Should marijuana be legalized?

[UNDEAD FRED]

Should marijuana be legalized? I think it is no worse than alcohol. Others say it might lead to harder drugs, but its my expierence that alcohol does to, its worse in my opinion. Im sure most of us have seen how ugly people can get when they are drunk. At least you can laugh at stoners. I think it should be legalized for medicle, and recreational purposes.

[as_i_lay_dying]

It is legal for medical use.

[UNDEAD FRED]

It is legal for medical use.

Not in every state. Its suppose to be in California, but most doctors will not give you a perscription.

[as_i_lay_dying]

Oh really? I didn't know that I thought so long as it can be used medically its legal, in every state. Oh well, I don't care if its legalized or not. I don't smoke it, so it doesn't effect me.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

ugh, this is going to be such a hotly contested issue, I smell a flame war a brewin.

that being said, I personaly think No , it should not be legalized for recreational purposes, medical sure IF its truely legit and not just some stoner trying to get some weed.

now I realize in this day and age everyone and thier nieghbor smokes pot, and all of the pro pot folks out there can list a 101 good reasons as to why it should be legalized , and compare it to alcohol and all of that other jazz, but at the end of the day I say keep it illegal even if it is the unpopular answer, and honestly I can see your point, and over the past few years I have considered maybe even agreeing that it should be made legal, but when it comes soup to nuts im on the keep it illegal side of the discusion.

I am not going to go into why I think it should remain illegal, I will just say I have felt very strongly for quite a while that it should remain illegal.

on the other hand, I do feel that it may quite posibly become legal in the next 10 - 15 years, I mean, for the most part right now its culturaly acceptable to smoke pot, so legalizing it cant be too far behind.

[Boozbie]

It should be legalized for use in your own home. Its not nearly as dangerous as the government says it is or alcohol. Oh well it will have to happen state by state if you want it which is how things should happen. Let each individual state decide!

Speaking of which up here in Alaska its quasi-legal you can possess 4 ounces or 4 plants in your home and its not a crime. I think its 27 plants is a misdemeanor and with no matter how many plants the first time you get caught all charges are suspended and your told not to do it again, then if you get caught again you get charged.

Pot is a part of the culture, people are pretty proud of how good Alaskan buds are, there is a strain named after where i live! I don't smoke anymore but its looked upon pretty leniently, a lot kids parents smoke and a lot younger people do to. Its just a pretty big social thing and rather common.

[zombiekilling101]

No.

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[Victor Clark]

There are 3 things in politics that I'm very supportive of: gay marriages, the right to have guns, and the legalization of marijuana. A lot of people say stupid things about pot on TV like "it makes you a terrorist" or "it kills your brain" or "you could kill someone while high", but the bottom line is that weed is not only a safe drug, but is in fact safer than legal alcohol! Here are the facts:

1.There has NEVER been a recorded death from marijuana, while alcohol kills hundreds of teens every night when driving intoxicated.

2.Marijuana has been proven to reduce the size of tumors and treat altzeimers. Can alcohol or tobacco do that?

3.The Bible says that all of Gods plants are meant to be enjoyed (I know it's not a good point, but you know how often that book is used in politics these days).

4.And you're telling me that weed is illegal because it's unsafe, but drive-through liquor stores are all right?!?!? Give me a freakin break!


That's all I'm going to say, and I hope I enlightened some others here in this thread.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

1.There has NEVER been a recorded death from marijuana, while alcohol kills hundreds of teens every night when driving intoxicated.

im sorry but this argument is hard to swallow , your telling me no one who has been stoned ever crashed a car and hurt someone? I dont buy it, weed mellows you out, and it slows your reaction time just like alcohol does maybe not as severely but it does do it.

I just can not believe there has not been 1 case of someone who was high getting in a car wreck and hurting someone, it may be hard to "prove" but that doesnt mean it isnt so.

Infact, when I used to be on the fire dept I saw a wreck where someone hit a light pole and were laying unconcious with a bowl laying on the floor which he was clearly smoking when he hit the pole, now he didnt die, and wasnt that badly hurt - only a few stiches, but, weed definatly caused that wreck.

if I rob a bank, and they cant prove I did it, does that change the fact I did it or have the money from doing it?

[UNDEAD FRED]

I am sure that driving under the influence of marijuana has caused many of accidents, and deaths, but its nothing compared to drinking and driving. Im sure that most law enforcement officers would rather deal with someone who is high, instead of some loud mouth drunk, who wants to fight them. I see it a lot of times. If someone can purchase alcohol, I think I should be able to walk into a smoke shop, and have a choice of what kind of bud I would like to buy.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I am sure that driving under the influence of marijuana has caused many of accidents, and deaths, but its nothing compared to drinking and driving. Im sure that most law enforcement officers would rather deal with someone who is high, instead of some loud mouth drunk, who wants to fight them. I see it a lot of times. If someone can purchase alcohol, I think I should be able to walk into a smoke shop, and have a choice of what kind of bud I would like to buy.

I agree with you about FAR more drunks causing wrecks then high people, and im not sure aobut which cops would rather deal with but im sure jack can enlighten us :lol:

as I said in my post, im pretty close to being on the fence with this whole thing, I could see my self being for legal weed given the right circumstances and argument, its very close as it is, but as for being able to walk into a liqour store vs walking into a smoke shop and buying the kind of bud you want...

IMO this is where this debate crosses paths with the whole ciggarete debate, now Im sure a pot plant is endlessly more pure then a garbage filled ciggarete, but with goverments all over trying to restrict where , when, how people can smoke, raising the prices and taxes trying to get people to quit smoking, I think its kind of hard to believe they would legalize something else you can smoke , I relaize I said i can see it being legalized in the near future , but part of that would have to be states easing up on thier current smoking laws - which I can only see getting more restrictive.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Im grew up in Hawaii, everyone grew it. Just as long as your not selling it to the tourist the police kind of looked the other way. Its so easy to grow, like a weed. The biggest problem is that someone will snatch your crops. I never been much of a drinker. But theres an old saying Instant asshole, just add alcohol.

[zombiekilling101]

lol pots a safe drug. ok.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Well, nothing is safe if your driving that will impair you. even persciption drugs. If I smoke I do it at home. I wont do it in the public eye, except at concerts, or at least out of public view.

[jackskellington]

I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. The taxes on it could pull the national debt to an all time low, and all the man hours that are wasted on it in law enforcement could be used to do something more useful. I smoked ALOT of dope growing up and while in the service, and I don't see a thing wrong with it. The DUI laws already cover the impairment part of it, so there's really nothing that would need to be done in that arena.

[devourthesun]

I say legalize it, It's really not as bad as the "Anti-Drug" crusaders make out to be, and to be honest, the anti-pot commercials are so f-cking ridiculous with their "Scare Tactics" that its no wonder teenagers are giving it a shot for themselves.

Now, If its legal, make it like Cigarettes, you have to be 18 (or whatever the legal age is in your state) to purchase it, and if you get caught with it under age, you get a fine or something.

[Boozbie]

If it was decriminalized it would definetly take some pressure off of the prison system.

Now if in theory the only way to get weed would be in a smoke shop and you had to be 21 (im guessing like alcohol) it would by far make it harder for youngsters to get. Growing up it was easier to get your hands on a bag or other drugs than liqour at times. You had to get someone to buy it for you and all that fun jazz.

Other countries with legal marijuana seem to be doing all right.

[Zombie_215]

Why bother to make it legal? People would get bored and quit using if it was made legal. :doh: Kind of like underage drinking, it is so cool to drink illegally, but when you are the legal age all of the fun is gone... :drool:

[ZombieFreeWorld]

Cannabis, also known as marijuana, ganja , or as hashish, is a psychoactive product of the plant Cannabis sativa. The herbal form of the drug consists of dried mature flowers and subtending leaves of pistillate ("female") plants. The resinous form, known as hashish, consists primarily of glandular trichomes collected from the same plant material.

The major biologically active chemical compound in cannabis is Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), commonly referred to as THC.

The funny thing is weed is actually really healthy for you. Unless you buy some ghetto philly swag weed most of the stuff you smoke is completely natural. THC is actually a metabolism booster. You can loose weight smoking weed. Just putting it out there.

the sad thing is the government will legalize marijuana they make to much money it being illegal. The whole world is run by drugs and the government is run by drugs too. look at a lot of third world countries. their main export is drugs. Cuban-Coke,Afghanistan-Weed/Opium, i can keep going on. The american government pretends to stop these drugs but coming in. But in reality they let it come in by sparking deals with these Third world countries. For example, did you know more then 2,000 tons of coke come into Newark port each year! So your telling me that our government doesn't know about it? come on now they are not stupid. What they do is go to these drugs lords from these third world countries and spark a deal. They say hey you can ship your drug into our country but we want a cut. Let's say a million every ton you ship in. Most big time drug lords ship tons and tons throughout the country each year. The drug lords accept due to the fact that now they have a safe way to ship it into the country. The country saves face by doing this. The government says to the drug lords hey listen next shipment we are going to "seize" 200 lbs of the drug. Why you may ask?

It le'ts them save face. Now they seize 200 lbs of drugs from a port and it goes all over the TV. now the government says we need to make a 6.5 Billion tax raise for drug awareness programs. When in reality all they are doing is taking your money to make more money. so the government is making Millions and Millions of dollars each year from drug dealers themselves. Then they are making billions and billions of dollars from us. The tax payer.

You are probably going to say why would they let people put drugs into this country. well hate to say it but selling drugs is very very profitable. i made it through college selling weed here and there and it put food on the table. It is all about raising the economy. Think about it this way

-King pin ships 200 tons of drugs to the country
-They go to 2,000 different dealers
-These dealers then in turn break down the drug into grams and sometimes ounces or other good deals.
-they make the money and give their connect the money for the re-up.
-Now they made an additional 20,000 on that amount of drugs. WHat do you think they are going to do with that money?
-dealer goes out buys cars cloths a house all these fancy stuff
-in turn buying the car and the cloths and a house gives jobs to much needed work force and gives the workers a job and a paycheck. They go out and buy stuff and that employs more people.
- The deal gets way big and gets a crew to help him sell.
-Now they all making 20,000 a week and you can go back to the first point.

i don't wanna say it but i know from first hand experience about this world. Trust me where i grew up i saw drug deals every 5 mins and i know how profitable it can be.

O and btw then some people are going to be like if the government lets it come in and be given to dealers why do cops arrest you and send you to jail.
IT IS STILL ILLEGAL of course the fuzz is going to try to hold you down. The goverment only sees us as money signs.

[DentFoster]

Yes! It blows my mind that it's not legal.

[jackskellington]

The american government pretends to stop these drugs but coming in. But in reality they let it come in by sparking deals with these Third world countries. For example, did you know more then 2,000 tons of coke come into Newark port each year! So your telling me that our government doesn't know about it? come on now they are not stupid. What they do is go to these drugs lords from these third world countries and spark a deal. They say hey you can ship your drug into our country but we want a cut. Let's say a million every ton you ship in. Most big time drug lords ship tons and tons throughout the country each year. The drug lords accept due to the fact that now they have a safe way to ship it into the country. The country saves face by doing this. The government says to the drug lords hey listen next shipment we are going to "seize" 200 lbs of the drug.

