Zombies, Looters, & Rodents Oh My! [Archive]

8mmUltra

11-06-2007, 08:32 PM

Yes, this is a repeat Thread! I hope the GODs/MODs at ATZ will allow it to continue seeing that US&D Thread is closed and this is NOT a weapons conversation. I believe this subject should be talked about before a Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak.

This being said, we should all be here to talk about the upcoming Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak and how we plan and hope to survive this event. The first threat to human existence is the flesheating ghouls, they will actively hunt us to consume our flesh, and seek world domination (OK, I was a little over the top.). Mankind (gender nonspecific), are not prepared physically, emotionally, or mechanically for such a horrific reality. As always, there are a few of ATZ members out there that label us as gun nuts, survivalists, anarchists, and 5150s (aka Looney Toons or NUT JOBS), I can live with that and will mourn your deaths. The survivors/extremists have take steps to insure the human race will survive the upcoming Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak, repopulate the earth with the living, and rebuild the world.

In many other threads, on ATZ, we were able to openly talk about the secondary threat of an outbreak, the looters, gang bangers, and opportunist. What ever you call them these people will be amoral survivors, they will try to kill you, steal your possessions, and leave you helpless against the undead hordes. We will save this conversation for a later date.

Now, for the biggest threats after the outbreak occurs, Insects, Rodents, Dogs, Cats, and other Predatory animals. These lethal creatures will have a smorgasbord on the decaying bodies of the uninfected, attack your stores of food, and ad an additional threat to your existence. It is my belief that these animals and insects will not feed on the corpses of the infected bodies, they will search out your valuable supplies. (I could get into the whole scientific thing but let’s just say, no they won’t eat infected flesh.) This leaves your food stores, supplies that you could scrounge/scavenge/loot, you, me, and the members of your team as “soup of the day” for these critters to prey upon.

So my question is; how have you prepared for the tertiary threat of animals, insects, and vermin that will run ramped post the Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak or is this even on your RADAR?

AN OLD SHOE

11-06-2007, 09:58 PM

well originally i only thought about poisonous snakes/spiders...and bigger things like bears/lions......but they mostly dont seem to bother me much...if i find a dog or cat i will take care of it or if need be eat it(i gotta live)....but i can use the animals as guards and security defenses....most the food will be stored in a special facility...and if its way after the outbreak any food out of my security zone that isnt canned will be useless...except ramen noodles....where i live now has few problems...and where i plan on going when Z day arrives is also...alright...

i would just have to keep an eye out when walking through tall grass....

8mmUltra

11-06-2007, 10:08 PM

Alligators, Crocodiles, & Como Dragons, O’MY! I see your point for your location… You guys have a terrible rat population, Dog, Cat, & Rat make a fine meal but in packs they can be very dangerous. Insects will be a problem on Biblical proportions.

AN OLD SHOE

11-06-2007, 10:11 PM

of course lol florida is like mosquito land!

well how my plans are for my security "safe zone" i wont have to worry about much...my farming area will be mostly indoors.....and well the dogs and stuff will be great food...but possibly disease ridden....

what are your plans 8mm?

8mmUltra

11-06-2007, 10:37 PM

The area that I have been looking at is VERY secure too… I was thinking about rooftop farming. The roofs of the buildings are over 30 feet high and will provide some security to crops from insects. I am not too worried about medium/large animals as they will have a difficult time penetrating the fences and walls that surround my chosen location. It is the smaller critters like moles/mice and other rodents that can penetrate those defenses that I worry about. Yes, I plan on traps and poisons but those have collateral damages that might prove to be costly. A friend of mine had a recent RAT problem, we baited an area and every night for two weeks I did a rat shoot. I killed over three-hundred rats in those two weeks with my 5mm air rifle. There is more for me to say but I should wait and let others chime in.

AN OLD SHOE

11-06-2007, 10:43 PM

yeah i was gonna do roof farming on my area...but we have hurricane season...so that wouldnt work to well lol

the place im going to (a wearhouse) is about as big as if not bigger then a mall...and it only has 1 entrance! that entrance has storm shutters,a cage around the entrance, and more!!!

the building has a garage,greenhouse,2nd floor....just about everything you could ever need!

yeah rats would be a problem...but they make great food....its spiders and roaches i hate

retro zombie killer

11-06-2007, 11:40 PM

No my number one fear so far is the Zombies. I'd take other dangers as it came along at first. I hope to get on a boat so I'd have to worry about Pirates. Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Cheap Tattoo of fifteen Men on a Zombie's rotted chest yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. I just had to get that out. I'll be singing that all night as will you all.:evil: Good Idea for a thread Topic. Will return when I have more to input that doesn't involve singing.:)

8mmUltra

11-10-2007, 10:26 AM

My #1 fear is “Zombies” also. However they are larger targets and can be held a bay with common tools a knowledge. The critters/insects/animals/etc are the unknown factors in the post outbreak world. They are small and voracious, they carry disease, and reproduce buy the thousands, possibly a greater threat than the ghouls themselves. I have prepared for the rise of the rodents. I was wondering who else might have thought of this and what have they done do prepare??? I would like some additional ideas from ATZ members.

