whats your style going to be?

[AN OLD SHOE]

ok when it comes down to zombies or the rebel people(think of dotd 78)

would you want to be guns a blazin and loud with more people who are equally the same, clumsy/dumb with no tactical inteligence but with guns and alot of people, or quiet/stealthy with little or no gun usage(cloak and dagger ideal)


i would want the cloack and dagger ideal....in fact i dont plan on even getting a gun after the outbreak...well...maybe a rifle...

[8mmUltra]

Run Silent, Run Deep..... I have said this before and hope to never fire a shot during a ZOMBIE Outbreak... If I must fight, peace through superior FIREPOWER!:machgun2::guns::shotg:

[AN OLD SHOE]

yeah i agree....and seriously if i got ambushed by a rebellion...i wouldnt want to shoot..it would give away my position

[MaxVeers]

Seems we're all voting the same here. We all know we'd band together and join up as a small group, though. That's the way all the "indepedents" did it when we played HVZ on campus. The guys who tried to do everything on their own got killed quick.

[AN OLD SHOE]

well independant cant do everything themselves....i can do almost all of it..im working on the other 10% lol

the questions was are you basically gonna be loud or quiet and are you gonna be smart or dumb....or are you gonna give up hope...

i might have 3 people with me....but knowing me i will call up every girl iknow and take them along...that will get me killed eventually haha

[Victor Clark]

I would have a small group, and seeing that I don't know many people with guns besides my family, I would probably be more in tune with a baseball bat than a 6 shooter revolver. We would gather supplies and try to stay away from big areas while finding a suitible location for safety. Although I don't really care for the "cloak & dagger" tactic. If I want to blow something up, I'm gonna blow something up! I didn't call myself The Master of Disaster for nothing!

[Faran Brigo]

My guess is I'd be what I'd have to be.

I'd probably start alone, find a small group of capable people ASAP, and if there's a possibility to eventually start pushing the zombies back, well, a huge army isn't necesarily a bad idea in that case. Wouldn't we all basically constitute a (relatively) huge anti-zed army anyways?

[retro zombie killer]

I need a small group with me because I have a kid. But I too don't want to draw to much attention to myself by anybody doing something stupid. I can't afford any f**k ups because something happens to me, my daughter is screwed and something happens to my kid I'll end up pissed off and crazy.

[vortec1]

I need a small group with me because I have a kid. But I too don't want to draw to much attention to myself by anybody doing something stupid. I can't afford any f**k ups because something happens to me, my daughter is screwed and something happens to my kid I'll end up pissed off and crazy.

Well with the people around you. There should be no question on who you could trust. Keep your eye's open!

[retro zombie killer]

Actually what worries me is snipers. We'll probably end up going to my brothers because thats where my folks will want to go and I wouldn't let them go alone. The thing is getting there. It's a three hour drive so if we take the back roads and their clear and Marshall Law hasn't been declared.. First I have to get over to my parents house and then get to my brothers.

[Zombie Survivor]

Somewhere between "moving in the shadows" and "something is going to kill me" :-(

[Augustus Desius]

Somewhere between "moving in the shadows" and "something is going to kill me" :-(

Quoted for truth.

I think I would likely be in the same category.

[dualshock71]

Quoted for truth.

I think I would likely be in the same category.

Same here. Anyone with "gun's blazing" will be dead in a day or so; it's the safe bet.

[hatefuldisplay]

Small groups are the way to go in an all-out balls to the wall zombie outbreak. You can watch your people better, need smaller amounts of transportation if you go that way, need smaller areas to hide out in, need to locate smaller amounts of equipment.... The list goes on and on.

Once a permanent base of operations could be established, one might have less risk with a larger group but only if it was properly monitored.

[Moonbutterfly7]

Cloak and dagger is the way to go I think. I know you think you want to be a badass and be guns blazing, but I think that get you in more trouble than anything. I would attack zombies with a ninja like stealthiness or trick them to follow me and than with a group attack them.

I would actually like to try to invent traps and things of that nature.

[ZombiesAteMyDog]

what about guns a blazing with a small group of focused people who know what they are doing well , and with a smaller group you could go either way, guns a blazing or cloak and dagger depending on what the situation calls for.

guns a blazin with a large group of idiots = smorgasboard

cloak and dagger, all sneaking and no action = easier for something to sneak up behind you and eat your ass.

guns a blazing with a few people you know you can trust = the way to go

[Barbara]

I'll probably end up a loner with the heart of gold lol :)

[Moonbutterfly7]

what about guns a blazing with a small group of focused people who know what they are doing well , and with a smaller group you could go either way, guns a blazing or cloak and dagger depending on what the situation calls for.

guns a blazin with a large group of idiots = smorgasboard

cloak and dagger, all sneaking and no action = easier for something to sneak up behind you and eat your ass.

guns a blazing with a few people you know you can trust = the way to go


I guess that wouldn't be a bad idea I might mix it up a little if it were me. But I'm totally into making traps therefore I can eliminate a group of zombies without too much ammo use.

[dead and loving it]

I can't believe that everyone in a large army would be an idiot. I'll start with a large group. Hopefully I can hook up with a smaller faction of people who know what they are doing, as the morons are weeding themselves out.

[Hitman]

what about guns a blazing with a small group of focused people who know what they are doing well , and with a smaller group you could go either way, guns a blazing or cloak and dagger depending on what the situation calls for.

guns a blazin with a large group of idiots = smorgasboard

cloak and dagger, all sneaking and no action = easier for something to sneak up behind you and eat your ass.

guns a blazing with a few people you know you can trust = the way to go

I'm planning on taking this one step further . a small well trained group , guns a blazin , but very stealthy . all the guns I plan on using are of the "quiet " veriety and a good # are full auto.

[Iron Knuckles]

I'm banking on quiet but if my backs against the wall and I think its a no win situation then I'll go out like The Alamo, take as many with me as I can.

[vortec1]

I'm going to keep it quite and low profile.

[Boozbie]

I'll probably end up a loner with the heart of gold lol :)

Hmm, "The Carebear Method" interesting


Id try to be like a LRRP team (Long Range Recon Patrol) swift and quiet they'd go into Cambodia and Laos for weeks there would only be 4 of them and they wouldn't draw any attention to themselves. Use hand weapons to ambush sentries when needed and when discovered just blast the living hell out of everything and run like hell

[Mygeeto]

my style depends on where i am at the time, and what is available to me

[zephyr]

my style is to engage at long range. I would gather as many people as possible, up to 25, all which can hit a piece of paper at 50 yards with at least a .22.
Ammo wasting is not my style. Making a ton of noise and attracting lots of attention is not my style. I'd stick to moving as stealthy as possible, with only a few shots every now and then.
I've aways been the "camper" type of guy, the dick on CS and DoD servers that camps in a corner and blows unfortunate people away with a newb cannon. We would only go "guns blazing" when confronted by masses of zombies, where no bullet is wasted, and even then, its semi-auto only.
So we'd be a heavy armed group, which moves very cautiously and carefully, and prefer to avoid action if possible, but engage only when you can't run away, but even then, careful, well placed shots instead of full auto shooting.

[hatefuldisplay]

my style is to engage at long range. I would gather as many people as possible, up to 25, all which can hit a piece of paper at 50 yards with at least a .22.
Ammo wasting is not my style. Making a ton of noise and attracting lots of attention is not my style. I'd stick to moving as stealthy as possible, with only a few shots every now and then.
I've aways been the "camper" type of guy, the dick on CS and DoD servers that camps in a corner and blows unfortunate people away with a newb cannon. We would only go "guns blazing" when confronted by masses of zombies, where no bullet is wasted, and even then, its semi-auto only.
So we'd be a heavy armed group, which moves very cautiously and carefully, and prefer to avoid action if possible, but engage only when you can't run away, but even then, careful, well placed shots instead of full auto shooting.Just team up with the rest of Delta Force and you'll be good to go. Games and reality differ greatly. I'm sure we'd all love to be the type of person you talked about here during an outbreak and gather a team of equally skilled individuals, but in reality only a small percent of people out there (even those with training) fit that mold and would stand up under pressure. I've seen veteran soldiers fake illnesses and come up with numerous excuses to avoid combat deployments. Why would their level of cowardice be any different in a zombie outbreak. Just my thoughts. I'm not trying to be an uber-prick.

[ZombieFreeWorld]

I would go with a more tactical based team. Swift and silent. go in get what i need and get out. No need to kill every zombie in my path. i would stick with a team of 10 men( or women) move in take out any infected in my path that would deter the mission and keep it moving.

[3xmortis]

i would do what 'andy' does on dawn of the dead remake. barricade myself in a fully stocked gunshop and blast zeds away from the safety of my roof top until i die of starvation, or just get bored with life and eat my own gun. ahhh. that would be the life. :drinking:

[ZombieFreeWorld]

i would do what 'andy' does on dawn of the dead remake. barricade myself in a fully stocked gunshop and blast zeds away from the safety of my roof top until i die of starvation, or just get bored with life and eat my own gun. ahhh. that would be the life. :drinking:

You could just lock yourself in a costco...costco around my way sells guns as well. so that would be a nice food and ammo store lol

[Godzilla_Rules]

I would find a house that is gated. Like a mansion surrounded with a brick fence and an iron gate. i will grow my own food and raise some chickens and be self sustaining while the zombies are on the other side of the wall away from me :).

