Where Will You Hold Up?

[kiltedninja]

I could even make a chainsaw launcher. Launch spinning blades of death at Zack. I'd bring some books too, reading would be a helpful thing to help keeep me sane.

[homelitexl]

wow we should try that .

[Slayer]

Nice thing with the home depot, just go to the rear and you could drive your vehicles right in! Open the door and drive out when you need to, no need to risk your life leaving the building to reach your transport.

[homelitexl]

see we should all go to the same home depot when this happens we would outlast everyone.

[PitBullDog]

Well, I would probably take my Barrett 98B, Benelli Supernova, Walther P99, H&K 45, my Gerber Gator Machete and my Beretta CX4. Hop in my Unicat Amerigo and drive...I'd pick up as many armed survivors as I could and make it up to Canada to save those poor unarmed souls...

(BTW this is my dream when i get older, i don't own any of these guns yet, lol)

[the_velociraptor]

Ohhh...let's say, Beginning of "The Great Panic", if you've read World War Z. If you haven't "The Great Panic" is when the zombie sh*t REALLY hit the fan. Mass numbers of Zack (Zombies)began overrunning everything.

Well, shit.

Structures nearby that have two floors are either scarce, or hold no tactical value.

My attic is a deathtrap.

I do not have friends or buddies I can hole up with.

I'll have to try City College, that is, if I can get through the traffic jams and zombies.

[homelitexl]

Well, I would probably take my Barrett 98B, Benelli Supernova, Walther P99, H&K 45, my Gerber Gator Machete and my Beretta CX4. Hop in my Unicat Amerigo and drive...I'd pick up as many armed survivors as I could and make it up to Canada to save those poor unarmed souls...

(BTW this is my dream when i get older, i don't own any of these guns yet, lol)

dude how old are you i mean man im 16 and i still own 12 guns.

[brandenpwns]

to me it depends whats near my hold up and what it is. for example i would most likely be near somewhere that has a close supply of food,water,weapons,medical supplies, and chemical factory[ i am a scholar in chemistry :) ]. and the hold up its self must have a roof that i can get onto::: for lets say a helicopter pad :loon:

[Dave Of The Dead]

A log cabin. They are relatively easy to build if you have the manpower and I couldn't imagine a zombie clawing its way through a tree. As long as you have the right kind of door, you should be in tip-top shape until supplies run low.
Of course, I don't have the land or time to build one right now, so I'll just go on with mapping and exploring the local factories and warehouses. So far I have 4 warehouses and 1 factory that are satisfactory. The best of the 5 has no windows, 2 steel doors, and 1 garage door/loading dock. Right now the place is being used as a metal fabrication shop, so there should be plenty of supplies and scrap in there to barricade and fortify the place even more.

[mattifikation]

Hey, check out this place:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/isla-san-pedro-chile.htm

Oh yeah.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Hey, check out this place:

http://www.privateislandsonline.com/isla-san-pedro-chile.htm

Oh yeah.

Alright, so who wants to chip in for this? I'll put in about 50 dollars. So I get at least 1 acre to myself. I'm going to dig me an underground lair!

[mattifikation]

Hey heyyy. At 16,000 acres for 12 million bucks, It comes to about 750 an acre. Pitch in 750 and you get a whole acre.

I'll put in $1,500 for two acres.

[Militaris]

I did not read the entire thread so this might have already been covered. A museum could be a good place to hold up, they are typically inside old builders which are normally made strongly out of stone or brick.

The windows are typically quite secure and are normally off the ground. The doors are typically heavy if not fortified to protect the valuable items store inside.

Many have internal gardens or courtyards which could be cultivated to provide food. They also have quite a few antique weapons which could be used as weapons and items in the displays could be used to make every day living more comfortable especially once electricity is lost.

What do they lack? A long term supply of food, fuel and ammunition.

With a bit of luck they could be situated inside a fenced off park so could even have potential for long term survival :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

Good idea. Nobody hardly goes to museums now, why would anyone go there after zombies start walking?

[Militaris]

A few people might go there to loot the swords, maces and other melee weapons... A few idiots might try and wear the display amour which would probably be to small for them.

[homelitexl]

do you mean people like me would try to use the armor

[gama169]

Well, in a mass outbreak, what choice do I have but my home? I'd never get any where usefull in time. But, if I could, I'd find a map,look at vuildings to ick a slightly ideal spot (everyone will go for ideal, so go to less than but stll some what ideal places to be kept from being locked from it) and head there. But only if I COULD, which I probably COULD'T.

[bleahh]

I'll stay at the abandoned water tower we used to play in when we were kids.The water storage container can be hollowed out and modified into a shelter. I dont think zombies can fly so I'll be safe. BUT if there's such at thing as zombified animals in the outbreak then I'm pretty much screwed.

[homelitexl]

dude thats not a bad idea.

[mattifikation]

The museum's not a bad idea. Most museums are in downtown, heavily populated areas though. It might be better off as a place to hunker down in once the hordes have spread out of the towns.

[homelitexl]

you have a point

[GamingMaiden]

Hm....I'd go generic and go to a mall. There would be multiple places to escape them from and lose them for a good amount of time. And if you were lucky, you could come across a gun or knives shop. You may call it wishful thinking but hey, gotta hope. :lol:

I think I think way too much about this. How knows? It could happen. :)

[Gentech Oasis]

My basement! I have water and two + years of food there. The house is cool in that it isnt readily apparent that there is a basement. It is very defensible.

[homelitexl]

well i would build a really big tree house

[Sin]

(Im sure this has done before...but I wasn't here)

What would you do?

In my personal opinion I would take the never ending road trip option.

1. Based that zombies will never let up so if you stick in one place they will get in eventually. Unless you plan on getting rescued locking yourself somewhere is a bad idea.

2. You WILL run out of food no matter what happens. Unless you keep moving.

3. In the end of it all you will die I'd take old age then mauled by flesh eating corpses any day. Also cars have gas in them so if you run out of gas move to a new vehicle.

Though there is advantages in hiding. The fact of always knowing surroundings is always nice, but it doesn't stop a giant mob.

[kiltedninja]

I'm gonna die of cancer before I die of old age.

I'd get moving, simply because I don't have much in my house. Plus someone has to bring Hotlead his beer.

[homelitexl]

thats what homeltie and bobs beer brewery delivery service is for

[LiftWidget]

I think, if I would hear of a massive breakout, I would first visit my schoolhouse(it's like 100 meters from my room) and it's shooting range, I know there are some .22 guns there and nice load of ammunition. Next, I would find out what my friends are going to do and then probably get the hell out from the town and civilization and go to my girlfriend's place in the middle of woods and nowhere. And his dad has a nice hunting rifle also, so that's my quick plan I came up with.

[Mobius]

Greetings to all!

I was enjoying a smoke with a friend and was wondering if Z-day was upon us, Where would we post up... For the mean time at least.

I was thinking a Wal-mart. They have food, guns, concrete walls and massive amounts of crap to barricade the front doors. PLUS they have access to the top of the buildings via INDOOR hatch!!

It would be a mecca of sorts..

Your thoughts...

[kiltedninja]

As long as you don't run out of cigarettes then you're set.

But remember that almost everyone is going to think of that one man.

I live a block away from the local Wallyworld, but I'd rather not go there, since the Walmarts in the state of Oregon no longer sell guns.

[Noc]

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

if im correct this is the same kind of thread:lol:

unless im missing what this one is actually about lol

[kiltedninja]

Same stuff man, so yeah, I'll direct my next post thataway.

[kiltedninja]

I'd try and get the twenty miles to my dad's house, grab my rifle, and then get to my best friend's house(my girlfriend would already be there, this is plan A) From there, we'd start heading south.

[Mobius]

As long as you don't run out of cigarettes then you're set.

But remember that almost everyone is going to think of that one man.

I live a block away from the local Wallyworld, but I'd rather not go there, since the Walmarts in the state of Oregon no longer sell guns.

It's WOman hunnie pie.

