Where Will You Hold Up?

[ghdeh1]

Since my home depot plan failed because of nuclear radiation:doh:I guess I could hold up in lake Michigan on a island at the very least all I'll have to do is put large wood barricades all along the shore. If you guys decide to join me be careful and come by boat or I might accidently shoot you (I'll be leaving the foot bridges open for the other survivors just wear bright colors and I won't shoot until I get a better look. :evil::evil::evil::evil:

[bandits1]

Ya... Thats where you hold up. In this u make a base... and other stuff.
Aren't they the same thing?


Mods - please merge.

[Slayer]

Here is something that's no one has probably thought of, though it's probably not very realistic. Here's what you do, get a trailer, and put it out in the middle of a bridge, get some explosives and blow up both sides of the bridge, leaving the middle, safe from zombies, you could land a helicopter if the bridge is big enough, and live in the trailer. Alternatively, you could get a rope ladder, and send it to the bottom of the bridge, climb up, and pull it up when not in use to keep zombies off.

[bandits1]

Here is something that's no one has probably thought of, though it's probably not very realistic. Here's what you do, get a trailer, and put it out in the middle of a bridge, get some explosives and blow up both sides of the bridge, leaving the middle, safe from zombies, you could land a helicopter if the bridge is big enough, and live in the trailer. Alternatively, you could get a rope ladder, and send it to the bottom of the bridge, climb up, and pull it up when not in use to keep zombies off.
Wow...you have a working and fully-fueled helicoper and enough explosives to destroy both ends of a bridge large enough to land it on?

I want to join your group.

[straightjacket]

Has anyone mentioned a Wal-Mart yet. Especially one of those super Wal-marts. They have food, weapons galore, clothing for as you re-popuate the earth your children can grow into. All the exits you wanted, books and lots of entertainment, and most have a foyer were you could have your last two blockades.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Has anyone mentioned a Wal-Mart yet. Especially one of those super Wal-marts. They have food, weapons galore, clothing for as you re-popuate the earth your children can grow into. All the exits you wanted, books and lots of entertainment, and most have a foyer were you could have your last two blockades.

A lot of people have mentioned a WalMart, and we have concluded that it would be a death trap.

[ashley]

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread yet, but has anyone mentioned a prison? I don't mean a little county jail, but an actual prison. I work in one and it seems to be a logical choice.

The perimeter is surrounded by a fence, then another fence about three feet from that; all with coiled constantine wire around the top - which wouldn't stop a zombie, but would at least snag them for a bit. The only problem I could see with the fence would be if a large number of zombie's could push it down. A remedy to this problem could be a constant, rotating shift of numerous people to guard the perimeter fence (on the inside of course) with weapons.

The facility itself is made out of concrete walls and heavy (steel?) doors. The units in which the inmates are housed do not have windows. There are two main entrances/exits to each unit; a north and a south door. There are also a few different entrances/exits along the east and west of the units. If needed, one could go onto the roof, too.

Within the perimeter fence there is plenty of space to farm, although it wouldn't be enough to feed an "army" of people. We actually have a greenhouse, too.

Obviously there are a few flaws, but I've thought this out and talked about it at length with fellow officers (who were none too thrilled to be talking about it, honestly) and it seems pretty sound. A plus would be if the prison was located in a relatively remote area - such as mine. A major hinderance would be the inmates. Ours are pretty docile and aren't serial killers or anything, but some of them could pose a problem, and I could certainly see the number of inmates (in my prison, a bit over 1,300) being an issue.

[DarthJoe8]

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread yet, but has anyone mentioned a prison? I don't mean a little county jail, but an actual prison. I work in one and it seems to be a logical choice.

The perimeter is surrounded by a fence, then another fence about three feet from that; all with coiled constantine wire around the top - which wouldn't stop a zombie, but would at least snag them for a bit. The only problem I could see with the fence would be if a large number of zombie's could push it down. A remedy to this problem could be a constant, rotating shift of numerous people to guard the perimeter fence (on the inside of course) with weapons.

The facility itself is made out of concrete walls and heavy (steel?) doors. The units in which the inmates are housed do not have windows. There are two main entrances/exits to each unit; a north and a south door. There are also a few different entrances/exits along the east and west of the units. If needed, one could go onto the roof, too.

Within the perimeter fence there is plenty of space to farm, although it wouldn't be enough to feed an "army" of people. We actually have a greenhouse, too.

Obviously there are a few flaws, but I've thought this out and talked about it at length with fellow officers (who were none too thrilled to be talking about it, honestly) and it seems pretty sound. A plus would be if the prison was located in a relatively remote area - such as mine. A major hinderance would be the inmates. Ours are pretty docile and aren't serial killers or anything, but some of them could pose a problem, and I could certainly see the number of inmates (in my prison, a bit over 1,300) being an issue.


You should read The Walking Dead comic. :drinking: They pretty much did everything your talking about.

[ashley]

Thanks! I'll have to check those out.

[ryan112ryan]

So I just moved to a new city and I was thinking about where / what to do when the s*** hits the fan. I’m now living in a neighborhood that has a large parking lot for boat storage. This area is surrounded by a high fence with barbed wire and a big gate.

I was thinking this would be a great place to hold up if things at my house goes bad or even before. In the middle of the parking lot there is a power line tower that about 15 feet off the ground has cross braces that would make it easy to build a 20’ x 20’ platform to sleep on at night. Barbed wire could be added on the legs, but it would be over kills since its hard enough for a human to climb it, but a zed couldn’t. a ladder could be used to get up and down.


What do you all think?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ryan112ryan/parking.jpg

Pros:

close to my house
no main road travel
seculded parking lot
large open area to see zeds coming
fenced in
since its a boat storage, lots of materials and gas
boat trailers to make trailers for hauling
less than 1/4 mile to a lake
houses close by to loot
walmart less than 1 mile


Cons
power lines = death if you touch
lightning
walmart less than 1 mile

[Creature]

This thread (which hopefully has never been introduced) is a thread which people think zombies may have problems moving in. My ideas are Ice, Loose sand, steep hills. Have any more?

[DarthJoe8]

Mountains. :think: yeah, mountains. :drinking:

[Lian]

One has to remember though if you make a place too difficult to get into how are you going to get out? You also have to bear in mind that zombies won't have the same kinds of problems that humans do in rough terrain, in fact in some ways they may be better suited than we are.

Zombies may have problems on loose sand, but so may people no real advantage one way or the other there. Even if zombies have more trouble with the sand then humans they don't get tired. Loose sand implies desert also and since zombies won't need water the advantage tips to them though.

Same thing with ice, zombies don't get tired, and don't suffer from hypothermia. Now potentially the cold might actually freeze zombies solid eliminating them from the chase entirely. But once they thaw they'll be back on it. You'll be dealing with a fresh wave of zombies every spring.


My ideal shelter is an elevated plateau or hill. Seige warfare has shown over the course of history that elevation is the key to out surviving a seige, as long as you have supplies, and potentially a back door. From this elevated position I want some way to get fresh water in be it a mountain spring, river, whatever. And from this elevation I want to the ability to see out around my minefield, unobstructed at least a thousand yards in every direction.

[Onslaught]

minefield.

you don't have to bury the mines. you can keep them clearly marked so as to avoid them.

most anti-personnel mines are only designed to blow off a foot anyway, but at least that stops them from walking. and who knows, once they're down they may hit more with their arms/torso.

dense forest woudn't be bad either. it would be easy to construct a chest high fence. leave a few gates (bottlenecks/murderholes) and they shouldn't try too hard to climb them. either way it slows them down enough for you to get a shot.

[DarthJoe8]

minefield.

you don't have to bury the mines. you can keep them clearly marked so as to avoid them.

most anti-personnel mines are only designed to blow off a foot anyway, but at least that stops them from walking. and who knows, once they're down they may hit more with their arms/torso.

How do you replenish the field when its full of Zeds? In the short term this may help slow them down but in the long term i think it would be breached.

dense forest woudn't be bad either. it would be easy to construct a chest high fence. leave a few gates (bottlenecks/murderholes) and they shouldn't try too hard to climb them. either way it slows them down enough for you to get a shot.

If your only dealing with a roamer or two then this might be a good idea. I think that in a long term siege, that this, also would be breached. :think:

:drinking:

[Lian]

How do you replenish the field when its full of Zeds? In the short term this may help slow them down but in the long term i think it would be breached.

Keep the population low. Kill them off as necessary then walk out and place new one's. If it gets to the point I can't walk out my front door I'm packing my bags and hitting the escape tunnel.



If your only dealing with a roamer or two then this might be a good idea. I think that in a long term siege, that this, also would be breached. :think:

:drinking:

Again see above.

[Faran Brigo]

How do you replenish the field when its full of Zeds? In the short term this may help slow them down but in the long term i think it would be breached.

If your only dealing with a roamer or two then this might be a good idea. I think that in a long term siege, that this, also would be breached. :think:

:drinking:

Like any military analyst, historian or even RTS player would tell you, there's no such thing as an impenetrable defense. The purposes of defenses are:

1.- To act as a force multiplier allowing smaller numbers of personel to take care of higher numbers of opposing forces.

2.- To make assaults expensive for the enemy, so that hopefully they will desist, or lose (or be severely weakened) by attrition.

3.- To delay the attacker long enough to bring reinforcements, flank the enemy or take some other measure to destroy or defeat enemy forces. Or to escape safely.

4.- As a means of psychological warfare. Think how big the morale difference is between the guys posted in a pillbox firing downhill with a machinegun vs the guys who have to charge uphill under fire and without cover.

A force determined and numerous enough will eventually overwhelm any defense, or render it impractical. Nothing with the exception of huge thick concrete or stone walls with watchtowers or an underground complex like Norad will hold out to a prolonged assault, and even those depend on supplies not running out. In short, on the "long term", if your defenses hold your supplies won't, so that's a moot point IMHO

[ashley]

Good point. I think to move base once things started looking even a bit hairy might work.

[Augustus Desius]

In terms of what you can produce, I would say small pits and waved terrain is as good as it will get. The benifits of this is it's easy to produce and it will undoubtedly slow the opposition down which should help you remove them before they reach base. The downsides outweigh the good, as this terrain will also slow you down, and may hide the zeds beneath a small hill or pit.

High inclines are the way to go for terrain you can't produce, as the zeds won't very likely know how to scale. It also give you an excelent view over the field of battle.

Also, excelent post Faran, very accurate.

[Faran Brigo]

Well thanks Augustus. I think if you have an abundant supply of water, like an irrigation canal or ditch connected to a river, muddy fields are something to consider. If the ground's adequate, it can either form deep sticky mud or a slippery layer of silt. Considering the atrocious coordination zeds have, this would be more of an obstacle to zeds than yourself, and it can be done relatively fast and with little effort.