And don't forget about those planes that the government crashed into the twin towers on 9/11!!!!:roll:

...of course the fuzz is going to try to hold you down.

LMFAO!! Hysterical!! Thanks ZFW! I needed that!!:clap:

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

THC is actually a metabolism booster. You can loose weight smoking weed. Just putting it out there.

yea except for the fact most people when they get stoned eat 4 mcdonalds double cheese burgers and 2 bags of cheetos.

The funny thing is weed is actually really healthy for you.

right, setting a plant on fire and breathing in the fumes is great for your body, infact its so natural im suprised we arent born with various burning plants already clutched in our hands.

also if you smoke weed a sad kitten will smile, and if you smoke weed unicorns will come back to life, and if you smoke weed everyone who is poor will get lots and lots of money.... sorry, just figgured since people were throwing around "facts" that have no actual basis in reality I would hop on board the bullshit train too :lol:

heres a fact - you know why people really want it legalized? because they like to smoke it, so they want it to be legal... they want to be able to enjoy the thing they like doing with out worrying about getting in trouble.

do you really think people give a shit about hemp rope or sandals made from hemp? hell no, people want it legalized so they can get high, its really just that simple, and TBH if enough people do it, that just might happen.

I do think though that if it was legal alot less people would get killed by drug dealers, the guy who taught me how to play guitar was my uncles friend, he got stabed by some dope dealer who sold him some weed , then stabed him and took the weed back and his wallet, do you think that would have happend if he could have walked into a 7 - 11 and bought an oucne of maui wowie and some zig zags? I would venture not, now that is a REAL argument for legalizing it, at least IMHO.

honestly, the more I deeply think about it, the more and more I start to think its a good idea, I mean, they are going to legalize it anyways, it is going to happen, its just a matter of time, go ahead and do it now, not only will it make the streets somewhat safer ( maybe , even if just a little bit ) it will help clear up more room in prison for murderers and rapists.

[UNDEAD FRED]

If it ever is legalized I picture it like walking into a Sees Candies store, all those different type of buds on display for purchase. My mouth is watering right now.

[ZombieFreeWorld]

yea except for the fact most people when they get stoned eat 4 mcdonalds double cheese burgers and 2 bags of cheetos.



right, setting a plant on fire and breathing in the fumes is great for your body, infact its so natural im suprised we arent born with various burning plants already clutched in our hands.

also if you smoke weed a sad kitten will smile, and if you smoke weed unicorns will come back to life, and if you smoke weed everyone who is poor will get lots and lots of money.... sorry, just figgured since people were throwing around "facts" that have no actual basis in reality I would hop on board the bullshit train too :lol:

heres a fact - you know why people really want it legalized? because they like to smoke it, so they want it to be legal... they want to be able to enjoy the thing they like doing with out worrying about getting in trouble.

do you really think people give a shit about hemp rope or sandals made from hemp? hell no, people want it legalized so they can get high, its really just that simple, and TBH if enough people do it, that just might happen.

I do think though that if it was legal alot less people would get killed by drug dealers, the guy who taught me how to play guitar was my uncles friend, he got stabed by some dope dealer who sold him some weed , then stabed him and took the weed back and his wallet, do you think that would have happend if he could have walked into a 7 - 11 and bought an oucne of maui wowie and some zig zags? I would venture not, now that is a REAL argument for legalizing it, at least IMHO.

honestly, the more I deeply think about it, the more and more I start to think its a good idea, I mean, they are going to legalize it anyways, it is going to happen, its just a matter of time, go ahead and do it now, not only will it make the streets somewhat safer ( maybe , even if just a little bit ) it will help clear up more room in prison for murderers and rapists.

What facts do you want me to address? THe fact that weed does boost your metabolism?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol

or the fact that weed is healthy for you?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marijuana

And how much of a idiot do you really have to be to not know that a lot of third world countries main exports relate to drugs or firearms? Come on man, come out the suburbs and enter the real world. I read your post and at the same time you did prove some real points. There would be a lot less crime and a lot less people getting killed due to weed being legal. Sadly, the government will never legalize it. I hate to break it to everyone out there but it will never happen. They may legalize it in special medical conditions but we will never be able to buy some good weed in a convenient store. The government makes to much money from it being illegal. And well to sound not like a bullshitter let me through some facts out there

http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/crime/

something along the lines of 34% of people in prison have a drug related offense. 2,258,983 people are in jail. that means that 768,054 people are in jail due to drug related crimes. i would say out of that with being said 39% of 768,054 are in jail for weed. meaning 299,541 people are in jail for weed.

Did you know it takes 50 dollars a day in tax dollars to keep prisoners in prison? that is $38,402,700 a day from drug charges alone. that means in one year from keeping weed illegal the government would have gotten $14,016,985,500. These numbers do not include the tax increase they recieve every year for "Drug awareness"

The numbers are there man. open your mind and start to realize that this world has 3 things that run it.....DRUGS.....SEX....MONEY....that makes the world go round.

and with the bullshit wagon...your telling me with this whole government who is supposed to be the ****ing shit...you telling me they can't notice an estimated 2 million tons of drugs into this country last year?
http://www.serendipity.li/cia.html and that last year alone...drug dealers made a estimated 110 billion dollars...last year...you telling me that the government wouldn't want a little piece of the pie? nor would they stop the drug dealers from selling drugs.

It is about the economy..keeping drugs illegal keeps the economy going. 110 billion dollars last year were made in the United states....so out of 110 billion dollars im pretty sure the government gets a piece of the pie because, of their taxes.

Keeping drugs illegal is a good way for the government to save face to the common people and to rake Billions of Billions of dollars each year keeping it illegal. Some member said before that people would stop smoking for the most part if it is illegal. I know if it turned legal i wouldn't smoke as much. be no need to. go to the store and buy a banging bag that could last me a couple of days.

all im saying is i am totally down for the legalization of weed. I just keeping it real knowing it will never happen.

[Darkness]

"ZFW, take a minute and compare the cost it takes to jail, feed, and care for, all those pot offenders, and compare it to the money the government makes from helping the dealers, and you will see it would actually be much more economical to just legalize it. Not to mention the extra money they spend on increasing the law enforcement, and all the anti-pot ad campaigns and stuff."

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

you do know anyone with an acount can log into wikipedia and change the posts to say anything at all right? but,,, ill play devils advocate, did you actualy read that whole thing from wikpedia?

Whilst some studies and tests have proven inconclusive,[45]a recent study by the Canadian government found cannabis contained more toxic substances than tobacco smoke. It contained 20 times more ammonia, (a carcinogen) and five times more of hydrogen cyanide (which can cause heart disease) and of nitrogen oxides, (which can cause lung damage) than tobacco smoke

and

Multiple studies have shown that chronic heavy cannabis smoking is associated with increased symptoms of chronic bronchitis, such as coughing, production of sputum, and wheezing. Lung function is also significantly poorer and there is a significantly greater amount of abnormalities in the large airways of marijuana smokers than in non-smokers

sounds healthy to me, sign me up !!

and who thinks weed makes you lose weight, come on, heroin and crack sure, but weed is more knowen for making people gain weight not lose weight because it makes you hungrier.

I dont care how much dope other countries export it can be 100%, setting something on fire and inhaling the fumes is NOT natural, I dont care how pure the plant is, if it was natural the shit would be on fire to begin with and the first time you smoke something you wouldnt cough for 5 minutes until your body gets used to it.

I am actualy starting to come around on the legalize weed debate, but I dont think anyone is niave enough to really believe smoking weed - or anything for that matter, is actualy healthy for you, more heathly then smoking ciaggaretes? that I can believe, but to say it leaves you just as healthy - or more healthy then someone who does not smoke it is just ludicrous.

[jackskellington]

You guys are shouting at a wall. You'll never change the thinking of a conspiracy theorist.:roll:

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I know jack, but sometimes shouting at a wall can be a fun way to destress :evil:

cheers :drinking:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Smoking marijuana is not healthier for you than smoking tobacco, but people dont smoke 1-2 packs of joints a day, well not most people. I just like to get high. Everytime you go out you are inhaling car exhaust, and other pollutants. Basicly everything is bad for you. and yes smoking pot does give you the munchies.

[ZombieFreeWorld]

you do know anyone with an acount can log into wikipedia and change the posts to say anything at all right? but,,, ill play devils advocate, did you actualy read that whole thing from wikpedia?



and



sounds healthy to me, sign me up !!

and who thinks weed makes you lose weight, come on, heroin and crack sure, but weed is more knowen for making people gain weight not lose weight because it makes you hungrier.

I dont care how much dope other countries export it can be 100%, setting something on fire and inhaling the fumes is NOT natural, I dont care how pure the plant is, if it was natural the shit would be on fire to begin with and the first time you smoke something you wouldnt cough for 5 minutes until your body gets used to it.

I am actualy starting to come around on the legalize weed debate, but I dont think anyone is niave enough to really believe smoking weed - or anything for that matter, is actualy healthy for you, more heathly then smoking ciaggaretes? that I can believe, but to say it leaves you just as healthy - or more healthy then someone who does not smoke it is just ludicrous.

You are right. I should have been more specific. Weed the actual plant it self is not un healthy for you. The smoking of it is the un healthy part of it. Actually, your going to think im bullshitting or what ever but i use to weight 370 lbs when i was 18. I broke a knee and was in a wheel chair from the age of 16-17 and almost when i turned 18. I lost the majority of my weight just smoking a shit load of weed and eating healthy.

also, your body needs to get used to everything once it enters your system. Anything your body takes in, good or bad, the body still needs to adjust. Hence why a lot of people who change their diets and change their life style get sick.

Ok to darkness's comment.

it does not take that much money to feed and to cloth all those inmates. Have you ever been to jail? the food is horriable the cloths are hand me downs. One day you can be wearing a new shirt and the next day you are wearing a shirt that says someone elses name that was locked up 10 years ago. There really isn't a heating structure they keep the average temp. around 61 degrees. This is besides the fact that almost all prisons and jails are private owned business now.

Now lets put this in retrospective.

You said


ZFW, take a minute and compare the cost it takes to jail, feed, and care for, all those pot offenders, and compare it to the money the government makes from helping the dealers, and you will see it would actually be much more economical to just legalize it. Not to mention the extra money they spend on increasing the law enforcement, and all the anti-pot ad campaigns and stuff.


ok the 50 bucks is also including cost of Corrections officers and to run the prison/jail.

now compare it to this

let's say your a dealer, you make roughly $100,000 a year off of drugs. what you going to do with it? your going to go out a buy a home a car clothes and other things you want. This in turn gives the government money from taxes and that in turn due to the business you gave to the stores. that makes them more money that gives them more money to employ people. Now those people who are employed get paid taxes come out and they in turn go out and spend it on stuff. All in all it raises the economy.

Now let's say they legalize it. most likely it would be a strickly Government own business. let's say they sell it like cigs. a X amount of money for a couple of joints worth. the average gram price is 20 bucks. they aeren't going to sell less then a gram for 20 bucks are they? no they are going to sell a pack of joints liek 2 or 3 of them in a pack for 8 bucks. i know i won't buy it from a store if it is like that.

you have to understand that legalizing weed is going to take a lot of people out of the country due to the fact that so many people sell drugs and do well and those people raise the economy.

i personally don't give a shit what they do. i am still going to smoke my weed if it is legal or not. I just enjoy the debate.

