although my brother is the one with an audience.



I'm not going to reveal to this forum anything that I have not revealed yet on my Blog. I'm not seeing the problem with that. Of course, I will take a hit and do my darnedest to not do something that would upset the code with all you wonderfully tactful, educated and classy regulars on "allthingszombie.com"



You are missing my point:x, which is this: IT DOESN'T MATTER.

I was thoroughly surprised to find out how serious you guys(gals) take this stuff.

While I'm getting eaten by all the "big dogs" (thanks Bob for the analogy) I might as well say this...Zombies are not real, the threat is not real, there has never been and there is never going to be an outbreak of Flesh Eating Zombies, the basis of all the info on this site is on fantasy. All the resources that are available on the subject are movies and books, each fictional. There is no toxic, supernatural, intergalactic, or scientific support to the idea of a Zombie Apocalypse and therefore, inclusion in the discussion of how to survive sad ZA requires no proof of real experience to discuss, and to spit fire at a guy that won't reveal his life experiences on a web forum talking about said zombies is simply ridiculous.

To those that must continue to down talk me for admitting the truth, I say this:

Get a life.

I was being sincere with you, but you want to be a dickhead, that's fine, your choice.

I've broken lots of shoelaces over the course of being a welder/fabricator for the last twelve years, grinding sparks and dingleberries(balls of molten steel) fly all over and drop on everything, including my boots and laces. A few of them get under your hood and leathers no matter how well you cover yourself, my work clothes are full of little holes, it has nothing to do with clumsiness. Instead of an intelligent counter arguement for improvising zippers in the field, you made a personal insult implying that I'm an unsafe tradesman. This tells me you are weak in your position and we can't have meaningfull debate with you, as you'll fall back on personal attacks when confronted with difficult opposition, just like politicians do to each other.

You also keep on saying that none of this matters because zombies don't exist, you're right, they don't exist. My counter to this was that many folks use zombies as a subject focus for discussions in survival and preparedness, and that they don't really believe in zombies, but in your response you left that part out when quoting me.

I told myself I'd be nicer to the FNGs, and we can still be cool, but it's up to you.

[ryanrydell]

hotlead,

nothing personal was meant by my sarcastic remark about clumsiness.

I'm not sure I like the term FNG, but if you're down, I'll scream, you scream, we'll both scream for Ice cream.

:hug:

[hotlead]

I like ice cream with stuff in it, pieces of chocolate, nuts, fudge, fruit and stuff.

Marshmallows have no business in ice cream, in my opinion.

[ryanrydell]

but can you find a place for marshmallows in your survival gear?

[Redneck]

Obama still isn't Caucasian (half Caucasian isn't Caucasian...its half)
technically, bugs bunny is a cartoon
name me one situation where 1+1= anything other than 2

Humorous post...yes. Consistent with the other weird :poo: views that i've seen here thus far...hell yes.

1+1 can also be looked at as 11.

As for experience.
Tell me who has experience making a fire.
#1 "You take a match, and you light wood with it, then add lots more wood."
#2 "First you find your tinder and small fuel, make a nest out of the tinder and light it in the middle, then add some small fuel slowly, after you get the fire going you can add bigger fuel"

[hotlead]

but can you find a place for marshmallows in your survival gear?

Nope.

filler, filler, filler, filler.

[CAVU45]

no...just a misinterpretation of what i'm saying.

do I have to make a barney cartoon for you to get this????

You already have. It's called your blog.


asking me to explain any "expertise" or "experience" or "authority" is pointless for 2 reasons...1-we are on a web forum, so there is no way to confirm or deny resulting claims. 2-its a question to substantiate claims about "zombie survival and defense" which is like asking someone to show their Star Wars PHD.

