Found: the perfect survival vehicle

[Behemoth]

True the bike is not that common, but they do exist and with the cost of fuel and environmental issues spurring new solutions to the problems you will see things like this kind of bike becoming more common and cheap. This is also a hypothetical question where almost anything goes, for example, where would you get a tank? Even if you could, do you know how to drive one? If you know enough about electronic engineering you maybe able to jimmy rig up something similar.
I have also heard of regenerative power bikes, i'll do a bit more searching see if i can find some pics/info.
As for the tank, as i said it was driving alongside me on the road, you can purchase them the same way as buying a car. If i was passing there is a tank museum i know of where i might be able to borrow one.

Wouldn't a simple humvee be just fine? You could convert the engine to save on fuel consumption
Convert the engine how? Alternative fuels will be in short supply as well as gas/deisel.

[JakAttak]

True the bike is not that common, but they do exist and with the cost of fuel and environmental issues spurring new solutions to the problems you will see things like this kind of bike becoming more common and cheap. This is also a hypothetical question where almost anything goes, for example, where would you get a tank? Even if you could, do you know how to drive one? If you know enough about electronic engineering you maybe able to jimmy rig up something similar.
i live around a military armory that specializes in vehicles of an armored nature.

[stark55]

I just need that mountain bike to take me about 2 miles to the near by woods. Once Im in the woods, Im at home!

Woods are impossible for zombies to navigate because of all the limbs and such so the woods would be one of the safest places

the Rockies for me getting up would take them forever and few would get far down hill with out being damaged.

[JakAttak]

Appalachian trail for me 100 miles or so but I could get there on a bike take about a week or so.

[deadrising08]

tell me what you think the best vehicle would be and why!

[mattifikation]

Most of us have told you this already, in this thread:

"Found: the perfect survival vehicle"
http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14311

[nilskidoo]

I would prefer a decommissioned short bus.
It must have hydraulics- so it can bounce like a low-rider, and it must maintain its elevator lift.
They are roomier and have more elevation than most vans, get far better gas mileage than any SUV, and are surprisingly maneuverable.

[DevilsRain]

I like a 4x4 ATV. They are easy to ride and carry lots of stuff and go almost any place.

[woody101]

actually you could have a basket on the front and a large bag on the back of some bikes

+ the backpack on ur back

[Zombie Slayer]

This is sort of off the subject of the "perfect survival vehicle" but still involves transportation during a zed crisis. A motorcycle wouldn't be my first choice for transportation but if I had to then I sure as hell would ride mine to my destination. I'm sure you could survive so long as you kept on moving and had a good head on your shoulders. The bikers on DOTD (org) did it...so I think it is plausible. What do you guys think? Would any of you ride a bike (motorcycle) to your destination. As a side note, I would be more reluctant to ride if the zeds were of the 28 days later, DOTD 04 type...I just see them jumping in front of me and sending me sliding if not flipping over. It would take just one if not maybe two of them suckers to make you lose it. Seen many a motorcycle lose it by hitting small dogs or buzzards...just imagine a full grown human errr...zed that is.

[Gummerfan]

If I ever win the lottery, I'm giving these folks a call:
http://www.terrawind.com/

[Trumble0]

If I ever win the lottery, I'm giving these folks a call:
http://www.terrawind.com/

A guy down the road from me had an Amphibious 6 wheeler... it was pretty cool looking, but it was all open top so IDk if I'd wanna be in that beast during an outbreak. I think I'd probably take a M35 Deuce and a Half, or maybe an Old Halftrack if I had one. I've though about what I would need to do to turn a pick up truck into a Half-track... but I think it would be alot of work. I think a deuce and a half with Rear treads would be boss though, Fill the front tires with Foam rubber so if you pop a tire it would still keep going, weld some steel grating over the windows and windshield and perhaps fashion some sort of Cow catcher on the front. :evil:

[Gummerfan]

Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but check these out:
http://www.mattracks.com/index.htm

[Trumble0]

Probably not exactly what you're looking for, but check these out:
http://www.mattracks.com/index.htm

Those would do perfectly... I wonder if you can get away with just 1 set, like just rear treads and still keep tires in the front... I think the treads would provide traction and such and tires ont he front would be easier to steer than another pair of treads on the front.

[Gummerfan]

I've wondered that myself. I think I saw a pic once of a deuce&1/2 set up like that.
What I don't like about them is that they're limited to like 35 mph. That's okay for offroad, but if I'm trying to flee down the highway, I'd want to go MUCH faster. :scare:

[Trumble0]

I think it would be sweet to have one big continous tread on each side like a tank, Ive seen some sick Powerslides in tanks. We had to watch a movie about the first gulf war, and after it was over they showed Hummers and Abrams tanks doing donuts and powerslides out on these huge sand dunes... it was wicked funny.

[homelitexl]

death coster army of darkness car with the spining blade for non fans

[Bob]

homelitexl

You spell so well when you were in college you must have a majored in Throat Singing.

[homelitexl]

that how it spelled or my grandmas lincoln continental would work

[weirdbeard]

i would go with an 80 series Toyota Land Cruiser,

AWD
high and low geared transfer case
electronic lockers and Center diff lock
straight axel
OME 2.5 lift
aux fuel tank that allows vehicle to carry 82 gallons
bio-diesel conversion is available - you can pick up used oil from fast food places for free
security film for windows
dual battery set-up allows for electrical gear to be added
onboard water tank with filtering system
safari rack for outside storage
offroad lights
black out lights
vehicle armor is readily available
HAM and 2 meter radio on board
vehicle fridge for perishables (you can keep stuff frozen)
on board welder capable
on board air compressor
recovery gear (getting yourself unstuck)
bull bar with winch
Snorkel

these are considered to be the epitomy of commercial off road vehicles on par with Defender series and much easier to get parts for, can be found on every continent in the world, everything listed above is available commercially. When these were new they went for roughly 45K, they can now be had for 4-7K. While mine is not finished yet, its well along the way. And i have room on the rack for a bike!
http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/40031/2707246660034696539S600x600Q85.jpg

[homelitexl]

fine thats how you play,
1970 scout
jacked up four wheel drive
front end welded up for a demy derby
rifle rack
spot lights
bars on windows
trunk compatable with giant ass gas tank
my nieghbor has one.

[weirdbeard]

aren't those hard to get parts for? if it was made 38 years ago i would think that most of the systems are obsolete, also too high and the COG is drastically changed, which makes any lifted vehicle easy to roll. Got any pics?

[Gummerfan]

I've got some plans in mind for the Big Weird Jeep (aka the "Gummerwagon"):lol:
http://gummerfansmonsterhunterhq.blogspot.com/2008/06/gummerwagon-my-research-vehicle.html
Most of the lift kits I've seen seem to be more trouble than they're worth, and so far, the aftermarket has yet to come out with a decent offroad bumper, just some wimpy "brush guards". But hopefully that'll change.
A guy in my local paranormal research group works for a film production company and he said they can build me an authentic prop minigun, complete with motor-driven spinning barrels for around $500.00. I'd never spend that for a prop, but it would look cool sticking out of the sunroof! :D

[homelitexl]

aren't those hard to get parts for? if it was made 38 years ago i would think that most of the systems are obsolete, also too high and the COG is drastically changed, which makes any lifted vehicle easy to roll. Got any pics?

no plenty of parts cars are sitting around here, he wants a 100$ for it.

[Subgenius]

My best zombie survival vehicles tend to be big and able to crush many zombies as it drives through them. This truck [pictured below] is a Sayville fire truck, which can be found in places where forest fires and brush fires would break out. It's a monster truck of a different sort.

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r134/john-subgenius/savillefiretruck-1.jpg

My understanding is that it is actually easy to drive.

[homelitexl]

nice still like the scout better. like it so much i bought it an hour ago.

[mattifikation]

Is it roadworthy?

A friend of mine had an uncle who owned one of those. Beastie old truck, it was. Not in the greatest shape, but I would have trusted it to get me out of town... clear roads or not.

[homelitexl]

yeah just a little rusty, but yeah my dad owned it before this guy did.

[mattifikation]

And for a hundred bucks. I'm jealous. I need a winter vehicle.

A celica with bald low profile (used to be) performance tires, one of which is leaking.... vs. a Pennsylvania winter.

I barely made it through last winter when the tires were in good shape. :-/

[Warlock]

SWAT troop mover, even if they got into the driver's cab it totally closed of from the rest and its got titanium plating and a bolt lock door to the back cab :)

[homelitexl]

yeah but the scout is easier to work on and plus i trust it know your equipment be familar with it.

[KrimsonKing]

18 wheelers and 2 wheelers are all well and good but has any one mentioned a boat? No Zoms to deal with, no traffic jams, and best of all there is food and water all around you.:)

[Subgenius]

18 wheelers and 2 wheelers are all well and good but has any one mentioned a boat? No Zoms to deal with, no traffic jams, and best of all there is food and water all around you.:)

Storms might be an issue. Without a weather service, a big storm could hit a small boat and that might be the end of it. I like solid land under my feet, LOL.

[homelitexl]

i just bought the grill gaurd for the scout today.

[Lurker13]

How fast are zombies sposed to be? If there the slow ones then a bike or moped would be great.

[Subgenius]

How fast are zombies sposed to be? If there the slow ones then a bike or moped would be great.

Slow or fast, I don't like the idea of two-wheeled vehicles in a zombie outbreak. If they yank you off the bike, then you could be in serious trouble. It's hard to grab and pull a person from a four-wheeled vehicle (except for an ATV, I guess).

[VideoJunkie]

Slow or fast, I don't like the idea of two-wheeled vehicles in a zombie outbreak. If they yank you off the bike, then you could be in serious trouble. It's hard to grab and pull a person from a four-wheeled vehicle (except for an ATV, I guess).

