Where Will You Hold Up?

[Mazlionheart]

I voted other... my local library is now a bit of a hi tech information store... it has metal shutters as well as its own well stocked cafe. Who heads to a library during a zombie attack... and because I know the staff well and did a few courses and have friends who work there I know the right codes to get in on the side door without compromising the security of the building... its a pretty safe bet for a temporary stop but not a safe stop forever...:scare:

[mattifikation]

The food supply in a cinema, even if it didn't go bad, would probably be gone in a matter of days. Cinemas are usually in or near malls, and we all know how that sort of area fairs. :lol:

[Bob]

Would the cheeze be on the pretzel or in it?
If it is a plain big pretzel, Mustard is the approved condiment.

Walmart Distribution Center would be good.

[rogeneck]

i would stay away from high end places like that. think of it this way if all of the really stupid people go to the stores and all of the prepared people stay home whos left. unprepared half thinkers. you know the kind of people that buy a gun and no ammo. so these people would come by and be like "man you stole my plan" and insted of moving on to plan b(that they never made) they chuck an unloaded .357 at your head and you die of brain hemorrhage.

[Carl Sieberhagen]

A Mall.
Why? There's a lot of stuff that will hopefully be free.
Why not? There's alot of other people as well so the stuff will probebly still cost something.
Why still? Stock up,gather information and move.The most resourses are there even if its just information.

There is strenght in numbers so you could just possibly leave with an arm of zombie slayers :guns::shotg: :saw:

[rogeneck]

Carl Sieberhagen
Carl Sieberhagen
Carl Sieberhagen
i just said that the stupid people would go to stores. have fun being trampled by every grandma and her rascal.

[mattifikation]

I hope you're not using your real full name on the Internet...

[DarthJoe8]

I hope you're not using your real full name on the Internet...

You mean like google the name and find it on facebook?? :lol:

[mattifikation]

Facebook is a scam in every conceivable way.

[poke2000]

I would be totally screwed. Either way I see it because I can go about less then 65 miles in any direction till I hit water, Then I would have to deal with that problem as well. But, I recently posted in another forum about using the local telephone companys cell phone tower relay stations that they have all over the island. I managed to a good look into a few of them. They are completely enclosed by a fence or concrete wall and some of them has a bathroom, techroom, and even a kitchen. So far I managed to find 3 out five of these type of stations. The other 2 were smaller and out in the open with no wall or fence and was part of shopping mall & land owners property. The 3 I mentioned earlier had a small garage with fuel storage. The only thing you have to worry about is getting through the heavy steel doors and the sliding metal gate in front. Another thing would be is that it could possibly be different in other states. I found out about this while dumpster diving at the local businesses. Scored tons of stuff that day.:evil:

[JakAttak]

ammo bunker would be kick-ass locks up tight and can weather any attack even those of man

[homelitexl]

im still goin with an old plan the old bambshelter

[JakAttak]

or an air craft carrier not gonna happen but hellz yeah and if it's nuclear i would jizz in my pants

[CAVU45]

ammo bunker would be kick-ass locks up tight and can weather any attack even those of man

There's no such thing as a bunker that can withstand concerted attack. Ask the Iraqis. They have plenty of experience with that.

[Birdman44]

There's no such thing as a bunker that can withstand concerted attack.

Or one with a psychopath on the inside, watch out with who your bring in with you :saw:

[Darkness]

"Facebook has NOTHING to do with the Topic of this Thread!. Back on Target now, Please." :naughty:

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm not going to lie. When I'm staying at my parents' house, I usually get stuck watching the Home and Garden channel with my mom. It gets pretty boring until they start showing these modern designs of stilted houses. I saw one build out of a 747 air liner and looked to be pretty well impregnable. I'll see if I can scrounge some pictures up or something.

[LJHolcon]

I'm staying home.

[Contract Killer]

Id board up a cvs. This one by me is relatively tucked away and only has two ways in. Barricade one completely and use the other one as needed

[Darkness]

"CVS?" :oops:

[Contract Killer]

"CVS?" :oops:


this one by my dads upstate. rather big and has lots of supplies, both medical and food related and is near his house but off the main road. Would be easy enough to seal one entrance and make the other useable

[Darkness]

"No, sorry, I meant, what does CVS stand for?" :)

[Contract Killer]

"No, sorry, I meant, what does CVS stand for?" :)

ohhhhhhhhh its a pharmacy that carries a whole bunch of food and stuff too

[Darkness]

"Ahhhhh! Thank you." :)

[Contract Killer]

anytime buddy

[homelitexl]

contract killer do u realize ur pic is from the beer song

[AZombieAttack]

A wal-mart distribution center, should be very easy to fortify, and supplies for years (depending on the number of peole)

[rogeneck]

well at least you dident say wall-mart it self. a center is a good enough place usually not in the center of the city. the one by me is on rail tracks (which i think would slow down zombie in a very funny manner) their are plenty of crates/pallets to use for defense. there probably a generator if it has a frozen section. but it will fail because of the danger level. when you have what people want they will take if from you.

[LJHolcon]

well at least you dident say wall-mart it self. a center is a good enough place usually not in the center of the city. the one by me is on rail tracks (which i think would slow down zombie in a very funny manner) their are plenty of crates/pallets to use for defense. there probably a generator if it has a frozen section. but it will fail because of the danger level. when you have what people want they will take if from you.

7 to 10 able bodied and dedicated men who armed themselves appropriately (weapons, knowledge and training) prior won't have a problem holding a Wal-Mart.

[mattifikation]

Ever work at a Wal-Mart on a Black Friday?

7-10... If you had the same number of people and they were all acting out of fear for their lives, you couldn't hold the place with 70-100 people.

[CAVU45]

The undead menace wouldn't be the only threat to worry about. There would be some very live, very well armed and very ruthless threats that would want to take what you have.

[LJHolcon]

The undead menace wouldn't be the only threat to worry about. There would be some very live, very well armed and very ruthless threats that would want to take what you have.

Wal-Mart is a defensible structure, with perfect over-watch, thick walls, plenty of barricade potential. With a plan and some military bearing 10 armed men could easily make it a fortress. The main advantage is there just wouldn't be the type of armed response necessary to unass a dedicated group from a fortified Wal-Mart type structure. Not in the apocalypse. It would take hundreds of individuals to mount a successful offensive.

And if you are well equipped enough to support hundreds then what the hell are you doing at Wal-Mart? To arm, train, feed and cloth a hundred men, you've already got a society set up somewhere, with agriculture ability.

[LJHolcon]

Ever work at a Wal-Mart on a Black Friday?

7-10... If you had the same number of people and they were all acting out of fear for their lives, you couldn't hold the place with 70-100 people.

Once gun fire starts, everyone leaves. I've seen it a dozen times. A couple of pepper spray grenades to clear the front area, a clearing team of 5 enters the back, with two on over-watch another three in reserve, you can filter 1000 people in 30 minutes. The key is acting early, when it's first evident. By starting a mass exodus of the store, it becomes a corral. Move swiftly enough, the stragglers will realize the gunfire is drawing nearer (you don't even need to shoot anyone) and then the only people who remain are the few who are armed themselves. The key is practicing good observational discipline so some fellow with a .22 pistol he stole from his grandfather doesn't get a lucky shot.

There would of course be multiple collateral casualties from the stampede, so be prepared to either begin triage or pull them out front.

edit: In fact there was a video from Van Maur when a single individual opened fire with an AK in Wisconsin. Everyone in the mall minus the people out of ear shot and the people pinned down evac'd in 5 minutes. Riots with 10,000 people back down from riot-lines of 10-15 police men. There's a reason for that.

[rogeneck]

what you are saying is that you think that you and ten of your friends could off nearly 100+ people. ya people. we are telling you people will be your biggest concern here. it doesent matter what you do some one, from the inside or outside will get you killed. one miss fire. one door left open. one spark. one rock hitting a panel of glass in just the right way and you will find your self in a death trap. do you think that by having everything you need you will be safe. no what you need is what you need and what others dont want. trying to be greedy is like not paying your taxes. those people who used to help you will throw you in prison. or kill you. try looking for a place where people wont try to kill you. im going to an island. others are going to places where they wont be found.

the best defense is not an offense its never fighting in the first place.

[AZombieAttack]

Well what we are talking about is a wal-mart 'distribution' center not a wal-mart store. These centers are gated with very few windows (if any) and several doors and loading doors. Outside of a city.

I agree though, give me 10 well armed people in that kind of place 20 would be fine should be plenty of supplys and we will figure out a way to defend it, plus have a couple trucks parked inside the center fully stocked and ready to go if the S hits the fan.