Corpse Grinder

11-10-2007, 01:34 PM

What would suck would be that you're doing fine, holed up safe and sound from the zombie attacks when all of the sudden, you and/or your party shows signs of Bubonic Plague.

Rats would be a big problem since not only they are potential plague carriers, but also that they can eat anything. They've been known to eat electrical wires-causing your fort to lose power and/or a fire and if you can't contain that fire and your escape route is cut off, well...

The rats could also eat through your doors or walls, weakening them for any zeds or mauraders to get through.

And who's to say they can't eat a zombie and not get infected? They'll be carrying the zed disease, bite you or your party and now you have an outbreak inside. The worse would be that the rats become infected and they would be harder to destroy than human infecteds.

Then there's the mosquitoes, they could be carrying Malaria and other diseases. They could pass it on from one person to the next, from one outpost to the next.

And just because the Zombie Survival Guide says Mosquitoes can't suck on the blood of zombies doesn't mean that they can't when you are in the process of being infected after being bit. Better break out the Deet and the citronella candles.

Then there's the dangers of you contaminating your fort/safehouse. Some people here say they'll just go in the woods or mountains. But without proper sewage and medicines, you can have a cholera outbreak and wipe out your entire group.

It's easy to think that we can survive anything but when shit hits the fan and you're unprepared and far from your idyllic safe zone, remember that bacteria and cockroaches have survived far longer than us.

AN OLD SHOE

11-10-2007, 02:28 PM

those are good points....i havent thought of much about the rodents...except kll them and eat them....if they look safe to eat...

but how plan on having my fortress set up should make my area very safe....its a wearhouse...and i plan on moving all the shelfs to the outer walls or move them outside by the gas pump...there is a gas station nextt to the autozone part of the wearhouse....so all the shelves that could be possible homes will be gone and used for protection on the outer walls....then we just plan on cleaning up after ourselves...and not leaving open food up....we will do in depth sweeps of the building 1-2 times a day...and leave mouse traps etc...

let me look for a over view google image pic of my fort...tell me what you think

i know its in the city...and i am in a really big city...but i think it would be better...i always have my escape plan...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=10508347333167188475,30.317817,-81.487371&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=30.317817,+-81.487371&daddr=&mra=ps&mrcr=0&sll=30.317822,-81.48728&sspn=0.00207,0.003616&layer=t&ie=UTF8&ll=30.317358,-81.489598&spn=0.00414,0.007231&t=h&z=17&om=1

the building on the right is the place where i mainly wanna be..it has more generators,food,a car garage,greenhouse, and a gas station...

the place on the left will be the 2nd place i take over.... what do you guys think?

8mmUltra

11-10-2007, 03:43 PM

I don’t want to be critical and you know your area better than I do. So here it goes, aren’t you a little too close to major roads? Kind of sticking out there a little easy to see?

I wonder about you idea to stay in Florida. There are natural hazards that could be very dangerous. I also think the water around your location could be a blessing and a sin. Hell, you know what is best for you and yours.

I won’t push the issue beyond this…

AN OLD SHOE

11-10-2007, 03:55 PM

well....its ok i would like crticism on my area...it helps me re work it...

yes there are open roads and the crime rate in my city is number 1 in america...but that place and the neighboring place have few entrances...

its kinda hard to find a quiet road in my city haha....

what im saying is i set that area up....and well if it doesnt work ou there is always head north..... or i could head north and after the main attack head back there....

the hurricanes and stuff could help me out...like wipe all the zeds away

but i can see what ur talking about..its just i know my city like the back of my hand...and i have escape plans if everything doesnt work as planned...but everyone will be trying to leave my city....so why get caught up in th emayhem of leaving and risk getting killed...when i can stay where i know best where only a mad man would think of...and make it amazing....sure i might leave after the great panic and innitial outbreak but im just saying...first i have to survive the great panic!

Pain

11-11-2007, 10:51 AM

My god Ultra, you know that everyone will be with me when the shit hits the fan:drinking:

8mmUltra

11-11-2007, 11:33 AM

Well PAIN, I was hoping to open a West Coast extermination business and leave the rest of the WORLD to you.

Pain

11-11-2007, 11:43 AM

All in a days work for me:lol:

8mmUltra

11-25-2007, 07:43 PM

So, what have all of the members @ ATZ done to get ready for the horde of bugs, rodents, and looters?

AN OLD SHOE

11-25-2007, 08:21 PM

well i will spray bug spray once a month for the bugs, and clean up and make sure that all food, rotten or not will be contained and kept in a storage area

for animals and looters for a start i plan on glueing and taking up cracks on the area and heavily barracading my safe house so much that a car couldnt crash through it....but with time i plan on digging a trench around the perimeter and putting spikes in the pit and maybe water too....

i will light a huge fire everynow an then..that keeps animals away and could be used to show survivors where a safe place is...but that might also attract looters...so idk

lavel

11-29-2007, 03:37 PM

Those darn looters...:x

ZombieFreeWorld

11-29-2007, 04:20 PM

the hordes of bugs and vermin will not be as an immediate threat as the Zombie outbreak. Bugs wont go crazy once it all goes down. vermin will be the same but if not they will multiply a bunch and all your going to have to do is just kill them to. When zombies happen civilized life as we know it will be depleted to a sense. but it will not effect the envoirment as a hole. yes cities will burn and of course the goverment will of course try to nuke them eventully. but it wont really be to bad as long as you are smart.