[Dave Of The Dead]

The great plains of the midwest! Why? Because I'm used to it, familiar with it, and you can see for miles (cornfields excluded). You know if there is an attack coming from miles away just by looking out your window. You don't need an all-terrain vehicle or any fancy equipment like that. There are plenty of fresh water lakes around and not to mention, hicks. Why do you think Indiana has named one of its towns "Hickville?" That means lots of guns and ammo for everyone!

[Creature]

Note: Stay out of hickville. Many people will be there for weapons. My greatest idea for terrain is... Up. Straight Up. Climb a tree. Go to a cliff that you can only climb up. Get supplies. make a tunnel. Excetera Excetera
:evil:

[DarthJoe8]

Like any military analyst, historian or even RTS player would tell you, there's no such thing as an impenetrable defense. The purposes of defenses are:

1.- To act as a force multiplier allowing smaller numbers of personel to take care of higher numbers of opposing forces.

With Zeds we're talking about possible millions of dead.

2.- To make assaults expensive for the enemy, so that hopefully they will desist, or lose (or be severely weakened) by attrition.

This matters not to a Zed siege. Zack doesn't cry or get scared. :scare:

3.- To delay the attacker long enough to bring reinforcements, flank the enemy or take some other measure to destroy or defeat enemy forces. Or to escape safely.

Sure, slow them down and escape. But as we kinda know, if you encounter one Zed there will ussually be more to come. :scare:

4.- As a means of psychological warfare. Think how big the morale difference is between the guys posted in a pillbox firing downhill with a machinegun vs the guys who have to charge uphill under fire and without cover.

Kinda an irrelevant point when your talking about Zeds. I think it's important to remember the strengths of a Zed army.

A force determined and numerous enough will eventually overwhelm any defense, or render it impractical. Nothing with the exception of huge thick concrete or stone walls with watchtowers or an underground complex like Norad will hold out to a prolonged assault, and even those depend on supplies not running out. In short, on the "long term", if your defenses hold your supplies won't, so that's a moot point IMHO

Very true. :drinking:And Zeds are very determined.

Your talking about conventional warfare here, and your 100% correct. Apply those tactics and strategies to fighting zed and i think that in most cases they fail pretty quickly.

[RockJock]

The best way to maybe survive a zed outbreak is returning to being highly nomadic. Use the traditional environments that man lived in. Wide open plains and mountains. Forests can be a deathtrap since things can spring out behind trees, and in a thick enough forest you can hide an army and no one would be the wiser.

This works heavily on 'Slow and Flee', slow down your enemy and flee the area. Being undead, zed probably isn't able to recognize even the most open and well present trap. A series of high tension wire strings about head or neck level, painted bright orange or marked at their bounds might not kill a zed if they run through it but it'll make it harder for it to operate in two pieces. Pungi Pits, stagger walls, objects hanging from high in the walking path. None of this is meant to stop a zombie crawl but to slow them down. They might pile up, and eventually all get up, but it'll give probably enough time to get the heck out of dodge and put about a good four or five miles between you and the zed.

This'll also slow down individual strays so they can be dealt with quickly. But eventually enough of them will some how know you're there and when they do... Flee to the next camp. Going on traditional standards, each camp'll last only three to four months before you'll have to move on to the next and then probably in two years time go back to the first camp and start the loop over again. It'll give the zed enough time to shamble after new prey or be taken out by natural factors. (Predator animals, scavangers, natural decay)

Pretty much living how the Native Americans and other tribal peoples had lived for hundreds of years.

In addition to this, there would have to be a total abandonment of some modern concepts like doorways being over six foot. They'd have to be a lot lower, probably like 3 and a half feet so they'd have to bow and crouch in. Reasoning being having to expose the head first to damage when entering.

Also having places be extremely difficult to get into but easily able to be fled from. Such as the Navajo settlements in the west. Limited path in through a narrow ledge bridge till you got to a point where people inside the settlement are needed to help in over some natural or man made difficulty. Such as a pit requiring lowering of a bridge or handing of a climbing rope. But on the inside the place can be fled easily by climbing ropes down and out from all directions.

Yes, this would be a very difficult and tiring life, and a good third of those who survived the zombie outbreak would probably die from this lifestyle but the survivors would be fit enough to handle probably just about anything.

[Faran Brigo]

First of all, I listed the traditional purposes of defenses and fortifications. I figured since we all know zombies, each of us would get it and made adjustments. Having said that...

1.- 15 people holding a simple chainlink fence are going to be able to hold more zombies for longer than those same 15 could if they were on wide open ground. Whether or not this is enough to stand up to millions or thousands is a different matter, the force multiplier effect still applies and it's still better than nothing.

2.- Read the last bit again, lose (or be severely weakened) by attrition. Key word here being "lose". If there are 300 zeds outside your defenses and you kill 10 a day, at the end of the month you won by attrition. Of course they are not going to give up, but they can still be whittled down to nothing or reduced to relatively safe levels.

3.- Not necesarily, could be just a lone straggler. As long as you don't do something dumb that brings a lot of attention to yourself, or if zombies migrate and we didn't know, you should be ok if you're in the middle of nowhere.

4.- Still relevant because here, we're not trying to intimidate Zack, it won't scare the zeds, but it will comfort and reassure the people holding the line. The psychological effect isn't limited to the enemy or even the people holding the line. It's easier to rest knowing there's a series of fortifications between you and the bloody, bloated rotting ghouls that want to devour you, than if there's nothing there but some people. Doesn't even have to be true, the belief alone is enough to benefit.

These are not tactics or strategies, these are principles to take into account when planning your defenses. Principles don't have to fit exactly on every ocassion, they're just there to influence your planning, not to replace it.

[jim96sc2]

It goes back to my basic principle, you need a place you can LIVE, not survive, for extended periods of time without any real danger of breach.

Personally, give me any where there is adeuate rain, enough supplies and time to build a simple hard-sided dirt fort, and at least 1/2 an acre per person and I'll pretty much be able to survive and fight (after all, you don't want to be stuck) for a very long time.

[jim96sc2]

The best way to maybe survive a zed outbreak is returning to being highly nomadic. Use the traditional environments that man lived in. Wide open plains and mountains. Forests can be a deathtrap since things can spring out behind trees, and in a thick enough forest you can hide an army and no one would be the wiser.

Fleeing is hardly even considerable becuse at some point you need to rest, zombies do not. Pretty soon you'll be encircled or caught off guard.

This works heavily on 'Slow and Flee', slow down your enemy and flee the area. Being undead, zed probably isn't able to recognize even the most open and well present trap. A series of high tension wire strings about head or neck level, painted bright orange or marked at their bounds might not kill a zed if they run through it but it'll make it harder for it to operate in two pieces. Pungi Pits, stagger walls, objects hanging from high in the walking path. None of this is meant to stop a zombie crawl but to slow them down. They might pile up, and eventually all get up, but it'll give probably enough time to get the heck out of dodge and put about a good four or five miles between you and the zed.

Punji pits won't do didly except kill the odd zombie that stumble and has an eye socket pierced by a stick. And who is going to be spending time building, setting up, and planning all htese traps as your slowly encircled?

This'll also slow down individual strays so they can be dealt with quickly. But eventually enough of them will some how know you're there and when they do... Flee to the next camp. Going on traditional standards, each camp'll last only three to four months before you'll have to move on to the next and then probably in two years time go back to the first camp and start the loop over again. It'll give the zed enough time to shamble after new prey or be taken out by natural factors. (Predator animals, scavangers, natural decay)

Camps, shambling, a year? Population density where you live must be rather low, the rest of us live in a place called civilization. Unless your in an area with <1 person for every mile you need to build defenses and start long term planning.

Pretty much living how the Native Americans and other tribal peoples had lived for hundreds of years.

They also weren't chased by the hoards of undead.

In addition to this, there would have to be a total abandonment of some modern concepts like doorways being over six foot. They'd have to be a lot lower, probably like 3 and a half feet so they'd have to bow and crouch in. Reasoning being having to expose the head first to damage when entering.

Could be a good idea. Mind you that this will increase the ease at which your door becomes blocked, and decrease you offensive ability out of the door. Also, ingress/egress will be comprimised

Also having places be extremely difficult to get into but easily able to be fled from. Such as the Navajo settlements in the west. Limited path in through a narrow ledge bridge till you got to a point where people inside the settlement are needed to help in over some natural or man made difficulty. Such as a pit requiring lowering of a bridge or handing of a climbing rope. But on the inside the place can be fled easily by climbing ropes down and out from all directions.

SHort term it works, but you better be destroying those zombies with wild abandon so you won't be trapped in an unprepared siege.

[jim96sc2]

Trapped on a telephone pole surrounded by zombies? No thanks.

[mattifikation]

You're going to be trapped somewhere surrounded by zombies. Unless, of course, you're a zombie.

My concern with that place is food. Nowhere to store it, nowhere to grow it, nowhere to hunt it, and that leaves you with looting the houses. That's a ticket to deathsville.

[Behemoth]

Yes, this would be a very difficult and tiring life, and a good third of those who survived the zombie outbreak would probably die from this lifestyle but the survivors would be fit enough to handle probably just about anything.

This would be the problem, 90% of people could not live like that, the steps in central asia, the mongol people traditionally lived this way, but now most of prefer to live in cities, why? It is easier.
I do think that the thread makes sense, i cannot see zombies chasing a few people hundreds of miles out into the countryside, so the chances of getting surrounded are almost nil, the only way i can see anyone living in the backwoods seeing a zombie is if there was say a hunting party in that area that got infected, but that would be sheer bad luck.

[ashley]

I think your ideas warrant some merit... I also don't think it'd be all that difficult for a relatively fit and able person or group to do what you're saying. The difficulty would stem from finding people physically and psychologically capable and willing to leave their "safe haven".

[DarthJoe8]

First of all, I listed the traditional purposes of defenses and fortifications. I figured since we all know zombies, each of us would get it and made adjustments. Having said that...

1.- 15 people holding a simple chainlink fence are going to be able to hold more zombies for longer than those same 15 could if they were on wide open ground. Whether or not this is enough to stand up to millions or thousands is a different matter, the force multiplier effect still applies and it's still better than nothing.

True, but for every zed you pop, 10 more show up.

2.- Read the last bit again, lose (or be severely weakened) by attrition. Key word here being "lose". If there are 300 zeds outside your defenses and you kill 10 a day, at the end of the month you won by attrition. Of course they are not going to give up, but they can still be whittled down to nothing or reduced to relatively safe levels.

Every 10 you kill, 100 are alerted to your position, I don't think you'll ever have enough rounds to break the hurdle.

3.- Not necesarily, could be just a lone straggler. As long as you don't do something dumb that brings a lot of attention to yourself, or if zombies migrate and we didn't know, you should be ok if you're in the middle of nowhere.