[LJHolcon]

what you are saying is that you think that you and ten of your friends could off nearly 100+ people. ya people. we are telling you people will be your biggest concern here. it doesent matter what you do some one, from the inside or outside will get you killed. one miss fire. one door left open. one spark. one rock hitting a panel of glass in just the right way and you will find your self in a death trap. do you think that by having everything you need you will be safe. no what you need is what you need and what others dont want. trying to be greedy is like not paying your taxes. those people who used to help you will throw you in prison. or kill you. try looking for a place where people wont try to kill you. im going to an island. others are going to places where they wont be found.

the best defense is not an offense its never fighting in the first place.

You don't have to off anyone. There are plenty of historical (and recent events) that prove that people, even hungry people, leave once the gunfire starts. You have to have a plan, multiple contingency plans, and proper over-watch. There are a million fork-lift/cross bars/pallets/shelves/etc to block all the entrances. There's also plenty of opportunity for emergency exit.

A Spark? Wal-Mart isn't going to burn down. It's why they're built the way they are.

And I wouldn't go to Wal-Mart. I'm staying right where I am. I'm simply defending the individual who said he would. The main thing that would prevent this is an armed authority already present, but if that's the case it's not really the apocalypse quite yet. Although... even police forces up and un-ass their positions under the slightest danger in riot type situations (Katrina, LA, Detroit, etc)

[CAVU45]

Wal-Mart is a defensible structure, with perfect over-watch, thick walls, plenty of barricade potential. With a plan and some military bearing 10 armed men could easily make it a fortress. The main advantage is there just wouldn't be the type of armed response necessary to unass a dedicated group from a fortified Wal-Mart type structure. Not in the apocalypse. It would take hundreds of individuals to mount a successful offensive.

And if you are well equipped enough to support hundreds then what the hell are you doing at Wal-Mart? To arm, train, feed and cloth a hundred men, you've already got a society set up somewhere, with agriculture ability.

Hundreds? Not at all. Even ten good men with "military bearing" couldn't hold the average Wal-Mart. There are far too many entrances to barricade and try to defend. Twenty decent men with a bit of knowledge could break into one. Hell, a truck could be driven through an exterior wall with no problem. You also assume (wrongly) that there wouldn't be a group large enough to take out a Wal-Mart. One outlaw motorcycle club would have enough men, weapons, and experience to do the job.

[LJHolcon]

Hundreds? Not at all. Even ten good men with "military bearing" couldn't hold the average Wal-Mart. There are far too many entrances to barricade and try to defend. Twenty decent men with a bit of knowledge could break into one. Hell, a truck could be driven through an exterior wall with no problem. You also assume (wrongly) that there wouldn't be a group large enough to take out a Wal-Mart. One outlaw motorcycle club would have enough men, weapons, and experience to do the job.

You can't drive a truck through a wall. There's also only 6 entrances (and a steel dock door.)

And there will be no "out law motorcycle gangs" in the apocalypse. Not enough spare parts, and more to the point, petrol won't last long enough (and will expire within the year.) And the second the power goes off, good luck getting it from a pump unless you're also a master siphon. I don't know what unit you were in, but did you ever make it out to Keating? 10 men held off 550 heavily armed Taliban FROM A VALLEY POSITION. It took an hour before air support made it there.

There would be no excuse for 10 good men not to be able to hold a Wal-Mart from random looters. If it's really an apocalypse, it would take years to assemble the man-power for the operation you describe. And again, if you could somehow support that load of man-power you don't need to go to Wal-Mart.

I'd also like to hear how parking a fork-life behind a steel door isn't going to prevent someone from entering. They'd have to fire an anti-tank projective through it. The type of counter-action force you're describing is an actual military. If you honestly believe there's going to be roving bands of giant militaries then I have no clue what apocalypse you're foreseeing. Any type of resistance you encounter will be on foot, and with proper over-watch on a 60 foot high structure, you'd have to be an idiot to get caught off-guard.

[CAVU45]

You can't drive a truck through a wall. There's also only 6 entrances (and a steel dock door.)

And there will be no "out law motorcycle gangs" in the apocalypse. Not enough spare parts, and more to the point, petrol won't last long enough (and will expire within the year.) And the second the power goes off, good luck getting it from a pump unless you're also a master siphon. I don't know what unit you were in, but did you ever make it out to Keating? 10 men held off 550 heavily armed Taliban FROM A VALLEY POSITION. It took an hour before air support made it there.

There would be no excuse for 10 good men not to be able to hold a Wal-Mart from random looters. If it's really an apocalypse, it would take years to assemble the man-power for the operation you describe. And again, if you could somehow support that load of man-power you don't need to go to Wal-Mart.

I'd also like to hear how parking a fork-life behind a steel door isn't going to prevent someone from entering. They'd have to fire an anti-tank projective through it. The type of counter-action force you're describing is an actual military. If you honestly believe there's going to be roving bands of giant militaries then I have no clue what apocalypse you're foreseeing. Any type of resistance you encounter will be on foot, and with proper over-watch on a 60 foot high structure, you'd have to be an idiot to get caught off-guard.

Of course a truck can be driven through a wall. It isn't that hard to do. Plus, the front entrances to Wal-Mart stores are glass. I don't know what store you've been to, but the three Wal-Marts I've seen have lolts more entrances than that. Four double doors plus two cart coral bay doors just on the front alone. Plus the garden section with two, the auto shop with two entrances and four bay doors, not to mention four or five loading dock doors. Then there are the emergency exits that all stores are required to have. Six doors? I don't think so.

As for the MC gangs. They exist now, Why wouldn't they exist in an apocalypse? Did they all just go away? You also assume that it would take a year to get into this "Fortress Wally World". Heard of siphoning? Plenty of gas would be had that way till stocks go bad. I've not mentioned anything about "roving bands of giant militaries", so I have no idea where that came from. Try not to ascribe words to me that I didn't say.

Ten men held of a superior Taliban force and the Spartans held off Xerxes army. But those were tactically and strategically important places chosen for that very purpose. Tthere are many more stories of small forces being over run by a superior force unless air power stepped in to turn the tide. Even then it was a near thing.

I'd like to hear how parking a little forklift behind a glorified garage door will stop a determined entry team. It owuldn't require years to assemble the man power necessary to breach a Wal-Mart. It already exists as I've said. It also wouldn't take a hundred or more men to do the job. Smaller forces have gotten into better protected places.

[LJHolcon]

Of course a truck can be driven through a wall. It isn't that hard to do. Plus, the front entrances to Wal-Mart stores are glass. I don't know what store you've been to, but the three Wal-Marts I've seen have lolts more entrances than that. Four double doors plus two cart coral bay doors just on the front alone. Plus the garden section with two, the auto shop with two entrances and four bay doors, not to mention four or five loading dock doors. Then there are the emergency exits that all stores are required to have. Six doors? I don't think so.

As for the MC gangs. They exist now, Why wouldn't they exist in an apocalypse? Did they all just go away? You also assume that it would take a year to get into this "Fortress Wally World". Heard of siphoning? Plenty of gas would be had that way till stocks go bad. I've not mentioned anything about "roving bands of giant militaries", so I have no idea where that came from. Try not to ascribe words to me that I didn't say.

Ten men held of a superior Taliban force and the Spartans held off Xerxes army. But those were tactically and strategically important places chosen for that very purpose. Tthere are many more stories of small forces being over run by a superior force unless air power stepped in to turn the tide. Even then it was a near thing.

I'd like to hear how parking a little forklift behind a glorified garage door will stop a determined entry team. It owuldn't require years to assemble the man power necessary to breach a Wal-Mart. It already exists as I've said. It also wouldn't take a hundred or more men to do the job. Smaller forces have gotten into better protected places.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Gas goes bad when it's not cycled, especially when it's exposed to air. And there is no way short of a semi you're going to drive through reinforced concrete. The rebar alone is 2in. And assuming you did somehow find a semi, and ram it into the building, the wall isn't going to collapse. You're going to have a hole with a truck plugging it and no way to move it. The front entrances also aren't glass, they're plexi. Regardless, there are approximentally 300 metal shelves, countless pallets and TVs/etc to pile there. Anything short of a tank isn't going to be able to move it away.

I'm sorry your unit had such low-self esteem and confidence. But there aren't going to be motorcycle gangs in the apocalypse. There won't be diesel fuel in the apocalypse. There won't be battling ram trucks in the apocalypse. And there especially won't be roving bands of people with unlimited resources like you're describing.

Now, if somehow magically, a force with unlimited resources, giant trucks, petrol, explosives and the training to use them...