[MobileDeceased]

definitly be one of those people who would beleive that the zombies are going to kill me. I would hold up somewhere i could and be done with it. Live as long as i can and always have one bullet for myself.

[UrsNil]

That one is a pretty hard choice....
I chose the cloak and dagger. But really, stickin' with a big army would give a better chance of surviving because the zombies have to go through more people to get to me, and those people got guns. Anyway, the last choice(somethings gonna kill me) is NOT smart! At least go down swingin! But thatts just me...cuz im awesome.

[DofS]

I'd choose gunz blazing army because zombies can see you more in the dark than you can see them.

[doctorsatan]

me personanly i would go stealth or even better i would use my good old m21 and snipe.:machgun2:

[retro zombie killer]

me personally i would go stealth or even better i would use my good old m21 and snipe.:machgun2:

Just be careful who your shooting. One of my biggest fears is getting shot by a sniper by mistake. Not saying you would make such a mistake but you never knew what'll happen when it dark out and you hear a noise and see a shadow moving so you take aim and --.

[mass casualty]

Pease through superior firepower, SHHH I’m hunting zombie rabbits.

[blaje]

My style would be a relatively large group, that goes out and systematically exterminates the threat. Similar to the police in Notld. we'd be organized and efficient, maybe on Atv's rather than on foot in case situations get hairy.

[DarthJoe8]

I think guns blazing with a large group (safety in numbers) and then when that goes to shit (which we all know it will) cloak and dagger it to the hills. Stay out of the populated areas.

:drinking:

[Dave_Dunwoody]

Man, I'd be as quiet as possible and just avoid rotters when I could. If I had to deal with 'em, I'd try to be just as quiet - blades and bludgeons. Last thing you wanna do in an undead world is stand out. ;)

[Zombie Buffet]

Exactly. Silence all the way. Blades and a trusty bat at my side to deal with any undead threat. There's no way I'd want to ring the dinner bell announcing my presence. :scare:

[stonyman65]

the way I see it, there will be so many of them, that noise won't be an issue because they are everywhere.

I would be in a small group. fast moving, heavily armed. Also, highly trained. like a "Special Ops Zombie Unit) or SOZU.

Since everyone I know (including me) have at least police level training in firearms and tactics, we should be pretty well off.

the more people, the slower you move
the slower you move, the more likely your going to be zombie meat.

[Seway]

I would be really quiet. Get to the location of interest, than start a new life. That's it. I would avoid confrontation as much as i could.

[UseYourHeadCutOffTheirs]

I'm not up for confrontation at all. Peace, love, harmony, and togetherness!:)

But no I'm sure I'd be so afraid of my own shadow, that I probably would avoid getting anywhere near a zombie at all costs. If I found a big group of people, I would no doubt join them. The safety in numbers thing would give me a false sense of security, letting me keep some sanity.

If there was no big group I would still be more than happy to have one or two people at least with me.

I just really don't think I could be alone during an outbreak. My mind plays tricks on me and I would probably scare myself to my grave.

Then again who knows, maybe I will turn into the female Rambo and go apeshit on all the zombies. We just never know what we will do until we become in that situation.

[Jimmy]

Cloak and Dagger of course. :evil:

[fester_hicks]

This cat is gonna be going STEALTH NINJA for the timebeing!

[mattifikation]

I went with cloak and dagger. Big groups are just a time bomb waiting to explode. Small groups: same thing, they just have longer fuses.

Not that I'd cut off all human contact, but a person would have to be reaaaally impressive to win my trust.

[Zomby Woof]

There are advantages and disadvantages to both large and small groups. Either way, I think it’s important to go quietly. Another important thing is to resist the idiot’s urge – killing zeds for the sake of killing zeds. As I see it, fighting zeds only increases your own risk. Therefore, in most instances it should be avoided.

[fester_hicks]

I guess i wont know my style until it really comes down to it!

[Headless Lynx]

I didn't really go for any of them because I would ghost the lot of them at night with machete or a very sharp shortsword. lol :evil:

All guns blazin is probably for the kind of operation you would go for if you're on a mission to destroy all zeds.:machgun2::zom2::saw:

[fester_hicks]

join a gang of asian ninja women and live the sweet life

[Barbara]

Ok, I need a white mage, a theif, ninja, and a red-headed fighter.....

[fester_hicks]

my style.... run and hide.. shoot when neccessary.

[Lian]

My style will be whichever one best ensures my survival.

[john154]

Load up my associates with everything in my closet that goes bang. Give them what training we have time for. Don't attempt a road move with less then two 4x4s trucks.

Drive as far as possible. Dismount and move stealthily on foot. We'd only go loud if out of other options then break contact ASAP and attempt to resume a stealthy move.

[RogueAI]

I'll pick up all the survivors I see. It'll be a medium sized group though, because I'll occasionally use people for bait to distract the zombies. Either "Hey, I've got an important mission for you", or just shooting someone in the knees if I am feeling extremely persuasive.

By the way, anybody wanna group with me? :evilgrin:

[mattifikation]

I'll pick up all the survivors I see. It'll be a medium sized group though, because I'll occasionally use people for bait to distract the zombies. Either "Hey, I've got an important mission for you", or just shooting someone in the knees if I am feeling extremely persuasive.

By the way, anybody wanna group with me? :evilgrin:

You do realize that your group will probably turn on you, take your stuff, and either kill you or leave you for dead if you screw them over that often?

[RogueAI]

(In reality I wouldn't do this, though I fully believe it is possible.)

You do realize that your group will probably turn on you, take your stuff, and either kill you or leave you for dead if you screw them over that often?

I was being halfway sarcastic. However, you do overestimate the will of human beings and underestimate the urge to conform. People in unfamiliar situations without people they know and can count on (refuges from WWZ) are extremely easily manipulated and indoctrinated. Once a small cult is already going, the will to conform will aid in the indoctrination process. Since their current life is hopeless and a small (or large) part of their mind believes a zombie will eventually kill them the after life is all they have to live for. If you tell them they are guaranteed a great life after death if they sacrifice themselves for the group then in their mind it is a great day.

Now, I agree that sane people would kill me and take my stuff. Indoctrinated followers, however...

[Lazerbeak]

I would laaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lowwwwwwwwwwwwww for at least the first week of the zombie invasion; let things work themselves out and see what my new life will be like. It would take a while to get used to the shock of having civilization ripped away.
Are the zombies fast or slow? Fast ones require a diffrent plan from slow moving ones.
I'd want to group up with friends and neighbors for mutual defense at some point but I'd wait a while until the dumba$$es out there manage to weed themselves out and get eaten or killed.
When supplies (or lack of them) force me to move I'd keep to rooftops, move slowly and have simple noisemakers to distract the undead (a coffee can with pennies in it would do the trick).
I'd also wear a shirt that says "Alive! Do not shoot" in hopes that snipers will not pop me.

[surviveordie]

i would have to say i would do all of them. i would be cloak and dagger during the first of the outbreak, then after about 2 weeks after the outbreak i would start looking for survivors and fixing up my super sweet safe house. after i had a small group i would build my forces. and then take back the land with a huge army of kick ass freedom fighters around 2 months later

[VXTip556]

i'd start out guns blazing, go to the local gun shop where i know more guns will be blazing, and probably head towards the nearest military bases to group up with trained military, if theres gonna be a fight it might as well start strong, none of that wait for everybody to die and become zombie bull shit. if shit hits the fan we gotta shit right back

[jagus12]

Ill go with a group of 10 people with some melee weapons, killing some zombies that are in little groups, but if things get bad, grab your AKs, and start kicking some rotted asses!!!!

:zom2::saw::machgun2::zom2:

[jim96sc2]

I'm gonna go guns blazing and grab as many people as I can, organize as fast as I can, and start stomping some skulls in as quick as I can while being safe. Faster we contain the problem the quicker the problem gets solved and the more people I can to solve it with.

[mdubs09]

avoid contact whenever is possible, stay away from civilization, you dont really need anything we rely on today, go live in the woods, the only thing you really NEED from town would be medicine and rounds for hunting, hell ive been fishing for 15 years so that might even eliminate the reliance on guns for hunting if i was stuck in the right area

[Umbrela]

Seeing as the people who go in guns-a-blazin' are typically the first ones eaten, I would play it nice and quiet.

[DemonChild]

Are the zombies fast or slow? Fast ones require a diffrent plan from slow moving ones.

You're right, the fresher zeds may be fast as all hell. But after the first week or two, that's not gonna be a problem. Decay occurs fairly rapidly when in an exposed environment, and I seen an adult white-tailed deer decay in 7 days with only a lil' meat left. But considering that these are moving, we're going to have to wait till at least a moderate onset of rigor has occurred. This way, they'll be slow, lumbering husks of what once were ultra-fast, carnivorous, cannibalistic corpses with homocidal tendencies. The newer (forgot what year in which it was made) DOTD is a good example of what I'm talking about. Those guys were friggin' rabid lookin', until about a week or two had past, and almost all food had been exhausted, then they were slow, because simply put, no more munchies meant no more running. Then rigor could set in a little more easily on our stinking acquaintances, they slowed down, and were much easier to take out/evade/hide from. :) I feel so smart right now.

