whats your style going to be?

[bandits1]

Lol @ homelitexl thinking a coat or two of paint on an old shed is going to save him from a nuclear blast.

[Dave Of The Dead]

yes it will lead abosorbs radiation i know that

A lead vest will protect you from the small radiation that you experience when you go get X-Rays done. But a bit of lead paint will not absorb the radiation of a nuclear blast. If you really want to get to know what a nuke will do, here's these statistics:

THERMAL EFFECT............................................ RADIUS IN MILES
.................................................. ....1megaton......................10 megaton
Retinal spot burns..................................200.0+..... ....................200.0+
Visible charring to some paper and cloth.....11.0.............................30.0
Ignition of dry leaves..............................11.0.......... ...................26.0
1st degree skin burns..............................11.0........... ..................25.0
Ignition of inky parts of dry newspaper.......11.0.............................2 2.0
2nd degree skin burns.............................10.0............ .................22.0
Ignition of dry grass................................9.3.......... ....................23.0
Visible charring of unpainted wood.............8.4.............................. 20.0
Ignition of light blue cotton bedspread........8.2.............................. 20.0
3rd degree skin burns..............................8.0............ ..................19.0
Ignition of dry pine needles.......................7.0................. ............16.0
Ignition of cotton Venetian blind tape.........6.5.............................16.0
Ignition of brown cardboard box.................6.2........................... ..13.0
Ignition of khaki cotton shirt......................6.0.................... .........15.0
Ignition of new blue denim.........................5.4................. .............15.0
Ignition of new white typing paper..............5.3............................ .11.0



Thats just the blast though and worse effects come after. Wind patterns can blow radiation hundreds of miles. I read somewhere, I have yet to dig through my books to find it again, that it takes several feet of concrete to protect you from nuclear radiation. Lead paint isn't going to cut it my friend. You'll be suffering from radiation poisoning just like everyone else.

[bandits1]

...maybe he'll kill the radiation with his chainsaw.

[homelitexl]

waatever i know where a cold war nuke shelter is anyway

[bandits1]

Is it coated with lead-based paint? I heard that helps.

[CAVU45]

Yep, I'm sure the lead based paint will help stop the radiation from fallout. Just think, if homelite ate the lead paint he'd be radiation proof and could actually go outside with no fear of exposure.

[mattifikation]

Something tells me he's already acquired that benefit.

[kiltedninja]

I personally hope I don't live long after Zday so I don't have to do a lot of planning. Never mind, I'll just make it up as I go along.

[Bob]

Many of my generation are lead plated on the inside.
Our homes were painted with lead based paint.
Our water came in through lead pipes or pipes soldered with lead.
Our model paint had lead in it.
We should be impervious to radiation.

If lead is so fracking bad for you why are there so many old people still hanging around?

[homelitexl]

yeah and f asbestos is so bad why am i still breeding i mean breathiing

[Dave Of The Dead]

You have a 50-50 chance with that kind of stuff. Either you get cancer or your don't. I'm sure most of my surviving will pretty much be improv like KiltedNinja said. Thats pretty much what I do on a day to day basis anyway.

[kiltedninja]

My guiding phrase in life is 'when all else fails, improvise.'

Improvising is my life, I'm good at doing it, if anyone can really be good at making it up as you go.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think thats is the same thing as "Go with the flow" or "Live in the moment" which is just a little more optimistic than your motto, but still the same concept.

[kiltedninja]

Pretty much dude, it's just the same, but a little less optimistic. But I've always been a bit more cynical than I should be, so it's all good.

[homelitexl]

haha mie all runs off tobaco alchohal sex and fiearms

[Bob]

I have not smoked in almost ten years, gave up dipping, cigars, pipe, and chew before that...
I miss cigarettes more than all the rest combined.

[homelitexl]

to mecigarates are best

[ZedHunter]

If we were only THAT lucky...

[homelitexl]

what are you talkin bout

[Dave Of The Dead]

I think a lot of us would just sit in a safe place and pick off the zombies that happen to wander up to our hideout. Thats a pretty realistic scenario for most of us I think.

[kiltedninja]

I know for a fact I wouldn't want to be in the more populated parts of the city when the fan meets the shit. I'd like to be close to my house, by extension, close to my uncle's, which means close to my guns.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Amen, I'm a little worried though that everyone else around this area will start to go Rambo on everything. I mean here in Indiana, we a gun for every man, woman, child, dog, cat, and fish. I don't know how I'll be feeling in the first hours when I start toward my hideout with all these hicks running around with firearms.

[kiltedninja]

My style is going to be dazed and con-fvcking high.:lol:

No but in all seriousness, I'd probably end up with my best friend and (soon to be, hopefully) girlfriend at my uncle's house, boarded up and shooting zombies, at least in the beginning.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yeah, its going to be so tough for me. I'm picking up 4-5 girls (because my only real friends are girls) and heading to a warehouse to hunker down. Not to mention I have dated all of them, 2 are Bi, and we all have had on and off flings since I left my fiance. Only thing that will suck is the monthly monster.

[kiltedninja]

Stock up on Midol, lot's and lots of it. And just for good measure, a little more of it.

I've known the girl for a while, and she gets it bad.

My plan for then is going to be hide, and hide well.

[Sammo909]

Unfortunately I'm in the middle of a large urban area and my current home will be nigh indefensible so I may have to go rooftop camping. Where I work has a large flat roof connected to neighbouring stores, with some camping supplies and maybe a few potted veg. it could be fairly comfortable. Though if I was stuck there for years I might just go insane.

Keep a light pack with me at all times or settle in for the long haul, hard to decide. I think I'd rather lock myself in somewhere secure and wait for cabin fever to set in.

[homelitexl]

yeah that monthly monster sucks i tried to take my ex once to the movies when it had visiteder and it was awful ive never seen anyone who swore that much inmy life plus she kept punching me the whole time.:x

i think me and my current gf are just going to lye low for a little while

[kiltedninja]

Homelite you've basically got spelling down, now you just need grammar and you can graduate from first grade.

[DeAdLY SiNZz]

kilted give the lil guy a break ya know he's been in hte first grad for 8 years now, i think one more yea and he will move on lol!!! :lol:

parkour all the way man

[kiltedninja]

Parkour is sick, but can you do anything with a rucksack on your back and a weapon as well?

If I were to use parkour, it would be for scouting ahead with my lightest gear, and only my rifle and pistol.

[hotlead]

I think parkouring (is that the adjective for it? )would be severely hampered by a rifle and ruck, you'd probably get the most out of it with just a pistol and belt rig with mags and an "assault knife" ( get it, inside joke ).

Yeah, homelites' spelling has much improved in the last week or two, hooked on phonics is working fine for him. Now to get to the grammar and punctuation tapes, and you'll be all set.

[kiltedninja]

I'm fixin to get a bayonet for my AK, and a bayonet lug. I think that would be awesome.

[bandits1]

parkour all the way man
I think the use of parkour is best avoided unless absolutely needed in an emergency, and then only by those well practiced in it. The guys in the YouTube videos have probably been doing it for years -- most other humans haven't. Shouldn't risk unnecessary injury when there aren't any hospitals around.

Still, pretty cool to watch clips of the "pros" doing it. I'd enjoy seeing a video of noob parkour practitioners crashing and burning...but without the 10184 zombies eating their broken bodies afterwards.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Doing that shit in the ZPAW is on par with trying to skydive without an instructor or backup chute. If something goes wrong, you're ****ed.

[kiltedninja]

I can't tell you how many times I mis-stepped this weekend and almost ate it with my pack on. Rocks, dirt, a heavy pack and a lot of walking make for some carelessness, so I'd recommend not doing parkour unless you're some sort of professional, and acting as a scout.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Again, as a scout, I would surely recommend messenger bags. They bring the load down closer to the ground, making your center of gravity lower. It's harder to lose your balance and the load can shift with your movements.

