Gear

[Darkness]

Answer this with ony a 'yes' or a 'no' with a correction - so I don't get yelled at again.

Is that a Sig?

"The signiture? Like the picture at the bottom of all my posts is my sig - signiture?" :)

[ERiKDude]

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog1.jpg
72 hour BOB

Believe it or not, all of this fits in that tiny pack (sans the FAK, radio, and ropes.)
Right to left, left to right, right to left.
1. Backpack
2. Water
3. OSHA approved FAK (boo-boo kit, no trauma)
4. Emergency Radio
5. Utility Rope (non-climbing)
6. 550 cord
7. Sack of clothes and toiletries
8. Some food
9. Signal mirror
10. Flint and striker
11. Signal whistle
12. E-blanket
13. CR123 battery packs
14. Clip on LED light
15. P-38
16. Tweezers
17. Pocket razor
18. Pry bar
19. Eating utensil
20. Pocketknife
21. Flashlight
22. AA battery packs
23. Shears
24. Trauma bandage
25. 100mph
26. Binoculars

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog4.jpg
One for each member of the family. Identical contents.

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog2.jpg
I like it light and simple.

http://www.nutwoodrocks.com/bog3.jpg
One stays in the vehicle, one goes with me.


i'm gonna go ahead and say you win

[CityOfChicago]

"The signiture? Like the picture at the bottom of all my posts is my sig - signiture?" :)

Well, don't try and swallow my soul for this, but no. The Sig pistol in the paddle holster.

[J Dub]

hard to tell but it kinda looks like a 220

that 72 bob looks good to go. i'd need a bit more hydration but its far better than most.

[Dave Of The Dead]

damn... Really, I'm just speechless.

[steve2071]

Answer this with ony a 'yes' or a 'no' with a correction - so I don't get yelled at again.

Is that a Sig?

Yes. 229 :)

Have you guys seen the BOB's and gear at Zombie Sqaud? They put mine's to shame! :lol:

[CityOfChicago]

Yes. 229 :)

Have you guys seen the BOB's and gear at Zombie Sqaud? They put mine's to shame! :lol:

Sweet. My duty weapon is the 220.

[mattifikation]

It needs a Leatherman. :drool:

[Bob]

I have a 220 and a 226, they are ok but I like my Glocks better.
At least you have a good round.
I carry 230 grain HST in mine.

[S Y S T E M]

Nothing. If a zombie outbreak where to happen it would be sorted out swiftly and easily.

Meh, not into roleplay stuff.

[hotlead]

I'd drop the OSHA boo-boo kit as a whole, take the few useful things out of it and put 'em in a 1qt ziplock freezer bag.

Some of the stuff that comes in those is halfway junk and the rest is totally useless. The only things you'd want out of that are the tube of triple-antibiotic, the gauze pads and roll, and a few tongue depressors.

Go to your local pharmacy and get the stuff you're really gonna need, athletic tape, moleskin, little stainless tweezers, good fabric bandaids, some more gauze pads and rolls, a few extra small tampons(the corpsman in my Brothers unit used them in Iraq and told everyone to carry some, they plug bullet hole, are sterile, and have a string so the surgeons can remove them easy, my Brother tells me they did the job), another tube of boo-boo jelly, a few lighters, and a bottle of advil and midol, and put it all in with the stuff you kept from the OSHA kit.

When I get those cheezy first aid kits issued to me at work, I keep the box and get rid of everything else. I put a few rolls of gauze, a roll of duct tape, a roll of electrical tape, and a bottle of peroxide in the box. That makes bandaids that'll make it till the end of the day, or the end of the week.

[steve2071]

Thanks for the suggestions. Upon looking inside the case again, I realize there is absolutely no lifesaving material inside the box. If I'm going to carry something, I may as well carry the good stuff. I've got my IFAK on my blow-out pouch on my plate carrier, but there's only enough supplies for one person.

I will probably start building another bag with emergency medicine in mind.

[Bob]

Back in the day we patched many a cut finger with electrical tape.
Sometimes we would put a band aid on first but generally just the tape.
The tape will be there long after a band aid would have fallen off.

[hotlead]

As a suggestion, you may want to make your medical bags a different color from the rest of your gear.

In my house, all individual and large first aid kits are in coyote brown pockets, bags, or cases, the rest of our junk is OD or some cammie pattern, only the first aid stuff is in solid coyote colored gear so it's easily recognized by everyone.

It's worked for me so far, anyway.

[Dave Of The Dead]

As a suggestion, you may want to make your medical bags a different color from the rest of your gear.

In my house, all individual and large first aid kits are in coyote brown pockets, bags, or cases, the rest of our junk is OD or some cammie pattern, only the first aid stuff is in solid coyote colored gear so it's easily recognized by everyone.

It's worked for me so far, anyway.

Mine are royal blue while everything else is black or brown. Yeah, it works pretty well.

About the first aid kits being half crap and half almost crap, I can completely relate. I bought a couple for my BOB and was very disappointed. So I made my own.
Bondage Tape! Only sticks to itself so you can apply pressure without the pain of glue on your wound. You may feel uncomfortable buying it, but its worth it.
Lots and lots of gauze!
Duct Tape/ electrical tape
needle and dental floss (not mint)
Big ass bottle of peroxide
Medical Scissors and tweezers

Thats all I have so far, if anything else comes to mind I'll come back to it

[homelitexl]

homelites first aid and surgery kit

3 steak knifes
a pizza cutter
a brazing torch
some hay twine
3-4 needles
a swiss army knife
duct tape
bottle of aerosol ether starting fluid
band aids
cotton swabs
needle nose pliers
a magnet
peroxide
guaze and a fiber glass patch kit for a truck.
bottle of bourbon

[kiltedninja]

My first aid kit consists of a roll of gauze, some medical tape, a bottle of Scotch, my Gerber multi-tool, a lighter, some needles and thread, and more gauze and tape.

I'm probably going to be getting a BOB together, since I found a really sweet backpack at the army surplus store.

[mattifikation]

Thanks for the suggestions. Upon looking inside the case again, I realize there is absolutely no lifesaving material inside the box. If I'm going to carry something, I may as well carry the good stuff. I've got my IFAK on my blow-out pouch on my plate carrier, but there's only enough supplies for one person.

I will probably start building another bag with emergency medicine in mind.

The kit looks great, though. Maybe you could just take one of the bundles of rope out and swap in some more emergency first aid?

Another thing... have you taken the classes on how to use emergency medicine? If not, you might as well just leave it the way it is. No sense getting rid of something you can use for something you can't.

[Dave Of The Dead]

How about carrying a few EpiPens? If you get into a tough situation, just stick yourself for a quick adrenaline boost and get the eff outta there! Your mind will be sharper and your reflexes will be better.

[Xawmb]

Assuming that the gear you choose has to be gear that you are able to get easily, this is my gear.

Long rang weapon:
A Browning Rage Compound Bow(with 50 arrows)
Close combat weapons
Baseball Bat and Machete

Back pack
First aid kit(pocket mask, bandages, moleskin, dressings, saline, antiseptics, shears, tweezers, needles&medical threads, alcohol/alcohol rubs, aspirin, acetaminophen, loperamide, and oral rehydration salts .)
Change of clothes(shirt, pants, and extra unders.)
2 Flashlights
Small battery powered radio
3 extra packs of batteries
Maps and compass
2 lighters
Box of matches
Swiss army knife/utility knife
Hatchet
Crowbar
Basic tool kit(multi screwdriver, pliers, hammer, measuring tape, wire cutters, and pocket saw.)
Water purification tablets
2 Bottles of water
6 cans of food(vegetables, meats like tuna and ham, soups, and beans)
Sauce Pan(A pot)
Fork, spoon, and knife
dish cloth/hand towel

I'd have epipens to if I had any. Can always get them I suppose...

I think that's a decent set of gear for what i can find around my house.
The backpack I have is a good sized one with comfortable straps on it. I've had this stuff packed in it once, the only things that wouldn't fit were the hatchet, crowbar, bottles of water, sauce pan, and first aid kit, but I attached them to the outside and put the bottles of water in the bottle pouches on the sides. It wasn't even that heavy. I could run a few kilometers with it on if I have to.

[koffex]

Probably regular clothes inside, jeans and tshirt.

Outside that:

Gorka S SPOSN. Some Russian Speznats mountain unit outfit. Pretty tough clothes and can't be bitten through. I have this outfite IRL so thats why it would most likly be my choice.

Some Elbow/Knee pads on that and some military boots, which is good in the forest and rough areas.

Weapons of choice: Mauser Carbine 98 with a sig sauer p228 pistol, or a glock 18.