Very true! Biking through zed infested streets on a Schwinn isn't my idea of a good time! On the other hand, I'd probably keep a couple of bikes in what ever truck I was driving. In case of a breakdown I'd want some form of backup transportation. I'd plan to always take enough vehicles that one breakdown wouldn't mean leaving anyone on foot. But Murphy being the bastard he is, I'd probably also have a 10 speed or two mounted on top. You can never be too careful!

[Bob]

On a bicycle built for two the rear rider could be the gunner and still help pedal.

[homelitexl]

if there that slow drive a combine kill them all at once.

[Bob]

HomeliteXL

What is the thing on the front of a combine called?
Do you think they would clog it up and break it?

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6886/ospam00000002001yellownbj2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[homelitexl]

no clue but a device behind it pulls in the stuff on it. can't be clogged.

[Bob]

Would they simply be run over or are there blades to chop them up?

[Gummerfan]

In case of a breakdown I'd want some form of backup transportation. I'd plan to always take enough vehicles that one breakdown wouldn't mean leaving anyone on foot.
That reminds me of a line from "Night of the Comet":
"Nice car!"
"Thanks, I've got 23 of 'em." :lol:

[homelitexl]

Would they simply be run over or are there blades to chop them up?

when pulled inside they are ground up into little chunks and a combine can move fast.

[Laodicea]

for me i got a normal bike that ill use but first ill use our suv expedition for a while when its out of gas ill just switch to my bike cause no :poo: is going to be slowing me down

[Bob]

I would need a vehicle capable of carrying a decent amount of weight.
Lead is heavy!

[Lurker13]

How about trains? Weve got a train station nearby and it has trains for people and cargo. We could drive a train back and forth loaded with guys in the big containers with guns and the sound would draw in the zombies to be shot. If we could securt the train stations we could have secure transport back and forth. They have cars that have things by the wheels that let them runon traintracks! Once the tracks are clear thatd be pretty cool.

[Darkness]

"Interesting idea. Armored Trains are not uncommon, and the concept seems good."

"You will need to add an australian style cow/kangaroo/vulture/zombie catcher on the front, to keep the track clear of the dead and the walking-dead. But that's not hard." :)

[Gummerfan]

I've thought about trains, but the big problem there is they require a routing/traffic control system to work. You don't want to go speeding down the tracks only to smack into another train sitting on the tracks ahead of you. Or running head-on into another train load of survivors. It takes a train around two miles to make a "panic stop". Sure, this distance would be less if you're just pulling a few cars as opposed to a fully loaded freight train, but they still don't stop on a dime.
Trains also require rails (obviously) and without a maintenence and communication system in place, the chance of an accidental derailment due to unmaintained rails is high.
Speaking of derailing, again, without a control or warning system, it would be a piece of cake for a group of less-than-scrupulous survivors or looters to sabotage the tracks and derail it.

[Darkness]

"Indeed. You would need to run an armored, and well armed engine down the route to make sure all the track is cleared. They will also need to keep handy extra track and equiptment, in case they need to repair the track in places, and other stuff like that. Signals and pre-warnings would be another thing they would have to work out, true." :think:

[Lurker13]

I thought about track condition. The tracks arent maintained all that often now with millions of tons of freight travelling on them. In the zombie future the amount of use will be lots less. Tracks only require switching if you want them to switch. Just set them the way you want them and theyll stay that way and you can do that at the switch manuly. When we find other trains on the track we can have someone drive them to or just push them alon with us. Sure bad guys could plant bombs or set up ambushes but they dont need train tracks for that. The same thing could happen on a brige or highway or in your driveway and it wouldnt matter cuz it would still suck. Trains take a long time to stop cuz theyre heavy and move fast. A lighter train going slower would stop much sooner and we'd have spotters with binocs up front waching and the pickup truck with the railroad adapters could go in front with guards to look for trouble. No plan is perfect but any plan is better than no plan! LOL! Get it? Criminals that survive will be a problem but at least in a train youd have room for lots of ammo and men to use it.

[Darkness]

"Just my point. No plan is perfect, but any good plan can be made to work, with the right determination, and enough dedicated people."

"I think the train would be a good idea, if a whole community was working on it to get it done." :)

[Gummerfan]

The train idea could work well if used locally, in a known area. I was thinking more about the problems if used for a "long haul" or into an unknown area.
But the tracks are still vulnerable. You certainly don't need explosives. I'm sure some of you could come up with simple ways to derail a train, so I won't list any methods.(but anybody can do it!)

[fraust]

I think I would use this:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/5/l_119d673d3012418b87475281ef9ce52d.jpg

Yup. A BMX bicycle.

1. Aftermarket parts are abundant in almost any bike shop, making repairs easy.
2. With a right drive-train (The bike pictured is 25 front, 12 back, making a ratio of 2.08) it will be easier to pedal, therefore easier to get up hills and takes less stamina.
3. Sealed bearings allow the bike to coast longer.
4. Pegs would add to balance and also double as a mount for any gear.
5. Most BMX bikes are light, somewhere from 20-35lbs(9-16kg.)
6. Compared to almost any other means of transportation, they're somewhat inexpensive.

But, it also has disadvantages.

1. Sound. Most bikes have a freewheel or cassette system, which makes a click sound. Freewheels don't make as much sound, but varying on white cassette you have, the amplitude of the hub will vary, however, you can quiet up cassette hubs with a simple modification to the driver, although if you don't know what you're doing you could damage your entire drive system. (Not allowing the pawls to engage, so the cranks/driver spin freely.) Aside from a cassette mod, the sound can be neutralized by a freecoaster, but complete freecoaster wheels are hard to come by. The sound can also be neutralized by a regular coaster wheel, but those are notoriously unreliable.
2. Tires. Bike tires, as you probably know, contain air. And the tires can be easily punctured. However, this can be remedied by tire liners or a tire sealant. Also, bike tires wear out. This wear isn't that noticeable on asphalt, but say you're on a dirt trail with a massive load of zombies on your tail, not that good.

Another disadvantage could be riding at night, but I don't see it as so. Many products are on the market, ranging from a battery powered L.E.D. lamp, or a "classic" style bicycle lamp, which runs on the friction of the tires.

Another advantage to using a bicycle is just riding the bicycle itself. In the ZSG, Max Brooks states multiple times that it is important to stay fit. What better way than to kill two birds with one stone, escape vehicle and exercise machine.(Bike stands are available which have rollers and levitate the back wheel, making you able to pedal without going anywhere.)

[Darkness]

"A single penny could de-rail a train, if place on the track right." :lol:

[Darkness]

"Fraust, I hope you plan on wearing real thick clothing. And what are you gonna do if you run in to a big swarm of zombies?"

[Mr. Grey]

"Fraust, I hope you plan on wearing real thick clothing. And what are you gonna do if you run in to a big swarm of zombies?"

LOL I was thinking the same thing.

[fraust]

"Fraust, I hope you plan on wearing real thick clothing. And what are you gonna do if you run in to a big swarm of zombies?"

I have chain mail.
No joke.

[Lurker13]

So your gonna ride a bike through zombies wearin chainmail? Itll prolly never work, but its SO BAD ASS!!! I dont know about using it alot but a bike would be a great idea for short trips in your area. Between houses and stuff on the same street just to make you a little faster than the zombies assuming they dont run. I hate the fast ones!

[mattifikation]

Actually, the penny on the tracks thing has been pretty well debunked by science. Think of how often rocks, sticks, and various other things fall onto those tracks... it would take a lot more than a penny.

Now, a few guys with a day's worth of free time and some hacksaws, on the other hand, and the train plan goes to :poo:

I agree that it's just way too vulnerable. Sure, you can be ambushed anywhere. But if you're on a train, anyone who's after you knows exactly where you're going.

Plus, there's fuel. I know that's always a consideration, but I think a train it's more of a problem than most other vehicles.

And finally... how many people know how to fix a broken train?

[Bob]

While hacksaws would work given enough time and willing hands, I think you would be better served by burning the ties or using some poles to pry the tracks up.

[Darkness]

Actually, the penny on the tracks thing has been pretty well debunked by science. Think of how often rocks, sticks, and various other things fall onto those tracks... it would take a lot more than a penny.

Now, a few guys with a day's worth of free time and some hacksaws, on the other hand, and the train plan goes to :poo:

I agree that it's just way too vulnerable. Sure, you can be ambushed anywhere. But if you're on a train, anyone who's after you knows exactly where you're going.

Plus, there's fuel. I know that's always a consideration, but I think a train it's more of a problem than most other vehicles.

And finally... how many people know how to fix a broken train?

"All good points."

"I DID state, that the penny on the track has to be placed just right." ;-)

"As for fuel, there is still such a thing as a steam engine." :)

[Gummerfan]

While hacksaws would work given enough time and willing hands, I think you would be better served by burning the ties or using some poles to pry the tracks up.
A jack is a lot quicker. :lol:

[Bob]

A jack is a lot quicker. :lol:


Good point, did not occur to me to use a jack.
A floor jack would be just about perfect.
Might have to use a sledge hammer to loosen the track a bit first.

I was thinking more in terms of doing it without heavy tools.
I was thinking burn the ties and use pole cut in the woods or fence posts to pry.

[Lurker13]

The train idea could work well if used locally, in a known area. I was thinking more about the problems if used for a "long haul" or into an unknown area.
But the tracks are still vulnerable. You certainly don't need explosives. I'm sure some of you could come up with simple ways to derail a train, so I won't list any methods.(but anybody can do it!)

Thats what i meant really in a local area between your base and where you get supplies. I think a train might be a good way to move stuff you find and you could bring supplies to the train and then go get more and then move the train when its full. It could carry weapons to defend itself from zombies but from people would be harder.

[Bob]

Train vs Zombie
Just open the doors to the box cars and pick your targets.

Living that shoot back?
Cut slots in the boxcars?

I wonder how bullet resistant a box car is?

[mattifikation]

You can get an armored APC for the price of a new midsized sedan. With it, you don't have to ask yourself "I wonder how bullet resistant it is?" With it, you don't have to worry about having an unobstructed, possibly ambushed track to take you where you need to go.