Now for my plan. I'd lay low for about a month to make sure that all the stiffs were a lil' bit stiffer, so I could just walk by and tease them, not that I'd take that risk. I'd most likely highjack a small car, pick up my 3 friends who have more weapons than me and my GF (if they're infected I'd just ghost them and steal their loot), bring him to my house (which I'm actually in the process of fortifying right now), close the outer and inner gate, lock the locks, drop the bolt, fire up the genny, and occasionally poke out the top to see how many are there. If they're thin in numbers, I'll go on scavenging runs, If there are too many, I'll just wait till they get bored or whatever and go away. I'll most likely stay in the shadows, ninja style, and with scarce use of guns. I'd just use my crossbow when I had to, cuz even it makes sufficient noise to catch the attention of Deadles over there. I'd most likely try to avoid any contact, and only go melee when I had to. I can't say much about my friends though... :x I gotta rethink this.

[Dave Of The Dead]

If you think about it, after zombies have been around a while, they are going to be weak as hell. Every time you do some sort of physical activity, your muscles rip and repair to become stronger. But since zombies cant heal, they just wear away their muscle mass within weeks.

Anyway, I'll stick with my small group and try and stay as far away from the large battles and groups as possible. We'll probably be nomads still, though.

[DemonChild]

you're right. But I'd hide like a scared rat with my two crazy ass friends and my GF until they got a bit slower.

[JakAttak]

just asking is going gillie and sneaking around Z's with a sniper rifle taking occasional shots to drive toward a place where a team will eliminate them count as "cloak and dagger"

[Dave Of The Dead]

just asking is going gillie and sneaking around Z's with a sniper rifle taking occasional shots to drive toward a place where a team will eliminate them count as "cloak and dagger"

As a person, yes. As a group, no.

[JakAttak]

:cry:so you wouldn't invest in a covert sniper team.

[Dave Of The Dead]

so you wouldn't invest in a covert sniper team.

Snipers aren't covert when the zeds can hear the direction you're shooting from.

[JakAttak]

but snipers can move silently and open up from another area that would confuse them.

[Dave Of The Dead]

but snipers can move silently and open up from another area that would confuse them.

Not really, I'm pretty sure they would just head to the closest one.

[JakAttak]

and with a gillie suit a snipers practically invisible.

[Dave Of The Dead]

and with a gillie suit a snipers practically invisible.
but they still make the slightest noises and they still smell like fresh flesh

[JakAttak]

but snipers would still be valuable as support and against other humans

[Dave Of The Dead]

true, but only because they already are

[JakAttak]

I mean who else can hit a Z head at 600 yds. not you

[DemonChild]

yeah, good point. But, that is *if* you can spot them before they can get too close.

[JakAttak]

won't be hard they don't really try to conceal themselves.

[Dave Of The Dead]

won't be hard they don't really try to conceal themselves.

But I hope you got eyes in the back of your head... and of the sides for that matter.

[JakAttak]

I'd have more snipers on my platform not just me

[Hitman]

Snipers aren't covert when the zeds can hear the direction you're shooting from.


if the snipers have silencers and are shooting subsonic ammo , there is a very god chance the zeds would never hear them. with super sonic ammo it would confuse the zeds as they would hear the sound from every where.

I was at a range last fall and some guys shooting at the far end of the line wondered what I was shooting as the sound of the bullet made more noise than the gun. from 25 yards away the gunshot was hardly noticeable .this was with the bullet flight going away from them , I've heard incoming and its utterly confusing. they though I was shooting .22lr when I was shooting full power .223 full auto. they couldn't even hear the .22lr subsoinc fired through the can.

[Faran Brigo]

That bit about hearing the sound coming from all over the place makes me think maybe in high density urban areas perhaps making a lot of noise would be offset by the acoustic effects of all those buildings and alleys without other sounds to diffuse or drown them out. Or maybe it would just convey the sound better instead of making it more confusing. I'm not sure.

[Hitman]

the cool part is the bullets are moving faster than the speed of sound. that means that to the target/s ,the bullet is gone past them before the sound ever gets there. when the sound startes to arive its coming from 2 sides . with out the sound from the gunshot itself it is totaly confusing . subsonic rounds are even cooler. down range all you hear is the bullet impact. no sound before and none after.

I can only imagine that in a city with the hard surfaces to reflect the sound around the effect would be even worse.

[JakAttak]

bad part is if you're doing it right Z's won't be down range with you so they might hear a subsonic bullet

[Hitman]

bad part is if you're doing it right Z's won't be down range with you so they might hear a subsonic bullet


how would they hear it? the bullet makes almost on flight noise and from a few yards away a good setup is not able to be heard either. btw downrange is where the bullets are going .

[JakAttak]

It seems with all the high-tech bullet wizardry they do today people seem to have forgotten bullets move because of an explosion that plays a bit of a part in noise no?

[Hitman]

It seems with all the high-tech bullet wizardry they do today people seem to have forgotten bullets move because of an explosion that plays a bit of a part in noise no?

yes and no . thats where the suppresor comes in. and there is no high tech bullet wizardry . what makes the noise from a bullet if its under the speed of sound? why are arrows not increadably noisy? can you hear a baseball in the air from a few yards away?

[Dave Of The Dead]

A bullet makes a tiny sonic boom when fired without a silencer. The gas escaping behind the bullet is what propels the bullet out of the barrel. The silencer is basically an extension onto the barrel with a bunch of tiny hones drilled into the inside so the gas can escape and slow the bullet down below the speed of sound.

That's the average-Joe scientific explanation.

Am I right about this?

[JakAttak]

I dunno:drool:all I know is I can shoot what's best for hitting Z's at long range with little noise.

[Faran Brigo]

A bullet makes a tiny sonic boom when fired without a silencer. The gas escaping behind the bullet is what propels the bullet out of the barrel. The silencer is basically an extension onto the barrel with a bunch of tiny hones drilled into the inside so the gas can escape and slow the bullet down below the speed of sound.

That's the average-Joe scientific explanation.

Am I right about this?

Not quite. The "boom" heard when a gun's fired is the sound of the combustion gases quickly expanding as they leave the chamber when the bullet's expelled. A silencer slows down those gases and releases them in a controlled fashion to reduce the visible and audible signature of the bullet leaving the barrel.

The real disadvantage of a silencer is that precisely because it works on the gases, it's hard to find an economical one that can withstand sustained auto fire, but if you're trying to be stealthy, that doesn't really matter much I suppose.

[Hitman]

thats where higher grades of materials come into play such as inconel and SS . the can I designed for my M16 has held up to lots of back to back mag dumps , the major parts on the rifle will fail long before the silencer does from sustained fire.

Some guns do have holes drilled into the barrel to bleed of some of the pressure tohave the bullet leave the muzzle below the speed of sound. the MP5SD does this among a few others.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Okay, so I was partially right.

[JakAttak]

:drool: ummmmmm wait am I right or wrong about how things are silenced

[Darkness]

"How a gun works is NOT the topic of this thread. Please get back to the topic. Thank you." :naughty:

[JakAttak]

so yea concealed sniper that's me.

[Headless Lynx]

I've thought real deep into this several times before. In the case of a real zombie outbreak, small or big, would you REALLY do what you said you will do. Help family and friends and letting survivers into your group and trying to stay alive as long as you can BUT when the s**t hits the fan, would you do what you said you would do or will fear take the best of you OR will you be down right ruthless and uncontrolable?
I would. If it were to happen the only survivers who I would let live will be me, my dog and a really good friend of mine. Other than that, I would let everyone else die. Call me heartless and this may sound like a cliche but in the end it's survival of the fittest and you will do anything to survive.

[Faran Brigo]

I can honestly say no. The guilt would drive me nuts and I'd end up doing myself in as well.

[mattifikation]

I doubt there's a soul on earth who can accurately predict how they would behave. Anyone who claims otherwise is absolutely inexperienced at life. Our best bet is to make plans, so at least we know where we're going if we do decided to stick to them.

[bandits1]

I've thought real deep into this several times before. In the case of a real zombie outbreak, small or big, would you REALLY do what you said you will do. Help family and friends and letting survivers into your group and trying to stay alive as long as you can BUT when the s**t hits the fan, would you do what you said you would do or will fear take the best of you OR will you be down right ruthless and uncontrolable?
I would. If it were to happen the only survivers who I would let live will be me, my dog and a really good friend of mine. Other than that, I would let everyone else die. Call me heartless and this may sound like a cliche but in the end it's survival of the fittest and you will do anything to survive.
No attempt at saving even a single member of your immediate family? Parents, siblings, wife, kids?

I think the real question you should be asking us is: "Do you get along with your family? I don't.".