Yeah I guess the wal-mart would be thought of fast but by like minded individuals. Chaos might happen "much like in Dawn of the dead" BUT wiht some already had firepower and a few numbers... We should be ok to fight off douche bags and over take/hold off wal-mart..

[ZombieGore]

My plan is so much better than everybody elses. Unfortunately I can not share it with you...:evil:

[Mobius]

My plan is so much better than everybody elses. Unfortunately I can not share it with you...:evil:

AA HAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Yeah, I know who I'm gonna mistake for a zombie when time comes... hee hee:evil::evil::evil:

[ZombieGore]

AA HAHAHAHAHHAHA!

Yeah, I know who I'm gonna mistake for a zombie when time comes... hee hee:evil::evil::evil:

Im actually bulletproof so im not going to worry about it...

[slayer1222]

a tree house in the forest is a good one because you dont realy have to leave the trees you can build bridges across trees and for food there is fruit and animals you can make spears and rope and hunt from the trees and boil rainwater

[Bob]

Dude you ain't Tarzan.
How are you planning on building these bridges across trees.
Fruit and hunting in the trees?
Either you live in Africa near a rain forest or you need to think about this one some more.

[slayer1222]

first u have never met me so how do u no i am not tarzan and i am and second i do live in africa

[Mobius]

first u have never met me so how do u no i am not tarzan and i am and second i do live in africa

Don't get all defensive now dear. It does seem far fetched to be all medicine man in the forest.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you get a hideout somewhere up above the ground where zombies can't get up, plan on being there until the end, or plan on having a helo or something. If one zed notices you up in your tree or watertower or whatever, he will probably wait for you to come down and probably make enough noise to attract more and more zombies. Sooner or later, there will be nothing but a sea of rotting flesh surging beneath you.

[Bob]

first u have never met me so how do u no i am not tarzan and i am and second i do live in africa

first u have never met me so how do u no i am not tarzan and i am and second i do live in africa

Tsk Tsk Tarzan

Did Cheeta eat the y and o keys on your keyboard?
Also its called a CAPTIAL LETTER.
I know you are not Tarzan because you are wait for it...
wait for it...
wait for it...
an illiterate ass.

You live in Africa huh
Well in several of your posts you say you are in the UK and the last time I checked Africa was a continent not a town somewhere in England or Scotland or wherever the hell you really are.

If you want to dance with me you must at least know how to dance.
I don't have the patience to educate children nor am I qualified to teach the mentally handicapped.
Therefore this conversation is at an end.

[homelitexl]

wicked burn man that was awesome also them removable box beds on semi trailers that cranes carry you can buy them for like 2000 and there as big as a double wide just burry one in the ground as a hide out

[kiltedninja]

It's WOman hunnie pie.

Yeah I guess the wal-mart would be thought of fast but by like minded individuals. Chaos might happen "much like in Dawn of the dead" BUT wiht some already had firepower and a few numbers... We should be ok to fight off douche bags and over take/hold off wal-mart..

I apologize, I call everyone man, it's a bit of a habit.

I'd get what I could, and leave, I'd stay nomadic unless Hotlead has some superbadass base that I could stay at.

[homelitexl]

come to the south im trying to talk bob and if vj ever comes back ill try to get him to com to and well take over bass pro

[Bob]

VJ is eventually going to be back.
Real life is just kicking him in the balls on a daily basis.
Long story to personal to go into but I am starting to worry about him.

[Birdman44]

Theres been a lot of that going around lately.

But you would definately need a helicopter or a lot of ammo if you hid in a tree.

[homelitexl]

or a stick with a sharp point on it.

[FortDOOM]

I'd most definately choose the top of a building, and only one that is not easily accessible unless say... a rope ladder or something was used. I think this would be the best idea, seeing as it'd be harder for zombies to visually make contact with you and chase you. Me and my best friend figured out a rope ladder/zipline system to cross from building to building in case they did in fact get to one of us.

[kiltedninja]

But then you're exposed to the elements. What will you do when it starts snowing on you?

[Darius]

wicked burn man that was awesome also them removable box beds on semi trailers that cranes carry you can buy them for like 2000 and there as big as a double wide just burry one in the ground as a hide out

thats a pretty good idea tho i dont really think that yo would be fast enough to do that because you would need to reinforce the trailer dig a huge hole add a few air wents etc. zombies would be all over you by the time you finished doing this.

[Tomeh]

Wouldn't want to be bored.. I would rather die than go bored so I choose a mall just because I'll least have something to do.

[kiltedninja]

When I see your infected form staggering down the street, I'll show you mercy. The Mall is possibly the STUPIDEST place you could ever go in ZPAW.

I don't even want to be in town when SHTF.

[homelitexl]

thats a pretty good idea tho i dont really think that yo would be fast enough to do that because you would need to reinforce the trailer dig a huge hole add a few air wents etc. zombies would be all over you by the time you finished doing this.

do it right now so its safe

[Bob]

Sort of an Earth Home on the cheap...

There would be problems to overcome though.
Water infiltration, corrosion of the skin, if it settled how would you level it, you get the idea.

[Interdeadical]

The second I'd hear about Z-day, I'd throw as much food and water up into the attic and hold out up there. I know it's a crappy and basic plan, but I honestly don't think I'd be able to do much else :x

[Darius]

well i would build a really big tree house

tree house is a good idea but as i said earlier there wouldnt be that much time plus you would need to make it warm to hold up during winter also waterproof and yo uwould have to do something so the wood would not rot

[homelitexl]

johnsons water seal, and i like the underground home better.

[Sims doom]

Well this Small Blog or War that i think it will turn in too will be the base of you too the Viewer what place YOU on Z-day will be Your House , the Shops whatever you want? so started posting before someone else beats you too it

[Sims doom]

This is what ill be doing on Z-DAY ill be hiding out in my wall up house with a good stock pile of food weapons and stuff too make my house even more walled up easy as pie or ill just sit on the roof and wait too die or just start roof jumping hmm that would be fun or funny but if i fall ah im dead well thats what i mean started posting away!

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'll be sitting in my apartment reading almost incoherent run on sentences on a zombie forum almost like cake a house with legs

[bandits1]

OP - not exactly sure what you're writing, but I believe we already have a thread for this topic: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545 .

[kiltedninja]

I'll be at home, school, my girlfriend's house, or work.

Bandit, he's not talking about where you will hold up, but where you'd most likely be when it hits.

[CAVU45]

Well this Small Blog or War that i think it will turn in too will be the base of you too the Viewer what place YOU on Z-day will be Your House , the Shops whatever you want? so started posting before someone else beats you too it

What? Could someone translate this please?

[bandits1]

I'll be at home, school, my girlfriend's house, or work.

Bandit, he's not talking about where you will hold up, but where you'd most likely be when it hits.
I don't think that's what he's saying: "...will be the base of you too the Viewer what place YOU on Z-day will be Your House , the Shops whatever you want?" ...he seems to be asking what location you'd make your homebase at.

[mattifikation]

I'm guessing he won't be in school.

[CityOfChicago]

I'm guessing he won't be in school.

Now that's funny.

[bandits1]

I'm guessing he won't be in school.
Give the guy a break. I doubt he's from around here, and I also doubt any of us could communicate even half as well in his native language.



...but if it turns out english is his first language...lol...stand back.

[kiltedninja]

I'd be at school with my girlfriend, I'd also be dangling her brother from the roof by his ankles, very close to the ground, where the zombies could hypothetically grab and eat him if they were tall enough.

I'd also bring my friends, and my dog.

[fast1]

i will be at the mall, making sure all entry points are tightly sealed. the mall should have enough food supplies and space to house enough people to form a community to ward off possible dangerhttp://photosnag.com/img/3322/n09x0302vnsn/clear.gif

[CityOfChicago]

Most of my family and my close friends work in the same field as me. I'd like to think we'd be able to link up with our families to have a little group of our own with some decent shooters.