[kiltedninja]

My one complaint with Messenger bags is capacity. I'm looking at getting one though.

I've always used a backpack for that sort of thing, but a messenger bag might be a good one as well.

[Evil Joe]

I dont know what they are called but ive seen pouches like that. they attach to the belt and are around the same size. also if you really wanted you could attach a strap for your gun (feel free to call me a uneducated dick but i have no gun experience)

[bandits1]

The little girl in the Tim Burton movie "Coraline" used a messenger bag when she went to save her parents and the three little ghost kids from her evil mom. It came in real handy. She even had to throw it to knock down some evil bats(or whatever those things were) that stole something from her.

Good call.

[bandits1]

I dont know what they are called but ive seen pouches like that. they attach to the belt and are around the same size. also if you really wanted you could attach a strap for your gun (feel free to call me a uneducated dick but i have no gun experience)
You talking about a bag kinda like this?:

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4992/imagegjz.jpg

[Evil Joe]

yes but a bit bigger

i just had a thought you could easily just convert a messenger bag (or shoulder bag if your like me) to go on a belt. take the strap off and attach a few belt loops.

BTW i would dismatele my bunk-bed and use the metal frame to board up the big frount window, close all the shutter, borad-up the remaining windows and loot the naibors houses for food. later on i would fortify other houses in my area loot my friends guns (lol) and get my dad to set up a bunch of cameras all over the place and every now and then move to a different fort.

[kiltedninja]

A recommendation. Put the boards on the outside of your house, use big sheets of plywood, and wood screws.

Don't loot your neighbours, they might have a bigger gun than you.

Also, I'd recommend that you continually fortify one fort, instead of constantly moving.

[Stankynuts]

ok when it comes down to zombies or the rebel people(think of dotd 78)

would you want to be guns a blazin and loud with more people who are equally the same, clumsy/dumb with no tactical inteligence but with guns and alot of people, or quiet/stealthy with little or no gun usage(cloak and dagger ideal)


i would want the cloack and dagger ideal....in fact i dont plan on even getting a gun after the outbreak...well...maybe a rifle...

What the **** would a cloak do other then get snagged on stuff? And you expect to take out a looter that is shooting at you with out a gun? Good luck with that dude.

Oh and who do you think you are a kilted ninja?

[Darkness]

"The term 'Cloak and Dagger' refers to a stealth style of fighting. Moving in the dark, silently, like a spy or secret agent."

[Trumble0]

A recommendation. Put the boards on the outside of your house, use big sheets of plywood, and wood screws.

Don't loot your neighbours, they might have a bigger gun than you.

Also, I'd recommend that you continually fortify one fort, instead of constantly moving.

My dad was watching NOTLD '68 with me and he frames houses for a living, meaning he builds the skeleton of the house on the foundation and puts in staircases windows, plywood siding, flooring, and plywood roofing it's actually OSB that he uses, Plywood is a cheaper material. but He was saying with the way the zombies were just Pushing against the boards Ben nailed he should have nailed them acrossed the outside jam since the zombies would have to break the boards in half, rather than just hitting them hard enough to back the nails out of the doorjams on the inside.

[Bob]

To some of us who grew up around construction that seems obvious but to office weenies that would be a revelation.

[Darkness]

*Darkness likes to build things.* :)

"That's why I would find a good place to fortify and create a fort. Because, my style would 'build a big wall, and hide behind it.', and I know I can." :lol: :)

[Birdman44]

To some of us who grew up around construction that seems obvious but to office weenies that would be a revelation.

Idk, seams to me like it would kind of be common sense more than anything. But which way would you face the grain? I would think that the grain of the wood should run horizontal so if the zombies did break it in half you would wind up with two bars of wood instead of swinging doors essentially.

[hotlead]

Idk, seams to me like it would kind of be common sense more than anything. But which way would you face the grain? I would think that the grain of the wood should run horizontal so if the zombies did break it in half you would wind up with two bars of wood instead of swinging doors essentially.

It depends on the shape of the window, you want the lumber spanning the shortest distance.

[Bob]

Most commercial wood found in residential construction is oriented so you would not have to worry about grain.
I say most only because you just never know.

[Trumble0]

If I have Advanced Notice of a zombie outbreak and alot of time on my hands before they shamble here... Definitely going with some of the pressure treated 4x4s bolted through the outside wall acrossed the windows with threaded rod and Nuts. I doubt Anything short of a person with a Chainsaw or Axe could get Past those. It's amazing how fragile wood can be, but how strong it can be at the same time.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I am going to wrap the entire first floor of my house with mooring line. Lets see them get past that!

[homelitexl]

im going to coat the outside in prticle board and then coat that in razorwire, which willhave a layer f barbwire outside it

[Trumble0]

im going to coat the outside in prticle board and then coat that in razorwire, which willhave a layer f barbwire outside it

Bahaha, why particle board? By not Plywood or OSB, when you like spit on particle board it starts to disintegrate. I like the Concertina wire idea though. Teacher of mine was in the Marines in Beirut and said they used to play volleyball and every once in awhile it would get stuck in the concertina wire and whoever hit it last had to go get it out.... OUCH!:loon:

[Birdman44]

It depends on the shape of the window, you want the lumber spanning the shortest distance.

Yeah I'de say that sounds right.

[kiltedninja]

I know a little about building, and I'll tell you that when boarding up a window, use screws, since they're tougher to pull out. Unless you don't have a drill, then stick with nails.

[homelitexl]

because the particle board only has to hold till the rest is finished when the wire is done it should hold back everthing

[Dbuhos]

F...yeah sneaking whit an sword,but zombies can still smeel don't they..ehhhh.
Probabily going to the old back decapitation.

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't know what the eff you just said, sir.

[bandits1]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dbuhos and homelitexl are friends IRL.

[CAVU45]

Bahaha, why particle board? By not Plywood or OSB, when you like spit on particle board it starts to disintegrate. I like the Concertina wire idea though. Teacher of mine was in the Marines in Beirut and said they used to play volleyball and every once in awhile it would get stuck in the concertina wire and whoever hit it last had to go get it out.... OUCH!:loon:

Concertina or barbed wire is easy to defeat. Razor wire on the other hand digs into the skin and doesn't let go until forcibly pulled out. There are more than a few of us who carry scars from getting hung up on our own wire in the middle of the night.

[hotlead]

I wouldn't be surprised if Dbuhos and homelitexl are friends IRL.

Probably cousins........

[kiltedninja]

I was thinking cousin/brother or something like that.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Probably both...

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, Cousin/Brother, the same thing. I wonder, do they call him uncle dad or uncle pa?

[Darkness]

"Homelitexl's Family Tree has nothing to do with this Topic. Chill please." :naughty:

[kiltedninja]

My style is going to be very different than my method of eating spicy food.

[slayer1222]

mine will be like what i use at the park at night cloak and dagger :evil:

[beyerwrestler]

My style is gonna be the one where I dont die or become infected. Very original style right there :drool:

[kiltedninja]

My style is gonna be Muay Thai with shinguards from police riot gear. Like these.
http://www.galls.com/style.html?assort=general_catalog&style=TE163&cat=3035

[Spuzmanx]

lots of drugs.....gonna need lots and lots of drugs O.0

[kiltedninja]

Have fun with that.

I think that cloak and dagger operations are going to be the best way to go.

[ZombieBruce]

cloak and dagger.
Ill have killed a dozen zeds before they realize im there with a bow and arrow.

[kiltedninja]

I'll have killed dozens of zombies, pillaged a village, and kicked a bear in the nuts before they even realize that zombies have died.:lol:

[homelitexl]

nuke it til it glows

[Evil Joe]

Trip wires tied into grenade pins would do better than land mines. Land mines can only kill the unlucky, trip wires will catch any zombie that crosses your perimeter. They're too dumb to avoid them, after all.