( sorry i wasen't to intelligent with my post i got my daughter on my lap)


o and btw it gives you the munchies because you are burning fat and your body needs to keep up with the amount you are loosing. you don't just get hungry for no reason.

[Victor Clark]

im sorry but this argument is hard to swallow , your telling me no one who has been stoned ever crashed a car and hurt someone? I dont buy it, weed mellows you out, and it slows your reaction time just like alcohol does maybe not as severely but it does do it.

I was acually meaning that marijuana ITSELF has never been a recorded cause of death, while alcohol has been proven to cause liver disease and cigarettes kills 1500 people a DAY by itself! And if those 2 things are legal, but marijuana isn't, is just too f*cking hypocritical for me!

[ZombieFreeWorld]

I was acually meaning that marijuana ITSELF has never been a recorded cause of death, while alcohol has been proven to cause liver disease and cigarettes kills 1500 people a DAY by itself! And if those 2 things are legal, but marijuana isn't, is just too f*cking hypocritical for me!


what do you mean by itself? do you mean just sitting at home smoking and boom your dead? Cause then it would be true. You cannot overdose on weed. you can smoke a pound to the face and the worst that is going to happen is you pass out for 2-4 days lol.

weed has been the cause of death in auto crashes.

[UNDEAD FRED]

A anti drug commercial

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVLhP9CVyTw

[Dagnammit]

Although cannabis has some serious health effects (such as a possible link to psychosis), IMO they are not as serious as those caused by alcohol or cigarettes. It's a bit hypocritical to classify it as illegal when it's clearly not as damaging as other legal drugs, which the government makes tax money from. My major problem with cannabis, and the primary reason that I refuse to touch it, is it's connection to organised crime - by buying it you are basically funding gangsters, hard drugs and prostitution. Of couse, this problem would be nullified if it was made legal...

[ZombieFreeWorld]

Although cannabis has some serious health effects (such as a possible link to psychosis), IMO they are not as serious as those caused by alcohol or cigarettes. It's a bit hypocritical to classify it as illegal when it's clearly not as damaging as other legal drugs, which the government makes tax money from. My major problem with cannabis, and the primary reason that I refuse to touch it, is it's connection to organised crime - by buying it you are basically funding gangsters, hard drugs and prostitution. Of couse, this problem would be nullified if it was made legal...

You can always take a trip to the suburbs and get better weed from the white boys out there...trust me white boys got that banging weed.

[Dagnammit]

You can always take a trip to the suburbs and get better weed from the white boys out there...trust me white boys got that banging weed.

And where do THEY get their weed from? Okay, you've got the occasional rich kid with a hydroponics system in his basement, but most home-growers do it small-scale for personal use only. The VAST majority of hash (in the UK at least) is smuggled in from places like the Netherlands and Eastern Europe by organised criminals, many of whom are involved in prostitution, people trafficking and heroin/cocaine distribution.

[ZombieFreeWorld]

And where do THEY get their weed from? Okay, you've got the occasional rich kid with a hydroponics system in his basement, but most home-growers do it small-scale for personal use only. The VAST majority of hash (in the UK at least) is smuggled in from places like the Netherlands and Eastern Europe by organised criminals, many of whom are involved in prostitution, people trafficking and heroin/cocaine distribution.

o you live in England. Actually a lot of the weed in the States is grown in your very own Englad. We call it Midi s. but yea i understand out there it may be like that. But a lot of these dealers in the nice area just get it from a friend who grows. weed is not really a big time organized crime station out here. well not in my area at least. the big drug is Coke. that is where people get killed over. weed is more or less the small time pety drug dealer.

[devourthesun]

The munchies isn't actually caused by the pot guys, its all in the smokers head. I seem to remember some study of european pot heads saying they didn't get the munchies or anything.

I know from personal experience, I really don't get hungry when I'm high, unless I was already hungry before I got high.

usually only thing I want is a pepsi (ALL I WANTED WAS A PEPSI!), a cigarette and some video games.

[UNDEAD FRED]

The munchies isn't actually caused by the pot guys, its all in the smokers head. I seem to remember some study of european pot heads saying they didn't get the munchies or anythin


I dont really get the munchies if Im home, but if I pass a good munchie spot, basicly any burger joint, then I get the munchies. Damn them for not building a White Castle here, but In and Out Burger is the ultimate munchie place.

[Augustus Desius]

Though I have never smoked cannabis (I'm clean and dry of all drugs), I still support its legalization. The reasons have already been discussed. But to reiterate a few:

Nicotine (found in cigs) and alcohol are both equally addictive when compared to THC. All three should be considered recreational drugs, due to the chemical addiction and relatively negative affects they each have on the body. Thus, all three should be either illegal or legal. This pick and choose situation doesn't seem to follow any logical path and shows that making cannabis illegal is more a political stance than a safety issue.

Crime (and thus cost) is linked to the distribution and acquisition of products rendered illegal. Legalizing cannabis will likely reduce crime related to cannabis, freeing up police forces focused on removing its presence. This will allow more police to focus on truly dangerous criminal actions, ideally.

With it's legalization, the government can make it a taxable product. This should increase the amount of legal money entering government coffers, and (should but probably wont) reduce the need for money acquired illegally.

There are more and more, but they are the same hum-drum reasons as we have all heard before.

Reality is, people are raised with a certain set of core beliefs. They will defend these without regard to reason, as they will become very uncomfortable challenging what they literally relied on since youth. These beliefs helped them grow and become who they are, and thus the beliefs are solidly rooted in their psyche.

They are pressured to remain who they are by their friends and family. It's one of the many burdens of being socially driven. People will likely not change, as they want to belong to certain groups, and that means absorbing the allies and enemies of said group.

My biggest reason for making it legal is the first one I mentioned. It just seems stupid to make two equally dangerous drugs legal, and leave this one out. There simply doesn't seem to be a reason other than those in power like cigs and alcohol (or the bribes from each product) and cannabis simply doesn't have the popularity (or bribing power) amongst those in power currently.

[Darkness]

Though I have never smoked cannabis (I'm clean and dry of all drugs), I still support its legalization. The reasons have already been discussed. But to reiterate a few:

Nicotine (found in cigs) and alcohol are both equally addictive when compared to THC. All three should be considered recreational drugs, due to the chemical addiction and relatively negative affects they each have on the body. Thus, all three should be either illegal or legal. This pick and choose situation doesn't seem to follow any logical path and shows that making cannabis illegal is more a political stance than a safety issue.

Crime (and thus cost) is linked to the distribution and acquisition of products rendered illegal. Legalizing cannabis will likely reduce crime related to cannabis, freeing up police forces focused on removing its presence. This will allow more police to focus on truly dangerous criminal actions, ideally.

With it's legalization, the government can make it a taxable product. This should increase the amount of legal money entering government coffers, and (should but probably wont) reduce the need for money acquired illegally.

There are more and more, but they are the same hum-drum reasons as we have all heard before.

Reality is, people are raised with a certain set of core beliefs. They will defend these without regard to reason, as they will become very uncomfortable challenging what they literally relied on since youth. These beliefs helped them grow and become who they are, and thus the beliefs are solidly rooted in their psyche.

They are pressured to remain who they are by their friends and family. It's one of the many burdens of being socially driven. People will likely not change, as they want to belong to certain groups, and that means absorbing the allies and enemies of said group.

My biggest reason for making it legal is the first one I mentioned. It just seems stupid to make two equally dangerous drugs legal, and leave this one out. There simply doesn't seem to be a reason other than those in power like cigs and alcohol (or the bribes from each product) and cannabis simply doesn't have the popularity (or bribing power) amongst those in power currently.

"I have to say, that made more sense than most of the posts I've seen so far." :clap:

"All I can add is, there is also the money the country could make from the medical applications, and the cultural by-products. (clothes, rope, oils, paper, etc.) That can help too." :)

[devourthesun]

I dont really get the munchies if Im home, but if I pass a good munchie spot, basicly any burger joint, then I get the munchies. Damn them for not building a White Castle here, but In and Out Burger is the ultimate munchie place.

I'm sorry fred, but Nation's is the ultimate burger joint to hit when I'm baked. I believe my exact words one night were "This tastes like Jesus Christ himself came to earth in the form of this bacon cheeseburger just for me."

:lol:

[Eknytz]

I'm completely against the legalization of Marijuana.
recreationally smoking marijuana is drug abuse, just like if your some kid who gets into his parents medical cabinet and abuses prescription drugs.
I'm also against the fact that tobacco and alcohol are still legal.
In my opinion legalization of marijuana would be a step backwards.
And don't bring up the medical marijuana purpose again, there already is a legal substitute for medical marijuana in pill form known as marinol which utilizes THC the active ingredient in marijuana.
And what really annoys me is that all these people are arguing to get it legalized and do you really think any of these people who are campaigning for marijuana to be legalized for medical purposes really give a SHIT about all those sick people the marijuana is supposedly for?

[UNDEAD FRED]

And where do THEY get their weed from? Okay, you've got the occasional rich kid with a hydroponics system in his basement

Theres mostly poor, or middle class kids in the suburbs here. You dont need to grow it thru hydroponics, Theres plenty of places to grow it outside. Its basicly a weed,all you need is the right seeds, a little know how, and the stuff grows like crazy. I can grow it year round here.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I'm sorry fred, but Nation's is the ultimate burger joint to hit when I'm baked. I believe my exact words one night were "This tastes like Jesus Christ himself came to earth in the form of this bacon cheeseburger just for me."

:lol:

We dont have them here down in Dago, but I will keep my eyes out for one next time I smoke some butt nuggets. We do have kick ass taco shops here.

[hatefuldisplay]

Legalize it. Why not? Tax it like cigarettes and make it so the drug dealers we have to worry about are pushing the straight poison out there. Countries with legal marijuana in Europe have less violent crime than us. Maybe it would help. Probably not, but who knows?

[Kemper]

It affects others

[DarthJoe8]

I say yes:)And make stupidity illegal. We have no cure for stupid.:doh:

[DofS]

Maijuana messes you up, google the side-effects.

[Dagnammit]

Theres mostly poor, or middle class kids in the suburbs here. You dont need to grow it thru hydroponics, Theres plenty of places to grow it outside. Its basicly a weed,all you need is the right seeds, a little know how, and the stuff grows like crazy. I can grow it year round here.

Ah, okay. Different climate here, it's probably not hot enough and it's wet all the time, so it's probably not suited to the plant. In the UK, most of it is shipped in by criminals.

[skullwarrior]

There are 3 things in politics that I'm very supportive of: gay marriages, the right to have guns, and the legalization of marijuana. A lot of people say stupid things about pot on TV like "it makes you a terrorist" or "it kills your brain" or "you could kill someone while high", but the bottom line is that weed is not only a safe drug, but is in fact safer than legal alcohol! Here are the facts:

1.There has NEVER been a recorded death from marijuana, while alcohol kills hundreds of teens every night when driving intoxicated.