I think my plan would be to make it out as quietly and fast as possible to one of the smaller towns in the country of my state. One that has a 'city hall' building that also houses the sheriff's dept and jail would be preferable, I think. Such a building has multiple floors, jail cells (useable as extra rooms if needed), a refrigerator, and an infirmary (for inmates but now for us). Failing such a suitable building, the local bank is usually decently fortified by design. A small town could be better defended from zeds - I hope - because it's more isolated from other populations and the open expanses outside town give good warning of approaching danger.

Anyway, that's the plan I would float.

[homelitexl]

chicago good idea but a prison nearby the same town would work better wouldnt it?

[CityOfChicago]

I prison is an excellent idea. What keeps dudes in should keep dudes out. If you got completely surrounded you'd have no way of escape, but if you are sneaky you might go undetected.

Good call.

[homelitexl]

i was thinkin its easy to make self sufficient plus all the walls and the bars can be used to armor it better

[Dave Of The Dead]

But what about those inside the prison already? Either they are still there (as criminals or zombies) or someone has let them out. Both are unsafe and should be taken into consideration before entering an area with a large prison. I don't think you'd have much trouble with a court house or city hall kind of building because every time I've been in ours, it is pretty much void of all life.

[CityOfChicago]

I don't think you'd have much trouble with a court house or city hall kind of building because every time I've been in ours, it is pretty much void of all life.


Ha! :lol::lol:

[Xawmb]

I have one word to say... It's a very beautiful word, almost god like...

COSTCO

That's where I'd go.. But the nearest one to me is about a 20 minute drive. Plus the area is pretty populated(being such a popular place that Costco is).
So actually being able to get to it might be a challenge. But I have yet to see a Costco with windows... All the ones I have been to have this giant metal gate that slides down over the front doors. So it would be a perfectly fortified place, plus all of the supplies in that little bit of heaven on earth. So it would be a challenge worth taking on my behalf...

[mattifikation]

How are you going to handle the people who live 15, 10, or 5 minutes away who will all get there before you, and probably decide not to let you in?

[Xawmb]

That's one of the challenges I was thinking of...

My first action would be to ask really, really, really nicely... But if that didn't work I'd offer sexual favors... And if that didn't work I'd get ma' gangsta' lean on and start taken that hizza' ova'!

Not really.. I'd probably be screwed over unless I went to the Home Hardware which is beside a Wal-Mart. The front doorway of the HH is mostly glass, but it's full of wood and other crap that can be used to barricade the doors/glass. Plus fart-mart is just to the left(or right depending on which way you're facing) so more supplies could be gathered. Plus all the tools in there can be used as weapons.

But if that doesn't work out either I guess my only option from there would be to go back to my house and play Xbox 360?

[CityOfChicago]

My concern for Costco's and such is tat they always seem to be in a city or large suburb. It's gonna be zed central in a heartbeat. You'll look out the doors and have zeds 100 yards deep all the way around. No escape if you need it. Thats why I was saying someplace rural. Loot the crap outta the supermarket and wal-mart, then find a place in town to hold. Hopefully the distance from the city will a) keep the infection at bay longer and b) decrease the number of 'stenches' around.

[Xawmb]

I'm pretty sure, unless there's like a million zombies outside my own house, I'll just stay at my place. Windows are all about 6 feet from the ground on the main floor, front door is 3 feet from the ground and the backdoor is about 5 with wooden steps that can be taken apart and used for barricading. My basement has a few big windows but I'd bored off the basement with a thick door. I'd also reinforce my front and back doors just in case there's a dead body pile up in front of them that would make it easier for zombies to get to the doors.

I'd put a door by the steps leading to our second floor as a back up. I'd have a collapsible ladder to get out one of the windows which are only like 13 feet from ground level. A lot of the houses are not to far away from each other so relocating wouldn't be as bad.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Great thing about rural areas are the smaller hardware stores. Usually they are smaller businesses or personally owned places by some 80 year old guy who knows anything and everything about hardware. If its a small enough town in the middle of nowhere, they'll probably be better stocked than your average wal-mart just because the demand out in the country is better or suburban or urban populations. That means more supplies, which means more tools, which means better barricades, which means better chances of survival. Point made?

[CityOfChicago]

Point made?

No, can you try it again? :doh:

:lol:

[homelitexl]

i found a cold war bomb shelter in the woods today im gonna go there

[Dave Of The Dead]

No, can you try it again? :doh:

:lol:

In short: Rural areas for teh win! :evil:

[Xawmb]

Yea, I'm glad that I don't live in a city. Most of the houses in m y area are about a 2 minute walk away from each other. About a 40 minute walk to my right is this big subdivision where all the rich people live. I'm in a populated area but it's spread out.

I have a small convenience store and a bakery across the road from me. A pizza place to my right with it's own vegetable garden. Food wouldn't be a problem for the first little while.

10 minutes to my left is a warehouse full of heavy machinery and construction stuff. Me and a few of my close friends decided to all meet up there once we each have supplies. But it's in this open field and has a 15 foot fence surrounding the warehouse and a sizable grass area beside it. could start a farm in that grass, but I don't know for sure if it's promising.

[ZedHunter]

I have a place about 45 minutes from my house that'd be good for bugging out to. Its shelter, easy to secure, out of the way. Its a campground, but if you're quiet and dont draw attention to yourself, it's a good place to be. Its basically in the woods next to a big lake.

[Eknytz]

If there was a zombie outbreak where would you head for refuge or whatever?

[ZedHunter]

I'd follow your sig. :)

[bandits1]

I'd flee to some of the places listed in this thread: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

...or this one: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18973

[Eknytz]

I'd flee to some of the places listed in this thread: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

...or this one: http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18973

bahhh those threads are old , and stale.
this is new and fresh :lol:

[ZedHunter]

But for true...I'd say home. We got 2 floors, plenty of room and a small staircase which would be so easy to barricade compared to the doors. 2 bedrooms upstairs, no bathroom, but we got a kitty box up there. Heh. But seriously, plenty of room up there [well here where I am currently]. We have a hidden door that takes us to the attic [room is adjacent to the other rooms and not above]. So, plenty of options to do with this house. Especially since we have a huge barn, a garage, a basement, plus this house. Meh. I wont tell the primary spot since I wont let you come find me.

[kiltedninja]

My plan at the initial outbreak would be to hunker down in my neighbor's house, he's a close friend of mine, and his entire yard is fenced in, we'd put out a second fence about a yard away from that fence, and then keep people posted on his roof with weapons. That ought to work until we run out of supplies, then it's a matter of where to go from there.

[Dave Of The Dead]

My parent's house would be my second choice to hunker down in. Two stories with three bedrooms and 2 bathrooms upstairs. One bredroom is directly over the garage, so I was thinking to make a trap door down into the garage for a quick getaway. Thats where all my guns are during the school year along with most of my blades. Its so sad to leave them all behind, but you know, no weapons on campus.

[Eknytz]

My parent's house would be my second choice to hunker down in. Two stories with three bedrooms and 2 bathrooms upstairs. One bredroom is directly over the garage, so I was thinking to make a trap door down into the garage for a quick getaway. Thats where all my guns are during the school year along with most of my blades. Its so sad to leave them all behind, but you know, no weapons on campus.

I wouldn't stay home.
I mean even if your home was fortified and secure you would probably have a limited food supply.'

I'd hit the gunstore up load as much Weaponry and ammo as I can into my car, drive down to costco and weld those humongous garage doors shut.

More likely scenario for me would be to load my car up with supplies from my home and a gun, drive to the appalachians and pretty much camp there for the rest of my life.

[DocTongue]

Well, living in a small town in the countryside of Western Mass (almost 1,000 people in my town) pretty far from major cities, I would just stay in my house and fortify it. Or rather just destroy the stairs and have a ladder to the second floor.

I certainly have enough guns and ammunition to hold out for a while, and could raid the local general store when my rations start to run low. Obviously it wouldn't be a permanent hideout, but it would keep me secure while I figured out what my next plan of action was.