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah seriously. I left my family 2 days after I turned 18 and went to live with my girlfriend, now my fiance. The people that I would group up with all live with/ around me. My fiance, her brother, along with my friend and his boyfriend all live within a few blocks. We have a cache of weapons between all of us and the rest of the soon to be in-laws living around us have more guns than I can remember. Yeah, I think I would try and keep us as a group, and would probably deny shelter for anyone else because I'm not very trusting in the first place.

[Lian]

In most people's cases they don't know themselves well enough to know what they'd do till they find themselves in such a situation. Myself I'd say I'd simply do what I felt I had to at the time. Nothing more and nothing less.

If I felt I had to save the family. I'd do that.

If I felt I had to abandon the family to survive. I'd do that.

If I felt I had to kill someone close to me to survive. I'd do that.

I try not to worry about it. I do what I feel is necessary and worry about the consequences later. Play now, Pay later. Having said that, I'm a survivor, I won't give up till I'm six feet under, and even then I won't go easy. It's all scenario dependent, and all plans are subject to change.

[Faran Brigo]

I doubt there's a soul on earth who can accurately predict how they would behave. Anyone who claims otherwise is absolutely inexperienced at life. Our best bet is to make plans, so at least we know where we're going if we do decided to stick to them.

I had a two week guilt trip once for snapping at my (ex) girlfriend's sister, and they both let it go like, 3 days after the fact. When I said I would feel intense guilt, I wasn't pulling it out of my butt.

[mattdettorre123]

I would welcome anyone who was willing to follow my lead to come with me, and help provide for the group. Family, friends, anyone but I also wouldn't hesitate to deal with people who got in our way of survival.

[Headless Lynx]

No attempt at saving even a single member of your immediate family? Parents, siblings, wife, kids?

I think the real question you should be asking us is: "Do you get along with your family? I don't.".
I do get along with my family except my step dad. BUT in an outbreak, there will only be two people I could trust, myself and my friend. My dog, well, she's too stupid to turn on me and besides, if any zed gets near my dog then i'll make sure that the zed is spread across the pavement/sidewalk. It's pretty simple when it comes to meeting survivors really, kill them first before they kill YOU.

[mattdettorre123]

Hmm, I will remember this if we ever cross paths in the PAW. Because what good is another gun on your side right, make sure you carry some useful items that I can loot from you after we meet, kthnxbye:roll:

[toe_tag]

Aww, man! My style isn't close to being up there. I'm going to be a loner for a while, latch onto some gun-toting freaks, let them thin out the zombeh population a little... then I'd venture out to a more rural setting, maybe with a few cool survivors in tow, set up a self-sustainable environment and get back to the earth a bit. I'd come into town occasionally to get some more shizz, catch up with the gun toting freaks again if they haven't killed each other. Maybe get a dog.

[JakAttak]

sounds like my retirement plan.

[toe_tag]

sounds like my retirement plan.

Aww, man! You're right. My survival plan sounds so boring...

[Rogers120]

Large Group of People= Stupid, Panicky and Stupid:drool:

Small Group of People= Not as Stupid, Not as Panicy and Not as Stupid:clap:

[bhk2000]

after thinking about what i would do and what others have said, i dont think i would have to balls to just drop everything and leave my house. i have a wife and a baby so it would be more trouble to look for someplace safer than to just hold up at home. i live in an apartment complex with a number so sub buildings (4 apartments to each building 2 on each floor). i would probably invite my nabors on the first floor to come up to my apt then baracade the staires. i live in a small town with the next major city 20 miles away and every person here in Idaho own guns anyway so i dont think we'd get it as bad as some of the other cities.

[secretcog]

I'd like to think I would be "cloak and dagger." Truth is, there's no certainty to what I will become at that point in time.

[Panther7]

i would defietly travle in a small group and work as a tight unit "the professinal survies where the action junkie dies"
-Me

[Trumble0]

IDK as though I fully agree with little or no gun usage if you have access to one... call me dumb or whatever... but I have a shooting area about 100 yards from my house and theres a shooting area acrossed the road in the complete opposite direction thats about 500 yards away, and pretty much everyone not with me has a hard time triangulating where the sound is coming from, it's not as though, *Bang* that shot came from the east about 400 yards away... although I haven't had advanced military training or what not in detecting snipers/where a firefight is going on when I'm a distance away. I doubt your average citizen could, I'm not sure if zombies have animal-like senses or if they're just that of a human, but the Human ear isn't really the design of an ear for scanning of sound like most animal ears. So IDK if the zombies would know where to go, I'm sure they'd hear the shots but I think they'd be lucky to be able to tell exactly where the shots came from if you weren't within sight... if you'eve ever fired a gun, trees, buildings, hills and any object reflect the sound of the shot in seemingly arbitrary directions, though I know there is a science behind soundwaves.

[stark55]

i would get as many of my friends as possible. people i can work with. my self a blade is familiar to me but when i do get a gun that will become just as much of an extension of my body as my blades are now. i dont think i would be useing it as much as other weapons for ammo preservation and stealth. but when i have a group of zeds that are close together im not running into there arms for a few extra bullets.
:zom2::zom2::zom2:
:guns: :zom2::zom2::zom2:
:zom2::zom2::zom2:

[secretcog]

I like this thread. My style will be the same as it is now: parent. Add hordes of Zeds, and hand me a weapon, and I become: parent! Ummm....I guess I won't be much different now will I?

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[jagus12]

No doubt, cloak and dagger with a small group... Guns a blazin' with a huge army would be way too ****ing stupid, atracting zombies and wastin ammo...

[Dr Frankenstein]

I'm all about the well armed small group, ideally 4-6, with the stereotypical members of the group involving:

*one caucasian woman (driving and flying experience necessary),
*one african american chap (smooth talking, good in a crisis situation. maybe has a grandfather or uncle who is a priest in haiti?),
*one religious nut (who would rather befriend a zombie and not kill it, but when forced to, will say a holy quote before shooting),
*a pacifist (killing is wrong, I'd rather be eaten),
*Sinister Evil Member (would appear to have a mixed agenda)
and finally
*The Comedic Good all rounder (Good with a gun, better with a pun, one liners at the ready)

But....... depending on the location, an army would do well, small open towns espcially. clean and sweep areas before moving on!!!!

[beyerwrestler]

Id be in a small group of friends and family who I now can handle themselves under pressure. Id probably be packing a .357 ruger and a 9mm since im a better shot with pistols than rifles unless auto :lol:. I wouldnt want to be in a huge group though, they attract more zombies :scare:.

If I was to have my way Id have my buds, family, and one of those hot athletic girls from my school to keep me company:). Also have a sh**load of explosives to blow stuff up:evil:

[Bob]

My team has been chosen for sometime.
Everyone has to be able to carry their own weight.
No freaking out and endangering the team.

We have a fall back location chosen.
We will need to add other survivors to be large enough to handle the roving gangs.
Choosing new members on the fly is going to be dangerous.
Everyone must be level headed and right minded, male or female.

[JakAttak]

I have serious trust issues so I'll have to know my team inside and out and the emotionless psycho would leave people behind to save my own ass

[Zombie Slayer]

I too would be picky and cautious when it came to choosing my group. Although I do have a good number of people already picked out, I would be weary of those we came across later on...it would really bother me to not feel safe and secure all because we picked up that one loner but on the other hand just leaving him/her behind would also mess with me seeing as how they were human just as my group and I were. I more than likely would get over it soon enough when I face reality and come to terms with the fact that I have a priority above all else...saving the lives of MY GROUP and MYSELF. Might sound selfish but it is what it is.

[VideoJunkie]

I've gotta go with a small group. My family, well some of my family, and a few friends that I know I can trust. I've already got plans for setting up our primary shelter. Out on re-supply raids it would be Cloak and Dagger for sure. Sneak in and grab what's needed with a minimum of gunplay. Near our shelter, though... :evil: Close to home it's going to be guns a blazin! I know alot of you are thinking that makes no sense!!! Why attract a bunch of Zeds to your home. Simple, I want to get that area cleared asap! I'm not just talking about the thousands of rounds we're going to be raining on zack's parade. We've also got access to a lot of heavy equipment and we're going to build large scale pit and trench traps. Lot's of noise to lure 'em in, and let 'em fall into the traps. Once the trap fills up we add gas and a match. Zombie Flambé!! We keep digging new traps outside our fenceline, and bulldozing over the filled traps. Not as exciting as shooting Zack in the head from about 3 feet away. Not as stealthy as the long range sniper option. My plan isn't really all that cool or heroic. What it is (IMHO), is a workable solution to a huge problem. If the zombie movies I've seen haven't lied to me, the zombie population of the average mall would be enough to wipe out any shelter or base that relied on a combo of rifles and handguns for their defense. I've tried to devise a solution capable of dealing with huge hordes of the walking dead in a timely fashion. If, as I've been led to believe, the zombies are stupid and attracted to noise, I'm gonna spend a few hours welding a cage around a steam-roller. Then I'm gonna take a drive around the mall! Not pretty, but it should be effective. Need to have some backup, of course. In case of mechanical failure I'll be climbing on top of my cage waiting for my backup to swing in and save my ass. At the same time, other team members will be manning the trenches back at our base and keeping my daughter safe. That's why I say it's gotta be a group. I can't be everywhere at once, and it's not just my ass on the line. Like what's her name said,' It takes a village...' The main point I'm making is that the tactics or Syle I use are going to be fluid. They'll change based on location and circumstance and time of day/night. More important though, they'll change based on experience. If my plans turn out to not work, we'll adapt. We'll change our style until we figure out what really works.