Then a backpack which helps me carry some helpfull essentials stuff like Medkit, a bottle of Smirrnoff perhaps. Uh, firethingys. Multitool. Water, Some canned food'n shit. A compass, a map over the area i'm located in, a flashlight and some spare batteries. Some markerpens, Needle'n thread. Small binoculars(100-150m view) and a small crowbar

[Dave Of The Dead]

Probably regular clothes inside, jeans and tshirt.

Outside that:

Gorka S SPOSN. Some Russian Speznats mountain unit outfit. Pretty tough clothes and can't be bitten through. I have this outfite IRL so thats why it would most likly be my choice.

Some Elbow/Knee pads on that and some military boots, which is good in the forest and rough areas.

Weapons of choice: Mauser Carbine 98 with a sig sauer p228 pistol, or a glock 18.

Then a backpack which helps me carry some helpfull essentials stuff like Medkit, a bottle of Smirrnoff perhaps. Uh, firethingys. Multitool. Water, Some canned food'n shit. A compass, a map over the area i'm located in, a flashlight and some spare batteries. Some markerpens, Needle'n thread. Small binoculars(100-150m view) and a small crowbar

You are probably the most level headed newbie here I have seen in a while. While most choose to carry the entire weapons' closet for a rambo movie, you chose the base essentials with a couple reliable weapons. And of course, firethingys are a MUST, can never have too many firethingys. You know what they say, "Give me your firethingys or I'll come in your eye." :drool:
But seriously, nice choice of gear.

[homelitexl]

yeah im a big fan of the mauser kar98 its nice to see another mauser fan

[kiltedninja]

I've recently re-acquired my old Ka-bar. That things seen hell and high water with me.

I've got some 10i Dr. Martens, some tan military fatigues, an MA-1 flight jacket, my banana beanie(banana colored), a t-shirt of probably black or blue color, my Commando sweater, some Smartwool socks, and my serial killer gloves. My driver's cap.
My machete, my Ka-bar, my CRKT, my M-16 knife, my Colt 1911, and a rifle of some sort if I can't get my Lee Enfield.

[koffex]

You are probably the most level headed newbie here I have seen in a while. While most choose to carry the entire weapons' closet for a rambo movie, you chose the base essentials with a couple reliable weapons. And of course, firethingys are a MUST, can never have too many firethingys. You know what they say, "Give me your firethingys or I'll come in your eye." :drool:
But seriously, nice choice of gear.


Haha yea, but to be real, who can carry around all those things if you have to be on the move. I would only try to have the most basic things on me.

And firethingys i meant like matches, firesteel etc..:D

Awesome forum by the way!

[Dave Of The Dead]

Haha yea, but to be real, who can carry around all those things if you have to be on the move. I would only try to have the most basic things on me.

And firethingys i meant like matches, firesteel etc..:D

Awesome forum by the way!

I was just poking some fun. What you explained could probably fit in just one Bug Out Bag, minus the rifle. Right now, I'm carrying 1 B.O.B. and 1 ammo bag. With weapons and everything, I think I'm hauling about 50 lbs. I can still move around just fine and I can jog for as long as I need with those on me.

[homelitexl]

whats a ka-bar

[koffex]

whats a ka-bar

it's a knife i belive

[Bob]

Kill Bar...

[hotlead]

whats a ka-bar

Is your shed in the western hemisphere?

[homelitexl]

i have no clue where that is and im just a lil slow on the lingo

[kiltedninja]

man everyone knows what a Ka-Bar is.

[hotlead]

Sweet, the western hemisphere is the side of the planet you are standing on if you live in the US, Canada, or South America, among others.

KaBar is the common name of the MkII fighting/utility knife originally issued to Sailors and Marines during WWII, it's immense usefulness and popularity caused it to be bought by and issued to many servicemen during WWII and continues into today.

KaBar is the original maker, but they've been produced by lots of different companies, like Camilus, Case, and Pal. It remains one of the most popular and useful knives in the US and other civilized countries, and has many different models available.

The KaBar has a historical connection with the US Marines and was the inspiration of the new current issue USMC bayonet, who wanted a more effective and useful bayonet, and to instill a more aggressive attitude and appearance.

[homelitexl]

oh i just always called that a trench knife

[MatthewGarrow]

A truck
Torret for the back of truck
3 people
1 12 gage mosbarge
3 glocks (300 rounds)
3 baseball bats with a spike thought them for when i run out of bullets

[CAVU45]

I can't take it anymore. When are people going to learn to fvcking spell!!! :x

[Dave Of The Dead]

I can't take it anymore. When are people going to learn to fvcking spell!!! :x

:loon: You're the one spelling the F word with a "v" in it... :lol: Just kidding!

I'm really hoping that I have my B.O.B. finished by the time the zeds come... Its still sitting in my closet half full and I keep eating my canned foods I've stored...

On the topic of canned foods, expiration dates are usually pretty far off. I've been eating all my mother's emergency canned foods that expired about a year ago and Its still good! SPAM, not so much... but I never really liked SPAM in the first place. But still, don't blame me if you eat expired Spaghetti-O's and get sick.

[mattifikation]

I'm pretty sure the expiration date on most canned foods is set by law, not any realistic expectation on when the food won't be good anymore. I have the same problem you do, though... I keep buying stuff to stock my BOB and then raiding it later because I never do regular shopping.

Oh well. I suppose a BOB would be useless if it didn't have all the day-to-day stuff in it that you normally don't think about.

[hotlead]

Well you don't want to have your BOB full of stuff you've never eaten before or aren't used to, anyway.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well you don't want to have your BOB full of stuff you've never eaten before or aren't used to, anyway.

Chef Boyardee!

[Xawmb]

Campbells Tomato soup... All the possibilities!

[homelitexl]

mines full of coors beer marbolro lights copenhagan beef jerky squirel meat deer jerky lots of canned foods cheerios and bourbon

[Bob]

You know I have never used bourbon instead of milk on cereal...
Beer does not taste bad but it sogs our the cereal faster than I can eat it.

[kiltedninja]

It's probably the carbonation.
So far, mine has a sleeping bag on it, my bed roll, my rainshell, my fleece, probably gonna put my banana hat in it, a few stogies, my butane stove, an extra can of butane, and a gallon of water in it. I'm gonna get some food for it this week.

[Bob]

Maybe so, perhaps I should shake up the beer to get rid of most of the gas next time.

I would stockpile meds but one of my scrips is well over $800 a month.

After the fall what is going to be the most valuable otc med?

I believe it will be simple pain relievers because they will reduce fever.

What do you think?

[Dave Of The Dead]

sleeping pills is what I think.

[kiltedninja]

Midol is OTC yeah?

I think that all the guys that are bringing their woman, and the ladies here, are gonna be hoping they have some of that.

[mattifikation]

Pepto, Aspirin, Tylenol, Midol, and Weed.

[Bob]

Weed is otc?
Where the heck do you live?

[mattifikation]

Of course weed is OTC.

You just have to know whose counter to go to. ;-)

[Bob]

Oh... :loon:

[3030]

IMHO, I think that the most valuable OTC medication will be supplements. Like Centrum or any other daily pills, as people will have a hard time getting their vitamins and minerals daily to stay fit and keep from dying.

[homelitexl]

condoms beer and tobaco will be valuable

[Bob]

Beer will not last long.
It has a shelf life.
Have you ever drank a skunky beer?

ICK
Once upon a time there was a crap shipment of Falstaff beer to my town, it caused me to switch to Old Milwaukee.

[CAVU45]

Beer will not last long.
It has a shelf life.
Have you ever drank a skunky beer?

ICK
Once upon a time there was a crap shipment of Falstaff beer to my town, it caused me to switch to Old Milwaukee.

So you switched from skunky beer to skunky beer? :)

[homelitexl]

oh god iiddnt know that

[bandits1]

Beer will not last long.
It has a shelf life.
Have you ever drank a skunky beer?

ICK
Once upon a time there was a crap shipment of Falstaff beer to my town, it caused me to switch to Old Milwaukee.
I once drank some beer from a can of Budweiser that soooo old, it had turned sweeter and thicker than it should've been. That was fricken' gross. I was pretty drunk and desperate when I cracked it open, but even drunk I couldn't handle more than a couple of sips before pouring it out.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I drank from a 20 year old bottle of scotch a couple years back. I only had a glass, but it went straight to my stomach and I puked it back up. Thats never happened before or since, so I felt really bad. It was a VERY expensive bottle.


Anyway! Wouldn't you rather have hard liquor with you since it keeps longer and can be used to treat wounds? Put beer on a wound and that shit will probably get infected or something. Put some Vokda or Wild Turkey on it and it will hurt like hell but at least its clean!

[CAVU45]

Alcohol could also be used as a source for barter.

[Bob]

Actually Old Milwaukee was not skunky in those days it was just kind of watery tasting but it was cheap.
I could buy a pack of Marlboroughs and a 6 pack of Old Mill for $3

[homelitexl]

a six pack of coors and a pack of cigars is now 25$

[Bob]

Just think what tobacco products will be worth after the fall.
The smoke of choice of some of you however will grow wild in the streets.
It will be an effort to keep it from choking out food crops.