[Bob]

DocTongue

Your biggest problem is no guns in your state except in the hands of the gang bangers.

[ZedHunter]

I wouldn't stay home.
I mean even if your home was fortified and secure you would probably have a limited food supply.'

I'd hit the gunstore up load as much Weaponry and ammo as I can into my car, drive down to costco and weld those humongous garage doors shut.

More likely scenario for me would be to load my car up with supplies from my home and a gun, drive to the appalachians and pretty much camp there for the rest of my life.You sound completely ridiculous thinking you can just go to the gun store and head to costco. Alot of people will beat you to it.
But hey, if you want to follow the crowd, you'll die quicker. Not my problem.

[homelitexl]

yeah more gas beer and women for me when you die. or you could be smart and follow me tto freedom

[rogeneck]

Mackinac island.
I will be sitting in the grand hotel, on a nice plush bed if i can. if not ill be sniping zombies on land with a rifle from a boat 200ft out in the water.

[homelitexl]

yeah while you do that ill be sitting in my lazy boy watchin smokey and the bandit holdin a bottle of jim beam laughin cause they cant get in and your gettin jumped

[bandits1]

We've got a lot of old WWII bases/forts/tunnels/bunkers here on the island of Oahu. We were nicknamed "Fortress Oahu" during the war and was the most heavily defended island in the world. Some are used for storage, some are rented/leased/sold to business owners for office or storage space, and some are abandoned.

This one is located on a ranch where I once played paintball at - northeast side of the island:
http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7959/084i.jpg

I think this one is located somewhere on the west side:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/3686/2923661780088724597sghy.jpg

Turtle Bay near the northern most point of the island:
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5417/20051117bunker.jpg

[rogeneck]

dude your on in island in hawaii you dont need to worry about any thing as far as zombies go. Unless you work at some kind of testing site for this stuff?

what you do have to worry about is north korea some how hitting you with nukes. all of the islands be exploded by volcanos. a freak hurricane that throws so much wind pressure that all the sand leaves the islands and goes to alaska. o and a blue alien named stich eating all of your food.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, I would consider Hawaii pretty safe compared to the mainland. I've been to Maui and I would say its small enough and well supplied enough to be able to hold out... for a very long long time.

[bandits1]

How "safe" Hawaii would be depends on the incubation period of the z-virus. If it can go undetected long enough for a 5-10 hour plane ride, we're just as screwed as the rest of you. Maybe even more so since we really have nowhere to run. Obviously, we get a lot of air traffic here. We already have 500+ cases of swine-flu.

Any advantages in being an island chain in the middle of the Pacific, can also be huge disadvantages. We're almost 2400 miles from California, 3800 miles from Japan, and 2400 miles from the Marquesas Islands -- if civilization falls, we're on our own.

[Dave Of The Dead]

How "safe" Hawaii would be depends on the incubation period of the z-virus. If it can go undetected long enough for a 5-10 hour plane ride, we're just as screwed as the rest of you. Maybe even more so since we really have nowhere to run. Obviously, we get a lot of air traffic here. We already have 500+ cases of swine-flu.

Any advantages in being an island chain in the middle of the Pacific, can also be huge disadvantages. We're almost 2400 miles from California, 3800 miles from Japan, and 2400 miles from the Marquesas Islands -- if civilization falls, we're on our own.

True, but since you do have so many flights coming and out of your state, you also have more supplies, fuel, experienced pilots, and aircraft capable of making those long journeys. Just hope Z-Day is not during tourist season... which is probably a good portion of the year for you guys right?

[kiltedninja]

It would also suck for Maui if the Z-virus originated there.

[bandits1]

True, but since you do have so many flights coming and out of your state, you also have more supplies, fuel, experienced pilots, and aircraft capable of making those long journeys. Just hope Z-Day is not during tourist season... which is probably a good portion of the year for you guys right?
If the outbreak is global and as devastating as we're assuming it will be in all our other threads, I'd think flying would get more and more dangerous. Runways need upkeep, airports would be missing lots of flight tower and maintenance personnel due to being dead, and electrical service would be spotty at best. And I'm sure cargo ships wouldn't be running a regular schedule anymore, either.

Plus, where would we be getting supplies from anyway? According to our other threads, the rest of the world isn't really doing any better. The same as everyone and everywhere else, we eventually would have to become self-sufficient and grow and manufacture all of our own food and supplies. One lucky thing is we have the right climate to grow crops year-round. I didn't know that we're the only state of the United States that grows coffee(according to Wikipedia) -- we can use that as currency when trading with other states should trans-Pacific travel become possible again. =) A year or two in and people would be jonesing for a cup of java.

And, yeah, we have our busier periods, but tourist season is basically year-round for us.

[kiltedninja]

Hawaiian grown coffee is amazing, I had some once, and I loved it immediately.

[bandits1]

Hawaiian grown coffee is amazing, I had some once, and I loved it immediately.
Yup, it's good. Strong flavor. But 100% pure Kona coffee is expensive. If you're not paying a lot for it, it's probably a blend.

[Bob]

You also have other amazing cash crops, and I am not talking about pineapple.

[homelitexl]

unless they find out how to reproduce copenhagan for me the zeds are screwed cause when i hit my dts im gonna be pissed and there all im gonna have to take it out on.

[kiltedninja]

You also have other amazing cash crops, and I am not talking about pineapple.

That stuff is good too. Not the pineapples, I don't like those, but the other amazing cash crops.

The Coffee was expensive Bandits, but I didn't pay for it.

[dmilla]

first i would meet up with my neeborhood friends and collect weapons,
then choose the best house to fortify,
then after getting a foot hold on the place have half of us go to a super market every now and then and take as much food as possible,
after that we would send the smallest, quickest, and sneakest guy to the police station to look for help,
after 5 days we would give up on him cuz the police station is only 20 mins from my neeborhood,
then we would send another scout to a wepons store and look for help,
if either of the places could help us we would move out over there,
then hopefully make contact with the army and go to the nearest army base. after that fight and wait till the zombies are gone... or we are...

[homelitexl]

do they make there own alchohal in hawiee

[CityOfChicago]

do they make there own alchohal in hawiee

Seriously. No one is this poor at spelling. No one. What is this, an act?

[kiltedninja]

first i would meet up with my neeborhood friends and collect weapons,
then choose the best house to fortify,
then after getting a foot hold on the place have half of us go to a super market every now and then and take as much food as possible,
after that we would send the smallest, quickest, and sneakest guy to the police station to look for help,
after 5 days we would give up on him cuz the police station is only 20 mins from my neeborhood,
then we would send another scout to a wepons store and look for help,
if either of the places could help us we would move out over there,
then hopefully make contact with the army and go to the nearest army base. after that fight and wait till the zombies are gone... or we are...

Yo. This is the wrong place to post your plan dumbass.

[mattifikation]

^ Haha!

Homelite should ditch Internet Explorer and get Firefox. It has a built-in spell checker. It would do him wonders.

[homelitexl]

no thanks i just cant spell certain things

[CityOfChicago]

I think you mean 'damn near everything'

If your spelling were any worse it would look like this:

jdbjsguvgudvbjhbSJ Kjsd bsdvyusV sduuSDBJHGY KSUFUHKJFBVK. kdfhf.



j/k



no I'm not.

[homelitexl]

what dues that say checago:lol:

[kiltedninja]

I think you mean 'damn near everything'

If your spelling were any worse it would look like this:

jdbjsguvgudvbjhbSJ Kjsd bsdvyusV sduuSDBJHGY KSUFUHKJFBVK. kdfhf.

j/k

no I'm not.

That's not entirely true, sometimes he spells things right.

I do think he could use a spell checker 98% of the time though.

[homelitexl]

kiltedninja needs it wurse though

[kiltedninja]

Dude, I'm in high school and I have better spelling and grammar than you even when I'm so drunk I can't even talk without slurring my words.