After all, so far it's all just guess work. Ask me about my style about a year after Zack starts walking. I'll still be around, and I'll have the answers! Or I'll be a moaning puss bag that's trying to eat your brains, so you won't be able to point out that the last line sounded a bit arrogant:lol:. Either way I'm covered! :roll:

[Bob]

VJ
I was up that way a couple of weeks ago and there is a new building that has a tower looks to be roughly 3 stories high (the tower) way to much glass on the first floor but it is inside the main fence. I think the tower is decorative but I think we could rig enough flooring to support a sniper. I only have a tad over a thousand rounds of .308 so he / she would have to make their shots count. I mentioned a track hoe earlier because there is currently one across the highway. Getting ready to order the "makings" of another couple of thousand 45's next week. Biggest problem as I see it is going to be preserving all the fresh meat in the freezers. Most of the wood I can see in the general area is pine so smoking is going to be difficult.

[Zombia planner]

they dont even have my style on here but out of these i choose cloak and dagger.

[KyleStyle]

I would go cloak and dagger with a small group. If you are just trying to survive and not eliminate all zack then a small group will not attract as many zack (less noise). Also supplies will not be as much of a problem. You can choose only a select few people you trust and I think being more intelligent about killing zack will be a lot more efficient even though guns blazing may sound really cool.

[Bob]

Depending on your local gangs supplies might be a major problem right from the rip.

[homelitexl]

cloak and dagger till i get a hold of a tank or a nuke

[kiltedninja]

I'd stick to cloak and dagger style tactics, I'd hit big groups of Zack, or clear one house/building, and then get out.

[Flesh Jester]

Something's going to kill me no matter what, so I might as well jump into the largest crowd of zombies I find, Kill off as many of them as I can, and have as much fun as I possibly can while I can. :lol:

[J Dub]

Something's going to kill me no matter what, so I might as well jump into the largest crowd of zombies I find, Kill off as many of them as I can, and have as much fun as I possibly can while I can. :lol:


defeatist dude, you can do better than you think.

you signature is missing some bits and pieces, this is how i've heard it :lol:

here i sit, broken hearted.
paid a dime, and only farted.
yesterday i took a chance.
saved a dime and shat my pants.

:)

[homelitexl]

listen up you primitive screwheads this is my BOOMSTICK!!!

[kiltedninja]

I'm not talking about a literal cloak and dagger, I'd use ambush and hit and run tactics, Guerilla tactics you know? Because the army of undead outnumbers us, guerrilla tactics are the best for that sort of situation.

I'd take a rifle, like my M1A or Enfield, and hit the targets at longer range, picking off as many as I could from 150 yds or so, and then move, and keep doing the same over and over again, getting close only if I have to.(supply runs)

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'll be with the cloak and dagger group. We'll stay locked up until we run out of food and hit small places nice a quick. Grab just enough to last us till the next run and go back to lock ourselves back up in our HQ.

[bandits1]

I'm not talking about a literal cloak and dagger, I'd use ambush and hit and run tactics, Guerilla tactics you know? Because the army of undead outnumbers us, guerrilla tactics are the best for that sort of situation.

Yessir, no point in taking out every single zombie you see...unless your goal is to win the war single-handedly. Limit yourself to killing only the ones you absolutely need to to keep you and your group relatively safe and get to where you need to go.

[Bob]

As much as VJ and I believe in taking the fight to Zack discretion generally is the way to go.

[The Voice Of Desperation]

I'd probably join some sort of guerilla force like the past few posts suggested ed. I would keep with them untill I could find some of my family or friends. (or the military)

[Tomeh]

I'd have a small group, wouldn't want to attract to much attention to myself or the few others that i'd have with me. Might get a larger group later on if I could make it work.

[TeeK]

I personally would be all about the traps and explosives! :drinking::shotg:

[kiltedninja]

Punji stakes and snares won't have the same effect on Zack as it does on other animals.

[hotlead]

The biggest problem with boobie traps and rigged explosives is that they don't discriminate between hostiles and friendlies.

A tiger pit probably won't kill a zombie, just immobilize him, whereas you stand a good chance of killing another survivor.

An IED or mine field probably won't be too effective against zombies either, but they'll be extremely effective against any people that happen upon them.

IMO, traps and explosives are bad ju-ju to the cause when the stenches rise.

[kiltedninja]

Plus, if you're not careful, you could trip your own landmine.

[Bob]

Now that would suck, to plant so many landmines you forget where they all are.

[kiltedninja]

That's why stoners shouldn't play with landmines.:lol:

[Bob]

Amen to that...

[homelitexl]

what about those of the noble breed of town drunk.:lol:

[kiltedninja]

I'm sorry homelite, but they're not allowed to have explosives either.

[slayer1222]

That's why stoners shouldn't play with landmines.:lol:

i will play with all the landmines i want

[Birdman44]

I would love me some mines, would be a great warning sign when you here one go boom from either raiders or zombies :lol:

[mattifikation]

Trip wires tied into grenade pins would do better than land mines. Land mines can only kill the unlucky, trip wires will catch any zombie that crosses your perimeter. They're too dumb to avoid them, after all.

Plus, if you trip a zombie, it would probably take it awhile to get back up again. Especially if it's muscular system was heavily damaged by shrapnel. I know zombies don't feel pain, but they are still subject to simple mechanics.

[kiltedninja]

That reminds me of something I said once to my friend.

We were wondering why we were such zombie fans while watching the 90's remake of NOTLD, right at the beginning, when that man is tripped by the zombies. My response to his question was 'maybe because they're jujitsu masters!'

Now, back onto my style and stuff.
I think that just putting a pole sideways about a foot high, in front of a deep trench would suffice. After they fell into the hole, you could kill them and roast them.

[Onslaught]

Now that would suck, to plant so many landmines you forget where they all are.

that's the great part. They're zombies! you don't need to hide the mines at all. heck mark them with big red "X"es or flags if you want. the zombies will just bumble right into them anyway.

I just hada thought about tiger pits and such.

you could theoretically rig a hallway or similar choke point with no floor (preferably with a several story drop, maybe some rebar cast into the floor) and some monkey bars running overhead. Any human wishing to gain entry simply has to use the monkey bars but the zombies will just fall or avoid it. It could also be a decent way to screen for undesirable survivors as they would be busy and exposed while traversing the bars.

I'd still say that my style would be to sneak as quickly and quietly as possible while exposed while moving from place to place fortifying structures for later use as I went. Starting with house to house until I've cleared and secured all structures within an entire semi-rural subdivision.

[mattifikation]

what if your arm is injured and you need back into your base?

[Onslaught]

obviously that wouldn't be the only way in. And in any event, if you're setting up elaborate choke-point monkeybar traps, I'd suspect that you have help on the inside. A drawbridge wouldn't be a bad idea.

if the drop was deep enough though, you could theoretically kill off a whole horde that way.

[kiltedninja]

Have a roast every once in a while, and you've got a good idea there.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

I'm staying in the shadows with a silenced m21 sniper rifle, and a back up of two silenced mp5's on my sides, i'll also carry a m1911 silenced to.

[kiltedninja]

Why two Mp5s? Why not just one and a F--k ton of ammo?

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

lol i dnt know felt like having 2, but i do have a fudge ton of ammo

[Bob]

Do you mean MP5 or MP5K?

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

yea the HK MP5

[Bob]

You sure?
There is quite a difference.
If you are going with MP5s you might as well strap a M4 to each leg.

MP5
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1676/mp5a21895884.jpg


Even with a collapsible stock it is pretty big
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/3997/mp5proto1933749.jpg


I think this is what you meant

MP5K
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/5139/mp5k1910988.jpg

[CobbleR]

Title says it all. How useful do you think Parkour/Free Running would be in a zombie ridden world. If you don't know what Parkour/Free Running is I'll add some links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jquXcwooV6A
^^Bad music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEeqHj3Nj2c
^^Bad music
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1912685

In my own opinion something like this would be very situational. Perhaps if you run out of ammo, or need to retreat and can afford to drop your gear and take off, it would come in handy, but I'd like to see what you all have to say about it.

[Dark Gale]

Parkour is definitely a useful skill to have in a zombie outbreak, especially if you are stuck without an alternative mode of transportation.

(Also, Rise Against isn't bad music)

[hotlead]

Y'know, I didn't see too many old fat guys in those videos............I don't think that sort of thing is for me :eat:..........:puke:........:drool:

Also looks hard to do with a rifle and a ruck. Dropping my pack is a possibility, but I won't be any more mobile without my warbelt and rifle as would be with it,
so I'll just have to rely on shooting my way out :guns:............:zom2::zom2::zom2::zom2:

[Dark Gale]

Yah, you would have to be in great physical condition, and you'd have to know what your doing. Other than that, this would still be a great last resort to get out of a life or death situation.

[mattifikation]

Parkour yes, free running no.

There's a difference. Parkour is is about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible and overcoming any obstacles in your way. Free running is about running around doing gymnastics for the sake of looking good.

[Bob]

I'm with you Hotlead.
We could use those jumpy flippy guys to distract the Zed while we take care of business...

[J Dub]

:lol::lol::lol:
my money would be on the zombies

[hotlead]

Here we go again.

What does "free running" have to do with your style of killing zombies ?

[Necrolegion]

I'm sure that Parkor would be listed under guns a blazin, caus eyour trying to look flashy while you kill em'. free running on the other hand is useful for cloak and dagger stuff, avoiding zombies and such.

[Dark Gale]

I'm sure that Parkor would be listed under guns a blazin, caus eyour trying to look flashy while you kill em'. free running on the other hand is useful for cloak and dagger stuff, avoiding zombies and such.

Switch parkour and Free running. Free running is trying to be flashy, parkour is just getting from point A to point B as quickly as possible.

[Necrolegion]

my bad. my point is still there though!

[bandits1]

Title says it all. How useful do you think Parkour/Free Running would be in a zombie ridden world. If you don't know what Parkour/Free Running is I'll add some links.

In my own opinion something like this would be very situational. Perhaps if you run out of ammo, or need to retreat and can afford to drop your gear and take off, it would come in handy, but I'd like to see what you all have to say about it.
It would come in handy in very specific situations, but since we all generally agree that we'd be dealing with slow-moving shamblers, I'd keep that stunting to an absolute minimum. Use only when direly needed. Too much risk of injury running up walls and jumping from heights.

[hotlead]

BTW, I never knew this was called "parkour" and just looked it up to see the differences between it and "free running".

Parkour was developed by a French Soldier named Raymond Belle, who was born in French Indo-China, started military training there, but left after the fall of Dien Bien Phu. He was some kind of fitness guru, and came up with this as a sort of ballance to aggressive martial arts focusing on competition and violent defence from an attacker, training for the flight part of "fight or flight".

Something strikes me as ironic...........leave it to a Frenchman to come up with a better way of running away.

[kiltedninja]

I never thought of it that way Hotlead. Being that I am very ninja-esque(sort of), parkour has been something I've looked into, and I guess you could say that I'm okay at it. I tend to look at things differently because of it.

I imagine that in a certain situation it could be useful.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

Something strikes me as ironic...........leave it to a Frenchman to come up with a better way of running away.

LMAO i agree there

[gama169]

Cloaks and shadows style. Sneak around, and kill ones that cross my path before they notice me.

[mattifikation]

Parkour would be great if you needed to get in and out of a town for some type of an emergency supply, and the roads were blocked. Like if you had a friend in bad need of some antibiotics or something.

Also, if you were being chased by the living variety of ZPAW antagonists.

[kiltedninja]

Or if you're trying to get into a building that is unreachable by regular means.

But, I'd not look at it as too much of an asset.

[Engimal]

Gunz ablazin!

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

So thanks to kiltedninja i know the exact definition of parkour, yet I knew what it was just didnt know it had a name. So i got a youtube last night and watched a few sweet videos over prakour...If you could do that carrying a small amount of supplies and a gun or 2, then you would be money to survive there aint no darn way nor darn zed gonna follow you doing that crazy shiat.

[CityOfChicago]

I'd prefer a small group of capable people. With this group I'd be bent on survival, plain and simple. So I'd look to avoid as many zeds as we could, kill only when threatened, and seek out a fortified location distant from large populations and try to wait it out in peace.

[uberchief]

Honestly I think that the only one style that you should really use. That style would be to use pistols-all you really need is a head shot, Eat and save canned goods-for they will never waster, get sleep-from known statstics zombies have a low probability rate of eating you while your dead, don't over stay at a location-you need to keep a move on zombies won't just come to you, excersize and train in the mean time-staying in shape is a huge factor in survival, and DON'T FORGET THE ZOMBIES MAY BE GONE FOR NOW-but the virus lives on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ZedHunter]

My god. No comment.

I'd be using guns..only if they call for it. If theres only 1 or 2, I wont use them. I can kill them quietly without a loud boom.

[Dark Gale]

Honestly I think that the only one style that you should really use. That style would be to use pistols-all you really need is a head shot, Eat and save canned goods-for they will never waster, get sleep-from known statstics zombies have a low probability rate of eating you while your dead, don't over stay at a location-you need to keep a move on zombies won't just come to you, excersize and train in the mean time-staying in shape is a huge factor in survival, and DON'T FORGET THE ZOMBIES MAY BE GONE FOR NOW-but the virus lives on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you so much Captian Obvious, for telling everyone what they already ****ing know. And there's no need to quite Max Brooks, especially in caps, since most of what he writes doesn't make sense anyway.

[weirdo785]

i would have a silenced semi automatic rifle pistol and a machete and maybe take a shotgun just incase....:evil: and bust some zombies up ! XD

[CAVU45]

i would have a silenced semi automatic rifle pistol and a machete and maybe take a shotgun just incase....:evil: and bust some zombies up ! XD

So, how much ammo you plan on carrying for all that firepower?

[kiltedninja]

Also, have you new guys ever read any sort of survival manual, or had any other experience other than reading the ZSG? That book was a fun read, but most of it is crap.

Read some other material, get experience, and then talk.

My style's going to be surviving, whatever I can do to stay alive.

[Dark Gale]

Also, have you new guys ever read any sort of survival manual, or had any other experience other than reading the ZSG? That book was a fun read, but most of it is crap.



Exactly, you can get everything from that book in any regular survival guide. All Max did was add some common sense you would get from watching a few zombie movies, and he even did that poorly.

[ZedHunter]

Its more common sense than anything.
Loud noise= more unwated attention.
Smoke=unwanted human attention.

I could go on, but I'm sure people who know what they are talking about get the idea.

[homelitexl]

im gonna be on a room top somewhere witha high powered rifle

[Dark Gale]

im gonna be on a room top somewhere witha high powered rifle

Whatever happened dot running around with a bunch of chainsaws?

[homelitexl]

thats only in the begginig or when im battleing a smaall group of them otherwise im gonna snipe them

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, a lot of people say they are going to do this and that and be a hero. But really, most of us are going to bunker down in our homes or someplace safe in the immediate area. I'll be taking a small group, and I mean VERY small group, to a warehouse that isn't very far away. Between scavenging for supplies and defending the HQ, we'll probably just be sleeping or playing Dungeons and Dragons or some shit.

[bandits1]

Yeah, a lot of people say they are going to do this and that and be a hero. But really, most of us are going to bunker down in our homes or someplace safe in the immediate area. I'll be taking a small group, and I mean VERY small group, to a warehouse that isn't very far away. Between scavenging for supplies and defending the HQ, we'll probably just be sleeping or playing Dungeons and Dragons or some shit.
I think AD&D loses some of it's appeal when there are real-live flesh-eating zombies hanging out in your front yard. Kinda pointless in role-playing and rolling dice to kill fantasy zombies when you can step right outside and kill 'em for real.

[CAVU45]

Not meaning to be a prick, but I think most posting about what they would do haven't a clue. It's easy to "role play" while sitting comfy and warm and well fed tapping away on a keyboard. I doubt most have had to worry about where the next meal will come from let alone having to fight for that meal. Most have never had to worry about personal danger, let alone having to fight for their lives. Are there any who've had to worry about being attacked and possibly killed while sleeping? In reality I would wager that most on this board would be dead within the first two weeks in a true apocalyptic world.

[homelitexl]

1 shut up
2 you have no freakin clue what some of us have had to go through u aint us so u have no right to dis us llike that
3 when the zeds rise im gonna tie you to a fence post cover you bbq sauce and duct tape a grunge megtal tape while its playin to your forehead. now if you want ot play nice apologize

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think AD&D loses some of it's appeal when there are real-live flesh-eating zombies hanging out in your front yard. Kinda pointless in role-playing and rolling dice to kill fantasy zombies when you can step right outside and kill 'em for real.

Well I mean, if you enjoy roleplaying, then you could find comfort in just escaping to your own little world for a while.
As for your rant CAVU45, yeah I'm sure there are a lot of people on here that do exaggerate or completely make up their entire profile on here like their skills, age, and entire persona. But that will happen anywhere you go on the internet. Just take comfort that there are a select few on here that might have been through more than what they give. Don't be so critical about something that didn't even need to be pointed out.

[CAVU45]

1 shut up
2 you have no freakin clue what some of us have had to go through u aint us so u have no right to dis us llike that
3 when the zeds rise im gonna tie you to a fence post cover you bbq sauce and duct tape a grunge megtal tape while its playin to your forehead. now if you want ot play nice apologize

Seems like I struck a nerve with someone.
1. Piss off.
2. Never said I did know what others have been through. But it is fairly easy to spot those who've had some experience. I wasn't "dissing" anyone, simply pointing out the obvious.
3. I'll apologize when you suck the fungus from under my toenails.
Tie me to a fence post? Really? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org)



Dave, It wasn't a rant really. I wasn't being critical, simply pointing out what should have been obvious. Nor was I pointing out or reffering to anyones' claimed experiences. My post was geared more towards the storming the gates, mall ninja mentallity.

[homelitexl]

i understand its your just saying those with no experience will be screwed and sorry i was a bit tired when i said that so anyway your are right the nubes who didnt prepare are likely to die and the fungus comment was kinda retarded

[CAVU45]

i understand its your just saying those with no experience will be screwed and sorry i was a bit tired when i said that so anyway your are right the nubes who didnt prepare are likely to die and the fungus comment was kinda retarded

Pretty much that's it. I have no idea what anyones real experiences are, so I don't touch that. Like I posted, it's the mall ninjas and their katana swinging ways I was pointing out, so no worries. You didn't like the fungus comment? I thought it was kinda funny actually. Guess I'm gonna have to work on that one....

[ZedHunter]

I thought it was funny and disgusting. But, I still lol'd.

[bandits1]

Well I mean, if you enjoy roleplaying, then you could find comfort in just escaping to your own little world for a while.
.t.
My point is that there would no longer be too much difference between things that happen in an RPG wolrd and the real world at that moment...minus the magic spells and saving throws, of course. They make video games and horror movies about things that would be happening right on your doorstep.

It's like if z-day ever really happened, I wouldn't think too many folks would be that hyped about playing the next installment of Resident Evil coming out on the PS3, 4, or 5. See what I mean?

[Dave Of The Dead]

My point is that there would no longer be too much difference between things that happen in an RPG wolrd and the real world at that moment...minus the magic spells and saving throws, of course. They make video games and horror movies about things that would be happening right on your doorstep.

It's like if z-day ever really happened, I wouldn't think too many folks would be that hyped about playing the next installment of Resident Evil coming out on the PS3, 4, or 5. See what I mean?

:lol: yeah I see what you're saying. But remember, we're being attacked my zombies. I would still enjoy D&D as long as there aren't gnomes, catfolk, and elves running around. When that happens I'm going to say "**** this!" and join the fun.

[Bob]

I didn't see the harm in the statements.
Heck I bet many people here have not even had Boy Scout survival training.
It's ok though, yes the attrition ratio is going to be astonishing but some will survive. Just thinking about it in advance will give you a leg up on others.

The times to be the most careful are those when you most want to not be.
In the jungle, in the rain, missing the world, miserable as hell, you just want to hunker down and get stoned to make the time pass till it stops raining and daylight comes.


Oh the fungus thing was kind of disgusting...

[CityOfChicago]

I have to agree with CAV and Bob here. And not to de a d1ck, which so many of you apparently believe me to be, but to actually give some of you a bit of a jolt.

This forum is about the zeds, and we're talking 'bout the zombie apoc. But even in the realm of reality, there are events transpiring aropund the world and here at home that could easily propel many or all of us into some life-and-death sh1t. Not likely, but then again neither are three simulatneously hijacked planes flown into buildings.

Anyway, I don't want to stray too far lest Darkness descend upon me with all her furious cut-boob wrath. But there are a lot of very young people here, and a lot of people who don't have the expeience they think they have. Not meant to be disparaging or flame anyone, just want to, like I said, cause that momentary pause in everyone. Use this moment to reflect and figure out where your personal difficiencies are. Firearms skills, camping skills, mechanical skills, scavenging skills, ability to take orders or lead others, collection of supplies - whatever. Find those and address them so that, should the day come, you will not be a 'mall ninja' on a forum, but a real ninja.

Yes, I called you all ninjas. Now go sharpen your throwing stars, grasshoppers.

[kiltedninja]

My only useful skills really, can be amounted to three things.

I can think under pressure

I've been in a life or death situation before

I'm damn resilient.

Those, to me, are the most valuable skills in ZPAW ever, the ones that will serve you well in any sort of combat/survival situation. Being able to shoot a target at 500 yds is fine and all, but when most combat shooting takes place at less than 15yds, that's when you need to know if you're really the tough shit you say you are. I'm willing to bet that any of us, even the most skilled, could die if we weren't careful, then Ten years of SEAL training would amount to nothing when you forget to look that second time.

[homelitexl]

nuke them till they glow

[Bob]

Well you earned the right to talk smack to me so no prob.
also I am a dick.

I make no bones about my skills and survivability.
I expect to last approx 30 day once my meds are gone.
My primary function is to help my team get settled.
I keep trying to pass my skills on but it is so hard to get the younguns to listen much less learn.

It's shameful how many men and young boys can't even sharpen a knife or pitch a tent.

[CityOfChicago]

Well you earned the right to talk smack to me so no prob.
also I am a dick.

I make no bones about my skills and survivability.
I expect to last approx 30 day once my meds are gone.
My primary function is to help my team get settled.
I keep trying to pass my skills on but it is so hard to get the younguns to listen much less learn.

It's shameful how many men and young boys can't even sharpen a knife or pitch a tent.

No, no no. Not talking smack at all. Agreeing with you and CAV. Bandits, too. It's very easy to talk about long guns and chainsaws and CQB weapons when sitting at a keyboard in your parents house. Again, not trying to flame on ANYONE. My point is, and its the same as the others I've referenced have stated, that not many people have walked what they talk. And that's OK - everyone has to start somewhere. I'm saying, do a personal inventory - an honest one - and recognize your deficiencies. Can you build a shelter? Start a fire withe two sticks? Survive in the snow without a shelter? Hit the broadside of a barn with a gun? Do you know your capabilities with your firearms? Standing on the firing line and taking sweet aim is one thing. Can you bang out 10 fast pushups, sprint up a flight of stairs, down a flight, and hit a 6" steel target at 15 yards under time constraints? Again, what I'm saying is, test yourself, grow your skills, and get better.

Bob, whats amazing is that you and I agree on a lot of fundamental issues, yet somehow we get at each others throats.

[ZedHunter]

I know I'm not one whos saying I'm superman. I just have guns to protect myself. I hunt, so my accuracy isn't horrible, but can improve. I can pitch a tent easily..other than that I cant make a shelter. I can survive in snow..but without a shelter or heavy clothing, im screwed. But, I get what you're saying,COC.

[Darkness]

Can you build a shelter?
"Yes."

Start a fire withe two sticks?
"Yes."

Survive in the snow without a shelter?
"I know how to build a snow shelter."

Hit the broadside of a barn with a gun?
"Yes, and the skinny side as well." :)

Do you know your capabilities with your firearms?
"Yes."

Can you bang out 10 fast pushups, sprint up a flight of stairs, down a flight, and hit a 6" steel target at 15 yards under time constraints?
"Not any more, but I'm working on it." :)

[OVERKILL]

I have to agree with CAV and Bob here. And not to de a d1ck, which so many of you apparently believe me to be, but to actually give some of you a bit of a jolt.

This forum is about the zeds, and we're talking 'bout the zombie apoc. But even in the realm of reality, there are events transpiring aropund the world and here at home that could easily propel many or all of us into some life-and-death sh1t. Not likely, but then again neither are three simulatneously hijacked planes flown into buildings.

Anyway, I don't want to stray too far lest Darkness descend upon me with all her furious cut-boob wrath. But there are a lot of very young people here, and a lot of people who don't have the expeience they think they have. Not meant to be disparaging or flame anyone, just want to, like I said, cause that momentary pause in everyone. Use this moment to reflect and figure out where your personal difficiencies are. Firearms skills, camping skills, mechanical skills, scavenging skills, ability to take orders or lead others, collection of supplies - whatever. Find those and address them so that, should the day come, you will not be a 'mall ninja' on a forum, but a real ninja.

Yes, I called you all ninjas. Now go sharpen your throwing stars, grasshoppers.


Too late.
And about the PT, what kind of pushups, how many stairs and hit a steel plate with what?

[Bob]

COC

Sorry wasn't really saying you were talking smack to me.
I was more just saying it's ok if you do I can take it, I may return in kind or just say "frack you" but I won't cry and whine.


As for getting at each others throats that just goes to show how much alike we seem to be.

Let me ask a couple of real questions, do y'all carry shotguns or rifles in your cruisers?
I have a couple of LEO friends for whom the official carry is a shotgun but have personal rifles in the trunk. I may be confusing you with someone else but it seems that somewhere you said that y'all carry Sigs as sidearms, do you practice always firing the first shot double action?



Off subject, no implications or accusations just random observations...
You know it's funny how some people never really get the concept of just saying "frack you" when someone is good naturedly messing with you. People who are around me much learn it, it's just a way of saying "ok what ever I don't want to play right now" or "yea yea good one but I don't have a snappy come back right now and it's not worth the effort to come up with one". It's kind of like shooting a friend the "Bird" not a big deal, I have known people that waved that way. It kind of confuses strangers, I have had people that witnessed it go "Bob that guy just flipped you off" it leads to some amusing lies occasionally. When someone farts audibly you should always comment "all your people talk like that". Eventually they will say it back to you and that's when you get to say "only to you". Banter can be amusing and a way to pass time as long as you you remember to say "oh frack you" to end it when you are tired of playing or sometimes more importantly losing.

[Dave Of The Dead]

It's very easy to talk about long guns and chainsaws and CQB weapons when sitting at a keyboard in your parents house.

Hey, I resemble that remark! :lol: But only because I'm home for summer break.

Anyway, yes it is a shame that so many skills have been lost in the last generation or so but don't frown upon those who didn't want to learn, just smile at those who did. You never meet anyone who wants to fire a muzzle-loader anymore, let along construct one like my uncle does. You never see any REAL blades anymore, let alone see anyone who forges them like my ex-fiance's brother. There will always be someone you know carrying on some "dead trade," but those will be the ones with the most combines skills of all because those things require a whole tree of knowledge not just a small bit learned from a book.

[CityOfChicago]

Darkness-
You're hired!

Overkill-
10 regular pushups (on toes, to the ground), standard staircase, 15 yards steel on steel with a pistol of your choosing. There are many scenarios like this out there. Most are very simple, 15 yard sprint, drop and hit 10 pushups, back up draw and fire. The idea is to get the HR up and hands a bit shaky like if some adrenaline were flowing.

Bob-
we do not carry shotguns or rifles in the car. Department forbids them. In fact, by my departments standards I am not trained on either, though I am trained on both. What I mean is, our dept has its own 'training and authorization' protocols. You have to be in a special unit or on a district tactical team to be eligible to take the training. I work with a BUNCH of recently returned vets, and because they are in patrol and cant take the tests, they are not allowed to use either weapon. Its pretty dumb. I know some coppers in special units who I dont trust with a pistol, let alone an M4.

Also, our department only allows DAO or, recently added last year, striker fired pistols. Sig, Ruger, Beretta, and now Glock and Springfield XD. I have the Sig 220 as my regular sidearm, my 226 from the academy (only could have 9mm in academy), and carry a 2" Smith as my BUG on duty. The trigger pull on the Sig is rediculous - 9lbs and as long as the day. But I shoot it well, and when I can squirrel enough $$ from my wife, I'm getting the XD.

Dave-
You're right about skills. And I'm jealous of your summer break

[Bob]

Personally I prefer the Glock to the XD but that's just me.
The guy I shoot with likes XD's, to each their own.

Yea I can shoot the Sigs but don't much care for them.
Considering what the dang things cost the trigger is crap.

I can hardly believe you don't at least have an issue shotgun in every cruiser.
You must have one of those "PC" chiefs.

I carried a Smith Airweight Bodyguard for years.
Now I carry a P3AT Kel-Tec.

On the last point I am right there with you.
There is family money and there is my money.

[homelitexl]

well i got a christmas wish list i doubt ill ever get thats really part of my style

mauser broom handle pistol
mauser kar98
sawn-off shotgun
homelite chainsaw
thompsom machine gun

ive got the saw bout to buy the kar98 the rest is too rare.

[CityOfChicago]

I'm a 1911 guy but we cant carry them. The XD feels (points) like my 1911's. Thats why I like them.

We havn't had scatter guns for ages. with 13000 officers, you're bound to get some people with them who shouldnt - so thats one reason. Another is public perception. Most people in Chicago still see the 1968 convention every time they see a cop, so they try to keep us 'looking nice". Another reason - sad but true - is that people kept breaking into the cars to try and steal them. Seriously. In the ghetto or the projects, if you left eyesight of your car they smashed the windows to get at them. And when your on the 15th floor of Robert Taylor, they get a long time to try and get it out.

homie-lite-
Thompson still makes tommy guns.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I saw an old Thompson at a gun show not too long ago. I probably stared at the thing for a good 5 minutes and probably twice the time staring at the price tag. Thing went for over one grand. I said no thanks and walked back over to the shotguns.

[ZedHunter]

Sawn off shotguns are illegal?
So good luck on that.

[CityOfChicago]

thug life! :dollar: :shotg: :dollar:

[Bob]

COC
Sometimes I am just naive when it comes to thugs.
It never occurred to me that they would steal from your car.
I guess at my core I am just to law abiding to think like they do.
Where I live we built out instead of up because the ground is so soft.
I guess even if they were in the trunk they would pry the trunk open.

I used to be a 1911 fan boy right up until I bought my first Glock.
I know several people like that, for some reason they point better for some people.
It took me a really long time to get over the way they look enough to even consider one.
I bought my first one so I could shut up a LEO friend.
He kept singing the Glock song over and over, I had a bit of extra money and figured I would buy one and hate it.
Lo and Behold the dang thing ate everything I put in it and hit where I pointed it.

In fact they point so naturally for me I can hit pretty durn well without sights.
I bought a set of aftermarket sights for a G23 and they didn't fit.
It was a matter of QC on the part of Tru Glow not Glock.
Anyhow I had to send in them back in order to get a new set.
While they were gone I kept shooting the pistol and discovered how well I could shoot with no sights.
It was really funny to stand beside people at the indoor range and out shoot them with no sights on my gun.



Zed Hunter
SBS or short barreled shotguns are not illegal.
You just need to have a $200 tax stamp per weapon.
You can have the barrel as short as you want as long as you have that stamp.
There are others here who know far more about that than me.

[CAVU45]

Bob's correct. Any shotgun with a barrel less than 18" requires a tax stamp in the U.S. Commercial manufacturers selling to the general public make their shotguns with an extra 1/2" wiggle room for safeties sake. Don't want the feds crashing in on you.

[CityOfChicago]

I'm not sure if it made national news, but two weeks ago we had a cop shot and killed working in the Englewood neighborhood. Anyway, I knew that guy, his district is next to mine, and that happened 1.5 miles outside our district border. This city, at least where we work, goes up for grabs daily. In the summer its not uncommon to have 3-4 shootings a night, and get involved in a few foot chases every night. Its shoot, rob, drugs, steal cars EVERY NIGHT in the summer. So when I think about Z-Day, in this city - forget it. This city will burn itself down one way or another in hours.

I got noe beef with Glocks - my dad and brother carry them. I just am brand loyal (my 1911's are Springfields). Whaddyagonnado?

[kiltedninja]

I'm loyal to my 1911 too. And my Lee Enfield. Those guns are just my friends.

I have some friends that are gangsters, and they've stolen out of police cars, one of them lived in LA for a long time, and he'd get the cops called on him and his friends so that when they got out of the cars, he'd run up and steal shit out of them.

Real sneaky, just like what I'd do on Zday.

[mattifikation]

Springfield makes nice stuff. I want an M1A.

It's sad that people are raised too poorly to understand a simple concept like, "This is the law, follow it."

[3030]

Matt, they were raised that way, it just takes a muzzle in their face to understand it better.

[homelitexl]

or lookin down the bussiness end of aa chainsaw

[hotlead]

Springfield makes nice stuff. I want an M1A.

I think everyone should have an M1A, and a 1911, and a KaBar.....the world would be a better place.

[mattifikation]

You don't know the half of it. If every single person on the planet really did have a rifle, sidearm, and combat knife then no country would ever have the balls to invade another. Criminals would be scared pantsless. Dictators would be terrified to show their faces. The entire world would have Switzerland's crime rate, and life would be wonderful.

[kiltedninja]

And then someone stupid would come along and F--k it all up. just like every other good thing that happens to the US of A.

[1337ZM613HN73R]

Makes sense... If you don't know how to fight you wouldn't make it in some places in US... Especially Nork... I'm living in a good town right now... Miss my old one but hey I got a good girl here :P isn't that a good reason to stay? I agree with 3030 though with the muffling making people better... Damn child laws do protect the kids... then they get older and we'd wish we broke them to protect us, no?

[homelitexl]

uep ur right but whats funny is i can buy nailgns alday long ut they wont let me buy a real gun:lol:

[mattifikation]

Now, I think you're doing it on purpose.
Is there an "ignore" function on here?

[kiltedninja]

If not there should be.

[1337ZM613HN73R]

Now, I think you're doing it on purpose.
Is there an "ignore" function on here?

pwned To da max

[ZedHunter]

There is an ignore function on here, although I'm not sure if you were joking or being serious. :)

[homelitexl]

yeah who is he gonna ignnore

[CityOfChicago]

My style will be situational, but I'm sure I'll still be spelling things right

[kiltedninja]

A certain chainsaw wielding, Coor's Drinking, Shed Dwelling man.

My style will be much more subtle than that.

[homelitexl]

hey my shed is really nice and i say nuke it til it glows

[kiltedninja]

Well mr. Genius. What about fvcking fallout?

[homelitexl]

all the lead apint in my shed will absorb it til its safe to go outside so me and my gf will survive the rest of you are on your own

[Dave Of The Dead]

Your science is flawed... majorly.

[homelitexl]

no it aint

[Dave Of The Dead]

Hate to break it to ya, but lead paint will not protect you from nuclear radiation.

[Bob]

It won't???
OMFG my survival plan is shot to shirt now for sure...

[homelitexl]

yes it will lead abosorbs radiation i know that