[homelitexl]

hey your right that would be cool

[bandits1]

IMHO, I think that the most valuable OTC medication will be supplements. Like Centrum or any other daily pills, as people will have a hard time getting their vitamins and minerals daily to stay fit and keep from dying.
Agreed. We discussed this a while ago in another thread. A multi-vitamin, calcium, and maybe vitamin C would be great to have around.

[homelitexl]

so would liquid crack i mean sugur with watur in it

[Xawmb]

I'm not sure, I could be wrong, but I don't recall people mentioning about having a sleeping bag in their gear.... I most likely am wrong, but that's something that would come in hand, or even just a light blanket or a comforter.

[Slayer]

Right on with the Vitamins, it'll be common for the diet in Zombie times to be made up of less food, with less vitamin content. The Vitamins will compensate for that to keep the survivor in good health.

[mattifikation]

The effectiveness of multivitamins is a highly contested matter of debate. Some studies indicate that taking a pill full of vitamins does nothing for the body, since a simple pill doesn't contain all of the calories, fiber, fats, proteins, and carbohydrates necessary for the body to process the vitamins.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I've got my sleeping bag on the list...waaaaaaaaaaaayy back in the first pages.

[bandits1]

The effectiveness of multivitamins is a highly contested matter of debate. Some studies indicate that taking a pill full of vitamins does nothing for the body, since a simple pill doesn't contain all of the calories, fiber, fats, proteins, and carbohydrates necessary for the body to process the vitamins.
Yeah, I've read that some vitamins/minerals need a vehicle to be effectively assimilated by the body -- and that vehicle is food. That why some nutrients are best gained from eating balanced diets rather than taking suppliments.

Still, I'd rather take suppliments than not take suppliments...especially when diets may be as limited as I think they'll be a couple of years into a zombie-apocalypse. Assuming, of course, most of us don't succeed in planting vast fields of fruits, vegetables, and grains amidst all the brain-eating zombies like a lot of folks plan on doing in some of the other threads.

[hotlead]

I'm not sure, I could be wrong, but I don't recall people mentioning about having a sleeping bag in their gear.... I most likely am wrong, but that's something that would come in hand, or even just a light blanket or a comforter.

You can't get out of 'em fast enough when all zipped up, so leave them unzipped if you're gonna use them after the zombies rize.

Otherwise, you'll be a big salami all wrapped up at the butchers for the zombies.

[kiltedninja]

I'm gonna only use my sleeping bag in the securest of environments, I'd rather just sleep wearing my coat elsewhere, and keep my pistol ready. Like most soldiers I know do or did in unsure places.

[Xawmb]

You can't get out of 'em fast enough when all zipped up, so leave them unzipped if you're gonna use them after the zombies rize.

Otherwise, you'll be a big salami all wrapped up at the butchers for the zombies.

yea, that's what I was thinking when I said or a blanket... That would suck, waking up in the night because of attacking zombies and you can't do anything because you're stuck in a sleeping bag.

[homelitexl]

yod be a big bagged p to go plate then thats why im gonna sleep in my coveralls that way i can jump p easy

[kiltedninja]

what the fvck does that even mean? I don't speak monkey, sorry.

[hotlead]

yod be a big bagged p to go plate then thats why im gonna sleep in my coveralls that way i can jump p easy

You read my mind.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think I'll be padded enough in all my gear to not need a sleeping bag. But for my back's sake, I'll bring one of those small, padded Yoga mats to sleep on. They're small, light, and comfortable.

[kiltedninja]

It's just gonna be me and my coat. My dad said they're called ruck flops, when you sleep against your ruck, with a poncholiner or something for warmth.

[ZedHunter]

Well...considering what you actually NEED compared to the amount of weight you can carry, I would say a sleeping bag is low on the list for me.

Guns/Ammo
Easy Open canned foods
Fire starting kit [many boxes of matches/few lighters with cotton balls and the sort]
TP with hand sanitizer
Spare clothes [shirt, boxers,shorts and socks]
1 liter bottle of water, with misc containers of water
Multiple different candies
Some deodorant
A few other small things.

Oh ya..and a cooler of coors light. :lol:

[Onslaught]

Well...considering what you actually NEED compared to the amount of weight you can carry, I would say a sleeping bag is low on the list for me.

Guns/Ammo
Easy Open canned foods
Fire starting kit [many boxes of matches/few lighters with cotton balls and the sort]
TP with hand sanitizer
Spare clothes [shirt, boxers,shorts and socks]
1 liter bottle of water, with misc containers of water
Multiple different candies
Some deodorant
A few other small things.

Oh ya..and a cooler of coors light. :lol:

switch to pre-purchased freeze dried food/mre and you can have your 2.5lb sleeping bag.
Canned food is amazingly heavy. There is a reason that not even the military use it anymore. (and especially not civilian backpackers)

Try mountain house dehydrated meals. And remember to strip down those MREs.
It takes a bit of forethought and pre-planning, but you can always use the stuff when backpacking.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah man, next time you go backpacking, put ten cans of food in your backpack, instead of five MRE's, and you'll see the difference.

My backpack, minus ammunition weighs about 25lbs-35lbs, that's with five days of food, a full change of clothes, my butane stove, my bedroll, sleeping bag, rainshell and fleece, and a gallon of water. Throw in ammo, and we're looking at about 35-50 lbs. Now, if I were to put five days of canned food, say, ten or fifteen cans, then I'm looking at about 60lbs instead of 50 at the most.

[ZEDcommand004]

I live right next to a pawn shop with a lot of ammunition and guns and things so when the apocolypse came i would take two duffle bags and fill it up with guns ammo and blades.... then i would put them in my lifted jeep along with my medkit and zombie survival pack and my ciggs....i already have an offroading medkit and an axe shovel and pickaxe in jeep

[hotlead]

The owner of that pawnshop might frown on that...............or he might put nine .33" lead balls in you.

BTW, the other zombie site you want everyone to join costs $30 year, pretty steep for talking about dead people rising from their graves.

[kiltedninja]

That's pretty ridiculous for any site. They better send you a t-shirt made of awesome.

[hotlead]

A zombie bite-proof T-shirt.

[kiltedninja]

Awesome in it's solid form is crocodile bite proof.

[bandits1]

WTF could a zombie site possibly offer for $30 a year?

[Darkness]

WTF could a zombie site possibly offer for $30 a year?

"Okay, that subject isn't only off topic, I am declaring it officially dead. Please let it rest in peace."

[bandits1]

For that price, they better guarantee me that z-day will happen.



Sorry Darkness, now I'm done.

[Darkness]

"If you really want to talk about it, go here....."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19945

"....or here...."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19942

".......or here......."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19760

"....Where it all started." :roll:

"And keep this topic where it belongs."

[kiltedninja]

The thing I'm worried about with my equipment, isn't the weight of it, but how the hell I'm gonna carry my backpack and my rifle at the same time without actually carrying the rifle. Any suggestions?

[Darkness]

"Have you considered a Rifle Sheath?"

[kiltedninja]

Yes actually, but then speed is a factor, which is why I have a pistol! You're a genius Darkness!*hugs darkness*

[CAVU45]

The thing I'm worried about with my equipment, isn't the weight of it, but how the hell I'm gonna carry my backpack and my rifle at the same time without actually carrying the rifle. Any suggestions?

You could try a single point sling. It allows for carrying the weapon hands free while still having it accessible.

[kiltedninja]

It's got a sling, I just don't know how well it's going to sit on the side of my backpack.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Thats why I always enjoyed messenger bags: They give you more room to carry more bags or anything else with a sling.
So far, and its working out fairly well, I'm carrying one messenger bag for ammo and first aid, a second one for other living supplies, and a camel back with a couple extra pouches for misc supplies. I still need to get a sling for my shotgun but I feel less cluttered with numerous, smaller bags instead of one huge one in a very inconvenient spot.

[Bob]

Dave
I wonder why the military has not come up with that idea.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Dave
I wonder why the military has not come up with that idea.

Not really sure why they don't do it anymore, but the messenger bag was really popularized by paratroopers who didn't have room for a bag on their back (the parachute you know?). Oh well, maybe I'll get a million dollar grant to study the comfort, convenience, and ergonomics of the messenger bag for military use... or maybe I'll just keep the secret for us to exploit.

[CAVU45]

While the military itself doesn't go in for messenger bags or any other type for short term use, the average soldier utilizes them quite a bit. Check out the kit the guys use on a daily basis while on patrol in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[kiltedninja]

I have a couple of friends that would tell me about how when they were over there, and they'd carry ASPs on them as well. starting to sound like police officers, not soldiers.

I'll probably look into a messenger bag, I've been thinking about it anyway.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Seriously, if you have an ALICE pack or something and you need to grab something out of your bag in a short amount of time, you'd be screwed. Thats why I've always disliked "back" packs.

[kiltedninja]

I carry anything I may need quickly in my pockets.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Your kilt has pockets?

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, those buttons on the sides are for big ass pockets, like the size of BDU cargo pockets.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Nice. Its a cool night, I should gear up and take more pics

[kiltedninja]

Go for it compadre.

I should shave my half assed sideburns.

[Tobias Blaine]

Primary- Bushmaster Vmatch(.223) with scope attachment and quick detach bipod. A bigass machete (dubbed brainbuster)

Secondary- Beretta 90-2(40cal) with flashlight attachment and a smith and wesson (.357)

My gear is a standard light recon vest with a recoil pad on the right shoulder and a leg holster over a black tactical bodysuit

[kiltedninja]

I accuseth thee of being a mall ninja.

[Tobias Blaine]

You accuse me of being a mall ninja? Seriously?

[kiltedninja]

Primary- Bushmaster Vmatch(.223) with scope attachment and quick detach bipod. A bigass machete (dubbed brainbuster)

Secondary- Beretta 90-2(40cal) with flashlight attachment and a smith and wesson (.357)

My gear is a standard light recon vest with a recoil pad on the right shoulder and a leg holster over a black tactical bodysuit

I rest my case.

You may have gotten away with it if you'd said 'Black military uniform' but tactical body suit? That sounds awfully mall ninja-ish.

You do have some nice toys though.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't think you could label somebody for what they wear from protection. Remember that many of us are going to look like we just escaped from Thunder Dome.

[Tobias Blaine]

You rest your case huh? The suit im talking about is labeled:

"Propper Tactical Patrol suit" Tactical as in it has many pokets....tactical as in it has quick attachments snaps and rings...its not a set of utilities, its like if you had a set of bdus and a matching top and sewed them together at the middle. The nomex make of the suit makes it really hard to rip.....or bite through. Google i if you want. Its a decent suit.

[CAVU45]

Nomex is really easy to tear apart. I went through four pair of nomex gloves in the sandbox in less than twelve months. Nomex doesn't wear well at all. It's at best for occassional use only. Wear that stuff daily in the field and it'll be in tatters in no time. BTW, I don't think the Propper suits are nomex. If memory serves they're made from ripstop or other such material. Nomex is expensive shit.

[Tobias Blaine]

Yeah, nomex is expensive, as you were. I've a propper ripstop and the other is a propper nomex "flight suit." The cheap poly/cotton ones are cheap and rip a shiteload.

[ZEDcommand004]

i would wear full riot gear from the surplus store like 5 minutes from my house

[kiltedninja]

You rest your case huh? The suit im talking about is labeled:

"Propper Tactical Patrol suit" Tactical as in it has many pokets....tactical as in it has quick attachments snaps and rings...its not a set of utilities, its like if you had a set of bdus and a matching top and sewed them together at the middle. The nomex make of the suit makes it really hard to rip.....or bite through. Google i if you want. Its a decent suit.

Right. It was just the 'black tactical body suit' part that made me call mall ninja. It was a false accusation.

My flight jacket is nomex. I've heard that it's fairly fireproof.

[Tobias Blaine]

I really like tactical jackets. There a $500 one out there called the Mark 1, it looks cool but its expensive as hell. Though i like the tactical jackets, i'm in Florida...and as such its hot as flaming monkey nuts down here most of the time.

[kiltedninja]

Yes well I'm talking about the MA-1 flight jacket, like this one:

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m183/kbsportswear/CLFlight1.jpg

[Tobias Blaine]

that ones alright is it warm at all?, i like the look of the mark 1, it appeals to my latch, strap, clasp, zipper interest.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b345/the_doc_30427/kitanica.jpg

[kiltedninja]

Flight jackets were designed to be a lighter weight version of the fur lined ones. So yeah, it's warm. I can't even wear it unless it's less than 40 degrees or so.

[Tobias Blaine]

I bought a duster when i went to vegas last, its a nice jacket but not very tactical...its mainly made for storms and dust. Makes a good blanket when needed tho.

[bandits1]

Right. It was just the 'black tactical body suit' part that made me call mall ninja. It was a false accusation.

My flight jacket is nomex. I've heard that it's fairly fireproof.
Fire-resistant, perhaps. My brother works at a oil refinery and has to wear a Nomex jumpsuit. He says that it will only buy him a few seconds of not burning to death to find a way out of the fire, or he'll end up charcoal like everyone else.

[Dave Of The Dead]

that ones alright is it warm at all?, i like the look of the mark 1, it appeals to my latch, strap, clasp, zipper interest.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b345/the_doc_30427/kitanica.jpg

Hm, its like a modern version of Charlie Prince's Jacket from 3:10 to Yuma

[Bob]

In the deep South not sweating to death is of more concern than freezing to death.

[CAVU45]

Yeah, nomex is expensive, as you were. I've a propper ripstop and the other is a propper nomex "flight suit." The cheap poly/cotton ones are cheap and rip a shiteload.

Nomex is no different. Those flight suits aren't made for field use. They rip apart fairly easily. They don't "breathe" well either causing the wearer to sweat buckets. Alot of helicopter pilots ditched the nomex for regular DCU's in the sandbox.

[CAVU45]

that ones alright is it warm at all?, i like the look of the mark 1, it appeals to my latch, strap, clasp, zipper interest.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b345/the_doc_30427/kitanica.jpg

Who the hell makes that thing? It looks more like a torture device than a true tactical jacket.

[Tobias Blaine]

Yeah, i hate the major heat. I go sleeveless alot out here out of necessity, but i openly preach out against sleeveless in a zombie apocalypse.

This is the info on the jacket. It does look compromisingly warm and trapping. But i do like straps, buckles, clasps and what have you. It has a cool look to it. But its not worth $500.

Kitanica’s new MARK I Tactical Utility Jacket balances rugged durability, paramilitary function, and exceptional fit with an undeniably aggressive look. The MARK I is constructed of heavy weight 1000 denier Cordura and is available in two colors, black and sage. It comes with loads of features
unavailable on any other jacket, including a universal flashlight mount and PALS webbing for attaching essential web gear in a place that’s easy to get to. Kitanica continues to offer one of its unique features, a lifetime guarantee against any craftsmanship and manufacturing defects for as long as you own your jacket. The MARK I retails for US $497.

[CAVU45]

$500!!!!! For that??? No thanks! I'll stick to my good old ECWS goretex parka. It keeps me warm and dry without looking like an escapee from a loony bin. But if you just have to be tacticool.....I can't imagine wearing that thing with a loaded vest. It'd be damned uncomfortable to say the least. Not to mention hot as hell with no way to properly vent it.

[Tobias Blaine]

its true, that $500 i could spend on ammo, or rifle upgrades...or something to go on my jeep. And war gear of anykind would be ridiculous. You'd look like a puffy tactical eskimo most likely. This jacket would be most suited for a "zoolander" themed zombie apocalypse....complete with huge d&g sunglasses.

[Bob]

I have about decided I should get a new AR while I am waiting on the price of AKs to come down.
Problem is I bought my AR in the 80's and am overwhelmed by all the choices and brands available now.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have about decided I should get a new AR while I am waiting on the price of AKs to come down.
Problem is I bought my AR in the 80's and am overwhelmed by all the choices and brands available now.

If you find any good deals, tell me. Once I get my college expenses out of the way for this year, that's the first thing I'm looking into.

[kiltedninja]

I bought my flight jacket at the army surplus store for 60 dollars.

[mattifikation]

I want an AR so bad. A 16"er with an LWRC upper... drool.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I want an AR so bad. A 16"er with an LWRC upper... drool.

Something like this? (http://www.model1sales.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=KCE160&storeid=1&image=car16pre.gif&CFID=51875947&CFTOKEN=96101344) Thats my new investment.

[steve2071]

I bought a duster when i went to vegas last, its a nice jacket but not very tactical...its mainly made for storms and dust. Makes a good blanket when needed tho.


I don't think it needs to be "tactical" to be effective. If it works for you, then I say go for it.

On the other hand, if you want tactical, check out TAD Gear (http://www.tadgear.com). They're the kings of tactical fashion apparel.

And yes, in case you were wondering, I would love to have a closet full of their stuff, but when I can pick up two 5.11 Sabre jackets for the price of one Stealth hoodie, therein lies the problem.

[CAVU45]

I don't think it needs to be "tactical" to be effective. If it works for you, then I say go for it.

On the other hand, if you want tactical, check out TAD Gear (http://www.tadgear.com). They're the kings of tactical fashion apparel.

And yes, in case you were wondering, I would love to have a closet full of their stuff, but when I can pick up two 5.11 Sabre jackets for the price of one Stealth hoodie, therein lies the problem.

I agree. Ones gear doesn't have to be "tactical", but milsurp gear is proven.

I gotta admit, I got a laugh out of "tactical fashion apparel" and "stealth hoodie". After a cursory glance at the site, I believe a good old military ECWS gortex parka would be as good if not better than what TAD has to offer.

[steve2071]

I agree. Ones gear doesn't have to be "tactical", but milsurp gear is proven.

I gotta admit, I got a laugh out of "tactical fashion apparel" and "stealth hoodie". After a cursory glance at the site, I believe a good old military ECWS gortex parka would be as good if not better than what TAD has to offer.

Never have truer words been spoken. It seems people make really really expensive gear nowadays for for the high-speediness of it. It really is more about fashion and less about function.

ETA: That isn't to say, it doesn't look cool though! :)

[CAVU45]

It seems more people are going with function following form instead of the other way around. They'd prefer to be "tacticool" than truly tactical.

[hotlead]

Well, from what I've seen, the only requirement for something to be tactical is for it to be black.

I have a "tactical" truck outside, Bianchi has a "tactical" line of webgear, mall ninjas, gunshop-commandos, and starbuck-snipers all have "tactical" outfits and gear at home, most wrought iron gates and fences are "tactical". I made a pop-flare tube "tactical" once, I wrapped it in electrical tape and put weapons cleaning gear in it.

So, if you want it "tactical", paint it black.

I hate how mainstream and over-used that word is :puke:

[CAVU45]

I agree completly. If it looks good hanging in the closet or they think it makes them really "tacticool" while strutting downt he street then that's what the mall nijas will get. The tacticool shit comes in a variety of colors, but is still virtually useless in the field. But it looks real cool!! Give me a ECWS parka and some canvas pants and I'm set.

[mattifikation]

Has anyone here made an Altoids Survival Kit?

[CAVU45]

Has anyone here made an Altoids Survival Kit?

Yep. It's basically using an Altoids tin, or something similar, to store survival items in such as fishing line, hooks, matches, pocket compass, etc.

Wjile we're on the subject of AR's. I know we're not really, but it has been mentioned. So anyway....Has anyone seen or heard anything on the FailZero receivers? the company says that their receivers need no lube at all and still function flawlessly. To say the least I'm skeptical.

[mattifikation]

What's in yours? I didn't put any fishing stuff in mine. I only ever went fishing once. I didn't catch squat. Actually, I don't have anything food-related in it yet.

[kiltedninja]

I just got back from a backpacking trip, and while my stuff is good, I'm going to spend time getting lighter and more efficient gear.
For example, I'm going to trade out my Butane stove for a lighter and smaller alcohol stove that all my buddies were using. A lighter weight bedroll will also be useful, because walking uphill for 7 miles with a 50 pound pack on is hard already, and if I added ammunition and my weapons, I'd be wearing nearly 70 pounds of stuff.

[hotlead]

We all had an altoids tin survival kit when I was in the Boy Scouts. It was one of the first things we had to do when we joined, we had to have it in our pocket at every function and go through it every six months.

We also had to demonstrate the use of the stuff inside, like when we made campfires we had to make the kindling and tinder with our pocket knives and light it with firestarting tools in our little kits. We had to have enough money in it to make two phone calls, I found the first one I made a while ago, and I had 40 cents in it, enough money to make four phone calls at the time.

Thanks for bringing up the memories.

[MallNinja]

I have about decided I should get a new AR while I am waiting on the price of AKs to come down.
Problem is I bought my AR in the 80's and am overwhelmed by all the choices and brands available now.


Piston you will want to stick with factory kits and you will want to expect to pay piles of money. POF and LWRC both make good guns, and both are giant money. HK is slowly but surely bringing the 416 into the civilian world to the tune of $4,995.00 for a 14.5 inch upper. The biggest advantage I see with spending the money on a piston gun is going to be if your shooting with a suppressor. Long story, but I will explain in the gun threads if anyone feels the need to know.

As for DI, or direct impingement, rifles, your choices are endless. I'll keep this short and just explain what I did when I put together my dream gun since this isn't a gun thread. When I got home from Iraq I basically built the rifle I wished I'd had when I was there. I started with a S&W M&P15T since it had a monolithic rail and no fixed front sight post. I wanted a mono rail because I bent the upper on a Colt M4 while using a sling for support, and I wanted a folding front sight because I use a trijicon ACOG and the fixed front sight post on the M4 I had in theater created a blur in my sight picture. Next I replaced the pistol grip and stock with Magpul parts that are stronger and more stable than milspec. Next I replaced the bolt from S&W with a bolt from colt after seeing a S&W bolt fail at the cam pin hole, though I'm sure this was unnecessary and the failure was more than likely a fluke, and S&W replaced the bolt and gave him a hat. Then I added a surefire weapon light, a single point sling attachment at the castle nut, and topped it off with a 4X32 ACOG.

[CAVU45]

What's in yours? I didn't put any fishing stuff in mine. I only ever went fishing once. I didn't catch squat. Actually, I don't have anything food-related in it yet.

A few hooks and 50" of 20lb line wrapped around an old bobbin. A micro light. Steel striker. A smallbottle of water purification tablets. Pocket compass. A small cable saw. A few needles and some thread from my old military sewing kit. A few extra buttons and safety pins.

[mattifikation]

Mine's got a tiny LED flashlight, 7 birthday cake candles for starting fires, a pocket knife, several matches tucked into a piece of a straw, a pair of tweezers, a tiny vial of iodine, two alcohol pads, a dose of acetaminophen, a dose of pepto bismal, a spool of nylon cord, an LED keychain flashlight, a packet of antibiotic ointment, two band-aids, a packet of insect sting treatment cream, and a dose of electrolyte tablets.

I plan on putting a cotton ball in it (I don't have any right now), and a needle and thread. I also intend to put a phone calling card in it, as opposed to taking up space with quarters.

[kiltedninja]

You said LED flashlight twice.

It sounds like an interesting idea, I might have to try it sometime.

[mattifikation]

I also took the pepto bismal last night. Doh.

I'm so disorganized.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I also took the pepto bismal last night. Doh.

I'm so disorganized.

Its okay, every time I buy survival food for my B.O.B. I get hungry and eat it.

[kiltedninja]

I buy dehydrated meals for my BOB, but my regular food isn't much higher on the scale. Mashed potatoes, oatmeal and pasta mostly. It blows.

[MallNinja]

Eating and using whats in your BOB leads to confidence in your gear and helps remove some shock of the situation should you ever need to bug out. I.E. when you break for dinner and your emergency food is the same thing you ate for dinner last week you'll have a little less stress and shock to your system. So its kind of a good thing as long as you replace it. On that same note I use my benchmade fixed blade in my kitchen so I stay used to the feel of it until I head back into the woods.

[kiltedninja]

William Wallace is carried around by me alot, I'm very confident in that knife.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I've but all my melee weapons and other gear through a lot of punishment before I say I'm bringing it with me.

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

Has anyone here made an Altoids Survival Kit?
i have

whats this thread about?

[Dave Of The Dead]

i have

whats this thread about?

Everything you would take.

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

oh ok i would take my zed survival kit that i have prepared my colt 45 my m 13 my pump action shotgun and my dog

[kiltedninja]

What the hell is an M13?

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

oh ok i would take my zed survival kit that i have prepared my colt 45 my m 13 my pump action shotgun and my dog

srry meant M14

[CAVU45]

Only M13 I'm aware of is the disintegrating link used for NATO machine guns.

[CAVU45]

srry meant M14

You telling us you have an actual M14? I wanna see pics of that.

[kiltedninja]

I'm calling shenanigans on a real M14 too. Maybe an M1A, but not a real M14.

What kind of shotgun is it?

[mattifikation]

M14s aren't unfindable. They're just rare.

http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/apr/2650m14.html

[UseYourHeadAndYourMachtte]

M14s aren't unfindable. They're just rare.
exactly
http://www.autoweapons.com/photos09/apr/2650m14.html

I'm calling shenanigans on a real M14 too. Maybe an M1A, but not a real M14.

What kind of shotgun is it?
colt
You telling us you have an actual M14? I wanna see pics of that.
Would but camera is broken will be getting new one next month

[bandits1]

Wha...? A "Colt" shotgun? Wow.

[CAVU45]

When did Colt build a shotgun?

[mattifikation]

Must be an antique, eh?

[hotlead]

A few seconds of searching shows that Colt made a rabbit ear double in 1878, I probably wouldn't shoot one with modern ammo, I hope you reload for it.

He probably has an M-14 clone of some sort, SAI, Norinco, Polytech, or something. Real M-14s are ATF restricted "machine guns", and are very expensive to buy if you have a class III.

Useyourmachette, if you live in the U.S. and you do have a real M-14 made by Springfield Armory, Winchester, Thompson-Ramo-Woolridge, or Harrington-Richardson, and you don't have the license and it's not registered with the ATF, then you need to get that thing away from you and anyone you care about.

[steve2071]

I wouldn't go around the internet telling folks you own a select-fire M14. Just sayin'. It's not a very good idea.

[Bob]

As long as it is pre-ban and the tax stamp is at hand no problem I am jealous.
Otherwise wise up and shut up.

[kiltedninja]

Bob, you enlighten us with your words of wisdom quite often.

[zombieslayer11]

(sorry if theres another thread like this)

i got a small bag, full of equipment that i think would be useful...not only in zombie survival, but in any disaster.

Items in my grab bag:
first aid kit
4 days worth of food
5 days worth of water
a crowbar
hand hachet
hunting knife
muilti tool
my shotgun (not "in" the grab bag, but i know where it is)
shells (also not "in" the grab bag, but its easy access)
flashlight
batteries


whats in your grab bag...might give me some ideas of my own

(once again, im sorry if theres another thread like this. i can't search for some reason.)

[kiltedninja]

My BOB is about as follows, though I've only got part of it together, since I'm kind of depleted in the food area.

REI hiking pack
Butane stove
Extra can of Butane
Matches(fvck load of em)
Rain Shell
Fleece
Five days freeze dried food
coffee beans
coffee maker(attaches to my water bottle)
2X One quart canteens
water pump
steel cup and camp pot
folding shovel
small candle lantern
Extra candles
Sleeping bag
Sleeping Roll
Tent
Colt 1911
two boxes ammunition

That altogether weighs about 50 pounds, heavy for a hiking pack, kind of.

[zombieslayer11]

My BOB is about as follows, though I've only got part of it together, since I'm kind of depleted in the food area.

REI hiking pack
Butane stove
Extra can of Butane
Matches(fvck load of em)
Rain Shell
Fleece
Five days freeze dried food
coffee beans
coffee maker(attaches to my water bottle)
2X One quart canteens
water pump
steel cup and camp pot
folding shovel
small candle lantern
Extra candles
Sleeping bag
Sleeping Roll
Tent
Colt 1911
two boxes ammunition

That altogether weighs about 50 pounds, heavy for a hiking pack, kind of.

that makes my list look like sh*t :doh:
but i don't think i should be lugging around 50 pounds worth of equipment, the lighter the stuff, the faster i can run.
but the stuff you got is good, i need some matches, all i got is disposable lighters. im also getting candles, and some water purification tablets.

[CAVU45]

(sorry if theres another thread like this)

i got a small bag, full of equipment that i think would be useful...not only in zombie survival, but in any disaster.

Items in my grab bag:
first aid kit
4 days worth of food
5 days worth of water
a crowbar
hand hachet
hunting knife
muilti tool
my shotgun (not "in" the grab bag, but i know where it is)
shells (also not "in" the grab bag, but its easy access)
flashlight
batteries


whats in your grab bag...might give me some ideas of my own

(once again, im sorry if theres another thread like this. i can't search for some reason.)

What type of food are you carrying? How do you haul the water around? Those two items alone can make up the bulk off the weight of a BOB.

[zombieslayer11]

ooohhh, didn't check this thread ._.
i feel stupid :x

[hotlead]

I don't see why so many folks don't keep ammo for thier weapons in the BOB, you might as well, that's what it's for. Your BOB shouldn't be laying out for knuckle-heads to get into anyway, so ammo already packed shouldn't be a problem, and means you only have to grab two things, the same number of hands you have.

Our bug out gear is in the same secured closet that my safe is mounted in, which is the same closet that the rest of our ammo on hand is in, we have ID, a set of clothes, and a spare set of keys for our properties and vehicles in each BOB too. So if we jump out of the window naked with our bug out gear for any emergency, fire, earthquake, Red Dawn, or whatever, we can be down the road in just a few minutes.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't see why so many folks don't keep ammo for thier weapons in the BOB, you might as well, that's what it's for. Your BOB shouldn't be laying out for knuckle-heads to get into anyway, so ammo already packed shouldn't be a problem, and means you only have to grab two things, the same number of hands you have.

I have a BOB and an ammo bag. The BOB, I'm still working on, but my ammo bag is pretty well stuffed with 12 ga, 30-30, and .22. Of course, these two packs are only for getting the hell out of the dangerous area and to a safe place, so as long as I can carry it to my car, weight is not exactly an issue.

[kiltedninja]

that makes my list look like sh*t :doh:
but i don't think i should be lugging around 50 pounds worth of equipment, the lighter the stuff, the faster i can run.
but the stuff you got is good, i need some matches, all i got is disposable lighters. im also getting candles, and some water purification tablets.

That's all shit that I carry with me when backpacking, minus the firearm. And I can move pretty quickly with it all.

[MallNinja]

1 old vietnam era e-tool
2 10 days of coast guard survival rats
3 9 quarts of water
4 100 quarts of water purification tablets
5 army shelter half(no poles or stakes)
6 200 feet of 550 cord
7 30 zip ties
8 blast match
9 50ish NATO matches.
10 swiss fire steel
11 half gallon metal pot
12 leatherman
13 sharpening stone
14 weapon cleaning kit
15 300 5.56 rounds on stripper clips with loader
16 100 .45 rounds
17 machete
18 trash bags
19 heavy duty zip lock bags
20 fleece top
21 socks
22 t-shirts
23 underwear
24 one pair of pants
25 sewing kit
26 extra boot laces
27 piano wire
28 peanut butter (bait)
29 first aid kit
a IBD x3
b cat tourniquet x2
c sam splint x 2
d ace wrap x2
e iodine
f H&H compression gauze x lots
g asherman chest seals x lots
h bunch of other stuff i don't feel like listing right now.
30 spare parts kits for weapons
31 various fire tinder
32 space blankets
33 water filter
34 spork
35 bottle/can opener
36 200 dollars cash
37 copies of paper work I feel the need to hang on too.
38 ID
39 picture of my dog
40 bag with tooth brush and what not
41 flip flops
42 army sleeping pad rolled up with sleeping bag
43 a pile of 3V and double A batteries
44 two Inova LED flashlights
45 small Inova flashlight
46 pile of 9 hour candles
47 and so on...

[Bob]

Ya know there are quite a few lists of items but I can't recall a wonderfully useful item being listed but once.
Garbage bags, the big ol plastic kind.
They have a myriad of uses.

Who can come up with the most uses?
The winner gets cookie.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6025/cookiegirlcostume591622.jpg

[mattifikation]

Zombie disposal. 1 zombie per bag. That's 6 billion uses. Give me my fvcking cookie. ;-)

[Darkness]

Who can come up with the most uses?
The winner gets cookie.

"Zombie Disposal, Garbage Disposal, Rain Gear, Tent, Water Catch, Dew Catch, Wind Break, Water Proofing, Shade, Stretcher, Sling, Pack, Bonds, and if you stick branches in it, it can be a hunting 'blind/camoflage'." :)

[slayer1222]

Ya know there are quite a few lists of items but I can't recall a wonderfully useful item being listed but once.
Garbage bags, the big ol plastic kind.
They have a myriad of uses.

Who can come up with the most uses?
The winner gets cookie.
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6025/cookiegirlcostume591622.jpg

does the girl come with it

[mattifikation]

"Zombie Disposal, Garbage Disposal, Rain Gear, Tent, Water Catch, Dew Catch, Wind Break, Water Proofing, Shade, Stretcher, Sling, Pack, Bonds, and if you stick branches in it, it can be a hunting 'blind/camoflage'." :)

That's all well and good, except I still win because I'll be killing more zombies than you. :-P

Yeah, I totally went there!

[Darkness]

That's all well and good, except I still win because I'll be killing more zombies than you. :-P

Yeah, I totally went there!

"He wanted different uses. Not one use done many times." ;-)

[slayer1222]

"he wanted different uses. Not one use done many times." ;-)



oooooooooooo snap

[mattifikation]

Okay.

Condom. Might be a little tight, but whatever.

[hotlead]

He's not talking about Barbie garbage bags.

[Bob]

OOoo Snap!

[mattifikation]

Touche.

(These are pointless words intended to silence the alert that my message is too short.)

[kiltedninja]

does the girl come with it

I think she's a little old for you Slayer.

Garbage disposal, zombie disposal, shit disposal, poncho, Tent, Water catch, dew sheet,shade, stretcher, sling, pack, If you line your ruck with it, it keeps your shit dry, dead body disposal, mitten for picking up undesirable material, add some tape and you have a pair of waders...asphyxiation device, drowning device(if filled with water), that's all I got.

I want my cookie.

[mattifikation]

Stealing cookies.

[MallNinja]

I'm going to go with...

Dig a hole in the ground about 3 feet deep in a sunny area, and fill it with some green non poisonous plants, put a way of catching water in the center of it, cover it with a black plastic trash bag, put a small rock or something it the center of the trash bag to make it conical over the cup, pan, whatever so water sweated out of the plants, condensed onto the trash bag, is pulled by gravity to the center and dripped into the cup, thus giving you cleanish water from a trash bag.

[Darkness]

I'm going to go with...

Dig a hole in the ground about 3 feet deep in a sunny area, and fill it with some green non poisonous plants, put a way of catching water in the center of it, cover it with a black plastic trash bag, put a small rock or something it the center of the trash bag to make it conical over the cup, pan, whatever so water sweated out of the plants, condensed onto the trash bag, is pulled by gravity to the center and dripped into the cup, thus giving you cleanish water from a trash bag.

"It's in my list, It's a Dew Trap. Common way of catching the morning dew, especially in a desert, or on the water." ;-)

[MallNinja]

"It's in my list, It's a Dew Trap. Common way of catching the morning dew, especially in a desert, or on the water." ;-)

"Zombie Disposal, Garbage Disposal, Rain Gear, Tent, Water Catch, Dew Catch, Wind Break, Water Proofing, Shade, Stretcher, Sling, Pack, Bonds, and if you stick branches in it, it can be a hunting 'blind/camoflage'."

Hmmm... missed that. I change my answer to

1 Flutter valve for sucking chest wound
2 scout pit cover
3 flotation device
4 trap bag for small game
5 improvised billows
6 game trail scouting tool
7 plastic can be melted and the black soot left over can be used to darken the front sight post on a worn out rifle for a better sight picture
8 bear bag
9 blind fold
10 signal flag
11 improvised oar
12 used as zombie splatter infection protection
13 seal a structure for last ditch or temporary protection from chemical agents
14 filled with sand or dirt and used as a shooting rest for zombie sniping
15 trail marker
16 burned to make black smoke for signal

cookie for me.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I'd say you get the cookie.

[slayer1222]

I think she's a little old for you Slayer.


hell no shes not

[mattifikation]

Giant water balloon, dropped on unsuspecting friends from a balcony.

Because messing with your friends is a trend that will never die...

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Edit. Actually, that gives me an idea. If you get a black garbage bag when the sun is out and the temperature outside isn't really cold....
You can fill it with water, tie it off, and then let it collect heat in the sun for awhile. When you're ready, hang it from a tree branch and poke some holes in it. Tada... hot shower! Er, well, warm shower anyways...

Edit Again. If you have a short length of some kind of hose, and the "rose spout" from a watering can (I wiki'd that shit to find out what it's called,) you can make the shower without destroying your beloved bag by just syphoning water out of the top. Then when you're done... steal cookies.

Ohhh I'm one fart smeller... Er smart feller.

[hotlead]

"It's in my list, It's a Dew Trap. Common way of catching the morning dew, especially in a desert, or on the water." ;-)

Mallninja is describing what's called a "solar still", it works throughout the day, and also works as a dew trap overnight.

[homelitexl]

you can keep yer dew traps im gonna live off beer jerky my smokes and a strong will to kill, some undead mothuh@#ckers

[Dave Of The Dead]

you can keep yer dew traps im gonna live off beer jerky my smokes and a strong will to kill, some undead mothuh@#ckers

Good luck with that. Not only will you be malnourished, but you won't be able to run away from zombies for more than 30 seconds without taking a 1 minute breather.

[erikebbesen]

-A positive attitude. It can affect all of your survival and the survival of others
-Water, three quarts per day, for cooking and washing
-Hand-pumped water filter
-Four replacement filters
-Iodine and/or purification tablets
-Canned food, three cans per day
-Two portable electric stoves, one is not enough of course!!
-Advanced medical kit
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered flashlights
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered and/or solar-powered radios
-Extensive tool kit, including sledgehammer, ax, etc.
-Lime and/or Lemons to prevent scurvy
-Bleaching powder in sufficient supply to maintain a latrine.
-Fifteen emergency flares. (You'll probably **** up the first 14)
-Thirty-five inch chemical light stick.
-Two sets of ear plugs
-Extensive library of manuals, including a general disaster manual
-air freshener (if you cant bathe)
-deodorant stick as it will last longer
-cd player and cds or iPod
-4 packs of aa battery's
- sawed off shot gun with 20 shells(its a very common weapon):clap::clap::clap:

[Bob]

You going to hang the air freshener around your neck?

[erikebbesen]

idk i was a last minute idea plus if your with others and you guys are smelly:puke: u got it!

[CAVU45]

-A positive attitude. It can affect all of your survival and the survival of others
-Water, three quarts per day, for cooking and washing
-Hand-pumped water filter
-Four replacement filters
-Iodine and/or purification tablets
-Canned food, three cans per day
-Two portable electric stoves, one is not enough of course!!
-Advanced medical kit
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered flashlights
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered and/or solar-powered radios
-Extensive tool kit, including sledgehammer, ax, etc.
-Lime and/or Lemons to prevent scurvy
-Bleaching powder in sufficient supply to maintain a latrine.
-Fifteen emergency flares. (You'll probably **** up the first 14)
-Thirty-five inch chemical light stick.
-Two sets of ear plugs
-Extensive library of manuals, including a general disaster manual
-air freshener (if you cant bathe)
-deodorant stick as it will last longer
-cd player and cds or iPod
-4 packs of aa battery's
- sawed off shot gun with 20 shells(its a very common weapon):clap::clap::clap:

Damn! Good luck ruckin' all that shit. You'll be worn out inside a week and be throwing most of that crap away.

[erikebbesen]

Damn! Good luck ruckin' all that shit. You'll be worn out inside a week and be throwing most of that crap away.

hey i have a truck ;-)

[hotlead]

-A positive attitude. It can affect all of your survival and the survival of others
-Water, three quarts per day, for cooking and washing
-Hand-pumped water filter
-Four replacement filters
-Iodine and/or purification tablets
-Canned food, three cans per day
-Two portable electric stoves, one is not enough of course!!
-Advanced medical kit
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered flashlights
-Two rechargeable, battery-powered and/or solar-powered radios
-Extensive tool kit, including sledgehammer, ax, etc.
-Lime and/or Lemons to prevent scurvy
-Bleaching powder in sufficient supply to maintain a latrine.
-Fifteen emergency flares. (You'll probably **** up the first 14)
-Thirty-five inch chemical light stick.
-Two sets of ear plugs
-Extensive library of manuals, including a general disaster manual
-air freshener (if you cant bathe)
-deodorant stick as it will last longer
-cd player and cds or iPod
-4 packs of aa battery's
- sawed off shot gun with 20 shells(its a very common weapon):clap::clap::clap:

The only things you're gonna need out of that list is the water/water purification stuff, one of the flashlights, the batteries, and the shotgun shells. Leave the rest of that junk where it is, and replace it with stuff you'll really need.

For instance, a list for youngins who don't have access to grownup stuff yet;

A change of clothes, with a few extra sets of skivvies and socks.

An outer water repellant jacket, and a fleece or wool sweater(no cotton hoodies), and a pair of work gloves.

A ball cap and a watch cap.

Food you can eat cold and without preparation, canned is OK if that's all you have, enough for three days. And some snacky stuff to pass time and nervousness, nothing crunchy though. A spoon and a non-serrated steak knife from the kitchen.

Water and filter or flavor pills(iodine tablets).

Wool or fleece blankets, poncho liner, or a sleeping bag(leave this unzipped).

A nylon poncho or two and some nylon line.

A basic first aid kit, most folks wouldn't know how to use an "advanced FAK"

Matches in a waterproof container and two smallish candles.

A pocket knife or leatherman type thing(with can opener).

A small shovel or E-tool and a roll of mountain money in a big ziplock bag.

Flashlight and batteries.

A backpack to hump it in, and a hiking stick or something like it.

This stuff will keep a kid self sufficient for a while, and not such a burden to any group that may pick him up. 'cause my guess is, that most of the youngsters won't be slaying too many zombies, but the hiking stick can calm fears of being totally helpless, and is usefull in the dirt.

We have a similar emergency bag for my Nephew, who stays with us often, he's in charge of keeping his gear up to date, and that the clothes in it still fit him.

[CAVU45]

hey i have a truck ;-)

You won't always have gas or even be able to use the truck.

[erikebbesen]

You won't always have gas or even be able to use the truck.

agreed i will rewrite my gear k?

[kiltedninja]

Erik, this is a semi-basic hiking pack, it weighs about fifty pounds, and some of that stuff you can go without.

REI hiking pack
Butane stove
Extra can of Butane
Matches(fvck load of em)
Rain Shell & Fleece
Five days freeze dried food
coffee beans
coffee maker(attaches to my water bottle)
2X One quart canteens
water pump or purification tablets
steel cup and/or camp pot
folding shovel
small candle lantern
Extra candles
Sleeping bag or blanket
Sleeping Roll
Tent
Firearm and at least one box of ammo
Knife
All the essentials are highlighted you could go without most of this, but it's what I carry backpacking, minus my firearm. If you're looking for a lightweight stove, try and find an alcohol stove.

[poke2000]

Everyones lists is basically the same. All of us wouldn't have a problem with gear. If it even came down to it we would have one hell of a co-op. But here is one, what would you carry on yourself for eveyday use? I have with me a travel wallet from Spec-ops. Inside: survival cards from Brunton with water compass, credit card knife & kit, credit card lock pick set, My version of the International translator, kordon condom (They dont make these anymore) and 2 tabs of iodine. I also have An Iphone with many files & aps on them ranging from the PMJB to my high school chemistry notebook. Last of of all I carry an Victorinox Swiss Army knife, Leatherman Wave, CSI Tech Led lite & Laser from Kmart, Butane Torch with a thermometer on it (Get one from Japan), Mini-Torq master driver (Also from Japan), Good ol Durasheers just like on TV and an rough & tumble solar digital sports watch. All Im missing is some bubblegum & duct tape.:evil:

By the way, If anyone knows where to find kordon condoms, please Email me. These make good reliable containers.

The lock-pick anyone can find on-line. A word of advice. If you manage to find one those Mini-Torq master driver playing with the spring loaded mag pick-up to many will only weaken the spring (These things are rare). I'll post link for some really cool stuff when I find it.

[Bob]

Here is something to think about.

Most Americans are overweight.
They will get over it.
The hyper adrenalized activity and lack of junk food will cause the pounds to disappear.
Take extra smaller sized clothing or else you are going to wind up wearing clothes taken from a half rotten zed.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Here is something to think about.

Most Americans are overweight.
They will get over it.
The hyper adrenalized activity and lack of junk food will cause the pounds to disappear.
Take extra smaller sized clothing or else you are going to wind up wearing clothes taken from a half rotten zed.

What do you think is going to happen to me?

The main source of food I'll be rucking is a 25lb bag of rice. I've been reading books about people who were tramps out west and they lived off of 25lbs of rice for at least a month until they could scrounge up more food.

[mattifikation]

Supplement that rice with dandelions, yo.

They grow everywhere, and they're packed full of nutrition. I was reading about it the other day. I was quite surprised.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Supplement that rice with dandelions, yo.

They grow everywhere, and they're packed full of nutrition. I was reading about it the other day. I was quite surprised.

Makes sense. And if you need a little garnish for your dandelion salad, you can sprinkle pine needles ontop. They taste like cloves and have plenty of goodies health wise.

[kiltedninja]

Pine needles make a good tea.

I'll probably bring something simple like rice as well. It'll add to my food weight, but it's not gonna matter too much.

For my EDC I carry in my pockets my zippo, wallet, carmex, bandanna, cell phone, one of my knives. if I have my backpack, it's my Ka-bar or First Strike(William Wallace), a 24 oz. canteen with cup, a sweater or jacket, compass, and matches as well as all the stuff in my pockets. If I don't have my pack, I'm carrying my Swiss or my Gerber.

[Bob]

Pound for pound it is hard to beat dry rice.

[Darkness]

"Cream of Wheat makes a lot with a little as well." :)

[erikebbesen]

Supplement that rice with dandelions, yo.

They grow everywhere, and they're packed full of nutrition. I was reading about it the other day. I was quite surprised.

i heard you can make coffee with them too

[bandits1]

i heard you can make coffee with them too
You can make coffee with dandelions?

[Darkness]

"It's not considered 'Coffee', it's considered 'Tea'." ;-)

[ERiKDude]

I heard drying the roots and crushing them into a powder can be used as a coffee substitute.


Here's the article (http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0011Lt)


I'm lazy and don't feel like reading all of it....so i don't know how much is bunk or not.

[Dave Of The Dead]

How about mashed potato flakes? I'm sure that would add some taste to your meals so you don't get bored. You should also think of bringing some cool-aid or something of the like. Add just a dash and you got yourself a tasty drink that isn't JUST water for once. Not to mention plenty of salt and sugar. Without that, your body is effed.

[kiltedninja]

So, a lot of people have mentioned knives, waterbottles, the stuff you'd think about. What about hats, bandannas, and things like that? I had a keffiyeh, and I'm ordering one when the pay day comes about, they're popular in the middle east for a reason, I wore mine when we had our wicked ass winter storm last year, and it's just a handy thing to have.

[rogeneck]

ya ill just stick with my pith helmet

[kiltedninja]

How bout covering your neck?

[slayer1222]

I have a very nice balaclava to cover my face and I also have a scarf for my neck

[CAVU45]

So, a lot of people have mentioned knives, waterbottles, the stuff you'd think about. What about hats, bandannas, and things like that? I had a keffiyeh, and I'm ordering one when the pay day comes about, they're popular in the middle east for a reason, I wore mine when we had our wicked ass winter storm last year, and it's just a handy thing to have.

I bought one and learned how to wrap it after I experienced my first sand storm in the ME. It became and indespensable part of my kit. The miltary neck gator works in a similar fashion only it's easier to use and lighter.

[erikebbesen]

its cold were i live so this seems like a go optionhttp://i32.tinypic.com/19ats7.jpg

[Bob]

Once upon a time I tried to learn to drink water flavored with unsweetened Koolaide.
I did not succeed.
The water tasted god awful from the purifying chemicals and I suspect the storage tanks but unsweetened koolaide was worse.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Unsweetened koolaide? Just thinking of that puts a bitter taste in my mouth. Doesn't it usually come in the containers sweetened?

[hotlead]

its cold were i live so this seems like a go optionhttp://i32.tinypic.com/19ats7.jpg

The repopulation of the planet will suffer if you don't drop the BCGs.

[kiltedninja]

I bought one and learned how to wrap it after I experienced my first sand storm in the ME. It became and indespensable part of my kit. The miltary neck gator works in a similar fashion only it's easier to use and lighter.

My dad got one when he served in Desert Storm, and he regretted not bringing it with him when he left for Iraq, there was a huge sand storm in Kuwait while he was there and probably has a new one.

[CAVU45]

The repopulation of the planet will suffer if you don't drop the BCGs.

*L* Still cooler than the ones the Army issues now. Those have to be tinted to make them cool, kinda like a Blues Brothers look.

[hotlead]

No kiddin', The ones my Brother got at MCRD San Diego were those sports type ones with an elastic strap that goes around your head.

His DIs showed him how far they could throw those BCGs more than once:scare:

[kiltedninja]

I don't really need my glasses for anything other than reading. I can see well enough without them.

[CAVU45]

No kiddin', The ones my Brother got at MCRD San Diego were those sports type ones with an elastic strap that goes around your head.

His DIs showed him how far they could throw those BCGs more than once:scare:

*L* The Army issues these really ugly tortoise shell glasses. I used them for target practice.

[erikebbesen]

honestly the glass were for my myspace pic lol but you grt the point right

[hotlead]

honestly the glass were for my myspace pic lol but you grt the point right

Don't worry about it, chicks dig BCGs.

[CAVU45]

Don't worry about it, chicks dig BCGs.

And remember, they're laughing with you, not at you.

[erikebbesen]

lol who new chicks liked 3d glasses

[mattifikation]

One of these would be cool to have:

http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/lights/bb89/?cpg=103H

[kiltedninja]

I recently got my Keffiyeh, and I'm totally stoked about it.

[CAVU45]

I recently got my Keffiyeh, and I'm totally stoked about it.

I don't bother wearing mine anymore. Too many people treat them as a fashion statement now.

[kiltedninja]

I don't bother wearing mine anymore. Too many people treat them as a fashion statement now.

I wear mine, but I don't give a damn about fashion. I look presentable, and usually I'm better dressed than most people, but it's no fashion statement.

[CAVU45]

I wear mine, but I don't give a damn about fashion. I look presentable, and usually I'm better dressed than most people, but it's no fashion statement.

Cool. So you wear it for its intended purpose then.

[Bob]

Have a lot of sandstorms out there in Oregon do we??? :evil:

[Stankynuts]

What I plan on having by end of next year (haven't decided on specifics):
30-06 Hunting rifle with 10 extra mags (preferably higher capacity)
.45 cal handgun with 5 extra mags
800 rounds for 30-06
400 rounds for .45

What I have now:
10" combat/ survival khukuri
8" buck knife
4" skinning knife (for small-large game)
Whet stone and other sharpeners
.22 revolver w/ 1000 rounds
Gun Cleaning kit
4 bandannas (for use as extra bandages or misc. uses)
Leather jacket
Steel Toe combat boots
300 ft of rope
Books of knots
Canteen

I'm sure there is more stuff, but at the time, this is all I can think of.



dude you know how much 300 feet of climbing rope weighs? thats like 60-70 pounds. Id say around 20-40 feet max