Or, you can hijack a train. I wonder if 500 zombies standing on the tracks will derail it?

Pretty much any other vehicle could just turn around.

[mattifikation]

A group of survivors trying to escape a zombie outbreak on a hijacked train... Actually... it sounds like a decent movie plot.

[secretcog]

I have to disagree...terrible movie plot. Have you seen living dead on a plane?

[mattifikation]

No. But this is a train, not a plane. It wouldn't have to take place entirely on the train, there could be all kinds of reasons why they have to stop occasionally.

[Darkness]

No. But this is a train, not a plane. It wouldn't have to take place entirely on the train, there could be all kinds of reasons why they have to stop occasionally.
"I was thinking that very same thing." :)



"Trains could be used a lot, once a chain reaction of communication is set up." :think:

[Gummerfan]

I've always thought a zombie outbreak on a cruise ship would make a nice movie plot.
Now Playing: "Dead In The Water"

[homelitexl]

my new dually would be better plenty of sapce and durable,.

[Bob]

The train passengers could travel from town to town along the tracks, having to refuel and search for survivors along the way. All sorts of things could go wrong in a train yard...

[homelitexl]

so my dually is perfect then at least i can go anywhere i want wihtout tracks.

[Gummerfan]

so my dually is perfect then at least i can go anywhere i want wihtout tracks.
'Til you run outta gas.
(not that I have any room to talk since my Jeep Commander Hemi isn't exactly a mileage champ!) :lol:
Maybe the forum can get a "group buy" on jerry cans!:)

[homelitexl]

hahahahaha i got more power and a redneck look you ain't got hahahaah.

[Gummerfan]

I looked at some duallys, the Toyota FJ's, the Hummers, but the Commander beat 'em all out for me. I actually went to the Jeep dealer to check out the Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon, but then I drove the Commander, and well...
Trail Rated, Quadra Drive II 4X4, locking diffs, 0-60 in 6.8, skid plates...It more than fills my needs. It's also fun pulling H3's out of the mud and out-accelerating Mustangs on the street.:)
Just wish somebody somebody'd make a decent offroad bumper & winch mount for it.

[Ash in Housewares]

how about a truck with mounted snow plow and HUGE headlights?

for example:

http://www.4x4truckstrailers.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/snow-plow.jpg

idea of this vehicle is not to KILL the zombies, just push 'em away.

it would also do some critical limb damage to the zombies.

besides, those kind of trucks are pretty fast.

[Gummerfan]

No doubt a plow would be useful in an urban environment. But I'll be going offroad a lot. I can get to my backup location entirely offroad, and my backup backup location is only accessible offroad. I'm betting the plow sacrifices a lot of ground clearance, not to mention screwing up your approach angle.
(plus, it'd be quite a task to locate one here in AL, if we get an inch of snow here, we just close everything down!) :lol:

[Ash in Housewares]

No doubt a plow would be useful in an urban environment. But I'll be going offroad a lot. I can get to my backup location entirely offroad, and my backup backup location is only accessible offroad. I'm betting the plow sacrifices a lot of ground clearance, not to mention screwing up your approach angle.
(plus, it'd be quite a task to locate one here in AL, if we get an inch of snow here, we just close everything down!) :lol:

yeah, tell me 'bout it.

Cleveland isn't exactly very snowy place to live either. but if you could get access to a snow plow, goddamn, you'd be the 21st century killing machine.

[mattifikation]

Here in PA plows are everywhere. I've been thinking about getting a truck with a plow on it, just so I can make some of the money back by plowing out driveways for people.

[Gummerfan]

What about the TIV2 from Storm Chasers?
All-wheel drive, 650hp, 92 gallon fuel tank, tornado proof, certainly zombie proof...
http://jalopnik.com/5076023/tiv+2-an-exclusive-look-inside-the-techie-tank+like-tornado+chaser
...and it can predict the weather!

[Bob]

That looks like something Mel Gibson should be driving.

[homelitexl]

or i dr homelite would drive.

[Bob]

God help us all.

Between Dr. Von Ramper wanting to do kronlien shot therapy
and Dr. Chainsaw (homerlitexl) operating with a chainsaw and a hot glue gun
we might as well give up on going to the doctor and hunt down a medicine man.

[homelitexl]

hahaha don't worry man i was hoping you would be my anestioligist, no who could be a hot nurse? by the way that means you get to knock them out.

[Comander Shaw]

I'll take my chances with the gatling gun suv.:machgun2:

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

thats good and all but wat if you run into a wall and you get surrounded then wat

[Creeping Death]

thats good and all but wat if you run into a wall and you get surrounded then wat

Then you call me in for backup, and I kill them all, in 2.5 seconds. lol

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

i dont think so cause you would need about 40 lbs of c4

[Creeping Death]

i dont think so cause you would need about 40 lbs of c4

How about 40 lbs of my fist? :roll:

[Cbump the zombie slayer]

yea your not that good

[homelitexl]

yeah ell be coming to dr homelite to save him and my roadwarrior truck/ambulance

[Spot]

:drool: i feel stuped and hopeless thinking about Homelite coming to "Rescue" me. but i would need his guns. lol and booze:drinking:

[mattifikation]

Eh. If homelite came to rescue you, at least you'd die having fun.

Assuming you don't need surgery when he gets there...

[secretcog]

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd302/Thomascharming/BOOTKICKING.gif

Use'em if ya got'em...it don't get much better!

[VideoJunkie]

How about one of those pontoon party boats? It's got a nice flat deck and rides awfully smooth in shallow water. It would make a great shooting platform to clear out zombies on the river banks. It could also transport a decent amount of cargo up or down the river. Not the fastest thing on the river, but the cargo room and stable shooting platform, plus it's shallow draft might make it an ideal addition to our ZPAW transport system. We could have a couple of these boats and use them to transport a couple of ATVs to the other side of the river. That would let us send scouting parties out across a river without relying on existing bridges. Then the scouts could radio back to let us know when and where to pick them up. It would need a little fine tuning, but I like the possibilities.

[Bob]

What would you do about river raiders in fast boats?
Perhaps we could re-outfit the "family" boats and head offshore. They regularly take them to Bahamas for the winter.

[VideoJunkie]

What would you do about river raiders in fast boats?

Actually, I have some ideas about how to deal with raiders, but this isn't the place for that discussion. We're discussing the zombie threat and I think that using the river for shipping supplies back and forth would limit exposure to zombies.

[DarthJoe8]

What would you do about river raiders in fast boats?


I would imagine that you'd have to have your own "fast boat" escort/interceptors to protect your own...:think:

[CAVU45]

Seriously, is there really such thing as a "perfect" anything, let alone survival vehicle? I think it all comes down to personal opinion. Find one thing that's supposed to do everything well and you'll find it does nothing well. The Army's new ACU's are a prime example of that. :puke:

[Bob]

What would really rock and roll on the river would some of the patrol boats the brown water navy guys used in Vietnam.
Dual 50's and stuff...

[VideoJunkie]

I'm still in favor of using boats to travel in the ZPAW. I don't mean out in the ocean, but for crossing rivers and supply runs in the area I think they'd be pretty damn useful. As to how we'd deal with any attacing raid...uh, I mean ZOMBIES who happened to be in fast boats while attacking our boats (you know what I mean!), I have a few ideas!

I'd want a few fast attack boats of our own, but with some built up armor to protect the crews. I'd also want them in as much body armor as we could find. They only need to keep the attacking boats busy long enough for the real boat killer to be employed! Here's what I'd want to use on enemy boats.http://world.guns.ru/sniper/rt-20.jpghttp://world.guns.ru/sniper/rt20_1.jpg
RT-20 antimateriel rifle. Note the reactive counter-recoil tube above the barrel.

It's a 20mm rifle, maybe I should say CANNON, that's designed for use as an antimateriel weapon. The stable shooting platform offered by the pontoon boats would allow one of us to target the incoming boats with this monster. It has an effective range of over a mile and just look at the ammo it uses.
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/20hs404.jpg
That little dinky looking round above it is actually a .50 caliber BMG. The 20mm rounds are available as HE or AP, and either would make short work of an incoming boat. The band...I mean zombies on the boat wouldn't be much of a threat once we destroyed their boats and left them in the water! Ok, there might be other ways of dealing with attacking boats, but I can't be the only one who's just dying for one of these monsters! They'd also be useful in the event that zombies learned to drive, 'cause they could destroy anything short of a tank!

[DBCooper]

All things being equal, I’d love to see you try and hit something a mile out while you have this mounted on an unstable platform like a boat (waves, current, ebb and flow). A fraction of a fraction of an inch off will toss your round 10s of yards off target! However, it is one bad ass weapon!

I am not convinced that any kind of boat would be a perfect survival vehicle. If anything was to happen to your boat (sink) lots of your supplies could be lost forever.

Then try swimming to shore with what you can carry.

[Bob]

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/2370/boats3nu0.jpg

[VideoJunkie]

I never said I'd try to hit a target at that distance! Hell, yesterday was the first time I've ever fired a rifle (Thanks again, Bob!) and although I did pretty well I'm no where near ready for that sort of long distance shooting. I was just rambling about how impressed I was with the weapon. While I wouldn't dream of taking a shot at such long range, at a more modest range I think it would be quite effective against other boats. It would certainly be more effective than the hunting rifles and AK's that the other side would likely have. The idea was for our fast boats to distract the other side, allowing us to take the time to take the aimed shots required to sink the other boats.
As for the boat sinking and losing the supplies...Ok, that would suck! The idea here was for a method of transporting supplies that would be safe from the zombies. Of course nothing is perfect, but this seemed a good way to avoid the piles of broken down and abandoned cars on the roads, as well as avoiding the zombies altogether. Weather conditions would be something to worry about, but I think water travel would be a useful means of transport in the ZPAW.

[Bob]

The rivers here are pretty good sized but if you put it on the bank in a fortified spot and you could control the river.
Can we say "pay the Toll".