My friends and I decided that we're all gonna hold up for the first week- month in one of the houses around here. It's got a wooden fence already, we're gonna reinforce it with a second layer of boards, anf then a chain link fence.

[homelitexl]

im a senior in high skool thank u and so what

[Darkness]

"Yo! Dudes! Back on Topic!" :naughty:

[kiltedninja]

One more comment and I'm done.

So you're saying Homelite, that schools in the South are really as bad as they say they are?

Anyway. back to my anti-zombie safe haven.
My friend's house is strategically located across from mine. We'd strip all the boards off my fence, and put them on his fence. After we've done this, we'd use his truck to go get food. MRE's, dehydrated meals(which aren't all that bad), canned goods, beef jerky, and most importantly, beer and water.
After we've gathered food stuffs, our next goal is to get things like tobacco, and more fencing. We're going to put up a chainlink fence outside of the double-boarded wooden one.

Then we'll stay inside the fenced in house until we are forced to leave or need more shit.

[homelitexl]

yes the skools are that ad and that sonds like my pan

[Bob]

The schools do suck.
I am a product of a deep south education.
The only thing that saved me is my superior intelligence.

For example they are now teaching that the War of Northern Aggression was fought over slavery.

[homelitexl]

it makes no sense like the rest of the education system

[kanUsurvive]

I don't know where you guys went to school in the south at. They are really not that bad. Well at least not the one I went to.

Anyways. I plan on holding up in the mountains where I live.

[homelitexl]

yeah but virginia has the beest of it all in the soth

[Bob]

Some of the schools are average to good.
However there are some that you would just not believe.

[kanUsurvive]

No doubt about it. There are bad schools everywhere. Look at inner cities. They just have so much crime and all that. There schools don't function correctly. Then take deep south schools or small town schools in the south. You have redneck hillbilly teachers that think sal****er cures everything. So there are bad schools and good schools all over.


On topic. There is no other place I would rather hold up in than my town. The mountains and caves are perfect natural defenses. Plus the people around here know how to survive in the woods.


Edit: why is one of my words marked out? It's not a bad word.

[Zombreach]

I'm going to do like KanUsurvive and hold up in the caves in the mountains. Zombies can't climb cliffs... right? I probably can't either, but what the heck, it's a chance I'm willing to take.

[homelitexl]

zombreach just tie a rope around your neck and have him pull you up:lol:

[Zombreach]

Your kindness is unprecedented Homelite...:lol:

Besides, I didn't say I was going to be where KanUsurvive was, just that I liked his idea and was going to follow suit. But I'll be sure to drop a rope to haul your butt up if you show your face by my cave. :)

[homelitexl]

thanks but i thikn ill stick to my bomb shelter thanke you

[mattifikation]

No doubt about it. There are bad schools everywhere. Look at inner cities. They just have so much crime and all that. There schools don't function correctly. Then take deep south schools or small town schools in the south. You have redneck hillbilly teachers that think sal****er cures everything. So there are bad schools and good schools all over.


On topic. There is no other place I would rather hold up in than my town. The mountains and caves are perfect natural defenses. Plus the people around here know how to survive in the woods.


Edit: why is one of my words marked out? It's not a bad word.

What's funny about that is that shit, piss, ass, bitch, and damn all get through.

[Bob]

You know oddly enough some of the small town southern schools are excellent.
They are small enough that the teacher still cares.

[Dave Of The Dead]

What I have noticed around here is that the bigger the school, the shittier is it. I transferred from a high school with 2,000 students to a school with 500 students for my senior year last year and noticed a huge difference in the quality of teachers and equipment.

Bigger schools tend to be more like prisons now... which is why I would hold up in one if I had the chance!

[homelitexl]

yeah plus you forget some still have the old boiler rooms so at least you woudnt freeze in winter

[kiltedninja]

My school is big, not many windows on the first floors, all the doors open outward, stairwells have doors at both the top and bottom of them, if I could seal off the first floor, and cover the windows to the weight room, we'd be set for a long time.

[homelitexl]

yeah you sond like youd have it made

[Dave Of The Dead]

How about a log cabin? A REAL log cabin with high windows? I don't think a zombie could claw through a log...

[kiltedninja]

Have you ever seen what happens when a dog claws at the edge of your door for hours on end, like they do? It tears the shit out of the door.

[tunerfreak87]

I work at a Lowes, which is very well located right next to a safeway. I could post up at work and trade with the "Safeway-ians" via delivery trucks between docking bays.

[kiltedninja]

Get some heavy duty anchors in the roof(like the ones used for rock climbing) and you could create a rope bridge, unless the distance is farther than I'm thinking.

[tunerfreak87]

Hmmm I'm gonna guess its about 40-50 yards. That would probably work but getting supplies back and forth wouldnt be possible.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Hmmm I'm gonna guess its about 40-50 yards. That would probably work but getting supplies back and forth wouldnt be possible.

A zip-line?

[tunerfreak87]

Theres about a 10 foot decline zipping to the Safeway roof. How would you zip back in that case?

[Dave Of The Dead]

A guide line for you to pull yourself across?

[kiltedninja]

tuner, I think you'll find that a majority of us are not only dashingly handsome, but also intelligent. A majority of us anyway.

[tunerfreak87]

Hah I wasnt going to doubt intelligence, where'd that come from? There's even railroad tracks behind the stores too.

[kiltedninja]

Because you kept having questions about the bridge/zipline system, and we kept answering them quickly.

Train tracks could potentially be a good escape route. Potentially.

[tunerfreak87]

Ok gotcha. Very true, I think if the area was royally fvcked over I'd take the chance of taking supplies on a box car and riding out on it. Then again tho our building is very secure minus blocking up 3 sliding doors. All we gotta do is put pallets of random shit in front of em and boom...secure.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Ok gotcha. Very true, I think if the area was royally fvcked over I'd take the chance of taking supplies on a box car and riding out on it. Then again tho our building is very secure minus blocking up 3 sliding doors. All we gotta do is put pallets of random shit in front of em and boom...secure.

Use paint. It's heavy as hell and is of no use in the ZPAW... unless you want to paint over your windows, I guess.

[tunerfreak87]

Yeah we have hella 5 gallons we could stack and shrink 3 or 4 deep on pallets like 3 or 4 high. We even have a cage from our back receiving door that lets you on the roof. Frickin zed proof.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Sounds like a plan. Are these forklift accessible? It'd be even better if so.
Now that I think about it, Lowes would be the ultimate hideout. Every appliance known to man, plenty of building materials, usually located within arms' distance of a Wal-Mart, K Mart, or Target, they usually have jerky stands and other snack foods, and not to mention, a giant cage of a greenhouse!

[tunerfreak87]

Sounds like a plan. Are these forklift accessible? It'd be even better if so.
Now that I think about it, Lowes would be the ultimate hideout. Every appliance known to man, plenty of building materials, usually located within arms' distance of a Wal-Mart, K Mart, or Target, they usually have jerky stands and other snack foods, and not to mention, a giant cage of a greenhouse!

Yep, we have two forklifts inside at all times and they DO fit through the normal sized doors. Our garden area is outside but has like a 25 foot high fence thats extra durable, and half of the outside area is covered by a green house roof ;) Seriously though it's like a prison, you'd be 110% safe from zeds. On the other side of the Safeway is a Fred Meyers. I know for a fact that the people at Safeway would wanna trade some food for weapons and heavy duty welding outfit stuff to stop the zeds bites.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Well, I'm driving to Washington with my girls now.

[tunerfreak87]

Well, I'm driving to Washington with my girls now.

For sho man, no zed is getting into where I'm holdin up!

[mattifikation]

Ah!!!!!

Lowes is another one of those places where you'll be in competition with everyone and their mother for the stuff inside. I think all the major retail outlets are going to be literal war zones, with entire families turning against each other in armed conflict over the buildings and the supplies within.

Worse still, the people fighting over the stuff in Lowes will be the ones capable of foresight and rational planning. All the retarded hicks and welfare slobs will be at the '-Marts.