This was my entire point, the convo began with using land mines as an anti zed defense. We know that this would basically just make a lot of noise and make crawlers, A few might die. (I know land mines worked in 28 days but they weren't zombies):lol: Every explosion or shot fired brings more attention to yourself and hence brings more of the dead to your door step.

4.- Still relevant because here, we're not trying to intimidate Zack, it won't scare the zeds, but it will comfort and reassure the people holding the line. The psychological effect isn't limited to the enemy or even the people holding the line. It's easier to rest knowing there's a series of fortifications between you and the bloody, bloated rotting ghouls that want to devour you, than if there's nothing there but some people. Doesn't even have to be true, the belief alone is enough to benefit.

I agree with you, that having a series of fortifications and fall back areas is a great idea. The psychological effect of fighting the dead, shooting ten of them and the next day your facing 100. Your tired, hungry and running low on supplies. All the while Zacks numbers grow. Zack wins the psychological war every day.

These are not tactics or strategies, these are principles to take into account when planning your defenses. Principles don't have to fit exactly on every ocassion, they're just there to influence your planning, not to replace it.

Your right.:drinking:

:think: Someone mentioned a plateau. I think this would be ideal place to "live". Someone also mentioned the difference between survival and living. You can't live in a constant state of siege. If the only way to get to your plateau is by climbing or flying then you'll probably be ok. Also, assuming the plateau has a water source and is large enough to maybe have wild game and to produce agriculture, i think you could have generations living there waiting for zack to rot.

We win by attrition. :drinking:

[Eknytz]

On top of a Mesa.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Trapped in a parking lot, wilderness of pain, and all the children are insane.

[Creature]

Mesa eh? Niiiiiice. Just how the he- oh wait. it moves. hmmm... WHAT IF YOU LOSE WHEELS? Answer that. Well it would be almost foolproof. and zombie proof
:clap:

[RevolutionTime]

Hey everybody! I just found this forum, and I’ve got to say it looks awesome.

I generally think that's a good plan, and eventually what people would have to do. The thought of killing a Zombie with an arrow or spear brings a smile to my face, lol. The chances of you getting encircled would be close to zero. There is a lot of empty space out west my friends. A LOT. I think the only real issue with your plan is the weather. Surviving in the middle of the Rocky Mountains during the winter is no picnic. You'd also actually have to HAVE survival skills. They aren't something you can really pick up on the fly. A lot of it is common sense, but plenty of it isn't too. Survival is hard enough without worrying about the undead lol. I really think you'd have to do it with a group of people. Maybe five or so. There would be too much work for one or even two people to do. Especially if you're going to stay put in one place for awhile and build traps. The final issue I see, and it's not something too many people consider, is the fact that it is rather easy to get lost out in the wilderness. Especially in forests. You can get turned around and lose all your bearings. It's something you would have to be particularly careful of, especially if you were with a group. Food isn't going to walk up to your camp and let you kill it. Members are going to have to go out and look for it. They may have to search for days. You better make sure that if they manage to get anything, they know how to get back to you, lol.

[mattdettorre123]

Agreed, so many of my friends joined the marines and said "i dont think i could kill" then when someone shot at them how quickly they got over it.

[JakAttak]

Thanks! I'll have to check those out.

do that they kick ass.



any way what no place to grow food the flatland around the parking lot would probably do fine.

[bandits1]

Sorry, I haven't read the whole thread yet, but has anyone mentioned a prison? I don't mean a little county jail, but an actual prison. I work in one and it seems to be a logical choice.

The perimeter is surrounded by a fence, then another fence about three feet from that; all with coiled constantine wire around the top - which wouldn't stop a zombie, but would at least snag them for a bit. The only problem I could see with the fence would be if a large number of zombie's could push it down. A remedy to this problem could be a constant, rotating shift of numerous people to guard the perimeter fence (on the inside of course) with weapons.

The facility itself is made out of concrete walls and heavy (steel?) doors. The units in which the inmates are housed do not have windows. There are two main entrances/exits to each unit; a north and a south door. There are also a few different entrances/exits along the east and west of the units. If needed, one could go onto the roof, too.

Within the perimeter fence there is plenty of space to farm, although it wouldn't be enough to feed an "army" of people. We actually have a greenhouse, too.

Obviously there are a few flaws, but I've thought this out and talked about it at length with fellow officers (who were none too thrilled to be talking about it, honestly) and it seems pretty sound. A plus would be if the prison was located in a relatively remote area - such as mine. A major hinderance would be the inmates. Ours are pretty docile and aren't serial killers or anything, but some of them could pose a problem, and I could certainly see the number of inmates (in my prison, a bit over 1,300) being an issue.
You're right - a prison might just be nearly perfect as a semi-permanent anti-zombie residence. It's already built to keep large numbers of violent people in/out and has lots of sleeping and shower facilities(lol). It has food prep/storage areas and large grassy fields in which to grow crops.

The downside would be securing the inside of the prison. I'd assume that most of the prison guards/staff have already evacuated and probably left the prisoners to rot in their cells. What are you going to do with them? I wouldn't trust them as a member of my group, so you either have to force them to leave the prison grounds, or execute them.

[Dave Of The Dead]

In any city, I would think that evacuating prisoners would be right up there with evacuating civilians. If the problem was resolved quickly, and they left the prisoners behind, then they would probably come back to a town completely secured and ran by the inmates. I would think that numerous, dangerous people all close together somehow, as clever as most of them are, would fare much better against the undead than free citizens. Anyway, prisons and any other government building would probably be the first places to be cleared when something goes wrong.

[JakAttak]

yea no ones leaving violent men to their own devices somewere.

[Jericho]

(I'm curious where do you see yourself after the first two weeks of a Zombie attack? Dead, coping, or still dealing with threat. Anyway, pretend that the Zombies have attacked your town/city/village/neighbourhood and post your storys for example please).

Still can’t believe this. It’s good to see the forums still running despite the outside world turning to absolute hell. Heres my situation….

I’ve boarded up my house completely and retreated to the 2nd floor of my 3 story house. One story is underground, and while that may seem like the most logical place to hide, I didn’t want to hide there, encase they got into the middle floor. From the 2nd floor at least I can see what’s going on and everything and jump from it, though if I jump and break a bone I’m screwed. I’ve been boiling water and that seems to be fine, though I also put my fish in the infected water as a bit of an experiment with the result been off no effect. While I also have plenty of water, food seems to be my primary concern, as I didn’t have time to get any canned goods, once this started, and I know I will have to leave the protection of my house/fortress to get food soon. I know that most of the places around me will be have been long looted and empty by now, so l’m thinking I should try to raid neighbours houses. There is also a plant store further down the road, and I’m thinking of raiding some bags of soil and seeds to start building a farm on the roof of my house. I’ve poked my head out the window occasionally, and there’s no mass army of Zeds out the front waiting for me, just the odd one or two that struggles past in the street each day. I’m going to wait a bit longer for when they follow people out of town before I head out and get supplies.

[beyerwrestler]

(I'm curious where do you see yourself after the first two weeks of a Zombie attack? Dead, coping, or still dealing with threat. Anyway, pretend that the Zombies have attacked your town/city/village/neighbourhood and post your storys for example please).

Still can’t believe this. It’s good to see the forums still running despite the outside world turning to absolute hell. Heres my situation….

I’ve boarded up my house completely and retreated to the 2nd floor of my 3 story house. One story is underground, and while that may seem like the most logical place to hide, I didn’t want to hide there, encase they got into the middle floor. From the 2nd floor at least I can see what’s going on and everything and jump from it, though if I jump and break a bone I’m screwed. I’ve been boiling water and that seems to be fine, though I also put my fish in the infected water as a bit of an experiment with the result been off no effect. While I also have plenty of water, food seems to be my primary concern, as I didn’t have time to get any canned goods, once this started, and I know I will have to leave the protection of my house/fortress to get food soon. I know that most of the places around me will be have been long looted and empty by now, so l’m thinking I should try to raid neighbours houses. There is also a plant store further down the road, and I’m thinking of raiding some bags of soil and seeds to start building a farm on the roof of my house. I’ve poked my head out the window occasionally, and there’s no mass army of Zeds out the front waiting for me, just the odd one or two that struggles past in the street each day. I’m going to wait a bit longer for when they follow people out of town before I head out and get supplies.

Its been 1 month after the outbreak first found its way into my city. Ive been holed up in my 2 story house fortifying the fences,windows, and door the duration along with my family and my best bud and his parents. Ive added metal sheets on top of my fences so the zeds dont try to push themselves up and over. Ive made doorway in my fence that goes into my neighbors (well used to be neighbor) backyard where ive fortified the home as well as i could for storage and a back up hold incase my home is overtaken. I dont see that happening anytime soon though. With a perimeter fence rapped around my lawn with sandbags and miscellaneous crates and items against and around the fences the zeds have no chance. Its been weird now though (weirder than the outbreak) I have only seen small numbers of zeds walking the streets. There no immediate threat but make good targets for practice. Its been 3 days no zombies. Me, my dad, my buddy, and his dad went into town to see what was going on. I reached to turn on the radio but my dad said "Its no use it'll jus be static". I switched it on anyway and the blaring sound of "How Far We've Come" by Matchbox Twenty. Everyone in the car yelled in excitement. "If the radio stations are coming back on...do you think its over?" exclaimed my bud. As we stopped at a gas station to siphon a few gallons we noticed something else. "Its Quiet! Theres no moaning or zombies anywhere!" I exclaimed excitedly. We came back home in a rush to tell everyone the news. As soon as we pulled up to the house all we could hear was crying. I immediately grabbed for my Ruger and rushed inside looking around me for any trace of zombies. But what i found was my sis, mom, bro, and my friends mom crying as they watched the news. The News! the thought shot into my head like a firework into the sky. "The television works and the newscaster says that the outbreak is over!" screamed my sister through what i could now tell were happy tears. The reporter explained that while the outbreak had been out infecting people scientists had been very close on a cure for the virus at its early stages. Pressured by the government and by their own will to save the dwindling population the released it even though it was unfinished. What it did thpgh was initiate the reverse of the virus and millions of zombies began dropping like flies. My dad switched off the tv and said "Anyone feel like barbecue?"

[stark55]

i know most people say that cites are a bad idea but as far as cites go its not the worst off in the zpaw. lots of suburbs good for supplys that wont immediately be looted. lots of gun-stores. transportation is easy if you know were your going.

i figure its in the dessert tong term were looking at the east hitting us with 2 or 3 times before the zeds finaly come over the mountains and all of cali comes down on us. that will be the hardest time wen they come from the west. a non stop flood of bodies coming from the west and intermittent waves from the towns to the east.