Plus, if you trip a zombie, it would probably take it awhile to get back up again. Especially if it's muscular system was heavily damaged by shrapnel. I know zombies don't feel pain, but they are still subject to simple mechanics.

I've thought about this alot and here is what I have come up with(this is for if you are inside).

Cut a hole from the floor to around about head/neck hight then put two pulleys in each bottem corner(these would do http://www.indiamart.com/sonibrothers/pcat-gifs/products-small/Pulleys.jpg but anything you can get your hands on will do) then attach the grenade/s at around head hight and connect the wire going though the pulleys. In theory when the zombie trips the wire the grenade/s go of at head hight and kills the zed better than if it where on or near the floor.
Feel free to call me a inexperienced noob but this as I see it is better than a normal trip wire grenade.

[neoanderson9318]

I would go with stealth. Although I would have a "small army" with me. Only about 3 other people though, who are skilled with guns in case we need them. I would also board myself up in my farmhouse with my .22 Magnum rifle, with a high-powered scope. I'm more of the marksman type. :)

[CAVU45]

"Homelitexl's Family Tree has nothing to do with this Topic. Chill please." :naughty:

Even if we were to cut the branches off to use as clubs? Wait, his family tree pretty much goes straight up doesn't it. Never mind.

[CAVU45]

I've thought about this alot and here is what I have come up with(this is for if you are inside).

Cut a hole from the floor to around about head/neck hight then put two pulleys in each bottem corner(these would do http://www.indiamart.com/sonibrothers/pcat-gifs/products-small/Pulleys.jpg but anything you can get your hands on will do) then attach the grenade/s at around head hight and connect the wire going though the pulleys. In theory when the zombie trips the wire the grenade/s go of at head hight and kills the zed better than if it where on or near the floor.
Feel free to call me a inexperienced noob but this as I see it is better than a normal trip wire grenade.

Why not skip the Rube Goldberg contraption and simply string Claymores?

[homelitexl]

yeap[ adfasgdfga wait what was i gonna type:puke:

[Surviving ZDay]

Id stick to the shadows, use my bat and Hunter's Bow to get to my boat, fill her fulla supplys, and head out to sea. Zombies can't swim.

[homelitexl]

Nuke it til it glows

[Kenya]

Anyone who wants to survive would pick large army with guns blazing and super flying submarine tanks. Sure you will have a huge army to feed, but just do as the barbarians did. Pillage all the areas you take, then move on to the next.

[neoanderson9318]

That's what I was thinking, but I'm not REALLY a people person, so I would just take a small group.

[homelitexl]

nuke it ......

[Birdman44]

nuke it ......

Hell yeah.

[homelitexl]

BIIIIIIIIIIIIIRd man lol hell yes nukeit till the bastards glow

[Noc]

If you guys have any nukes when you are done, maybe you could you ship them over to Australia? It's kinda hard to get nuclear weapons over here.

[Bob]

What!
You mean you don't know at least 2 people who have one in their garage.

[homelitexl]

i dont but if i join the army i mite be abkle t o find owt were theire stored

[Bob]

No need, my uncle Jim has about 4 pounds of plutonium in his basement.

Ha Ha made you think.
We don't have basements round heyar.

[Tennessee Zombie]

Keep to the shadows, don't make any noise & stay alive!!

[Birdman44]

What!
You mean you don't know at least 2 people who have one in their garage.

I got 2 in my garage :saw: Gotta love America :lol: And to Noc, sadly we will use them all either on us and/or our enemies (zombies, terrorists, commies, etc)

[homelitexl]

haha..........

[CityOfChicago]

Nuke it til it glows

This applies, you realize, to your two little nads as well? Hard to survive if all your hair an teeth fall out before you die of 36 kinds of cancer.

[Unassigned]

This applies, you realize, to your two little nads as well? Hard to survive if all your hair an teeth fall out before you die of 36 kinds of cancer.

Not to mention that anyone not securely bunkered within oh, say, 1,000 miles is boned from nuclear fallout... So you are not only needlessly killing other possible survivors, but you are also losing potential resources in said area when they are obviously limited in the post-outbreak world.

[kiltedninja]

My style is going to be most likely how it has been lately, angry and destructive.

[homelitexl]

still say nuke it till i glows

[zephyr]

i would be remembered by
"outta my way or i'll blow you away"

[kiltedninja]

Very similar to my "Angry and Destructive" style.

[homelitexl]

nukalicios

[Undead Jackal]

I suck at surviving so much I'll probably be the zombie you all shoot:-(

[mattifikation]

You're not dead, so apparently you don't suck all that bad.

[kiltedninja]

You may be surprised Jackal, survival is alot of luck and resourcefulness, if you're good with those, then you might be okay.

[SWAT Zombie]

i'd say my style would be stick to the shadows as much as possible. shoot only when i have to shoot (with a silencer if available) and blow stuff up only when i have to. avoid getting close to zombies as much as possible and engage in hand to hand (armed or unarmed) only when trapped and i have no firearms or ammo. and never ever interact in anyway whatsoever with the undead that doesn't involve swift, effective violence. no capturing to study, no sticking them in a fight cage and staging zombie wrestling bouts, no tying them up and having your picture taken with them and definately no spooning with them, i don't care how cold the nights get. if you're not neutralising them, just avoid them. and when you do neutralise them just do it, don't revel in it.
:guns::shotg::machgun2::axe::saw:: = :zom2:

[kiltedninja]

Fast and violent is the best kind of violent. Guerrilla tactics are gonna be the way to do shit in ZPAW.

[Onslaught]

Well, I'd say that sticking to the shadows is the clear winner here. Ha, it isn't even kind of close. Maybe there will be more survivors than I thought.

They had better stay away from my tactical bacon.

[Jazza11]

I would rather be in a small group because its easier to keep controlled and calm and supplys would last longer you would not be able to fight army sized zombies but if you had a group of say 10 you would have a good chance of survival then a army of 100 people i say

[angekfire]

Well, I'd say that sticking to the shadows is the clear winner here. Ha, it isn't even kind of close. Maybe there will be more survivors than I thought.

With so many people trying to stick to the shadows, hopefully we don't run out of shadows to hide in :lol:

I'll probably try to avoid them as much as possible. They can't kill me if I'm not near them!

[kiltedninja]

Well, Angekfire, there's plenty of shadows around here anyway, but up in Ottawa the story might be different.

That and I don't intend to literally stay in shadows, so much as out of the eyes of any zombies and/or folks who mean to do me harm.

[AZombieAttack]

Seems alot of us are actually in agrement for once.... go figure...

[mattifikation]

You're right. I'm throwing a wrench in it.

I'm gonna blow stuff up... frequently. The most important thing in life is how much noise you make at the end of it.

[homelitexl]

nuke it til it glows

[Bob]

Take an honor guard to hell with you.

[homelitexl]

yep. ... ...., . . . .. ....

[angekfire]

Well, Angekfire, there's plenty of shadows around here anyway, but up in Ottawa the story might be different.

That and I don't intend to literally stay in shadows, so much as out of the eyes of any zombies and/or folks who mean to do me harm.

I know, I was joking.

I think people from Ottawa are generally well prepared for the zombie apocalypse. We are used to dealing with zombies on a daily basis already, the city is swarmed with them. We call them "politicians" and "government employees".

[kiltedninja]

That made me :lol:. I deal with alot of stupid people and just general idiots, but never 'zombies', and I think I'm lucky because of it.

I'm a fast person, I take pride in my speed, and I'd use it to my advantage in ZPAW.

[43911]

Hey

(im new here btw)

i'd have to go stealthy as getting guns isn't easy in the uk so it would be a case of a baseball bat and running and hiding. Until i could find military/armed police (if there are any) and wait till i can get my hands on a gun (probs pistol as its light) just incase but the aim would be to stay stealthy as ive never shot a pistol.