Oh, and paint will be extremely useful after Z-Day. Paint protects whatever it's painted onto. It helps protect wood from rotting, it protects metal from rusting, and so-on. In time, the paint will start to peel off wood and metal structures, depending on when the last coat of paint was put. Any new structures that you build will need painted, just for that protective factor.

In addition, earth tones will be especially valuable. Anything that can be used to make a bright colored building that you're using blend in more with the surroundings would not only be advisable to keep, but to go out and apply when you get the chance. You don't want raiders to see your house until they're in range, after all.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I guess that makes sense. I didn't think of that.

[Darkness]

Ah!!!!!

Lowes is another one of those places where you'll be in competition with everyone and their mother for the stuff inside. I think all the major retail outlets are going to be literal war zones, with entire families turning against each other in armed conflict over the buildings and the supplies within.

Worse still, the people fighting over the stuff in Lowes will be the ones capable of foresight and rational planning. All the retarded hicks and welfare slobs will be at the '-Marts.

Oh, and paint will be extremely useful after Z-Day. Paint protects whatever it's painted onto. It helps protect wood from rotting, it protects metal from rusting, and so-on. In time, the paint will start to peel off wood and metal structures, depending on when the last coat of paint was put. Any new structures that you build will need painted, just for that protective factor.

In addition, earth tones will be especially valuable. Anything that can be used to make a bright colored building that you're using blend in more with the surroundings would not only be advisable to keep, but to go out and apply when you get the chance. You don't want raiders to see your house until they're in range, after all.

"Interesting, and worthy, thought."

"You could teach them a few things in here......."
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17339
"......come on over, and share your wisdom." :)

[tunerfreak87]

I agree on that one. Everybody and their moms would be fighting for a stronghold like that. I guess whoever was in the store at the time could lock it shut before it was a city-wide hysteria. Otherwise, you're right, it'd be a warzone.

[mattifikation]

You could lock it shut, which will hold until the moment somebody realizes that they can just back a truck right through the front door. And if that's barricaded enough to stop the truck ramming it, then it'll just be a little bit longer before somebody figures out a high powered rifle will shoot right through a concrete wall.

[Bob]

Good point on the walls.
The thing to remember is that more than a few "hunting" calibers will outperform the military calibers.
Most of them tend to have frangible bullets but not all.

I have said all along when the "gang" of zombies tries to hide behind a house I will just shoot through it.

[tunerfreak87]

Well yeah, hypothetically any place can be broken into under desperation. You'd think that the intelligent people who would attempt to seize a place like that wouldn't compromise its structure with hundreds of undead right outside. And if the doors had 3 pallets deep of concrete bags 2 high itd hold until you could jump up to the roof and shoot them bastards.

[mattifikation]

:x

Any place obviously can be broken into. The point of the matter is the number of people who will desperately be trying. Many of those people probably won't be after the building and won't care about its structure. Many of them will just be after some of the supplies inside. Once they've started fighting over it, instinct might even take over and at that point they'll just be out to kill whoever their enemy was.

You simply WON'T be able to hold it. Nobody will. Give up on the idea. Big Box retailers have been discussed to death on these forums!

[tunerfreak87]

:x

Any place obviously can be broken into. The point of the matter is the number of people who will desperately be trying. Many of those people probably won't be after the building and won't care about its structure. Many of them will just be after some of the supplies inside. Once they've started fighting over it, instinct might even take over and at that point they'll just be out to kill whoever their enemy was.

You simply WON'T be able to hold it. Nobody will. Give up on the idea. Big Box retailers have been discussed to death on these forums!

You're right, after a period of time no one could hold anything. Eventually everyone would just have to be on the move. But as long as a few people were strapped on the roof no one would get in until you ran out of ammo at least. Not to mention the wall of zombies standing around it to begin with.

Is there even any realistic safe place where you could hold for a loooong period of time?

[mattifikation]

Yeah.

Places that nobody goes after will hold for quite a long time. It won't fall if nothing attacks it. Small, well hidden, fortified places in the middle of nowhere that nobody knows about will hold quite well. The less conspicuous your hideout is, the less actual defense you have to put up to hold it.

A stone cabin in the middle of a forest would probably be a hundred times better than Lowes; For every one person or zombie who finds your cabin, a hundred will probably make their way towards Lowes. When a zombie does stumble along your way, it'll be a lone straggler that can be taken down with a well-placed, silenced shot.

If you can't bug-out right away, you're better off barricading yourself into a strongly built house or an above-ground floor apartment then trying to be just one of the hundreds (or even thousands) of people fighting over a major retailer. That's still not ideal, but your odds are still better than trying to be the one group out of a hundred that wins the war over Lowes.

Out of sight, out of mind.

[tunerfreak87]

There are a lot of factors that would decide a hideouts fate. Time of day and its occupancy at the time of the hysteria when everything broke loose. The only thing you'd have to figure out, when your in your stone cabin in the middle of nowhere that is, is an escape route if shit hit the fan and you couldn't hold it.

[oatcake]

At the begining of the outbreak i would head straight to my place of work if i'm not already there. Which is 3 miles from my house and a couple of road access points and sit back in safety for a good 6 months maybe longer all depends on food and water. The zombies would have to be able to drive a heavy duty vehicle or plant explosives to get in. Plus on shift there are at least 35 plus armed officers on at once plus hell of alot of ammunition and firearms. other than that wouldn't no where to go.

[mattifikation]

Where do you work?

[hotlead]

Yeah, where do you work? and are they hiring?

[tunerfreak87]

Yeah really, where do you work?

[slayer1222]

Don't sell you self short Barbara. Just because your screen name is Barbara doesnt mean you would go all to pieces like the original Barbara. I'm sure you'll surprise yourself. Save those pills for me though because if anything happened to my kid- wait actually I'll shoot myself in the head. I wouldn't want to O.D. on pills and come back as a Zombie. Romero might be right. You just might die from anything and become a zombie. So I'd go with a bullet in the head if anything happened to my kid and I didn't want to live which I probably wouldn't. I need to stop depressing myself. Everything should go fine as long as we all stick to our plans.


i have 4 younger sisters and one older brother if anything happened to them it would just piss me off enough to go into a mindless rampage destroying anyone and everything in my path and i would expect you would do the same if it was your kid

[oatcake]

if those where do you work apply to me then i work on a MOD protected site in the uk as a Firearms officer thats all i'm gonna say.

[hotlead]

Are you guys hiring? I can bring my own rifle and sunflower seeds.

[homelitexl]

and ican shoo and drive drunk so what we all need to have a big atz convention

[oatcake]

Are you guys hiring? I can bring my own rifle and sunflower seeds.

lol

Actually yeah lol but helps if your a uk citizen and willing to become a semi police officer/security guard and on completion of your training you get given a Heckler & Koch MP7 but i'm training to use the SA80 A2 which i get to customise :evil:. More effective range and bigger rounds. but wouldn't say it was a better weapon.

[hotlead]

Any old SLRs hanging around, or an EM-2 maybe? I might send an application if I can carry those(probably not too many EM-2s still around:doh:). Anyway, my M1A is chambered for 7.62NATO, I imagine you have some of that laying around :roll:

[secretcog]

By the time a realistic zombie bio-weapon could be engineerer, one way tickets to mars will be affordable for the general population. I think I'll play it safe with the martians.

[Dave Of The Dead]

By the time a realistic zombie bio-weapon could be engineerer, one way tickets to mars will be affordable for the general population. I think I'll play it safe with the martians.
You'd be surprised with the bio technology we're quickly coming up with. I'm sure someone with enough education, money, and sick intent could whip something up within the next 10 years. So find somewhere to hold up now and don't sit around for a Dead Space scenario to come up.

[kiltedninja]

I'm going to do what I do best...improvise. Or die, but I'm not good at that.

[Evil Joe]

Id fort up in my house for the first week and latter fortify other houses around the area with supplies and weapons. i would change house every week or so and restock the house be4 i left. have cameras setup around the place to monerter Zack and remote sound makers over the place so if im in 1 house and i wana get across the road i hit a switch and the zeds go down the street to the house with the noise maker in it. also when forting up think about how the zeds will act to a pile of ferniture in their way. will they just try to climb over it, hit it, ignore it, try to pull it down or just wait out side???

[Slayer]

The Appalachian Mountains, a isolated and low population area would be a great place to retreat to. I doubt you will find any other area of the country so heavily armed and well supplied. It is rife with plenty of rivers carrying fish and a lot of game to hunt, crops can still be grown as well. In particular, West Virginia may be the best area to retreat to in Appalachia, it's got probably the lowest population, well under 2 million, and it's almost entirely mountains, they don't call it the mountain state for nothing. Zombies will have a hard time moving around in there, and it would be relatively easy to find a well suitable location for your needs there.

[Bob]

West Virginia jokes are just too easy...

[mattifikation]

The Appalachian Mountains, a isolated and low population area would be a great place to retreat to. I doubt you will find any other area of the country so heavily armed and well supplied. It is rife with plenty of rivers carrying fish and a lot of game to hunt, crops can still be grown as well. In particular, West Virginia may be the best area to retreat to in Appalachia, it's got probably the lowest population, well under 2 million, and it's almost entirely mountains, they don't call it the mountain state for nothing. Zombies will have a hard time moving around in there, and it would be relatively easy to find a well suitable location for your needs there.

I thought it was called the mountain state because everybody there is mountin' their cousin.

[kiltedninja]

The family tree is called the family flag pole there. :lol:

[Slayer]

I thought it was called the mountain state because everybody there is mountin' their cousin.

Not really, that's just a stereotype. My parents come from there you know.

[synicalx]

I'm gonna have to go with offshore, maybe finding some sort of oil rig near the coast and slowly shipping supplies there. With any luck it'll be free of any mobile deceased (is that their politically correct name nowadays?) or still be full of un-infected people.

Also be a source of fuel for many many years so therefore more boats, cars and heat in the winter!

[homelitexl]

well im gonna go hide out in a bombsheter or cave nearby with my gfand my best friends an there women

[kiltedninja]

Just remember Homelite, women can be very territorial.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm gonna have to go with offshore, maybe finding some sort of oil rig near the coast and slowly shipping supplies there. With any luck it'll be free of any mobile deceased (is that their politically correct name nowadays?) or still be full of un-infected people.

Also be a source of fuel for many many years so therefore more boats, cars and heat in the winter!

remember its only an oil rig, no a fuel plant. Unless you know how to refine the natural oil and have the massive equipment to do so, you'll be spending your last days there starving, freezing, and dehydrated.

[kiltedninja]

Even the ZSG says not to go there unless you're trained otherwise. Hell, it does have some good advice sometimes.

I'm gonna try and get out of town, but not too far out, because let's face it, no matter how many of us say we've got these badass mountain lairs, if the impossible were to happen, we'd board up our houses, and stay there as long as possible.

[homelitexl]

so what uf women are teritorial my buddies can watch there own women im moreconcerned bout what is mine and how to protect it

[Evil Joe]

What do u think of my plan??

[Dave Of The Dead]

What do u think of my plan??

Its safer to hold up in one spot and raid other places than to try and set up many temporary bases. Due to the rushing around, these bases may tend to be more hastily fortified and will probably be weaker. If you hold up in one spot, you have the advantage of building heavier fortifications over time.

[Evil Joe]

I dont mean like 10 on 1 street. i mean like mabye 3 all spead out in my area in strategic places(like across from the suppermarkets) and when setting them up make them as best as i can. Remember i expect this to take several weeks, i have already chosen the places and as i move around i will fortify if need be.

[synicalx]

remember its only an oil rig, no a fuel plant. Unless you know how to refine the natural oil and have the massive equipment to do so, you'll be spending your last days there starving, freezing, and dehydrated.

Thats a good point, going to a 'rig would only be a temporary solution (a few months at best maybe?) without some sort of way of using the fuel. However oil rigs (old man used to work on one back in the 90's) do hold quite a lot of supplies for quite a lot of people working in isolation for weeks or months at a time. But yeah otherwise I agree, it isn't a permanent solution.

I guess, depending on the severity of the outbreak (I'll use a ZSG analogy), if it was below a Class 3, I'd be happy staying where I am - providing I have enough supplies and a few buddies/family, otherwise I'd hightail it to an oilrig. For a Class 4, I'd take 20-30 of my closest friends/family out of town about 500km's and set up shop near a Lake. Lake Victoria seems to suit this profile - its topmost point is 30km's from the nearest house (note the singular 'house') and it supplies my town's drinking water with very little purification so it's ok to drink. Even better, theres a small forest within walking distance which could provide ample wood for building etc

[mattifikation]

Joe, I think there'd be people taking bets on how you die first:

1. Killed during excessive, unnecessary travel between your bases.
2. Killed as you approach one of your own bases, by the people who took it from you while you weren't there.

[tunerfreak87]

Yeah. I think everytime you traveled between your "bases" you'd just be increasing the chances of your death. Either by the undead or someone else more desperate than you are. Even more then likely someone would take it over while you were gone.

[mattifikation]

And imagine getting to one of your bases, and finding it taken by another group... or overrun by zombies. Then you head back to your previous base and it's been taken over also.

Now you're homeless in ZPAW.

[tunerfreak87]

And imagine getting to one of your bases, and finding it taken by another group... or overrun by zombies. Then you head back to your previous base and it's been taken over also.

Now you're homeless in ZPAW.

Yeah I just mentioned that. I think multiple bases would be a really bad idea.

[homelitexl]

my gfs house its cement and brick with windows high of the ground

[Evil Joe]

True i never realy thought about that, thanks for your thoughts.

[tunerfreak87]

my gfs house its cement and brick with windows high of the ground

That would be perfect dude. Or the second floor apartment I'm in is awesome.

[homelitexl]

thanks its a two story

[ryan112ryan]

For when the day comes, when Zeds or when TSHTF, I want to start now living and practicing for a sustainable life. Protecting all of this will be another discussion. I was wondering if I wanted to live 100% independently off the land for the rest of my life, how much land will it take? this means I wouldn't have to ever buy anything at the store once I was set up. I would need enough land to farm that I could rotate areas every 2 years for growing. Enough trees to provide fire wood and lumber.


Buildings:

Small house (800 Sq/ft)
Small barn
Area for leech field
Chicken coop
Small wood working / metal shop (400 square feet)
Small fishery farm (400 gallons)

Land needs:

Small green house
Graze lands for animals
Large garden (enough to feed me all year)
Field to produce hay for feed etc for animals
Area with solar panels to produce 120% of my electricity needs
A large water source
Forest that I could cut wood for fuel, but it would need to be large enough to grow faster than I use
Small orchard 20 trees
Small pond for backup water

Animals:

5 cows
20 chickens
1 horse
3 goats
5 sheep

[kiltedninja]

You've got quite the set up. But how can you insure that you can get all that in ZPAW?

[Dave Of The Dead]

I went to the local geek store that sells everything from D&D gear to Magic the Gathering cards a couple days ago and had a ridiculously long conversation with the owner about advancements in technology within the last year. I found out, and you can confirm this online, that a new technology has been developed where solar cells have been made into a paint and can be painted onto your house! The technology has now improved to produce about 2/3 MORE electricity than an average household consumes!
This sort of thing would be priceless in the ZPAW. When raiders come to town and see the house with giant solar panels on the roof, they think "Free energy!" But now, it is just a dark paint and is completely incognito. Electricity worries in the ZPAW? Nah!

[kiltedninja]

That's pretty fvckin cool, How would the energy transfer from the paint to the electrical system?

[Dave Of The Dead]

That's pretty fvckin cool, How would the energy transfer from the paint to the electrical system?

Haven't done enough research yet, but its probably hardwired into the electrical box.

[kiltedninja]

I found a warehouse that might be useable, but there's a drawback...it's right on one of the busiest roads in the town.

[Bob]

Depending on what kind of warehouse it is it might not matter.
What do they store there?

[Frallon]

Welcome to Costco; I love You

[kiltedninja]

Depending on what kind of warehouse it is it might not matter.
What do they store there?

It used to be a tool store, but they went under, and now there's a big 'warehouse for rent' sign on the front of it.

I don't live more than about two blocks from it, so distance isn't a big factor.

[FFG]

I had been thinking about bailing to my brother's house if mine becomes untenable. His is further away from town.

Then I remembered that Remington has an ammo plant about 25 miles from here...

[Stankynuts]

I Would just improvise, depending on where i was. If I was in the city when it happened i would chill somewhere there, and if i was in the country id take a farmhouse.

Hes smart^ no kidding id do the same thing

[Stankynuts]

I would hold up in my fathers Hot rod body shop. Its in a industrial area has only to doors, a garage door and a Heavy metal door. The window are barred up and The walls aree made of brick and cynderblock. He has plenty of food and water there, and he also has a generator incase of emergency. I wouldnt hold up there long though maybe just to get my shit together.

[killnburn]

anyone here mentioned Control tower?

having spent the last 7weeks getting my PPL, i basically lived in a regional airport, and the tower seemed perfect, its has water ,electricity, a HUGE backup system, beds, living commodity, some food, no windows on the first 3 floors, VERY sturdy doors, fences all around the airport, is surrounded by escape vehicles, helicopters, cessnas and such, the roof is big enough for basic survival gardening, lots of place to store supplies, and a great overwatch position, so you always know when zombies are coming, plus, you have every possible way of calling for help

[detpat]

just a homebody i guess!

[mattifikation]

The whole airport might be good, for that matter. Most airports have huge fields and are fenced in. You might want to wait until the dust settles before you move in, though. There's going to be a *lot* of people trying to travel, and the military might want to use it as a base of operations.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, any airport should be avoided in the early days and weeks. Wait until it calms down and make sure you scout the area before you make your home there.

[CAVU45]

anyone here mentioned Control tower?

having spent the last 7weeks getting my PPL, i basically lived in a regional airport, and the tower seemed perfect, its has water ,electricity, a HUGE backup system, beds, living commodity, some food, no windows on the first 3 floors, VERY sturdy doors, fences all around the airport, is surrounded by escape vehicles, helicopters, cessnas and such, the roof is big enough for basic survival gardening, lots of place to store supplies, and a great overwatch position, so you always know when zombies are coming, plus, you have every possible way of calling for help

Having spent thirty years in towers in the U.S. Europe and the ME I can honestly say they aren't places to live comfortably. Everything has to be hauled up several flights of stairs. Storms can cause the tower to be abandoned. As soon as the power goes the water goes also. Backup generators will last only so long. Also, not all airports are completely fenced in. Matter of fact very few have fences running the entire perimeter.

[kiltedninja]

I went to the hospital today to see my sister and her baby, and it reminded me a lot of the hospital in Left 4 Dead. Eerily so...

It would be a good, defencible location if it was clear before the outbreak, and was still fully stocked, but I'm asking for the impossible.

[Dbuhos]

Mountains mostly.
Or i'd stay home...

[Frallon]

Inside the roof of my house...I'd just keep everything up there with me, and cut a hole in the side of the roof so then i have an exit route, a spot to see how everythings going, and just to get on top of my house lol

[Rubble...]

Inside the roof of my house...I'd just keep everything up there with me, and cut a hole in the side of the roof so then i have an exit route, a spot to see how everythings going, and just to get on top of my house lol

Dude...you read my mind. Now make a roof top patio and a bridge to the nearby houses.

[Rubble...]

I went to the hospital today to see my sister and her baby, and it reminded me a lot of the hospital in Left 4 Dead. Eerily so...

It would be a good, defencible location if it was clear before the outbreak, and was still fully stocked, but I'm asking for the impossible.

I was truly wondering if hospitals might be the most avoided 'hold up' location and therefore the best. Yes, of course there is the ER, the morgue and all of the other various dieing places, but more importantly is the fact that hospitals are built to prevent easy movement form one section to another through the use of elevators, stair wells and secure doors in the event of baby kidnappings. If a fire alarm goes off, all doors also automatically seal.

So if the ambulances are overworked or taken out by the undead the number of pre-infected might be low. Professional zombie survivors will already be avoiding the hospital. Everyone else is heading for Walmart and Home depot.

Then it's just a matter of sealing off the interior access doors on the first floor (cause you've got to write off the first floor exterior of a hospital cause it's the pretty glassed up entrances that everyone wants).

Then you've got a huge complex that everyone is afraid to go near. Now if there were only some guns.:clap:

[kiltedninja]

The Hospital that my sister was at is getting into the suburban areas, so I wouldn't want to stay there if I could avoid it.

[Bob]

Frallon

Take it from a guy who knows.
You would not want to spend any great amount of time in the attic of a house.
Not during the summer anyway.
It gets way to hot up there.

[Frallon]

Frallon

Take it from a guy who knows.
You would not want to spend any great amount of time in the attic of a house.
Not during the summer anyway.
It gets way to hot up there.

Ik, i've been up there helping insulate it, n it does scorch. But hey, that's y i have the hole in the roof, plus my roof comes down into a bathroom that can easily be barricaded in.

[Bob]

So what you are saying is the bathroom is the room you would most want barricaded?:lol:

[poke2000]

Since Im smack dabb in the middle of the pacific I would just stay home. Knowing the most sensible thing to do is to clear the zacks section by section to be sure. Then Ill just kick back with a 6pk and a bowl of sweet cold mango meat.

[badbrojack]

Sounds good....you need to have 2 plans, long term and short term...short term is what you do in the immediate situation. I'd go to my grandads and arm up, hell...you could supply an army with the firearms my grandad stock. I'd help myself to his his precious sig saur and a nice 22. rifle. The temporary baricade the place till the immediate is over and it's just survivors and zeds....then i'd go to the cinema. Think about it...loads of food, many escape exites....2 floors....you just barricade all the weak spots and windows....and the big glass windows are double glazed safety glass like in malls...plus there's the inner layer and the inside bit....AWESOME...
But eventually the governement is likely to bomb all the major cities...so i'd make for the country....
Thats the best course of action in my view....but you'd need the manpower of surivors

[CAVU45]

So what happens to your Grandad after you help yourself to his weapons and food?

[mattifikation]

There's loads of food at cinemas?

I didn't know you could sustain yourself on popcorn and candy bars these days.

[kiltedninja]

A lot of them also carry hot dogs, pizza, nachos, and pretzels.

[Bob]

Pretzels?
Well then you should be good for years.

[kiltedninja]

The big pretzels with cheese.

[Darkness]

"Now days, a lot of the Multiplex Cinemas have small cafes, and food marts, to cater to the people waiting for a movie to start, or hanging around in between films."

[Frallon]

everyones beating around the bush, lol, the food would go stale and you wouldnt b able to eat it after about about two months

[rogeneck]

you can eat stale food. and there more than enough preservatives in the food to stop rotting. the soda would go flat but stay good if it wasent out in the open. unpoped pop corn would last for 10-15 years if keep some place dark. pop corn is very good for you if its not covered in butter and oils.

[Frallon]

you can eat stale food. and there more than enough preservatives in the food to stop rotting. the soda would go flat but stay good if it wasent out in the open. unpoped pop corn would last for 10-15 years if keep some place dark. pop corn is very good for you if its not covered in butter and oils.

so he's going to become dehydrated then off flatt soda, and he's going to sit in the dark eating popcorn :drool: sounds like an excellent place to hold up

[bandits1]

A lot of them also carry hot dogs, pizza, nachos, and pretzels.
Now that's my kind of hideout.

[CAVU45]

A lot of them also carry hot dogs, pizza, nachos, and pretzels.

Which will all go bad when the power goes out.