2.Marijuana has been proven to reduce the size of tumors and treat altzeimers. Can alcohol or tobacco do that?

3.The Bible says that all of Gods plants are meant to be enjoyed (I know it's not a good point, but you know how often that book is used in politics these days).

4.And you're telling me that weed is illegal because it's unsafe, but drive-through liquor stores are all right?!?!? Give me a freakin break!


That's all I'm going to say, and I hope I enlightened some others here in this thread.

wow victor nice research i must say

[Subgenius]

I say legalize marijuana. It's not the gateway drug people claim. It's not as addictive as they claim. Cigarettes? TOTALLY ADDICTIVE and PROVEN to cause cancer and other health problems. Alcohol? Come on, look at driving statistic for accidents.

You will be hard pressed to match the some 50,000 a year that get killed while driving drunk. Every year on American highways drunk drivers kill as many people as the ENTIRE Vietnam War did in 15 years. I doubt you could find one death per day that can be said to have been caused by marijuana. I doubt that you could find one death in 100 days that had been caused by marijuana.

And, alcohol and cigarettes are the legal drugs. Yes, THEY ARE DRUGS. Cocaine and Heroin, now those are serious drugs that seriously have a whole host of problems and issues (not the least of which is total addiction). I know people that simply stopped smoking marijuana cold turkey and never went back. I know quite a few. Can cigarette smokers, heroin users, and coke fiends say that?

The ONLY reason that marijuana is illegal now is because Dupont and the big cigarette companies lobbied and made it illegal all the way back in the late 19th and early 20th century. It was a threat to tobacco and oil. It had nothing to do with public safety or any of that nonsense.

[detpat]

I have had a career in LE since 1980 which has spanned the gamut from military police investigator to deputy sheriff and housing officer [Inv. LT.], then into private investigation [mostly fraud and insurance work with a good deal of custody work] and i will say that i am against prohibition in any form. guns drugs or sex. legalize everything and let people deal with their own lives.

[vortec1]

I have had a career in LE since 1980 which has spanned the gamut from military police investigator to deputy sheriff and housing officer [Inv. LT.], then into private investigation [mostly fraud and insurance work with a good deal of custody work] and i will say that i am against prohibition in any form. guns drugs or sex. legalize everything and let people deal with their own lives.

Hey Pat I agree people have to be responsible for their own shite.

[detpat]

just so! same as gambling and all sorts of other stuff. The argument is"some people can't handle it" and my answer is "who gives a shit what some people can't handle" not my problem.

[Eknytz]

You guys do realize that illegal drugs fund terrorist organizations.

[Subgenius]

You guys do realize that illegal drugs fund terrorist organizations.

Yeah, and the conspiracy also says that baby food manufacturers also support terrorism. LOL. Seriously, Mary Jane is not supporting any terrorism any more or less than oil or any other so-called "legal" "drugs" that society has been addicted to (oil is an addiction, just see what happens when it gets cut off cold-turkey). The drugs funding terrorism on a HUGE scale are cocaine and heroin, two of the most addictive drugs ever outside of maybe morphine. Also, something like 75% of the marijuana in the United States comes from British Columbia, Canada. I hope you don't think that they are terrorists.

[Bad Zombie Night]

OK everybody... Let's keep Terrorism, Politics, and the Jesus out of this debate... Alrighty then? http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley.gif

[detpat]

well, that takes all the interesting and relevant arguments away!

Prohibition is bullshit and is a morally bankrupt policy.

[Bad Zombie Night]

well, that takes all the interesting and relevant arguments away!

I suppose if all you're looking for is to see a fight erupt, then I'll say, yes. :roll:

[Zombreach]

I'll be the bad guy here and say "NO", do not legalize marijuana. There are enough people driving impaired out there. Let's not add more! And it does effect us. We have to drive out there with people who are drunk, high, etc. I for one don't want any more to worry about when I'm on the road. And I surely don't want my son to be smoking pot! It kills brain cells, clouds your judgement, etc. I'm not saying it is worse than alcohol, but on the same level. Maybe we should outlaw drinking as well.:lol::loon:

In all seriousness, I am a child of an alcoholic father and I have been in the car many times while he drove drunk...and it scared the crap out of me! I would be afraid how many more would be on the road driving impaired if marijuana was ever legalized.

[Subgenius]

I'll be the bad guy here and say "NO", do not legalize marijuana. There are enough people driving impaired out there. Let's not add more! And it does effect us. We have to drive out there with people who are drunk, high, etc. I for one don't want any more to worry about when I'm on the road. And I surely don't want my son to be smoking pot! It kills brain cells, clouds your judgement, etc. I'm not saying it is worse than alcohol, but on the same level. Maybe we should outlaw drinking as well.:lol::loon:

In all seriousness, I am a child of an alcoholic father and I have been in the car many times while he drove drunk...and it scared the crap out of me! I would be afraid how many more would be on the road driving impaired if marijuana was ever legalized.

There is no scientific proof for any dead brain cells. You kill more brain cells just bumping your head one time than you will with a lifetime of smoking marijuana.

In fact, there is a lot more proof for the medicinal uses of marijuana than against it, especially for cancer victims. I know several personally that have went through cancer treatment with and without access to marijuana. The doctors advised that they go and buy some marijuana to help counter act the side effects oh chemotherapy. People with nerve damage have shown marked improvements while on marijuana. And, most any aspirin that anybody ingests will have caniboids in them to ease the stomach upset factor.

Drinking is the KILLER. The monumental idiocy of legal alchohol is so far beyond me that I actually make fun of people that try to defend alcohol when all it is out there in the real world is legalized drug abuse. Sure, some people do drink responsibly, but some people that smoke marijuana also smoke responsibly. And, the ratio of idiot drunks to idiot potheads is easily 10,000-to-one, and more likely 50,000-to-one. 50,000 people killed on the roads and highways every year by drunk drivers. They cannot even find one death per year that had marijuana as the direct cause (of the death or the accident).

Marijuana does not impair judgement or coordination in the manner that alcohol has always done in all people. Marijuana improves focus and has been shown to improve a persons physical abilities (the UFC currently bans the use of marijuana because it "increased the focus and motor skills in the fighter"). Nick Diaz, a top level fighter, even admitted that he used marijuana before a fight to "calm down, take the edge off of the nerves, and to focus only on the opponent" and it worked until he tested positive.

[Zombreach]

I've only known one person who was given a prescription for marijuana to help with the effects of chemo. He refused due to religious beliefs. The only reason they gave him the option was to help with his appetite loss. In these situations, I have no problem with the use of marijuana.

As for death related accidents, just last year a person in my town was involved in an accident which resulted in the death of several people. He drove into the other lane and hit an oncoming car. It was discovered that he had smoked a joint before leaving his home. I doubt that this is an isolated incident. More people are killed by drunk drivers because drinking is legal. Legalize marijuana, and your statistics of "high" drivers being involved in accidents will increase also. :x

[Subgenius]

I've only known one person who was given a prescription for marijuana to help with the effects of chemo. He refused due to religious beliefs. The only reason they gave him the option was to help with his appetite loss. In these situations, I have no problem with the use of marijuana.

As for death related accidents, just last year a person in my town was involved in an accident which resulted in the death of several people. He drove into the other lane and hit an oncoming car. It was discovered that he had smoked a joint before leaving his home. I doubt that this is an isolated incident. More people are killed by drunk drivers because drinking is legal. Legalize marijuana, and your statistics of "high" drivers being involved in accidents will increase also. :x

It's extremely isolated. And, I would be willing to bet that it was alcohol related or that other drugs had been used.

Most scientific tests with marijuana and all drugs like cocaine and heroin deal with giving a lab rat an extreme dosage of the drug. Then they publish a report and say that it's bad for a person. Of course it's bad that way. Anything taken in excess, even food and water, is bad for the body in the short term. They say stuff like "Marijuana has 400 chemicals in it" but fail to tell you that lettuce has more than that. All plants are composed of chemicals.

The illegality of marijuana has had NOTHING to do with the choice to smoke it or not, and marijuana usage has only increased year-by-year. In high school, almost everybody I knew smoked pot. Now, twenty years later, in a univeristy, its the same thing (even teachers smoke it, I know, I've been to some non-offical parties where I've seen it first hand).

Drunk drivers have no care at all for the laws or the legal nature of alcohol. If they did, then 50,000 people per year would still be alive. If you made alcohol illegal, they would still find ways to drink it and drive while intoxicated. Drunk people are STUPID! They do not think about who gets killed. They just drive and kill people.

[DarthJoe8]

I've only known one person who was given a prescription for marijuana to help with the effects of chemo. He refused due to religious beliefs. The only reason they gave him the option was to help with his appetite loss. In these situations, I have no problem with the use of marijuana.

As for death related accidents, just last year a person in my town was involved in an accident which resulted in the death of several people. He drove into the other lane and hit an oncoming car. It was discovered that he had smoked a joint before leaving his home. I doubt that this is an isolated incident. More people are killed by drunk drivers because drinking is legal. Legalize marijuana, and your statistics of "high" drivers being involved in accidents will increase also. :x

I have to ask. Your friend wouldn't use medical marijuana because of religious beliefs but had no problem taking chemo? :think: What religion might i ask would say, don't do this treatment but that one over there is ok?

And there are exceptions to everything. Just because you can pick one point doesn't invalidate the entire idea. It's sad when people needlessly die but was the cause of the deaths marijuana? Or was there something else involved? If you want to site actual statistics regarding marijuana involvement and car related deaths or any deaths for that matter, it might help with your counter argument. :)

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
http://www.webmd.com/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/deathreports.htm

[Zombreach]

And please tell, what would make high drivers any better. Do you think they would think about the people who might get killed when they drive. Aren't they stupid too?! Some people who drink or smoke pot think they are okay to drive. I know this first hand. I am usually the DD because I want to arrive home alive and in one piece! People who can barely stand are pulling out their keys and stating they are fine to drive. And I don't just mean drunk people.

As for the incident of the person who was smoking pot before he drove, no other drugs, alcohol or otherwise, were involved.

[DarthJoe8]

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't have controls. ie laws. We don't allow children to watch rated R movies. We don't allow underage soldiers to drink though they are old enough to take the life of someone else. We don't allow people to drive drunk. Does that mean it doesn't happen? Does it mean that kids don't get into rated R movies or that underage soldiers don't drink or that people make bad choices and drive drunk.

Making the argument that people will drive high doesn't work. People drive stupid also. Personally, i think 16 year olds aren't responsible enough to drive and highway statistics show this to be true but they still do.

I know a few people in law enforcement and they basically ignore minor pot use. They think its stupid and they have better things to do than arrest someone for a joint. I think sound debate and laws are whats called for. Not prohibition. :drinking:

[Subgenius]

And please tell, what would make high drivers any better. Do you think they would think about the people who might get killed when they drive. Aren't they stupid too?! Some people who drink or smoke pot think they are okay to drive. I know this first hand. I am usually the DD because I want to arrive home alive and in one piece! People who can barely stand are pulling out their keys and stating they are fine to drive. And I don't just mean drunk people.

As for the incident of the person who was smoking pot before he drove, no other drugs, alcohol or otherwise, were involved.