Sure. They could over-take the Wal-Mart. But if that's what you're planning for, you may as well just shoot yourself in the head before it happens, because no amount of planning is going to save you. They'd find you on a farm, just as easy. Your only bet would be to become a mountain man.

edit: in the Xenia tornado (10 miles of east of me) several tornadoes and an F5 destroyed the entire city and went right through the Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart was the only building standing, and only suffered a roof collapse in the storage base. This is because the walls are 2-3foot reinforced concrete, and 2in rebar lining the entire building. They meet the Government's standard for tornado shelters and are designed to not be knocked down, or burnt down.

Short of a military force (or some sort of spec-ops unit) no one is getting into one that's been competently secured.

[CAVU45]

Now you're just being ridiculous. Gas goes bad when it's not cycled, especially when it's exposed to air. And there is no way short of a semi you're going to drive through reinforced concrete. The rebar alone is 2in. And assuming you did somehow find a semi, and ram it into the building, the wall isn't going to collapse. You're going to have a hole with a truck plugging it and no way to move it. The front entrances also aren't glass, they're plexi. Regardless, there are approximentally 300 metal shelves, countless pallets and TVs/etc to pile there. Anything short of a tank isn't going to be able to move it away.

I'm sorry your unit had such low-self esteem and confidence. But there aren't going to be motorcycle gangs in the apocalypse. There won't be diesel fuel in the apocalypse. There won't be battling ram trucks in the apocalypse. And there especially won't be roving bands of people with unlimited resources like you're describing.

I'm being ridiculous? Have you bothered reading your posts? You think your "ten me of military bearing" will be the only ones with weapons and the werewithal to use them? Do you really think that there will be no roving bands taking advantage of the situation long before the gas goes bad? Do you really think that your ten men will be able to stack all that material in front of glass (yes glass) doors in time to stop those who want what's inside? You honestly believe that there's enough material in a Wal-Mart to block every entrance to the place? Talk about living in a fantasy world....

My units morale was very high. In fact it was so high we were awarded the Meritorious Unit Citation and members received ten bronze stars as well as various other awards. Remember,we were an Army unit, not Air Force where medals are given for showing up to work on time. Our morale was so high I know we could have gotten into your "Fortress Wally" relatively easy. Not all walls are made of rebar reinfirced concrete. The auto center, for example was cinder block walls rather than the poured concrete. Plus there are explosives. And before you say it, explosives are relatively easy to obtain. I know of at least three locations within walking distance of my home with good stores of dynamite.

As for your "fantasy" post...There will be rving bands running the countryside. You think everyone will simply hunker down and hope for the best? I posted nothing about "battling ram" trucks or groups with unlimited supplies. Those are your fantasies and again I would ask you to refrain from posting them as mine. It's simply dishonest.

[LJHolcon]

As for your "fantasy" post...There will be rving bands running the countryside. You think everyone will simply hunker down and hope for the best? I posted nothing about "battling ram" trucks or groups with unlimited supplies. Those are your fantasies and again I would ask you to refrain from posting them as mine. It's simply dishonest.



Yes, you did. You said "you could easily ram a truck through the wall." Good luck with that. And yes, if you're arming a band of roving men, feeding them, clothing them, and magically keeping diesel fuel in the tanks... you're implying they have unlimited resources because there is no other way that's possible.

Maybe in a disaster, but not an apocalypse. Your cute little shtick where you pretend you didn't imply something is a common trend with you, in fact I've seen it in every thread you've pretended yourself into.

[LJHolcon]

My units morale was very high. In fact it was so high we were awarded the Meritorious Unit Citation and members received ten bronze stars as well as various other awards. Remember,we were an Army unit, not Air Force where medals are given for showing up to work on time. Our morale was so high I know we could have gotten into your "Fortress Wally" relatively easy. Not all walls are made of rebar reinfirced concrete. The auto center, for example was cinder block walls rather than the poured concrete. Plus there are explosives. And before you say it, explosives are relatively easy to obtain. I know of at least three locations within walking distance of my home with good stores of dynamite.

You're lying. I'm not going to respond to any of your posts anymore because now I know you're just lying. I'm glad the Stolen Valor Act exists thanks to people like you. One day you'll play this game with someone who cares enough to throw you in prison over it.

[CAVU45]

You're lying. I'm not going to respond to any of your posts anymore because now I know you're just lying. I'm glad the Stolen Valor Act exists thanks to people like you. One day you'll play this game with someone who cares enough to throw you in prison over it.

If you think I'm lying then prove it asshole rather than throw around accusations. You say I've broken the Stolen Valor Act, then prove it. Nothing I've said is false. The awards exist. You're simply pissed off because your Wally World fantasy got shot to pieces. Deal with it.

[Darkness]

"Chill guys. It's okay to get heated, just don't get nasty." :naughty:




"I'd rather be in a Hardware Store, than a WalMart, anyday."

[AZombieAttack]

You can't drive a truck through a wall. There's also only 6 entrances


Having worked in the insurance industry, I can say yes....you most certainly can drive a car through a wall, let alone a semi.

However A forklift behing the door changes everything. My idea of a forified wal-mart distribution center would have the escape plan of just that. If it appears we are loosing the center I'm driving 2 fully stocked trucks straight through a wall that we have taken some support out of. 9comming out of a bay door would be stupid) seeing is that we are giving up the place to looters (or what have you, zombies would never get in) I seriously doubt they would give chace.

[DarthJoe8]

"I'd rather be in a Hardware Store, than a WalMart, anyday."


But hardware stores don't have any food in them...:think:

[Darkness]

"Didn't say it would be my FIRST choice." ;-)

[vonnoobie]

WHy bother with wal-Mart at all.. They only have limited supplies. .ad not enought of the necessary things to grow food stuffs.. You will all be starved to death 2 years time... Remember.. keeping zombies from eating you one thing.. Feeding your self is another..

If there one trained profession armed force aroudn the world that will saty intact its the Navys.

Best bet is a naval vessel.. Specifically.. A group of them.. Nimitz class aircraft carrier.. Aswell as several amphibious assault ships.. Gives you great air coverage.. aswell as ability to field thousands if men from see for missions..

[Darkness]

"That's why I'm sticking with my good friends, who invited me to come to their 'fully stocked, indoor/outdoor sporting goods and camping warehouse store'. It's build tough too."

"Great friends to have when the Zombies rise." :)

[AZombieAttack]

WHy bother with wal-Mart at all.. They only have limited supplies. .ad not enought of the necessary things to grow food stuffs.. You will all be starved to death 2 years time... Remember.. keeping zombies from eating you one thing.. Feeding your self is another..

If there one trained profession armed force aroudn the world that will saty intact its the Navys.

Best bet is a naval vessel.. Specifically.. A group of them.. Nimitz class aircraft carrier.. Aswell as several amphibious assault ships.. Gives you great air coverage.. aswell as ability to field thousands if men from see for missions..

While I agree with your assesment in principle. Lets say we have enough supplies for 1 year that should be plenty enough time for zombies to deteriorate into nothing.

As far as a ocean vessele yest I can see the many advantages of that, but one outbreak, and where to you go? Get eaten by sharks or zombies, your choice.

[CAVU45]

WHy bother with wal-Mart at all.. They only have limited supplies. .ad not enought of the necessary things to grow food stuffs.. You will all be starved to death 2 years time... Remember.. keeping zombies from eating you one thing.. Feeding your self is another..

If there one trained profession armed force aroudn the world that will saty intact its the Navys.

Best bet is a naval vessel.. Specifically.. A group of them.. Nimitz class aircraft carrier.. Aswell as several amphibious assault ships.. Gives you great air coverage.. aswell as ability to field thousands if men from see for missions..


The problem with ships is that they require support from the land. No sea vessel can stay out forever. Resources on board are finite and would last no more than a year at best.

[rogeneck]

after a year of no commercial fishing the fish pop. would sky rocket. that plus seaweed could keep you feed. so i think that depending on time of year you could last for 6 months to two year on a ship. but only if you know what your doing. i would last no more than two weeks on a ship.

[vonnoobie]

On average best any naval vessel can do is 6months top with out resupply.. However.. Due to not needing full use of an apmibious assault ships abbilities.. Sections can be scrapped/converted to other uses, Such as producing fresh drinking water.. Fish can be fished for from the LCU's or Hovercraft the complement the amphibious assault ships.. While many of you may belive eating vegetables is evil.. they are requied (scared) so growing them will be of some difficulty.. But im sure finding an un used oil tanker and stripping down the top.. Loading it with soil etc.. you could grow whats needed, Fuel can be gained via the many thousands of naval vesels that can be raied for parts and supplies.