Ever seen a movie or read a book where something you just know is impossible happens in what's supposed to be a believable setting? Maybe the hero flies a B-747 upside down or hits the bag of explosives with his little snubnose revolver from 100 yards away. Of course it's only fictional, so what doees it matter? Except it takes away not only from the believability of the scene but ruins the enjoyment of the entire movie or book. That's one reason why it matters whether the equipment being referenced is used properly. Secondly, it pisses off those who really know how it should be used and even can set a precedent for the future actions of people outside the medium. Life all too often imitates art in these days and all too often someone attempts to imitate that which they've read about or seen to devastating results. Thirdly, many people actually use the fictional setting of a zombie apocalypse to talk about their real world preparations for real world disasters. Many people here actually do have a go-bag and a ready supply of food and even ammunition because they know that any "zombie plan" can and does have real world applications or they use their real world disaster plans to make a fictional "zombie plan". So, is it just entertainment?

please, don't use your wrong interpretation of my words as basis for your argument against me. that's just obtuse.????

I don't think I've misinterpreted anything you've written. If I have then I apologise for it.


1+1=2
the earth is round
Obama isn't Caucasian
Bugs Bunny is a cartoon

does that suffice for enough truth to meet the needs of the all knowing CAVU45???


1+1 can equal 3 as has been pointed out already.
The earth is actually more of an oblate spheroid or an oblate ellipsoid.
Obama is half caucasian.
Bugs Bunny is a cartoon rabbit. All cartoons are not Bugs.

Never said I was omniscient, but thanks anyway.

[ryanrydell]

a rose is a flower, but not all flowers are a rose. so what?

I think it better, for the sake of this thread, to simply give the argument a rest.

is it not better to debate what rifle is better? rather than to continually argue over my blog?

I would say yes...it is better, and allow me to be the first to get off my soap box with the following:

An explanation of the holsters from my last post on the subject:

The guns carried in each would be -

Hip Holster - Springfield 9mm XDM
Shoulder Holster - Springfield 1911 5" SS Loaded Combat
Ankle Holster - 38 Special

[mattifikation]

Hip Holster - Springfield 9mm XDM



Maybe we can get along.

[unnamedbaby77]

I have a guy down the strret that picked up an XD, and he has had not one mag fired without a jam ..must have got a lemon I guess :P

[CAVU45]

An explanation of the holsters from my last post on the subject:[/U]

The guns carried in each would be -

Hip Holster - Springfield 9mm XDM
Shoulder Holster - Springfield 1911 5" SS Loaded Combat
Ankle Holster - 38 Special

Hip holster? Which do you prefer? IWB, pancake, paddle or belt slide? Strong side, crossdraw, or SOB? Straight or FBI cant? Thumbreak or open? I suppose alot depends on the gear you're wearing. Shoulder rigs are nice, but unless the clothing is cut for one it'll tend to stick out. Again, much depends on the gear being worn. personbally, I enver had much use for ankle holsters. Much too uncomfortable to me. Weapons choices are nice. One can never go wrong with the venerable 1911.

[ryanrydell]

I posted that wrong. I said hip holster when thinking something else.

Strong side (right for me), snap lock, drop leg holster with mag slot.

something like this:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/rrydellmail/legholster.jpg

[Bob]

Huck

Perhaps he is limp wristing it.
Have you been shooting with him?

[CAVU45]

I posted that wrong. I said hip holster when thinking something else.

Strong side (right for me), snap lock, drop leg holster with mag slot.

something like this:

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m240/rrydellmail/legholster.jpg

Nice rig! I'd considered getting an Xd. Still might. I just never cared much for plastic guns. My wife owns a Ruger P89 I've been trying to talk her into trading for years.

[Dark Gale]

This might be a stupid question, but I was curious about what you would do in this case.

Say you have a Glock, 1911, or whatever pistol it is that you have. And while you're wandering the city you come across the same pistol, perfect condition, and fully loaded. Would you take that pistol to? Or would you just take the magazine from it and leave the pistol behind because you already have one? Obviously it would add to your gear, adding weight and taking away space for something else, but I was curious as to who would actually take the pistol or just the magazine.

[Redneck]

I would take the pistol.
I could fire an extra mag, without reloading*, and if for some reason I lose one, I still have a backup to use my mags with.