[SelfDefined]

If an outbreak occured i'd go into a super high skyscraper, completely demolish all the stairs and elevators, then go to the top room and just live in there. i would obviously have tons of supplies with me. what would u guys do, please be detailed.

[ghdeh1]

If an outbreak occured i'd go into a super high skyscraper, completely demolish all the stairs and elevators, then go to the top room and just live in there. i would obviously have tons of supplies with me. what would u guys do, please be detailed.

You would not be able to get food if you destroyed the stairs.:x

[stark55]

i grab the knife on my lap put on my boots call my aunt and dad to not go to work wake my brother grab some of the better weapons here than walk 2 blocks to my home. i grab my knives and machete. i call some friends lets say i cant get ahold of them to make things hard. the moment of truth do i go save my friends or go to wallmart? you all think i would go to wallmart so i will. grab a cart go to sporting or camping. grab: tent (if i have more than myself at this point i will grab the biggest model if not than the second smallest) glow sticks, ammo (only have an sks in the house so 7.62 rounds, 22. guns are common i would carry some ammo for them on the off chance you find one, same for 9.mm). i would get a backpack full of clothing, one of medical supplies, one of foods and fill the rest of the cart with water. i would check to make sure i had one of the better carts than leave.

[DarthJoe8]

I was just upstate in NY this past weekend and thought about an outbreak. Upstate in the mountains is the place to be imo, zed numbers are way lower than a city, the terrain makes it difficult for Zack to get to you and you can always raid the lower areas. :think:

A city would be the last place that i would be. :drinking:

[wyattpowers]

I think in the immediate aftermath of an outbreak, I'd want to avoid the cities. Too many people - most of them ill-prepared for a plague of the undead - in the area, and that'd lead to bad things.

But having said that, once an area has been over-run by zeds and they've moved on in search of fresh meat to dine on, I think cities would be good for a quick visit, for the reasons stark55 mentioned: supplies, weapons, etc.

In general though, I'd probably stay in suburbia which I think offers the best of all worlds: not as populated as cities, but not so rural that it'd be tough to get to a city for supplies.

[Trumble0]

I was just upstate in NY this past weekend and thought about an outbreak. Upstate in the mountains is the place to be imo, zed numbers are way lower than a city, the terrain makes it difficult for Zack to get to you and you can always raid the lower areas. :think:

A city would be the last place that i would be. :drinking:

I goto College right on the border of Canada, its really not a bad location, The St. Lawrence Seaway protects us from Canadian Zombies, theres 1 bridge by my school, a problem which explosives could solve :evil: The closest city, Massena is like an hour away, Watertown is an hour and a half away, and the sheer numbers of gunshops in the north country, there's a gunshop every couple miles. :lol: besides the fact that when january hits, it gets to be almost -20 at night on most nights. the Zombies would freeze solid.

[Trebek]

Vegas would be a problem. Anyone who's been there before knows that after 24 hours you start to look like a zombie from lack of sleep and alcohol consumption. You might end up dropping an uninfected human and getting in trouble.

[ghdeh1]

Here's mine

Take all of the kitchen knives and all of the air rifles* in my house then go to the R.V. dealer grab a gasoline 4 person R.V. and load it with food and bottled water and quick mix concrete from lesser stores like the dollar store or dollar general and head to texas. I'll try to find a good fort area like a flat toped hill and set up a concrete bunker and walls put all of my food in the R.V. and try to nab two four wheelers for raids. I will try and grow food and trap animals but raiding will be a major source of food and water for a few months, maybe less. If I find a spring or stream I'll fence it off (for zeds) and get my water and fish from that. The R.V. will double as food storage and sleeping quarters.


*For all of you who are wondering why, I don't what to attract zeds, I want to keep the away from me.

[hauntedtony]

I would probably lock myself in a supermarket

[mattifikation]

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15545

Now that looks familiar... :-)

[stark55]

Vegas would be a problem. Anyone who's been there before knows that after 24 hours you start to look like a zombie from lack of sleep and alcohol consumption.

lol not if you live here.

but really if you had to pick a city vegas is a good place. it may be one of the lase places to lose power. we dont get much power from the hoover dam but we have another low maintenance power source. the houses can easily be demolished with some simple tools or reinforced just as easily. farming would be a problem with the lack of steady rain but i know allot of ways to save water.

i just think you would want to be in a place built like a maze. even if i get stuck in some pore guys house i can chop through a wall and hop a back fence and you have lost the horde.

we have two fantastic places to gather supplies. one is the mall area it has a dicks and another sport store in the parking lot and even a Costco in the same lot and everything. we also have a good bass pro shop. people come from Alaska just to buy a bear killing gun.

not to mention i dont like being far from home i can cope but the heat and sun draw me to this place (may not like the light but i dont freeze at any piont in the year.)

and plus i like being close to area 51

[Adam Sandler]

That's a very very bad ideá. The top of the scyscraper will get too cold without heating. Well maybe not out in the desert like Burj Dubai. The sand people sure know what to do with oil money, hehe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Dubai

http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2005/07/dubai_01_598x533.jpg

Status Under construction
Groundbreaking September 21, 2004
Estimated completion 2009[1]
Opening September 2009 (est.)
Height
Antenna/Spire at least 818 m (2,684 ft)
Roof at least 636 m (2,087 ft)
Top floor at least 636 m (2,087 ft)

[Victor Clark]

While Los Vegas wouldn't be anywhere near close to a good safe-haven for me, he does have a few good points. Vegas would probably indeed be one of the last places to lose power, mostly because all the casinos are equipped with good generators that activate immediately after a blackout (mostly so the cameras will still be on and no one would steal anything), which could keep the freezers and security systems running well for at least a few days.
Plus, the city is huge and full of recreational places to hold off in. While all their malls and Wal-Marts will be crammed with infected looters and panicked civilians, almost no one will be at the movie theaters, bowling alleys, fun centers, or other places that no one would think of looting or holding off in. And since Vegas has a lot of vacationers, those untouched recreational areas will probably be fully stocked with food and water to live on for at least a week or two (depending on how big your survivor group is). Other than those facts, I wouldn't want to be in Vegas or any other huge city when the zombies rise.

[secretcog]

Sun Tzus "The Art of War," if you haven't read it, get it!

It may not help too much against a hord of zombies, but it will help with ancient battle tactics since the combat will be out dated in and of itself!

Go up (i.e. mountain), build a walled fortification, and prepare for the long haul!

ANY city and/or major population center is a bad idea. It's better to float aimlessly in the ocean, food is plentyiful, (so long as the ocean inhabitants aren't living dead fish) and I doubt Z's can swim.

[stark55]

go up (i.e. mountain), build a walled fortification, and prepare for the long haul!

almost every home has a wall here and its easier to fill a hole in a wall or make one taller than to make a new wall. if i went to my aunts house and blocked the windows from both sides i would be in pretty good shape and even still have a back yard and be able to get around the neighborhood on the walls. there are great places to hide within 15 min. on foot and im not far from a water treatment plant that has a tall wall with spikes on the top. i know how to easily get in with out opening a gate and i know a zed couldn't get in that way. sadly they are not well stocked so i would have to do that but i would have lots of water and the ability to recycle it.

[JakAttak]

Vegas hmmm low permanent population, pre-irrigated up the ass, plenty of supplies (for survival and recreation) so much steel you could fortify and still make simple weapons, luxuries that don't go bad (drinky drinky:drinking:) plenty of room for living,and far away from other large urban areas. I like.

[JakAttak]

stay locked up in my house until some s**t clears up then head to the Appalachian trail and hang out there till it blows over.

[secretcog]

I'm no professional strategist, and I also don't work for an agency that handles anything of this magnitude. Actually...I don't work for an agency at all! I work at a steel mill. I am by no means qualified to answer this thread, but I'm off work for a day, I have a Jager'n'coke, and my fiancée and sons are sound asleep, so I figured...what the h-ll!

The ultimate survival plan: stay alive!

Nothing can be set in stone. Circumstances, life experiences, training, and odds/chance will determine our survival. If I had a large surplus of an expendable income, and advanced knowledge of a possible threat of a viral outbreak that would create a zombie horde, I would be able to take the measures necessary for survival.

Highly secure, fortifications spread out throughout the planet. Each a self-supporting environment, and governed as a police state. Think...Starship Troopers.

[Tripoli]

Vegas hmmm low permanent population, pre-irrigated up the ass, plenty of supplies (for survival and recreation) so much steel you could fortify and still make simple weapons, luxuries that don't go bad (drinky drinky:drinking:) plenty of room for living,and far away from other large urban areas. I like.

"Low permanent population”? Are you nuts? “(drinky drinky)” Right, the dead rise and you want to drink and get hammered? OK. Vegas would be just an OK place. All in all there are thousands of better cities than Vegas.

[Tripoli]

ReKill the UnDEAD! What other plan do you need?:lol:

[stark55]

"Low permanent population”? Are you nuts? “(drinky drinky)” Right, the dead rise and you want to drink and get hammered? OK. Vegas would be just an OK place. All in all there are thousands of better cities than Vegas.

point some out and give the reasons. you can live off alcohol for quite a long time if you have to and with out getting completely hammered if your careful. not to say im raiding a lee's you know but just that after all the bottled water is gone that is a possibility.

[Zev]

, luxuries that don't go bad (drinky drinky:drinking:)... I like.

Yes, it's always the drunks that get bitten first.
:)

[Tripoli]

point some out and give the reasons. you can live off alcohol for quite a long time if you have to and with out getting completely hammered if your careful. not to say im raiding a lee's you know but just that after all the bottled water is gone that is a possibility.

The US Census Bureau list the population of Las Vegas for the year of 2006 at 552,539! Las Vegas Metropolitan Statistical Area at 1,777,539 people! This is NOT a low "Low permanent population”...... fact enough?

Live on alcohol? :lol:

[Panther7]

This thread is stupid. You can't have one perfect zombie plan. Every situation is different. You have to think on your feet and be flexible.

[Panther7]

If your asking what i would PROBLEY end up doing here it is (takes breath). I would eat my breakfest and watch T.V. then go to the window to see if i need to turn the lawn spinklers on, see a zombie, stare for 7 seconds then run into my bathroom and piss all over my lounge pants. Then i'll change into my cargo pants and get my M1 carbine. I will start shooting at zombies. I'll kill three and then accidently shoot some guy, say shit like 12 times, get some food and Mr.Machete, and start running in a random direction. After that, who knows. I'll probely end up ok though.

[mattifikation]

Well, that's not really a "plan." It's probably the most brutally honest and accurate description of what most of us would do though.

For me, change "m1 carbine" to "shotgun," and I'll add the fact that as I'm driving in a frenzied panic, I'll be calling every last one of my hot female friends and asking if, by any chance, they would be willing to sleep with me if it was the end of the world.

