Where Will You Hold Up?

[STRAINOfInfection]

Just a simple question I've been working myself over. And it got me thinking, what would you do?
Hole up in some abandoned house and attempt to live out your life in peace, or take to the road with friends and family, or by yourself. Or seek refuge in numbers? Fleeing where ever which way evacuee's and refugee's are heading?

Personally for me, I'd quickly take to the road with my F-150 and a few close friends. Other then the fact that I live in Austin Texas which is SUPER DOOPER hilly, an infection would be slow and quiet. But I'd still take to the road within the local road ways. I'm just wondering what you all'd do.

[Zombie_215]

Depends on the situation...

What level of outbreak are we talking about?

[STRAINOfInfection]

Ohhh...let's say, Beginning of "The Great Panic", if you've read World War Z. If you haven't "The Great Panic" is when the zombie sh*t REALLY hit the fan. Mass numbers of Zack (Zombies)began overrunning everything.

[Father Time]

I would take the following steps:


Take a minute to soil myself
Regreat that I souled myself
Go out to the shed behind my house and find a shovel
Dig a hole 2 feet in depth and 1 foot in diameter
firmly place my head in the whole refered to in step 4
carefully fill in the whole reffered to in step 5 with the dirt generated by step 4
Sit calmly and wait for the whole thing to pass


No one can deny this is a fool proof plan! ostridges have been doing it for millions of years and they seem pretty on the ball! :loon:


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[Corpse Grinder]

Hmmm...
Ostrich steak and Father Time steak will look and taste the same to a zombie!

http://www.nikkish.net/jeff/blogpics/080605_ostrich02.jpg

[retro zombie killer]

Corpse Grinder-

That steak looks delicious. Yummy!!:drool:

Ohhh...let's say, Beginning of "The Great Panic", if you've read World War Z. If you haven't "The Great Panic" is when the zombie sh*t REALLY hit the fan. Mass numbers of Zack (Zombies)began overrunning everything.

I read World War Z and I'd probably hide because all the Zombies or Zacks would be chasing the fleeing populace up North. I'd then start towards the Rockies. Hopefully like the book ounce I got there I'd be safe. If not I 'd go toward the ocean. So I'd be running food except at first when I'd be waiting for all the other folks to run.

[Corpse Grinder]

If I'm running from zombies, does that make me a fast food? :)

It all depends on the situation that's been answered on different threads, but I prefer to be somewhere safe with a lot of defense and food and ammo. But if I have to move, I prefer in the day and maybe out here in the San Gabriel Mountains. I know alot of trails and fire breaks, and if I had others so we can take turns keeping watch, then the tops of ridges would be good. Hopefully the steep climb and the loose dirt and rocks will hinder the zeds. And when the snow comes in, there's a couple of mineshafts that might be good or the ranger towers.

[Father Time]

Hmmm...
Ostrich steak and Father Time steak will look and taste the same to a zombie!


I wonder what zombie task like??? :think:

If I'm running from zombies, does that make me a fast food? :)

Not really, you couldn't have been that fast if you are getting eatten... :lol:

[vortec1]

In my part of the country I would try to stay as mobile as possible fairly open country plenty to scavenge.

[Barbara]

Honestly, I dont see me trying to survive during or after the zombie outbreak so....im taking cowards' way out and swallowing a bottle of some kind of harsh medicine to avoid all this.

[vortec1]

Honestly, I dont see me trying to survive during or after the zombie outbreak so....im taking cowards' way out and swallowing a bottle of some kind of harsh medicine to avoid all this.

Well, BARB you were tuff enuff to wrestle that Zed into the cage you'll be fine.:)

[Barbara]

Shucks Vortec, thanks for the confidence. Ok....maybe I'll at least try to make it :D

[retro zombie killer]

Don't sell you self short Barbara. Just because your screen name is Barbara doesnt mean you would go all to pieces like the original Barbara. I'm sure you'll surprise yourself. Save those pills for me though because if anything happened to my kid- wait actually I'll shoot myself in the head. I wouldn't want to O.D. on pills and come back as a Zombie. Romero might be right. You just might die from anything and become a zombie. So I'd go with a bullet in the head if anything happened to my kid and I didn't want to live which I probably wouldn't. I need to stop depressing myself. Everything should go fine as long as we all stick to our plans.

[vortec1]

Shucks Vortec, thanks for the confidence. Ok....maybe I'll at least try to make it :D

Thats it BARB never give up. Who knows you might be the one watching my back against the the ZEDS.

[STRAINOfInfection]

It's a typical human mindest, "Damn I could never handle something like that" and then BAM, you've killed four shambling corpses and ripped the arms off of two...

[Barbara]

Thats it BARB never give up. Who knows you might be the one watching my back against the the ZEDS.


Hells yeah, back to back brotha.

[zmbvan]

Since there have been many survival threads recently I thought that we should have a thread dedicated to this.

There are zombies and mass hysteria all around. Once you have collected all of the supplies, weapons, and materials you need, you must then decided where you will go from there. Whether it will be an old abandoned fort, mall, grocery store, church, hospital, or even your own home, you must find the best possible location for survival.

Personally, I would want to stay out in the country in a farm house. Build a wall around the farm house using old fences or haystacks. Then you set up a sniping position on top of the house to spot the few zombies that would be approaching the farm. Being out in the country you could see for miles in every direction. You would be able to farm on the land during the summers and it would be virtually impossible to get surrounded out in a field. This would be my first choice.

A prison would be a really good place to hold up in, just like the Walking Dead. That would be one of the best places you could possible hold up in for the obvious reasons: Fencing, food, riot gear/weapons, and land to farm on.

Were else do you think would be a reliable place to hold yourself up in?

[AN OLD SHOE]

well as a temporary place to hold up while everyone in the streets is going crazy...i would hold up in my field....we live in a big city but i have an acre of land with a 2 story shed back there...i would hide out in there until the hysteria is gone and its just me and the zombies....then i would go to a wholesale wearhouse..its like a costco but its called something else...and it only has one entry point! woohoo:clap:

[blaje]

I Would just improvise, depending on where i was. If I was in the city when it happened i would chill somewhere there, and if i was in the country id take a farmhouse.

[Evil Pug]

You need two plans for survival. The first plan is for the short term survival right after a zombie outbreak. It's best to stay put in the first days until it's a little safer to travel on the roads. If your in a city its going to be next to impossible to get out. The roads will be blocked with traffic. Best to stock supplies while waiting it out. The long term plan is to start a new community of survivers. The farm idea is a good one. Stores will run out of supplies and you will need to learn to live off the land. Living inside a prison would work. You could work the fields during the day and sleep in safety during the night.

[Victor Clark]

Sleep safely in a prison? I wouldn't be comfortable in one of those places without zombies!

I would stay away from all the obvious places to get supplies easily (Wal-Mart, grocery stores, gas stations, gun stores, etc). Anyone who sees the undead walking around will go to their nearest store to get food and other supplies, along with hundreds of other people at that same store who will bash the other person's skull in for that last case of toilet paper. Not to mention all the people who are uneducated about the undead and go to the packed stores with infected wounds, spreading the disease like wildfire!

I would try to find places that have a lot of supplies to last myself a few weeks during the first days of the outbreak, but are also inconspicuous to people to think would be good survival locations. Places with lots of junk food and not much else like bowling alleys, fast food locations, arcades, coffee houses and movie theaters (especially great because they only have one main window) are fine examples of temporary post-outbreak hideouts. I would also try to find houses that were unoccupied & for sale before the outbreak, so I wouldn't have to worry about any of their past residents trying to come at me with their teeth from the broom closet. And finally, I would try to find refuge in the country sides, with open spaces to walk freely in and grow plants within a barricaded area.

[mass casualty]

I was thinking a sports stadium. You could lock down the stadium and keep the zombies outside. You would have lots of room and a big field to raise crops and animals on and in the zombies did break through you aren’t not trapped in a small building or house.

[AN OLD SHOE]

a sports stadium is a fantastic idea...except there are so many entrances..and the entrances are big..it would take a long time to barracade..but once you got that place together..its golden...

[mass casualty]

a sports stadium is a fantastic idea...except there are so many entrances..and the entrances are big..it would take a long time to barracade..but once you got that place together..its golden...


Most stadiums have those gates that can stop riots of people. They should hold the undead back long enough to reinforce the gates.

[AN OLD SHOE]

good idea...and you could live in the sky box or whatever its called...the vip lounge too...i might do that when z-day comes...:clap:

[mass casualty]

HHMMM SkyBox, Free drinks! WOW

[zmbvan]

The only problem with a stadium is that once a zombie does reach inside whether it be and infected among your group or that I zombie just walztd in you would be trapped. No escape route whatsoever, I wouldn't want to be in that position. Besides you saw what happened in New Orleans, right? A stadium would be a horrible location due to the excess of people that would flock to it. Also, if you have read the Zombies: Eclipse comic they are in a stadium for awhile until people start to go nuts and kill each other. Staying in a confined space for extended periods of time would end up in complete turmoil.

Victor Clark has a good idea with the Movie Theater. No one would think about going to the movies during an outbreak. There is plenty of food there and only the one entrance, and if needed there are emergency exits located all over the place. I never thought about it, but now I have one more plan just incase. :)

[Faran Brigo]

I'd head for one of those small, relatively self sufficient towns around Appalachia. Lots of armed survivalists there too, as long as none of them have gone undead, fascist or fundamentalist, I'm good. If that's not an option, I'm heading as far away from population centers as possible.

[DarthJoe8]

I was thinking a sports stadium. You could lock down the stadium and keep the zombies outside. You would have lots of room and a big field to raise crops and animals on and in the zombies did break through you aren’t not trapped in a small building or house.

I think that law enforcement and the military would use stadiums to stage emergency response. It just might be the worse place to be.:think:


Faran has the right idea i think.

Head to the sticks. Less people = less zombies.
And those people know how to survive. They're typically the last people to get connected to power during storms. They need to be very self reliant. And like he said, they all have guns.:)

[mass casualty]

Do you really think that armed survivalists are going to let a stranger into their compound during a zombie outbreak or other national crisis?

[Faran Brigo]

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, can't hurt to try. Having something to offer, in the way of skills or hard to come by equipment or supplies would give you some bargaining capacity. Not all survivalists are Davidian-like. Even if they don't, that general area is probably the safest in all of north America, discounting the Canadian tundra, but I wouldn't know how to make it up there.

[AN OLD SHOE]

depending on the type of theatre i would go to a theatre...the 2 i am thinking of have 2 entrances and a large window...but they have 2 floors...that could be a bas of operations..just board up the weak spots with cars or semi truck trailers like in dotd78 and then you can make raids to get more food and supplies...


EDIT: what about a fire station? have you ever thought about those? brick building...huge garages...with huge cars that have water cannons...you can fight off zeds with water cannons....they are always atleast 2 stories tall and have no windows on the bottom floor really...they have some food and beds to sleep...aswell as tv's and radios

[Victor Clark]

EDIT: what about a fire station? have you ever thought about those? brick building...huge garages...with huge cars that have water cannons...you can fight off zeds with water cannons....they are always atleast 2 stories tall and have no windows on the bottom floor really...they have some food and beds to sleep...aswell as tv's and radios

I can see a fire station as being a good safety location. The only problem is that most public places would be used to hold the wounded and sick in disasters, which includes post offices, schools, police stations, hospitals, and fire stations.

[Zombreach]

I would choose a well-stocked underground bomb-shelter. Complete with generator, air-purifying system, good books, challenging cross-word puzzles, plenty of water and food, and good friends/family.

Did I forget anything? Oh yeah...vodka and bloody mary mix!

[Barbara]

I would say my basement. We have storm doors, which im sure the zeds cant get past, so If I need to escape I can.

If I re-enforce the door leading to the basement, im pretty sure I'll be ok.

[zmbvan]

I still have to go with a farm house. Not saying that all of the places listed aren't good choices, but I don't think I would want to be stuck in the city limits. What if the government actually got their shit together and decided it was time to clean house. Dropping a bomb on big cities would be their best bet for the eradication of the virus. Then they could just sweep the country side for the stragglers with clean up crews.

I also think that going up in elevation as high as possible would be close if not better than a farm. With a mountain you have the advantage of stopping anything that tries to come up and the higher you go the harder it is for the zombies to function due to the cold temperatures. The only problems I could see with a mountain are: You need a place to live, how will you get your supplies up in a reasonable amount of time, and if the dead do begin to climb the mountain and somehow surround you there is no back door to escape. Unless you go down the other side of the mountain, but who could do that without the proper equipment.