*Empty pistol #1, reholster, drew pistol #2

[CAVU45]

This might be a stupid question, but I was curious about what you would do in this case.

Say you have a Glock, 1911, or whatever pistol it is that you have. And while you're wandering the city you come across the same pistol, perfect condition, and fully loaded. Would you take that pistol to? Or would you just take the magazine from it and leave the pistol behind because you already have one? Obviously it would add to your gear, adding weight and taking away space for something else, but I was curious as to who would actually take the pistol or just the magazine.

I'd take the pistol. If nothing else it could be used for spare parts to keep the original in my possesion running.

[Bob]

Take the pistol.
Spare parts or trade value later on.

[Onslaught]

read the full post on my blog and explanations will be on each



that answer will be revealed when I post my 'WEAPONS: GUNS' list on my blog. :naughty:



You mean, have I ever worn jeans, tennis shoes, leather jacket, a t-shirt, a bandanna, a watch, aviators and gloves???? :loon:

Yes, I have...that's easy enough to assume...

concerning my entire "yet to be posted" list of gear:

I would say yes, but that wouldn't matter, because you would have to take my word for it. That's the pleasure of the internet. I could claim to be a millionaire martial artist, but a claim on a web forum is nothing more than a barren claim. always has been, always will be.

I could say no, but that wouldn't matter either because no one on this site has ever lived through a Zombie Apocalypse...therefore, every one of our suggestions is "theory", whether or not based on current experience, its had no field trial in an undead world and hence, will always be "theory" until it does. Some theories are better than others, based upon the theory itself...

since when was a theory's validity subject to its originator's credentials???

If you don't get what I'm trying to say...here it is in plain words:

it doesn't matter either way.

I know my experience, and that's all that matters. In terms of suggested survival gear, let the gear speak for itself, an ankle holster is an ankle holster whether or not the person recommending it has worn it.

But to be more forward with you...yes, i have worn an ankle holster. (its entirely up to you if you choose to believe me)

I've said this before. On this topic, personal preference will ALWAYS win over.

I'm not going to read your blog.

Furthermore, the idea of carrying 3 separate pistols (one on your ankle) just reeks of mall ninja.

Get a real gun, get a long gun.

I agree that keeping it fast and light is a good idea, but then you bog yourself down with three separate jostling, jangling lumps of metal, plus ammo for each (very likely in propietary loading systems/calibers). Ask anyone who wears a BUG, 99% of them don't wear ankle holsters.

[Hunk]

I'd take the pistol. If nothing else it could be used for spare parts to keep the original in my possesion running.

yeah id have to agree...it would be a bitch to have to leave behind a perfectly good twin to your reguler pistol

[kiltedninja]

Yeah I'd definitely take it.

[Redneck]

I'm not going to read your blog.

Furthermore, the idea of carrying 3 separate pistols (one on your ankle) just reeks of mall ninja.

Get a real gun, get a long gun.

I agree that keeping it fast and light is a good idea, but then you bog yourself down with three separate jostling, jangling lumps of metal, plus ammo for each (very likely in propietary loading systems/calibers). Ask anyone who wears a BUG, 99% of them don't wear ankle holsters.

I can see using an ankle holster, when dealing with other survivors, take off your thigh rig, and add the ankle.

Thigh Holster - 9mm
Shoulder Holster - .22
Ankle Holster - 9mm

[Bob]

Huck
I bet he is not locking his wrist and some of the recoil impulse is being absorbed.

[unnamedbaby77]

Indeed or as I said he just got a lemon..it sux but it happens.

In my searches for a report of an H&K USP failure I found one that exploded in a guys hand....granted that was the only legitimate failure I have found but it does happen .

[Bob]

Any gun can have a KB

[unnamedbaby77]

Indeed.
I have found that shooter error can be the biggest problem in most cases...not all but most.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, machines have accidents, but most often it's because someone didn't do something right.

[unnamedbaby77]

AMEN! cars dont crash themselves ..

As for gear:
I am thinking of making a cruciform/triangle dagger tonight....how do you guys feel about those for Romeo Lima Foxtrot's?