[stark55]

The US Census Bureau list the population of Las Vegas for the year of 2006 at 552,539! Las Vegas Metropolitan Statistical Area at 1,777,539 people! This is NOT a low "Low permanent population”...... fact enough?:lol:

no. i didnt say it had a low pop. but the zeds wont stay here they will wonder off. the zed populations will spread out. cites will still have more but they will still have more supplies for those who are not suited for prolonged wilderness survival. it may take months for most people to want to come back but some will and that clears more room in the woods for the mountain men. the people who would stay in the cities would acclimate and probably be the best at tacking back our towns and wiping large numbers of zeds out.

[diablo166]

Ultimate realisation nearly failsafe plan to survive zombie doomsday event!!!
Gather 11 women (to prevent imbreeding amongst children) (im a male didnt bother for the female side of things sorry!) get your @ss into space and restart in orbit!!! It will work unless the station breaks down. But we can grow food in space right? I mean in the enclosed envoment things?

[Dagnammit]

Oxygen might be an issue after a while. :scare:

This raises an interesting point though - if some great catastrophe suddenly and utterly wiped humankind off the face of the Earth (nuclear war, disease, whatever...), what would become of the astronauts in the ISS? Bearing in mind there is usually at least one spacecraft docked with the station at any given time (currently a Russian Soyuz craft and two unmanned resupply modules), would it be at all possible for the crew to effect a survivable landing without anybody at mission control? What an interesting idea: a small crew of astronauts crash-landing on a silent Earth.

At least there would be somebody to repopulate the planet.

[Panther7]

that would be a cool movie atcually...

[Lian]

Theoretically possible, but I'm not one for sitting on my thumbs in a space station for half my natural life for them to all die out. Baring certain issues like seeing the same dozen people everyday, living inside a tin can and seeing the same boring things every damn day, things breaking causing eventual death, the only new forms of entertainment you'll find are those you make, and being stuck on a diet of what you can grow while in space, there is no reason you couldn't. Well actually that was a lot of reasons, physically there's not much reason you couldn't. It's the mental health you'll have to worry about. I'd much rather live and quite possibly die on Earth.

[mattifikation]

There's not nearly enough space to grow a steady supply of food on the space station, and there's not nearly enough people there to repopulate the earth.

[secretcog]

I can't believe this is posted. A space station? I'm not being sarcastic. A space station or a colony on another planet is an inevitable step along the road of human progress.

The reality of living on-board a current orbital vessel is just an extended death sentence. Not to mention, I'm not an astronaut, whom by my guessing, get first dibs!

The "real zombie" threat is more of a probability then a possibility. There is only one way to run...towards the horde! No flight, just fight! I'm not a gun toting, gung-ho war monger. I'm a man that realizes you can't run. The infection must be fought and eradicated.

[Slayer]

Around 2020 NASA is going to start constructing a base on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_outpost_(NASA)

If this goes ahead without delay, give it a few decades and colonization of the moon might begin. Separated from Earth on another planet, humanity could adapt and survive. We're not there yet, but it doesn't seem like we're too far off either.

[secretcog]

Around 2020 NASA is going to start constructing a base on the moon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_outpost_(NASA)

If this goes ahead without delay, give it a few decades and colonization of the moon might begin. Separated from Earth on another planet, humanity could adapt and survive. We're not there yet, but it doesn't seem like we're too far off either.

I follow what your saying. There is one reoccurring problem...the virus always spreads in an airport early on, then appears everywhere in hospitals. Sooo...will it travel into space and into bases and stations?

[Dagnammit]

I follow what your saying. There is one reoccurring problem...the virus always spreads in an airport early on, then appears everywhere in hospitals. Sooo...will it travel into space and into bases and stations?

Astronauts are routinely, thoroughly and repeatedly screened for any signs of disease. Moreover, the minimum three day trip to the moon provides an extra layer of quarantine - if they become undead or severely ill during the journey, they will be unable to dock.

[foolmasterz]

personally, i dont have the funds to build a space shuttle..plus you'd miss out on trying to survive a zombie invasion. dont get me wrong, id be scared pissless, but id be hella fun....i hope...

[JakAttak]

doubt it

hmmm to short play me some filler dragonforce!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s

[Rubble...]

http://zombierubble27.wordpress.com/

Blog site where I'm posted some old work I did on ATZ. Original title of the thread was "Zombie Safe Houses, NOT WALMART"

I'm still typing in the pros and cons of various safe houses, but have entered all of the assets that one should consider when seeking a safe house.

It was a semi-collaborative effort, with a lot of suggestions and input from ATZ members. For example, we even discussed the pros and cons of the porn shop. I'll eventually get that posted too.

[Trumble0]

I did a search to look for banks and ended up here... so Im going to assume someone has already offered the idea of holing up in a Bank Vault... bring some food in there, most arent air-tight... but I'm definitely going to start being nicer to my Banker :lol: maybe he will let me bring supplies and hole up in his vault with him. plus most have several layers of security. barred doors and then the actual vault.

[mattifikation]

Yeah, that's where I want to be. Trapped in a one-room closet with the guys who stuck me with a 20% interest on my car loan...

[jagus12]

Ill hold up in my house untill the great panic passed, then Ill try to get somewhere where I could get plenty of supplies and guns...
Dont we have a rally point anyway? After the great panic passed, Ill try to get there...

[JakAttak]

A rally point would be hard seeing as we aren't all next door neighbors.

[Jamesroberts]

My house or gf's house

[JakAttak]

have fort pulaski? anyway it's still a good idea two moats and drawbridges and it was mad to withstand a siege. and it's got tunnels for storage. Did I mention it's on an island?

[KyleStyle]

If you try to flee at the very beginning with everyone else you'll probably end up a zack or killed by friendly fire or something like that. Staying in your house for a while at least will avoid the confusion of everyone else leaving. Who knows, zack might even follow people out of town making it a little safer for you. This is of course just at the beginning. You will eventually have to move.

[homelitexl]

in the old bomb shelter near work

[50 cal]

Probably at a Sams Club warehouse. Enough food to last a really long time. Next to no entrances that need barricading.

[homelitexl]

either a strip club or the bombshelter i mentioned earlier converted into a strip club

[MacSupreMe]

The outbreak has occured in a city near yours, you have several days to prepare before the zeds make it to your city...

Think geographically what are your options?
Population
Roads
Safe houses
Military
Miles
etc...

Options pertain to people in the U.S.
(I'm Canadian so I don't count)

[Bob]

How about a Sams Club distribution warehouse?

[Victor Clark]

I would flee into the countryside, mostly because I'm already in the Ozarks. For the other choices:
-There are no islands or mountains nearby, so they're both out.
-Canada is closer to me than Mexico, but not by that much. Plus, over 90% of Canada's population is within 100 miles of the border, so it wouldn't exactly be the safest enterance.
-Mexico is pretty polluted and filled with crime now. I don't even want to think what would happen if zombies are put into the mix.
-And holding out in a town or city? Why don't I just stip down naked and cover myself in Bar-B-Que sauce? At least then I'll smell good when my liver and intestines are being ripped out by the undead.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I would bunker down. I would have to travel thru a city of about 2 million. Going to work is bad enouf on the freeways, I could only imagine a whole city trying to flee up into the Southern California mountians. After seeing what happen in New Orlenes after Hurricane Katrina, Shit,.. forget about it. Theres very little water up there, and a whole lot of Desert beyond that. I say bunker down, get with nieghbors, and try to destroy the undead while we are stronger than them, before they become stronger than us. try to blow the piss out of them.:scare: Another important thing to remember, were are you going to go? I dont think theres to many isolated places anymore with 300+ million people in the US alone. And do you think people living in rural areas are going to use leathal force to keep out people fleeing from the cities, Blow up bridges, roadblocks?

[Lian]

Well I'm pretty much going to run for it. Too many people living around here so therefore too many zombies. On the bright side I can more or less escape to the outskirts of the city without using any major roads. The parts I'm worried about are where I have the unfortunate problem oh having to cross the highways. Those will probably screw me, if I'm lucky I'll get an early start on everyone else but who knows.

If and When the idea of running falls apart I'll go from there depending on how things work out I may try fleeing on the LPC, or I may bunker down until I only have dead things to worry about. :think:

[kanUsurvive]

I live in a pretty small town.(around 5,000 people) It has mountains all around with caves and such. So I guess I could either bunker down in my house or get some friends and supplies and head to the caves. The zed population wouldn't be that high. Until all of them starting moving from different places and found my town. I don't think I would try and make it to the nearest island. I would have to go through very populated places throughout Va. Plus the only Islands out in the Chesapeake Bay are populated. Canada and Mexico are both pretty far away.

[Lian]

You know I don't really like the idea of fleeing to Canada or Mexico, both are just as populated as any area your likely to find in the beginning of the plague, and there is no real guarantee in either of them, putting a line on a map between you and the zombies doesn't insure safety.

[VideoJunkie]

what about a cellar? only one way in, most people store vegetables and wines in them, easy to barricade, all you would need would be a hammer, wood, some nails, a couple guns and non perishables and water and a few aluminum/wooden bats oughta be all ya need >:)

Basically you've just invented...a grave!:loon:

[Bob]

Yup a perfect place for the dead and if you rise you won't be outside in the rain.

[VideoJunkie]

Has anyone mentioned a Wal-Mart yet. Especially one of those super Wal-marts. They have food, weapons galore, clothing for as you re-popuate the earth your children can grow into. All the exits you wanted, books and lots of entertainment, and most have a foyer were you could have your last two blockades.

:xWALMART!!!:x:x:x:x:xAAARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

WILL THE MADNESS NEVER END!!!!


The answer is yes. It's been mentioned. Over and over and over and over and over....Get the picture? The consensus is that walmart is code for suicide. EVERYONE thinks of walmart. That's the problem. Everyone is gonna head for wally world. When you get to the store it'll be empty except for the zombies, the infected and the other looters...I mean scavengers. It's a toss up as to who will kill you first.

[Bob]

Why do you want to know where I intend to set up?
I am not giving my plans away.
Lets just say there is food for years and heavy equipment a plenty.

[homelitexl]

dude all i can say is a cuba or b oil rig bring soil up from the bottom its like steroids for plants.

[VideoJunkie]

I may try fleeing on the LPC



Lian, what's the LPC? I've never heard that term before, and not knowing stuff is like Kryptonite to me. Except I have no super powers and won't die from the exposure. Okay, it just annoys the heck outta me! Help me out, please!

[MacSupreMe]

I think the best places to survive would be the following

1) Penitentiary
High stone walls, iron cages numorous exits, plenty of sniper spots....

2) Old military bases
Pretty much the same as the first

3) Eurpoean Castles
again the same....