[Faran Brigo]

I'm not buying into the "zombies freeze" thing. If the temperatures are low enough for body freezing to ocurr and impair their mobility, they're much more dangerous to us living humans. Not to mention it will create some logistical problems: you need to eat twice as much just to stay warm, you need to melt water, and it will be quite hard to move around. To top it off the snow may very well serve as concealment for a not-quite-frozen ghoul waiting to bite through your ankles.

Plus improvised shelter won't do, you'll need to find a place already built up, in good condition and unoccupied. You simply don't have the time (and possibly the materials) to fix or build a place up before you freeze to death.

[zmbvan]

I just think that because zombies are not pumping blood that their bodies could be very vulnerable to the cold temps. Anyways I agree with you on the mountain thing. There are just to many variables to consider.

What about at the end of Planet Terror where they all fled to the coasts, where they were building a giant boat? That doesn't seem to be a bad idea. Life on the sea, eh, i suppose that is not a good idea either. Unless one can solve the drinking water problem, but that is unlikely.

[detpat]

you mean with water distilling? water desalination......already done.

[zmbvan]

Yes, but on a ship? Aren't the desalination plants quite large?

[detpat]

do you think that large navy vessels have gigantic fresh water tanks. they desalinate. you can distill sal****er into fresh water by solar means or even straight boiling.

[detpat]

i can't believe that this damn filter censors salt water as one word. AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHh

[zmbvan]

Interesting. It makes since now that you point it out. So i suppose the ocean would be an excellent escape from the undead. As long as you can comendear and operate a navy ship :lol:.

i can't believe that this damn filter censors salt water as one word. AAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHh

That is strange. What program is doing that?

[detpat]

it's a filter on atz that does it, i think the damn stupid thing thinks I'm trying to say t w @ t for some damn reason.

lots of civvie side ships do it too. you would need to consider the fuel problem first and foremost.

[Faran Brigo]

I just translated a paper on desalination actually. Most of the stuff for mass consumption runs on spray distillation or reverse osmosis membranes and often needs chemical additives, but you can improvise your own desalinator that runs on simple sunlight with plastic materials and a condensation screen. It should be enough for one or two people considering a gallon of freshwater output per day, but it would be pretty large.

BTW you need a whole crew to run a ship. People with previous experience would be good, a mechanic is definitely a must.

[Evil Pug]

Elkins, West Virginia. It's the town where I was born. I have plenty of relatives that still live there, so having a place to stay would not be a problem. Everyone in that town knows about farming and how to hunt and fish. Hell, they close the schools there for deer hunting season!

[BelowTheMorgue]

I would hold up in the school near here the doors are easily bared and they have a fully stocked cafeteria which would keep me going for a while. The only problem is its a big school and i would need to find a way to hear all the doors in the scholl because you wouldn't be able to hear all the doors. which of coarse is slightly problematic but hey nothings bullet proof

[Victor Clark]

I would hold up in the school near here the doors are easily bared and they have a fully stocked cafeteria which would keep me going for a while. The only problem is its a big school and i would need to find a way to hear all the doors in the scholl because you wouldn't be able to hear all the doors. which of coarse is slightly problematic but hey nothings bullet proof

I too have considered my High School to be a suitable location to survive a zombie outbreak, but there are 3 problems to consider: # One was what you said about trying to get every inch of that large of an area secure in a small amount of time, which is very difficult even for a large group of people; # Two is that since it's a big school, it probably holds a lot of students, so you probably wouldn't be the only one to think of going there (and who knows, maybe one of the people fleeing to the school would be infected), and that could result in some problems when in times of conflict; and # Three is that most public places like schools (and other places I mentioned in my post on page 2) would probably be used by government officials and organizations as a safety shelter for people who are scared and wounded (which means infected, a very bad combo when with crazy living people), so it would be ground zero when an outbreak arises in the school itself.
And just so you know, I'm not trying to crap on your idea, but it's best to think of alternate plans in case you go the school and see it's on fire and full of zombies inside. If you can manage to fortify the school before anyone else comes, it could be a good shelter.

[Commander Ambrose]

If Zombies took over the world where woul you go and what would be your defenses?

I'd go to Northern California (Zombies=freeze) with Girlfriend and friends. We'd find a high building and hide there. You'd Better have flares of fireworks to warn us that your not zombies. Also my defenses for the building would be:

Line 1: Trip mines and underground Explosives with help from World war 2 mortar(From Friends. Ammo from Girlfriend).

Line 2: Snipers and more trip mines plus spear pits and mortars too.

Line 3: Two modified turrets made of Nail guns and Snipers.

Final: ME and my buddies and all our weapons.

[zmbvan]

There is a thread for this topic here. (http://allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545)

[ZombieWriter]

i work at a manufacturing plant and there we have a ton of like metal sheets and hard plastics along with a built in back up generator and the walls are made up of brick the whole way through there is only one set of windows on the ground level and the others are at least 20 to 30 feet above my head and im 6'2
all the doors going from the outside in are metal so they can be welded shut my work also has multiple power and non power tools for just about everything and chemicals for when you need to dispose of a zombie body quick. :evil:

[ZombieWriter]

if you had the chance to get a set of apartment buildings they are 3 stories tall there are 21 diffrent buildings in the complex along with a recreation building and
a swimming pool and hot tub there are plenty of trees inside a.nd the streets are very narrow. on one side of the apartment complex there is about 1 acre to mabye 3 im not exactaly sure but it quite large it takes me about 15 minutes on a longboard, and 10 on a bike to cross it before it hits more plots of land where people would be present but even thouse houses and buildings are near the outskirts of a city which has more of this wildlife land that i have been trying to explain. the land is for recreational use bikeing running walkng and skate boarding there are a series of paved trails that follow a river which also flows just on the other side of the apartments. just on the back of the apartments like 50 feet from the buildings there is a small lake type pond... this area with some careful sweep and clear method that i have properly and carefully planed ( if you want to know this send me a email or something cause its a long story but its quite good ). please think about this and give me your thoughts on things like flaws pros cons things that could go wrong and also how you think youd run the place. please take this into consideration has i am just like every other Zombie enthusiast trying to write a series of books based on my home town and the people that i know in any given situation of a last attempt at survival against the undead.



p.s. please excuse the fact that this all sounds very cliche and mabye even like a broken record but it would be very helpful to me if you would thank you.

[BelowTheMorgue]

I would deffinatly talk over the docks. I would try to get as large an area asd i could because (depending on where you are) you would have an almost everlasting food supply if you were capable of fishing and an escape rout at all times in case of a perimeter breach that was too out of control to handle. The boats would have a smaller but similar stock on them just in case of that emergency. Plus when the summer would come the property you have sectioned off would be more irrigated for plant growth and natural foods.

[fester_hicks]

I will hold up in my hometown of 2500 in rural Kansas, in an old grain elevator. Its VERY tall, made of thick concrete and HUGE. It would be easily defendable, has many floors and space for lots of people. Also has an enclosed parking area.

I envision getting some locals with tractors to move some old railroad boxcars around to weak areas.

Top floors would gave ziplines to lower buildings in the area in case of a security breach that actually made it to the top floor.

All concrete stairwells would have drop metal doors, that would secure soundly from the inside, with gunports.

As the buildings abandoned, I would be alittle easier to start stockpiling items when the "news" first started coming down.

More on this later!

[AN OLD SHOE]

that sounds like a great spot...im coming with you!!


i live in a huge city....my city has a million people in it..a little over that

the streets and roads will be blocked up with cars and traffic and stuff...so im deff gonna stay in the city i know best and hold up in a wear house or the mall down the street from the wearhouse...i basically get to choose whatever...there is a movie theater maybe a block away from the mall...and the theatre is huge so i might use that as my base...

[fester_hicks]

Im telling you, it being a smaller place, out in the middle of nowhere, if you had a week or a month, DAMN... it could be a goooooooood place to hold up, for a LONG TIME!

I envision 4 wheel ATV's for quick scouting locally and some dug out, long and wide, trenches for burning.

Also, as theres a COOP fuel station right up the road, I'd be driving that fuel-truck into my upcoming perimeter.

I'd say in a fullout attack, it would spread from the cities to the countyrside slower at first. So i'd have to worry more about locals wanting into the fortress and TOUGH decisions would be in the immediate future, who survives, who dies, etc..

[AN OLD SHOE]

see when you find your spot...only tell the few you want in about it..and tell them a secret way into the spot....and lay low and quiet so nobody finds out about your spot or anything...just lock down your spot good and keep eyes around the perimeter so nobody gets in...most likely everyone is gonna wanna be the boss...:x

i have 3 spots in my city which i have planned to secure so i can change spots if need be...and imnot letting anybody know about them or get in...you have to be of the most importance to get in...let alone find out im in the secured zone and live to tell about it

[fester_hicks]

I like the idea of nail guns. Very Road Warriorish! But they will only work so long without power.

People had better wake up to the fact that your not going to be using conventional explosives. It will be all hand-made stuff. Start reading up now on how to make it and employ it.

[fester_hicks]

I have always had an idea of setting up barricades and funneling the Zeds into dug out pits or channels, getting narrower and narrower until theyre bottlenecked in and then dousing them with gas and starting the BBQ!

[EliteDragonX]

Well, I live in Canada, and a really cold part of it as well, so Zombie-sickles
for 8 Months! My lines of defense would be,

1- Long Range Sniper Support from the roof. Bolt actions, lightwieght, no bulky barrett semi-auto dead wieghts.

2- Spike Trench, doused with gasoline, so that it not only stops G's from getting close, it sticks em' down, possibly kills em' and if that doesn't work, we Burn the undead Arseholes.

3-Heavy barricades, Cars, Brick walls, Rubble piles.

4-Squad of People with Shotguns,Semi's,.22s,and close combat weapons.

[fester_hicks]

I've thought about secretly putting hinges on the building in key spots and having the metal windows and bars ready to place on in a moments notice, securing the facility quickly and then giving me ample time to get other preparations started.

Vehicles could also be ready to go with "armor" just waiting to slap on it.

If you could see this place and the plans I have for it, you would drool!!!

[AN OLD SHOE]

haha i wish i could see it...im drooling already :drool::drool::drool::drool:

[fester_hicks]

Next time im home, i'll get pictures and post 'em somewhere

[fester_hicks]

Start reading up on medievil defenses and the such...

and find something to move alot of dirt and dig deep holes and ditches!

[AN OLD SHOE]

you thinking of making a castle??

[AN OLD SHOE]

please do :):):)

[Darkness]

"A point about Zombies and the Arctic/Antarctic/Frozen Areas...."

"I would head for the snow, simply because Zombies aren't gonna think about putting on a coat, but I will. Zombies won't think about bringing stuff to build a fire and a shelter, but I will. The main reason a Zombie will freeze long before we do is they no longer have any real sense of self preservation. They just keep walking toward the 'food'."

[AN OLD SHOE]

i would wanna stay in a warmer climate..i wanna be comfortable..and have a little fun and maybe see other people...:)

[Darkness]

"There we go. Now we can talk about the same thing, in the same place." :)

[stonyman65]

I'm not shure where I will hold up. I might hold up in the local mall or at a school or something.

I might even hold up at the wholesale club with AN OLD SHOE since we live in the sme town lol

I migh hold up at home. My neighborhood is easily fortifyable and almost evryone in this neighborhood has guns so that would work. I might just stay on the run and just stop when I need to rest. I'm not shure.

I'll just make it up as I go I think.

[AN OLD SHOE]

im deff gonna stay in my city...unless all of us ATZ members wanna meet up somewhere else in the USA and just be amazing...then i guess i will leave my spot and go to a new civilization

[zmbvan]

I like the arctic idea. Make me think about the opposite.

What about living in trees in South America. Great Temps, lots of food, animals, fresh water, and tribes people. It wouldn't be to difficult to build a solid tree house in the Rain forest. Plus, I think there may already be a tribe that living on the tree tops, but I may be mistaken. Once you built the first few tree houses it wouldn't be difficult to add on and expand throughout the forest. Perfect protection from a zombies reach.

Carnivores could stay carnivores, and vegetarians could stay vegetarians. All that is needed can be located in the Rain Forest. Even medical supplies can be easily found with the right knowledge of certain plants.

Or maybe we could just live under the sea. :lol:

[mattifikation]

I'd prefer to go someplace cold, like Alaska or northern Canada. The reasoning behind that is twofold.

1. I'm going to be wearing several layers of leather and other thick clothing to protect against zombie bites, every time I go outside. Head to toe. Probably with a paintball mask over my face, and some kind of rubber mask under that. (Or a gas mask.) In a cold climate, I should be warm in all that. In a not-cold climate, I'd probably get heat stroke and die.