Anybody that takes doses of Nyquil and then drives a car is STUPID. And, THAT is a LEGAL OVER-THE-COUNTER drug. Most legal drugs have the warnings, and I might add that so do all alcohol beverages sold in the US, that say do not operate machinery (cars, trains, airplanes, etc). I reassert that alcoholics (drunks) are STUPID. And, that means while under the influence they will eventually kill somebody or themselves or end up in jail for five years. But, none of that stops them.

I do not drink alcohol. i did between age 13 and 21, but quit just before my 21st birthday. I hate the taste and the buzz sucks and the hangover sucks. Pot has a cool, mellow, mild euphoric buzz, has no hangovers, and a perosn CAN operate machinery while under the influence.

I also want you to post a link to the incident you mention. If you do not, then I will assert that I do not believe you. I am sorry to call you out, but I want your proof. And, then, give us some supported research from respectable sources that state that this incident is typical of all or any other pot smokers. Becuase, DarthJoe8 already shot that point down and he did it with three links.

[Zombreach]

I have to ask. Your friend wouldn't use medical marijuana because of religious beliefs but had no problem taking chemo? :think: What religion might i ask would say, don't do this treatment but that one over there is ok?

And there are exceptions to everything. Just because you can pick one point doesn't invalidate the entire idea. It's sad when people needlessly die but was the cause of the deaths marijuana? Or was there something else involved? If you want to site actual statistics regarding marijuana involvement and car related deaths or any deaths for that matter, it might help with your counter argument. :)

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm
http://www.webmd.com/news/20030918/marijuana-smoking-doesnt-kill
http://www.medicalmarijuanaprocon.org/pop/deathreports.htm

He was my friend's father and he was Presbyterian. The church did not tell him not to use the marijuana, he chose not to because he believed it was a sin.

As for my counter argument, I am simply trying to state that marijuana is a drug that impairs your judgement. If you smoke it, you shouldn't drive. How is a person who smokes pot in any better position to drive than a person who drinks alcohol. And of course I am talking about excessive usage to the point of being high or drunk. Statisics aside, I know people get high and drive. Are you trying to say this is okay because the statisics don't show that marijuana is a leading cause of traffic accidents and death?!

[Subgenius]

I'm not suggesting that we shouldn't have controls. ie laws. We don't allow children to watch rated R movies. We don't allow underage soldiers to drink though they are old enough to take the life of someone else. We don't allow people to drive drunk. Does that mean it doesn't happen? Does it mean that kids don't get into rated R movies or that underage soldiers don't drink or that people make bad choices and drive drunk.

Making the argument that people will drive high doesn't work. People drive stupid also. Personally, i think 16 year olds aren't responsible enough to drive and highway statistics show this to be true but they still do.

I know a few people in law enforcement and they basically ignore minor pot use. They think its stupid and they have better things to do than arrest someone for a joint. I think sound debate and laws are whats called for. Not prohibition. :drinking:

In my state, Johnny Law will only give you a traffic ticket for simple possession of marijuana under two ounces (the average user only carries an eighth ounce or a quarter once of marijuana at any given time). Most people never go to court, they just pay the fine and are more careful.

I know people that have casually smoked marijuana for over 20 years. These people are people with standing in the community. They have expensive homes, expensive cars, and lead otherwise completely normal lives. They have kids and family and a life, unlike all those stupid propaganda commercials that feed people false data. "Well, if it was on TV, then it must be true." That is so damn stupid.

Also, well over two-million people can be released from jail right now as non-violent offenders of the anti-marijuana laws. These are simplely normal people caught and jailed with hardcore rapists and murderers and child molestors. All it does is make the jailed marijuana user come out of jail a more violent and more hardened criminal when he went in as a non-criminal outside of marijuana.

[Subgenius]

He was my friend's father and he was Presbyterian. The church did not tell him not to use the marijuana, he chose not to because he believed it was a sin.

As for my counter argument, I am simply trying to state that marijuana is a drug that impairs your judgement. If you smoke it, you shouldn't drive. How is a person who smokes pot in any better position to drive than a person who drinks alcohol. And of course I am talking about excessive usage to the point of being high or drunk. Statisics aside, I know people get high and drive. Are you trying to say this is okay because the statisics don't show that marijuana is a leading cause of traffic accidents and death?!

You have zero support for marijuana being equal to or on any level similar to alcohol. That is just wrong. And, "a sin"? What sin? Where in the Bible does it mention pot?

[DarthJoe8]

As for my counter argument, I am simply trying to state that marijuana is a drug that impairs your judgement. If you smoke it, you shouldn't drive. How is a person who smokes pot in any better position to drive than a person who drinks alcohol. And of course I am talking about excessive usage to the point of being high or drunk. Statisics aside, I know people get high and drive. Are you trying to say this is okay because the statisics don't show that marijuana is a leading cause of traffic accidents and death?!

I agree with you. :) I'm not advocating driving while impaired regardless of the substance. I believe and have for a long time that there is a time and place for most things. Driving while lighting a bowl is pretty stupid.:loon: So is driving and eating a Big Mac.lol

Also, i grew up around alcoholics and had to sit in the back seat of the car on a number times praying that dad would get us home ok. I am well aware of what abusing anything can do and the harm that comes from it. I like my beer but i don't like getting FUBAR. To me thats a loss of control and abusive. :loon: Not my bag at all.

Here's to being safe and responsible. :drinking:

[DarthJoe8]

And, "a sin"? What sin? Where in the Bible does it mention pot?

I wouldn't bark up that tree SG.:)

[DarthJoe8]

Hey ZomBreach!! Welcome to the boards.:) You should say a hello in the introduction thread.:clap:

[Zombreach]

Anybody that takes doses of Nyquil and then drives a car is STUPID. And, THAT is a LEGAL OVER-THE-COUNTER drug. Most legal drugs have the warnings, and I might add that so do all alcohol beverages sold in the US, that say do not operate machinery (cars, trains, airplanes, etc). I reassert that alcoholics (drunks) are STUPID. And, that means while under the influence they will eventually kill somebody or themselves or end up in jail for five years. But, none of that stops them.

I do not drink alcohol. i did between age 13 and 21, but quit just before my 21st birthday. I hate the taste and the buzz sucks and the hangover sucks. Pot has a cool, mellow, mild euphoric buzz, has no hangovers, and a perosn CAN operate machinery while under the influence.

I also want you to post a link to the incident you mention. If you do not, then I will assert that I do not believe you. I am sorry to call you out, but I want your proof. And, then, give us some supported research from respectable sources that state that this incident is typical of all or any other pot smokers. Becuase, DarthJoe8 already shot that point down and he did it with three links.


I will try to find a link to this incident. It was in the papers and occured very close to my previous home. I am a computer illiterate, so it may take some time. I don't even know how to post a link. :lol: As for the incident being typical, I did not say that. I was responding to your statement that there are no marijuana related deaths on record. I just happened to know of the one a mentioned, and stated as such. We could argue until the cows came home, and you wouldn't change my mind: I do not think marijuana should be legalized. It's just my opinion. One of a few I am bull-headed about. Sorry.

[Subgenius]

I agree with you. :) I'm not advocating driving while impaired regardless of the substance. I believe and have for a long time that there is a time and place for most things. Driving while lighting a bowl is pretty stupid.:loon: So is driving and eating a Big Mac.lol

Also, i grew up around alcoholics and had to sit in the back seat of the car on a number times praying that dad would get us home ok. I am well aware of what abusing anything can do and the harm that comes from it. I like my beer but i don't like getting FUBAR. To me thats a loss of control and abusive. :loon: Not my bag at all.

Here's to being safe and responsible. :drinking:

I think cell-phone caused automobile accidents have sky-rocketed. So much so that many US States have been adopting anti-cell-phone laws while driving. Food has also caused large numbers of accidents and that number has increased every years since the US Interstate system and fast-food franchises began to dominate the US landscape.

I would also submit that a large majority of most auto accidents that have any relation to marijuana have a young driver age 16-26 behind the wheel trying to smoke a joint, bowl, or even a bong. A K-9 patrol friend of mine told me that 95% of the marijuana incidents that he had investigated dealt with stupid kids in a mall parking lot or a school parking lot getting high on marijuana in the plain view of a security camera.

[Subgenius]

I will try to find a link to this incident. It was in the papers and occured very close to my previous home. I am a computer illiterate, so it may take some time. I don't even know how to post a link. :lol: As for the incident being typical, I did not say that. I was responding to your statement that there are no marijuana related deaths on record. I just happened to know of the one a mentioned, and stated as such. We could argue until the cows came home, and you wouldn't change my mind: I do not think marijuana should be legalized. It's just my opinion. One of a few I am bull-headed about. Sorry.

What about decriminalization? Get the non-violent offenders out of the jail systems. But, you do not need to agree with us. But, I would hope that people out there would see the writing on the wall. It says that any distraction while driving leads to deaths at some point or another. Drug related or no, our highways are deathtraps.

I know a guy that fell asleep at the wheel and nearly killed himself and two other people in another car. He was not intoxicated at all, and he is a health-nut, drug-free type of person. Screw sin with this guy, he hates toxins and chemicals of any kind in his system.

He found out the hard way that fatigue toxins can kill as easily as alcohol or Nyquill or a concussion to the head before driving.

[Zombreach]

I wouldn't bark up that tree SG.:)

Bark all you want SG! :lol: I am not a religious gal and I did not say I thought it was a sin. I cannot tell you why he thought it was, other than pot was and is illegal. He did not feel right about it and chose not to use it. As for what's in the bible, I don't know. Haven't read it. Sorry!

[detpat]

I've been a cop longer than many of the members here have been alive, and my attitude, from first hand experience is that drug prohibition is a joke, a failure and a fraud. It doesn't work at all and only serves as a mechanism for government to increase in size and become more predatory. Our rights have been violated numerous times by the governments "compelling interest" in controlling drugs for our own good. that's why we have so many harmless people in prison and even innocent citizens killed in drug related incidents.

I have even seen malicious use of drug statutes to steal the property of others, this is both by local and federal authorities as diverse as the us US Park Service and several sheriff's Dept's.

As a veteran LEO i see prohibition as a huge fraud and nothing else.

[DarthJoe8]

Well said detpat.:clap:

[Subgenius]

Bark all you want SG! :lol: I am not a religious gal and I did not say I thought it was a sin. I cannot tell you why he thought it was, other than pot was and is illegal. He did not feel right about it and chose not to use it. As for what's in the bible, I don't know. Haven't read it. Sorry!

No, the man you spoke of said that it was a sin. That's what we latched onto. Why a sin? It's the same with homosexuality. The Bible does not specifically say that gay sex of any type is a sin. It talks around it, such as no sex without procreation, no premarital sex, and stuff like that. I think that guy went through needless issues with that chemo that he could have avoided, and all in the name of misguided religious belief. I know that is harsh to say, but I simply hate all forms of religious fanaticalism big and small.

[Zombreach]

No, the man you spoke of said that it was a sin. That's what we latched onto. Why a sin? It's the same with homosexuality. The Bible does not specifically say that gay sex of any type is a sin. It talks around it, such as no sex without procreation, no premarital sex, and stuff like that. I think that guy went through needless issues with that chemo that he could have avoided, and all in the name of misguided religious belief. I know that is harsh to say, but I simply hate all forms of religious fanaticalism big and small.