As for assuming the zombies wiill fall apart inside of a year.. Thats an assumption.. not fact.. if you wroing.. you have zero options stuck inside your super cool Wal-Mart.. If on a ship.. You have a lot more options.. Continue raiding abandoned ships/damaged ships, or.. you can sail off to one or more small but capable sized ilands.. clear it out with the ships weapons stocks.. and just set up camp and start the surfing =)

And yes getting to an Ocean vessel at first would be difficult.. thoe since im in Australia.. me and my mates can just pack up.. travel around for a bit.. before gathering up some small long range boats to get some good sized ships.. Lucky us big ass land small ass population.. Probably best country to be in incase of zombie outbreak.

As for others getting to a ship.. Well i guess i can see the issue or some.. depending on your location.. But if you lived 10 min from the Ocean.. would you go there or to a Wal-Mart?

Or if you want something small for a little group of mates.. Then an LCU2000 model should do the trick.. Comes with a 320t capacity, 10,000 nautical miles
(20,000 km) at 12 knots (22 km/h) light; 6,500 nautical miles (12,040 km) at 10 knots (19 km/h) loaded. Takes just 13men to sustain her.. But she can only go at sea for 18dyas.. thoe im assuming mods could be made for longer deployment as you wont require ful use of the deck.. maybe a few vehicles for land raiding (Stealing Wal-Mart stuff) xD

[CAVU45]

On average best any naval vessel can do is 6months top with out resupply.. However.. Due to not needing full use of an apmibious assault ships abbilities.. Sections can be scrapped/converted to other uses, Such as producing fresh drinking water.. Fish can be fished for from the LCU's or Hovercraft the complement the amphibious assault ships.. While many of you may belive eating vegetables is evil.. they are requied (scared) so growing them will be of some difficulty.. But im sure finding an un used oil tanker and stripping down the top.. Loading it with soil etc.. you could grow whats needed, Fuel can be gained via the many thousands of naval vesels that can be raied for parts and supplies.

The infrastructure required for such an undertaking would be massive and require parts and supplies from land sources. Fishing is possible, but would be a full time job to feed the thousands of people necessary to keep such an endeavor running properly. Loading a tanker with soil? Not likely. First there's the problem of getting all that soil onto the tanker after cleaning it to prevent contamination of the soil that would ruin the crops. There's also the problem of water. It would take a huge amount of water on a daily basis to raise those crops and there's the constant danger of those crops being ruined by salty sea water. One storm pushing waves over the ship and the entire harvest is gone, ruined, destroyed. Fuel may be able to be siphoned from other ships, but fuel itself is a finite, unrenewable, resource subject to spoilage after about a year.

As for assuming the zombies wiill fall apart inside of a year.. Thats an assumption.. not fact.. if you wroing.. you have zero options stuck inside your super cool Wal-Mart.. If on a ship.. You have a lot more options.. Continue raiding abandoned ships/damaged ships, or.. you can sail off to one or more small but capable sized ilands.. clear it out with the ships weapons stocks.. and just set up camp and start the surfing =).

That's a good and valid assumption based on the rate of decomp seen in corpses. There's no reason to believe it wouldn't extend to walking corpses.

[vonnoobie]

Wek glad got one thing right ^^ as for converting the ships and all.. What about using said vessels instead to go of to an Island.. Sya .. Australia? =) .. for size of land we got really small pop.. combined arms ould wipe out zombies.. hen we have a possibly a completely (if not just damaged) industrial capability... and infastructure, Build gun, vehicles, ships, air craft.. the works =)

[CAVU45]

You may be on to something there.

[homelitexl]

im hidin out in vault 666 as i call it aka the bomb shelter i found

[vonnoobie]

nah.. I say Australia still best choice for all of us.. A vault gives no chance of resupply or escape.. Australia we get everything we need.. including most importantly (which you yanks dont make strong enought xD).. BEER!

[AZombieAttack]

The scenario would be very different form country to country. Austrailia is a good place logisticly but after an outbreak airlines would be shut down, ships may even be shot on site (think about it all you ship idea lovers) how do we 'yanks' get there? Best bet is to find a place with alot of supplies and wait it out IMO...

[vonnoobie]

Can promise you now.. The RAN and RAAF wouldnt start blowing ships out the water.. unless the situation got impossible.. Simple case of ordering ships to cut engines.. Be boarded by SAS troops.. and taken ashor to camps for processing.. those with 'possible' bites/scratches that could be infected via zombiees be isolated (possibly back on some the ships).. And we just blow up and ship that dont comply..

besides.. Aussies and yanks are friends =) and I dont think the USN would stand by with 200 naval vessels and let a dozen frigates blow up ships freely...

[Darkness]

"Vonnoobie, we do not discuss the killing of living, uninfected, humans, on these Forums. Please take care how you words things."

[homelitexl]

bob vj and matt are all invited 2 vault 666

[vonnoobie]

My apologies..

[homelitexl]

notice of establishment i homelitexl have opend vault 666 but people are only allowd in with invite duh to supply issues

[rogeneck]

i would love to hang out with you in hell(im invited right). but i live way to far away. after the marines i think i might move to tennessee but thats at least 7 years from now. other choices include japan(i have to learn japanese) aussie, iceland(have to learn borjk borjk language) or lastly ireland. im leaning towards ireland or australia. if i decide not to get out of america while i still can ill will be going to tennessee(for gun control and cost reasons) or staying in wisconsin. i might just throw a dart and pick a place that way.

[AZombieAttack]

Of course a truck can be driven through a wall. It isn't that hard to do. Plus, the front entrances to Wal-Mart stores are glass. I don't know what store you've been to, but the three Wal-Marts I've seen have lolts more entrances than that. Four double doors plus two cart coral bay doors just on the front alone. Plus the garden section with two, the auto shop with two entrances and four bay doors, not to mention four or five loading dock doors. Then there are the emergency exits that all stores are required to have. Six doors? I don't think so.

As for the MC gangs. They exist now, Why wouldn't they exist in an apocalypse? Did they all just go away? You also assume that it would take a year to get into this "Fortress Wally World". Heard of siphoning? Plenty of gas would be had that way till stocks go bad. I've not mentioned anything about "roving bands of giant militaries", so I have no idea where that came from. Try not to ascribe words to me that I didn't say.

Ten men held of a superior Taliban force and the Spartans held off Xerxes army. But those were tactically and strategically important places chosen for that very purpose. Tthere are many more stories of small forces being over run by a superior force unless air power stepped in to turn the tide. Even then it was a near thing.

I'd like to hear how parking a little forklift behind a glorified garage door will stop a determined entry team. It owuldn't require years to assemble the man power necessary to breach a Wal-Mart. It already exists as I've said. It also wouldn't take a hundred or more men to do the job. Smaller forces have gotten into better protected places.



Im not talking about a wal mart store, Im talking about a "distribution" center where they house the things that go to the stores. The rest you said I agree with.

[CAVU45]

Im not talking about a wal mart store, Im talking about a "distribution" center where they house the things that go to the stores. The rest you said I agree with.

I know. We got a bit side tracked with the other. A distribution center would be a bit better due to the fence around it and the bay doors being elevated for the loading and offloading of trucks. It would face the same dangers though by a determined entry team.

[vonnoobie]

hmm.. Are we alloed to hold up in self powered time set Cryo pods? =)

[Darkness]

hmm.. Are we alloed to hold up in self powered time set Cryo pods? =)

"Only in the Fantasy Thread." ;-) :lol:

[Catalyst]

Countryside is probably the best. Low population, possibly harder to get to. You'd need the right skill set though in order to make it out there for too long. Hunting, fishing, finding water, ect... That leaves me to think that runs to a local store and then back to safety are the best.

[homelitexl]

i like this guy

[ZombieAddict33]

Well I would grab the girl I like and my best friends tim and andrew . Then I'm gonna grab my katana and a few bats(I'm 16 I don't have guns(yet)) then I would wait wait for the people to to up north then I would come out of hiding and work my way to the Aberdeen proving ground and secure it, it's chock full of guns and other goodies, then I would secure a humvee and weapons and spare parts and gas, then I would head out to the great plains region and secure and abandoned farm and if the owners are still there a few rounds in the head will take care of that. After that I would plant corn and wheat. Then I'll find deer trails and set traps, then until the shit hits the fan I'll stay there with my girl and friends.

[Darkness]

abandoned farm and if the owners are still there a few rounds in the head will take care of that.

"We do NOT talk about the kiling of Uninfected Living Humans in these Forums. Please refrain from such comments in the future. Thank you."

[homelitexl]

rogeneck ur invited 2 but u gota bring me a keg and a carton of kools menthols and tennesee is only 3 hours away

[AZombieAttack]

Country side not a bad idea. Mountain terrian would make it very difficult for zombies to even walk on. However Hunting and fish may keep you alive. However where do you get ammo from? Gotta think about large predators too, a batt is not going to do much against a grizz....

[Darkness]

Country side not a bad idea. Mountain terrian would make it very difficult for zombies to even walk on. However Hunting and fish may keep you alive. However where do you get ammo from? Gotta think about large predators too, a batt is not going to do much against a grizz....

"True, but a well made Bow and Arrow, or a well made Stone Axe, or a Deep Pit with Sharp Spikes, will do the job." :)

[zombies]

castillo san de marco google it its got a draw bridge mote close to river a top story for shooting zombies has a furnace many rooms only one entrance whats better then that?

[neoanderson9318]

I'm not so sure what I'd do. I voted for holding up in Wal-Mart/Mall, but I think I'd be best off staying in my own house.

[Darkness1328]

Gotta say that I'd grab some guns, ammo and food and get the hell to the nearest big building. Like a supermarket, or something. With ammo nearby. And a medical place. And an infinite health cheat would be nice :P.

[homelitexl]

vault 666 nuff said

[EvanescentEureka]

If you ever had a question about survivability look no further, simply look around this forum. A percentage of the people right here and now will be the survivors. People who do not believe in the possibility of Zombies (or rage virus) will eventually end up dead. They will make stupid mistakes it is inevitable. Unfortunately most of the people will react in the paniced, unsensible way that they depicted in the movies. I plan on being a survivor, and I very confident in my ability to survive, are you? Here is my general plan.

1.) Weapon, Weapon, Weapon... The first thing I am going to do is get a weapon. Without it I'm little more then Zombie food. Its the very first thing you should get and keep it near at all times.

2.) Get to a defensible position immediatly, and if you are in a defensible position stay there unless breached.

3.) Secure the area. Patrol your "base", do not split up, do make sure everyone is armed in your party, and do a once over of the entire area. As you go by do simple physical securing like locking doors and windows (and closing curtins).

3.) Reinforce the area. Push heavy things in front of windows and doors, ect Fortrify the entire "base".

4.) Secure supplies, and yes its a good idea to fill up all your sinks and bathtubs with water. I would go a step further. Fill up every container you can find with water. Make sure its clean though, and don't waste time filling up containers that contained anything potentially toxic. Cleaning it will waste time and water. Just fill up everything else. You should always have a bad with necessities in it encase you have to abandon your area. Keep your water and no perishiable foods in the highest or most secure position in the house. Also take ropes, ladders, ect up to the highest level so that you can make it to the roof and potentially escape onto another house's rooftop as wel (if need be).

5.) Survivors panicing to get in brings up several issues. First of all if survivors know your in there, there is a good chance the Zombies do too. It is probably obvious that your in the building. This is not good. Second of all, anyone stupid enough to go running around screaming and banging on doors isn't someone you want in your party. Panic people will get you all killed, especially children. Children could do a number of ignorant or stupid things to get you killed. Third, there is a high probability that the person is already infected. It may sound harsh and selfish, but as a male I'm only going to go out of my way to save a useful male or a good looking viable female and only if its a relatively easy and safe operation. Anyone you let in your party should be inspected immediately for obvious infectious bites, and then corentine them for several days so you know for sure they aren't infected. Before you insult me for my reasoning you should realize this is survival, and I intend on doing that nothing more or less.

6.) Dawn of the dead (2004) annoyed the Hell out of me. Yes I enjoyed the movie but these people were ignorant and oblivious to what they should have been doing. If you have undead near your location KILL THEM! Don't be stingy with those bullets. Its easier to shoot the pirrana in the barrel before they are dumped into your cute lil' pond full of coy and goldfish. How many people are even in Milwakee? Zombies most-likely wonder along aimlessly until they either smell, see, or hear prey. These Zombies are the people from the area (duh) within the "sense" range of your party. It isn't imposible to kill them off in your area so you can at least secure the next building, especially when the next building is a GUN SHOP with a marksmen that is worth more then his weight in food and water. If every single person was standing in one area side by side it would be a small point on the Earth. People are not infinite, thus neither or Zombies. Hell if for some reason you "can't" get to him (or the Gun Shop) from the ground you can at least use your brain. Zip lines, ladders, something. Try everything to get to other roofs, ect. With all of that propane and gas in the basement, and the useless material wasted for help signs they could have yes, built a hot air baloon and with a zip line pulled it in to the gun shop's roof. If people excaping eastern germany can build one, why not a bunch of survivors with nothing but time on their hands? The hot air baloons can also be used to get the hell out of the area, although your destination will be largely random so its a last ditch effort when all else fails. Kind of like an escape pod. Towards the end of Dawn of the Dead (2004) there was a large crowd of Zombies packed together. Come on people! The more you pack in the easier they are to burn. You want to know how to take out a lot of the bastards? Mix up gasoline and find as much styrofoam as you can. It will disolve in the gas creating a napalm (am I scaring you yet? lol) and it will stick to anything. Be patient, stay calm, take you ****ing time...you can plenty of it. Start soaking zomibes with the napalm, or anything flammable really. Use a malatov cocktail and burn the sons of bitches! Shit if you had been shooting the Zombies constantly like I said you should also have a nice layer of dead Zombies to catch fire. If you want to survive I'm probably the person you want with you. I will stop at nothing to save my ass and as long as your a few steps behind your safe with me. Shit if you run out of bullets, explosives, and flammable shit there are still ways to clear the way. Make a rope with a 4 pronged hook on it, set up a pully system as well if you can. Toss the hook down to the ground and hook a Zombie. Drag the bastard high enough on the wall to but a long spear right into his head. When I say "long spear" I mean a pole of anykind with a sharp edge attached to it. When you've killed the Zombie, pull him up, rip out the rook, and toss the zombie into a nice pile you can throw a malatov to burn latter. Can also be used to set up a nice burn area to kill more zombies advancing on your position. With a rope, hook, and spear, you can kill Zombies with a little work and patience as a last ditch effort. In reality in a giant mall such as Cross-Roads you should have enough flammable and/or other weapons to use before that option is even tried. What frustrates me about most people in the movie versions depicting outbreaks is that people always think they have to save person "A" or get to another location. No, no, no! The first thing you want to do is wait it out for awhile. Wait for all the other idiots doing the running game to get killed off first. Paniced survivors with no plan on the run are just as dangerous as Zombies.

7.) In Max Brook's Zombie Survival guide it actually tells you to do all power generation and boiler burning in the basement. He has a lot of good advice but this will get you killed. You will wake up dead. Do you know what happens when you burn stoves, or even run a car in an enclosed area? The exhaust will kill you. Don't be stupid! Very, very bad advice. You need good ventilation to do such things, and most options such as opening a window are just plain dumb (unless on a second story building/house).

8.) Max says that you should burn all bodies. Only if attractive more Zombies is a moot point! If you kill two Zombies and thats all there was you should burry them! If someone in your party dies you should burry them! What does a mountain lion do sometimes when it makes a kill and wants some for later? It hides the meat and burries it! Natural selection can't be wrong. If it didn't work that trait wouldn't have survived. If take a survivor who recently died and burn them your going to put a scent in the area and every undead within a 10 mil radius will probably be on their way. Think about it. If your in bear country who do you want to stay with? The guy who finds a bunch of dead dear and burns them, or the one who burries them? Go ahead and burn them and watch how many bears show up looking for food. Zombies are a preditor...think about it.

Anyways. Thats all I have to say for now. Do any of you have ideas and your opinions on survival?

[homelitexl]

noob much dude

[AZombieAttack]

Great post man. I do agree totally about Dawn.

[CAVU45]

1.) Weapon, Weapon, Weapon... The first thing I am going to do is get a weapon. Without it I'm little more then Zombie food. Its the very first thing you should get and keep it near at all times.

A true survivor would have a weapon and be familiar with its use long before it's needed.

2.) Get to a defensible position immediatly, and if you are in a defensible position stay there unless breached.

Define defensible position. A high rise, mall, Wal-Mart?

3.) Secure the area. Patrol your "base", do not split up, do make sure everyone is armed in your party, and do a once over of the entire area. As you go by do simple physical securing like locking doors and windows (and closing curtins).

See #1. A true survivor would have a weapon before it's needed.

3.) Reinforce the area. Push heavy things in front of windows and doors, ect Fortrify the entire "base".

Even a mindless group, if large enough, can knock heavy objects out of the way.

4.) Secure supplies, and yes its a good idea to fill up all your sinks and bathtubs with water. I would go a step further. Fill up every container you can find with water. Make sure its clean though, and don't waste time filling up containers that contained anything potentially toxic. Cleaning it will waste time and water. Just fill up everything else. You should always have a bad with necessities in it encase you have to abandon your area. Keep your water and no perishiable foods in the highest or most secure position in the house. Also take ropes, ladders, ect up to the highest level so that you can make it to the roof and potentially escape onto another house's rooftop as wel (if need be).

A true survivor would have at least a small stockpile of supplies. After getting all that water, how will you keep it potable?

5.) Survivors panicing to get in brings up several issues. First of all if survivors know your in there, there is a good chance the Zombies do too. It is probably obvious that your in the building. This is not good. Second of all, anyone stupid enough to go running around screaming and banging on doors isn't someone you want in your party. Panic people will get you all killed, especially children. Children could do a number of ignorant or stupid things to get you killed. Third, there is a high probability that the person is already infected. It may sound harsh and selfish, but as a male I'm only going to go out of my way to save a useful male or a good looking viable female and only if its a relatively easy and safe operation. Anyone you let in your party should be inspected immediately for obvious infectious bites, and then corentine them for several days so you know for sure they aren't infected. Before you insult me for my reasoning you should realize this is survival, and I intend on doing that nothing more or less.

How would you know that a person is "useful"? Will he be carrying a sign? And what's with this "viable female" stuff? What happens if this "viable female" wants nothing to do with you? How would you even know she's "viable"?

6.) Dawn of the dead (2004) annoyed the Hell out of me. Yes I enjoyed the movie but these people were ignorant and oblivious to what they should have been doing. If you have undead near your location KILL THEM! Don't be stingy with those bullets. Its easier to shoot the pirrana in the barrel before they are dumped into your cute lil' pond full of coy and goldfish. How many people are even in Milwakee? Zombies most-likely wonder along aimlessly until they either smell, see, or hear prey. These Zombies are the people from the area (duh) within the "sense" range of your party. It isn't imposible to kill them off in your area so you can at least secure the next building, especially when the next building is a GUN SHOP with a marksmen that is worth more then his weight in food and water. If every single person was standing in one area side by side it would be a small point on the Earth. People are not infinite, thus neither or Zombies. Hell if for some reason you "can't" get to him (or the Gun Shop) from the ground you can at least use your brain. Zip lines, ladders, something. Try everything to get to other roofs, ect. With all of that propane and gas in the basement, and the useless material wasted for help signs they could have yes, built a hot air baloon and with a zip line pulled it in to the gun shop's roof. If people excaping eastern germany can build one, why not a bunch of survivors with nothing but time on their hands? The hot air baloons can also be used to get the hell out of the area, although your destination will be largely random so its a last ditch effort when all else fails. Kind of like an escape pod. Towards the end of Dawn of the Dead (2004) there was a large crowd of Zombies packed together. Come on people! The more you pack in the easier they are to burn. You want to know how to take out a lot of the bastards? Mix up gasoline and find as much styrofoam as you can. It will disolve in the gas creating a napalm (am I scaring you yet? lol) and it will stick to anything. Be patient, stay calm, take you ****ing time...you can plenty of it. Start soaking zomibes with the napalm, or anything flammable really. Use a malatov cocktail and burn the sons of bitches! Shit if you had been shooting the Zombies constantly like I said you should also have a nice layer of dead Zombies to catch fire. If you want to survive I'm probably the person you want with you. I will stop at nothing to save my ass and as long as your a few steps behind your safe with me. Shit if you run out of bullets, explosives, and flammable shit there are still ways to clear the way. Make a rope with a 4 pronged hook on it, set up a pully system as well if you can. Toss the hook down to the ground and hook a Zombie. Drag the bastard high enough on the wall to but a long spear right into his head. When I say "long spear" I mean a pole of anykind with a sharp edge attached to it. When you've killed the Zombie, pull him up, rip out the rook, and toss the zombie into a nice pile you can throw a malatov to burn latter. Can also be used to set up a nice burn area to kill more zombies advancing on your position. With a rope, hook, and spear, you can kill Zombies with a little work and patience as a last ditch effort. In reality in a giant mall such as Cross-Roads you should have enough flammable and/or other weapons to use before that option is even tried. What frustrates me about most people in the movie versions depicting outbreaks is that people always think they have to save person "A" or get to another location. No, no, no! The first thing you want to do is wait it out for awhile. Wait for all the other idiots doing the running game to get killed off first. Paniced survivors with no plan on the run are just as dangerous as Zombies.

You say to use the bullets, which make noise, then admonsih folks for possibly making noise and attracting attention. Which is it? I noticed the mall talk.....BTW if your sole intention is to save your own ass, no matter what, you're the very last person I'd want near me or my people.

7.) In Max Brook's Zombie Survival guide it actually tells you to do all power generation and boiler burning in the basement. He has a lot of good advice but this will get you killed. You will wake up dead. Do you know what happens when you burn stoves, or even run a car in an enclosed area? The exhaust will kill you. Don't be stupid! Very, very bad advice. You need good ventilation to do such things, and most options such as opening a window are just plain dumb (unless on a second story building/house).

Many homes have natural gas furnaces and water heaters in the basement.

8.) Max says that you should burn all bodies. Only if attractive more Zombies is a moot point! If you kill two Zombies and thats all there was you should burry them! If someone in your party dies you should burry them! What does a mountain lion do sometimes when it makes a kill and wants some for later? It hides the meat and burries it! Natural selection can't be wrong. If it didn't work that trait wouldn't have survived. If take a survivor who recently died and burn them your going to put a scent in the area and every undead within a 10 mil radius will probably be on their way. Think about it. If your in bear country who do you want to stay with? The guy who finds a bunch of dead dear and burns them, or the one who burries them? Go ahead and burn them and watch how many bears show up looking for food. Zombies are a preditor...think about it.

You gave a halfassed recipe for "napalm" and tell people to burn the zombies. Now you say don't burn them because it only attracts more of them. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

[AZombieAttack]

Ok this thought hit me last night....


What if... you go to a very remote beach area. (Assuming the zombies are slow moving) they should have alot of difficulty walking in the sand as it is. You could set simple trip wires up for sound, easyily dig trenches. Fish for food ect.....


Thoughts on this?

[mattifikation]

Fire + Zombies = Fiery Zombies.

[Darkness1328]

Fire + Zombies = Fiery Zombies.

ZOMG!!!!!! Fiery zombies! They would burn out eventually, but not before setting fire to your whole environment, including you if you don't get the hell out of there. DON'T SET ZOMBIES ON FIRE UNLESS YOU ARE VACATING THE AREA, OR HAVE A WAY OF CONTROLLING THE FIRE!! (with the obvious flaw of wasting water).

[mattifikation]

I wouldn't recommend fire even if you were vacating the area. Without a fire department to keep things in check, one burning zombie could quickly turn into thousands and thousands of acres of forest fire.

[kiltedninja]

It's been raining for three days here in portland, I'm not gonna be using fire.

We've got multiple locations we could go to from here, an abandoned but entirely intact warehouse nearby, a fully fenced in house, my high school, the sportsman's warehouse next door(literally like 2 houses down from mine). I think the warehouse would be our best bet.

[AZombieAttack]

I think the fire them thought was brought up as a solution in DOTD 2 . There was a parking lot slap full of zombies. In this case.....from the roof top...I say hell yeah burn them with simple molitov cocktails. Their in a parking lot and you're in a masonary building. Kill them, kill them all!!!! Let them keep comming eventually you are going to increase your chance of getting out of there.

Fire is a risk, but with the right surroundings...burn baby burn... May not smell so good but hey.... whatcha gonna do? :puke:

[homelitexl]

easy im stayin vault 666

[mattifikation]

I think you'd be surprised at what enough fire can do to a "non-flammable" building.

[rogeneck]

if zombies just decide to huddle around the building im in and i can get to a roof i think ill just tie a cinder block to a rope and chuck it off hit one in the head and bring it back up. repeat. of course cinder blocks are very weak and will probably just break on the first head it hit but what ever.

[Sammo909]

if zombies just decide to huddle around the building im in and i can get to a roof i think ill just tie a cinder block to a rope and chuck it off hit one in the head and bring it back up. repeat. of course cinder blocks are very weak and will probably just break on the first head it hit but what ever.

Replace the cinder block with a 10 kilogram weight from the sporting goods, just loop it through the middle and tada! Instant reusable weapon.

[AZombieAttack]

I would assume that DOTD 2 would have fire safe measures. Throwing burning material on them from the roof should be pretty easy to put out if need be.

Mass them into an area, have your fire safe plan ready and burn them. In that case yes it is a very viable option and one I would suggest. The allreay had the escape vehicles, distract them to the easiest place to control a blaze and burn.....pretty safe and simple IMO. Being a licensed insurance adjuster in the state of NC Im well aware what it takes to burn certain material/s

[mattifikation]

Fire safe measures such as sprinkler systems and hoses, which rely on the public water system to still be up and running? Here's the thing. Water is usually distributed by first pumping it into an elevated water tower, and then letting it drain down to the communities it serves.

Those pumps require electricity. The electricity comes from the power grid, which is incredibly weak in this country. A single power line going down because, for example, a telephone pole was hit by a panicking motorist can cause havoc on that grid.

[CAVU45]

There are other types of hydrants or "plugs" that dopn't require electricity to run pumps. They're called "dry" hydrants. But a pumper truck is required to pull the water from the plug.

[AZombieAttack]

There are other types of hydrants or "plugs" that dopn't require electricity to run pumps. They're called "dry" hydrants. But a pumper truck is required to pull the water from the plug.


This is correct and allmost ALL building like these would have to comply to strict fire codes. Sprinklers wont do you any good outside (obviosly) but there should be plent of fire hose that should work from their vantage point, even if it is gravity fead. If the gravity feed wont work from the roof, make the biggest container you can and place it higher than you. May be alot of work filling it up, but hey you got nothing but time on your hands.

If not have a tone of water on hand, to dump in the area you have specified to gather them in. As long as your structure does not catch fire who care about the surrounding buildings? With the right planning this would work IMO, with very good results.

[CAVU45]

Without a fire department to call on I'd worry plenty about surrounding buildings catching fire. There's nothing to stop that fire from spreading to the one you occupy.

[Darkness]

"We do have a fine Thread, on Fire and Zombies...."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16169
".......Please take the present conversation there, and get back on topic in this one. Thank you."

[AZombieAttack]

Without a fire department to call on I'd worry plenty about surrounding buildings catching fire. There's nothing to stop that fire from spreading to the one you occupy.

Guys yes you're right about fires, but you are missing my point, of a strategic place you set fire to. Plus in that movie they allready had get away vehicles, whats it gonna hurt to take out a few 100 of them before you make the dash..... If the plan works well, then the 'dash' is not even neccesary.

I promise you I could take that location by the loading docks and make it into a fire pit without the risk of a major spread. Or at least I could devise a plan to save our building. We are talking about a masonry building with (Im sure fire proff measures allmost everywhere) and what....10 people to help....

One feiry zombie makes a run for it then have the guy on the gunshop roof take him out. Just a plan is all.

[AZombieAttack]

ok...ok plan DOTD 2


loading docks....attrack as many zombies as you can in that area. It is sloped and will make it mutch harder for them to run out. Start the fire 'behing the zombies you have attracked in the pit, force them toward you then douse them and set ablaze. The size of that pit I'd say you'd take out 50 or so on each try. As they stack up in the rear it will only make it that much harder for returning zombies to get out of a new fire.

[homelitexl]

dude good luck im just gonna go underground

[ZombieBoy]

This is best case scenario in my opinion.

Offshore.

I would try to group up with an able bodied team of people (I mean giant team of people, like 100 or so), and my reason for picking a group so large, is that I would intend to find a unoccupied cruise ship, load it with food, and leave, because in most cases zombies cannot swim.

[kiltedninja]

I'm going to go into the Wallowa mountains. It's a huge mountain range with alot of resources and high ground.

[angekfire]

I think my work would be a decent place. It is basically the size of 4 warehouses, and each can be seperated off from the others by a huge sliding steel door which can be locked. So if 1 area becomes infected, it can easily be cut locked off. The building has a back-up generator, so we would have some power for a bit longer. There is a cafeteria that probably has enough food & water to last a few weeks (if there were a decent number of survivors) or longer if well rationed. There is a lot of heavy equipment and forklifts which can be moved to barracade any vulnerable areas. I guess it would be a decent place to hold up until a better plan could be formulated, and it wouldn't involve needing to travel through zombie mobs if I were already there. There are also usually big rigs around for deliveries and such, so with that in mind, when we did need to escape, we could make an attempt to rig up the truck, stock it with all our supplies and travel to wherever we need to go.

My house would be a terrible place to try to fortify. Yes, there would be a decent amount of supplies, but it is a back-level split, so there are too many windows that could be used as entrances, and trying to live it out in the basement would basically be creating myself a tomb.

My best option would probably be trying to get out of town ASAP to my uncle's cottage. It isn't easy to fortify, but he has a lot of tools & supplies that could be used to fortify, it is waterfront, so if needed we could escape into the lake. It is also pretty remote, so it would take a long time for the infection to spread that far, and even when it did, it would probably mostly be strays that have wandered their way there. There isn't a big food supply though, but the ground is fertile enough that we could grow food, and it is in a forest so if needed would could hunt or fish for food.

[mattifikation]

I hope you know how to run a ship.

You might be in for a nasty shock when you find out how much fuel you have to steal in order to keep that thing running.

[AZombieAttack]

OK I change.... Off shore oil rigg.. plenty of supplies, TOTALLY defendable against raiders, not to mention fishing and the option to make land raids if neccesary.

[CAVU45]

It takes a helll of alot of maintenance to keep those rigs in one piece. Usually there's a good sized crew just for that purpose.

[ShotGunGuy93]

I live 15 minutes from Kirtland Air Force base so assuming its still open Id head there..yes I have a base pass..

[mattifikation]

The military base? Really? Why not just head to the hospital, police station, or Wal-Mart?

[ShotGunGuy93]

The military base? Really? Why not just head to the hospital, police station, or Wal-Mart?

Assuming you're being sarcastic..Have you ever seen the geography of Kirtland? look it up..

[CAVU45]

Military bases are notoriously easy to break into. They really aren't that secure.

[mattifikation]

Geography, shmeography.

The problem with military bases is that they're another one of those places that hundreds or thousands of other people are also going to have the "bright idea" of going to.

Hundreds or thousands of potentially infected people, who are all panicking, desperate liabilities. These hordes would quickly render the bases uninhabitable by consuming supplies, getting in the way, and more than likely turning into a whole buttload of zombies.

Checking people at the gates for signs of infection won't help, either. The massive throng of people waiting outside the base to be inspected will be full of infected people who will be just waiting to turn.

If you went to a military base, you'd be surrounded by disasters waiting to happen.

[ShotGunGuy93]

Geography, shmeography.

The problem with military bases is that they're another one of those places that hundreds or thousands of other people are also going to have the "bright idea" of going to.

Hundreds or thousands of potentially infected people, who are all panicking, desperate liabilities. These hordes would quickly render the bases uninhabitable by consuming supplies, getting in the way, and more than likely turning into a whole buttload of zombies.

Checking people at the gates for signs of infection won't help, either. The massive throng of people waiting outside the base to be inspected will be full of infected people who will be just waiting to turn.

If you went to a military base, you'd be surrounded by disasters waiting to happen.

Well.....nevermind...

Stay in my house I guess?

[mattifikation]

Depending on your house, it actually might be a good idea.

Instead of hightailing it to some other place and hoping that it has everything I need, I'll just be staying home and knowing exactly what conditions I'll be under. If I absolutely have to bail on the house, I'll probably just look for a more secluded regular house.

Preferably one with small, barred, or high-up windows and heavy doors.

[AZombieAttack]

It takes a helll of alot of maintenance to keep those rigs in one piece. Usually there's a good sized crew just for that purpose.

Im sure you're right, but I wont be worried about drilling for oil. But by the time things start to fall apart, just move on, Im sure you could get a your year or more out of it.

[Findecan]

I guess the best thing to do overall (assuming you have partners who have their families ready as well as yours) would be to head far away from civilization. Up to the rockies, or up north, where there are fewer people, and where zombies will freeze due to their lack of temperature. I figure some remote town in Canada would be good. At least there will be supplies there, and time to prepare should an invasion occur. Assuming, of course, the infection hasn't spread that far yet.

These infections can spread like wildfire given the proper conditions, which sucks.

[homelitexl]

my fallout shelter

[kiltedninja]

If I could secure it quickly, the sportsman's down the street from my house.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

My friends house in the woods. For a couple of reasons.

1. Its is way out there and unless you have been there you wouldn't know it exists.

2. It is down a gravel driveway that is over a mile away from a real road and is easily missed. (especially when I get done camouflaging it.)

3. Hilly terrain with lots of rocks/ blackberry bushes etc to discourage going through the woods, at least of you have limited motor function or are looking for something to raid.

4. The house itself is on a hill so there are only 2 doors and 2 windows that can even be reached from ground level and could easily be fortified.

5. Plenty of yard space for gardens etc.

6. There are several good escape routes.

7. The only town within 30 miles is on the other side of a river and can only be accessed by two bridges, one of which is out in the boondocks, the other would probably end up with some sort of barrier to stop shamblers from getting through.

This would make a good place to hold out for a while at least. Long enough to figure out a more remote location and see how the zeds act. (for all we know they could just wander in circles around the same block)

[Jazza11]

I would either go to the shopping mall near me and hold up there if not there there is a army, navy and airforce base all within 30minutes of me so i would be fine i rekon

[angekfire]

My friends house in the woods. For a couple of reasons.

1. Its is way out there and unless you have been there you wouldn't know it exists.

2. It is down a gravel driveway that is over a mile away from a real road and is easily missed. (especially when I get done camouflaging it.)

3. Hilly terrain with lots of rocks/ blackberry bushes etc to discourage going through the woods, at least of you have limited motor function or are looking for something to raid.

4. The house itself is on a hill so there are only 2 doors and 2 windows that can even be reached from ground level and could easily be fortified.

5. Plenty of yard space for gardens etc.

6. There are several good escape routes.

7. The only town within 30 miles is on the other side of a river and can only be accessed by two bridges, one of which is out in the boondocks, the other would probably end up with some sort of barrier to stop shamblers from getting through.

This would make a good place to hold out for a while at least. Long enough to figure out a more remote location and see how the zeds act. (for all we know they could just wander in circles around the same block)


I don't think camouflage or bushes is going to discourage zombies. They will just wander aimlessly until they find someone to eat.

[kiltedninja]

My friends house in the woods. For a couple of reasons.

1. Its is way out there and unless you have been there you wouldn't know it exists.

2. It is down a gravel driveway that is over a mile away from a real road and is easily missed. (especially when I get done camouflaging it.)

3. Hilly terrain with lots of rocks/ blackberry bushes etc to discourage going through the woods, at least of you have limited motor function or are looking for something to raid.

4. The house itself is on a hill so there are only 2 doors and 2 windows that can even be reached from ground level and could easily be fortified.

5. Plenty of yard space for gardens etc.

6. There are several good escape routes.

7. The only town within 30 miles is on the other side of a river and can only be accessed by two bridges, one of which is out in the boondocks, the other would probably end up with some sort of barrier to stop shamblers from getting through.

This would make a good place to hold out for a while at least. Long enough to figure out a more remote location and see how the zeds act. (for all we know they could just wander in circles around the same block)

Where exactly in the middle of nowhere, Oregon are you? Can my buddies and I come stay with you and your friend out in the woods on Zday? We'd help out with fortifying, farming and supply gathering and all that good stuff. Plus there's only four or five of us. Depends on how many of us make it.

[mattifikation]

I forgot you're in Oregon. You should look at the various "projected fallout maps" for nuclear wars and meltdowns. You'd be pretty happy to see that nearly the entire state is usually left untouched.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

Oregon Wins. I live east of Corvallis in a Podunk little hick town.

AngelKfire.... you try to walk up hill through blackberry bushes. They aren't going to try and walk through that, they will just wonder on past until they see something that catches their eye. Like houses ten feet from the road or a car or fence..

[Shufflef00t]

opening stages of the panic? I'm securing my Apartment building untill I can asses the situation outside and devise a plan. Stage 2 is to hit the old mans house up the street. It may sound cold, but he's a goner anyway, and I know he has 2 good trucks and a few guns. From there, its stock-piling and fortifying one of the abandoned schools in my town.

[TheSurvivalist]

Easy solution to get away from the zombies?(at least for those near the coast)
Once Z-Day hits, get or group together and grab a Coast Guard or Navy ship, or just you average cruise ship. Raid ports for supplies, at least until you've got enough for a decent amount of time. (Once Z-day hits, the military will be going crazy, and be pretty much useless. To many people would abandon to go to their families. In this confusion, it wouldnt be hard to take a ship from port)

Then head towards New-Zealand, Hawaii, Madagascar, or other small islands. Clear the zombies out of them. It should be overly hard keeping zombies away, as they are islands. Just clear it once and you'll be good. Set up a colony or base of operations there. You can grow your food there, and get the factories up and running to supply your group.

From there, you work on clearing out larger areas such as Austailia, or other large islands. And by the time you do that, your group should be quite size able.

As you would have control of a previous country, you would also most likely have control of their military bases(Or whats left of them). If the island you cleared has an airforce base, then check the base for and unmanned vehicles, such as a Predator. Use the Predator to scout out cities, and destroy high density zombie areas.

By doing this, you would slowly but surely, rid the world of the undead. And in a rather safe manner too.

[TheSurvivalist]

With my group i'd take control of a ship(as big as I can get), gather as many people and supplies I can, and then head to New Zealand or Madagascar. From there I would proceed to clear the chosen island of zombies, and set up a base of operations/colony there. For food, water etc. Zombies cant swim, so clearing an island would be the best way to get a colony set up in my opinion.

[CAVU45]

That's an easy solution? Methinks you haven't really thought your plan through or you'd realize how complex it would be to put it into practice.

[kiltedninja]

Oregon Wins. I live east of Corvallis in a Podunk little hick town.

AngelKfire.... you try to walk up hill through blackberry bushes. They aren't going to try and walk through that, they will just wonder on past until they see something that catches their eye. Like houses ten feet from the road or a car or fence..

Do you live out in Lebanon? I used to live in Corvallis when I was little.

[Patrickwontsurvive]

Correct. Where I would hold up is out in the woods past Lacomb. Not much out there.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, the simple solution is to just steal a ship from the god damned Navy and then with your crew, clear out all of fvcking Hawaii or New Zealand, and then clear out Australia. I mean, Australia isn't all that big, right? This plan will be simple, I'm sure!!"

:loon:

[kiltedninja]

Correct. Where I would hold up is out in the woods past Lacomb. Not much out there.

Fairly mountainous terrain out there, good stuff. My original plan was to get out to the Wallowas. I like this plan better.

[Bob]

Who is going to maintain this ship?
You?

[AZombieAttack]

Hmm.... the navy starts handing out ships and crews to civilians... Seriously man, while I like aggression, it is not plausible.

[kiltedninja]

If I could, I'd hold up right here, or across the street at my best friend's house. His house is fully fenced in. Or my neighbour with the chainlink fence, I might go talk to him.

[sk8rmichael]

i would stay at my house becauseee its in a small town near a mountain in colorado my nearest neibor is like a quarter mile away :lol:
also becaus my house is a adobe or watever and roofs good for sniping and we got alota guns anda lota amo and alota other suplies ;)

[Darius]

Easy solution to get away from the zombies?(at least for those near the coast)
Once Z-Day hits, get or group together and grab a Coast Guard or Navy ship, or just you average cruise ship. Raid ports for supplies, at least until you've got enough for a decent amount of time. (Once Z-day hits, the military will be going crazy, and be pretty much useless. To many people would abandon to go to their families. In this confusion, it wouldnt be hard to take a ship from port)

Then head towards New-Zealand, Hawaii, Madagascar, or other small islands. Clear the zombies out of them. It should be overly hard keeping zombies away, as they are islands. Just clear it once and you'll be good. Set up a colony or base of operations there. You can grow your food there, and get the factories up and running to supply your group.

From there, you work on clearing out larger areas such as Austailia, or other large islands. And by the time you do that, your group should be quite size able.

As you would have control of a previous country, you would also most likely have control of their military bases(Or whats left of them). If the island you cleared has an airforce base, then check the base for and unmanned vehicles, such as a Predator. Use the Predator to scout out cities, and destroy high density zombie areas.

By doing this, you would slowly but surely, rid the world of the undead. And in a rather safe manner too.

Oh man i'd love to see you try that

[Darius]

I would stay home and barricade it. I live in a small town more like a village it has a high fence almost all around it so i would need to cooperate with neighbours to secure the rest of the village. Theres only one main road and smaller paths that lead to a bigger town thats 1 killometer away plus the village is on a hill surounded by forest. A good thing about the main road is that you need to go another killometer till you reach the village and when looking at it from the end of the road it seems like theres nothing but forest.