[kiltedninja]

It's easier to get a gun than you think. It's just not easy to do it legally.

I'm not from the UK, but that's what my friends from the UK tell me.

[homelitexl]

dont play with thyself as much should be matts style lol kiddin dude
seriosly man u need a gf more than i need a third nut :lol:

[mattifikation]

Nah. I got 99 problems but a bitch ain't one.

[ZombifiedBrendan]

Well since I'm Australian and it's hard to get a gun here legally, My style would have to be with my cricket bat. It's a heavy one that I have taped up and when I tried it out on a block of wood a couple centineters thick, it split it in half. But the BOOM!!! option will be used with mainly petrol bombs if I can spare them.

[kiltedninja]

I recommend that you just buy a gun illegally and don't do anything stupid with it.

[Bob]

Cricket Bat?
You guys hit Crickets with a bat?
Do you swat them out of the air when they are flying or do you sneak up on them when they are chirping.

[SWAT Zombie]

^ BAAAHAHAHAHAA! i like it.

[Rocketman005]

I don't see lone wolf in those choices.

Bring it on...
http://radshield.com/pdf/Demeromn%20W%20flyer.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

I don't see lone wolf in those choices.

Bring it on...
http://radshield.com/pdf/Demeromn%20W%20flyer.jpg

Really... Really?





Really?

[Rocketman005]

Really... Really?





Really?

Well I don't know but the boy scout motto is be prepared. And since I have been looking at this subject now for just a couple weeks, no one is. They will be all dead.

75 nuclear accidents in the US spread out, 500 times the amount of radiation equal to Hiroshima each , and each larger than Chernobyl, with fallout within 10 days.
That's just from the spent fuel rod containment facilities.

Every large chemical plant will explode within 5 days of the power shutting down. (ref: Population zero)

Death destruction and pain.

Here is a nice holiday gift idea!
http://www.alpinesurvival.com/nuclear-radiation-detector.html

[Rocketman005]

This will give you an example of how prepared people are. This is the best there is out there today. And not one of them has an air filtration system.
http://jalopnik.com/360213/the-ten-best-post+apocalyptic-survival-vehicles

You know the reason people aren't prepared is because the stuff costs a fortune. The suit is 850 bucks, the key chain is 150 bucks, that's not that bad but a decent vehicle 150,000 just armored and empty (new). If your vehicle isn't armored, then anyone can put a fist through a window. The air will kill you if nothing else does. And anywhere you go, you could get shot. In or out of your vehicle. Going for supplies? What are the chances someone else is?

[weirdenator]

small group ive evan organised meeting point and whos in it we have been waiting for the zeds for a long long time

group_
-me(me)
-james(freind)
-hayden(freind)
-caitlyn(girlfreind)
-clara(sister)

[homelitexl]

nuke it till it glows

[SWAT Zombie]

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9053/bombf.gif
KAAAAA-BLOOOOEEEEEEEYYYY!!!!!

[kiltedninja]

This is my style.

http://i892.photobucket.com/albums/ac130/shika-rox/squirrel.jpg

[mattifikation]

This is mine.

http://www.treehugger.com/army_squirrel.jpg

[SWAT Zombie]

how about this?

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/8344/funnypicturescatgiveszo.jpg

[mattifikation]

I'm pretty sure my squirrel was equipped to ruin that *****cat's day.

[homelitexl]

my shotgun would make that squirels day hell

[SWAT Zombie]

I'm pretty sure my squirrel was equipped to ruin that *****cat's day.

man, they even censor the word ***** when all your talking about is a *****cat. oh *****, the ***** are doing it to me now. *****
:)

[homelitexl]

wtf was that .......................****** ***** oughta ******* shove a **** up there *** lol i wonder if anyone will ever figure what i just said

[kiltedninja]

I've got three guesses and I'm not sure I like any of them.

[SWAT Zombie]

wtf was that .......................****** ***** oughta ******* shove a **** up there *** lol i wonder if anyone will ever figure what i just said

well my guess is you said that you're gonna ******* the **** with a jar of ***** while a ****** has a *** in your ***** to the tune of ******, *** and *************** in the toilet out the back

[kiltedninja]

I'm really getting to like the idea of minimalist or survivalist tactics.

[zombabe]

My "style" ideally would be ghost-like, neither seen or heard, just a silent mover with one other person with me (only if they could do like wise). Definitely night travel because if our vision is impaired more at night while living then surely the same holds true for the deadish.

[Redneck]

My "style" ideally would be ghost-like, neither seen or heard, just a silent mover with one other person with me (only if they could do like wise). Definitely night travel because if our vision is impaired more at night while living then surely the same holds true for the deadish.

I don't see that, the dead will still hear and SMELL you.
So now you have zeds after you, and you can't see for a :poo:.

[zombabe]

I don't see that, the dead will still hear and SMELL you.
So now you have zeds after you, and you can't see for a :poo:.


...Its kind of a hard call because we don't know...because it hasn't happened. It gets technical because in movies...zombies can hear and if they can hear, one would assume they can smell too...and they can see...but I don't see any reason as to why these senses would be heightened?

[CAVU45]

My "style" ideally would be ghost-like, neither seen or heard, just a silent mover with one other person with me (only if they could do like wise). Definitely night travel because if our vision is impaired more at night while living then surely the same holds true for the deadish.

Being ghost-like is near impossible to do, especially ay night. Inevitabely you stumble over the object that some inconsiderate bastard left in your path. Moving quietly means moving slowly. Very slowly. Don't plan on covering alot of ground in stealth mode.

[zombabe]

Being ghost-like is near impossible to do, especially ay night. Inevitabely you stumble over the object that some inconsiderate bastard left in your path. Moving quietly means moving slowly. Very slowly. Don't plan on covering alot of ground in stealth mode.

Im not concerned with how much ground I cover as long as I'm still breathing. I have considered the objects that could trip me up. I would rather travel and live off the land in places that were never very populated somewhere in the wilderness. Maybe I could construct a living area in the trees?

[SWAT Zombie]

i think the key to stealth is patience. moving slowly and carefully, staying alert and stopping behind cover to check your environment by looking, listening and in the case of a ZPAW maybe even smelling. there will be times when you have to leave cover to cross a street or other open ground and thats when you'll be exposed and need to move quickly to get to cover again. thats why its important imo that you are careful about making sure the area is clear, maybe even hunkering down and waiting for any zombies that are in the area to hopefully move on. but another danger is waiting too long or being too hesitant. you may end up outnumbered and trapped in your position. as far as i can tell there aren't any great secrets or special techniques to being stealthy, its just a matter of patience, discipline and focus. of course training, practice and experience are sure to improve your chances of staying unseen but just be careful and don't panic and you just might be alright. not that i'm an expert or anything. just my own amateur perspective on the subject. i'd be really interested in what people with military and/or hunting experience have to say about this subject.

[CAVU45]

there will be times when you have to leave cover to cross a street or other open ground and thats when you'll be exposed and need to move quickly to get to cover again.

There's the danger. Moving quickly over exposed areas is the surest way to get noticed. One can't move quickly and quietly. Best to avoid open areas even if it means a wide detour.

as far as i can tell there aren't any great secrets or special techniques to being stealthy, its just a matter of patience, discipline and focus. of course training, practice and experience are sure to improve your chances of staying unseen but just be careful and don't panic and you just might be alright.

Great secrets? No. Special techniques? Yes. There are tips and techniques that one can employ to help stay unobserved. That's where training and experience comes in.

[SWAT Zombie]

There's the danger. Moving quickly over exposed areas is the surest way to get noticed. One can't move quickly and quietly. Best to avoid open areas even if it means a wide detour.

thats why i thought hanging back and making sure the area was clear first would be the thing to do if you had to do that. but i guess taking a detour makes sense if you're able to, but i'd imagine there would be times when you had to move through an open area. so would you still take it slow, or maybe relatively slow, even in the open? what's the standard method for that?

Great secrets? No. Special techniques? Yes. There are tips and techniques that one can employ to help stay unobserved. That's where training and experience comes in.

that's interesting to know. are there books on the subject that you know of? it wouldn't be the same as training and experience obviously but i reckon it'd be really interesting to read up on this sort of thing.

[kiltedninja]

I think stealth also comes partially down to observing your surroundings and threats. That's part of patience, since you'll need to know how many enemies you can see, and places where there could be enemies hiding.

Quickness is largely a matter of opinion, since I can move quickly and quietly without a pack, and even a small load. my survival pack would be significantly heavier(36lbs without firearms or ammo) and I have a quick walking pace. I can sprint for about 200 yds with my pack on, and while it's not quiet, it's quick. I'd only do this if I absolutely needed to.

Attention to detail is a key thing, you need to know exactly where every threat is, and the most efficient and/or, and I'm really emphasizing the or, the most practical(i.e. safest) way to get around these threats.

Example: There's a warehouse near my old home, we used to hang out in it alot, and say I needed to get into it with my pack. The problem is that I have no firearms and the front entrance is surrounded by Zack. At this point I'd go around to the back, which takes a lot more time, but it's way safer. If I had to climb onto the roof, I would leave my backpack on the ground with a length of rope attached to it, and bring the rope with me and hoist it up, since I'm a faster climber without it. Again, I'd only climb if I absolutely had to, since it means potentially losing my gear.

Never rule out hiding until the Zeds wander off. Sometimes just sitting still could possibly be your only option.

[CAVU45]

thats why i thought hanging back and making sure the area was clear first would be the thing to do if you had to do that. but i guess taking a detour makes sense if you're able to, but i'd imagine there would be times when you had to move through an open area. so would you still take it slow, or maybe relatively slow, even in the open? what's the standard method for that?



that's interesting to know. are there books on the subject that you know of? it wouldn't be the same as training and experience obviously but i reckon it'd be really interesting to read up on this sort of thing.

I would never cross an open area in a threat environment. That's one of the surest ways to get killed. Not books. There are manuals though, through the military.

[SWAT Zombie]

I would never cross an open area in a threat environment. That's one of the surest ways to get killed. Not books. There are manuals though, through the military.

good to know. thanks for the feedback. :drinking:

so i take it these manuals wouldn't be available to civvies then

[CAVU45]

good to know. thanks for the feedback. :drinking:

so i take it these manuals wouldn't be available to civvies then

They should be. Check Amazon. A military surplus store may carry some. Check some of the online stores such as Ranger Joe's, Brigade Quartermaster, and US Cavalry Store. Paladin Press has a complete line of books and manuals on all things tactical.

[SWAT Zombie]

They should be. Check Amazon. A military surplus store may carry some. Check some of the online stores such as Ranger Joe's, Brigade Quartermaster, and US Cavalry Store. Paladin Press has a complete line of books and manuals on all things tactical.

very cool. i'll have to check them out. thanks again

[hotlead]

Wilderness Way magazine has a stalking/tracking article in each issue, pretty good tips in there, and primitive living/survival web sites or publications are good resources for this kind of stuff.

Watch cats in your neighborhood, they usually are hunting or looking for the next victim. Watch them spot 'n stalk, they pause in midstride a hold with eyes fixed, they move their feet very smoothly one at a time, and feel for solid footing before commiting body weight. Practice stalking animals in your neighborhood(don't let anybody see, they'll think you're weird), go out and practice in the wild, deer and turkeys are the hardest to sneek up on.

[SWAT Zombie]

we have plenty of cats where i live. no turkey or deer. plenty of rabbits and kangaroos. i'd be worried about pissing off the kangaroos tho. if they saw me they'd likely just bound away but occasionally you can get ones that'll give you the kickboxing of your life. they can can be mad bastards, those roos :)

[ZombieGore]

Im such a bad ass I will be a zombie bounty hunter...like in The Quick and the Undead...lol

[JimiVengeance]

small group...more people=more attention. plus with more people any supplies found become a smaller amount automatically due to the fact that they have to be split up throughout more people....:drinking:

[zombabe]

Wilderness Way magazine has a stalking/tracking article in each issue, pretty good tips in there, and primitive living/survival web sites or publications are good resources for this kind of stuff.

Watch cats in your neighborhood, they usually are hunting or looking for the next victim. Watch them spot 'n stalk, they pause in midstride a hold with eyes fixed, they move their feet very smoothly one at a time, and feel for solid footing before commiting body weight. Practice stalking animals in your neighborhood(don't let anybody see, they'll think you're weird), go out and practice in the wild, deer and turkeys are the hardest to sneek up on.

haha maybe I am weird, I do that for the fun of it, never thought it would help me with my zombie survival skills though!! :)

[kiltedninja]

That's pretty strange.

I Really think I'd have to sacrifice some of my speed and flexibility to do a lot of the stuff that would keep me alive. Because some of it's just unnecessary, and I won't have the luxury of making any mistakes.

[zombabe]

That's pretty strange.

I Really think I'd have to sacrifice some of my speed and flexibility to do a lot of the stuff that would keep me alive. Because some of it's just unnecessary, and I won't have the luxury of making any mistakes.

You're tellin me you've never tried to sneak up on a group of grounded birds before? or a squirrel? Just to see how close you could get?

[kiltedninja]

No, I never have. I sneak around targets that are harder to sneak up on. Like people.

[zombabe]

No, I never have. I sneak around targets that are harder to sneak up on. Like people.

ew creepy :lol: I actually think people are easier to sneak up on...only if they have no reason to suspect me haha.

[kiltedninja]

Nah it's not like total strangers, I only do it when I have reasons to sneak up on people.

[zombabe]

Nah it's not like total strangers, I only do it when I have reasons to sneak up on people.

Oh I see, so for what reasons might you sneak up on them? :)

[SWAT Zombie]

Oh I see, so for what reasons might you sneak up on them? :)

probably to scream "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!" as loud as you can in their ear so you can see them fill their pants and leap ten feet into the air. or at least thats why i'd do it :)

[zombabe]

probably to scream "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!" as loud as you can in their ear so you can see them fill their pants and leap ten feet into the air. or at least thats why i'd do it :)

lol me too. :)

[homelitexl]

id do it just to steal there liqour or more importantly there smokes

[kiltedninja]

probably to scream "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!" as loud as you can in their ear so you can see them fill their pants and leap ten feet into the air. or at least thats why i'd do it :)

I've done that a few times. Mostly it's just to scare people yes, but a friend of mine likes to run around at night and practice his ninja skills(on a side note, he actually does practice ninjutsu, so it's proper terminology here) and so we screw with the overnight security at the mall near my house, and just generally cause mayhem at night.

[mattifikation]

Oh I see, so for what reasons might you sneak up on them? :)

I like to sneak up on people and shock them with my stun gun. THAT makes people people do the "AAHHHH *shit pants*" thing.

[zombabe]

I like to sneak up on people and shock them with my stun gun. THAT makes people people do the "AAHHHH *shit pants*" thing.

A STUN GUN??? omg...you're not kidding I think I really would :poo: myself if that happened! :cry:

[mattifikation]

It's less painful than you'd think. It's more immobilizing than anything else, because the electricity interferes with the signals going to your muscles. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt at all, but it's nothing to cry over like you see some sissies doing on YouTube.

[CAVU45]

My brother tried the "sneak up" thing on me a few years after my ME tour. He woke up after five minutes to the stern warning that if he ever tried that again, he'd die. I wasn't kidding.

[hotlead]

Folks are much easier to sneak up on, prey animals are always wound up and on the look out for predators.

[SWAT Zombie]

It's less painful than you'd think. It's more immobilizing than anything else, because the electricity interferes with the signals going to your muscles. I'm not saying it doesn't hurt at all, but it's nothing to cry over like you see some sissies doing on YouTube.

some of my favourite videos on youtube are tazing vids. they crack me up. "get your hands off me. i am a citizen. you have no right. how dare y... EEEEEEEEUUUUUUUURRRGHHHH!!!!!!"

[kiltedninja]

I listen to police for one simple reason. They have a gun and a badge, and I don't feel like getting shot. Plus I'm not really into the pointless law breaking, I like to have a motivation for it.

[SWAT Zombie]

^ likewise. when dealing with cops i'm polite, friendly and cooperative. i've avoided speeding fines and once even a fine for driving an unroadworthy car by maintaining a friendly demeanour. i laugh at the people who get all pissy and say "why don't you go after real criminals". all they do is shoot themselves in the foot.

[kiltedninja]

It's all a matter of dealing with things appropriately.

[zombabe]

I hate dirty cops, I'm thinking about getting a little video camera to always keep on me and if I ever get pulled over just prop it up on the dash and record. Too many cops abuse their power nowadays so I think we need to protect ourselves. Who are they going to believe...unless you have evidence.:x

[mattifikation]

That sounds like the guy who was so tired of the corrupt cops in his city, he put a video camera in his car and then hooked it up to stream a live feed to the Internet.

Sure enough, a cop eventually pulled him over and started harassing him. The cop was caught on tape threatening to make up charges, saying that nobody would believe this guy's word over a cop's. Finally the guy told him about the camera, and the cop just said he'd take the camera and destroy it.

Imagine his surprise when he found out it was a live feed...

[zombabe]

That sounds like the guy who was so tired of the corrupt cops in his city, he put a video camera in his car and then hooked it up to stream a live feed to the Internet.

Sure enough, a cop eventually pulled him over and started harassing him. The cop was caught on tape threatening to make up charges, saying that nobody would believe this guy's word over a cop's. Finally the guy told him about the camera, and the cop just said he'd take the camera and destroy it.

Imagine his surprise when he found out it was a live feed...

ya no kidding!! I think thats actually the story that made me want to start carrying one.

[kiltedninja]

We don't have to deal with alot of dirty cops around here.

[guinnessman]

For me, this is all based on where I am on Z-day. If I'm at home chillin' on my couch watching t.v., I ain't going outside for nothin'. I'm gonna sit there with all 3 of my guns loaded, in full gear sippin on a pint waiting for all this to blow over :drinking: ;). If I'm at school, silent and swift baby, homes 4 miles away with plenty of woodland between here and there. If I'm out with friends, tactical squad movements all the way. If I'm out shopping, then thats to conditional to go into detail of. But personally, I think all of these options have there time and there place. Sorry if I missed some of the discussion and someone else reached this conclusion, but I was'nt gonna sit here and read through 29 pages of posts....

[Bob]

You might as well get used to the super threads.

[CAVU45]

Sorry if I missed some of the discussion and someone else reached this conclusion, but I was'nt gonna sit here and read through 29 pages of posts....

Welcome to superthreads, where the discussions are rehashed over and over and over.....

If I'm out with friends, tactical squad movements all the way.

Define "tactical squad movements".

If I'm at school, silent and swift baby, homes 4 miles away with plenty of woodland between here and there.

You can move swiftly. You can move silently. But you can't move swiftly silently (especially in a woods environment). They are mutually exclusive. If you are moving swiftly, you know where the enemy is and are either moving to contact or breaking contact with him. Otherwise you risk the danger of literally running into contact that you aren't prepared for. Movement alone can and does draw attention. The faster the movement the greater the risk of being noticed. Moving silently means knowing where the enemy is and moving slowly, utilizing cover and concealment, to contact with the intent of remaining unseen, or sneaking around the enemy position. It also denotes a lack of knowledge where the enemy positions are and movement to set those positions through recon or attempt to avoid them.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, I don't have the option of hunkering down for a while, we don't have the supplies here. My brother doesn't believe in preparing for disasters of any sort, since there really has never been a major one in Portland.

I'd definitely have to move, since I know where the supplies are at, and I have to get my other friends.

[Godspeed69]

probably my family of 6-9 ppl and have 4 guns and rest melee
m1897 trench gun 12 ga., winchester .303, henry .22 rimfire, and 12 ga dbl barrel
2 rifles have scopes

[CAVU45]

Wow. That's a rather "eclectic" mix of firearms. Is it what you happen to own?

[kiltedninja]

You can move swiftly. You can move silently. But you can't move swiftly silently (especially in a woods environment). They are mutually exclusive. If you are moving swiftly, you know where the enemy is and are either moving to contact or breaking contact with him. Otherwise you risk the danger of literally running into contact that you aren't prepared for. Movement alone can and does draw attention. The faster the movement the greater the risk of being noticed. Moving silently means knowing where the enemy is and moving slowly, utilizing cover and concealment, to contact with the intent of remaining unseen, or sneaking around the enemy position. It also denotes a lack of knowledge where the enemy positions are and movement to set those positions through recon or attempt to avoid them.

You can do quickly and quietly at the same time, but you sacrifice some of both in order to do it. You cannot move swiftly and SILENTLY however. Quickly and quietly is a different matter. Even more so in the woods, since the only movement there is often times slow.

[Bob]

I have a couple of questions.
Many of you have guns, many of you have several guns.

My questions are
1. How much ammunition do you have on hand for each caliber.
2. How often do you practice with each gun?
3. How many members of your team have all the weapons they will need?

[CAVU45]

You can do quickly and quietly at the same time, but you sacrifice some of both in order to do it. You cannot move swiftly and SILENTLY however. Quickly and quietly is a different matter. Even more so in the woods, since the only movement there is often times slow.

Qickly, quietly. Swiftly, silently. No difference at all. You contradict your self. First you say you can do "quickly and quietly at the same time." Then say that you sacrifice some of both. If you're sacrificing both, then it stands to reason you're doing neither.

[Godspeed69]

I have a couple of questions.
Many of you have guns, many of you have several guns.

My questions are
1. How much ammunition do you have on hand for each caliber.
2. How often do you practice with each gun?
3. How many members of your team have all the weapons they will need?

1. How much ammunition do you have on hand for each caliber.
well for the 12 gauges we have about 3 boxes and the .303 only about 7 rounds which is pretty much one magazine, the .22 we have about 85 rds

2. How often do you practice with each gun?
we went shooting a couple days ago and i say were pretty good

3. How many members of your team have all the weapons they will need?
We wont have all the weapons we need we will have 2 sharpshooters ill probably be given the .22, and my brother the .303. any other guys have the 12 gauges and the rest of the people we'll hand em a shovel,knife,crowbar,axe,hatchet, or whatever we have handy :D
but of course you have to know how to use it which is why we will all be watching eachothers backs :)
and of course we will be a small demolition squad if you could put it any zombie in our way gets a face of either hollowpoint, birdshot or buckshot, or a crushed skull from a blunt object :evil:, and the rest will be creative or just plain BULL DOZED!!!!! :evil:

[kiltedninja]

Qickly, quietly. Swiftly, silently. No difference at all. You contradict your self. First you say you can do "quickly and quietly at the same time." Then say that you sacrifice some of both. If you're sacrificing both, then it stands to reason you're doing neither.

Not quite, I'm trying to say that you can move quietly, but you'll still be making some sound, and that you're still going to have to slow down for it. But you can't move absolutely without sound while maintaining speed. If this doesn't make any sense to you, then I'll try to clarify.

[CAVU45]

Not quite, I'm trying to say that you can move quietly, but you'll still be making some sound, and that you're still going to have to slow down for it. But you can't move absolutely without sound while maintaining speed. If this doesn't make any sense to you, then I'll try to clarify.

That's exactely my point. If you're moving quickly, you're making noise thereby negating any attempt at stealth. If you're being quiet, you aren't moving quickly, thereby negating speed. It's a simple equation, speed+movement=noise. Now some people may be able to move quieter, but they'll still be making noise. I'd go so far as to say that any movement will make noise. All we can do is try to minimize the noise signature we make, and the surest way to do that is to minimize movement, speed, and amount of noise making equipment.

[Bob]

You are in desperate need of ammunition.
The trick to stockpiling ammunition is to buy a box or two every week.
That way it does not hit your wallet as hard and eventually you have thousands of rounds on hand.
I started buying 22 long rifle a brick every week.
That worked out to about 2000 every month, with some extra here and there before I knew it I had 14000 rounds of 22 long rifle.

[kiltedninja]

I'm buying a S&W .22 revolver from a friend in the near future, I've already started buying bricks. It's not the best but it's better than nothing in a survival situation.

[unnamedbaby77]

I'm buying a S&W .22 revolver from a friend in the near future, I've already started buying bricks. It's not the best but it's better than nothing in a survival situation.

what make and model if i may ask?

[kiltedninja]

Model 617 with a 4 inch barrel.

[mellisallen]

anyone that would rely on a .22 for anything other than a 10 foot range to take out a zombie is an idiot. i dont wanna be within 10 feet. after 100 feet a .22 is no better than throwing rocks

ill stick to my mosins (plus 880 rnd) i can hit a small pumpkin at 200 yards (yes thats 600feet) and if they get any closer than 100 feet im moving anyway.

[mattifikation]

Relying on a bolt action rifle with a 5 round capacity to take out a threat that attacks in swarms isn't a great plan either...

[mellisallen]

one shot one kill is alot easier when theres actuall stopping power behind the bullet. plus ive got two rifles, a bunch of stripper clips for faster loading, and a wife that knows how to load clips and shoot (no not at the same time, that would be impressive)
another benefit is that a mosin has minimal moving parts to malfuction where as a semi auto has many more.
agian i dont plan on having them get close enuff to use a .22 effectively, but if they do ive got a 9mm for that.
ultimatley id hope to be far away from the populace as soon as i can after outbreak

[hotlead]

anyone that would rely on a .22 for anything other than a 10 foot range to take out a zombie is an idiot. i don't wanna be within 10 feet

I agree.

after 100 feet a .22 is no better than throwing rocks

It's not all that bad, I've known a few crusty old-timers that I swear could take over the world with a sharp stick and a handfull of rocks, but we'll have an experiment.
We'll stand 100' from each other, you can throw rocks at me and I'll shoot my Mod. 52 at you, when we're done we can compare notes.

ill stick to my mosins (plus 880 rnd) i can hit a small pumpkin at 200 yards (yes thats 600feet)

Mosins sure are fun, did yours come with the 2x4 to work the bolt after you've fired it, none of mine did, so I have to extend the bayonet, stick it in the ground, and kick the bolt open.

and if they get any closer than 100 feet im moving anyway.

I agree.

[Bob]

We could all get golf ball launchers for our rifles...

[CAVU45]

Or potato guns. :)

[556superman]

I would just rely on my rifles for long range and I have plenty of ammo stocked up for any of the 5 rifles and that doesn't include my shotguns or my pistols. so I think I would find a way to fortify my house and just dig in. My property is out in the woods, and 2 long deep ravines run along 2 sides of my house, there is about a 30 foot cliff that attaches the ravines 4 acres below my house; so in reality all I would need to fortify my house is dig a trench above it or put in one hell of a fence.

[mattifikation]

What's that smell?

[556superman]

What's that smell?

Whens the last time you took a shower?

[mattifikation]

Earlier this night. It was the last golden moment I shared with your m...

Nah. Too easy. Like your m...

Nah. Still too easy.

[mellisallen]

We'll stand 100' from each other, you can throw rocks at me and I'll shoot my Mod. 52 at you, when we're done we can compare notes.

the difference wood be is that i have a fear of dieing, were as a zombie is alreay dead and i would have to belive does not feel pain and there for would keep coming at you

Mosins sure are fun, did yours come with the 2x4 to work the bolt after you've fired it, none of mine did, so I have to extend the bayonet, stick it in the ground, and kick the bolt open.





ive polished up the bolts so they work smoothly, as well as cleaned up the horrible triggers, and sighted them in. the bayonet on the m44 makes me chuckle whenever i open it up

[kiltedninja]

That's a huge bayonet there.

My style will be the one that involves me staying alive.

[ryanrydell]

anyone that would rely on a .22 for anything other than a 10 foot range to take out a zombie is an idiot. i dont wanna be within 10 feet. after 100 feet a .22 is no better than throwing rocks


I'd say that a .22LR in the hands of an accurate shooter could effectively eliminate a Zombie from well over 100'.

[kiltedninja]

Yeah, good luck with that. While you're doing that I'd use a round that actually kills stuff.

[ryanrydell]

so...are you telling me that if you were shot in the head by a .22 long rifle from 150 feet away that you would be OK?

i think not.

[CAVU45]

There's a reason the venerable little .22lr isn't used by an military or police force....Io nce asked a swat instructor about this very question. I wish I still had the e-mail form him. His response was basically that conditions would have to be near perfect for the round to have any real chance.

[mellisallen]

ive seen pigs shot in the head wtih a .22 at point blank range and keep walking around (i grew up on a farm). the human skull is suprizingly stong and can resist alot. plus a .22 would have to hit the brain stem EXACTLY to distroy it. a 7.62x54 would "clean house" and not need a dead on shot

[ryanrydell]

a .22 shot from 100 ft away flys at appx 1200fps and 120 ft-lbs

how can that NOT kill a zombie? would you want to be hit by a .22 from 100 ft. away?

There is plenty of power and accuracy in a .22 to make it useful at, IMO, 300 ft or less. Anything further and you have accuracy issues and velocity drop that are too great to overcome.

[zbuddy]

Not sure where some of you are getting your information from, but here is a great read if you doubt the .22lr.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=504301&fpart=1

[mattifikation]

Would I trust my luck enough to let somebody shoot me with a .22lr? No.

Would I trust my luck enough to depend on a .22lr to be consistently capable of penetrating zombie skulls in a situation where there is very little time to take follow up shots? No.

Do I trust .22lr ammunition to be reliable enough to fire every time when it really counts? Also no.

So that's 1 for it, 2 against it. My mind's made up.

Or let me put it this way... if somebody was taking shots at you from 100 feet away, would you rather they be armed with a weapon that shoots .22lr, or a weapon that shoots 5.56?

[zbuddy]

I am pretty sure the majority of people validated that the .22lr is unreliable. I am also not too clear on the "quick follow up shots." They are zombies, like shambling around moaning for brains, or like methed up crack head rabid ones? Also, your analogy is true, but in comparison - Would you take the super model who can suck a golf ball through a garden hose, or the 5'2 500lbs leper? The choice is pretty clear, not sure if anyone was disputing it over another round.

[mattifikation]

Follow up shots... as in, you shoot the zombie and it doesn't die, so you have to shoot it again. The bigger your caliber, the less often that will happen. It's a matter of odds. And, of course, at some point you're just going overkill on things and you're sacrificing too much of your ammo carrying capacity. .22lr falls into the category of "underkill."

And of course .22lr is being disputed over other rounds. What else would we be disputing it over, sling shots? Nobody would rather be unarmed than have a 22.

[ryanrydell]

Not sure where some of you are getting your information from, but here is a great read if you doubt the .22lr.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=504301&fpart=1

good stuff. he was shooting at 300 yrds. I've been saying 100-300 ft.