Oh man, you just hit on another of my bull-headed subjects. I have never understood the big hoopla made over gay couples and marriage. Leave them alone and let them live their lives!

As for the man I mentioned, marijuana would not have helped him in the end. He contracted shingles and had to stop chemo. This allowed the cancer to go crazy and it took over his entire lymphatic (sp.?) system. He died shortly after.

[Zombreach]

I've been a cop longer than many of the members here have been alive, and my attitude, from first hand experience is that drug prohibition is a joke, a failure and a fraud. It doesn't work at all and only serves as a mechanism for government to increase in size and become more predatory. Our rights have been violated numerous times by the governments "compelling interest" in controlling drugs for our own good. that's why we have so many harmless people in prison and even innocent citizens killed in drug related incidents.

I have even seen malicious use of drug statutes to steal the property of others, this is both by local and federal authorities as diverse as the us US Park Service and several sheriff's Dept's.

As a veteran LEO i see prohibition as a huge fraud and nothing else.

I can't and won't argue this. Drugs have caused a lot of deaths of innocent people. No argument there.

As for how long you have been on the force, I am pretty sure I have been alive for a lot of that time, if not more. I don't know how old you are, but I am older than most of the people posting on this forum. (At least the ones I have noticed that have their age listed.)

[detpat]

drugs haven't caused anyone's death. people are responsible, not things.

I'm 45. I only phrased it that way so folks wouldn't think i was a pimple faced twerp talking out of his ass!

I've seen people destroy themselves and others with drugs, gambling, booze, etc and it's not the substance it's the person. If prohibition was a success we wouldn't have any problems now.



It's the person and their behavior and not the substance!

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

drugs haven't caused anyone's death. people are responsible, not things.

I'm 45. I only phrased it that way so folks wouldn't think i was a pimple faced twerp talking out of his ass!

I've seen people destroy themselves and others with drugs, gambling, booze, etc and it's not the substance it's the person. If prohibition was a success we wouldn't have any problems now.



It's the person and their behavior and not the substance!


this is true, same can be said for a house thats on fire, its not the gas thats the problem its the fire, well this is true, but pouring gas onto the fire makes it worse.

its true its peoples actions and behavior that is to blame for all the things that they do which are bad / illegal etc and ruin thier lives or the lives of those around them, but these behaviors are amplifed when you add in an outside factor like drugs or booze.

I am still on the fence with this one, I can go either way, IMO its just a matter of time til its legal and it wont bother me , if they keep it illegal, wont bother me either, and it definatly wont stop people from smoking it either way .

[Subgenius]

Oh man, you just hit on another of my bull-headed subjects. I have never understood the big hoopla made over gay couples and marriage. Leave them alone and let them live their lives!

As for the man I mentioned, marijuana would not have helped him in the end. He contracted shingles and had to stop chemo. This allowed the cancer to go crazy and it took over his entire lymphatic (sp.?) system. He died shortly after.

That's terrible.

A pal of mine beat cancer last year and earlier this year. He had a form of throat cancer that usually causes people to lose their voicebox and they have to talk through those little machanical voicebox things. But, he got lucky, and he's back at work now. His voice sounds the same. But, he lost like 50 pounds and almost all of his hair.

He went from 225 down to 175. It was dangerously low-weight for his six-foot-four frame. I mean, at 225, he was already lean. He also smoked marijuana for the first time after years and years of saying "never" to me and our friends that smoke pot. But, the marijuana helped him regain his weight. It helped him keep the food down.

He plans to stop smoking weed pretty soon just because he has little concern for the buzz. For him, it just reminds him of what he described as "the worst time" of his life. He just wants to get past it. He never smoked anything, not ever. But, he spent over twenty years as a drummer in a road band that played at small bars and clubs filled with second hand smoke. The doctors told him that the second-hand smoke caused the cancer. They were almost certain.

I just wish that we could eradicate cancer...

[Subgenius]

this is true, same can be said for a house thats on fire, its not the gas thats the problem its the fire, well this is true, but pouring gas onto the fire makes it worse.

its true its peoples actions and behavior that is to blame for all the things that they do which are bad / illegal etc and ruin thier lives or the lives of those around them, but these behaviors are amplifed when you add in an outside factor like drugs or booze.

I am still on the fence with this one, I can go either way, IMO its just a matter of time til its legal and it wont bother me , if they keep it illegal, wont bother me either, and it definatly wont stop people from smoking it either way .

The point is that PEOPLE are self-destructive and often simply destructive to themselves and other people. If I drive while drunk, then I am the latter. I am, in that scenario, placing my own life and another person, or maybe even the lives of many people, in severe and final danger. Lives are destroyed and lost. The drug in question is a LEGAL substance.

So, we must, therefore, make both alcohol and cars illegal in order to eliminate deaths by drunk driving. THAT is the truth. Nobody can dispute this as pure, white hot, in your face, FACT. You drive drunk often enough and people will get killed. Statistically, the drunk drivers them selves are not the ones killed in the accidents involving alcohol that kills 86,000 people every year. That is nearly a million in ten years.

Trust me when I say this: NOBODY CARES!!! Do you honestly believe that laws will be passed to make alcohol illegal? Do you think that people will make cars illegal? Those two things will NEVER happen (again, for alcohol; there will not be a second prohibition on alcohol).

The same goes for being fat. Obesity causes a wide range of health problems. The list of death causes per year listed several that came from being too fat. But, just you try to make people eat one way or the other. Just try to make fast food illegal. Try to outlaw pizzas. Try to do any of that and people will crap all over you. They will say, "It's my damn body, I'll eat whatever I want."

Why is it that the marijuana smokers CANNOT have that same right?

[detpat]

I think that the most telling point in this argument is that prohibition is ineffective. if we have total prohibition now and you are never more than 5 minutes from a source then it's a wast of money,time and blood.

hell, drugs will probably be harder to get after legalization.

[UNDEAD FRED]

*points finger at the red haired skunk bud sitting on my table*

"your a evil bud, you and your kind have killed a lot of innocent people."

[Subgenius]

*points finger at the red haired skunk bud sitting on my table*

"your a evil bud, you and your kind have killed a lot of innocent people."

Mmmmm, The Kind... mmMMMMmmmmm....

[Darkness]

*points finger at the red haired skunk bud sitting on my table*

"your a evil bud, you and your kind have killed a lot of innocent people."

"The Evil Bud Must Die!! Burn The Evil Bud!"

*Darkness hands Undead Fred the pipe and lighter.* :drinking: :lol:

[Subgenius]

Breaking News: Marijuana reverses zombification! Humanity is saved. All we need to do now is get the zombies to smoke pot.

LOL :machgun2: :zom2: :saw:

[DarthJoe8]

The same goes for being fat. Obesity causes a wide range of health problems. The list of death causes per year listed several that came from being too fat. But, just you try to make people eat one way or the other. Just try to make fast food illegal. Try to outlaw pizzas. Try to do any of that and people will crap all over you. They will say, "It's my damn body, I'll eat whatever I want."

Why is it that the marijuana smokers CANNOT have that same right?


Fast food won't be illegal and neither will the twinki. We have a "sin" tax on alcohol and cigarettes and I'm 100% in favor of putting devil dogs in there with them.

If the sin tax is for increased health care costs involving alcohol and cigs then why not a twinki?

We'll call it the fat tax.:think: If you want to eat shit then pay for it.

[DarthJoe8]

Breaking News: Marijuana reverses zombification! Humanity is saved. All we need to do now is get the zombies to smoke pot.

LOL :machgun2: :zom2: :saw:

Thanks freakin' funny.:clap:

[Eknytz]

Medical Marijuana is BULLSHIT
they have it in pill form anyway as Marinol so there is no need for smoking Medical Marijuana.

Really, do you think all these pro marijuana people give a shit about all these sick people???

they are just taking advantage of their unfortunate situation so they can get high!!! its disgusting.

[DarthJoe8]

Medical Marijuana is BULLSHIT
they have it in pill form anyway as Marinol so there is no need for smoking Medical Marijuana.

Really, do you think all these pro marijuana people give a shit about all these sick people???

they are just taking advantage of their unfortunate situation so they can get high!!! its disgusting.

Leave it to the pharmaceutical company's to figure out a way to take something that you can grow for free and make it into a pill for profit.

They say red wine helps prevent heart disease. I wonder when the pharmaceuticals will figure out a way to make that into a pill.:think:

You know what they say about opinions....

[Darkness]

Medical Marijuana is BULLSHIT
they have it in pill form anyway as Marinol so there is no need for smoking Medical Marijuana.

Really, do you think all these pro marijuana people give a shit about all these sick people???

they are just taking advantage of their unfortunate situation so they can get high!!! its disgusting.

"I AM one of those 'Medical Marijuana Users', and you have no idea what you are saying."

"For some ailments its needed in a pill form, and glaucoma patients use it in eye drop form as well as pill, true. But one of its many uses is, it is a natural expectorant. It clears the lungs of mucus, tars and crud."

"And before you say prove it, I had an MRI done recently, and the attending nurse said, and I quote, "You have the cleanest lungs I have ever seen on a smoker.", and I have been a cigarette smoker most of my life."

"So I give you me as living proof."

[Eknytz]

Leave it to the pharmaceutical company's to figure out a way to take something that you can grow for free and make it into a pill for profit.

They say red wine helps prevent heart disease. I wonder when the pharmaceuticals will figure out a way to make that into a pill.:think:

You know what they say about opinions....

last time I checked marijuana isn't free
(not from personal experience-I don't buy a product that supports terrorist organizations not to mention its illegal)

[DarthJoe8]

last time I checked marijuana isn't free
(not from personal experience-I don't buy a product that supports terrorist organizations not to mention its illegal)

:lol:You should learn to read an entire post before replying but I'll repeat myself for you. I said you can GROW it for free.

As for supporting terrorists, why is that Opium production and exporting is at a record levels in a country (Afghanistan) that we (USA) control? Who's supporting terrorists?:think:

[UNDEAD FRED]

Its a good thing that some people do not smoke marijuana, they are paranoid as it is.:loon:

[DarthJoe8]

Its a good thing that some people do not smoke marijuana, they are paranoid as it is.:loon:

:scare:Who's paranoid?

What's going on with opium production is absolutely true.:shock:

[Barbara]

I wouldnt see a problem with it but there will always be that dumbass 10% who will screw it up by driving while high or something.

[UNDEAD FRED]

whats really scarey is the people out there driving on perscription meds.:scare:

[detpat]

darkness you are 100% right. i know several people who are medicinal users and it helps them loads!

I'm a total believer in legalization, the argument that some people might drive high or whatever is bullshit. if you commit a crime while high you suffer the penalty for that crime just as you would if you did while drunk. no difference.

If we did away with the bogus drug war we could afford plenty of things we can't now, like lower taxes. A huge government component that would go away and another source of leverage on our rights and constitution eliminated.

not to mention fewer dried up old farts shrilling at us.

OH, and the prescription meds thing is right on too. Saw lots of those in my years on the road, more than alcohol.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

im kind of curious, how many of the folks who want to see it made legal do not smoke it?

[detpat]

I don't smoke, tobacco or anything else. I also don't use other drugs, just aren't interested. If all was legalized tomorrow i still wouldn't. I just have an interest in freedom and privacy. particularly in something we should never have had in the first place.

[Eknytz]

:lol:You should learn to read an entire post before replying but I'll repeat myself for you. I said you can GROW it for free.

As for supporting terrorists, why is that Opium production and exporting is at a record levels in a country (Afghanistan) that we (USA) control? Who's supporting terrorists?:think:
You can grow it free??
by that logic diamonds are free because it doesnt cost us any money for them to form!!!
and about the US supporting terrorism(which of course is a ridiculous statement) and the opium increasing its because Afghan president Karzai who is backed by the US is only in control of a 1/3 of Afghanistan and the Taliban (Opium growing terrorists) have control of over 1/2 Afghanistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/22/wtaliban122.xml

[DarthJoe8]

You can grow it free??
by that logic diamonds are free because it doesnt cost us any money for them to form!!!
and about the US supporting terrorism and the opium increasing its because Afghan president Karzai who is backed by the US is only in control of a 1/3 of Afghanistan and the Taliban (Opium growing terrorists) have control of over 1/2 Afghanistan.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/22/wtaliban122.xml

And here I thought mission was accomplished? So with US presence as well as NATO we can only manage control over 1/3 of a pile of rocks.

There is a state park that is also loaded with diamonds that you can go and find diamonds and actually keep them:drinking:for FREE!!!.

Dude, that argument is weak imo. Your comparing the growing of a plant to the formation of diamonds...:loon:

EDIT: I didn't say we support terrorists (not directly) although we have helped fund them and train them but that was when they worked for us and we wanted them to kill other people. Then they where called freedom fighters or rebels.

[Eknytz]

Dude, that argument is weak imo. Your comparing the growing of a plant to the formation of diamonds...
not really, its still the same principle it doesn't cost anything for them to "grow"

[DarthJoe8]

not really, its still the same principle it doesn't cost anything for them to "grow"

My point was that you can't "grow" a natural diamond. Can you take a hunk of coal and bury it and in a few months <<<poof>>>you have a diamond?:lol:

If your really stuck on "the cost" then the cost is time. It takes half a dozen months to grow a plant to maturity. It takes millions of years for you to "grow" your diamond.:lol:

This park is where you can get your FREE diamonds.:drinking:

http://www.craterofdiamondsstatepark.com/

To think that this began with a discussion about the pharmaceutical companies taking something that you can grow in your garden "for free" and turning it into a "pill for profit.":lol:

[devourthesun]

OK, Enough with the terrorism bullshit please, before BZN comes in and shuts this damn thread down.


Damn it! Is it really this impossible to have a civilized discussion?

Seriously, from what I've seen in this thread, pretty much every Anti-pot person has basically been saying the same bullshit over and over again.

"Driving while high kills!"
"It supports terrorism"
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!"

Seriously, Please, Just STFU and honestly try to look at this from an open minded perspective.

I smoke pot, but I didn't start till I was 21 *last year*. I don't smoke pot on a daily basis, I barely smoke pot once a month. Have I had any problems with my memory? no more than I already had.

Can I function when I'm high? Yes, I can. I can hold coherent conversations, and I can get up and do whatever it is I need to do, Hell I even went to work stoned one day *I was hung over high* and I didn't have any trouble. I've driven with my friends when they were high, and guess what, They are MORE cautious when they are baked then normal, and do you know why? Pot makes you paranoid. When you're high, the last thing you want to do is draw attention to yourself when you're outside of your house *friends house, where ever you happen to be smoking* so you stay focused on what you're doing. Hell, I've gone from my friends house, who lives 5 cities away from me, taken the local subway and bus, and then walked from my bus stop, to my house without having any trouble.

You know when I've had trouble getting home? When I've left a bar and I'm drunk. Total time to walk from the bus stop to my house when I'm sober: 10 to 15 mins. when I'm high, it takes me about 10 because I'm walking faster.

Time it takes me to get from the bar to my house sober, about 10-15 mins. Drunk, it can take me anywhere from 30 mins to an hour depending on how trashed I am.

So if you're going to argue against the legalization of pot, could you at least come up with some facts and figures to back up your f*cking statements!

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I've driven with my friends when they were high, and guess what, They are MORE cautious when they are baked then normal

just like every drunk will tell you, oh i drive better when im drunk ! thats great, you might be more cautious, but your reaction time is still slowed, and if someone or something runs unexpectedly in front of the car, no matter how cautious you were being, your reaction time is slowed,

are you gaurunteed to hit them? no not at all, you very well could stop or miss them,

could you still hit them if you were perfectly sober, of course you could,

is your chances of hitting them while high increased vs if you werent? undenyably yes.

[zmbvan]

"Driving while high kills!"
"It supports terrorism"
"THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!"


THEY TOOK YERRR JERBS!:lol:

Well Said devourthesun!:clap:

[devourthesun]

just like every drunk will tell you, oh i drive better when im drunk ! thats great, you might be more cautious, but your reaction time is still slowed, and if someone or something runs unexpectedly in front of the car, no matter how cautious you were being, your reaction time is slowed,

are you gaurunteed to hit them? no not at all, you very well could stop or miss them,

could you still hit them if you were perfectly sober, of course you could,

is your chances of hitting them while high increased vs if you werent? undenyably yes.


I can understand what your saying ZAMD, but unlike when your drunk, you're reaction times aren't as slowed as one would think. Once the intial "Holy Shit I'm baked" has passed and you're in the mellow chill out point, you're fine to do just about anything, and like I said before, you're not trying to draw attention to yourself so you're driving below the speed limit and when you've got 3 or 4 people in the car who are all high, everyone is on "Cop Watch".

I refuse to get anywhere near a car with a drunk, because I know what I'm like when I'm drunk, and I wouldn't dare enter a car.

[Zombreach]

I was suppose to find a link to a fatal car accident that involved marijuana use near where I used to live, but unfortunately, I was unable to. The town is very small, and the papers online archives do not go that far back. So, I spent some time and researched the net for other info regarding marijuana usage.

Since I am one of the people against the legalization of marijuana, I obviously looked for info supporting my case. I must say, there is a lot to be found for both sides of the argument. Here are my links:


http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20051201/marijuana-raises-risk-of-fatal-car-crash

http://www.nida.nih.gov/ResearchReports/marijuana/Marijuana3.html

http://www.marijuana-addiction.info/side-effects.htm

I never said that marijuana is a major cause of fatal car accidents... just that usage impairs one's ability to drive when they are high. I don't have a clue what the talk about terrorism or taking away jobs is about, but I never said either of those things. I think things here are getting a bit ugly! There is no need for swearing and name calling. Most of us posting are adults, and I think we can have this discussion without being immature about it.

[Subgenius]

Have you ever had an Internet argument?

Have you ever had an Internet argument while high?

LOL. I adapted those two lines from the movie Half Baked.

John Stewart plays a guy that asks those same questions about everything.

Trust me when I say that NOTHING will get settled in this thread.

[Eknytz]

heres proof

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/may/13/drugsandalcohol.alqaida

[Darkness]

"Ever heard the saying 'If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.'?"

"Well, as long as marijuana is illegal, it will remain in the criminal's hands. Legalize it, and the outlaws won't have any use for it as a source of income. If we are allowed to grow our own, we won't be having to buy it from the dealers, the results being we won't be handing money over to these terrorists. It's only logical, just take it out of the loop." :)

[UNDEAD FRED]

Oil funds terrorism to, so are you going to stop driving your car? Have you ever talked on your cell phone while driving, ate something, changed the radio station, or changed a CD, isnt that an impairment while driving? A lot of accidents are caused by these things. My friends car was re-ended while he was stopped at a red light, and he was injured, by a fool playing with his navigational system. should those be illegal?

[Zombreach]

Oil funds terrorism to, so are you going to stop driving your car? Have you ever talked on your cell phone while driving, ate something, changed the radio station, or changed a CD, isnt that an impairment while driving? A lot of accidents are caused by these things. My friends car was re-ended while he was stopped at a red light, and he was injured, by a fool playing with his navigational system. should those be illegal?

I have never talked on a cell phone while driving...I don't even own one. Those things cause brain cancer!:lol: And it is illegal to talk on the cell phone while driving in some states. As for changing the radio station, changing a CD, eating, etc., those things can cause an accident. But...they don't have any long term effects on your health. (Unless, of course, you get in an accident and kill yourself while doing it!) This isn't just about the effects of driving.

[Victor Clark]

I don't quite understand why everyone is making such a big fuss over something that's less dangerous than things that are already legal! I don't see anything wrong with marijuana, and I definately think it's hypocritical to keep this illegal, while people can smoke cigarettes (which kill 1500 people a day) and drink alcohol (at DRIVE THROUGH LIQUOR STORES, the dumbest idea ever invented!), mostly because it can't be illegal. The Prohibition Laws passed out in the 1920s (and repealed before 1940) made it illegal to drink, own, or even make alcohol, which caused a major increase in crime, gang activity, murder, and police corruption. And we're dealing with this exact same list of problems now because of the prohibition of marijuana! If we make it legal, crime will go down, drug money will decrease, and jails and prisons will no longer be too overcrowded for real criminals because they won't hold people who just got high!
And saying that it causes terrorism?!? BULL!!!! SHIT!!!! Anti-drug lobbyists just said that after 9/11 because it they knew it would bring fear to the American public, and everyone will think that being Pro-American meant not smoking pot! And even IF it funded terorists (which is a pure lie), if it was legalized, it wouldn't be funding them anymore, now would it? I don't smoke pot, but I don't think that making it illegal will do any good for any person, besides the greedy politicians who get big amounts of money from anti-drug advertising that try to convince the public that smoking weed kills, that it ruins your life, that it makes you a terrorist, and other lies that they pull out of their fat asses just for more chump change!

[UNDEAD FRED]

As far as long term effects, I dont smoke a pack of joints a day. Im sure if you smoked 20+ blunts a day, sure its going to have effects on your health.

[Darkness]

I don't quite understand why everyone is making such a big fuss over something that's less dangerous than things that are already legal! I don't see anything wrong with marijuana, and I definately think it's hypocritical to keep this illegal, while people can smoke cigarettes (which kill 1500 people a day) and drink alcohol (at DRIVE THROUGH LIQUOR STORES, the dumbest idea ever invented!), mostly because it can't be illegal. The Prohibition Laws passed out in the 1920s (and repealed before 1940) made it illegal to drink, own, or even make alcohol, which caused a major increase in crime, gang activity, murder, and police corruption. And we're dealing with this exact same list of problems now because of the prohibition of marijuana! If we make it legal, crime will go down, drug money will decrease, and jails and prisons will no longer be too overcrowded for real criminals because they won't hold people who just got high!
And saying that it causes terrorism?!? BULL!!!! SHIT!!!! Anti-drug lobbyists just said that after 9/11 because it they knew it would bring fear to the American public, and everyone will think that being Pro-American meant not smoking pot! And even IF it funded terorists (which is a pure lie), if it was legalized, it wouldn't be funding them anymore, now would it? I don't smoke pot, but I don't think that making it illegal will do any good for any person, besides the greedy politicians who get big amounts of money from anti-drug advertising that try to convince the public that smoking weed kills, that it ruins your life, that it makes you a terrorist, and other lies that they pull out of their fat asses just for more chump change!

