Metal chat

[Dead Jack]

Didn't see anything on that, so, you wanna talk metal, that's the place.

Put your thoughts here, is metal really a evil music? Is (put band's name here) metal? How has metal started? This is the place for that. :)

[UNDEAD FRED]

I been to 11 AC/DC concert, never dressed up in a Angus schoolboy outfit:lol:

Does anybody remember The Head Bangers Ball?

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

Does anybody remember The Head Bangers Ball?

Hell yes, I watched it relgiously every night, Infact I went so far to even record several to VHS, i got a box of em around here somewhere, I might have to dig them out.

I been to 9 ozzy concerts combing all the actualy ozzy tours and ozzfests, and probaly, 5 or so BLS shows also counting ozzfests.

[Dead Jack]

Which I could go to a Ozzy concert...missed the last one in Montréal. My first concert was supposed to be Finntroll but got lost in the damned city!!! >.<

[UNDEAD FRED]

Wasnt Black Sabbath considered acid rock back in the day?

[Dead Jack]

Some people may have called it like this, but most called it Stoner Rock because most of Sabbath's fans liked to smoke weed. :lol:

It's actually Early Metal, the first true metal band in history. They were supposed to make a blues band but they changed name two times before doing some metal.

[UNDEAD FRED]

Never heard the term stoner rock before, and Im from Southern California, we put the ol in cool. Heres a test of your knowlege, Who wore the Metallica t-shirt, Beavis or Butthead?

[Dead Jack]

Beavis wore it but who cares? We're talking about metal, not about two retards.

[jackskellington]

I used to live by the Headbanger's Ball as well! I didn't really like that uber-dork Adam "The Blade" Curry. Where the f**k did they find him? Just because he was Tim Curry's son was no reason to give him a job! Anyway, as for my concert list....If I can remember them all....

Metallica - 4 times. ALL of which were the tours for the first 4 albums before they began sucking.
Kiss - 2 times
Flotsam & Jetsam - WITH Jason Newsted
Dog Eat Dog
Biohazard
King Diamond :rock:
ACDC
White Lion
Kix
Ozzy - 2 times
Anthrax
Cinderella

I'm certain there are several more, buy my memory isn't working so good when I try to ponder back to the 80's for some reason!:drool:

[Barbara]

Like with all the music I listen to, I have to be in a mood for a "metal" but dear god I dont think I even know what it is anymore.

The music genres are so blurred these days, but there are always those who want to label every single type of differnece in the music, metal in this case.

I mean, Thrash, Nu Metal, Power Metal, Speed Metal.....:x


Who cares? Whatever happened to just listening to what ****in rocks awesome?:drinking:


My 2 cents is worth 1,000 pecos, remember that.

[Victor Clark]

I love a lot of the older metal bands, but I wouldn't call myself a "Hardcore Rocker" like some of the others here. I've never been to a rock concert, but that's only because my favorite bands have either broken up while I was in diapers, lost an important band member to death, or never had a reunion show near where I live. Out of all the metal genres and bands out there, the ones I like the most are KISS, AC/DC, Metallica, and Ozzy. I also like some of the glam bands from the 80s like Poison and Twisted Sister, but I'm not sure if they're considered metal to some of the metal freaks here.

[Dead Jack]

Yeah those bands are Glam Metal. Sam Dunn consider stuff like Limp Bizkit being metal, Nu-Metal. I sincerely hope the guy don't listen to shit like that. XD

I think that metal categories is not a bad thing. You can't put power metal bands in the same category as trash bands, except in metal. These categories is simply to learn the differences in sound between bands. I think Sam Dunn has made a good job in helping ignorant people to learn more about metal, because that was the reason for making a chart: So people can learn more about metal, especially people who seldom listen to metal.

If you ask me, I think Sam Dunn is one of the most metal people on Earth. :P

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

sounds to me like hes a metal / book worm ( or nerd ) hybrid :lol:

I can see calling limp bizkit new metal, though ive always thought of them as rap rock.

[Dead Jack]

Yeah there are some rap-metal bands, I think these are the Nu-Metal bands.

Just listen to Linkin' Park's in the end, it's rap vocals over weak metal music.....

Samd Dunn doesn't look like a nerd. I guess it's a simple headbanger who wanted to learn history of metal and understand what makes every metal genres different. Seriously, every metalhead should watch Metal: A Headbanger's Journey. Can't wait for his next stuff, which will focus on the underground scene. ^^

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

being a nerd isnt about how you look , being a nerd isnt actualy a bad thing, at least not IMO, im definatly a video game nerd, hell most of the folks around here could be considered nerds as gung ho as most are on zombies.

I actualy rather dislike limp bizkit, Ironicly the one song I like by them Is the one that if you knew me and my musical taste would assueme is the one song I hate,,, N2gether now, dont ask me why, but i love that song :drinking:

[Dead Jack]

You a gamer? Welcome to the club! :drinking:

Never liked Limp Bizkit. I don't know why Sam Dunn even consider these kinda bands as being metal. He probably put them in the chart only to make it complete 'cuz I don't think a pure metalhead would actually consider Linkin' Park being an important part of the metal history.

[vortec1]

Didn't see anything on that, so, you wanna talk metal, that's the place.

Put your thoughts here, is metal really a evil music? Is (put band's name here) metal? How has metal started? This is the place for that. :)

No Metal, can be used either for the Beast or Against the Beast depends how " you are Aligned!"

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I am a HUGE gamer, I got almost all the home consoles from the atari 2600 on, im missing a few of the more rare hard to find ones but im ever on the look out.

I prefer retro gaming my self, NES, SNES, genesis , ps1, N64, the current stuff is great dont get me wrong, im just of the mind that the best days are behind us in the world of video games, I think it will take alot to rival how insanely huge , and awesome NES was in the 80's.

then again as i said earlier, I think im stuck in the 80's and 90's :lol:

[Dead Jack]

I am a HUGE gamer, I got almost all the home consoles from the atari 2600 on, im missing a few of the more rare hard to find ones but im ever on the look out.

I prefer retro gaming my self, NES, SNES, genesis , ps1, N64, the current stuff is great dont get me wrong, im just of the mind that the best days are behind us in the world of video games, I think it will take alot to rival how insanely huge , and awesome NES was in the 80's.

then again as i said earlier, I think im stuck in the 80's and 90's :lol:

Don't worry, I agree with you. Some older games weren't the same when sequels were made. Like Mario, I liked most games that were made since Super Mario Bros. In my opinion, SMB was the best Mario game, though I liked other games, like SM 64 and Mario Party.

Great hits such as Donkey Kong are quite rare these days. Sure, there are the occasional series that simply blow the player away (The Elder Scrolls, Metal Gear Solid, GTA). Other series just keep being different than it was (Can hardly see a difference between Final Fantasy XI and XII).

Anyway, that's not the point of the thread.:lol:

I know metal can't be a religious weapon. Those stupid churches always try to force people to think metal it's evil. They want more control, simply.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I know metal can't be a religious weapon.

tell that to stryper haha.

in godddd weeee trust, trust, trust....

god stryper was lame, though to be fair they had a bad ass drummer.

[UNDEAD FRED]

I know metal can't be a religious weapon. Those stupid churches always try to force people to think metal it's evil. They want more control, simply.

Or a political one. Does anyone remember when Al Gore's wife Tipper Gore was making a big stink about obscenity in music, targeting AC/DC, and the rap group 2Live Crew?

[Dead Jack]

Yeah, to hell with these Christian Metal bands! I wouldn't believe a moshpit can form during a As I Lay Dying show unless I saw it XD

[vortec1]

Hey they Can't force you where you don't want to go! unless you let them.:)

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

music, video games, TV , will always be a scapegoat for all the violence and bullshit that goes on in this country, for some reason people cant just grasp the concept that some people are ****ed up, and are going to do ****ed up things, I dont think playing doom while listening to judas priest is going to make it anymore likely you'll go out and kill someone, if your far enough gone to do something like that, your going to do it anyways, there may be a handful of legit cases where someone heard a certain song or saw something on TV and they went out and did it, but again, they would have to have some wires crossed to begin with.

Id be willing to bet the number of sane, well grounded in reality, non depressed people who hear a song or see something on TV, and go out and break some sort of law or kill them selfs based solely on what they heard / saw can be counted on one hand.

[Dead Jack]

eah, that's like the Suicide Solution case. No one can blame Ozzy 'cuz a moron shot himself. the problem was the guy and his parents probably never tried to speak to him to try and find out what's wrong.

[vortec1]

music, video games, TV , will always be a scapegoat for all the violence and bullshit that goes on in this country, for some reason people cant just grasp the concept that some people are ****ed up, and are going to do ****ed up things, I dont think playing doom while listening to judas priest is going to make it anymore likely you'll go out and kill someone, if your far enough gone to do something like that, your going to do it anyways, there may be a handful of legit cases where someone heard a certain song or saw something on TV and they went out and did it, but again, they would have to have some wires crossed to begin with.

Id be willing to bet the number of sane, well grounded in reality, non depressed people who hear a song or see something on TV, and go out and break some sort of law or kill them selfs based solely on what they heard / saw can be counted on one hand.

Judas Priest! got Turbo lover I like that. Hey If your going to kill someone than it means nothing what you hear either your hard or your not! music means very little at those times.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

it was judas preist too, they were listening to one of the songs and they decided to shoot them selfs, the one guy shot him self and killed him self, then the 2nd guy shot him self but lived and was horibly disfiggured, they tried to take them to court too, but obviously it didnt go no where.

[vortec1]

it was judas preist too, they were listening to one of the songs and they decided to shoot them selfs, the one guy shot him self and killed him self, then the 2nd guy shot him self but lived and was horibly disfiggured, they tried to take them to court too, but obviously it didnt go no where.

Hey, if you shoot your self I'm sorry you did that I have heard all kids of music and It makes me happy.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I agree, you can not blame music for actions you choose to take, heres a bit i found on wikipedia about it, the guys were both drunk, that right there should tell you something.

In summer 1990, the band was involved in a civil action that alleged they were responsible for the suicide attempts in 1985 of 20-year old James Vance and 19-year old Ray Belknap in Reno, Nevada, USA.[12] On December 23, 1985 Vance and Belknap got intoxicated then went to a playground at a Lutheran church in Reno. Belknap shot a 12 gauge shotgun under his chin, dying instantly, and Vance followed, but survived with a severely disfigured face. He died three years later after a suicidal overdose of painkillers.[13]

The men's parents and their legal team alleged that a subliminal message of "do it" had been included in the Judas Priest song "Better By You, Better Than Me" from the Stained Class album (actually a cover of a Spooky Tooth number). They alleged the command in the song triggered the suicide attempt.[12] The suit was eventually dismissed.[12] One of the defense witnesses, Dr Timothy E. Moore, wrote an article for Skeptical Inquirer chronicling the trial.[12]

The trial was covered in the 1991 documentary Dream Deceivers: The Story Behind James Vance Vs. Judas Priest. In the documentary Halford commented that, if they wanted to insert subliminal commands in their music, killing their fans would be counterproductive and they would prefer to insert the command "Buy more of our records". Regarding the prosecution's assertions that the statement "do it" was a command to commit suicide, Halford pointed out "do it" had no direct message.

[vortec1]

I agree, you can not blame music for actions you choose to take, heres a bit i found on wikipedia about it, the guys were both drunk, that right there should tell you something.

Well shite I get drunk every friday but don't touch it any other day. In no way would I kill my self. depression they say is the killer:-(

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I got a question, what is everyones favorite metal CD / record / album whatever you want to call it.

mine is a tie, and I absolutely can not pick between the two, its either OzzY - no more tears... or Black Label Society - 1919 eternal.

[ZombieFreeWorld]

well what do you define as metal? cause i have metal songs that are Fantasy

[UNDEAD FRED]

I got a question, what is everyones favorite metal CD / record / album whatever you want to call it.

mine is a tie, and I absolutely can not pick between the two, its either OzzY - no more tears... or Black Label Society - 1919 eternal.

Thats so hard to answer, I have so many favorites.

OZZY RULES

[ZombieFreeWorld]

well

all of the dragonforce cd's

all of the rhapsody cd's

everything before Metallica's black album( well including that one)

every song by Tenacious D

[jackskellington]

My favorite? That's easy!!!!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/jackskellington70/Random/abigail2.jpg
:rock:

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

damn fine choice jack ! king diamond rocks, my favorite from him is either abigal or abigail II ... andy larouqe is a bad ass guitar player.

[jackskellington]

I like Abigail II as well, but nowhere near as much as the first one. Alot of "purists" will tell you that King was much better back in the Mercyful Fate days, but I disagree. That band just held him back. If he would've stayed with them we would've never had masterpieces such as Abigail. This is way outside the metal chat, but you and TBD have some damn fine bands up there in your area as well! Have you gotten a chance to see The Tossers when they played locally?

[Victor Clark]

My favorite metal album? It would probably be a tie between AC/DC's "Back In Black" album, or Rob Zombie's "Past, Present & Future" album.

[Dagnammit]

Right now my favourite metal album is Astronomy by Dragonland, but it changes on a weekly basis. My all-time favourite metal band is Iron Maiden but I'd be hard-pressed to pick a favourite of their 14 studio albums.

[jackskellington]

Right now my favourite metal album is Astronomy by Dragonland, but it changes on a weekly basis. My all-time favourite metal band is Iron Maiden but I'd be hard-pressed to pick a favourite of their 14 studio albums.

As for studio albums I'd say it would have to be a toss up between Number Of The Beast and Piece Of Mind. As for live albums, Live After Death is probably the best one ever produced by ANY band! :rock:

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

I actualy have seen the tossers, pretty damn good show they put on.

hmmm live albums, I am actualy not a teribly huge fan of live albums but if I had to pick a favorite live album it would probaly be frampton comes alive but thats not metal so I guess ill go with live and loud by ozzy :drinking:

[hatefuldisplay]

Anthrax: Among The Living

That's my all-time favorite metal album.

[zmbvan]

I have been listening to:

The Sword: Age of Winters
Danzig 2: Lucifuge

I think Black Sabbath's album Paranoid has to be one of the best metal albums.

And you can't forget about Rammstein they are awesome! :lol:

[Dead Jack]

Never thought about a top 5 album.

1-Blizzard of Ozz- Ozzy Osbourne

2- Bark at the Moon- Ozzy Osbourne

3-Nightfall in Middle-Earth- Blind Guardian

4-A Night at the Opera- Blind Guardian

5-Symphony from Enchanted Lands- Rhapsody

I would've put a Finntroll album in my top but I didn't really listen to entire albums, only a few songs I particularly liked.

[Boozbie]

God to many to even try to mention the first that come to mind are

Nailbomb: Pointblank
Sepultura: Against AD
and the first Soulfly

those are all by the same guy in a relatively short span Max Cavalera is a thrash mozart

Oh I know Both "Acid Bath" Albums! I dont know anybody who hasn't gone thru like 3 of each!

Amon Amarths new album is i think there best

too many to mention

[Dagnammit]

As for studio albums I'd say it would have to be a toss up between Number Of The Beast and Piece Of Mind.

Those are both incredible albums, but I'm tending more towards either Powerslave or A Matter of Life and Death. NotB and PoM contain probably their best songs but also one or two duff tracks (Gangland and Quest for Fire come to mind) whereas IMO there are no bad songs on either AMoLaD and Powerslave.

As for live albums, Live After Death is probably the best one ever produced by ANY band! :rock:

Live After Death is indeed fantastic. I don't think Maiden have done a bad live show in their career.

[Boozbie]

Just heard a new one i got to get the cd anybody here heard of "Powerwolf" anyways heres a link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn0E9RYciNQ&feature=related

I've found some sweet ass websites lately and i've been going all out listening to all sorts of obscure bands its been awesome!

I've been listening to so much viking metal, I'm just a few albums away from building a Dragonship in my backyard!

[vortec1]

Well I like alot of Ramstein I've never considered any of that evil but some would say that it just plainly sounds evil.

[Dearth]

Re: Iron Maiden - been a fan for years, but the best album for me has to be 7th Son, and it contains my all-time favourite track - "Can I Play With Madness".

I got to see 'em live a ferw years back and they're still great - plus, you got to see Eddie on stage too - brilliant stuff

:)

N.