2. As has been mentioned before, a cold climate is probably one of the worst for a zombie to be wandering around in. I'm not sure if human bodies, and therefor zombies, literally freeze solid, but I do know that a human brain with frostbite is a brain that has been destroyed.

[fester_hicks]

What about to the Pacific Northwest and all the trees?

Why not build a Suspended City, high above the ground. Anyone ever see "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" or simular to the Ewok village.

[skullwarrior]

I'm not shure where I will hold up. I might hold up in the local mall or at a school or something.

I might even hold up at the wholesale club with AN OLD SHOE since we live in the sme town lol

I migh hold up at home. My neighborhood is easily fortifyable and almost evryone in this neighborhood has guns so that would work. I might just stay on the run and just stop when I need to rest. I'm not shure.

I'll just make it up as I go I think.

if a zed outbreak happens look me up im in saint pete florida i wanna be with these nuckleheads in a zed outbreak.:lol::):clap::drinking:

[AN OLD SHOE]

haha florida people for the win!!!

sucks the nuclear power plants will kill us....

[zmbvan]

What about to the Pacific Northwest and all the trees?

You could build a suspended city in the Northwest also, but I still think the Rain Forest of South America could provide more than the Pacific Northwest ever could. Just think of all the vegetation and different species that would be available to you way South of the boarder. Plus, many of our natural remedies come from plants down there, not to mention many ingredients in our pharmaceuticals prescriptions.

About 25% of Western pharmaceuticals are derived from rainforest ingredients. And less than 1% of tropical trees and plants have been tested by scientist. IMO If there was a cure for the zombie virus. The rain forests is the place that would hold the cure.

Why not build a Suspended City, high above the ground. Anyone ever see "Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves" or simular to the Ewok village.

Exactly what I was thinking. :lol:
http://www.nancys.net/village.jpg

What about going down to Antarctica and building a Bio-dome? Not very populated, one large land-mass, hard to get to, and cold as hell. Only problems would be getting the supplies there to build it. And the amount of time it would take to create a fully functional bio-dome.

All we would need is Polly Shore and that Baldwin to run it for us :lol:

[detpat]

if the zeds are in control of the rest of the world where are you gonna get all eh supplies for these ideas? the amazon.......have any of you been there? seen how difficult it is for people who aren't experienced in that environment? It's not just florida with bigger flowers.

You also have a real long way to go to get there, mexico city is between you and there, one of the very biggest cities in the world, more zombies are gonna come out of there than almost anywhere else on earth.

walmart.........you're kidding right?????

[detpat]

Am I the only person here who knows that fleeing to wallyworld is a VERY bad idea? Who else do you think is gonna run there. What are you all gonna do when you all get there at the same time? I bet it won't be have a coke and calmly discuss who gets to sleep on the pre assembled furniture and who has to snooze on the concrete in the mens room!

What alternatives should we be discussing, the superdome and similar? Treehouses? maybe a bug in?

[Darkness]

"Let's keep the 'Where You Gonna Go?' discussions to the one thread. Thank you."

[mattifikation]

Oh, I've certainly argued against Wal-Mart in a zombie outbreak here many times before. I've come to realize that if somebody thinks it's a good place to go, trying to talk them out of it falls on deaf ears.

My outlook now is, if somebody wants to go to Wal-Mart, let them go. They're better off being eaten there than tagging along with me and dragging me down with their foolishness.

[zmbvan]

I am going to stay away from all large depot stores most definitely. This includes Walmart, Scheels, Army Depots, Cabelas, Pro Bass Shop, ect... Of course everyone is going to flock to the major department stores. It seems like common sense, but not in this case.

Now the Superdome is a bad idea for obvious reasons, just look at New Orleans during Katrina. It was trashed within days with litter and human waste. Plus, when people are in large uncontrolled groups trouble soon follows. Whether it is racism, arguments, or power struggles people will create conflict.

[IronJayBee]

Okay, the other day i met my friends at Target one day, we sat down at a table and it was extremly quiet, so my friend Keith though there was Zombies around( dumb **** ) so we started talking about what would be the smartest way to survive a Zombie outbreak, heres what we came up with:

First of all, Grab all the supplies and nessecities we needed along with any weapons we could find.

Secondly, i own a Ford Tahoe, its built like a tank so we would hop in that, head on over to Eagle One, the SWAT supply store at the mall, after that, go straight to Lowes and grab a Generator. After that there is a RV place close to the mall go there and grab an RV, steal as much gas as we can, load up our stuff and get on the road. In an outbreak like that the government would most likly start a countywide Blockade, locking non-infectants in with the zombies so we would have to move as fast as we could out of the Country, I live in North Carolina so we would head straight for the beach. We would do our best to find a Cruise ship because they have 3 years worth of non-perishable food on it generally. There are a ton of islands near the coast so we would just simply find a uninhabited island and try to live there, and kill and Zombies that might infect the area.

Tell me what you would try to do or what you think of mine. []D [] []v[] []D

[Victor Clark]

Your scenario sounds good, but I wouldn't go to any big retail establishments for supplies. If zombies were around, then everyone who hasn't became a zombie yet would most likely head to places like Lowes and Wal-Mart to get everything in sight and kill anyone who has the last whatever they don't have themselves. I would try to get all my supplies at smaller local establishments and places that wouldn't be expected to be good locations for food & shelter.

[BelowTheMorgue]

The one thing all zombie movies have in common is people hiding out and trying to stay sheltered from the walking dead. I was wondering what all you guys think where the best ones? Places like LOTD was cool but they got totally wrecked because of just how isolated they were. So lets hear what makes a good place to camp and what makes a bad one.
To start mine would be Day Of The Dead - As long as you didn't have any arsholes running the place it would have proving a fully effective hideout, as long as you were inside, no one could get in. Underground is perfect, if you have an escape route.

[Behemoth]

As long as you didn't have any arsholes running the place

Wishful thinking:)
If you can find a place underground, yeah great, but how? Not exactly common to find empty survival bunkers. From reading other posters on this forum i have come to agree an island is the best bet.

[fester_hicks]

undergorund bunkers...

I know of some old missle silos in central KS. I know of at least ONE of them that a millionare remodeled into a very swank pad.

Probably be a damn fine place to hold up!

[Behemoth]

undergorund bunkers...

I know of some old missle silos in central KS. I know of at least ONE of them that a millionare remodeled into a very swank pad.

Probably be a damn fine place to hold up!

Yep, no doubt with very swanky security features for just such an occasion as a zombie outbreak, my guess, he'd have more than just a keep out sign:)

[mattifikation]

I wouldn't mind having this place to live... zombies or no zombies:

http://www.luxuryrealestate.com/761946

[zmbvan]

Wow, nice. Too bad that is $24,624,490 out of my price range.:lol:

[DarthJoe8]

"A point about Zombies and the Arctic/Antarctic/Frozen Areas...."

"I would head for the snow, simply because Zombies aren't gonna think about putting on a coat, but I will. Zombies won't think about bringing stuff to build a fire and a shelter, but I will. The main reason a Zombie will freeze long before we do is they no longer have any real sense of self preservation. They just keep walking toward the 'food'."

The lack of a circulatory system doesn't hurt either.:lol: They will most diffidently freeze. Coat or no coat.

I will be heading north if I need to.:drinking:I hate warm beers.:drinking:

[mattifikation]

What about on an island, in the middle of a waterfall?

The normal problem with islands is that zombies could walk under water and come get you, like in land of the dead. The other problem is zombies washing up on shore by sheer random chance.

Well, putting up a simple fence and keeping some guns around would solve the second problem. But what about problem number two?

Simple! Choose an island where any zombies wandering into the water will be swept far, far away.

Imagine zombies trying to get you if you were on Goat Island in Niagara Falls:

http://www.richard-seaman.com/USA/States/NewYork/NiagaraFalls/HelicopterTrip/AmericanFallsAndGoatIsland.jpg

I see two bridges that you might want to get rid of, and that's about it.

[fester_hicks]

I was a Combat Engineer in the US Marine Corps and Sir, I can get rid of those bridges pretty quickly (laughing in an evil laugh)

[fester_hicks]

Whats the other sides of that island look like???

Looks like limited area for agriculture.

HOWEVER, I love the look, as it is...

AND I CLAIM THE LOWER QUARTER OF THE ISLAND!

[mattifikation]

That's pretty much the whole thing. Here's another view of the island:

http://www.niagarafallslive.com/images/goat_island_aerial2.jpg

[Darkness]

"Without the bridges, that actually looks like a decent place to hold up. If you have a helicopter or two, Supply Runs won't be so hard either."

[DarthJoe8]

Could be cool.:) Looks like a neat place. Plenty of fish to eat.:drool:

I just hope Zeds don't swim.:scare: Stupid swimming Zeds.:x

[zombieuprising]

zombies would sink since they are dead and don't drown they can walk on the bottom of the ocean untill the pressure gets too deep or they can fill up with gas and float to the surface ><

[Darkness]

"Not to mention that the current running through those waters can crush a ship." :lol:

[mattifikation]

The place is so close to perfect it almost has to be used in a movie. Maybe they could leave the bridges in place as a plot device. lol.

[Shadowalker191]

Only problem with Goat Island is that on the south side the water depth is only 3 feet. Come winter you would have a problem, the America side of the falls almost completly ice over giving you approx 1.5 square miles of open area to watch over. Winter and the zombies would not be the problem, it would be the influx of survivors trying to get over.

[mattifikation]

Shucks.

I thought Niagara Falls had more water than that :-(

[vortec1]

"A point about Zombies and the Arctic/Antarctic/Frozen Areas...."

"I would head for the snow, simply because Zombies aren't gonna think about putting on a coat, but I will. Zombies won't think about bringing stuff to build a fire and a shelter, but I will. The main reason a Zombie will freeze long before we do is they no longer have any real sense of self preservation. They just keep walking toward the 'food'."

I agree Darkness they will freeze in the north witch I'm like right there with my team WE've had trainning! Canada your about to get some Imagrants until we pass into Alaska! Me home land!:)

[fester_hicks]

SCREW the cold..I'll take my chances in the ATZ ewok village, up in the Pacific Northwest

[RogueAI]

I was sitting in the second story of the Shewmaker Center looking out the big glass window at a water tower across my school's campus. It is a fairly big tower with twelve support columns holding a large oval water tank. The tank is three-six stories high and with atleast as great a radius as my house- all suspended ten-fifteen stories in the air. From the center of the water tank drops a wide diameter tube. On the top of the tank and where the tank connects to the tube are two platforms.

My idea? Convert it into a house and Z-Day shelter. The tube that water flows down could be converted into an interior elevator and staircase; its wide enough. Windows could be added using window-picture film to make them appear nonexistent. Solar panels could be added to the "roof", and you'd have plenty of room to store food inside. The best part is, no body would ever look there! Shortly after the power goes out all the water that you would think was in there would go bad! Just hide the ground-floor entrance some how.

Any ideas for other abnormal shelter ideas or comments about my own?

[Victor Clark]

It is indeed an interesting concept for a shelter, but I think it would take way too long to empty the tower, alter it with all the features you mentioned, and supply it before zombies would catch up on you. If you got an abandoned one and fixed up 5 to 10 years before the outbreak, I think it could work very nicely (although it would be really expensive).

[Devon]

Thats cool. I would of never thought of that

[Webber]

I was toying around with the idea of heading to an airport months after an outbreak and living in a plane on the runway. Thats the weirdest one I came up with.

[RogueAI]

It is indeed an interesting concept for a shelter, but I think it would take way too long to empty the tower, alter it with all the features you mentioned, and supply it before zombies would catch up on you. If you got an abandoned one and fixed up 5 to 10 years before the outbreak, I think it could work very nicely (although it would be really expensive).

Thats the idea; think about how impressed a date would be? And imagine the view. Who in there right mind would want to spend a million or two fixing up one just to wait till Zombies show up to live in it? ^_^

As for the money, hopefully won't be an issue. I plan on being a billionaire before to long. ^_^ Web 2.0 bubble 4tw!

[fester_hicks]

a water tower? I dunno. Your environment might have a say in that plan. For example, here in Kansas, you would have tornados to deal with possably, as well as lightning strikes.

It's an awesome plan though... don't get me wrong.

When I worked at the prison in Ellsworth, they have a water tower almsot right next to the main gate, SORT snipers use it in case they need to take a shot at someone. I could see using it as a temporary outpost but not longterm.

BUT HEY, thats my opinion!

[RogueAI]

a water tower? I dunno. Your environment might have a say in that plan. For example, here in Kansas, you would have tornados to deal with possably, as well as lightning strikes.

It's an awesome plan though... don't get me wrong.

When I worked at the prison in Ellsworth, they have a water tower almsot right next to the main gate, SORT snipers use it in case they need to take a shot at someone. I could see using it as a temporary outpost but not longterm.

BUT HEY, thats my opinion!

I may be wrong, but I think they are designed to stand up to tornatoes. The one I am talking about is not your standard tall thick water tower. It is a bulb at the top of a support structure. There would be plenty of room for the wind to go around the water tower with limited resistance met. I think it would hold steady because of that. Oklahoma does, however, has a lot of minor earthquakes (so small you don't feel them). If we ever had a big one, I'd be screwed.

[kai055]

i think i could hold up in my house well for a couple of weeks with having to go for supplis because mainly all the food in my house is dried or in tins that can be eaten cold.

[kai055]

wat would people if it started when u were asleep and u woke up in the morning and u could only stay in ur house:poo:

[Lian]

I'd almost prefer it happen at night.

One I don't sleep much.
Two I'm a light sleeper.

So either I'm awake or get woke up by them eating my neighbors I can get my family together and out the door hopefully avoiding traffic of the initial panic.

[Lian]

I'd been entertaining the idea of heading south and moving into some cliff dwellings down in Mesa Verde. The things were designed and made to withstand siege so why not put them to their intended purpose again? Get a steady water flow going, do some farming off the top of the mesa, I'm set.

I've also been thinking about the Black Canyon National Park.. Again for the cliffs, I don't see why I couldn't fashion my own cliff dwelling I'd have a nice big river for water, good country, a whole forest full of building materials.

[surviveordie]

i would take up a nearby annex/school. it has brick walls, steel doors, rooftop access, food, and few windows on the ground floor with a courtyard in the center with the only access point is from inside of the building. this place is perfect, it might take some ammo to take it, but once held is a prime place to gather survivors and retaliate against the zed attack. it is near the stores and far from most of the major community. it has a large parking lot that surrounds the building so there cant be any zeds hiding in the grass. waiting to snatch you.

[Darkness]

wat would people if it started when u were asleep and u woke up in the morning and u could only stay in ur house:poo:

"Stop making new threads until you actually read the content of the index AND the existing threads. You don't need to make a new thread for every aspect of a conversation."

[Lazerbeak]

Okay, the other day i met my friends at Target one day, we sat down at a table and it was extremly quiet, so my friend Keith though there was Zombies around( dumb **** ) so we started talking about what would be the smartest way to survive a Zombie outbreak, heres what we came up with:

First of all, Grab all the supplies and nessecities we needed along with any weapons we could find.

Secondly, i own a Ford Tahoe, its built like a tank so we would hop in that, head on over to Eagle One, the SWAT supply store at the mall, after that, go straight to Lowes and grab a Generator. After that there is a RV place close to the mall go there and grab an RV, steal as much gas as we can, load up our stuff and get on the road. In an outbreak like that the government would most likly start a countywide Blockade, locking non-infectants in with the zombies so we would have to move as fast as we could out of the Country, I live in North Carolina so we would head straight for the beach. We would do our best to find a Cruise ship because they have 3 years worth of non-perishable food on it generally. There are a ton of islands near the coast so we would just simply find a uninhabited island and try to live there, and kill and Zombies that might infect the area.

Tell me what you would try to do or what you think of mine. []D [] []v[] []D

A small problem with your plan that could be lethal...... I think many RV's run on diesel rather than gas. You'd be in a wolrd of trouble if that turns out to be the case with the RV you snag.

[ryanzombie]

There is a shopping centre about 10 minutes drive from my house which is built ontop of a carpark (so it isn't easiy accessable to zombies on the ground). The only roas access to it are the busways which can easily be blocked. The buiding is made out of brick and there are no windows and all the doors can be locked and I would pul the shutters down for extra protection. Theres loads of food stores there so that wouldn't be a problem and it's a simpe layout (1 floor of shops going in a square shape).

I'd basically grab my family and friends drive there begin locking everything down and making sure the area was safe then I would live there until things pass over. If things go bad theres a bridge eading towards an Asda (WalMart) just 5 minutes away which would be a good back-up plan.

[Thing]

http://www.lpengineers.com/images/port3_8a.jpg

St. Patrick's Parish Church in my home town.
It's just about 4-5 blocks away.
What can I say, I am a romantic. :shotg:

[Behemoth]

There is a shopping centre about 10 minutes drive from my house which is built ontop of a carpark (so it isn't easiy accessable to zombies on the ground). The only roas access to it are the busways which can easily be blocked. The buiding is made out of brick and there are no windows and all the doors can be locked and I would pul the shutters down for extra protection. Theres loads of food stores there so that wouldn't be a problem and it's a simpe layout (1 floor of shops going in a square shape).

I'd basically grab my family and friends drive there begin locking everything down and making sure the area was safe then I would live there until things pass over. If things go bad theres a bridge eading towards an Asda (WalMart) just 5 minutes away which would be a good back-up plan.
Yeah, that maybe a good place to go, but you have not mentioned how you intend on clearing out the zombies already inside the shopping centre. It has been said before, wallmarts, asda, fred meyer, marks & spencer what ever large supermarket you choose to hole up in would result in you becoming one of the undead you were running from. Unless you have a plan you can share.

[ryanzombie]

Yeah, that maybe a good place to go, but you have not mentioned how you intend on clearing out the zombies already inside the shopping centre. It has been said before, wallmarts, asda, fred meyer, marks & spencer what ever large supermarket you choose to hole up in would result in you becoming one of the undead you were running from. Unless you have a plan you can share.

Good point I hadn't really thought of this. As I live 10 minutes from the place I guess I thought it'd be pretty safe to go after hearing about first signs of an outbreak.

It'd be pretty hard for me to clear the place out aswell. Guns don't come easy in the UK and there are no "Gun Stores" for miles I would guess so I'd have to rely on melee weapons. I suppose I should re-think my plan.

If I got enough people (I'm expecting about 10-15 of my family and friends to try and make it there with me, all wielding weapons it wouldn't be so hard if the amount of zombies was ony small (It's pretty complex to get inside if you're a mindless zombie so I would think only those that got infected there or just wandered in would be a problem).

Just incase though I'm going to think of a back-up plan now with my friends ;)

[RogueAI]

I'd been entertaining the idea of heading south and moving into some cliff dwellings down in Mesa Verde. The things were designed and made to withstand siege so why not put them to their intended purpose again? Get a steady water flow going, do some farming off the top of the mesa, I'm set.

I've also been thinking about the Black Canyon National Park.. Again for the cliffs, I don't see why I couldn't fashion my own cliff dwelling I'd have a nice big river for water, good country, a whole forest full of building materials.

If the Mesa is a plateau or some other structure the zombies can't get on top of, and if you can get water up there I think you may have found literally the best plan ever. It certainly is better then the prone to flooding caves around here.

ATZ rally point, anyone? ^_^

Edit; After looking at Black Canyon, I think that'd be better. The Mesa has plenty of routes zombies could use to get clmib up. I've never personally visited either though, so I could be wrong.

A small problem with your plan that could be lethal...... I think many RV's run on diesel rather than gas. You'd be in a wolrd of trouble if that turns out to be the case with the RV you snag.

You can tell from the outside pretty easily which RVs are diesel. In almost all cases, Gas ones would be preferred because they tend to be smaller and easier to drive. Those big RVs are actually a pain in the ass to drive if you are not experienced. My escape car is a little B-Class RV; its the size of a van. No offroad ability though.

I think the main problem with his plan is that the people who normally crew those ships will probably have the same idea and leave before he arrives. If, by some act of the divine, the ship is still there they require a number of people to crew (not including optional folk like the cleaning staff).

[Behemoth]

Guns don't come easy in the UK and there are no "Gun Stores" for miles There are no "gun stores" full stop. What area are you in? i mean south, midlands, north etc, if you are close to a rural area you should have no problems ( when a zombie outbreak occurs ) acquiring at least one firearm & some ammo.

[jim96sc2]

Just a few hundred feet from my house is a constuction company. Fuel storage, lots of large trucks, bick reinforced brick building with steel doors, and a 12' chain link fence around the perimeter. Across the street from that is 3 acres of flat land surrounded by a 4-5' berm on at least 3 sides. Easy enough to make into a field for growing that will be somewhat protected from wandering dead. 3 major supermarkets, 7 gas stations, a home depot, and a lot of other random things (linnens and things, best buy, etc) all within 2 miles of me. Most within 1. I figure i'm pretty well off. The only downside is that I'm next to a highway.

[Slash Maraud]

This is one of the best places to hold up during any Zed event. The location is very rural and literally in the middle of nowhere. Cost is the major problem but if a group wanted to consider the purchase of such a facility, it would be well worth it.

Check out this place:

http://www.missilebases.com/

[jim96sc2]

This is one of the best places to hold up during any Zed event. The location is very rural and literally in the middle of nowhere. Cost is the major problem but if a group wanted to consider the purchase of such a facility, it would be well worth it.

Check out this place:

http://www.missilebases.com/

I've always considered the underground options very foolish. Above ground gives you a lot more viability then those rat traps. Not only do you need sunlight, but it allows for harvesting and mental health benifits.

[Lian]

IDK, Underground is much easier to defend, and while sunlight and such does play a factor for some ppl I for one could gladly live the rest of my life and never see the day star again.

[mattifikation]

What do you plan on eating for the rest of your life?

[13hollowpoints]

Bad thing about underground hideouts is exits. Usually only one, at most two. Get a pile of zombies at both ends, you're trapped. And not so easy to defend, gravity pulls zombies down...into holes...underground. Ever try fighting somebody above you on stairs? Not easy. You can only reach their feet, they get your head. All else fails, they just jump on you and ride you down the steps! :x

Warehouses are good safehouses. Especially pharmaceutical distributers. All entrances are steel doors with heavy locks. No windows, except the office front, and that's seperated from the rest of the warehouse by another steel door. It is federal regulation for them to be so secure to protect the narcotic drugs inside. They also have OTC (over the counter) items i.e.; soda's, bottled water, candy, snacks, beef jerky... Everything that CVS and Walgreens has. They also have a narcotics cage. It is a heavy gauge steel cage bolted to the floor with a steel ceiling. Bolt cutters won't get through, a torch will. But a zombie definitely won't. And if the warehouse somehow got overrun and you were trapped in the cage, you could just o.d. on morphine. Or numb up enough to plug your brain with a bullet. Problem is most are in industrial areas close to heavily populated areas. I was a warehouse manager at one, believe me, noone gets in that isn't supposed to.

[13hollowpoints]

"zombies would sink since they are dead and don't drown they can walk on the bottom of the ocean untill the pressure gets too deep or they can fill up with gas and float to the surface "
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Depends on what kind of zombie. Classic non-breathing re-animated could walk the bottom of the ocean forever. Pressure would have no effect on them. Pressure only effects air filled spaces. Since they don't breathe, water would fill their sinus cavities and lungs, preventing them from collapsing.
You are right, methane from decomposition could bring them up to the surface if it isn't exhausted from an orifice. But decomp gases usually bloat the stomach which would travel up the windpipe. So you'd have underwater burping zombies.

The newer zombies or "infected" which are just crazy living, would just drown if unable to effectively swim. Not much of a problem.

Ooh just thought.... The ocean floor has many sheer vertical cliff faces, so zombies could end up stuck in a bowl in the bottom of the ocean with no way out.

[Lian]

What do you plan on eating for the rest of your life?

The point was more that living in a dank dark hole isn't going to hurt my moral any. Never said anything about not having a way to farm for food, or retreating underground to never set foot on the surface again...I was simply stating that if I never went outside during the day again for the rest of my life I wouldn't really care. Due to things like plants liking sunlight though I'm pretty much forced to have to live with the sun though, however during winter months when nothing grows I'd have no problem retreating into my cave for three long months and eating the fruits of my labors.


As for getting trapped inside due to poor design of your under ground shelter that for some reason only has one way in or out...how is your small walled town becoming surrounded and laid under siege by the zombie horde any different? :loon:

The smartest thing would be to prevent that from happening to begin with by dispatching them in some way before they amass in the kinds of numbers your describing, and if doing that is impossible than having a way to kill the damn things outside your door, from relative safety has to be some kind of priority too, and if neither of those is possible...why did you decide to stay there in the first place? :doh:

However a valid point was brought up that fighting uphill battles is hard, tiring and dangerous, on that note though proper planning and design structure could easily implement that so it's not a factor. Actually direction I'm going is elevation is a advantage for you, so you should use it in your favor. Even in the earliest of days man realized that if you get up higher it's harder for things to kill you. This goes way back to the evolution of man even where we slept in tree's to hide from predators.

So, short term shelter aside and going into more long term shelters you should have a place that gives you a height advantage over those you don't want to let in. I'm picturing cliff dwellings, these were perhaps the ultimate design in siege warfare your way above your enemies and they have to climb in order to get you. In any scenario where you have to figure potential enemies can be by practical terms infinity being higher gives you the edge to fight them off.

Sooooo....long and short my ideal shelter would for practical purposes be if I carved a fortress into the side of a mountain. Without getting into the long and short of it you can realistically keep digging deeper and deeper for any space you need your entrances should be either elevated and you get to them by elevator or climbing or something or if they are lower they should be well strengthened and you should be able to cover and clear them out from above.

Really if you want to get into itty bitty details of these things you should study and learn from ancient castle and city designs. And as with all things in life there is no simple answer, and the question just gets more complicated. You want to know the truth I could go on for pages and pages about what you'd need to do, problems you'd come across and how to solve them, difficulties and advantages of reestablishing civilization. But I'm not going to in the scope of this thread, hell I couldn't really I'm talking human history for the last 5000 years now. And I'm getting tired so I'm ranting so I'll stop... One simply needs to go out there and learn for one's self though.

[13hollowpoints]

As for getting trapped inside due to poor design of your under ground shelter that for some reason only has one way in or out...how is your small walled town becoming surrounded and laid under siege by the zombie horde any different?




As long as you have some strong doors to keep them out until they get bored and wander off, it wouldn't be bad. But if Murphy's law kicked in and they entered a one exit underground shelter, you're screwed (if their numbers are too large for you to overcome). A walled town is better because you have 360 degrees of retreat angles. A hole in the ground you have to follow the hole, you don't just randomly pop up through the ground. Although ROTLD zombies don't seem to have a problem doing it!:roll:
How many towns in America have walls around them anyway? That's not very feasible.

Also, it doesn't take many bodies (zombie or human) to overwhelm a single person if they a rushing forward. If there are 5 zombies on the other side of a door and it's just one person holding it shut, the results ain't gonna be good.

A nuke plant wouldn't be a bad place to hole up. Especially if some plant operators are still there to run the place or at least shut it down safely. Nuke plants are surrounded by high fencing with barbed wire and have motion detection all around the perimeter. The vehilce entrance is a double gated cattle herd setup, outer gate opens, you drive in, gate closes, then inner gate opens. If you drive in from a supply run with a hostile clamped on your roof, drive through the first gate, gate operator can blast the intruder off the vehicle, then safely drive on in.

Spent fuel rods aren't dangerous as long as they are sumberged in water. That shields the radiation. They don't heat the water because they aren't currently activated by boron, causing the reaction. The reactor core does need to be shut down, because that is where the action is. But once the control rods are removed, the fuel rod goes inert, water stops boiling.

BTW, I've been a commercial diver since 1995 and have been in many reactor rooms and spent fuel pools. Actually swimming in them. No rod in the reactor at the time of course, but spent fuel pool was loaded up.

No zombie could ever get through all the doors and locks there are to get into the inner buildings. And with all the radiation vegetables oughta grow huge, no?:lol:

[Slash Maraud]

For those of you who didn't visit the site about decommissioned missile silos, here is one version of what can be done with an Atlas F silo. Construction is ongoing for this project, it started in spring of this year and its planned by the company, Blue Sky, to be completed by winter. Cost is only 25mil. There was a question about what to eat, the bottom level can turned into a gardening area or hydroponics.

It has always been the intention of Blue Sky Construction to undertake major construction projects, which surpass typical ‘Grand Design’ projects and create a truly unique home of epic proportions. These types of properties are aimed at individuals who are seeking the ultimate in home security, personal space and personal security in a way never before achievable.

World’s End is a declassified ICBM (Intercontinental Ballistic Missile) launch facility buried two hundred feet into the Kansas (USA) countryside. Built for the American military to withstand a direct nuclear attack, this facility originally cost the US Government tens of millions of dollars to construct and fit out. De-commissioning of these sites followed the end of the cold war hostilities to conform to Treaty Agreement with the former Soviet Union that continues to up the present day. The World’s End facility has remained unused and in mothballs until now.

With Blue Sky’s innovative approach this once unusable space has become an appealing and attractive proposition for use as a home for those people who are keen and interested in their personal safety and security. Equally the facility can be used for commercial purposes, research or storage of valuable items, company files, records, art treasures etc in this hermetically sealed environment.

As can be imagined, gaining entrance into World’s End is practically impossible with walls up to fifteen feet thick of heavily re-enforced concrete and steel, blast doors up to six feet thick and up to 150 tonnes in weight buried up to 200ft deep underground into the surrounding countryside.

General Layout

World’s End is positioned on a site some 20 acres in size of which 5 acres with a barbed wire topped chain link security fence with substantial gates as the first noticeable point of security. The site is covered by a comprehensive and extensive network of Color and infrared night vision CCTV systems with localized and remote 24 hr monitoring.

The World’s End site is nestled in a secluded and elevated position with mainly prairie grass and outcrops of small dense pine trees and scrub marking the entrance to the development. Extensive planting will take place immediately surrounding the site at the end of the construction project to further disguise the entrance to the entry portal of World’s End.

The entry portal has been re-modified to allow a new hangar deck and parking space for Helicopters and RV’s / SUV’s (Recreational Vehicles / Sports Utility Vehicles) although there is nothing above ground level to suggest the large-scale site that exists beneath the earth’s surface.
This is were the fun begins!

Watch in awe as the massive hangar entry portal hydraulically lifts up taking with it a section of the outside ground and scrub coverage, with six foot thick covering of earth, trees and vegetation. At the rear of the entry hangar is a twenty tonne steel armour plated blast door with the main hydraulic lifters concealed behind the door and the door closes flush with the back wall, this conceals a further doorway (the main entry point to Worlds End) which is an additional six inches thick steel re-enforced door. An electronic dual interlocking system allows access through these main doorways.

The hangar walls themselves are made of an additional one metre thick re-enforced concrete which a 1-inch thick steel shield surrounding this concrete wall, which is then covered by thousands of tons of surrounding earth. More than enough to withstand the attentions of any persistent intruder.

From the entrance door well you then proceed down two flights of stairs then through two more blast proof pressure doors leading into the former command centre itself.

The Command Complex

This former command complex has two levels with approximately 2500 sq ft of floor space, not including the stairwells and vestibule, a large enough space for three bedrooms with ensuite bathrooms and an adjoining emergency exit. A separate staircase has also been built into the design to the lower level that contains a large contemporary kitchen, living room and utility plus storage space.

On the remaining level of the Command Complex there are two further blast doors leading into the former silo access tunnel, a 40 foot by ten foot passageway with two more blast door locks leading onto level 2, the Main Silo Complex consisting of 14 individual levels.

Main Silo Complex (14 levels)

During the Cold War this space housed the gigantic Atlas F ICBM Rocket. It now makes way for 14 levels of luxury living space, entertainment sections and storage space.

Here is a small taste of what lays beneath terra ferma…….

The silo itself runs 200ft directly into the earth with a 50-foot diameter allowing for up to fourteen floor levels of varying height in the complex. More than enough room for entertaining space, personal gym, private cinema, swimming pool, additional accommodation space and vast amounts of secure, private and hermetically sealed areas for your own enjoyment or commercial use.


Level 1 – ‘The Penthouse’

Formerly known as the ‘penthouse’ when used by the military with two enormous blast proof launch doors in the ceiling of this level, each weighing over 100 tonnes, providing an airtight super hardened seal from the outside world, opened by hydraulic lifters. Level 1 consists of a loading bay with a 20ft ceiling height, hangar deck, air bio filter system, intake fans, plant and machinery rooms, large water storage tanks, fuel stores and general space for a workshop. A cargo lift is located on this level and provides access to all lower levels within the main silo. The lift is of the standard that you would expect in a luxurious hotel.

Additionally leading from level 1 to level 2 is a loading portal enabling materials to be passed directly through the level.

Level 2 –

Loading bay, water storage, fuel storage, two generator sets with silenced exhaust systems, chlorifier for drinkable water, ultraviolet filter banks, general water filters, plant and machinery rooms, pumps and other heating machinery. There is a complete firewall system that ensures safe exit during the possibility of a fire leading directly out through the command complex.

Levels 3, 4, 5

Open Usage

Level 6

General Storage

Level 7

Heavy Storage. This deck layout is fabricated from heavy-duty reinforced floor sections, suitable for 15kn loads / one and a half tonnes per square metre. This area also has a ceiling height of 12-15ft enabling large heavy goods etc to be safely and securely stored.

Level 8

Cold Stores. On this floor are two large cold store fridges.

Level 9

A purpose built, bespoke high quality personal 15 seat cinema with the latest surround sound systems and latest and most up to date audio visual projection systems, with individual drinks tables next to each luxurious handcrafted leather recliner.

Furthermore there is a large twelve-seater presentation and boardroom with the most up to date audiovisual presentation systems.

Level 10 – Operational Room

Control / Radar / Communications / Surveillance.

Level 11 – Gym & Training Room

Keep fit in this multi purpose space with a comprehensive arrangement of fitness and workout machines with sun beds, televisions, the latest music systems and massage beds etc.

Level 12 – Accommodation Level

The Presidential Suite, fitted to a five star standard with 3 bedrooms and an open lounge / kitchen space with ensuites to the bedrooms dining room and study complete this level.

Level 13 – Swimming Pool

This pool complex consists of a 10-15ft deep pool and 50 ft wide area with a raised area to include a diving board, Jacuzzi, Sauna and Drench Shower. This raised area hangs 5ft above the water line. The plant room is located on the main deck away from the swimming area, with toilets and changing rooms set to one side of this floor.

Emergency Lighting Systems within World’s End

The entire complex is fitted with emergency lighting system with a built in battery back up, these lights will illuminate all floors, service shafts and tunnels in the event of a fire or other catastrophe for many hours after the event.

Directional indicator lights mark each exit portal and dual spot light units will light up all other large areas and tunnels.

In the event of a power failure from the national grid a twin generator back up system comes into operation, until normal external power source is restored.

Fire Alarm Systems within World’s End

As in the case of the emergency lighting systems, the fire detection system which includes the detection of smoke, gas releases and fumes etc will be monitored at each and every level of World’s End. The master and sub alarm system will locate the source of each problem and then alert all personnel within the complex by voice over transmissions on the internal PA systems as well as an actual fire alarm sounders itself. Fire fighting hoses and power jets can be accessed on most levels with additional fire extinguishers available on each level and auxiliary areas. The multiple levels within the main silo complex and command centres have standby breathing apparatus (BA) and mask equipment in illuminated wall cabinets for easy access with an integrated noise sounder so that even in a smoking environment the ventilation equipment can be safely reached.

Sprinkler systems are also installed in certain areas that are considered higher risk. Additionally, fire doors are fitted throughout to enable areas to be sealed off for two hours, providing more than enough time for anyone to exit World’s End. In total there are three emergency exits in the main silo and additionally, to enable the inhabitants of the complex to exit safely in the event of a fire or other disaster.

The in built ventilation system has auto fire damper shut valves and extra fire sampling detection built into each room intake. Also the system enables the automatic opening of all portals and emergency escape hatches, providing quick and easy exit from World’s End.

This comprehensive network of fire and emergency lighting systems ensures that in the event of a fire or disaster within World’s End, wherever you are, your personal safety is still ensured.


Frequently Asked Questions & Answers.

Is it Cold within World’s End?

With all of the heating systems contained within World’s End, you will be warmer than you can imagine, even in the harshest winter outside you can achieve temperatures in all areas up to 80 degrees possible.

Is it dark and gloomy?

You may well need your sunglasses when you enter World’s End, the lighting systems have been designed to suit each and every level, from soft subtle lights in the living areas and bedrooms with LV and LED Chromatherapy technology lighting, to larger strip lighting systems in the plant and machinery rooms. Equally, if you wanted to have absolutely no outside light in any of the areas (i.e. Storage Areas) to protect and preserve valuable possessions and documents, this is also easy to achieve.

Is it damp and wet on any of the levels?

The only damp and wet place you will find will be the swimming pool at the bottom of the main silo complex. All other areas are dry, as you can imagine would be required from a former missile site.

Is there sunlight down there?

The only sunlight available is when the main silo doors are opened at the top of the complex (these are opened by large powerful hydraulic rams). However 360 degree camera systems relay outside images to large plasma screens in all of the living areas, each carefully positioned behind virtual reality windows and curtains, to provide the feeling of living above ground with the inherent security of living in World’s End.

Can I communicate with the outside world from World’s End?

A comprehensive telecommunications system has been installed to allow for normal communication to anyone you want outside World’s End, with cable, wireless, internet, aerial and satellite systems all providing you with the most comprehensive communications possible from the site.

Can I be locked out or in World’s End?

World’s End has a comprehensive network of systems allowing for backups in the event of any disaster or power shortfall, thus enabling easy access both in and out, even in the most challenging of conditions.

For security purposes you control who comes in and out and the systems provide the back up for you.


Is there any clean drinking water within World’s End?

We have installed a deep water well reaching down over 1000ft into pure clean aquifers; these allow clean water to be pumped into huge water retaining tanks. This water is then purified further and piped directly to the necessary parts of the complex as and when you need it.

The swimming pool which is 50ft wide and up to 15ft deep, can in the event of an emergency also be purified using a complex arrangement of carbon and ultra violet filters to top up the main retaining tanks.

What about fresh air, won’t the air get stale inside?

By comparison the outside air will be dirty when compared with the air contained within World’s End. Thanks to a complex biological and carbon filter system, this extracts all dust, gases, fumes and any chemical substances as well as other unwanted traces in the air and pumps clean air through the entire World’s End complex. Additionally, there is an arrangement of water spray banks that scrub any air pumped into the complex before being distributed to each layer of World’s End.

This is not only essential for any human inhabitants of World’s End but also for any essential documents or records which are stored as well as priceless artworks or other possessions which require careful temperature and air regulated storage.

Can you isolate incoming and exiting exhaust vents?

Yes, the one foot thick blast valves can hydraulically open and close to seal off the outside world if required. There are two intake and two exhaust outlets that are concealed down their own deep shafts and entry through these vents is impossible.

How long can anyone live in the complex for without interacting with the outside world?

This is really up to you. There is enough storage space within World’s End to allow a whole team of people to live happily for many years without interacting with the outside world.


The choice of what you do with World’s End is really up to you!

Visit the site to see the artist's rendition.

http://www.missilebases.com/

[milliondollarbbw]

Have you ever gave serious thought to where you would stay if there were a zombie outbreak? Would you stay in your home or a friends home or try another location altogether?

I always thought that accept for possible poor air quality, that a bank vault would be a prime location.

And what about the hidden room in Diary of the Dead? Do you think a hdiden safe room would work in reality or would the zombies know you there even if they can't see or hear you?

[jagus12]

In that secret safe-house that you've said, wouldnt zombies be capable of smelling you?

[milliondollarbbw]

that is what I think....that would be able to smell or sense us.

[Umbrela]

But if you hole up in a bank vault, how are you supposed to get out?

[milliondollarbbw]

Wait for someone to come rescue you?

Personally, I am fearful of being nomadic during a zombie outbreak. I would rather try and wait it out if possible.

[kanUsurvive]

I think the vault would be a good place to wait it out. The zombies are just dead versions of us. Their senses don't get stronger because they are zombies. We can't smell people in vaults so a zombie couldn't. They could possibly hear us but not smell us. So I would wait it out in one if I had enough food and water. :drinking:

[jim96sc2]

I think the vault would be a good place to wait it out. The zombies are just dead versions of us. Their senses don't get stronger because they are zombies. We can't smell people in vaults so a zombie couldn't. They could possibly hear us but not smell us. So I would wait it out in one if I had enough food and water. :drinking:

I'm hesitant of throwing myself somewhere that I couldn't live for an extended period of time. A bank vault doesn't even have a toilet... so better have one big bladder/colon.

[kanUsurvive]

I'm hesitant of throwing myself somewhere that I couldn't live for an extended period of time. A bank vault doesn't even have a toilet... so better have one big bladder/colon.

HaHa True I never thought of that. Well, I guess I would go with taking my chances at moving from place to place. Like in Resident Evil Extinction.

[Jimmy]

A place on the outskirts of a semi-large city. Far enough out that I won't attracted anything, yet close enough that I could make trips into the city to loadup on supplies.

[zmbvan]

This thread has many good ideas where to stay/hold up in case of an outbreak
http://allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

[martenbroadcloak]

I'm fairly lucky about where I live in case of outbreak (as lucky as anyone in a world with zombies can be). My town is between two of our capital cities (in Australia) and we have large warehouses for supplying supermarkets like coles and woolworths in alot of the country area just on our outskirts, not only that but there's a magnetmart (hardware store) just two blocks from my house, it's got 10ft chain fences with barbed wire on top and high solid fences running around it. I couldn't think of a better place to be. there's enough timber to build a 15ft high bridge from the store to the supermarket a block away.

[DemonChild]

My residence is on a large plot in the middle of nowhere. I'm probably just going to fence it off with an 8' concrete barrier and put electrified razor wire 'round the top. I'd also probably have a modified vehicle to go and supply runs. Not to mention that if they do climb the fence, the current going through that wire's going to fry them. If it'll kill a human, it'll cook a zed because they don't have sense enough to back away.:evil:

[Dave Of The Dead]

Personally, I would rather move from place to place. What happens when you run out of supplies or if you actually do hole up in a place in which you later find out that you can't get out of. My temporary shelter would be a second story house where I could demolish the stairs.

[aegis1071]

Jail!!! Think on this ladies and gents, a county jail building. Here is a structure that's only purpose is to keep people/things in...so it stands to reason that it would be a great place to setup shop with security in mind of keeping things out! Overcoming/controlling the jails doors and operating systems/mechanisms would need some work and thought, but look what you gain:

1. A building that's structually hardend against all but the most extreme attack or break in with reinforced concrete walls; one or two well protected access points; and shatter-proof reinforced windows.

2. Most modern county jails have in-place power generators; the equipment on the roof for some pretty complex communication abilities; and built-in support equipment that originally supported the inmates (kitchen, bathrooms, gym.).

3. Clearing/checking the jail out for zombies would be pretty simple, as once you've got the computers up, you can use the jails internal cameras to inspect the whole interior from one room. Those same cameras can be used to monitor activate outside as well as most jail have exterior cameras mounted.

4. Jails are inheritedly designed to minimize large scale movement when needed, meaning you've got the ability to seal a wing/corridor/room in the unlikely event of a break in be zombie folk![/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/FONT][/B]

[garthaman]

I've already posted about my secret place on another post, but i'll go ahead and go in more detail about it here.

I've decided that my place is an old shack that my family owns in the historic district (which means that no one can add-on, take-away, or destroy it without both my, and the governments approval.)

The shack is located ontop of a large hill overlooking the countryside with the highway comming into the city. Although this might be a slighty obvious place, the only way to see it would be comming into the city, and why would anyone do that. People would be moving out instead of in.

The shack itself is made of wood, with a tin roof. Attached to the back is a rainwater collector which is directly connected to a sink on the inside. There is also a small room on the outside which looks like a perfect place for a generator, and could most likely be outfitted to be accessed without exposing myself. The shack has a sewage tank, which I can easily modify to just have it dump onto the outside (its gonna fill up eventually, and just having it run down the hill is better than having it overflow). The windows are barred up, and the doors have been rienforced to prevent current-day looters.

There are also rafters, which I can climb up to on a ladder, and climb onto the cieling through a hatch I installed. This allows for a better view-point.

Tell me what you think about it :D

[milliondollarbbw]

But how structurally strong is a shack? and what if enough zombies make it to the shack? then what?

As for the smell issue...in Return of the Living Dead the zombies could smell the brains :(

[DemonChild]

I think the only reason that they chose brains was for a plot device...I mean, zeds would probably not care if they were munching brains or buttocks, just as long as they're feeding... There are probably going to be some without a nose, which kinda screws their sense of smell...if you think about it. But as long as you can properly fortify the place and construct a rather sturdy barrier, I think it's a great idea. Though, if you're unable to fence it off or anything, it's not good. It just depends.

[mattifikation]

Wow.. historic district. I'm not sure how sturdy that shack would be - I'd prefer something made of brick or stone myself - but the fact that you found a place that the government can't easily take away from you is awesome.

I've always wondered how pissed I'd have to get if I spent a fortune fixing up the perfect zombie (or any other survival situation) property and then the gubmint used "eminent domain" to take it away from me.

[DemonChild]

I'd tell 'em to go screw themselves and then start shooting. But that's just me. That's why I've got my own place with my own materials, and my own money to do it with. So, as far as I'm concerned, Uncle Sam can blow it out his ass.

[Ap0calypt1k]

what about a cellar? only one way in, most people store vegetables and wines in them, easy to barricade, all you would need would be a hammer, wood, some nails, a couple guns and non perishables and water and a few aluminum/wooden bats oughta be all ya need >:)

[odian4]

:evil::evil::evil::x:x:x:puke:What would you do if zombies just came. Tell me your survival kit, weapons, and area of evacuation. I would put in my kit a first aid kit, one of those backpacks that can fir an electric stove, sleeping bags, and other miscalaneus items, matches, and a water purification straw. My weapons would be a 45. magnum, just because of it's ease of cleaning, and a machete. Wal-Mart sells machetes cheap. Then i would escape to the woods making a refugee camp.

[Dave Of The Dead]

My current plan is:
Grab my two swords (crappy ones that will end up breaking within the first few attacks) so I can save my good weapons for later. I have about a 4 month's supply of food and water that i stashed in my basement because I got really paranoid of bird flu last year. I would move that to the second story of my house, and as I am doing that, start filling the bathtubs and sinks in my two bathrooms on my second floor of my house. I would run outside, turn on the garden hose and throw it to the closest window on the second floor so i have running water until that gets shut off whenever. I will have called my girlfriend, her brother, and my two other friends (We planned this out together to meet at my place.) I will begin to take all of the doors off of the hinges after the food is moved and take them upstairs also. Then it is off to the garage, where I find every tool, nail, and screw I can find and begin to take those to the second story also. By then, my girlfriend and friend will have arrived, so we can start destroying the stairs (from the bottom-up of course.) Then after that is done, we take the doors that I removed earlier and nail them to create a make-shift wall in front of the stairs. We cover the windows with sheets and live quietly with the weapons we have nearby and plan for our next destination. I figure that all this work will take about 4-5 hours, so hopefully it isn't a full blown army of the undead walking toward your doorway in less than 5 minutes sort of deal.

[mattifikation]

All of these topics are being discussed in other threads! Why do new members always ignore the Index Thread?!

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15744

[jim96sc2]

what about a cellar? only one way in, most people store vegetables and wines in them, easy to barricade, all you would need would be a hammer, wood, some nails, a couple guns and non perishables and water and a few aluminum/wooden bats oughta be all ya need >:)

And you'd be trapped like a rat too. Something to think about after all the food and water are gone and your ankle deep in your own fecal matter.

[Jimmy]

In my opinion, a place with only 1 way in and 1 way out isn't the best place to be. -_-

[CaptainWow424]

I would have to say that the best place to hold up would probably be an oil rig. Think about it, its miles off shore, its got plenty of bunks, a resteraunt, alot of food stocked up, and even a movie theater! I would definately get a map of the oil rigs near me offline, and then just take out a boat, or steal a cruise ship, which has shotguns on it already :). And i would only come to shore to get more supplies.

[JakAttak]

yea anywhere is better than being a nomad without holding up somewhere you would be targets for thieves and Z's

[Dave Of The Dead]

yea anywhere is better than being a nomad without holding up somewhere you would be targets for thieves and Z's

If you had a safe place and supplies, I think you would be more of a target for thieves.

[Daeth]

im just gonna barricade some building next to a grocery store, knock out the walls, and barricade the grocery store as well. Most grocery stores have truck loading docks, which are locked, and off the ground... hit a button, or in case of power outage leave it semi-open, and lift it when you need it.

[JakAttak]

don't think you're quite right if you have a good hold thieves won't attack and it will be much less infrequent opposed to nomad were you you would be victims of constant random violence

[DemonChild]

It's not that complicated to deal with thieves. Same as zeds only quicker and more intelligent. Just shoot 'em and take whatever they got.

[JakAttak]

yea but it's the intelligence that gives humanity a fighting chance and if you can you should conceal a fortress or make it look abandoned and inaccessible that should ward of thieves and Z's for as long as supplies hold out. if you do it right you shouldn't have to fire a shot

[DemonChild]

You got a point, I mean, my place isn't exactly the most beautiful house on HGTV, in fact, most people think it's vacant, and I still live here. So, yeah....Still gonna fence it off though.

[JakAttak]

oh yea definitely take defensive measures but make sure its concealed my house is half covered with ivy

[terror28]

I live in the suburbs so its a small town called greenhills its not big at all however the way its shaped could proove testing to anyone not familiar with it but heres my question...

Theres a police station and a mall up the street with a bass pro shop. Both have fire arms that would proove usefull in this kinda situation, the question is wich one would be best to go to?

My other question is if you were armed with gun's and you came across a group of law enforcment or a millitary presence would they take your guns away from you?

I still have many questions about survivng an epidemic such as this.
But ill ask one at a time.

[Faran Brigo]

IMO, neither of them.

The last place you want to be at is a police station, it will be either in complete chaos with cops trying to fight zombies and crooks, overrun with the undead, or just full of cops (and they won't give you anything).

The shop's marginally better, but only if you manage to make it there early. If you get there in the middle of the panic, there might be infected survivors turning, or just the general havoc of panicked looting. If you get there too late, everything that you don't need serious tools (like acetylene torches) to steal will be gone, I.E. the guns outside the safe.

Authorities will probably take your guns away and try to herd you into a "safe zone", I.E. a place where they're taking everyone who isn't a zombie (infected people included) and packing them tight together without any weapons.

[Jimmy]

I know I wouldn't take weapons away from anyone unless they were threatening to myself or the others with me. I would say if you could get to the bass shop before everyone started freaking out and scavenging for stuff that would be your best bet. The Police station would be the first place everyone would go so i'd say that's a no go. lol If the military tried to take our weapons away I would say they would have to shoot me because in a situation like this I WON'T be disarmed and ordered to go to a camp or some other bull:poo: like that. I just ain't gunna go out like that. lol >_>

[seeker28]

I live on the outskirts of a small city (50,000 residents). Considering the outdoorsy attitude of the place, a lot of people would be armed. I would be very surprised if the cops/military in this area attempted to disarm anyone. It is a fairly sure bet they would get shot trying. I'm literally a stone's throw from wilderness and know how to survive there.

My major challenge would be figuring out how to deal with my friends and family. Several of them are not in good enough shape to go on a brisk, zombie evading hike in the hills. One is diabetic, so that is an added worry.

Honestly, if I was just concerned with my own survial and nothing else, I would be fine. But with the limitations of caring for my less able-bodied friends and family my best bet would be to find a safe place to hole up for a while where we would have food, water, and a clear view of any incoming zed. At least we would be very well armed.

[terror28]

yea the police station would be over run def. the mall would be too but staying in 1 place for too long with nothing is not a good idea so my best bet would to be to find anything usefull and find a fortified position.

thanks,

the saftey zone as you called it or "Quarantine Zone" would be a disaster not to mention the countless infected or bitten they would bring in there, it would be like a zombie factory because when 1 turns then 50 then a 100..etc..

I have the anarchist cook book so I know how t make certian things if need be but would that come in handy?

Its all about planing and preperations.

[terror28]

I live on the outskirts of a small city (50,000 residents). Considering the outdoorsy attitude of the place, a lot of people would be armed. I would be very surprised if the cops/military in this area attempted to disarm anyone. It is a fairly sure bet they would get shot trying. I'm literally a stone's throw from wilderness and know how to survive there.

My major challenge would be figuring out how to deal with my friends and family. Several of them are not in good enough shape to go on a brisk, zombie evading hike in the hills. One is diabetic, so that is an added worry.

Honestly, if I was just concerned with my own survial and nothing else, I would be fine. But with the limitations of caring for my less able-bodied friends and family my best bet would be to find a safe place to hole up for a while where we would have food, water, and a clear view of any incoming zed. At least we would be very well armed.




Honestly, I know there your family and it would be hard but if I were you id cut my losses, I too know how to survive in the woods and we have a ton of woods here. Your best bet would be to find an isolated spot because if you can aviod the undead then do so, only if your traped or threatend do you need to take action.

Shelter,
Provisions, (food, water, etc)
Weapons,
Common Sense,
Confidence,
Clear Mind,

I think if you have all of these youll be good to go.
i may have missed a few things but all in all you get the idea.

we should team up!

[Faran Brigo]

First things first, take whatever you learned from "The anarchist's cookbook" and unlearn it unless you want to die or lose limbs. It's been a long time since I read it, but a large percentage of it is nonsense that will result in injury or death if attempted and the rest of it is not useful in this case (or in any other case actually).

[terror28]

gotcha i figured it would be usless anyway, i want to get that zombie survival guide by max brooks.

[Iron Knuckles]

I'm going to say stay out of both. If you feel like guns would be a handy things to have, buy some now. I don't think I would wait for an outbreak or worse happens and see if I could steal some from the police station.
Anyways its up to you and you alone to protect yourself.

The last thing I'll say is alot of people think the police or military wouldn't take away weapons. But we all saw what happened in New Orleans.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I really don't think law enforcement or any other government force will try and disarm anyone unless they are a danger to others around them. Like a drunk with two Uzis shooting wildly around them. But in a case like that, I think they would rather just shoot the man and call him a casualty than risk their own lives to disarm him.

[Faran Brigo]

I think they would, if nothing else because of what happened in New Orleans back in 2005. Remember people firing at helicopters and armed gangs roaming the streets at night? FEMA probably does, and will after the Zeds hit the fan.

In other countries, you're not supposed to have guns in the first place so... yeah, probably.

[Dave Of The Dead]

But when the zeds come to town, they really won't care much about armed gangs in the streets, unless again, they are endangering the lives of their soldiers or law enforcement. Shooting at helicopters is one thing, shooting at zombies is a completely different thing.

In a couple Romero movies, it actually shows hicks with hunting rifles side by side with the national guard and police. I think this would be a very realistic event.

[Faran Brigo]

It shows good ol' boys, not "hicks", and that's the key difference: The sheriff probably knows those people personally. Usually in small rural areas the sheriff knows everyone and there's a sense of trust in the community. This doesn't happen in cities.

Shooting at helicopters is one thing, shooting at zombies is a completely different thing.

You misunderstood my point. They will try take away guns to ensure looters aren't running around shooting storeowners or other surivors with supplies, authorities and in general people who are using their guns to fight and kill other things beside zombies.

They will do this because that's the way bureaucracy works, by general stances and policies. IF someone up the chain determines it's a threat to the public to have armed crowds running around (and they will because it IS, many people are not good gun owners in peacetime, let alone during an emergency) they will confiscate ALL guns they come across as a preventive measure.

This is all of course, just my opinion since I'm no cop, only a cop would know what the department would probably do.

[DarthJoe8]

You misunderstood my point. They will try take away guns to ensure looters aren't running around shooting storeowners or other survivors with supplies, authorities and in general people who are using their guns to fight and kill other things beside zombies.

They will do this because that's the way bureaucracy works, by general stances and policies. IF someone up the chain determines it's a threat to the public to have armed crowds running around (and they will because it IS, many people are not good gun owners in peacetime, let alone during an emergency) they will confiscate ALL guns they come across as a preventive measure.

This is all of course, just my opinion since I'm no cop, only a cop would know what the department would probably do.

See, i think that law enforcement will have enough on there hand without trying to disarm people trying to protect themselves. That's a war i dont think police will want to start.

Criminals looting is a different story. First, people trying to get food for there families is not looting. People stealing flat screen TVs is another story.

I think that police for the most part will turn a blind eye to looting in the event of an outbreak. Killing zombies is a little more of a priority than stopping people from looting.

A small town will be able to deal with an outbreak better than a larger town/city i think. If they can get things under control, i think the pro shop would be a better place to hold up, assuming the owners let you.

Of course i'm not a fan of the idea of running to a Walmart. Thats just :loon:

[terror28]

Well what about this... say they take your guns away from you and there leading you to this safe zone, in the process a couple of the undead kills some of there men and you manage to get there guns and pop off a couple of them. Could you gain there trust enough to let you fight along there side?

In my opinion now (after discussing this) I would try and aviod as much law enforcment and millitary as I could. Your chances of survival are better.

[Dave Of The Dead]

You could try, but they'll probably just end up tazing you afterward.

I think that early in the panic, they will try and disarm citizens, but later they won't give two sh*ts. Once armies of undead start parading through cities and giving the military more trouble, they will stop disarming people.

[bandits1]

I think that early in the panic, they will try and disarm citizens, but later they won't give two sh*ts. Once armies of undead start parading through cities and giving the military more trouble, they will stop disarming people.
I agree. Once the military/law enforcement realize how widespread the incident is and that they won't be able to effectively protect the public, much less themselves, they'll let citizens keep their firearms.

...the ones that aren't doing more harm than good, anyway. Anyone causing more problems than the zombies should still be shot on sight.

[Faran Brigo]

Guess you're right, eventually common sense should prevail and what's left of the military and law enforcement will have to work with civilians. That was, after all, the idea behind the second ammendment. The armed populace becoming the militia to defend freedom, property and in this case, the very existence of the country.

That being said, I feel obligated to ruin the moment:

You could try, but they'll probably just end up tazing you afterward.

DON'T TAZE ME BRO!!!

[john154]

Being a canadian and a soldier I can say the local military if and when it were mobilized (lots of "ifs" in the case of a spontanious apocalypse right) would be taking in refugees/survivors as fast as it could and likely not putting up with or moving on from anyone showing armed resistance. Most canadians by their very nature are niave, sheltered and very liberal when it comes to ideas of violence and poverty. Most households don't have any firearms or experiance with hardship. Our people would need all the help they could get from the authorities in order to surive more then a few days. If the army/police/navy couldn't rapidly establish a greenzone and set up regular patrols to pick up refugees and neutralize groups of undead things would get very grave very fast. We also don't have militias or religious groups that would attempt to set up their own little empires. I believe most people would be pretty keen to flag down patrols and get driven to a safe area.

[Dave Of The Dead]

But imagine all the Americans trying to get past the Canadian boarder trying to flee the chaos. You would have plenty of weapons getting past the boarders.

Another thought:
Do you think illegal gun dealers would come out and try to sell as much of their sh*t on the street corner once it hits the fan?

[OutbreakElite]

I live in a small town so my best bet is to hole up in the mountains in a cabin up there becuase they are spre4ad out up there so finding one would not prove too challenging...Wait a couple of days for the initial panic and chaos to die down then go down into my small town and shack up in a pharmacy located in the very very very small town..The windows are 9 ft off the ground and there is only one door and one exit..plus a small hunting store is located 10 minutes on foot nearby

[JakAttak]

lucky you I live in savannah GA. with a few thousand residents and even more tourists. If Z day comes I gettin' the hell out of Dodge as the sayin' goes.

[Dave Of The Dead]

lucky you I live in savannah GA. with a few thousand residents and even more tourists. If Z day comes I gettin' the hell out of Dodge as the sayin' goes.

Yeah I go there every year. I would feel sorry for all the drunk people wandering down River St.

[john154]

But imagine all the Americans trying to get past the Canadian boarder trying to flee the chaos. You would have plenty of weapons getting past the boarders.

Another thought:
Do you think illegal gun dealers would come out and try to sell as much of their sh*t on the street corner once it hits the fan?

Wouldn't want a piece of that pie and frankly that would be Vancouver's problem. Im on a 400 000 pop. island only accesable by ferry. We're got a navy base and a tightly nit army reserve unit operating out of two cities. We'd fare a lot better then the mainlanders.

People who have illegal firearms after the outbreak probably won't have much time or opportunity to sell em. People will be panicking & shackin up fast to set up their defences. Selfish human nature aside I think they'd end up givin em out to other people with them as opposed to hold out for money and not have anyone to fight beside. Sometimes all you need is a common enemy to put local squabbles aside.

[Undead Ryan]

Ive thought about this long and hard where i would go and i think i would hide in my detached garage that is a 2 stories with one accessible ladder that can be pulled up, its got few windows that could be boarded up and a garage door that is pretty sturdy and is electric so it will only open by a 5 digit access code or a button in the back.

If it all goes terrible i would make an opening on top of the roof so you could climb out of the building and onto the roof were living on a creek that diverts into the gulf of Mexico i could make a quick escape on my boat and be sipping on coronas on an uncharted island and occupy my time there and pull a cast away.

[JakAttak]

heh-heh yea right you think you will find peace on the sea? humans will probably take to the sea by the tens or hundreds of thousands the blank edges of the map will be filled in by scared refugees.

[mattifikation]

Download google earth and find me this "uncharted island."

[Screwballgunnut]

Well what about this... say they take your guns away from you and there leading you to this safe zone

Don't get in this situation in the first place. Like has been said dozens of times in this thread, think New Orleans after Katrina. Consider how fubar'd that "evacuation" was, and then think to yourself: Am I willing to put myself in that position? If yes, let them disarm you, and voluntarily go to the "safe zone." If not, your first option is to wait until the gubermint comes and tries to take your guns, and you fight. Considering that there will be lots of feral agents (not misspelled) "here to help," and they will all be wearing body armor & carrying automatic weapons, fighting isn't a very good option.

A better option is to discretely evade detection, and as much as I hate to say it, think like Bocephus. "I got a shotgun, a rifle, and a 4wd, and a country boy can survive." Elsewhere in the song, he makes mention of his "old .45." IMHO, sounds like a pretty good outline for a Z-day escape pack: Benelli M1 Super 90 with tac light, Springfield M1A & a 1911 also with a tac light, loaded in the big blue beast. Only problem I see is that the big blue beast only gets 6-7mpg..... :x But its got a steel front bumper, locked 1 ton axles & plenty of power to force other vehicles out of its way. Everything is a trade off.

[bandits1]

Another thought:
Do you think illegal gun dealers would come out and try to sell as much of their sh*t on the street corner once it hits the fan?
It depends on how informed the gun dealer - and the rest of the general public - was on how globally widespread the outbreak is. If he knew that the outlook was "Resident Evil" bleak, you'd have to be some kind of greedy and/or some kind of optimist to think that U.S. currency is going to be worth anything real anytime soon.

I think eventually he'd realize that it's a better idea to keep the weapons for himself...or at very least sell them for something more tangible than cash.

[Faran Brigo]

There are a few commodities (and their associated paraphernalia) that will still have value after and during a zombie holocaust:

1.- Weapons
2.- Chemical amusement (I'm including drugs, beer and cigarretes)
3.- Food
4.- Drinking water
5.- Clothing
6.- Healthcare
7.- Fuel
8.- Female "companionship" (it's the oldest trade in history for a reason)
9.- Security

Durable consumer goods are going to be easy to get, electric apliances will be useless without a central grid and distribution system, and while there will be (probably) power generation I think it will be reserved for essential needs (like medicine and food refrigeration, to power comms equipment, etc.). Honestly, I'd be surprised if a couple of years after Z-Day ganja wasn't on par with beer in the luxury item trade. Morality of it aside, it's easier to produce, ship and maintain and people will want to take breaks from grim reality.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Amen to that Faran. I took a break from reality just a couple days ago if you know what I mean. :)

[JakAttak]

the oldest profession don't mean stone masonry?

[mattifikation]

"Stone Mason" sounds like a good name for a pimp. Using that argument, you could say yes...

[jagus12]

My school, its extremely easy to barricade and can hold up like 100 people
it has a cafeteria (working as a restaurant too), its far from the town and has a big truck that can be used for transportation of supplies and people...
Get some weapons and supplies and you can survive there a LOOOOOOONG time...

[JakAttak]

let me guess public school.

[Kolapsky]

Since most of know,hiding in your home is probably the smartest or stupidiest idea. For one I'd hide upstairs and take out the stairs leading up,thus removing the problem of the zeds and making me safe. Have a ladder for backup just incase you need supplies or go rescue some pals.

What would you do to safe proof your house?

[bandits1]

Again, there's already a thread discussing a similar topic: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

[john154]

I'd fill my bathtub with gasoline, lock the door then hop in and have good ole smoke. Zeds'll never get me!

[Faran Brigo]

Again, there's already a thread discussing a similar topic: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

I don't think it's the same thing. That one's talking about the location you would pick to ride the apocalypse out, this one's about defenses you can set up if you choose to stay at home.

Good topic by the way. I'll cook something up soon-ish

[Kolapsky]

Thanks Faran! Other than demolishing your stairs I'd reckon you could find a bunch of corpses sever the heads and lie the bodies all about your yard.

The zombies would be probably be pre-occupied in eating the uninfected bodies that they'd forget about you.

---
Or I'd probably push my fridge and freezer against the front door. Each weights Fridge weighs about..340lbs and the Freezer is about 240.. Let's see some shamblies push that away. Because I would imagine their decaying arms couldn't handle the weight and would eventually break?

But then again in "Land Of The Dead" in the deleted scenes a zed tears a guy's shoulder blade out..

[detpat]

You could always pre position basic items that would be useful in any disaster. wooden panels that would fit over you first floor windows, you can design them so that there is a projection that would fit into the window frame and attach to the panel from the inside. you simply fit the panel and then add the inside cross panel and screw down until secure.

You could make these out of wood or metal or whatever you like as you have plenty of time to produce them pre disaster.

[Kolapsky]

Hmm,I'd try setting up razor wire around my house and cut some legs.

[Faran Brigo]

Wait a minute, I thought you meant working with what you might already have on your home at hand, not actually buying stuff beforehand I mean, if you go that way you might as well pick some place other than your house, or buy a bunch of cinderblocks and brick your windows.

[Kolapsky]

True,Razor wire dumb idea..

[deadrising08]

Tell me what you would do in an zombie outbreak?What would be your role in your group of survivours?Would you gather survivours?Waht weapons would you gather?Well tell me and ill be interested to know all you zombie lovers ideas.

[SelfDefined]

I love topics like this. Id gather up all my family and friends. if they were alive. and grab a car. probably my dads coz its the fastest, then i would travel to the edge of the sea. steal a boat and sail to another country, and if there were zombies there too, then id either make a little camp/safehouse somewhere remote and stay there with everyone, or id kill myself. depends on how bad the outbreak was. if it was like a global thing, then i wouldnt hesitate to suicide within a heartbeat. my role would be the like general, id give people jobs, but i would use my mind on situations, i would always go with them etc. id use silenced but fast weapons. like an M4 with a silencer, that way i could kill zombies without arousing too much attention from the other zombies.

[deadrising08]

Tell me what you would do if a zombie outbreak happened, where would you go?What weapons would you get?Would you gather survivours?What roll would you play in your group?(etc)Well tell me here i would just love to know

[deadrising08]

I luv these topics too they're jus so great, and by the way great answer and look for my poll on where you would go if and outbreak accured

[mattifikation]

From the Index Thread:

"Where Will You Hold Up? (http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545):
'To many this is the most important question. The Zombies are swarming, and you need to protect your own. Will you stay and fortify? Or flee to somewhere else?'"

[mattifikation]

I would recommend reading each of the topics addressing all of the questions you've just asked. The conversations always get too in-depth to try and cover them all in one thread!

[deadrising08]

waht about them

[SelfDefined]

Well the thing is, I live practically in the middle of my town, so all the zombies could form a circle around my house, my mates house, the school, a supermarket, id have to say an abandoned building on the outskirts of town.

[Faran Brigo]

From the thread itself:

Just a simple question I've been working myself over. And it got me thinking, what would you do?
Hole up in some abandoned house and attempt to live out your life in peace, or take to the road with friends and family, or by yourself. Or seek refuge in numbers? Fleeing where ever which way evacuee's and refugee's are heading?

Personally for me, I'd quickly take to the road with my F-150 and a few close friends. Other then the fact that I live in Austin Texas which is SUPER DOOPER hilly, an infection would be slow and quiet. But I'd still take to the road within the local road ways. I'm just wondering what you all'd do.

I think the thread was about staying or leaving. If you ignore than and go with the description on the index thread, I say it's still a binary choice: stay and fortify or go. It doesn't say anything about going into detail with what you're going to do, and this one IS precisely about home proofing. Two separate questions.

[Faran Brigo]

Check around, there's already long threads about all of the things you're asking about.

[Lian]

Once upon a time I wrote a thread on defending a home. Probably long gone by now...and I'm much much to lazy to write it all again...

[Hitman]

I love topics like this. - I'd use silenced but fast weapons. like an M4 with a silencer, that way i could kill zombies without arousing too much attention from the other zombies.

ever use an M4 with a silencer ? its not quiet , not in the least . what it does do is keep you from blowing out your eardrums and also alow you communicate with your other teamates .

[nickstocker]

I would grab a few mates, still at human/living state, Build a nice safe house, fireproof, steel everything, Load up on ammunition and just play it from there

[Hitman]

the key is to have it thought out before hand . plenty of boards and screws with a really good cordless screwgun. lots of water put back with means to make more . plenty of fuel , and food . and enough weapons that you won't have to rely on getting shot while knocking off the local gunshop.

[JakAttak]

Me just go in my attic no way for Z's to get up cut a hole in the roof and then slide down to my garden.

[deadrising08]

I dont care i like what i write about, if you dont like that then go away

[Kolapsky]

Yes,but you still serve the chance of the zombies getting you in your garden. Unless you have some sort of protection for when you venture out..

[JakAttak]

It has a big fence al the way around it to keep my dog out I have a pit bull weimariner mix. Big dog.

[Dave Of The Dead]

My plan is for my parents' house because my house only has one room on the second floor and there is no way I could survive an attack there. I'm going to destroy the stairs and soundproof the place with the massive amounts of mattresses and blankets they have up there.

[deadrising08]

I need all of you zombie lovers to tell me what would be the best place to go during and out break.

[cowboy99]

well i live in el paso which is a border town next to mexico which means yes it is a large city and ya theres a lot of ppl so to tell the truth i would just move around the city untill i found an area where i know i could be safe

[JakAttak]

You rich people with your 2 story homes.

[mattifikation]

The rules here are that if a thread already exists for a topic you want to discuss, you post in that thread instead of making a new one. We, as members, ask that all rules be followed strictly because this forum has been shut down before due to rule-breaking and we don't want to lose it again.

If you like what you write about, you can write about it in the pre-existing threads or you can think of a new topic to discuss. If you don't like it, I humbly ask, as a member with no authority yet with justifiable concern, that you take your own advice into consideration.

if you dont like that then go away

[mattifikation]

I'm in a 2 story home. I'm not rich. I rent and have roommates. However, I will not be concerned with getting my security deposit back if people show up trying to eat me.

Which means the stairs are going bye-bye!

[Dave Of The Dead]

Heh, my parents are rich. I'm not. If a zombie attempted to knock down my house... He could do it.

[JakAttak]

I'm in a 2 story home. I'm not rich. I rent and have roommates. However, I will not be concerned with getting my security deposit back if people show up trying to eat me.

Which means the stairs are going bye-bye!
Just a joke.

[Running From Zombies]

I'd hold up in my own home if it wasn't too serious. World wide trouble I'd have to find an isolated area with little or no population. From there I'd try to find a building to fortify. Food would be an issue that would depend on the length.

[Grinder]

I posted in another thread that I'd try to hole up at my workplace, which is a big safeway warehouse. It has lots of resources and could be turned into a fortress with people determined to do it.

Barring that I'd pick an older building made of stone or tough brick like a church or an old government building, something with windows that are hard to get to and a big tough door. I'd want it to have some kind of wall or fence around it so that you could make forays out if you had to.

[JakAttak]

try getting your hands on any of those people (unless totally retarded but of course we voted for G.W twice) they will notice the benefits and storm the area.

[Creature]

This Thread is for posting What your base would be like. The barricade materials size when you would make it and where. Be sure to note little things in other people's bases. Be Sure to post ideas for others bases too!

[Cenobite]

This Thread is for posting What your base would be like. The barricade materials size when you would make it and where. Be sure to note little things in other people's bases. Be Sure to post ideas for others bases too!

Home Depot.

Ah, home away from home.

1. Lumber
2. Tools
3. Tools to use as weapons
4. Materials to build a cozy room/home/bed inside the store to live in
5. ....ok store needs food.

[ghdeh1]

Home depot is a great idea but mine is in the nuclear fallout zone because of a power plant near in.:x:zom3::saw::doh: <- does this make sense?

[Creature]

Your Ideas Are Great! My idea is that you hold up in a shop that has Guns, Building Equipment, food, 2 exits. The front and the roof. I would make it when i have my friends and family. Where? Somewhere small with a low population...

[Dave Of The Dead]

The warehouse next to my house. I already have guns and other weapons, the warehouse is stocked with lumber and steel. Half of the warehouse is used for steel fabrication, so tools will be abundant. There are 2 entrances which are both garage doors. We can lock those and reinforce them be parking our trucks up against them from the inside. The roof can have a garden and we could spend out time raiding other houses or warehouses around us.

[Faran Brigo]

There's already a thread for this, "where will you hold up?"

[Creature]

There's already a thread for this, "where will you hold up?"
Ya... Thats where you hold up. In this u make a base... and other stuff.

[Creature]

I would take the following steps:


Take a minute to soil myself
Regreat that I souled myself
Go out to the shed behind my house and find a shovel
Dig a hole 2 feet in depth and 1 foot in diameter
firmly place my head in the whole refered to in step 4
carefully fill in the whole reffered to in step 5 with the dirt generated by step 4
Sit calmly and wait for the whole thing to pass


No one can deny this is a fool proof plan! ostridges have been doing it for millions of years and they seem pretty on the ball! :loon:


http://www.geocities.com/fakename_addy/ostridge.jpg


Either that or a zombie will bite your ass.

[mattifikation]

Off topic: for anyone who was interested to know, ostriches do not hide their heads as a defense mechanism. They are actually looking for food when they do that.

Sorry, lol.