I was originally going to make this a poll but I think everyone can probably come up with many other options....

I'm fairly confident that most our pens are old restructured military bases anyways... (I'm Canadian)

[homelitexl]

gotta agree but an oil rig would be just as good

[atouchofpoison]

guys, I think we all need to put our heads together to come up with a perfect anti zombie outpost, for that one fortunate day when hell merges with earth. You have to remember the strict limits on materials in the time of crisis

[homelitexl]

my bombshelter idea would be really good

[Rubble...]

Some good examples of different places, including fast food restaurants and a tree house.
http://walkerzrubble27.wordpress.com/



Index of various safe houses. Short story has some good examples also.
http://zombierubble27.wordpress.com/

[Gummerfan]

I prefer to keep things nice and simple...
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/Big%20Weird%20Jeep/Redneck_DeerStand.jpg
:lol:

[VideoJunkie]

...that's just so ... wrong... just wrong.


One word....T-I-M-B-E-R!!!

[Gummerfan]

I suppose it COULD stand some improvements...

[mattifikation]

There's probably something like that around here...

*sigh*

I hate here.

[KrimsonKing]

HI EVERYBODY!
This is my first post so please feel free to set me straight if I need straightening (but something tells me you didn’t need my invitation to do that) Now to the topic at hand.

In the initial stages of the outbreak I would get my shit together double quick and head into the woods. I wouldn’t just stay and live off the zombie infested land, although I could because they would be slow and loud in that environment. I could sleep in a hammock stretched two branches high in a tree, and to the best of my knowledge zombies can’t climb trees.
I would take advantage of the chaos in the cities and move through the woods to a marina or some other dock and get me a boat. To the best of my knowledge the undead cant swims. If I didn’t have a map of the water ways I’d just let the current take me. Almost all water ways eventually flow into the ocean. From there I would head for a sea port and nab me one of those giant container ships. I mean think about it, really, literally hungered of tons of supplies all in one perfect place. The ship has cranes to move the containers into an impenetrable wall,sinc the docks are surrounded by deep water on three sids you coul wall of the fourth side and be perfectly safe from Zoms wall of all four and be safe from people too. the only way a Zom could even get on the boat would be through use of the gangways which are easily removable, the Deck is like 20 stories above sea level. There is also lots of space to grow crops. I’ve never operated a multi ton vehicle before I’m sure could find a manual on board and figure it out given enough time (which I will have the luxury of). Then I could go from sea port to sea port, constructing removable fortresses while docked and changing out empty containers for full ones.
I appreciate criticism I both positive and negative forms.
Thanks for reading


:drinking:

[VideoJunkie]

There's probably something like that around here...

*sigh*

I hate here.

Probably one of the funniest posts I've seen on this forum! It's subtle, yet really works. By the way, you owe me $65 for a new wireless keyboard. You just made me laugh so hard my cereal came out of my nose. Damn the Captain and his Crunch Berries!!! This stuff is everywhere!

[EvilWeasel35]

Why do you want to know where I intend to set up?
I am not giving my plans away.
Lets just say there is food for years and heavy equipment a plenty.

I'm going to move to the US and stalk Bob until he lets me stay in his hideout! :lol:

Failing that I'd probably go to the jewellery factory I used to work in with top-grade security, high metal fences and a huge supermarket backing on to it. I could climb the fences but zack couldn't. I'd also look into using sewers to get around below ground.

[Bob]

EvilWeasel35

You don't have to stalk us.:greet:
You are welcome to join us.:)
We can always use another right minded individual.:loon:
I will personally teach you to shoot and outfit you with top notch gear.:guns:

You should start getting ready, start saying Y'all a lot we will make you a honorary Southerner. I will fix you a big ol' plate of shrimp and grits when you get here. (drink enough Wild Turkey Bourbon and anything tastes good)

[EvilWeasel35]

Howdy y'all :) Don't tempt me, I'd love to live in the US! (((Starts packing her bags))):evil:

[Bob]

The US is still a good place to live at least this week.

I will even take you to my favorite BBQ place.
Here in the South BBQ means pork cooked over a hickory coals basted with one of three sauces. I like all the sauces but my favorite is the "yellow". It is a mustard based tangy sauce. I also like the red especially a spicy variety made locally.

Then we can go to the shooting range, we have indoor and outdoor.
When I was growing up I could shoot in the back yard but the area grew up around me.

[EvilWeasel35]

That sounds delicious! I'm such a carnivore for ribs! Won't the smell of all that succulent meat BBQ-ing draw all the zombies to your secret lair though? Reminds me of NOTLD when the red necks were having a beer party and shooting the zombies coming through the woods! Ahhh, ribs in one hand... beer in the other... dammit, I need another hand to hold my gun!
:drinking: :shotg: ;o)

[homelitexl]

well i'll bring the entertainment my Banjo. yes i can play banjo.

[Zombreach]

I know malls are not good places to hold up, but after watching DOTD many times, I can't help but think of how fun it would be. Endless shopping, every store walking distance, lots of space that is zombie free to roam, coffee shops, restaurants ..... SIGH! Just like in a dream!

Why, oh why, can't zombies be real?! :x :lol:

[mattifikation]

I don't think you'd have any of that. You'd just have zombies. And tons of people.

[homelitexl]

yeah and no safe places to play my banjo.

[KrimsonKing]

Sorry if my last post was longwinded or off topic, I’m kind of new to this.

[KrimsonKing]

If I could not get a cargo ship then I would get the biggest boat I could find, possibly a fishing vessel and head for either an oil rig close to shore or an island far out at sea. If I went for the island I would use a sail boat. With an oil rig it would be almost impossible for pirates to raid you because you are so high up and you could set the water beneath you on fire with the oil. Lots of space for crops but you would have to import the soil. Since zombies lack the ability to swim and walk on the floor an island in the middle of the ocean would be impervious to zombies because the pressure on the ocean floor is so great the force would liquefy your skeleton. The bigger the island the better, the more cliffs, rocky shores and coral reefs the better.
You could never run out of food and water thanks to solar/steam stills and the bounty of the sea.

[RIP]

I would hold up in a strip club with all the naked women and get drunk as hell and bang every chick I could before I die lol.:evil::drinking:

[homelitexl]

rip i like your style man, that sounds fun as hell forgot the hot wings and bourbon though.

[Bob]

Be careful or Darkness will break out the trank gun.

[homelitexl]

anyway if like the oil rig idea.

[Bob]

We don't have any oil rigs near here and I bet they suck big time in a hurricane. If your boat breaks free during a storm how would you get to shore for more supplies?

[KrimsonKing]

We don't have any oil rigs near here and I bet they suck big time in a hurricane. If your boat breaks free during a storm how would you get to shore for more supplies?
A heavy duty chain and padlock should prevent any run aways. Also you could raise and lower boats into and out of the water with the canes on the rig.
If you take advantage of the open deck space and do a little farming with imported soil and water from solar/steam stills you shouldn’t have to go to shore for quite some time.

[KrimsonKing]

sorry about the glitch folks

[Darkness]

sorry about the glitch folks

"No problem. I took care of it for you." :)


"Next time just check out this thread....."

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14775


".....or ask, if you need help. That's what we are here for." ;-)



"And now back to the schedualed conversation." :lol:

[Bob]

A chain would not save a boat moored to an oil rig, it would sink.

[homelitexl]

then just use a dingy there small useful and can be hauled up on deck.

[Bob]

I don't know but wouldn't a dingy be a bit small to go all the way out to an Oil Rig? I mean they are pretty far off shore aren't they?

[homelitexl]

no maybe a mile.

[Ash in Housewares]

there's a 7/11 about 200ft from my apartment, also, I've thought of barricading into the campus if I find other survivors.

my campus is in multiple floors, something like this:

FLOOR3: kitchen, teacher's lounge, bathrooms, showers, teachers locker rooms
FLOOR2: multiple class rooms, bathrooms, janitor's closet, school canteen, kitchen
FLOOR1: lobby, janitor's closet, bathrooms, students showers, students locker room, hallways

barricading the doors wouldn't be too hard, there's alot of vending machines, benches, chairs, tables etc.

the 7/11 I mentioned is about 750ft from the campus, and my apartment is around 500 ft or so from there.

[Bob]

This is a dingy, are you thinking about something larger?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1861/dingy2ir4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Ironzey]

I'm heading for the Rockies.

Tough terrain for zombies to travel. Unfortunately it's cold and I hate the cold but I hate being dead more. I'd try to surround myself with as much rough terrain as I could.

[mattifikation]

Cold weather means it's easier to wear thick, heavy clothing.

[DarthJoe8]

And COLDER means that zack will freeze....could you imagine what you could do in a few months with Zack frozen? :think:

I hope ZPAW occurs like now or at least in some other winter.:lol:

:drinking:

[homelitexl]

well iw ould head for nevada or new mexico the heat will make them rot fast miles of flat land see fore ever, hardly any people should i go on.

[Kemper]

I'm hanging out at my house...no reason to leave...Everyone goes...I got the run of the neighborhood.

[mattifikation]

They'd rot faster in a tropical climate than in a dry desert.

[Ironzey]

I've often wondered about the desert. To me it would seem the dry hot air might preserve the Zs making them last longer.

Of course if were talking about "fast 28 days I'm infected I can die Zs" then the desert would be good. Those would expire in no time in the desert.

The visibility of the desert or plains would be a really good advantage however, the only thing that I don't like would be the desolation. If there is nowhere for them to hide then there is nowhere for you to hide.

If I were rich (really rich) I prepare a place out in the desert for an extended stay. With preparation the desert/plains would be IMO an ideal choice.

[homelitexl]

ironzey we should build a underground shelter out there and invite bob rip and darkness, and all the cool people to stay at the shelter.

[Darkness]

ironzey we should build a underground shelter out there and invite bob rip and darkness, and all the cool people to stay at the shelter.

"Thank you for the invite, but you can have the desert. Like I said before, I'm headed for the frozen tundra, the colder the better." :lol:

[KrimsonKing]

This is a dingy, are you thinking about something larger?

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1861/dingy2ir4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

You wouldn’t have to rely on such a small craft, the cranes on oil platforms can move shipping containers so could be using a big speed boat or something.

http://www.komar.org/faq/zodiac-boats/super-zodiac.jpg

[Gummerfan]

These folks get the picture:
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/08/02/silo.sweet.silo/

[homelitexl]

are you sure darkness i mean i will be the size of a large missile silo, anyway won't miss it the junk chainsaws, beercans and novas out front should be a giveaway.

[mattifikation]

The though occured to me earlier today... if you were stuck in the city, a pawn shop might be a good place to hole up...

[Darkness]

"Interesting thought indeed." :think:

[Bob]

mattifikation

Pawn shops vary from area to area.
Around here the big ones have barred windows of thick glass, limited access, guns, ammo, knives, bows, arrows, tools, scuba, computers, generators, and much much more...