[mattifikation]

His turkey didn't have a skull.

[CAVU45]

Match ammunition with a tuned rifle. Try that with your little 10/22 popgun.

[Onslaught]

Ammo thread?

Hell, even the rifle thread.

But, surely not the style thread.

[Jonny Chaos]

Hmm..I'm kinda none of these. I wouldn't go in all guns blazing, as there's no point causing undue panic and carnage. If the poopy hit the proverbial fan though, I'd be able to look after myself!

[kiltedninja]

We need more details than that. I'm not the type to go guns blazing either, but I'm not going to just sit in the shadows either. I'd kill zombies and their buddies when necessary, and get stuff where I need it too, but I'm at least supplying a few more details.

[zbuddy]

After all that talk with the .22 and no one is going to go dual wield .22lr machine guns while wearing a prom dress?

[unnamedbaby77]

As I have said before I will never get rid of my 22 for all its application but you wont EVER see me defending my life or clearing houses with it unless its all I have(even then it would be sketchy) ...not even with the super ammo I am saving for Z-day..

[SWAT Zombie]

After all that talk with the .22 and no one is going to go dual wield .22lr machine guns while wearing a prom dress?

Hey. You just described my secret fetish :)

[kiltedninja]

odd.... I need more words.

[mellisallen]

Follow up shots... as in, you shoot the zombie and it doesn't die, so you have to shoot it again. The bigger your caliber, the less often that will happen. It's a matter of odds. And, of course, at some point you're just going overkill on things and you're sacrificing too much of your ammo carrying capacity. .22lr falls into the category of "underkill."

And of course .22lr is being disputed over other rounds. What else would we be disputing it over, sling shots? Nobody would rather be unarmed than have a 22.

so well said its scary

[kiltedninja]

A lot of the time Matt just says stuff, but sometimes he says something incredibly smart. It's like he's saving his brain cells for those moments.

[zombabe]

I dont know anything about guns. So my question is, is a colt 45 powerful enough to explode a zed skull in one shot if you werent too far away? I need to know the best gun to carry that is light, small, powerful, with not too much kick. any ideas?

[CAVU45]

I dont know anything about guns. So my question is, is a colt 45 powerful enough to explode a zed skull in one shot if you werent too far away? I need to know the best gun to carry that is light, small, powerful, with not too much kick. any ideas?

You have to be careful of your terms. To most people when you say "Colt 45" they think you mean the old Colt SAA (to some it's a really cheap malt liquor), the old cowboy six shooter. I believe you mean the semi-auto Colt 1911 in .45acp. Yes, it can penetrate a skull better than most rounds. If you are new to guns the worst thing you could do is grab a 1911 as a first gun. There are schools around the country that offer courses in gun handling, care, and use for self defense. If you don't have anyone who can help you I would seriously advise looking into one of the schools. Don't take what you read here or anywhere else on the internet as gospel. There are far too many who sound like they know what they're doing but in fact are giving out dangerous and stupid advice.

[mellisallen]

my honest opinion for a beginer would be a 9mm or .380, still powerful enuff and not as much kick. but nowheres near a .45

[CAVU45]

At the very least a double action pistol, maybe even a revolver.

[zombabe]

You have to be careful of your terms. To most people when you say "Colt 45" they think you mean the old Colt SAA (to some it's a really cheap malt liquor), the old cowboy six shooter. I believe you mean the semi-auto Colt 1911 in .45acp. Yes, it can penetrate a skull better than most rounds. If you are new to guns the worst thing you could do is grab a 1911 as a first gun. There are schools around the country that offer courses in gun handling, care, and use for self defense. If you don't have anyone who can help you I would seriously advise looking into one of the schools. Don't take what you read here or anywhere else on the internet as gospel. There are far too many who sound like they know what they're doing but in fact are giving out dangerous and stupid advice.

Haha your right, my bad, I didn't realize it had so many meanings! Dont worry I wouldnt take any of this as gospel or anything. When I do get my concealed carrying license Ill probably just get a little .22 or revolver like you said to start atleast. I just wanted to know if that would be the ideal pistol for hypothetical zed fighting mainly. From what you say seems like it would be.

[Bob]

I would not recommend .380 for a beginner.
It's lack of horsepower makes it more of an experts round.
Shot placement becomes very very important.

9mm is not a great choice but is a good choice.
Just don't expect wonders from fmj.
You will want to find a good high performance round.
It's hard to argue with high capacity, low recoil.

Keep in mind what Hotlead says about 9mm though.

[CAVU45]

Haha your right, my bad, I didn't realize it had so many meanings! Dont worry I wouldnt take any of this as gospel or anything. When I do get my concealed carrying license Ill probably just get a little .22 or revolver like you said to start atleast. I just wanted to know if that would be the ideal pistol for hypothetical zed fighting mainly. From what you say seems like it would be.

A.22lr revolver????? Egads woman!!! haven't you been paying attention? No,no, no!!!! Forget the mousegun. Go for something more substantial, especially if your life depends on it. If it's a revolver you choose, make it at least a .357 (you can run .38 special rounds through it).

[hotlead]

My recommendation for someones first handgun has always been a medium frame 4-6" double action .357 revolver. S&W 686 and Colt Python comes to mind.

Easy to learn the fundamentals with that, and you can stick with .38s untill ready for .357s. A good .38+P hollow point will handle most self defense situations you're likely to encounter, and regular .38spl is relatively cheap and just fine for practice.

[unnamedbaby77]

38 pack a decent wallop themselves!

and to reiterate I agree with everyone , a great starting weapon is a good colt or S&W double action 38/357 revolver.

No jams to clear or slides and safety's to fumble with in a panic .

manageable recoil with a lot of punch and like a pump shotgun most people have a change of heart when they hear a revolver cocking...

[TypH]

i think it's a mix of stick to the shadows an a small group for me. gotta watch out for snipers i the dark like from 28weeks later though so i wont go around corners first:lol:

[zombabe]

Wow you are all agreeing on one gun :lol: ...I guess Ill definitely keep the 38/357 revolver in mind then.

[mellisallen]

the good thing about 9mm is that its widely used, which mean your more likely to come accrossed in travels (look for dead cops and military)

[CAVU45]

Wow you are all agreeing on one gun :lol: ...I guess Ill definitely keep the 38/357 revolver in mind then.

Yep. Any knowledgeable shooter, regardles of preffered platform, will agree on the .38/.357. If you want a inexpensive yet reliable revolver look at the Taurus or Ruger line, especially the Ruger SP101 or GP100.

[Bob]

Yep. Any knowledgeable shooter, regardles of preffered platform, will agree on the .38/.357. If you want a inexpensive yet reliable revolver look at the Taurus or Ruger line, especially the Ruger SP101 or GP100.

I am down to two revolvers left on my list.
A 4" 686 is what I am looking for.
Actually I would like to find a deal on 4 of them is you come across a batch of them.

[unnamedbaby77]

that sounds practical :D ......I am trying selling off everything in my collection of weapons that I cant/wont carry on me...one solid loadout is all I want...i never understood collecting Tons of guns....I guess thats cause I am poor and CANT do so.....

[kiltedninja]

I don't understand a lot of things, but I do them anyway. Just cause.

[plague]

When I do get my concealed carrying license Ill probably just get a little .22 or revolver like you said to start atleast. I just wanted to know if that would be the ideal pistol for hypothetical zed fighting mainly. From what you say seems like it would be.

Do not get a .22, especially not a .22 revolver. Unless you have perfect aim, they will not stop anything. Take this from a fellow female who has experience with one. You would be much better off with a compact semi-automatic pistol, such as a glock 9 or 40, maybe even a 45(depending on how you handle the recoil). Even if you don't end up using them against the zombies, they are much better for personal protection than a .22.