[VideoJunkie]

The rivers here are pretty good sized but if you put it on the bank in a fortified spot and you could control the river.
Can we say "pay the Toll".

Absolutely! The problem with that, is that we're discussing these things with regards to a zombie threat. Of course this setup would be about useless against zombies, but against other threats....:evil: We can't talk about shooting at people, even scumbag raiders! Maybe we could discuss these things with regard to the more intelligent zombies. The ones that are almost impossible to differentiate from living people. Like in the movie Zombie Strippers! If those gals were to grab a couple of speedboats and come after us for being lousy tippers at the club, we'd be ready for 'em!:lol:

[Darkness]

Absolutely! The problem with that, is that we're discussing these things with regards to a zombie threat. Of course this setup would be about useless against zombies, but against other threats....:evil: We can't talk about shooting at people, even scumbag raiders! Maybe we could discuss these things with regard to the more intelligent zombies. The ones that are almost impossible to differentiate from living people. Like in the movie Zombie Strippers! If those gals were to grab a couple of speedboats and come after us for being lousy tippers at the club, we'd be ready for 'em!:lol:

"Good thought." :clap:

[CAVU45]

Whether traveling by land, sea, or air, nothing compares to the good ol' LPC's. LPC's have been carrying soldiers into combat for ages.

[VideoJunkie]

Whether traveling by land, sea, or air, nothing compares to the good ol' LPC's. LPC's have been carrying soldiers into combat for ages.

I know what an APC is, but what the hell is an LPC? Time for a little net surfing...

LPC Licensed Professional Counselor
LPC Liberal Party of Canada
LPC Landmarks Preservation Commission (New York City, NY)
LPC Linear Predictive Coding
LPC Low Pin Count
LPC Linear Predictive Coding (Speech Processing)
LPC Line Printer Control
LPC Low Power Consumption
LPC Local Procedure Call
LPC Low Pay Commission (UK)
LPC lysophosphatidylcholine
LPC Libertarian Party of Canada
LPC Loss Prevention Council (UK)
LPC Local Pharmaceutical Committee (United Kingdom)
LPC Least-Preferred Co-Worker
LPC Lesotho People's Congress
LPC Laser Particle Counter
LPC Les Pensions Complémentaires (French)
LPC Low Pay Commission (UK)
LPC Lesotho People's Congress
LPC Late Payment Charge
LPC Licence Proficiency Check (UK aviation)
LPC Laser Power Controller
LPC Leather Personnel Carrier (boots)
LPC Launch Pod Container
LPC Local Processing Center
LPC Limiting Permissible Concentrations
LPC Livermore Projects Committee
LPC Lighthouse Power Controller (Coast Guard)


Wait a sec...where was that...
LPC Licence Proficiency Check (UK aviation)
LPC Laser Power Controller
LPC Leather Personnel Carrier (boots):doh:
LPC Launch Pod Container


Oh, Ha Ha! Very funny! :xYou made me spend 10 minutes looking on the Inernet to discover that you were making a joke about footwear! Ok, it was sort of funny...

[CAVU45]

:) Glad you liked it! It actually is an old military acronym for the venerable combat boot. When the APC breaks down you're left with the LPC's to get you to the fight. I can still remember the first time I heard it. I was in the motor pool with a broke dick jeep and complaining a mile a minute about it. The crusty old motor sgt tells me (in a very loud voice), "Use yer *#$%LPC's! That's what the #&*$ Army gave 'em to ya for!" I just gave him a WTF look. He patiently (not) explained what LPC's were.

[bootsy]

lol well i might be new but what about a monster truck the zeds cant get to you whie you are driving and you can carry tons of stuff in the back ( just as a random question how would the zombie virus get to my country (australia) if it was spread by being bitten?):lol:

[DarthJoe8]

lol well i might be new but what about a monster truck the zeds cant get to you whie you are driving and you can carry tons of stuff in the back ( just as a random question how would the zombie virus get to my country (australia) if it was spread by being bitten?):lol:

In GARs movies it didn't matter so much if your bitten..."the recently deceased" are rising and attacking the living....so as long as Australia has recently deceased then you will also have Zack...:think:



Introduce yourself in the intro thread..:drinking:

[VideoJunkie]

how would the zombie virus get to my country (australia) if it was spread by being bitten?


Greetings, from one descendant of a British prison colony to another! :lol:

It would depend on how long it takes for a bite to make you turn into a zombie. If it took a day or more for the infection to change you into a zombie, then you guys are in as much :poo: as the rest of us. People fly to Australia everyday, and if one of them had been bitten on the way to the airport, before we understood what was happening... You're LUNCH!



Oh, and you're not parking that monster truck in my garage!:lol:

[JimiVengeance]

yeah gas running out or a break down may be an issue but even if that does happen the bike can get you at least some distance easier than walking

[CAVU45]

The problem with a bicycle as I see it is this. Whoever won't jsut be riding a bike, but carrying a backpack as well as other gear. That's a lot of weight to cart around on a bike and will make the rider quite a bit slower and tire easier.

[mattifikation]

I really don't think it's feasible to say "This is my vehicle, period."

The perfect survival vehicle is whatever happens to be available, usable, and feasible at any given time. It might be an abandoned 4x4 in the desert, it might be a bicycle laying nearby in the suburbs, or it might be an ordinary car left sitting at a gas station near an empty highway.

You have to be able to use whatever is at hand, instead of dreaming about what you wish you had.

[Darkness]

"One can dream, it's no big deal. We all like to imagine being equipted with the best. No harm, no foul." ;-)

[CAVU45]

I'll go one better. There is no perfect survival vehicle. Or perfect anything else for that matter. But there are some things that are better than others. I sincerely believe that one would be better off on foot than on a bicycle. I think a person would be very wobbly on a bike carrying a loaded pack and other gear. It's also easy to be pulled off one.

[Ironzey]

If you are not a regular bike rider I'd agree that you would be unstable and slow. When set up properly, a bike would be pretty good. One can cover a lot of ground in one day and carry a lot of stuff, no noise, easy to fix if it breaks and the fact that it's easily stashed and would be easily over looked by the bad guys are all big bonuses. With some saddle bags you could carry quite a load. A loaded backpack is a pretty terrible idea it puts the weight up high on you center of gravity, that's what the saddle bags are for weight down low makes for a more stable ride and you are not supporting the weight of your gear.

Of course when the time comes I'm not going to be picky about it, if the only thing to get away with is a monster truck I'll take it and hope the fuel lasts long enough for me to get to safety.

[bootsy]

if the only thing to get away with is a monster truck I'll take it and hope the fuel lasts long enough for me to get to safety.

GO MONSTER TRUCKS!!!:evil:

[ihateminimumwage]

GO MONSTER TRUCKS!!!:evil:

This is my baby, building it to go anywhere a fullsize vehicle can go. Getting a set of Goodyear Wrangler R/Ts (36" Humvee tires) on it as soon as funds provide).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/ihateminimumwage/Car%20Junk/DSCN6077.jpg
The motor and trans in my truck are rebuilt, so I know they're solid. If you are running around, using whatever vehicles you can find, you're setting yourself up to get stranded when you get a bad one (I've been in enough Toyotas when the timing belt finally snapped, and I'm always the one stuck towing them home). Vehicle repair is an asset in a zombie outbreak, especially in the US. If you have a 4x4 the noise of the vehicle won't matter as much if you can get out into open country, away from the populated areas. That's my opinion at least...:lol: I'd personally rather be in a tank of a solid truck than on a bike open to attack.

Time for another brew...:drinking:

[bootsy]

This is my baby, building it to go anywhere a fullsize vehicle can go. Getting a set of Goodyear Wrangler R/Ts (36" Humvee tires) on it as soon as funds provide).
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/ihateminimumwage/Car%20Junk/DSCN6077.jpg
The motor and trans in my truck are rebuilt, so I know they're solid. If you are running around, using whatever vehicles you can find, you're setting yourself up to get stranded when you get a bad one (I've been in enough Toyotas when the timing belt finally snapped, and I'm always the one stuck towing them home). Vehicle repair is an asset in a zombie outbreak, especially in the US. If you have a 4x4 the noise of the vehicle won't matter as much if you can get out into open country, away from the populated areas. That's my opinion at least...:lol: I'd personally rather be in a tank of a solid truck than on a bike open to attack.

Time for another brew...:drinking:




MAAAAATE....THAT IS ONE AWESOME UTE!!!!!! i rekon that would have to cost a ton to fill up with petrol tho.....

[Twister]

I got one. Just take an offroad SUV with some bikes in the back. Then, when there is no more gas, you got backup vehicles fast enough to evade zombies. Best of both worlds imo.

[ihateminimumwage]

MAAAAATE....THAT IS ONE AWESOME UTE!!!!!! i rekon that would have to cost a ton to fill up with petrol tho.....

I get a whopping 10 gallons per mile...:lol:
It actually does fine if you're not going across the country, it's a tank and can go about anywhere you can fit it between the trees. I took out one of the gas tanks, so it only holds about 20 gallons now. That plus the couple of five gallon gerry cans, and my little electric fuel syphon, and it'd last me a while.

I do fully agree with the above post though, throw a couple of road bikes or mountain bikes in the back, and you're set for a breakdown (although I personally REALLY wouldn't want to be out there on a bike).:scare:

[Gummerfan]

Suppose I could throw a couple of bikes on the Big Weird Jeep.:lol:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/SUNP0004.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/SUNP0002.jpg
BTW, any idea how to remove bloody humanoid handprints? I've tried both polishing and rubbing compounds, but I've only managed to fade 'em out a little.
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/SUNP0001.jpg

[mattifikation]

BTW, any idea how to remove bloody humanoid handprints? I've tried both polishing and rubbing compounds, but I've only managed to fade 'em out a little.

Ummmm.... Gummerfan? Uhhhhhhhh...?

Why is there.... nevermind. The less I know, the less I have to testify.