"Well said!" :drinking:

*Darkness hands Victor Clark the First Annual 'Soap Box Speech' Award.'* :clap:

[Subgenius]

"Ever heard the saying 'If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.'?"

"Well, as long as marijuana is illegal, it will remain in the criminal's hands. Legalize it, and the outlaws won't have any use for it as a source of income. If we are allowed to grow our own, we won't be having to buy it from the dealers, the results being we won't be handing money over to these terrorists. It's only logical, just take it out of the loop." :)

Very true. And, think about it, the average person, in their own back yard, can grow a few plants or a garden full of marijuana plants. Just pick the buds at the right times, dry them properly, and smoke them. Marijuana and hemp are fairly easy to grow outside, or, as the Canadians in British Colombia have proven, a person can safely grow marijuana indoors under more perfect environmental settings for the plants.

Now, look at other legal and non-legal drugs by comparison. Alcohol? Some people do brew their own beers, which seems safe and okay. But, a full-on whiskey distillery? Vodka? Any type of alcohol besides beer will cause problems, if people tried to make hard liquor in their homes. Cocaine and Heroin? Forget about it. The refining of those drugs for home personal use is exceedingly dangerous and deadly.

Only marijuana and cigarettes can be grown and smoked (used) safely. But, to put cigarettes through all the BS that the tobacco companies have to do, it becomes difficult. How do you make your own home-grown cigarettes more and more addictive the way that the tobacco companies have always done? How do you safely add more chemicals?

With marijuana no new chemicals need to be added to make it fun and enjoyable to smoke. People have been selectively breeding better and better marijuana for over a century at the least. So, you just grow it and smoke it. It really is as simple and as much fun as it sounds.

[Subgenius]

I don't quite understand why everyone is making such a big fuss over something that's less dangerous than things that are already legal! I don't see anything wrong with marijuana, and I definately think it's hypocritical to keep this illegal, while people can smoke cigarettes (which kill 1500 people a day) and drink alcohol (at DRIVE THROUGH LIQUOR STORES, the dumbest idea ever invented!), mostly because it can't be illegal. The Prohibition Laws passed out in the 1920s (and repealed before 1940) made it illegal to drink, own, or even make alcohol, which caused a major increase in crime, gang activity, murder, and police corruption. And we're dealing with this exact same list of problems now because of the prohibition of marijuana! If we make it legal, crime will go down, drug money will decrease, and jails and prisons will no longer be too overcrowded for real criminals because they won't hold people who just got high!
And saying that it causes terrorism?!? BULL!!!! SHIT!!!! Anti-drug lobbyists just said that after 9/11 because it they knew it would bring fear to the American public, and everyone will think that being Pro-American meant not smoking pot! And even IF it funded terorists (which is a pure lie), if it was legalized, it wouldn't be funding them anymore, now would it? I don't smoke pot, but I don't think that making it illegal will do any good for any person, besides the greedy politicians who get big amounts of money from anti-drug advertising that try to convince the public that smoking weed kills, that it ruins your life, that it makes you a terrorist, and other lies that they pull out of their fat asses just for more chump change!

To be honest, that prohibition on alcohol would never have been lifted had it been in place between 1950 and the present. The Interstate system popped up in the 1950s and afterwards. It opened up the highways. And, the drunks rolled right out at the start with all of the other people.

That's the catch. In the period between 1890 and 1940, the roads were mostly city streets and the cars were few and far between. People did not drink and drive, they drank and walked (or rode a horse, fell off, and broke their necks). Cars drove so slowly that accidents rarely resulted in fatalities.

But, prohibition had ended, and the cars kept rolling on more and more roads and Interstate highways.

Other than that, I fully agree. If they followed the same pattern with marijuana that they had followed with alcohol, then they should legalize marijuana and work on making alcohol illegal once again. I would not miss it. I don't drink alcohol of any type outside of cold medicine. And, my only other uses would be for rubbing alcohol or molitov cocktails in a zombie infestation.

[detpat]

The repeal of prohibition almost bankrupted organized crime overnight. repeal of drug prohibition will wreck the drug money base in similar fashion.

[Darkness]

The repeal of prohibition almost bankrupted organized crime overnight. repeal of drug prohibition will wreck the drug money base in similar fashion.

"Exactly!" :clap:

[UNDEAD FRED]

I hope that the next George Romero zombie movies has someone using marijuana in it so some people can complain about its political message:lol:

[Crickler]

As i've just lit a joint I probably shouldn't need to say which side of the debate i'm on :think:

Yes driving while high is dangerous, yes, weed might cause some long term health problems and yes a large amount of money from weed will probably be going into organised crime.

Legalizing it will stop money going to dealers and "terrorists", driving while intoxicated laws already cover narcotics use (at least here in the UK) and I cant really imagine legal weed not coming with a health warning. And what doesn't cause long term health problems these days? Food can, drugs can, smoking can, alcohol can, the Sun can, pollution can. Even legal drugs like Ibuprofen and codeine can cause stomachs ulcers and addiction. Healthy choices like fruit juice can cause tooth decay. Just about anything can be bad for you if taken to excess.

More to the point, I'm 24 years old, I pay my taxes, i'm eligible to vote, why can't I decide what to do in my own home?

If it ever is legalized I picture it like walking into a Sees Candies store, all those different type of buds on display for purchase. My mouth is watering right now.

You need to go to Amsterdam Fred :mrgreen:

[Subgenius]

I hope that the next George Romero zombie movies has someone using marijuana in it so some people can complain about its political message:lol:

Day of the Dead (1985) and, I think, Land of the Dead each had scenes with potheads in the zombie aftermath. When the chopper returns in Day of the Dead (1985) at the beginning, there is a soldier tending pot plants. In Land of the Dead, I thought that the guy with the spotlight had a joint. And, I think so did the kid that Cholo left on the docks. I will need to recheck that.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Day of the Dead (1985) and, I think, Land of the Dead each had scenes with potheads in the zombie aftermath. When the chopper returns in Day of the Dead (1985) at the beginning, there is a soldier tending pot plants. In Land of the Dead, I thought that the guy with the spotlight had a joint. And, I think so did the kid that Cholo left on the docks. I will need to recheck that.

I remember That part in Day of the Dead, when the helocopter was comming back, and the soldier was watering the very obviously not a pot plant, but was suppose to be one I guess, and one soldier was smoking a hooter in the cafeteria just before Cpt Rhoads gave his monkey farm speech. I dont know what mouse was smoking in the boat house, something to calm his nerves. I think I would be to paranoid to smoke pot if the undead should walk.

Great movies to watch stoned

Up in Smoke
Harold and Kumar go to Whitcastles
Dude, wheres my car
Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

thats all I can think of right now

[Subgenius]

I remember That part in Day of the Dead, when the helocopter was comming back, and the soldier was watering the very obviously not a pot plant, but was suppose to be one I guess, and one soldier was smoking a hooter in the cafeteria just before Cpt Rhoads gave his monkey farm speech. I dont know what mouse was smoking in the boat house, something to calm his nerves. I think I would be to paranoid to smoke pot if the undead should walk.

I watched it again just a few minutes ago. Those look like marijuana plants to me. I doubt that they were tomato plants or other edible garden plants. To simply say that they were obviously not pot plants would need you to go farther. The dude even picks at it like a pot plant. He tossed away what looked like a seed he pulled from the bud. If they were fake pot plants, then the point is still the same. Those dudes were growing pot. I'll have to rewatch Land of the Dead later to confirm what Mouse had on the dock.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I watched it again just a few minutes ago. Those look like marijuana plants to me. I doubt that they were tomato plants or other edible garden plants. To simply say that they were obviously not pot plants would need you to go farther. The dude even picks at it like a pot plant. He tossed away what looked like a seed he pulled from the bud. If they were fake pot plants, then the point is still the same. Those dudes were growing pot. I'll have to rewatch Land of the Dead later to confirm what Mouse had on the dock.


Believe me when I say I know what a pot plant is, and that was a plant that looks somewhat like a pot plant, but it is not. I dont know the name of it. As far as picking at it, he was simulating pinching the growing tops so it branches out more to create more of the pretty flowers. Heres a site if you would like to look at marijuana plants, go to the photo galleries, you will see real marijuana plants dude:lol: but your right the point is the same

http://www.hightimes.com

[blaje]

I don't smoke pot, but i agree it should be legalized.
It's less dangerous then alcohol and un addictive. the only reason its illegal is because no one can make a profit off of it, because you can grow it virtually anywhere.
But if you ask me nothing tops a nice cold beer:drinking:

[Darkness]

Believe me when I say I know what a pot plant is, and that was a plant that looks somewhat like a pot plant, but it is not. I dont know the name of it. As far as picking at it, he was simulating pinching the growing tops so it branches out more to create more of the pretty flowers. Heres a site if you would like to look at marijuana plants, go to the photo galleries, you will see real marijuana plants dude:lol: but your right the point is the same

http://www.hightimes.com

"It could have been a Green Japanese Maple. They, and Bamboo, are often used to camouflage a marijuana field, to make it harder to identify it from the air. It's extremely hard to tell the two apart, especially from a distance."

[Subgenius]

Believe me when I say I know what a pot plant is, and that was a plant that looks somewhat like a pot plant, but it is not. I dont know the name of it. As far as picking at it, he was simulating pinching the growing tops so it branches out more to create more of the pretty flowers. Heres a site if you would like to look at marijuana plants, go to the photo galleries, you will see real marijuana plants dude:lol: but your right the point is the same

http://www.hightimes.com

Well, it was a movie. Romero did not want to get arrested with pot on the set. So, of course it was fake. What I mean here is that the point should be made that there were potheads in Romero's Dead films.

[devourthesun]

And yet no one has a conniption fit that people were smoking the weed in the zombie movies!

Course, I can't blame the poor bastards, I'd be growing if the zombies invaded too, I'd need something to help me calm down without making it impossible to function, like booze.

Now don't misunderstand, I'm not against alcohol, and I say if you enjoy it, go for it, but I've had enough times where I've puked up my organs and stumbled around making an ass of myself *which I can do on my own thank you!* To be able to say "No thanks" most of the time when alcohol is around. I'll have a beer or two if I'm at a bar with friends, or I'll have a glass of wine or whatever, but I'm not really that into alcohol anymore.

Personally if we outlawed alcohol again, everyone would have an even bigger shit fit than they would over legalizing weed.

[meeks]

Though I haven't read much of the thread, I don't see a problem in legalizing it. It's not as horribly addicting as other drugs seem to be. As a recreational, I guess you could say, smoker, I don't NEED to smoke, I just enjoy it and do in moderation. I know there are most people who will go out of moderation, that's a given, but being controlled and moderated, it shouldn't hurt. Only our pockets because they'd probably tax the **** out of it.

Another thing, it's the only smoking tobacco that doesn't cause cancer yet has healing capabilities. If not healing, a temporary solution to many problems.