[Bob]

Back when dirt was new I made a couple of those out of files.
I had a number of triangular files and files are what the old timers would sometimes make knives out of.

I tried it a couple of different ways and the results varied.
It was an interesting project that would probably have turned out better if I had better tools.
As it was I wound up with daggers I could not get a handle on that satisfied me.

The two things that seem to suffer on home made knives are the handles and sheathes.

For the record based on a post you made somewhere else.
I hate rat tail tangs and will not knowingly buy a knife with one.
I had to many bad experiences with them when I was young.
Just the other day I saw a huge sword in a pawn shop with a screwed up grip and a rat tail tang typical...

[unnamedbaby77]

agreed, 80% of them are garbage but a rat tail tang can actually be a very strong style(most high quality European swords have them and always have)...its just a matter of being made right...

Keep in mind Gerber mark II's ALL have inch long rat tails as well as the mark I's, Glock field knives and many more solid popular knives

If I am correct you are referring to the crappy rod type and welded rat tails that I have ALWAYS had issues with.

As for the knives I am making this one out of square bar-stock but I have made MANY a knife out of files over the years and they make great blades because of the super-hard steel and almost-knife shape alot of them have .

And yes making handles and sheathes is a big issue and makes up more of the work than people think...you cant get me to make a leather sheath for under 40 ducks(unless its small or somehow un-stitched ) but handles and sheaths make up a HUGE percentage of the knife's utility.

I am making the handle out of this one out of an old black rubber ratchet handle that I have been saving for the right blade because I always liked the texture and grip so much .....here's hoping it works!

[kiltedninja]

Crappy blades tend more to be made out of the wrong steel than just having a bad tang. That's what I've noticed.

[zbuddy]

Unnamed, may I ask why you got rid of your USP? I was seriously considering getting one of those, if I could find a price range that I was looking for. I am all bent out of shape between 9x19 and .45ACP.

[CAVU45]

Unnamed, may I ask why you got rid of your USP? I was seriously considering getting one of those, if I could find a price range that I was looking for. I am all bent out of shape between 9x19 and .45ACP.

In many ways it simply comes down to preference. The 9mm round is an adequate self defense round and you'd be well served with it I think. I prefer the.45acp myself. But I do carry guns that use both rounds. My summer carry is a Sccy CXP-1 compact in 9mm. Sometimes I'll carry my Taurus PT945, but it's mostly kept for winter carry. One thing to consider, especially when looking for a carry gun, is not just the caliber but the guns' size. Compact guns in large calibers, especially with polymer frames, will have decidely more recoil than a full size gun in the same caliber. That's why I chose the Sccy in 9mm. Even a steel framed compact like the Kimber will be harder to control in .45acp than in 9mm.

Here's where the gear part comes in; method of carry will depend alot on your choice. Will you be carrying strong side, weak side, or SOB? Shoulder rig or belt? I prefer strong side in a leather holster. But that can change depending on curcumstances. Am I going ot be driving for a long time? I go for crossdraw then. It can be difficult to draw from a strongside holster without getting tangled in the seat belt.

[unnamedbaby77]

I actually traded my USP in ... but look around they are fairly popular and can be found most everywhere that sells side arms

[MorganaLeFaye]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/MorganaLeFaye-2008/healthpackRBshot.jpg?t=1265235670

[zbuddy]

Thanks for the info Cav. You also brought up a great point with driving, that completely slipped my mind. Before reading that I was like "Why in the hell would I want weak side?" I'd use strongside, for sure. I may just go ahead and get a full-size in .45ACP. I just don't want to spread the ammo around too much. I would prefer to try and keep a common caliber between my firearms if at all possible.

[Bob]

If you won't get locked up for it in your state
consider a vehicle mounted holster.
I have seen pictures of them mounted to the door and console.
Under dash might be a good way to go too.

There are holsters out there designed to be mounted.
Fobus makes one and so does grassburr

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4535/grassburrholsterpantry3.jpg (http://img163.imageshack.us/i/grassburrholsterpantry3.jpg/)

http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4189/grassburrholstermount35.jpg (http://img717.imageshack.us/i/grassburrholstermount35.jpg/)

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/543/grassburrholstertruck35.jpg (http://img716.imageshack.us/i/grassburrholstertruck35.jpg/)

http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5669/carbinetruckgun3574651.jpg (http://img692.imageshack.us/i/carbinetruckgun3574651.jpg/)

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/7495/135761d1255041098whereh.jpg (http://img237.imageshack.us/i/135761d1255041098whereh.jpg/)

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7202/200804190003s3955207.jpg (http://img138.imageshack.us/i/200804190003s3955207.jpg/)

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3303/200804190002s3980488.jpg (http://img706.imageshack.us/i/200804190002s3980488.jpg/)

http://www.chuckhawks.com/grassburr_holster.htm

[CAVU45]

Good point Bob. Desantis/Kingston makes a car seat holster also. It would allow you to use a regular strong side carry and have a place to place your gun within easy reach while driving. The Desantis rig uses a belt that places the gun between your knees.

http://www.adjunct.diodon349.com/Attack_on_USA/kingston_car_seat_holster.htm

I'd considered getting this to put on my chair when I have to use it.

[zbuddy]

Don't lie Bob, those were all your own pictures! I would never do anything like that in California, commrade. I would probably get into trouble for having a sharpened chopstick in my trunk.

All of the sporting good stores here have a very limited supply of rigs. This weekend I am going to head up north a bit to a local gunshop, see what I can find.

[homelitexl]

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii152/MorganaLeFaye-2008/healthpackRBshot.jpg?t=1265235670

if that was a beer and a sawd off shotgun id be right behind u

[kiltedninja]

Hell if it were a Glock and a Mountain Dew I'd be there with you.

[hotlead]

I would never do anything like that in California, commrade. I would probably get into trouble for having a sharpened chopstick in my trunk.

You're good to go with most of those, you can open carry here, it just has to be unloaded. Have the mag handy, and you're way ahead of 99.9% of the state.

Bob, all I can think about is that poor little Carbine swingin' and bangin' around behind the seat. That poor lil' guy should have a nice padded case to sit in, probably gets all cold and lonely out in the truck at night, all dark and scary n' stuff.............................

[Bob]

Those are not pictures of my stuff.
They are just random internet finds.


Hotlead
If that was mine it would be an AK back there.
Nice carbines are worth to much to beat up like that.

[kiltedninja]

I would probably still have at least a decent amount of padding on the AK. Keep it warm at night.

[Dark Gale]

What's everyone's opinion on those Neoprene face masks?

http://exo-pro.com/images/products/detail/EFFNBLACKL.1.gif

[Redneck]

I have one that only covers the face.
Its great in the cold, stops the wind good.
But if its not really cold out, it will get a little to warm. But thats no big deal.
I would give mine about a 8/10, and if it covered the neck, like that one, a 9/10.

You gotta link for the ones that cover the neck?

[Bob]

As I have no idea where to post this I am going to stick it here.

If you have or happen to come into a shotgun that the stock is in poor condition consider coating it with bed liner.
I bought a can of bed liner from an Autoparts store and coated the metal on a 22 rifle and the stock on an 870 shotgun.
I like the way it turned out.
You will want to allow a couple of weeks for it to cure.

This stuff is thick so it will fill in deep scratches.

[ZackWelder]

Cool tip, Bob.

The Neoprene face mask is invaluable if traveling through cold conditions outdoors. I'm unsure what kind of protection it would provide against zombies, however. I wouldn't think it would be much. The picture you posted has breathing, speaking, and hearing holes, which is pretty important in a mask. Mine has neither of those things and it's pretty irritating.

[Redneck]

Mine have breathing, but not hearing.
I got it years ago to play "ninja". lmao

[kiltedninja]

I have both a ski-mask and a neoprene one. My friend gave me both of them. I'd probably bring both of them, and my keffiyeh.