[Fr1day]

I would want this... Mastiff

http://adamjdavis.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/cougar_he_mine_resistant_resistant_ambush_protecte d_wheeled_armoured_vehicle_us_army_001.jpg

Although it is american so might be hard for me to come by one so failing that I would go for a Military Land Rover of some sort :drool:

http://www.armyrecognition.com/europe/Angleterre/Exhibition/DSEI_2005/pictures/Land_Rover_Defender_110_Otokar_DSEI_2005_ArmyRecog nition_01.jpg

[dudeskis]

Any SUV can be a good zombie vehicle. You just need 2 modifications.

Windows need the mesh treatment all the way around and don't use cheap screws. Use bolts and washers.
http://tanuk.net/gallery/Steel%20Mesh.jpg

Make sure you get one of these that protects the headlights. Not all do and zombie bodies will end up breaking them and blinding you at night if you don't protect them.
http://www.streetperformance.com/ART/products/16930_Stainless-Steel-Brush-Guard.jpg

[Trumble0]

We've got 2 of these...

http://www.mtaofnj.org/mta_events/nam_vets_day_03/Image24.jpg

M35A2 Deuce and a Halves. Ours are flat beds, one has a crane with hydraulic stabilizers , but they aren't OD Green anymore :-( theyre Bright Red, and some weird Blue color. I would like to restore the Craneless one to the OD Green with the White Star with a Troop Carrier bed. Theyve also been converted to gasoline... Weak. I'd like one of the Multi-Fuel engines that can run paint thinner and anything combustible. although you get Gallons per mile as opposed to Miles per gallon when running on Paint Thinner. :roll:

[Gummerfan]

I used to have some pics of a Deuce&1/2 that was converted to a camper. He had one of those "boxes" on the back like the communications trucks have, with bunks, a stove, fridge, seating and tables.
Nice!
And speaking of bumpers and protection, here's a neat item from Down Under:
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z291/Gummerfan/JEEP20COMMANDER20BULLBAR202.jpg

[Vito1127]

i would use a shelby gt500 like the one in i am legend. its fast and can definitely smash through many zombies.

[mattifikation]

Why don't noobs ever understand the search function? Is the Internet really that fricking mysterious and hard to comprehend?

I swear, they should pass a law where you can't turn a new computer on until you pass an IQ test.

Apologies for my bad mood, but I just found out that God is real and he built the universe just to rape my brain.

[Vito1127]

Why don't noobs ever understand the search function? Is the Internet really that fricking mysterious and hard to comprehend?

I swear, they should pass a law where you can't turn a new computer on until you pass an IQ test.

Apologies for my bad mood, but I just found out that God is real and he built the universe just to rape my brain.wait was this thread already made or something?

[mattifikation]

*Facepalm*

[Vito1127]

*Facepalm*i just joined and made a thread i have no idea what i did wrong.

[mattifikation]

*sigh*

It's much less serious than I've made it out to be. There's a button near the top of the page labeled "search." It's considered customary to use the button to search for an existing thread about the topic you want to discuss before opening a new thread.

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14311

The vehicle discussion is there.

Apologies for coming off as a jerk. I had a rough night and I hate the world enough as it is.

[Vito1127]

how about a shelby gt500 like in i am legend fast and powerfull.

[Vito1127]

*sigh*

It's much less serious than I've made it out to be. There's a button near the top of the page labeled "search." It's considered customary to use the button to search for an existing thread about the topic you want to discuss before opening a new thread.

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14311

The vehicle discussion is there.

Apologies for coming off as a jerk. I had a rough night and I hate the world enough as it is.ok thanks. do you happen to know how i can delete this thread?

[mattifikation]

I wouldn't worry about it. The mods will probably lock it or merge it when they get around to it.

[NotoriousDIT]

anyone who has said anything other than a bike is kind of silly.

[Bob]

Gummerfan

Back when I was service tech I would occasionally wash my white truck with Cal Clean. It is a liquid cleaner used to clean A/C coils. It used to only come in 1 gal jugs and larger I am pretty sure it also comes in spray cans now. Try it in a hidden spot first but it never removed paint and I used it on several trucks through the years.

That looks like the stain left by paintballs when VJ shot his own van...

[homelitexl]

any idea on how to find the big truck stacks for my dually

[RatFink008]

Well, after watching a ton of zombie movies and reading zombie books, I found it a good idea to get people to seriously start thinking about transportation.

I will start a list with the types of vehicles, the specs of said vehicle and the reasons for the vehicle.

4x4 truck: lifted, all terrain tires, strong engine, good reliability. My reason for this is a fast mode of transportation threw city, country, and off road conditions.

Commercial Transport Trucks: powerful, extreme cargo space. My reason for this is its ability to haul enormous amounts of supplies. It may also be used to transport other survivors.

Here is my wish list..... i only have one..... and you will see why.......

Bulldozer: strong, powerful, can be easily modified. My reason for this beast is simple. TO KILL ZED!!! by now you are thinking how can a bulldozer kill zed? well my friends.... have you ever seen the mine clearing tanks? or the brush mowers? for the most part they all use a system of weighted flails that spin on a rotating drum. If you fortify a nice size dozer with steel plating, you can make a tank. IF you DO IT RIGHT, you can make a armored transport with a 10 foot wide spinning flail in front.... that will rip a car into tiny pieces and turn zed into liquefied goo. This would be MY transportation....

[mattifikation]

anyone who has said anything other than a bike is kind of silly.

I heard a very wise bit of advice once, a long time ago: If everyone in town is infected, it's never a good idea to ride the village bike without protection. ;-)

Umm.. whoever told me that was talking about zombies, right?

[kiltedninja]

I'm learning to fly, I don't need a vehicle, just a lot of nachos.:lol:

If I had to go with a vehicle, I'd want a motorcycle, just because I hate driving cars and trucks, can't find the definite edges of 'em, and I'd crash.
I'll just use my LPC's if I can't fly by the time Zday hits.

[homelitexl]

kiltedninja dude just make it to arkansas and you can stay at my fortress of the saw aka the bomb shelter i found plus if i build it rite youll never have to worry aout running out of nachos again

[CAVU45]

Well, after watching a ton of zombie movies and reading zombie books, I found it a good idea to get people to seriously start thinking about transportation.

I will start a list with the types of vehicles, the specs of said vehicle and the reasons for the vehicle.

4x4 truck: lifted, all terrain tires, strong engine, good reliability. My reason for this is a fast mode of transportation threw city, country, and off road conditions.

Commercial Transport Trucks: powerful, extreme cargo space. My reason for this is its ability to haul enormous amounts of supplies. It may also be used to transport other survivors.

Here is my wish list..... i only have one..... and you will see why.......

Bulldozer: strong, powerful, can be easily modified. My reason for this beast is simple. TO KILL ZED!!! by now you are thinking how can a bulldozer kill zed? well my friends.... have you ever seen the mine clearing tanks? or the brush mowers? for the most part they all use a system of weighted flails that spin on a rotating drum. If you fortify a nice size dozer with steel plating, you can make a tank. IF you DO IT RIGHT, you can make a armored transport with a 10 foot wide spinning flail in front.... that will rip a car into tiny pieces and turn zed into liquefied goo. This would be MY transportation....

An armored bulldozer? Seriously? Heavy equipment of that sort requires alot of maintenance to keep them going. Add armor plate and you've made the time to service that much shorter. Not to mention they use fuel at a prodigious rate. Slow. Ungainly. Not made for regular surface streets.

[Dave Of The Dead]

kiltedninja dude just make it to arkansas and you can stay at my fortress of the saw aka the bomb shelter i found plus if i build it rite youll never have to worry aout running out of nachos again

You're building your bomb shelter out of Nachos? :loon:

The only vehicle I would ever want is a nice 4 door car. Maybe a Buick Park Avenue. One of the big ones from the 80's. They not bad on the MPG, better than a truck at least, and have a lot of room. If I may quote the movie Wonderboys:


James Leer: Now, that is a big trunk. It holds a tuba, a suitcase, a dead dog, and a garment bag almost perfectly.
Grady Tripp: That's just what they used to say in the ads.

[homelitexl]

no im stock piling i t with nachos and its ig enough several hundred people could live in it comfortably i found this place in the woods

[bandits1]

no im stock piling i t with nachos and its ig enough several hundred people could live in it comfortably i found this place in the woods
What about the hundreds of other people who undoubtedly also know about this bomb shelter? It's not like you built it or anything, so in the event of an outbreak, I'm sure you'd have some difficulty claiming it as "yours".

[RatFink008]

An armored bulldozer? Seriously? Heavy equipment of that sort requires alot of maintenance to keep them going. Add armor plate and you've made the time to service that much shorter. Not to mention they use fuel at a prodigious rate. Slow. Ungainly. Not made for regular surface streets.

Let me explain this a bit more.... It is not the bulldozer itself, but rather what is attached to it. Now as far as it being "Heavy Equipment", I really dont know, as I do not consider 30,000Lbs (15tons) as heavy equipment. My personal daily driver weighs in at 10,300Lbs and averages 26mpg highway and 19mpg city. Now where I work and what I do... I am around earth moving equipment all day everyday. The dozer I operate on a daily basis is full rubber tracked, powered by a 6cyl turbo diesel and is equipped with a flail mower used to clear heavy brush and trees during our logging and land clearing operations. The machine I operate has not been maintained in over a year. I only fill the fuel tanks ONCE a week. By the way I run this machine 6 days a week 8-12 hours a day. With the rubber track some of our dozers and other tracked loaders can reach speeds of 35+ MPH.

And so you know.... the flail mower we use HAS chomped on 12-18 inch diameter trunks without even torquing the engine. So unless you are in some other country using equipment made sometime between the years of 1930-1998 I do not for see any issues with this.

Remember... most if not all dozers now no longer run on gear transmissions... They are hydro static drive. meaning the doser only moves as fast as the hydraulic valve is open. This means that with the gearing used between the engine and the hydraulic pump is such so that the engine does not have to go much over idle (my dozer idles at 650rpm and has never been over 1500rpm).