8mmUltra

12-01-2007, 02:11 PM

There are some of you that think there will not be problems with rodents and other critters post an outbreak. You could not be more wrong.

One cat can have three litters of six every year – if those kittens aren’t spayed or neutered, they can produce over 400,000 cats in seven years.

Recent history (Katrina & Rita) shows that there will be a huge issue with domestic animals gone wild not to mention the rodent/insect problems.

Augustus Desius

12-02-2007, 03:52 AM

With any luck, you can catch most of the soon to be quasi-domestic pets and turn them to food, assuming they aren't entirely defiled with blight. Also, some bugs make good food, though not mosquitos. Nothing but trouble, those.

We can eat most of the things mentioned here, so I believe if a large enough human population accumulates in one spot, the animal and rodent issue will probably work itself out. Crime will go through the roof though. Nothing allows crime to grow in abundance as much as anonymity. Also, human pollution (waste) will probably kill us first with the sewers and power malfunctioning.

Mmmmm. Stir fry locust and roach, with a healthy helping of rat burger and Ma's "mystery" meat stew. Add some cattail root and some bone marrow/ blood gravy and you have yourself a feast. :)

. . . . Actually, it doesn't sound that bad. Just need to replace the roach with a more palatable bug, like grubs.

8mmUltra

12-03-2007, 08:11 PM

8mmUltra

12-09-2007, 11:58 PM

According to the World Health Organization over two million people are killed via mosquito bites every year. . . Yes, bugs and critters are dangerious!

8mmUltra

01-04-2008, 04:52 PM

Where are the MEMBERS of ATZ?

ZombieFreeWorld

01-04-2008, 11:27 PM

waves im right here lol

i still believe that it would take years for vermin and rodents and wild domesticated animals to be a real big problem. Bugs out number us a 1,000,000,000 to 1 and i highly doubt with the number of bugs we kill each day it still doesn't put a dent into that stat. i feel that bugs and other critters of the night will be a problem but i also feel that the cities that burn and all that Zombie Apocolypse jazz just means the cities will be returned to the power of the wild and humans that survive will be like we orginally were designed to be. NOT THE TOP OF THE FOOD CHAIN

8mmUltra

01-06-2008, 01:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSqn4g1novE

It happens all the time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njDeZoShqBA

ZombieFreeWorld

01-06-2008, 01:59 PM

"Those Who Forget History Are Doomed to Repeat It"?

Plague is a larger concern than many people think, the reason I bring to word “Plague” into this conversation is to let you know that plague is most often carried by the critters, insects, and transients that I am warning you against. Bubonic plague, typhus, smallpox, yellow fever, influenza, scarlet fever, malaria, diphtheria, and poliomyelitis are some infectious diseases that have resulted in epidemic or pandemic outbreaks throughout history. How great is it to survive a Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak only to die from tick fever or another preventable disease carried by rodents? Addressing this issue in advance could save your team or family from a devastating disease that is more difficult to destroy than ghouls.

The danger posed by epidemic disease has not been eliminated by modern health and hygiene practices. The ever-enlarging human population, rapid international transportation, developing resistance to medication by known disease agents, insect resistance to insecticides and medical complacency have both generated new strains of old diseases and increased the possibility of epidemics caused by emerging new diseases.

As a side note, I have killed and prepared many different wild game animals/critters to include mongoose/rat/cat/snake/monkey/squirrel/prairie dog/etc. (too long of a list to include all) and eating diseased meet and insects does not sound appetizing, even with BBQ sauce.

There are ways to check harvested game for disease and I will talk about that in “Post Outbreak Zombie Survival” later.

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You bring up a lot of valid points. I did my research and i do take back my older post. Rodents would pose a huge threat seeing as a clan of rats can reproduce with the prime condidtions up to 100 rats a year. Meaning if 100 rats produced another 100 rats and so on and so fourth you are looking at an alarming rate of rodents in a small area. But i do have to bring up the point that rodents would find it extremely hard to reproduce seeing as pretty much all the major cities that hold most of these rodents would be burning to the ground. If anything insects would pose more of a threat then rodents in the short term. I personally when the zombie outbreak happens i am going to grab as many medical supplies as i can. To help prevent these common problems.
Also, i am a huge hunter.( i use bow and arrow) i have hunted moose/bears/bobcats/wild lions....etc etc ( to much to post) and no game that has been infected does not sound tasty. even with BBQ sauce lol.

8mmUltra

01-06-2008, 02:28 PM

You bring up a lot of valid points. I did my research and i do take back my older post. Rodents would pose a huge threat seeing as a clan of rats can reproduce with the prime condidtions up to 100 rats a year. Meaning if 100 rats produced another 100 rats and so on and so fourth you are looking at an alarming rate of rodents in a small area. But i do have to bring up the point that rodents would find it extremely hard to reproduce seeing as pretty much all the major cities that hold most of these rodents would be burning to the ground. If anything insects would pose more of a threat then rodents in the short term. I personally when the zombie outbreak happens i am going to grab as many medical supplies as i can. To help prevent these common problems.
Also, i am a huge hunter.( i use bow and arrow) i have hunted moose/bears/bobcats/wild lions....etc etc ( to much to post) and no game that has been infected does not sound tasty. even with BBQ sauce lol.

ZFW [COLOR="Yellow"]- Nice to have a friend. . .

ZombieFreeWorld

01-06-2008, 05:48 PM

ZFW - Nice to have a friend. . .

yea deff like the debating partner lol

destroy the stairs

01-07-2008, 12:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSqn4g1novE

It happens all the time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njDeZoShqBA

the cricket video was insane

ZombieFreeWorld

01-07-2008, 01:15 PM

you guys hear about the Zombie snail? it mad freaky you should all check it out.

hatefuldisplay

01-07-2008, 01:50 PM

As for rodents, maybe we should all consider some Decon in our packs to prevent them from getting out of control in our chosen Bases of Operations. It's light enough and small enough not to be an inconvenience to the survivor on the move.

As for gang bangers, I don't think they'll be a big worry after the first couple weeks of a full-blown outbreak. How many head shots can you make while firing a pistol turned to the side or upside down? How much ammunition can they possibly have? Percentage of gang bangers dead in the first couple weeks will probably be somewhere around 99 or so.

As for looters, they will also be less of a concern as time passes. Those who invade homes in search of goodies surely won't last long unless they have some type of military/ SWAT-type training to help them out. From a look at looters in the past, they will cause unnecessary havoc to other survivors while getting themselves eaten due to stupidity, rage, and greed.

ZombieFreeWorld

01-07-2008, 03:13 PM

Yea im not to concern with looters and "gang bangers" I am more concerned with the people who see you surviving and try to force themselves in your stronghold. You know the ones who blow your door down just to get in away from the zombies. Next thing you know they rush in and they are followed by a 100 zombies or so. Then you got to protect yourselves. A prime example is in the Max brooks book "World War Z" when that guy built the perfect stronghold next thing you know hundreds of non infected humans come there and break down the fence and ruin it for the people inside. Im sorry to say this but if people came to my stronghold and try to force themselves in and what not. Im not going to the nice guy. I won't be afraid to shoot them down to save the current survivors. The zombie outbreak isn't going to be time to be nice. We all are going to have to make decesions about survival and i will think with no inch of my heart. im going to think smart and if it means mowing down 100 non infected to protect the 100 survivors i have in my stronghold then so be it.

Chaosculture

01-08-2008, 02:00 PM

I'm lucky to be living in Richmond, as there are several small "islands" on the james river. Several are in waters that are too shallow to maintain a reasonable natural defense if the water level is low. One island in particular is less of a tourist location (and therefore, not the first to come to mind to the average panicked citizen), and is in deeper waters. I'm hoping the depth of the water and current would provide a reasonable defense. I would just have to get my hands on some explosives to blow the one foot bridge to the island. As for Mosquitoes (which would be a big issue on a river), I would be screwed if the virus could be transmitted through insect. There remains a distinct possibility that the virus may not be transmitted (just like aids) through insects and that's what i'm betting on. I mean, if one mosquito or flea bite can turn you.... we're all screwed.

hatefuldisplay

01-08-2008, 10:30 PM

I'm lucky to be living in Richmond, as there are several small "islands" on the james river. Several are in waters that are too shallow to maintain a reasonable natural defense if the water level is low. One island in particular is less of a tourist location (and therefore, not the first to come to mind to the average panicked citizen), and is in deeper waters. I'm hoping the depth of the water and current would provide a reasonable defense. I would just have to get my hands on some explosives to blow the one foot bridge to the island.How's the current? I ask this because we have no clue if zombie-types might just walk through water (even above their heads). It would certainly suck if the river didn't have enough current to prevent them from getting to the island easily. One might assume that a rough current would thrash the undead around pretty good if that were the case.

Also, it's a shame it only has a foot bridge. An island with a drivable bridge would be nice to defend if a trailer or bus could be used to block it off from one side. A gate of sorts, I suppose. Kind of like in The Road Runner except using it to block the one entrance to an island instead of a compound.

ZombieFreeWorld

01-10-2008, 01:35 PM

Yea a strong current would be good for defense. You could even use the natural resources for defense. Just cut a bunch of trees down shave them down and what not and turn them into a old school fence. Put it near the island edges. Also for that bridge i wouldn't destroy it. put barrier up and use it for just straight up killing zombies. You said it was a rather small bridge. So what 2 or 3 people wide? if you set up a fence or barrier and use it to make sure not to many zombies are coming your way. Use it as a filter. you understand what im trying to say? like think of this.

let's say you have 100 Zombies coming your way. There is no way you can take them on without some form of defense. Draw them to your bridge where their numbers mean nothing. get them walking down it but only 2 or 3 wide. some of them are going to fall in the water. that's when you hope your current is strong. the rest you just pluck with a gun or wait till they get close enough and hammer the hell out of their skulls. it should be a good defense against zombies.

8mmUltra

02-10-2008, 12:49 PM

The other day I was watching the “History Channel” the episode “Life After People”. Although the show was leaning too “left” for me, it did confirm that insects, rodents, animals, and etc. will be a problem in a Zombie Apocalyptic World.

retro zombie killer

02-10-2008, 11:51 PM

“Life After People” -Ultra you saw that too. I don't think that would be accurate with Zombies thrown in the equation but I bet you know that as well. Good show.:) They showed Chernobyl in Russia or as close as they could get without getting radiated. It was a good look because that is one place in the world that has gone 20 years without people. Where they filmed looked pretty torn up.

Bubonic Plague would be a problem as well. I think somebody already mentioned that though. Another thing in life after people is that they made a good point about losing the electricity. Gotta keep the electricity flowing.

8mmUltra

02-11-2008, 02:38 PM

“Life After People” and “Land of the Dead”, I saw a great similarity between these two documentaries.

Your right, “Bubonic Plague would be a problem as well.” as will other diseases. This is one of the reasons I started this post. Many diseases are carried by insects and rodents. These same critters can infect other animals making the meat harmful for human consumption and destroy food supplies.

Again, I have to agree with you, “Gotta keep the electricity flowing.”. I have spent a lot of time insuring my electrical needs will be met. This has been one of my greatest challenges and I have not mastered it yet. Yes, I am on the grid, I have a generator too, some solar panels, propane powered appliances, and some clever devices to generate power to portable devices.

zombiebadger

02-18-2008, 04:34 PM

I'd take my chances with the animals rather than the zombies, looters would be a real worry though as they can leave you defenseless to zombie attack and have human skills zombies don't.

8mmUltra

02-20-2008, 03:34 PM

OK
Lymphocytic choriomeningitis virus (LCMV), is a rodent-borne viral infectious disease that presents as aseptic meningitis (inflammation of the membrane, or meninges, that surrounds the brain and spinal cord), encephalitis (inflammation of the brain), or meningoencephalitis (inflammation of both the brain and meninges).

Hantavirus pulmonary syndrome = Hantaviruses are a type of virus found in rodents in different parts of the world. In the U.S., human hantavirus infections were first identified in the southwest in 1993. In recent years, sporadic cases have been found in several eastern states including New York. Studies have shown that mice are often infected and appear to be the source of infection.

Human granuocytic anaplasmosis (HGA) is an infection caused by the bacteria Anaplasma phagocytophilum. HGA bacteria infect the whte blood cells of their hosts, specifically a group of cells called granulocytes. People acquire HGA in California, when they are bitten with a western black-legged tick (Ixodes pacificus) infected with HGA bacteria.

Rocky Mountain spotted fever (RMSF) is a serious disease caused by Rickettsia rickettsii bacteria and transmitted to people by ticks, principally the Rocky Mountain wood tick, Dermacentor andersoni and the American dog tick Dermacentor variabilis. In California, RMSF is a rare disease, with only 1 to 3 cases reported per year; most cases are reported from the south Atlantic region of the United States.

Tickborne relapsing fever (TBRF) is a bacterial disease transmitted to people by soft ticks in the genus Ornithodors. TBRF is a rare disease in California with between 1 and 8 cases reported per year, generally during the summer months. People are at risk of contracting TBRF when they sleep in rustic mountain cabins that are infested with wild rodents. The soft ticks that transmit TBRF feed rapidly; most people who contract TBRF have no recollection of a tick bite.

Trench fever is caused by a bacterium, Bartonella quintana, and may also be known as five-day fever and wolhynia. It is transmitted by the human body louse from person to person. People who are infected with trench fever have nonspecific symptoms such as head ache, muscle ache, nausea, and fever. Relapses may occur several times during the course of disease and sometimes years later.

Go ahead and ignore this potential problem. . .

retro zombie killer

02-21-2008, 02:27 AM

8mmUltra-Great to be chatting with you again. Rabies would also be a danger. Food would be rotting in the supermarkets and we'd end up living out of cans or hunting and growing a vegetable garden. They did this during WWII and called 'em Victory Gardens. If we had a WWZ scenario, Victory Gardens would make a big comeback.

doctorsatan

02-21-2008, 02:39 AM

i have a pretty good assortment of food both canned and fresh pluss crate load's of m,r,es so i'll be o.k.

retro zombie killer

02-21-2008, 04:07 PM

doctorsatan You'll be sitting pretty thats for sure. Whats your plane for when the Sh*t hits the fan and dead start walking. Where are you going to hid out. I thought about the neighborhood Womacks but that might not work out because the place might be looked and have people in there already. Namely the owners. I think they would let me in but there might be Zombies after me or I might be injured to I have to come up with an alternate plane. Any suggestions anybody? Has anybody else thought over their plane and seen any unforeseen obstacles like I have.

doctorsatan

02-22-2008, 09:45 PM

retro zombie killer

02-22-2008, 10:06 PM

well since my supplies are at the basement of the facility we are traning at i'd be good since we have ammo weapons people and food.

Sounds like your set then:clap: I wish I was.:-(

mass casualty

03-11-2008, 09:48 PM

There is some good thoughts here.

blaje

03-11-2008, 11:05 PM

Well, After I zombie proof a vehicle, preferably something smaller so the zombies can't tip it(you always see big vans and shit in zombie movies, but with that much surface area they could tip it easy!) so i would get a low to the ground car....maybe a ferrari....and mount a snow plow to it. and when i saw animals that were dangerous i would run them over.
as for home invasion by animals, I'm not really worried about that so much, i figure my zombie barricades could keep out stray dogs.
I guess the safest bet would to keep some antibiotics in case of a bite.

DarthJoe8

03-11-2008, 11:18 PM

I guess the safest bet would to keep some antibiotics in case of a bite.

Antibiotics for what type of bite? Dog bite or zombie bite?

Zombie bite = Your dead. Zombie bites always kill ya.:drinking:

blaje

03-11-2008, 11:46 PM

Dog, you could get an awful infection from a dog that more than likely has been feasting on rotten corpses.

mass casualty

03-12-2008, 12:05 AM

Critters and insects bread diseases. There has to be a more proactive way to eliminate these predators of man.

Maybe traps, poison, or bullets.

DarthJoe8

03-12-2008, 12:12 AM

Dog, you could get an awful infection from a dog that more than likely has been feasting on rotten corpses.

:think:I wonder if dogs would feed on something so foul. Though my dog does eat :poo: . :loon: So who knows.

mass casualty

03-12-2008, 12:34 AM

Dog, you could get an awful infection from a dog that more than likely has been feasting on rotten corpses.

I thought that it has been scientifically proven that a dog's mouth is cleaner than humans?

chewy

03-15-2008, 08:43 PM

I thought that it has been scientifically proven that a dog's mouth is cleaner than humans?

Uh... No. Use some common sense. Humans eat food that has been processed and cooked. Dogs eat whatever interests them. The Health Department has very stringent standards for cleanliness in all food preparation areas. I've seen dogs eat garbage, shit, and vomit. Humans (for the most part) brush their teeth and go see the dentist. Dogs lick their own asses. The assertation that a dog's mouth has fewer bacteria in it than a human's is a urban legend.

ZombieWriter

03-18-2008, 03:36 PM

well also think of it this way how hard can it be to hide food from an animal?* i mean do we put stuff on the ground regularly? i think in the whole facet of a zombie outbreak we would have to have our stores of food just has well protected has we are and if you dont then mabye you do deserve to have animals eat your stuff and then you cause in the future anyone dumb enough to let something that low on the foodchain out think you in order to get at your food then mabye you should apply to become a zombie i hear they are takeing applications.

Faran Brigo

03-18-2008, 03:48 PM

It's not a question of the dog finding your food silly, if you want to have an animal, you have to feed it.

ZombieWriter

03-18-2008, 03:51 PM

awww holy crap i thought you were talking about wild animals.... well then i guess youd just have to compensate for haveing a dog and feed it easy to find supplys... but to be honest in the great panic i dont think very many people will be packing dog food so it shouldnt be tooooo terribly hard to find....

:poo:

fester_hicks

03-26-2008, 03:04 PM

Keep a handy supply of traps. These can be found at quite a few hardware stores. This will help with the 4 legged pests.

Insects: read up on how the older civilizations dealt with it. Combine that with new methods.

Looters/Robbers/Bandits (besides your OWN team, lol): SHOOT TO KILL...

Tripoli

04-12-2008, 11:45 AM

I like the idea of home made traps

fester_hicks

04-16-2008, 06:54 PM

Snares could take care of most 2 or 4 legged "critters"...

Rodents... hopefully the snakes will eat well.

DBCooper

04-26-2008, 09:16 PM

This will be a problem on and after "Z" day. . .

Lian

04-27-2008, 09:58 PM

Well the biggest thing here is to keep your food somewhere were they can't easily get to it. Common sense really, leave your Hamburger laying around something will eat it eventually.

As for way's to combat the problem...well...Buy a really big bug zapper?

http://granitegrok.com/pix/bug_zapper.jpg

And naturally you'll need to find pesticides or something for any crops you have growing...less you wanna try and live out of a sealed green house or something.

For your smaller type rodents and stuff snares could be set up easily. I've used em to catch squirrels and such for dinner.

As for Dog's, cat's, Lion's and bears oh my. I'll kill them with Kindness. See this Crossbow It's named Kindness. Now run over there boy and get that dog we can cook roast that over the spit and eat good for a couple days.

Slash Maraud

05-02-2008, 03:21 PM

Fortifying your safehouse from Zed and looters isn't the same thing. Zed can't rationally think so what works for him will not work for looters. Rodents can be a problem especially if they get in. Traps and pesticide might work for awhile but what happens when the chemicals run out and/or the traps wear out?

Maybe the idea of a cat and dog should be considered but that also increases the risk that one or both might contaminate your area or expose your position to unwanted visitors.

Traps would much easier to store than mass quantities of pesticide. All it takes is a small hole or faulty container and you are going to be sick or worse from breathing or ingesting this stuff.

Evil Pug

05-05-2008, 04:22 AM

Now, for the biggest threats after the outbreak occurs, Insects, Rodents, Dogs, Cats, and other Predatory animals. These lethal creatures will have a smorgasbord on the decaying bodies of the uninfected, attack your stores of food, and ad an additional threat to your existence. It is my belief that these animals and insects will not feed on the corpses of the infected bodies, they will search out your valuable supplies. (I could get into the whole scientific thing but let’s just say, no they won’t eat infected flesh.) This leaves your food stores, supplies that you could scrounge/scavenge/loot, you, me, and the members of your team as “soup of the day” for these critters to prey upon.

So my question is; how have you prepared for the tertiary threat of animals, insects, and vermin that will run ramped post the Zombie Apocalyptic Outbreak or is this even on your RADAR?

Rats and insects are a great source of protein for your survival. Keeping a few dogs around will act as a early warning system for any zeds in the area. Cats will help eat any rats or insects that you don't want. Most predatory animals don't feed on humans. So I think that will not be a major problem come Z-day.

JakAttak

06-18-2008, 10:45 PM

keeping dogs is a good idea 'cause and I hate saying this but you could eat them if you ran out of food

BenAli

07-13-2008, 12:03 PM

What about an air rifle to control pest?

JakAttak

07-14-2008, 01:20 PM

what about your foot?

Tripoli

07-22-2008, 11:00 PM

I like the air rifle... rat killings are fun... you city folk might not know much about that....

Behemoth

08-06-2008, 09:36 AM

Upon reading another post in different thread, this topic interested me, so here are my views.
I belive that the people you would see running down the streets with plasma sreeens & laptops are doing so because they feel they will sit out the outbreak & get rich selling the goods afterwards. I don't think there is any deeper feeling of being without luxury, so pertaining to i will loot a rolex or a case of krug.
I have always felt that this period would be the most dangerous time of an outbreak, to hell with the zombies, it's the trigger happy cops & crackhead looters to be afraid of.

JakAttak

08-06-2008, 08:29 PM

I like the air rifle... rat killings are fun... you city folk might not know much about that....

don't call me a city boy.

and yeah in the beginning looters will be a problem but they have to worry about Zs just as much as we do.

Tripoli

08-23-2008, 11:25 AM

Well I have decided and purchased mouse and rat traps and two jars of peanut butter. Like I wrote, this to take cake of the mouse and rat problem that will accompany the rise of the dead. Like I mentioned earlier, I have an air rifle with several thousand pellets. This rifle can also be used to hunt small game (rabbit, squirrel, quail, etc). Poisons? I don’t think that is a good idea. The rodent will consume the poisoned bait, scurry off, die, rot, and provide a disease and insect breading ground. “8mm” got it right, without living man keeping rodents in check they will breed out of control.

Looters! Yes, I’ve watched the news reports following natural and manmade disasters, and these people (the survivors) became lawless looters. This living horde of “Bad Guys” raped, murdered, robbed, and destroyed every life they came in contact with. So, yes “looters” will be as big if not bigger threat to the individual or the prepared. The only to combat these “LAWLESS” bands of thugs is stealth and superior firepower!

JakAttak, no one called you a “city boy”. So it isn’t about you…

DevilsRain

09-05-2008, 11:37 PM

I think this is a serious issue!

Trumble0

09-05-2008, 11:55 PM

I would keep my food in those plastic containers that have snap downs kind of like an ammo tin design to keep it from rats. As far as insects go, grab a couple packs of DEET throw some around the safe house and strap one on your helmet. My .40, .30-06 and 12 gauge will take care of any looters, employ the old, pots and pans on door handles/windows to hear intruders. Or you could always pull a Home Alone and set a bunch of needlessly elaborate traps for burglars, I mean what else are you going to do to pass the time? How classic is a blowtorch to the head :lol:

Bob

11-25-2008, 05:00 PM

Some of our country kin could raise crops and food critters and do ok if the city survivors would leave them alone.
But that just ain't going to happen.
The city gangs will leave the cities when the food and drugs run out.
They will first raid the suburbs then slowly move on out to the country.
I worry more about them than the shamblers.
In small numbers shamblers are manageable if one is determined.
Long term with no surviving infrastructure I am convinced life will be miserable.
I am just not sure if life is worth living without Coca Cola :cry:

The mortality rate is going to be astonishing once modern medicine is a thing of the past.
Simple infections are going to kill people.
Simple ailments like the flu is going to kill people.
When is the last time you had a bad cold and took nothing to unblock your sinuses.
When is the last time you had a high fever and took nothing to reduce it?
How many of you go through a box of band aids every time you get a small cut?
How many of you wash your hands multiple times a day, even when they look clean?
How many of you have no idea how to clean a fish?
How many of you can clean a rabbit without contaminating the meat?
What happens the first time you get dysentery, it is possible to shirt yourself to death.
Stepped on a nail recently?
When is the last time you had to drink water out of a ditch?

ryan112ryan

11-26-2008, 12:09 AM

I definetly think lack of modern medicine and surgical techniques will be a huge probleme, much larger than we think! While our anncestors didn't have antibiotics, we today would have to contend with resistant strains they never had to!

Second, Anarchy and lack of organization on a civil level will be an issue. While many people will band togeather and work for the common good, help those in need, roving gangs will hinder us.

Also lack of knowledge on growing, herding, construction, power/electrical generation and other key tech will be a big issue. We are specialized in our jobs, knowledge and trades. Many of you might think you know enough, that you are jack of all trades or the Renaissance man, but two facts exists. two spectrums, first specialization to jack of all trades, second success to no success

Specialized in one task ---------------------------------------middle----------------------------------------Jack of all trades

High success-------------------------------------------------middle----------------------------------------low to no success

The more trades you have the larger the chance you have to fail, failure is deadly when you are in a survival situation

we may know how to grow a house plant, the basics of engine repair, know you have to feed cattle, how to roof a home and understand basics of electricity will we excell at any of these?
What happens when a particular beetle infests your crops?
would you be able to machine a new piston from scratch?
What if your cattle has foot and mouth disease, I don't know how to tell?
How does one properly ensure load bearing beams will be enough?
How can you increase efficiencies and scale power generation applications?

You may know the answers to all of these, but for every question we know, there are a 1000 that we have no idea, where we never had to figure out because a specialist did it for us today in modern society.

In short.....we are screwed!

Unless you happen to have people from all walks of life, of all trainings and specialties. Then they have to survive, get along, have proper support and materials. Its allot left to chance and allot of "IFs" and you have allot of catch up to do when we almost start back a zero with all the odds stacked against us, good luck :)

kanUsurvive

11-26-2008, 03:39 AM

I live in the country and let me tell you. It is pretty well armed down here. The people from the city better come prepared if they try and come in and takeover. They don't know anything about the woods and would be lost.
I never take medicine for anything. If I get a cold I let it go away. A headache the same thing. I think medicine makes you weaker. Then you get dependent on it. I think I would have a pretty good shot at survival.

Bob

11-26-2008, 07:53 AM

What happened here?
Where was this thread dredged up from?

Darkness

11-26-2008, 08:17 AM

"The Index Thread at the top of the page."

homelitexl

11-26-2008, 12:03 PM

:poo:what index :poo: thre:poo:ad???????????????????

mattifikation

11-26-2008, 01:44 PM

Grow up........

Darkness

11-26-2008, 06:34 PM

"I'll say this again......."

"At the top of the Undead Survival & Defense Section list, there is a Sticky Thread, called 'Index and Discriptions of US&D Threads', THAT'S THE INDEX! Please use it. This is the only section that has one. Here's the link, in case you still get lost."

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15744

"My wise advice? READ the OTHER threads BRFORE you start making new ones."

"Now let's get this thread back on topic."

Zombies101

11-30-2008, 11:29 AM

This is an interesting thread. Although this forum and site is about the undead, a triple threat does exist in a post Zompocalypse world.

The number one threat is the undead themselves. There are many different beliefs on exactly what causes zombie-ism and exactly how long it takes for a dead body to reanimate to consume the flesh of the living. I have my own theories and they are expressed in my book (Zombies 101). No matter what causes the dead to rise a “True Survivor” has prepared for most if not all contingencies and types of zombies that will walk the earth searching for warm human flesh.

If history has taught us one thing, that is, in time of crisis mankind is at its best and worst at the same time. In other words, there are incredible acts of kindness, compassion, and selflessness by some and horrific acts of greed, aggression, and selfishness by others. Those are the looters, gangbangers, or bands of lawless anarchist, bent on yours and/or your family’s destruction. Their sole purpose of these lawless individuals is to take life, take what you have made or preserved, and destroy the beliefs that you hold true.

How do you fight such soulless animals? You fight them with heart, courage, and firepower. Yes, you must be able to meet the challenge of “looters” with superior firepower and tactics. To do this a survivor should understand the basic military concepts like defensive positions, recognizance, ambushes, raids, man trapping, and improvised weaponry. (To mention a few)

As I read the initial post, rodents are more than rats, mice, and small animals. It seems to me that the original poster was talking about insects, small animals, and snakes too. Flees, ticks, roaches, mites, mosquitoes, and other parasites are a huge threat to the health of the living. Yes, a huge threat! Disease carrying insects can and have wiped out millions of otherwise healthy societies from the planet. Rodents like mice and rats have carried ticks, flees and other creepy crawlers into a civilized community searching for food from the beginning of life. Is this a threat in a Zompocalypse World? Yes, it is!

Bob

11-30-2008, 04:37 PM

Vermin will abound and with them will come disease.
Without vaccines illness that we take for granted will return with a vengeance.
For example is Polio really eradicated or is it waiting in the wings?

Lurker13

11-30-2008, 06:07 PM

Rats and mice will increase for awhile around citys cuz of all the dead people for em to eat. gross! That should only last a few years because all the dead people will be gone and the rats wont have the food to eat. Unless they eat zombies then good for them! Out in the smaller areas without many people the rats wont have extra food and shouldnt be so outof control and then the food will be less after a while cuz of no trash and stuff since were all dead! What i worry about is the insects but i dont know enough about that to be sure what will happen there. Its not like this country was overun with bugs before we were civilized. Indians werent eaten by swarms of beetles or drained by giganic clouds of moskeetos. After the first year most dead will have rotted away or been eaten and the bugs should be normal again i think, but without sprays and stuff it would seem worse in our homes.