[eviled]

if you are in the city i would say either a Bodega( corner store) ( roll down gates and single entrance - usually well hidden or limited access exit)

maybe a storage facility or older building like a brownstone-

once in the rural areas the more hilly or mountainous the better- zombies even if they are the speed zombies on crack that are in 28 days or the remake DOTD

zombies dont seem to climb well - so **** it ill take a verticle race over a horizontal one anyday with a zombie.

[sorrow]

in a gun shop, supermarket or a hardware store o.o

[tytanos14]

I Would go straight to my Friends And get him and his weapons then back to my place where we would Barricade the Windows and Doors then Make it so they couldnt get up the Stairs if they got past are first level of Security and We would probably end up going to the roof and Sniping Z's Tell There werent alot left then work on Barricading A city and Finding SUrvivors

[tytanos14]

Its just you and your friend What would your plans be and You Start out in a Store when the Zombie Outbreak Starts on the other side of the store

[Krazymouse]

If this has already been mentioned in the 28 pages in this thread, i'm sorry

I would go to my jail. It is a 5 story building with no way to enter except the front entrance. It is surrounded by a fence and the windows are no bigger than a book. The zombies couldn't come in and if we barricaded the front door, i'd be invincible. Until my food ran out.

[Creeping Death]

Mall, or my house.
Simple. :?

[Bob]

Creeping Death

Mall?
Expound on why.

[Comander Shaw]

Creeping Death

Mall?
Expound on why.

I'd be with him on that one.
He picks a mall because it has supplies, and the ability to access a roof that you can lock, and many other reasons.:drinking:

[Dave Of The Dead]

Hardware store, no doubt.

[mattifikation]

Liquor store or head shop. You won't last long... but you probably won't be too upset about it. :-)

What about a lighthouse? I'm not too sure about lighthouse facts, but I would imagine that they have the following benefits:

1. Being built to withstand powerful storms. A hurricane would be a bad time for the lighthouse to be blown away.

2. Be self-sufficient. Can't have a power outage leaving the shoreline dark.

3. Be easily defensible. In addition to a large tower with a big light and a great view, they tend to be located near cliffs - zombies could only approach from a few directions.

4. Have plenty of room for supplies. You could live in the house part, and store supplies in the tower.

[Bob]

If memory serves we just spent 20+ pages deciding malls were bad.

[Darkness]

What about a lighthouse? I'm not too sure about lighthouse facts, but I would imagine that they have the following benefits:

1. Being built to withstand powerful storms. A hurricane would be a bad time for the lighthouse to be blown away.

2. Be self-sufficient. Can't have a power outage leaving the shoreline dark.

3. Be easily defensible. In addition to a large tower with a big light and a great view, they tend to be located near cliffs - zombies could only approach from a few directions.

4. Have plenty of room for supplies. You could live in the house part, and store supplies in the tower.
"Plus what few windows they have are usually very small, and spaced far apart."

[homelitexl]

Hardware store, no doubt.

ill be there with you but hey why not home depot.

[Jephofkillitkillit]

Costco...or a Walmart that sells guns...

[Comander Shaw]

Costco...or a Walmart that sells guns...

Don't all Wal-Marts sell guns?

[Bob]

Nope
There are many Wal Marts that don't sell guns.
There are even some that don't sell ammunition.

[Dave Of The Dead]

ill be there with you but hey why not home depot.

I'm not going to lie, every time I go to Lowes or Home Depot, I scout out every square inch of that place for fortification ideas. I personally like Lowes better.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I have 2 Wal-Marts, both 20 minutes away from where I live. One sells ammo and only .50 Cal Muzzle Loaders. The other Sells ammo but is also next door to 3 gun shops.

[mattifikation]

I have 2 Wal-Marts.

That's just sad.

[homelitexl]

still going to home depot it where i buy all my saws and i still gonna stay loyal.

[Comander Shaw]

The mall i go to has a store with AKs and Chicago Typewriters.
Don't remember the stores name though.:doh:

[mattifikation]

There's one in the mall here called Dunham's Sports. They carry AK's, AR's, Tommyguns, FNS2000's, and pretty much every other magazine fed semi-auto pretend assault rifle out there.

Only problem is, ever since the Head Changling got elected they're out of stock on just about everything. They have a nice, nice looking G3 that's been on the shelf for awhile though... :think:

[Bob]

mattifikation

How long till the "head changeling" starts making my mortgage payment and they stop charging for gasoline?

[mattifikation]

I don't know, but this forum is for more realistic scenarios such as zombie outbreaks. :-p

[Zombreach]

Where I live, the Lowe's does not sell any snacks--only drinks. Therefore...not going to Lowes. Home Depot at least has candy bars to snack on.

See... it's all about food. :x Man...I'm so sad!!!:lol:

[Comander Shaw]

There's one in the mall here called Dunham's Sports. They carry AK's, AR's, Tommyguns, FNS2000's, and pretty much every other magazine fed semi-auto pretend assault rifle out there.

Only problem is, ever since the Head Changling got elected they're out of stock on just about everything. They have a nice, nice looking G3 that's been on the shelf for awhile though... :think:

Yea thats it.:doh:
I just haven't been there in a while.

[mrlaughingman]

the game crazy i used to work at has 2 gates for the doors and bars on the windows i think ill steall all the ammo i need and food and hold my self up there

[Creeping Death]

Yea thats it.:doh:
I just haven't been there in a while.

They also sell M-16's there, and loads of rifles. :doh:

[Comander Shaw]

They also sell M-16's there, and loads of rifles. :doh:

Damn me and you are going there on Z-day!:machgun2::guns::shotg::axe::saw::rock:

[mrlaughingman]

never go to walmart , cosco, the mall , police station, or hospitals for one simple reason when people freak they gather and when they gather the panic spreads and things break down.

[Comander Shaw]

I'm not going to the mall just Duhnams and locking down.

[Krazymouse]

Go to a Skyscraper and destroy the stairs/elevator

[Comander Shaw]

Go to a Skyscraper and destroy the stairs/elevator

Sounds fool proof. Except the part where you have to GO GET FOOD!:drool:

[mrlaughingman]

Sounds fool proof. Except the part where you have to GO GET FOOD!:drool:

or if your strong hold catches fire

[Comander Shaw]

or if your strong hold catches fire

Either way it's screwed over.:cry:

[mrlaughingman]

yes but if ur in a sky scrapper its harder to escape if u knock out all stairwells if ur on a ground level building its easier

[Comander Shaw]

yes but if ur in a sky scrapper its harder to escape if u knock out all stairwells if ur on a ground level building its easier

Yes that is true. But still...... Screwed:cry:

[zmbvan]

I still think this is the best option...

I would want to stay out in the country in a farm house. Build a wall around the farm house using old fences or haystacks. Then you set up a sniping position on top of the house to spot the few zombies that would be approaching the farm. Being out in the country you could see for miles in every direction. You would be able to farm on the land during the summers and it would be virtually impossible to get surrounded out in a field. This would be my first choice.

[mrlaughingman]

ok lets just all agree on one thing wen the outbreak happens we all meet at the playboy mansion lol

[Comander Shaw]

I still think this is the best option...

I would want to stay out in the country in a farm house. Build a wall around the farm house using old fences or haystacks. Then you set up a sniping position on top of the house to spot the few zombies that would be approaching the farm. Being out in the country you could see for miles in every direction. You would be able to farm on the land during the summers and it would be virtually impossible to get surrounded out in a field. This would be my first choice.

Except if they f'ing swarm the house.:drool:

[Comander Shaw]

ok lets just all agree on one thing wen the outbreak happens we all meet at the playboy mansion lol

Sounds good hope to see you there!:lol:

[mrlaughingman]

:machgun2::shotg::guns::guns::shotg::zom2::zom1: :zom2::zom1::zom3:or commander shaws moms house lol

[zmbvan]

Except if they f'ing swarm the house.:drool:

How? There would be fences surrounding the entire house. Plus, it would be out in the country. Most of the zombies will stay in or near large cities. Even if a swarm did happen to make its way out in the country and happened to stumble upon the farm house. We would see them miles away before there would be any danger involved.

[Comander Shaw]

How? There would be fences surrounding the entire house. Plus, it would be out in the country. Most of the zombies will stay in or near large cities. Even if a swarm did happen to make its way out in the country and happened to stumble upon the farm house. We would see them miles away before there would be any danger involved.

True unless you plated a corn feild and were oblivious to them.

[Comander Shaw]

:machgun2::shotg::guns::guns::shotg::zom2::zom1: :zom2::zom1::zom3:or commander shaws moms house lol

Nah you go there your definately screwed.

[zmbvan]

True unless you plated a corn feild and were oblivious to them.

Yeah if I was planting corn for a whole city. My corn field wouldn't even take up an acre. I would only have to have a garden to sustain life for a handful of people at most. Hell, there could even be cows, pigs and chickens on the farm. Plus, we have a aquifer underneath this state that could provide fresh water forever.

[Comander Shaw]

Yeah if I was planting corn for a whole city. My corn field wouldn't even take up an acre. I would only have to have a garden to sustain life for a handful of people at most. Hell, there could even be cows, pigs and chickens on the farm. Plus, we have a aquifer underneath this state that could provide fresh water forever.

Hmmmm..... I couldn't live like that.

[Krazymouse]

So you would eat corn for the rest of your life????!?!?!?

[Comander Shaw]

So you would eat corn for the rest of your life????!?!?!?

No raid food stores.:evil:

[mattifikation]

What do you do in 3 years when the food in those stores has gone bad?

[Ironzey]

What's your house of the living going to be like? Where will it be, feel free to be as specific as you are feel comfortable with. Why did you choose your location? What are some of the defence features?

I live in a 2 story house on the edge of a suburb. Destroying the staricase would be a loud and long proscess but it would be worth it (I'm sure homeowners insurance would cover repair, right). From the second floor I could get access to the garage from the floor in my son's and Daughters rooms, that could give us an escape route to my wife car.

The house is near (< 2 mi) some major shopping (Super Target and Lowes), depending on the severity of the outbreak I would consider going to these places to restock.

We don't have a generator or any other type of backup power so that would kind of suck when the power goes out.

I choose this location because I know it well, it would be nice if it were less populated but it could be a lot worse.

On a side not Google Street Views is in my area!

[Creeping Death]

I live in a small town, so therefore less zombies.

My house....eh....okay I guess. Not a lot of windows within reach of zombie hands. We've got a fence outback to prevent some of the zeds from getting in that way.
Upstairs, I've got 2 bedrooms, one regular room, and 3 attics.
My room upstairs, provides excellent sniping positions.
And I could take all food upstairs to post up.

[Ironzey]

Oh, yeah as of the time of writing this we have about 2 weeks worth of food if we ration and the weather stays cool/cold.

If I were rich (very rich) I'd get one of these. (http://missilebases.com/properties/VisionAF.htm)

[john154]

Consider an apartment building. 50-100 indivigually contained heavy doored and deadlocked units on several floors in one structure. They have large capacity water storage/heater and hundreds of people cars, possesions and food. A lot of apartments have a backup generator or furnace in the basement.

Given the number of residents who'll flee or get killed in the first three days your gonna have a lot of resources and manpower in this building. You may even have a nutjob like me in your building who's already fought in a real war and has enough guns to outfit most of the adult males in the building. Establish a strata/council/whatever of the survivors, build relationships(read: figure how useful everyone is) and organize. Evacuate & secure the lower floor. Have a plan for use, defense and emergenry disabling of the stairs & elevators. Post Observations posts on the roof and security/barricades in the lobby/carport/other exits. If possible set up a expeditionary team to go out and raid the local supermarket/water depot/hardware store/liquorstore/put your priority here. Now you've got youself a little castle. Your safe from the dead. Now wait for the people problems to start...

[Creeping Death]

Oh, yeah as of the time of writing this we have about 2 weeks worth of food if we ration and the weather stays cool/cold.

If I were rich (very rich) I'd get one of these. (http://missilebases.com/properties/VisionAF.htm)

Good luck with that.
But if you do get one, Im coming over! :lol:
You could use another survivor at your back. Plus the place is too cool to keep all to yourself! :)

[Kokothewise]

What are peoples ideas with holing up in an apartment? I was strictly against the idea, but having lived in one for almost a year now, I can't see it being so bad. Being on the third floor, if I just got a rope ladder, I could easily get down via the balcony. And with only one door into the place, it would be easy to blockade.

Now yes, apartments mean urban areas with lots of zombies.....but I think it beats trying to bug out to the boonies, no?

[john154]

What are peoples ideas with holing up in an apartment?

Take a look two posts up.

This notion of buying and living in decommisioned missile silos is pretty awsome. I youtubed it and came up vith video tours of everything from mansions to highschools to a giant climbing wall built inside of old missile silos. Read a zombie story once where the protagonists shacked up in a missile silo for the last half of the book. Pretty solid idea but like the dude above a few posts first mentioned not readily available.

[Creeping Death]

ok lets just all agree on one thing wen the outbreak happens we all meet at the playboy mansion lol

Dibs if some of the chicks are still there! :evil:

[Bob]

Creeping Death

I have only one word regarding that last post.

Grotto

[kiltedninja]

My ideal place of refuge would have to be somewhere that meets all of these requirements.

Defensible(Against zombies and bandits.)

Accessible by the living(Drop down rope ladder, something that had to be released by inner forces)

Supplies (food, water, ammunition, cleaning ezuipment.)

view of surroundings(Like to see what's coming.)

Two stories or more

So basically, something with no windows on the first floor, or something that can cover them completely, with plenty of space for gear, a second story window or something of that sort, and a 360 degree view.

[Birdman44]

My ideal place of refuge would have to be somewhere that meets all of these requirements.

Defensible(Against zombies and bandits.)

Accessible by the living(Drop down rope ladder, something that had to be released by inner forces)

Supplies (food, water, ammunition, cleaning ezuipment.)

view of surroundings(Like to see what's coming.)

Two stories or more

So basically, something with no windows on the first floor, or something that can cover them completely, with plenty of space for gear, a second story window or something of that sort, and a 360 degree view.


I got it!!! A tree fort :lol: jk though...

[Darkness]

"I Think I Found My Perfect Hideout!"

"First off, it's a two story Outdoors Sporting Goods Shop, so its fill with weapons, hunting and camping gear, road and camping food, and lots of warm and protective clothing."

"But that's not what makes it perfect."

"It's a two story building with thick cement walls. Only three doors and just one of them is a main entrance. NO WINDOWS, no weak walls and a small roof access door. It has a huge generator for back up power. It's not in the middle of town, so it doesn't get a lot of people shopping there at one time."

"It's huge, well stocked, and already a small fortress in it's own rights. Perfect, wouldn't you say?" :)

[Birdman44]

Sounds pretty perfect, now you just have to worry about making friends with the other gun nuts who go there during an outbreak. That probably wont be too hard though and plus if you do you'll have some extra firepower on your side with some probably pretty good gunmen. I'm still looking for my perfect spot around town. I think i found one, but im still not sure about it.

[Darkness]

Sounds pretty perfect, now you just have to worry about making friends with the other gun nuts who go there during an outbreak. That probably wont be too hard though and plus if you do you'll have some extra firepower on your side with some probably pretty good gunmen. I'm still looking for my perfect spot around town. I think i found one, but im still not sure about it.

"Already done that. They all want to teach me how to hunt and stuff too. They are real cool people." :)

[Redfields]

I would choose A house, not mine, but one that I would have broken into. My house has too many windows...

[Birdman44]

"Already done that. They all want to teach me how to hunt and stuff too. They are real cool people." :)

Then your set :) Im going to have a difficult time here in Jersey i think. Its the most dense state (roughly 1,133 people/sq.mile) :doh: I'll just have to be extra careful in picking a spot i guess.

[dudeskis]

A football stadium.

-all entrances are gated
-grass to grow crops on
-kitchens and food stores
-fresh air and places to exercise
-luxury boxes to sleep in
-elevated position to snipe from
-helicopters can land on the field

Other good options are an Airport, Prison, or Port. Being next to water could be a major advantage.

[joerrrrrr]

A football stadium.

-all entrances are gated
-grass to grow crops on
-kitchens and food stores
-fresh air and places to exercise
-luxury boxes to sleep in
-elevated position to snipe from
-helicopters can land on the field

Other good options are an Airport, Prison, or Port. Being next to water could be a major advantage.

you do realize that the grass at a foot ball stadium is not brass but plastic turf

[mattifikation]

Most stadiums actually use grass.

[kiltedninja]

I like the tree house idea, except for when living people look up, to see me clad in kilt. I'm totally going to rock my Utilikilt when the fan meets the :poo:.

[Scud]

a gun store. think about it for a sec:

1. Pre-reinforced windows and doors. go into a gun store, youll see what im talking about.

2. Lots of anti zed impliments (guns) DUH

3. Other z-day survivors would gather here.

4. often there will be survival/ emergency gear here as well

And if all else fails, aim the biggest gun they have at the door and go out in a blaze of glory!

sure, there might be downfalls, like other survivors wanting to steal your shiz, but you got the guns, right?

[Birdman44]

There may be too many downfalls to staying in a gun store. I think that if you stayed in a place near the gun store you may be better off. That way if any armed "looters" go into it you will be out of the line of fire. Not to mention that a short distance from it means you can transport all of the needed firearms and ammo to your less noticed position.

[kiltedninja]

I'd hold up in my house. I'm close to everything, even a Home Depot, which means that I could use their plywood, then on my way home, I could visit the Sportsman's Warehouse, take what I need, and then keep on back to the house, which is all of a block away. I make a trip of all of 6 blocks total.

[Birdman44]

I agree, my house is the best place for me to hold, until of course im forced out or decide that there is a better place. I'm a little ways from the stores which is good for when the people start looting since I'll be out of their way, but I'm on a busy road that runs through the whole state so I'll have to hoof it when looking for supplies in the beginning I believe. Which isn't anything I haven't done before.

[TinnySim]

I would research and figure out where the nearest Bunker is, and even in north america, they have many cold war bunkers, just like outside of ottawa has a massive self sufficient bunker designed to withstand a nuclear strike. so i would make my way to that eventually.

[Lowrie Productions]

I would head for the hills.

Scotland has one of THE most awesome moutain ranges in the world and we have been living there for thousands of years (one of the oldest countries...so i've read....do I seem proud lol) so there is one reason why I cant.

but then again millions of Scots would do the same thing, got to find a glen (a valley) to myself.

Dan

[bleahh]

It could be a lighthouse nearby or we could hole up in the docks. we could stay inside one of the vessels and just sail away to an island

[JimiVengeance]

i would def stay home. try to get my friends there too. plenty of food and several guns with plenty of ammo at my place. plus i live in the country with hardly any neighbors :drinking:

[homelitexl]

home depot nobody will go there you have metal fencing a delivery truck and plenty of barricade supplies and weapons and theres usually a wal mart nearby for food.

[Dave Of The Dead]

home depot nobody will go there you have metal fencing a delivery truck and plenty of barricade supplies and weapons and theres usually a wal mart nearby for food.

Why not a Sam's Club or BJ's? There's plenty of EVERYTHING there. Who doesn't need a 36-pack of assorted crowbars?

[Bob]

BJ's????
Wazzat?

[Birdman44]

BJ's is just a foodstore kinda like acme or shoprite.

[Bob]

Must be a regional store...

[Dan403]

This is where I will be:

http://www.lethbridge.ca/home/Enjoying+Lethbridge/Picture+Gallery/Water+tower+large+view.htm

[Betterdayz]

I say I would either hold up at my house. This is due to me living in the country a good ways. If I could get a group of friends together we could go to the local mall and hold up there.

[homelitexl]

BJ's????
Wazzat?

Why not a Sam's Club or BJ's? There's plenty of EVERYTHING there. Who doesn't need a 36-pack of assorted crowbars?

still think its not a bad idea but also what is a bj store sounds like an adult novelty store.

[Bob]

Hey Homelite
I guess I am not the only one that thought that...

[homelitexl]

great minds think alike bob and thats one type of store nobody should hold lup in how would you hold them off.:lol::lol::lol:

[Engel Des Todes]

I'd definitely hold myself up in a Costco/Sam's Club/etc. due to the fact that there are limited entrances, literally feet thick walls, and an almost entire couple years worth of canned goods plus weeks of perishables. The only problem would be keeping out other people, and what my group decided to do with intruders, other survivors or raiders.

When the zombie apocalypse comes, will strangers be a beacon of hope or a threatening distraction from one's own survival? My instincts say, favor the strong, destroy the weak!:evil:

[homelitexl]

thats why home depot is perfect.

[ZombieGore]

I know I would stay far away from malls because every yahoo whos seen dawn of the dead will be there. No where other people are going such as police stations, millitary outpost, etc... I have more confidence destroying zombies than I do being around paniced humans.

[kiltedninja]

I could probably also go to the local Home Depot, board up the entrances, the lumber yard has it's own metal gates, but I'd probably reinforce them, get all the food I could from the Fred Meyer's down the street first, some pots and pans, spices etc. and just live in the Home Depot and wait for the idiots at the mall to attract all the zombies on this side of town before I walk out.

[homelitexl]

thats my point except we have a wal mart next door to our home depot.