Now you are probably wondering how do i tell a gear transmission dozer from a hydrostatic drive dozer? easy....

1) the now "3rd world country dozers" that are gear transmission driven have a clutch, and break pedal. they also have 2 levers used to steer with. they also had alot of other levers to operate the Blades and other attachments.

2) the equipment made today however only has 2 joysticks, some guages, and your throttle and pto levers. one joystick operates the direction and speed. the other joy operates the blade or attachments.

If you have not yet figured out.... I love my construction equipment. as it is my job, and i am very knowledgeable when it comes to vehicles and anything diesel. as my job and my life and the lives of those i work with depend on each others knowledge.

FYI: i was stuck on the side of a mountain with a broke 3rd world dozer.... some 10+ miles from the landing.

best regards,
Rat

PS: peace, love and hand grenades

[mattifikation]

Sounds like you know your heavy machinery. I wouldn't mind having you in my group on Z-Day, assuming our group had a bulldozer. Haha.

Diesel would probably be easier to obtain that gasoline at least. I don't know the specifics of "how" but I know there are people who make their own diesel fuel now. I've never heard of anybody making their own gasoline though.

I'm still going with a small or mid-sized SUV converted to run off of interchangeable propane tanks though. :)

[RatFink008]

Sounds like you know your heavy machinery. I wouldn't mind having you in my group on Z-Day, assuming our group had a bulldozer. Haha.

Diesel would probably be easier to obtain that gasoline at least. I don't know the specifics of "how" but I know there are people who make their own diesel fuel now. I've never heard of anybody making their own gasoline though.

I'm still going with a small or mid-sized SUV converted to run off of interchangeable propane tanks though. :)

In America (for all the euros) most everyday drivers are gasoline. diesel is usually used in commercial applications. But its like you said.... you can make your own diesel fuel. and with the right "simple" mods to the vehicles engine, it will run on said diesel.


If you are looking for a truck that runs on PG or LPG, look at the swans trucks. all of there trucks run on LPG....

[CAVU45]

Let me explain this a bit more.... It is not the bulldozer itself, but rather what is attached to it. Now as far as it being "Heavy Equipment", I really dont know, as I do not consider 30,000Lbs (15tons) as heavy equipment. My personal daily driver weighs in at 10,300Lbs and averages 26mpg highway and 19mpg city. Now where I work and what I do... I am around earth moving equipment all day everyday. The dozer I operate on a daily basis is full rubber tracked, powered by a 6cyl turbo diesel and is equipped with a flail mower used to clear heavy brush and trees during our logging and land clearing operations. The machine I operate has not been maintained in over a year. I only fill the fuel tanks ONCE a week. By the way I run this machine 6 days a week 8-12 hours a day. With the rubber track some of our dozers and other tracked loaders can reach speeds of 35+ MPH.

And so you know.... the flail mower we use HAS chomped on 12-18 inch diameter trunks without even torquing the engine. So unless you are in some other country using equipment made sometime between the years of 1930-1998 I do not for see any issues with this.

Remember... most if not all dozers now no longer run on gear transmissions... They are hydro static drive. meaning the doser only moves as fast as the hydraulic valve is open. This means that with the gearing used between the engine and the hydraulic pump is such so that the engine does not have to go much over idle (my dozer idles at 650rpm and has never been over 1500rpm).

Now you are probably wondering how do i tell a gear transmission dozer from a hydrostatic drive dozer? easy....

1) the now "3rd world country dozers" that are gear transmission driven have a clutch, and break pedal. they also have 2 levers used to steer with. they also had alot of other levers to operate the Blades and other attachments.

2) the equipment made today however only has 2 joysticks, some guages, and your throttle and pto levers. one joystick operates the direction and speed. the other joy operates the blade or attachments.

If you have not yet figured out.... I love my construction equipment. as it is my job, and i am very knowledgeable when it comes to vehicles and anything diesel. as my job and my life and the lives of those i work with depend on each others knowledge.

FYI: i was stuck on the side of a mountain with a broke 3rd world dozer.... some 10+ miles from the landing.

best regards,
Rat

PS: peace, love and hand grenades

I want to make sure I understand correctly what you're saying. You have a bulldozer that averages 26hwy and 19city? I don't think that's what you meant, but I want to be sure. Now I don't buy for a minute a piece of equipment like that having no maintenance done on it for a year. Sorry, but having been around heavy equipment myself, and maintaining large trucks, I have a little understanding of what sort of maintenance is required. You didn't address the add-on armor, which we know would weigh down the vehicle causing added stress and fuel consumption. The flail is a good idea, but configuring the 'dozer for such a device (as in you description I'm assuming a WW2 anti-mine type flail) would be pretty daunting I would think. For short use or limited duty it might make a decent vehicle, but I still don't see it for everyday use.

[RatFink008]

I want to make sure I understand correctly what you're saying. You have a bulldozer that averages 26hwy and 19city? I don't think that's what you meant, but I want to be sure. Now I don't buy for a minute a piece of equipment like that having no maintenance done on it for a year. Sorry, but having been around heavy equipment myself, and maintaining large trucks, I have a little understanding of what sort of maintenance is required. You didn't address the add-on armor, which we know would weigh down the vehicle causing added stress and fuel consumption. The flail is a good idea, but configuring the 'dozer for such a device (as in you description I'm assuming a WW2 anti-mine type flail) would be pretty daunting I would think. For short use or limited duty it might make a decent vehicle, but I still don't see it for everyday use.

You misunderstood me... as i stated my 'daily driver' being my truck, averages those mpg. as far as the maintenance, the majority of our new equipment, are self maintaining to a certain extent, so long as the grease tanks and oil tanks are filled. As far as adding armor, we are not being shot at by the zed so the thickness of the 'armor' really doesnt need to be more than 1/8th inch. infact it could be less than that. To be perfectly honest all you need to do is make a cage and use some sheet metal and tack weld it to the cage, reducing the 'weight' of the added 'armor' considerably. Yes the design of the flail mowers originated from the ww2 anti-mine tanks. as far as configuring a dozer to be used with a flail mowers? they already are. it is an attachment, just like a dozers blade.

I am sure over time a hydraulic like will dry rot and leak, and the oil will need to be changed, and the tracks replaced, and just because we are on the topic a new coat of paint. that is inevitable. but the purpose a machine like this has a very promising look in a zed situation. how else would you clear out a large horde of undead in a single pass?

as far as your experiences? I dont know you... i have no idea who you are or what you do... i am 28 and have been around and operated equipment since i was a little child. by the way, i live on a tree farm.

[homelitexl]

then you clearly know how to run a chainsaw there you go perfect weapon for you.

[Dave Of The Dead]

Not going to lie. I'm impressed by this battle royal of knowledge that just went down. If you built a perch on top of your dozer Rat, I'll sit up there with my Aleksandra and pick off the ones that you missed. :)

[RatFink008]

I do not want to be misunderstood again.... so these are examples of what a flail mower or a rotary flail mower can do. (bare with me as these are mounted to "compact" track loaders)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbeslTewmFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy1qAfhFq1w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9bcaXfJdjA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b00IddGLv3E&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlQazVHnfd0&feature=related

and my personal favorite

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xKhW0XgRgQ&feature=related

AND BECAUSE I AM SUCH A NICE GUY AND ALL....

I have present for you homelite.... this is for YOU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60Tamp2fHhg

[shotshell bandit]

it may not be as practical as a bulldozer but it would get you there, sea's of bodies or not
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_iup2jXQqI

imagine that with a minigun

[MallNinja]

http://www.carpages.co.uk/toyota/toyota_images/toyota_hilux_27_05_04.jpg

Toyota Hilux! Indestructible! here's the one from top gear, they demolished a building whilst this was on the top and it still started!
They're really popular around Britain, reliability wise these things are amazing. A perfect base for some modifications for an outbreak.

YES!. The unstoppable 4 banger diesel 5 speed. I wish we could have them here in the states.

[slayer1222]

me and my dad built a tiny little eletric one of those things but alot smaller its really light weight silent and can charge it off a mini solor panel thing we have and its top speed its about 25 to 30mph and we are in the prosses of adding workig peddals then its completly street legal in the uk

[Dbuhos]

http://www.chooseyouritem.com/classics/photos/447500/447618.1984.Jeep.CJ-7.jpg
CJ Jeep of course,i'd probabily go for an bike too...

OR an tank,an normal zombie wouldn't have any chances of getting in.

[Stankynuts]

What ever happened to good ol walking?

[Dave Of The Dead]

What ever happened to good ol walking?

Feet have been replaced by wheels for the last how many decades?

[Stankynuts]

Feet have been replaced by wheels for the last how many decades?

I have no clue I have been under a rock.

[bandits1]

Yup, walking is overrated. Driving FTW!

[Dave Of The Dead]

Yup, walking is overrated. Driving FTW!

Screw driving. I'll take a Segway!

[ZombiePunisher]

http://www.motortopia.com/cars/4946

This car is pretty cool

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'll roll in style in my Drag-U-La

[homelitexl]

i roll in smog with my bug screw you to the enviroment my dually

[badbrojack]

My guess is they'd be alot of military prescence around...so some form of armoured vehicle could be possibility hahaaa a TANK...challanger 2 :). But the chances are you'd need an on the spot vehicle, so a lorry would be best. You have multiple tires so popping a tire doesn't have that big of a consiquence...it's big and can ram other vehicles if needed...squish zombies in a flah and they cn't smash the windows because it's high it. Plus the storage you have in the back of the lorry...so you could have a spare 4x4 in the back incase your lorry gets ****ed.....AWESOME....

[Dave Of The Dead]

My guess is they'd be alot of military prescence around...so some form of armoured vehicle could be possibility hahaaa a TANK...challanger 2 :). But the chances are you'd need an on the spot vehicle, so a lorry would be best. You have multiple tires so popping a tire doesn't have that big of a consiquence...it's big and can ram other vehicles if needed...squish zombies in a flah and they cn't smash the windows because it's high it. Plus the storage you have in the back of the lorry...so you could have a spare 4x4 in the back incase your lorry gets ****ed.....AWESOME....

I'm sorry, I'm an unpretentious Midwest American folk. What is a Lorry? A bus?

[Darkness]

I'm sorry, I'm an unpretentious Midwest American folk. What is a Lorry? A bus?

"Any truck bigger than the average Pick-Up, that is not a Semi. It's a British Term, often used to refer to the bigger work trucks." :)

[Dave Of The Dead]

Gotcha, thank you.

I see a lot of trucks on the highway that would be great for zombie survival. Most are either electrical or construction vehicles. Even a cherry picker could come in handy if your HQ was only accessible by rooftop.

[Subgenius]

I'm partial to fire trucks, and especially forest fire trucks like the one below.

You could mow down a lot of zombies without much damage to the vehicle

http://www.massfiretrucks.com/Duxbury_Forest_Fire_48_2007.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

I'm partial to fire trucks, and especially forest fire trucks like the one below.

You could mow down a lot of zombies without much damage to the vehicle


That is a sexy vehicle, my friend. I would love to sit on top of that during a raid.

[JakAttak]

hey I've people say that it would be awesome to have a tank but to me it doesn't seem practical (keep in mind tank not APC). they guzzle gas, they're cramped, and are immensley complicated. but if you love tanks stick up for them.

[hotlead]

You're right, a prius would be much better to escape zombies in.........:loon:

[mattifikation]

http://suburbanprepper.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/prius1.jpg

Heh heh.

[CAVU45]

hey I've people say that it would be awesome to have a tank but to me it doesn't seem practical (keep in mind tank not APC). they guzzle gas, they're cramped, and are immensley complicated. but if you love tanks stick up for them.

Tank or APC. What's the difference?

[Subgenius]

hey I've people say that it would be awesome to have a tank but to me it doesn't seem practical (keep in mind tank not APC). they guzzle gas, they're cramped, and are immensley complicated. but if you love tanks stick up for them.

I think that is the beauty of my choice of a forest fire truck. They come with large gas tanks as well as large water tanks. Some have multiple water tanks. So, survivors could store drinking water and gasoline in the respective tanks. Also, you can find forest fire trucks or regular fire trucks a lot easier than you could find a tank or an APC or other military vehicles. It should also be noted that tanks, most modern US Army tanks at least, use a special type of fuel. IIRC, you cannot just use regular gasoline to fuel an M1-A1 Abrams tank. They use JP-8 fuel.

[mattifikation]

How about an International CXT?

http://www.treoonline.com/graphics/cxt_truck/cxt_truck_006.jpg

[bandits1]

^^^Now that is a coolass truck.

[mattifikation]

I've been drooling since I found out about it. I imagine the tree huggers would burn it the second you pulled into their parking lot, though. I wonder if you can get one that runs on ethanol?

I'm sure it could run on bio-diesel as-is, but it seems to me like ethanol would be easier to produce for oneself. Survival and all that.

[Darkness]

"How hard would it be, to convert a motor to run on methane gas?"

[Bob]

Methane gas
Hmmm cow powered vehicles.
A hybrid could probably be powered by a weasel.

[Dave Of The Dead]

"How hard would it be, to convert a motor to run on methane gas?"

I would imagine pretty hard. But they supposedly already have cars that can run off methane, so I don't know.

[hotlead]

Modifying the vehicle wouldn't be the most difficult part, but making methane to a consistent purity, collecting it, transferring it into your vehicle, and delivering a consistent amount to the engine would be pretty difficult.

[mattifikation]

Hotlead, that's just one more reason why a balanced diet is important.

[mattifikation]

I'm sorry. I actually think methane could be a great idea. I just think methane is extremely funny because sometimes it comes out of my butt.

[Bob]

So what you are saying is you are going to run a hose from your butt to the intake on the engine?

[mattifikation]

I doubt any engine made could handle the power.

[Bob]

Oh, I guess the over pressurization would cause the manifold to explode.
I have never lit methane gas.

[DarthJoe8]

Modifying the vehicle wouldn't be the most difficult part, but making methane to a consistent purity, collecting it, transferring it into your vehicle, and delivering a consistent amount to the engine would be pretty difficult.

Thunderdome!!:drinking:

Max (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0000154/): I don't know anything about methane.
Aunty Entity (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0877913/): You can shovel shit can't you?

Aunty Entity (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0877913/): We call it Underworld. That's where Bartertown gets its energy.
Max (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0000154/): What, oil? Natural gas?
Aunty Entity (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0877913/): Pigs.
Max (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0000154/): You mean pigs like those?
Aunty Entity (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0877913/): That's right.
Max (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0000154/): Bullshit!
Aunty Entity (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0877913/): No. Pig shit.
Max (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0000154/): What?
The Collector (http://allthingszombie.com/name/nm0861930/): Pig shit. The lights, the motors, the vehicles, all run by a high-powered gas called methane. And methane cometh from pig shit.

[C J]

Putting aside all the humour for a moment. I will interupt and present the largest world's largest truck. Here is the Titan. Forgive if this has been posted already.

http://www.roadsideattractions.ca/titan.htm

http://www.roadsideattractions.ca/titan.htm

[mattifikation]

I'll see your Titan and raise you one:

The crawler they move the space shuttle around on. (http://images.dieselpowermag.com/news/0705dp_03_z+nasa_diesel_shuttle_crawler+test_base_ aeiral.jpg)

And then, I'll raise you two:

I'm pretty sure they built this to fight Cthulu. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SA5flV_tb-E/ReRkTBsIymI/AAAAAAAABhY/TehkQ3scVgY/s400/trencher01.jpg)

[mattifikation]

In all seriousness, one of these might be pretty good:

http://www.tanksforsale.co.uk/Gaz66_truck_for_sale.htm

[Bob]

OK Matt
I will bite, what is that thing used for?

[Darkness]

"CJ: Love your idea of a 'Monster Truck'!" :clap:

"Matt: Love the flatbed hauler, and that Bridge Mover is a nice touch. Plus, you even included the Personnel Vans, well done!" :drinking:




"Can you say Zombie Squishing Caravan?" :) :lol:

[mattifikation]

It's a digger, actually. The "saw" is actually made of buckets.

http://gizmodo.com/215801/worlds-largest-digger-digs-potentially-destroys-world

I think that's just a cover story they came up with to get funding to build the thing. I'm fairly certain it's actually for fighting Cthulu. When the time comes, they sharpen the buckets and they just rip big gobs of flesh off of Cthulu.

No doubt it's also equipped to fight Megatron, the Cloverfield Monster, Godzilla, and Rosie O'Donnell.

[Bob]

http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3282/nikevehiclelarge2022335.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

Bob, what is it with you and posting the coolest shit tonight?

[Bob]

Just in a weird mood.
3 gun deals have gone south in the last 48 hours.
One is not dead but I may let it die.

It's like buying vehicles.
People think their gun / car / truck is worth more than it is and can't be reasoned with.


Then again in the ZPAW it won't matter will it.

In order to stay on topic
What do you think of the idea of a tactical hupmobile

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5164/2387914730073902430yxbc.jpg

[Dave Of The Dead]

I would drive it.

I just got my survival-mobile back from the autoshop today. Its a '92 Chevy Corsica and its a BEAST! It gets as pissed off as I do when she doesn't work right. For some reason when I went to work today, not even two hours after getting it back from getting the fan belt replaced, I couldn't get her over 35 mph without it dropping down gears for some reason. Anyway I was getting pissed so as I stomped on the accelerator repetitively and punched the dash and roof my little beast bucked back and shook loose whatever was wrong with her. All I heard was a "thunk" then a "ting!" noise and she jerked up to 60 mph. I don't know what was wrong, but she works great now. I've been through many thousands of miles in that car and would totally trust taking that thing cross-country. I should post pictures sometime.

[C J]

About a moment ago I had dropjaw. Those vehicles may aswell be from a different universe 'cause they are not in the same class as the so called largest truck in the world. Nice... The Russian truck is not too bad, too.

As for the resort truck that makes you think of a mobile k-mart. Pretty cool stuff.

[mattifikation]

Here's another picture of the NASA crawler:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/STS117rollout.jpg/800px-STS117rollout.jpg

I'm in complete awe of that thing. It would be more of a mobile base than a vehicle...

Oh, and then there's this, probably a photoshop though:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/144876.jpg

[DarthJoe8]

Here's another picture of the NASA crawler:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/STS117rollout.jpg/800px-STS117rollout.jpg

I'm in complete awe of that thing. It would be more of a mobile base than a vehicle...

You know that that thing takes days to go 100 yards right?? :lol:

[mattifikation]

If you had that thing, you would *have* days to go 100 yards.

Not to mention there's no realistic way to get one... so if you *could* get one, chances are you'd have the resources to make it a bit faster also.

[hotlead]

Just put in a K&N airfilter and some bigger pipes so it can get a full breath, and I'll bet you could easily make it go 100yds in less than three days, but then you'd better put a five-point in there, or you'll slide all over the seat.

[Subgenius]

Just in a weird mood.
3 gun deals have gone south in the last 48 hours.
One is not dead but I may let it die.

It's like buying vehicles.
People think their gun / car / truck is worth more than it is and can't be reasoned with.


Then again in the ZPAW it won't matter will it.

In order to stay on topic
What do you think of the idea of a tactical hupmobile

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5164/2387914730073902430yxbc.jpg

I like it! :drinking: :)

In any real situation with zombie, your car pictured here is actually the most likely to be the most realistic. If that makes any sense. LOL. I mean that we would all probably have a hard time finding the dream vehicles that we talked about in this thread. Especially the military vehicles.

I would have to fight my way to a fire station, or a forest fire station to be more accurate, in order to get the vehicles that I listed. That would be hard in a full-blown Romero zombie outbreak where the zombies come to life all over the planet all at once on a single day.

If we had to be seriously realistic, then we would have to list the vehicles that we have within a few hundred feet or a few hundred yards of our homes. Most of what I see that I would risk my butt for are SUV's, pick-up trucks, and one semi-tractor trailer without the trailer. But, that big truck is only there like one or two days a week. It's on the road a lot.

The reason that I like my forest fire truck is that it has that cage built around the truck. If I had to use my own sedan or street car like a sports-car, then it would get bashed up and taken out fairly quickly if trapped in a large enough crowd of zombies.

[mattifikation]

Just put in a K&N airfilter and some bigger pipes so it can get a full breath, and I'll bet you could easily make it go 100yds in less than three days, but then you'd better put a five-point in there, or you'll slide all over the seat.

That's the expensive way out. I was thinking more along the lines of putting a wing on the back. Everybody knows putting a wing on something doubles the horsepower.

[Bob]

Spinners
Thats what you need for it.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1976/crownvicspinners550x354.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3470/40inchrims6317056.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/8268/garfieldbox16256714.jpg

[bandits1]

Here's another picture of the NASA crawler:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2d/STS117rollout.jpg/800px-STS117rollout.jpg

I'm in complete awe of that thing. It would be more of a mobile base than a vehicle...

Oh, and then there's this, probably a photoshop though:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/144876.jpg
That's what I was thinking. Unfortunately it uses 150 gallons of diesel per mile, and only has a 2 mph top-speed(unloaded).

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4751/anhjawassandcrawler.jpg

[mattifikation]

What if you could put a nuclear reactor in it? I'm sure one of the ones they use for powering nuclear subs could fit on that beast.

(I'm making the assumption that if somebody were capable of obtaining a NASA crawler, they'd be working with nearly limitless resources.)

[Darkness]

:drinking: "And The Zombie Squishing Caravan Rolls On!" :drinking:

[homelitexl]

dude if yall are gonna drive that i want a panzer mk IV

[ZombieBruce]

i r wantz a Big CHieftan combat tank. YEHAA:evil:

[Darkness]

"Ok, guys, lay off!" :x

"We all have our quarks and hobbies, German Treasures happen to be Homelitexl's. It's not a crime, so stop treating it like one, and get back on topic!" :naughty:

[kiltedninja]

dude if yall are gonna drive that i want a panzer mk IV

There's a reason all that nazi shit was outdated and replaced, because it's NAZI SHIT. There's better tools now, and can you even drive a Panzer mk IV?

[mattifikation]

Actually, the Nazis' scientific achievements far outpaced that of the Allies. If Hitler had seen the value of investing in that science on a large scale, they probably would have won. After the war, Nazi scientists were brought over to the U.S. and their "shit" ended up leading to our space program, jet technology, ICBM technology, and who knows what else behind the "Green Door."

As for it being outdated and replaced, so has the technology from every one of the other major powers of WWII.

The Nazis might have been evil, but they were smart. Like Lex Luthor.

[kiltedninja]

The point I was trying to get at is that its outdated. I know a lot of our own shit is too, but I'm not trying to use it.

[CAVU45]

The problem with old German equipment from WW2 as it still is today is the German propensity to over engineer things and make them more complicated than they need to be. That was the big problem with the Panzers and to an even greater extent the Tiger series. Almost nothing could be done int he field and the manufacturing process alone took far too long and used resources that were increasingly scarce. That holds true to day with even our own military technology today. You want to use a Abrams or Bradley? You'd better have one hell of a long logistics train behind you and a ton of highly skilled techs to work on the equipment. Even if all I posted weren't necessarily true (which it is) what would happen to you if you threw a track in a zed infested area?

[ZombieBruce]

ehhh i agree that its old nazi shit and the nazis lost so there a sign. how about an armored bus?

[CAVU45]

ehhh i agree that its old nazi shit and the nazis lost so there a sign. how about an armored bus?


Armored bus? Probably run into the same problems as the uparmored HMMWVs. Way too much weight the vehicle was never designed to carry wears it out in no time and usually at the worst possible time.

[hotlead]

From 1945 up until a few years ago, lots of modern, western armies looked and operated alot like the German army of WWII.

For example, you take a US Army M60 gunner and his A-gunner from the mid '90s, and a MG-42 gunner and his A-gunner from 1944, and you'll see more similarities than differences. The MG-42 and M60 sitting next to each other show a definate lineage if not outright duplication, when the tops are open, the guts are almost identical. The uniforms are even similar, fritz helmet, cammies with a four pocket blouse and pants bloused into high black boots, Y shaped suspenders. The German leadership lost the war, not the regular German army.

And on topic,

I'd sure like a GM built M5A1 halftrack, combat loaded of course, with a 2ton trailer full of fuel and other neccessaries. From what I've seen, those are easy to work on, and very difficult to throw a track. There were sloped roofs with a gap between them and the walls added to some of those at the end of WWII in the ETO, upset German soldiers would toss grenades into passing trucks and halftracks, this would keep the grenades(and zombies) out while allowing the crew and soldiers to fire out.

Yeah, an M5A1 for me.

[Noc]

The Nazis might have been evil, but they were smart.

They also had a wicked fashion sense, they were like the stormtroopers of the 40's.

On the topic of vehicles, an aircraft carrier would be pretty awesome. But unless I come across a large sum of money, I'll be driving a good ol
4.0 1997 El Falcon.

[Slayer]

If I am going to drive a tank, in the ideal, just give me something of Soviet design, something simple, and rugged, like the T-55 or T-72, they are sure a lot easier to maintain. In the more realistic world though, a solid pickup truck will do.

[CAVU45]

Have you ever seen a T-55 or T-72 up close and personal? They're a nightmare. Simple in design, true. But very difficult to maintain, requiring more to keep them running than more modern designs. Not to mention they were built for short people and are an absolute bitch to operate. If you're taller than 5'6" you can forget about getting in one. The driver of a T-72 was issued a sledgehammer to help get the tank in gear sometimes.

[homelitexl]

well my y-z 125 dirtbike ought to be enough for me

[mattifikation]

The T-72 is probably the most sophisticated tank you can reliably get your hands on though. I mean, if you were rolling in money you could get one for about the same price as a mid-level luxury sedan. And you can score a T-55 for about the price of an entry level BMW in some cases.

The more modern tanks, you just can't get...

[Frallon]

You'd Seriously drive a Tank at the apocalypse? Yeah people wont notice that, and try n take it from you, At All :roll:

[Noc]

You'd Seriously drive a Tank at the apocalypse? Yeah people wont notice that, and try n take it from you, At All :roll:

I imagine the fact you are in a TANK, will persuade the raiders not to **** with you.

I mean would you try and attack a tank come Z-Day?:loon:

[CAVU45]

I imagine the fact you are in a TANK, will persuade the raiders not to **** with you.

I mean would you try and attack a tank come Z-Day?:loon:

No I wouldn't, though it really isn't that hard, I wouldn't be riding aorund in one either. A tank without infantry support is a huge, smelly, loud target.

[mattifikation]

There's nowhere I wouldn't ride a tank, if I had one. Z-Day. Parades. Grocery Store. Bike Trail. Drive-In Theaters. Everywhere.

The day I own a tank is the day I never leave my tank again. It has less to do with survival and more to do with "going out with a bang."

[Noc]

Yeah I know, I would be in a tank either unless it was stationary, and a was holding up there for a while. My point was the risk of someone 'stealing' your tank isn't very high.

[Subgenius]

A tank would not be good for long range travel in a zombie apocalypse. It is not fuel efficient, and they require special fuel like JP-8. It might be a good way to get from one point to another in an emergency. But, it would suck as general transport. Tanks are loud, and if the zombies are attracted to sound, then a tank will draw in far too many zombies to make it worthwhile.

If you could park the tank in an enclosed area like a Hercules fenced in lot, then it could be used as a base of operations. It's an armored bunker. But, as the days and weeks and months go by in the zombie outbreak, then the tank will lose fuel and eventually lose it's power from the batteries. It would eventually become just a well armored shelter.

[Frallon]

Are You Kidding me, we dont have z day yet, and people have already overran tanks on their own; Desperate Times calls for Desperate Measures.

[ZombieBruce]

helicopter anyone?

[CAVU45]

helicopter anyone?

Nope.Already been discussed. Helicopters face a similar situation as armored vehicles only more so. The level of maintenance required to keep a fling wing going is three times that of any other military or civilian vehicle. The logistics train would have to be even longer. And unlike ground vehicles, if something breaks while operating it, you will have a very bad, and possibly very short, day especially if flying in an urban environment.

[mattifikation]

I think the best survival vehicle is the closest one to you that runs, has gas in it, and isn't stuck somewhere.

[Darkness]

I think the best survival vehicle is the closest one to you that runs, has gas in it, and isn't stuck somewhere.

:lol: *Darkness falls over laughing.* :lol:

"Good one, Matt!" :clap:

[homelitexl]

oh then that would be my dirtbike its got half a tank and runs fast

[Frallon]

I wish i had a dirt bike, lol, because i am not getting caught driving a red moped at the zombie apocalypse; I'd rather be a zombie.

[kiltedninja]

I wish i had a dirt bike, lol, because i am not getting caught driving a red moped at the zombie apocalypse; I'd rather be a zombie.

Dude, why the hell not? Mopeds are the shit.

[Bob]

Bob says;
Mopeds are fun to ride as long as your friends don't see you.

[CAVU45]

Bob says;
Mopeds are fun to ride as long as your friends don't see you.

I see more and more of them on the roads around here. Many of those scooters are capable of near freeway speeds and some are as decked out as custom motorcycles.

[Noc]

Although in Australia, they have a higher percentage of fatal crashes than either car or bike.

I think it is because people ride them, thinking it is the same as a car, when really you need the 'motorbike mentality', if you know what I mean.:loon:

Anyway, what about riding an elephant? Maybe if they were DotD 04 zombies they wouldn't see you on stampys back, and they don't attack animals..:lol:

Then there's just the trouble of finding an elephant..:doh: