Weaponofchoice?

[WEAPONOFCHOICEKATANA]

sorry im a newbie

[Hunterx]

yo. This is a great site, I have to agree. I'd have to say my weapon of choice is a great sword. This isn't preferable for most people because they don't know how to use it, but I like it.

[Evildeadgamer]

Chainsaw ahhh I've watched evil dead to many times...i wanna watch it agian

[Zombie_215]

Sawed off shotgun.

Good to clear the zombies out of the way for a quick get-away. Just point and shoot!

[Hitman]

Sawed off shotgun.

Good to clear the zombies out of the way for a quick get-away. Just point and shoot!

something like this?
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/whippet.jpg

if this thread doesn't get locked I'll put up a vid of me shooting it today .

here is a vid of me shooting it today
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_rem11.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=rem11.flv)

[Zombie_215]

I would go for a pump-action. I have heard to many stories about semi-autos jamming up at the worst possible moment.

[MaxVeers]

US+D needs to be put back online. Alas, I'd say it's gettin canned.

[8mmUltra]

HitMan,
GR8 video! The sawed off shotgun is a good choice for you. :shotg:

I’ve been looking at the Stoeger Condor Outback in 12 ga. and use my barrel inserts to be compatible with my pistol choices.

However, I would have to stay with my custom Ruger 10/22, shooting Agulia .22 lr Hypervelocity ammunition.

[Shaun Pegg]

If I couldn't get my hands on that monster Jesse Ventura had in Predator then I'd have to go with aluminum baseball bat. I have a nice swing!

[zombieslayr]

Well for one (not that it matters) that shotgun is illegal I believe. I think federal (or at least Illinois) law dictates that all shotguns are to have a 14 inch barrel minimum.

My weapon of choice right now is a Ruger 10/22 with my Stevens 200 close by slung over my shoulder. I'm soon getting a Ruger mini-30 (yes I have decided 8mm) and I imagine once I get comfortable with that it will replace the ruger 10/22 as my primary long gun.

Handgun wise I'd take a gun I have probably never missed with, the Ruger Mk. 3. Very durable and veeeery accurate. The only thing that might cause me to pick a glock over it though is that the Ruger Mk.3 is heavy and it is more of a target gun than a combat weapon. So second choice handgun wise would be my dad's Glock 34 (we share).

I myself have never been a big shotgun fan, they are fun to shoot but for a gun I would trust my life to I wouldn't for the simple fact that I am a smaller person and recoil would be a problem for me. 20 gage and 4/10 I can handle comfortably. 12 gage is unpleasant for me but bearable and 10 gage I don't even want to talk about. The two shotguns I would suggest though for 12 gage shooters are the Remington 870 (pump) and the Remington 1100 (semi auto) both have a long history of reliablility and accuracy. I've shot both and they are good weapons.

Im just wondering here, what are those barrel inserts your talking about 8mm? This is the first time I have heard of them.

and that my friends is my :2cents:

[8mmUltra]

Zombieslayr here is the link for the inserts (http://www.mcace.com/shotguninserts.htm). I have several of these and they are fun and accurate. Remember, these are slow to use and are not cheap. Take a look at the site and let me know. Enjoy the Caribbean !

HitMAN has many toys that require special permits or government stamps/taxes. From what I know, he follows the rules.

[rhern]

MP5 get's my vote. :)

Not very practical, but it's my favourite gun.

[zombieslayr]

OOOOO, got it. If the :poo: really hits the fan there will also be the certain some of us (or their dads) who can work on certain things to make them do something a lot faster.

:shotg: to :machgun2:

he he he :evil:

[Bad Zombie Night]

OK, we all know this a US&D thread... However, I'll allow just this ONE to remain up for the time being.





...And I not saying for how long either. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/1bnz_smiley2.gif



Carry on. http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y152/bzn123/Smileys/Characters/army_salute.gif

[8mmUltra]

BZN = Thank you. I sent an e-mail to “Pain” & “Dead Kev” asking the question. “Zombie Talk Can't find a forum that fits your zombie-related topic? Post it here!” Is this what we are supposed to do? I never heard a reply. Maybe you have some influence with the “POWERS that BE”? Either way thanks again. Long live the 22 lr.

[Horror of Party Beach]

Okay, since you folks seem to know what YOU'RE talking about, I'm asking you to help me decision-make, here. Here's the scenerio: I'm 5 foot 4 and, though not one of the Olsen twins, any strong man could probably pick me up and toss me. I also have stiff neck/back pain/shoulders are shot from bursitis. Add to that carpel tunnel needing surgery in BOTH wrists. Physically, I'm not strong due to the aforementioned stuff.

BUT: I've got fantastic aim. Used to have a 2.2 pellet pistol we used to shoot tin cans with off the porch, and dang if I didn't just about hit my mark every time. One time (only) I went to a shooting place (whatever they're called) and picked up what I believe is a 22 pistol of some sort and shot real bullets into a target hanging yonder on a clothesclip on a sting-line before me. To my delight I hit the thing fairly accurately, even making a bullseye within the first three shots. Okay, so I'm weak but have good aim.

When I see or read about something blood/gore/painful/graphic, I literally toss my lunch, pass out, or do both. I seem to have no control over this.

In the event of a zombie uprising, if I had to defend myself or my family, I'm thinking I'd want to shoot them from a distance, say, from a good spot on my roof. Given my physical probs and my non-knowledge of guns in general, can anyone (in a simple way) tell me what weapon they'de reccomend for ME to use, and briefly, why? I'd really appreciate this, by the way, because it's been a question I've never been able to answer myself, with my limited knowledge of this topic.

[8mmUltra]

Here is the disclaimer; there will be others with their own opinion so take everything with a grain of salt, to inclued mine.

IMHO either the 22 long rifle or the 22 magnum is a good way for you to go. There are many manufactures but I like Ruger the best. Lucky for you Ruger makes a 22 lr & 22 mag in a 10/22 model. These weapons are well built, simple to use, and have the ability to rekill the un-dead. Another wonderful reason to look at the 22s is the interchangeability of the ammunition from a rilfe to a hand gun. (22lr for a rifle is the same for a pistol) Depending on you financial status here is a couple of good choices:

1. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 lr, Pistol = Ruger Mark II or III in 22 lr.
2. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 Mag, Pistol = Smith & Wesson M 651 in 22 Mag
3. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 Mag, Pistol = Taurus M 94-1 in 22 Mag
• Last but not least
4. Berretta and Ruger makes a “carbine” in 9 mm and in 40 S&W. This might be another way for you to go.

There will be others that will talk about different weapons, listen to what they say, it must work for them. Before you buy, go to a range and shoot a few rifles and pistol to see what you like.

[Hitman]

first thanks for keeping this open while it lasts.

now for rhern MP5 get's my vote.

Not very practical, but it's my favourite gun.

I think they are plenty practical . very accurate (with irons I'm breaking clays on the berm at 75yds), almost no recoil , very controlable in full-auto (a full mag into a 8X11 sheet of notebook paper at 30yds) . mags work great (and 100rd Cmags are avail.) . whats not to like. here is a pic of mine.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/eurotrash.jpg

the top gun is my FAL (.308) the bottom right is my MP5A3 and left is my glock 19 with a few of my many mags (I really like the 33rd ones).


Horror of Party Beach , while the .22 rimfires are great you might try a .223 or pistol carbine . both have very light recoil good mag capacity (CT is I belive an assault weapon state) . the .223 will be more accurate at longer range and has a much more powerful round. I'd lean more towards an AR style than a mini14 due to better barrels . and the AR can be built up in both pistol calibers and rifle calibers .
here is my brother shooting my 11.5" barreled M16 with a silencer on it . very little recoil even on fullauto.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_7cde8593.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=7cde8593.flv)

and yes the shotgun in the other vid is good to go ATF wise.

[Raimi Rules!]

The closest thing I could get to a gun is an air rifle or airsoft gun, so Id have to go for a kamagong or some sort of Filipino machete.

[Horror of Party Beach]

Here is the disclaimer; there will be others with their own opinion so take everything with a grain of salt, to inclued mine.

IMHO either the 22 long rifle or the 22 magnum is a good way for you to go. There are many manufactures but I like Ruger the best. Lucky for you Ruger makes a 22 lr & 22 mag in a 10/22 model. These weapons are well built, simple to use, and have the ability to rekill the un-dead. Another wonderful reason to look at the 22s is the interchangeability of the ammunition from a rilfe to a hand gun. (22lr for a rifle is the same for a pistol) Depending on you financial status here is a couple of good choices:

1. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 lr, Pistol = Ruger Mark II or III in 22 lr.
2. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 Mag, Pistol = Smith & Wesson M 651 in 22 Mag
3. Rifle = Ruger 10/22 in 22 Mag, Pistol = Taurus M 94-1 in 22 Mag
• Last but not least
4. Berretta and Ruger makes a “carbine” in 9 mm and in 40 S&W. This might be another way for you to go.

There will be others that will talk about different weapons, listen to what they say, it must work for them. Before you buy, go to a range and shoot a few rifles and pistol to see what you like.

The one I had used at the range was a 'pistol' and I remember the number 22 being said. Is a rifle those long things, though, and would I be able, do you think, to shoot it? I did like the gun I was using, it was of medium length, I think, for a gun.... would that be the 22 magnum, or is that a bigger gun?

[Horror of Party Beach]

first thanks for keeping this open while it lasts.

now for

I think they are plenty practical . very accurate (with irons I'm breaking clays on the berm at 75yds), almost no recoil , very controlable in full-auto (a full mag into a 8X11 sheet of notebook paper at 30yds) . mags work great (and 100rd Cmags are avail.) . whats not to like. here is a pic of mine.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/eurotrash.jpg

the top gun is my FAL (.308) the bottom right is my MP5A3 and left is my glock 19 with a few of my many mags (I really like the 33rd ones).


Horror of Party Beach , while the .22 rimfires are great you might try a .223 or pistol carbine . both have very light recoil good mag capacity (CT is I belive an assault weapon state) . the .223 will be more accurate at longer range and has a much more powerful round. I'd lean more towards an AR style than a mini14 due to better barrels . and the AR can be built up in both pistol calibers and rifle calibers .
here is my brother shooting my 11.5" barreled M16 with a silencer on it . very little recoil even on fullauto.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_7cde8593.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=7cde8593.flv)

and yes the shotgun in the other vid is good to go ATF wise.

yesterday I tried TWO TIMES clicking on the video to see you shoot that rifle and for SOME reason each time my comp locked up and I had to Ctrl Alt Delete WTH?! I really wanted to see it, too. Is there another link, a different way I could see it, and the new one you have on today? I didn't even try clicking on the one you got up today, not wanting to go thru all that and get mad and want to throw my comp right out the window here... LOL yeah I got a bit of a temper sometimes heh

[Hitman]

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=7cde8593.flv

http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=rem11.flv

these are direct links to the 2 vids , both of which are on photobucket. if that doesn't work let me know and I'll upload them to youtube or email them to you.

the .22mag is generaly a rifle round but a few pistols have been made in it. the .22lr is more common though.

[8mmUltra]

The one I had used at the range was a 'pistol' and I remember the number 22 being said. Is a rifle those long things, though, and would I be able, do you think, to shoot it? I did like the gun I was using, it was of medium length, I think, for a gun.... would that be the 22 magnum, or is that a bigger gun?

I am going to simplify this as much as I can.

The readers digest version of .22 rimfire. Basically there are five types of 22 cartridges, shot, short, long, long rifle, and winchester magnum rimfire (WMR) aka as Magnum. (Cartridge = primer, case, powder, & bullet) The main difference between the four cartridges is the length of the casing. (The longer the case the more powder the cartridge can hold) (More powder = more power) A” shot” round has very small BB’s (#12 shot) and are something for you to forget about.

The most common 22 rimfire is the “.22 Long Rifle” followed by the “.22 Magnum”. This being said, a 22 lr can travel between 350 feet per second (fps) to 1,750 fps., depending on the manufacturer of the ammunition and barrel length. Again, depending on the manufacturer of the ammunition and barrel length .22 magnum travels between 1,500 and 2,200 fps.

This ammunition, 22 lr, is also the least expensive to shoot and very light weight to carry. I have written in the past that “22 lr & magnum” are grain for grain the most powerful rounds on the market (IMHO only) and weight matters.

There are basically three types of weapons that will shoot these cartridges, pistols (single-shot, revolver, semi-auto, & full-auto), carbines (single-shot, bolt action, semi-auto, full-auto), and rifles (single-shot, bolt action, semi-auto, full-auto). These weapons basically vary in barrel length, pistols = 1” to 8”, carbines = 16” to 18”, rifles = over 18” to as much as 26”.

For you I suggested a Ruger 10/22 “carbine” (.22 lr or Magnun), a medium length weapon with good accuracy and an effective range from “Point Blank” to 100 yards/meters for the long rifle (Might be better depending on the shooter), and out to 150 yards/meters for the Magnum (Dependant on the ammunition).

As far as the pistols I suggested, they are very accurate and reliable too. A shooter, with practice, can score a “ZOMBIE” head shots consistently out to 25 yards/meters.

Not truly knowing your limitations, I would make the same recommendations to any new shooter (from 7 to 70 years of age).

Thank you Moderator, for keeping this thread open.

[nirvroxx]

my weapons of choice would be the ones I own:http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z68/nirvroxx/?action=view&current=mosinshoot.jpg
mosin-nagant m44, 7.62x54
http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z68/nirvroxx/?action=view&current=22shoot-1.jpg
marlin 795, 22lr
http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z68/nirvroxx/?action=view&current=rem.jpg
I own a mossberg 500, but thats my buddys remington 870..12 gauge

all the toys:http://s189.photobucket.com/albums/z68/nirvroxx/?action=view&current=lotsaguns.jpg
the little baby pistol on the bench is also my buddy's, its a berreta 22lr.

im adding a new one next friday. a S&W sigma .40 cal handgun.:)

[Hitman]

nice pics there and congrats on getting the .40s&w sigma. I had a 9mm one a few years ago . It was a good pistol but I like my glock better so I traded it off for my tarus pt99. had I not had the glock I'd have kept it . it was the only S&W that I liked that I've owned .

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

nice pics there and congrats on getting the .40s&w sigma. I had a 9mm one a few years ago . It was a good pistol but I like my glock better so I traded it off for my tarus pt99. had I not had the glock I'd have kept it . it was the only S&W that I liked that I've owned .

Ever tried one of their revolvers? I've got a 686 that's smooth, accurate, and tough as nails. Just the right combination for turning zombie craniums into carpet stains.:evil:

[Ms. Smith]

hmmmmmmmmmmmm may be a shovel no reloading, you can find them anywhere, multi-purpose. if it breaks you have a stick to jab in the eye socket then get the hell out of the way then end up finding another weapon.

Okay i know you thinking she is talking out her flabby ass but right now it seems more realistic. i can get a shovel alot faster than a gun no wait or bg check plus police don't look at u cockeyed if you have a shovel in your trunk for those just in case, cases lol.

[nirvroxx]

nice pics there and congrats on getting the .40s&w sigma. I had a 9mm one a few years ago . It was a good pistol but I like my glock better so I traded it off for my tarus pt99. had I not had the glock I'd have kept it . it was the only S&W that I liked that I've owned .

thanks...im really excited on the purchase. this is my first handgun, and I heard pretty good reviews for the sigma...theyre on sale right now for $340 and they come with 2 mags, but if I buy on saturday I get a voucher for 2 more mags for free! I was gonna get the 9mm for the fact that ammo is cheaper, but I love the extra punch the 40 cal provides...

[Hitman]

Ever tried one of their revolvers? I've got a 686 that's smooth, accurate, and tough as nails. Just the right combination for turning zombie craniums into carpet stains.:evil:

I've shot a few smiths but I can't remember what models the were (one was a 29 for sure). my father in law has quite a few that we plan on taking out some time soon . the last time out it was some of his custom colt SSA's and series 70 1911. my favorite .357 wheel gun is a nice colt python (which he has also). funny this is a python is the only wheel gun that I've had jam up so bad the gun was out of commision till we beat the cyclinder loose with a mallet. go figure. my wife took over my favorite .357 , a 6" security six , but it in good hands now. if figure that if the zombies come while I'm out she'll be able to hold her own for a while with it.

most of my wheel guns are biguns, my favorite being my .454 SRH . it'll come in handy for the zombies with helmets and zombie bears and such.

[Onslaught]

I've shot a few smiths but I can't remember what models the were (one was a 29 for sure). my father in law has quite a few that we plan on taking out some time soon . the last time out it was some of his custom colt SSA's and series 70 1911. my favorite .357 wheel gun is a nice colt python (which he has also). funny this is a python is the only wheel gun that I've had jam up so bad the gun was out of commision till we beat the cyclinder loose with a mallet. go figure. my wife took over my favorite .357 , a 6" security six , but it in good hands now. if figure that if the zombies come while I'm out she'll be able to hold her own for a while with it.

most of my wheel guns are biguns, my favorite being my .454 SRH . it'll come in handy for the zombies with helmets and zombie bears and such.

i suppose you'll save the .50 for the zombie hippos?

i am currently shopping for my first full size anti-zombie sidearm, and i have been trying out a few different makes and models. i fired the sigma at the local range (S&W rep was there with free rentals)
and i was rather unimpressed with the trigger. it was so heavy that i first thought i had left the safety on. other than that i felt it pretty solid.

my ideal anti-zombie weapon is evasion.

either that or something along the lines of the robinson XCR: gas piston, .223, uses AR mags, folding stock.

[Jack Swift]

If I could only have one weapon, I'd take a short-barreled pump/semi-auto shotgun.
It would give me a fair change to get a good enough headshot even when in a hurry.

Hitman
That's an efficient looking head popper you got there on the first page. Nice clip, too.

[Hitman]

thanks Jack Swift and welcome to the board.

Onslaught , welcome back (?) . have you looked at the FN 5-7 for zombies . 20rd standard mags witha 10 shot extension avail. slightly better power than a .22mag . centerfire and reloadable. supposed to be fairly accurate and very little recoil. I'm getting one next time I have a little extra money saved up. I need one for testing anyways. ammo is a little on the high side and the "good" ammo is LEO only.

[Onslaught]

nice to be back. what's the deal with the US&D forum? closed for too litle zombie talk?

i have, i keep meaning to rent it at my local indoor range, but everytime i'm there i'm put off by the price of the ammo, and something else catches my eye. i have often considered the 5.7 when thinking about zombie rounds though, they seem to have good power, range, and penetration.

[nirvroxx]

i might add a rossi .357 magnum to my arsenal instead of that S&W sigm 40...Ive read some good reviews on the rossi and well its a .357 for 299! plus it also shots 38 special.

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

I've shot a few smiths but I can't remember what models the were (one was a 29 for sure). my father in law has quite a few that we plan on taking out some time soon . the last time out it was some of his custom colt SSA's and series 70 1911. my favorite .357 wheel gun is a nice colt python (which he has also). funny this is a python is the only wheel gun that I've had jam up so bad the gun was out of commision till we beat the cyclinder loose with a mallet. go figure. my wife took over my favorite .357 , a 6" security six , but it in good hands now. if figure that if the zombies come while I'm out she'll be able to hold her own for a while with it.

most of my wheel guns are biguns, my favorite being my .454 SRH . it'll come in handy for the zombies with helmets and zombie bears and such.

That's funny about the Python. Revolvers are reknown for their reliability, and the Colt is one of the most expensive, smoothest .357s on the market. I have heard that they are more "delicate" than either a Smith or a Ruger (that's from an old comparo I read in a gun rag years ago). It's not something I'd want to happen with a wall of rotting cannibals bearing down on me. I've never had a problem with either my 686 or the GP100 I had, decendant of your (wifes) Security Six.

[Hitman]

i might add a rossi .357 magnum to my arsenal instead of that S&W sigm 40...Ive read some good reviews on the rossi and well its a .357 for 299! plus it also shots 38 special.


I'd get the smith way before I'd get the rossi. they rank way low on the list. a friend of mine bought one (a .357 mag) , nice looking pistol , but didn't shoot for crap. we went through 200rds trying to sight it in at 25yds and couldn't do it. he sold it promply . I do have $40 rossi .38 that I got lucky on but its definatly a fluke from what I've seen . my dad also has one and out of the 3 (I've seen more at the range but it could have been bad shooters) one is minute of zombie , one is the same with a barn door and the other wouldn't hit the ground if you dropped it.

I shot a few sigmas (one is a friends .40) and all were combat accurate enough .

[Faran Brigo]

Weapons of choice for a zombie outrising? Cool. Hey, admin dudes, is the US&D permanently closed?

Here's my pick and some considerations:

Melee: Hand Axe, the kind with a light metal handle and rubber coating. The handle won't go bad on you.

Sidearm: Any good, reliable 9mm will do, but I lean towards the Glock 17, Beretta M92F/M9 and Browning HP. The caliber is powerful enough to punch into zombie skulls every time, maybe even through light obstacles without significant alterations in trajectory/power, like shelves in a supermarket, biker helmets, windows, etc. They have simple mechanisms and they're common so if something goes wrong I could always cannibalize another gun for parts. Couple of those are (relatively) cheap too. If I could get my hands on those high-capacity magazines, that's a plus.

Main: Ideally, an AK-101. Very reliable, lighter than its older relatives, and uses 5.56x45mm NATO. It's also relatively affordable, at least compared to other selections some people have made here, the bayonet is a plus. Also, automatic fire. It's better to waste 13-17 shots of a clip, than having 2 or 3 zombies I couldn't take down fast enough with semi-auto fire tearing at my clothes (and bowels).

If that's not an option, an M16/AR15 will do. They need maintenance but they're common, so at least it would be easy to find spare parts and cleaning kits.

I don't think sniper rifles are any use. Supply runs are in urban terrain and inside buildings, at close range. Submachineguns would probably be good enough to take down zombies inside buildings. If it's so far it can't notice me, it's not a threat.

Shotguns sound great because although headshots are ideal you could probably push back the undead for awhile with shotgun blasts, or at least blow the legs off a few off in a group and hopefully slow the whole bunch down as they trip over and/or trample the ones going down but you can't carry that many shells with you, and reloading is slow.

I don't like .22LR weapons because the bullet is small. You can carry more but if you can't score a headshot you won't even be able to slow a zombie down. Besides if other human hostiles are near I want something with enough punch to take him/her down with bodyshots, since they are not likely to stumble around like zombies. Also, wouldn't anything directly between you and the zombie (or over the zombie's skull) deflect/slow the bullet? Also, living people have survived brain injuries. I want something that will damage the brain extensively upon entry.

Speaking of that, I've heard that when you die, your bones lose a significant percentage of their strength (I've heard 25%-30% but I don't remember where, and I dunno if it's true at all). So maybe zombie bones would be more fragile.

Fixed position: Assuming I'm home (in a safehouse/shelter, you know, the base of operations), a pump-action 12-gauge shotgun would be nice. A .308 rifle would be good too. Weight, ammo weight and reload time considerations are out the window, so this is easier. Also, if they're NOTLD Zombies, molotov cocktails and torches would be very effective (provided your base of operations isn't flammable).

If someone didn't notice, I've kept in mind two things that I think are VERY important and people often overlook:

A.- You won't be facing only the undead, but other hostile humans. Also, they might be fast zombies (as seen on Dawn04) or berserkers (28DL).

B.- Headshots are the only thing that can "kill" a zombie, but they're difficult to score under stress and at a distance (for most of us anyway). Slowing them down is sometimes, all that it takes (or hypothetically, all that you could do).

C.- Ammo and parts might be scarcer than you think. If the outbreak is massive, they might not be produced in our lifetime again, so it's important to pick something common.

D.- Redundancy and multiple uses. The axe is also a tool, and the AK with bayonet gives you more room than the axe, should you HAVE to go melee.

I'm waiting for your comments, oh zombie veterans.

[nirvroxx]

I don't like .22LR weapons because the bullet is small. You can carry more but if you can't score a headshot you won't even be able to slow a zombie down. Besides if other human hostiles are near I want something with enough punch to take him/her down with bodyshots, since they are not likely to stumble around like zombies. Also, wouldn't anything directly between you and the zombie (or over the zombie's skull) deflect/slow the bullet? Also, living people have survived brain injuries. I want something that will damage the brain extensively upon entry.

oh man, your gonna get some flak from our local 22 guru "8MMultra" for that comment.....good post though..I would go with the 22lr though....you mentioned availabilty of ammo, and well there are probably more 22 rounds out there then there is of anything else!

I'd get the smith way before I'd get the rossi. they rank way low on the list. a friend of mine bought one (a .357 mag) , nice looking pistol , but didn't shoot for crap. we went through 200rds trying to sight it in at 25yds and couldn't do it. he sold it promply . I do have $40 rossi .38 that I got lucky on but its definatly a fluke from what I've seen . my dad also has one and out of the 3 (I've seen more at the range but it could have been bad shooters) one is minute of zombie , one is the same with a barn door and the other wouldn't hit the ground if you dropped it.

I shot a few sigmas (one is a friends .40) and all were combat accurate enough .

im hearing a lot of good stuff on the rossi though....i might just chance it...it went on sale yesterday for $260....

[Hitman]

the quality of the rossi may have gone up in recent years. if you get it let us know how it goes for you.

[nirvroxx]

the quality of the rossi may have gone up in recent years. if you get it let us know how it goes for you.

sure thing....I was gonna go with the sigma 40, but now that the rossi has gone down to 260, im gonna get it....besides, the guy at my local shop says they have sales on sigmas all the time, so, I'll probably end up getting that one later on.

[8mmUltra]

AS predicted!

Faran Brigo = “don't like .22LR weapons because the bullet is small. You can carry more but if you can't score a headshot you won't even be able to slow a zombie down.”
This is correct, but if you are NOT making a headshot don’t waste the ammunition. “Kill the brain you kill the GHOUL”, nothing else works. {P.S. the .22 lr has more than enough punch to penetrate the skull, break a patella, tibia, and fibula.} One other thing, 5,700 rounds of 22 lr. weighs less than 46 pounds. I was able to purchase ammunition (TEN THOUSAND rounds for $400.00) that travels over or at 1750 feet per second. What does your 9mm weigh?
“I want something that will damage the brain extensively upon entry.” OKAY so do I, This is why I have always said that the 22 lr. is not the only weapon/round in my arsenal. The round {22 lr} should NOT be overlooked in your anti-zombie weaponry. I would be willing to bet I have the MOST extensive collection of goodies on ATZ.

I am NOT trying to offend, I want to educate.

Just an extra,
These are mounted inside the Black SUV's you see in Presidential motorcades and VIP caravans. You need the windshield wipers going to clear the spent casings. They simultaneously fire 7.62mm bullets from six barrels at up to 4000 rounds( about 66 per second ) per minute.
http://navlog.org/q_car.wmv

[nirvroxx]

I don't like .22LR weapons because the bullet is small. You can carry more but if you can't score a headshot you won't even be able to slow a zombie down. Besides if other human hostiles are near I want something with enough punch to take him/her down with bodyshots, since they are not likely to stumble around like zombies. Also, wouldn't anything directly between you and the zombie (or over the zombie's skull) deflect/slow the bullet? Also, living people have survived brain injuries. I want something that will damage the brain extensively upon entry.

oh man, your gonna get some flak from our local 22 guru "8MMultra" for that comment....
AS predicted!

Faran Brigo = “don't like .22LR weapons because the bullet is small. You can carry more but if you can't score a headshot you won't even be able to slow a zombie down.”
This is correct, but if you are NOT making a headshot don’t waste the ammunition. “Kill the brain you kill the GHOUL”, nothing else works. {P.S. the .22 lr has more than enough punch to penetrate the skull, break a patella, tibia, and fibula.} One other thing, 5,700 rounds of 22 lr. weighs less than 46 pounds. I was able to purchase ammunition (TEN THOUSAND rounds for $400.00) that travels over or at 1750 feet per second. What does your 9mm weigh?
“I want something that will damage the brain extensively upon entry.” OKAY so do I, This is why I have always said that the 22 lr. is not the only weapon/round in my arsenal. The round {22 lr} should NOT be overlooked in your anti-zombie weaponry. I would be willing to bet I have the MOST extensive collection of goodies on ATZ.

I am NOT trying to offend, I want to educate.

told ya.:)

[Faran Brigo]

Not really sure how much 46 pounds of 9mm is. The sidearm is a secondary, I was thinking pistol and 4 high capacity magazines. If I lose or expend the ammo on me, I could lift more 9mm ammunition from dead cops, squad cars, dead military, etc. Plus any gun store carries 9mm ammo. I couldn't do that with a .22lr, at least not as easily. Doesn't matter how cheap it is, they might not make any more post-collapse (should the worst happen), and certainly dollar bills will be worthless. If anything, .22 ammo might be more useful as currency.

Personally, if I'm so badly outnumbered that I need to carry over 300 rounds of ammunition (a decent combat load), I'd rethink my strategy. If a building is infested with over, say, 100 ghouls, it might be safer/more efficient to burn it down. Unless I was starving or low on ammo (which renders clearing a building counterproductive), the risks far outweight the potential benefits of the supplies. If a crowd of hundreds is walking towards me down the street, I'd retreat, because unless I had something capable of mowing them down faster than they come, I'd be dead meat.

I'm pretty sure the .22lr has enough punch to get into the skull. In fact due to bone tissue necrosis, it would probably have enough punch to go clean through the skull, possibly only through the parts of the brain that the ghouls don't use (which is most of the brain apparently). I think ghouls function through the reptilian brain, so if you drove an icepick (or a .22 slug) through their frontal lobes it wouldn't stop them. Also, I'm still waiting for your response on my trajectory question.

Not at all offended, you've replied and made your points politely.

[8mmUltra]

Glad to hear I was non-offensive.... Here is how I see it.

The .22 lr (brain scrambler) is the most popular round in the world! I will leave that alone for now.

Now think about this, you live in a town or city with a population of 10,000 and if only 1% is infected that will leave 100 flesheating ghouls to deal with. The numbers will grow with the population in your area. I live in a county that has a population of over 1,000,000 do the math. (yuck!) The number of infected will grow by the minute because the government and local authorities will be ill equipped to deal with this type emergency.

Now let’s talk about what it takes to destroy the brain. According to documentaries and training films. NotLD “original” Ben was able to defeat several Zombies with a lug wrench. DotD “original” Peter killed a Ghoul with a screwdriver through the ear and into the brain. If you take a good look at the “training film DotD” you will see that most of the weapons are of .22 caliber. In the remake, Ana drove a fire place poker through the eye into the brain killing another ghoul. LotD, Cholo used some (low velocity) odd spear gun to do his dirty work.

O’h this question, you were talking about the 9mm. “The caliber is powerful enough to punch into zombie skulls every time, maybe even through light obstacles without significant alterations in trajectory/power, like shelves in a supermarket, biker helmets, windows, etc.”

Just a few thoughts, if there is an obstacle that will prevent you from shooting the ZOMBIE, isn’t that same obstacle going to stop the ghoul from getting to you? If a ZOMBIE is wearing a helmet the OPEN face or the light wind visor is nothing to shoot through and the visor will make it nearly impossible for the ZOMBIE to bite you, as it will act as a barrier from the teath.

P.S. If you don’t have a face shot the ZOMBIE is NOT looking at you and will not attack. So the obstacles are a blessing.

“it might be safer/more efficient to burn it down” Never set a fire to destroy a pack of flesheaters. There will be nothing to stop the spread of the flames!

[Faran Brigo]

Yeah the .22LR is very popular, largely because it's a cheap plinking round. Plinking with 9mm gets costly.

Clive Wearing, Michael Hill, Ahad Israfil and Phineas Gage all were living humans that survived metal rods, nails, etc. going through some part of their brains. A couple of them even remained conscious for over 15 minutes after suffering the injury. I'm guessing being undead, and not using most of the brain would only rise the zombie's chances of surviving a headwound.
I guess in Romero's universe any damage to the brain is fatal. If that's the case the .22 sounds better.

The zombie can't see you, but it can still hear you and possibly smell you. It will know you're there regardless of field of vision. The zombie might not be able to bite me, but it won't stop it from trying to tear into my guts with its hands. Since you like referring to the movies so much, keep in mind the hordes of zombies have ALWAYS found groups of survivors in safehouses, and they certainly can't see them through building walls. Also remember that zombies can use tools to kill (like the little girl that stabbed her mom to death in NOTLD) and that they're too stupid to figure out that they can't eat you, they'll try to attack and kill you regardless.

Any obstable light enough to be shot through is probably also light enough to be knocked down by a determined ghoul. We all know how effective glass windows are at stopping zombies...

Finally, I dunno about you but for me, living in a huge city would mean I have to get the hell out ASAP, not that I have to get enough ammo to kill half the city.

Although, if I could get a silencer for it, a .22LR semiauto would be good for silent takedowns. It's hard to hear it with intact hearing, probably would be harder with hearing in decay.

[8mmUltra]

Yeah the .22LR is popular, because it's a cheap plinking round. Plinking with 9mm gets costly. The Pinto was very popular too. Popular doesn't equal "good".

Clive Wearing, Michael Hill, Ahad Israfil and Phineas Gage all were living humans that survived metal rods, nails, etc. going through some part of their brains. A couple of them even remained conscious for over 15 minutes after suffering the injury. I'm guessing being undead, and not using most of the brain would only rise the zombie's chances of surviving a headwound.
I guess in Romero's universe any damage to the brain is fatal. If that's the case the .22 sounds better.

The zombie can't see you, but it can still hear you and possibly smell you. It will know you're there regardless of field of vision. The zombie might not be able to bite me, but it won't stop it from trying to tear into my guts with its hands.

Any obstable light enough to be shot through is probably also light enough to be knocked down by a determined ghoul. We all know how effective glass windows are at stopping zombies...

In no way am I telling you are wrong about anything you have posted. All I said was, "The round {22 lr} should NOT be overlooked in your anti-zombie weaponry." As far as my weapon of choice? I have customized a Ruger 10/22 to meet the impending Zombie uprising.

P.S. Zombies like any predator will come at you head on {face first}, this will give you the brain shot needed to survive.

[Faran Brigo]

I can see why you prefer the .22LR, but like most calibers and weapons there are pros and cons to the choice. In many weapons, like chainsaws, rocket launchers, etc. The cons outweight the pros by a large margin. For me the .22 is not useless, but it wouldn't be my caliber choice for the reasons I already mentioned.

It's really a matter of what you are willing to trade off. For me this is when tactics (and objective) kick in: Are you planning on sneaking into a walmart and securing it? or getting in and out fast? will you try to evade ghouls or take down as many as you can? are you likely to face other humans? at what range will most of your fighting be done?

Here are the pros and cons (IMO) when comparing the two calibers:

.22LR: Enough power to punch into an undead skull. Low weight means you can carry more ammunition that you could need, and that's good when things don't go according to plan. Ammo is cheap. Very low recoil means almost instant recovery time from shot to shot, and faster rate of fire. Most if not all commercial vendors carry .22, AND most people will shrug it off looking for the high power rounds, so it'll be relatively easy to find more ammo.

Cons: Not enough power to use against the living. Bullet will be deflected by obstacles. Subsonic and other types of low power rounds will ocassionally jam (or fail to cycle) a semi-auto.

9mm (PB): Standard round for Military/LE, obvious advantages when it comes to supply. Enough power to go through some obstacles and to be used against other humans. Will cause extensive trauma (compared to the .22) upon entry. Low recoil. Many semiautos use it so the gun itself can be replaced easily.

Cons: Moderate ammo weight. Much more expensive ammo. Higher recovery rate than the .22.

For me the extra power is worth the sacrifice in total rounds carried since I plan to survive mostly by looting, moving fast and engaging small packs of zombies in my way, ignoring the rest if they don't present a significant threat. If the strategy required to clear places and advance slowly but steadily against hordes of undead (or keep them at bay), then the .22 with a high capacity, semiautomatic rifle would clearly be the better choice to exterminate ghouls. Or also if the idea was to use stealth instead of speed (and you have a silencer handy).

[Hitman]

Although, if I could get a silencer for it, a .22LR semiauto would be good for silent takedowns. It's hard to hear it with intact hearing, probably would be harder with hearing in decay.

something like this ?
my 10/22 with a form 1 suppresor
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/quietrifle.jpg


or something more like this ?an AM180 with the 275rd drum and my crusader silencer.
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/th_180crusaderfed.jpg (http://s74.photobucket.com/albums/i277/bobsboobs/?action=view&current=180crusaderfed.flv)

you thing 9mm is expensive . try owning 3 9mm machine guns.

the way I look at the .22 is its for safe places to pick off zombies in peace and quitet. a handy .22lr suppresed pistol could probly make it into my gear during raids for supplies (I'm not planning on needing to make supply runs but I'm just thinking of what ifs).

run loadout would probly be something like
me , suppresed M16 , 870 breacher , suppresed 9mm . my brother suppresed MP5 , suppresed 10/22 , 9mm pistol . anyone else can have a pic of whats left (lots). that covers quiet work , locked doors , rushed by large zombie mobs , human threats (bikers from DoTD for exmple) ,etc.

[8mmUltra]

Faran Brigo = “Clive Wearing, Michael Hill, Ahad Israfil and Phineas Gage all were living humans that survived metal rods, nails, etc. going through some part of their brains. A couple of them even remained conscious for over 15 minutes after suffering the injury. I'm guessing being undead, and not using most of the brain would only rise the zombie's chances of surviving a headwound.”

I agree, there have been “many” (thousands) people who have survived Traumatic Brain Injuries. The ones you mentioned are from low velocity impacts and the projectile remained “impaled” in the skull and brain. Low velocity will NOT provide the “Hydrostatic Shockwave” that destroys surrounding tissue {lets not forget the shrapnel from the bullet and shards of skull}. An impaled object also acts like a “cork” in a bottle and delays and extremely limits the cerebral hemorrhage {on the living}. History has shown that the “Human” body can survive all types of trauma. There have been reported cases of people surviving Gun Shot Wounds (GSWs) to the skull and brain from almost every firearm caliber manufactured.... Remember that “shockwave” thing I was talking about. It works wonders inside a closed cavity, like the skull of a ghoul.

Just a little “Zombie” food for thought.
8mmUltra

[Faran Brigo]

Hitman: Yeah, now that's what I'm talking about!

Personally I think that load is excessive. I wouldn't carry that many suppresors, just one for the handgun (or .22). I don't see the point in silencing everything. I think it might be better to just pick the least amount of guns you need and carry more ammo instead of more guns. Just my 2 cents.

8mmUltra: I don't think there would be much shrapnel or bone shards from a .22. I know about hydrostatic shock, it's basically the energy from the proyectile being transferred to the sorrounding tissue/material. It's the reason why JHP works better than FMJ ammo on targets without body armor. I'm guessing JHP would do quite the number on a zombie skull by the way.

Indeed there have been cases of people surviving many calibers, but again, I believe being undead would dramatically raise the chance of "surviving" a GSW to the head. Logically the heavier and faster the proyectile, the more energy it has to transfer to the target, and the more surface area it has to do so (and the harder the target is), the rate of energy transfered is greater. I'm not so much worried that the .22 won't enter the skull. Frankly I think considering damage and weakening of the tissues (including bone) it might punch clean through the undead skull, leaving a narrow wound canal and a very pissed off zombie trying to sink its teeth unto me.

So I reason, if a small bullet creates a shockwave which might destroy the brain (but doesn't do so every time) in the living, it will work less effectively on ghouls since they don't feel pain, they don't bleed, and most of the brain is vestigial. BUT a bigger bullet will cause more extensive damage and thus, the probability of the ghoul surviving the injury, although still higher than a living human, is lowered considerably. The smallest round I'd be comfortable with in that aspect is the .32 S&W but it's not as easy to find another .32 than finding another 9mm. That's all I'm saying.

[8mmUltra]

Faran Brigo = “I know about hydrostatic shock, it's basically the energy from the proyectile being transferred to the sorrounding tissue/material.” (YES, this part is correct) “It's the reason why JHP works better than FMJ ammo on targets without body armor.” (However, this is NOT correct) Hallow Point (HP) ammunition is designed to expand at impact and transfer more energy into the target. Full Metal Jacketed (FMJ) ammunition will hold together and increase penetration into the target.

Imagine a boat on a lake; the water is “DEAD” calm. The boat travels at 5 miles per hour (mph) the wake (Vapor trail) is mild and gently flows away and impact the shore softly. Same boat, traveling on the same “Dead” calm body of water. However, this time the boat is traveling 50 mph, a LARGE wake will follow smashing on to the shore. HUGE vapor trail! LOTS of hydrostatic pressure inside a closed cavity.

The velocity of a projectile is MUCH more important that it’s frontal profile or mass. (aka. Kinetic Energy)

P.S. Remember your 9mm is only a "36 caliber (kind of)" Millimeter is the same measurement as caliber except it is expressed in metric. Here's the magic number - 1 inch equals 24.5 millimeters. Setting up the ratio of 1 inch is to 24.5 millimeters as "X" is to 9MM the answers is ..367 caliber. Just slightly (.01inches) larger than the 357 or 38.

P.P.S. I love the 32 cals... thus the "8mmUltra" in a semiauto handgun.

[Faran Brigo]

Kinetic energy is a function of velocity and mass, in fact KE is calculated using the formula E=1/2MV(square) where E represents Kinetic energy, M represents mass and V represents the speed of the object. It can't be "more important" if it's part of it, can it?

The frontal profile only determines contact surface. The contact surface determines how much resistance the projectile will encounter and thus, how much energy will be transferred to the objects it brushes against (both air and the target), slowing the projectile down. If the velocity of the projectile was that important, we'd all be using fleschette rifles by now.

I don't know if you're familiar with the Steyr ACR. It was an assault rifle that fired very small (10 grain) fleschettes at tremendous speed (around 4750 FPS), had very low recoil, very flat trajectory and was very accurate. It of course, sliced through kevlar. The problem? the fleschettes went straight through the flesh as well, causing LESS tissue damage than a .40 (which doesn't have NEAR the speed). It was also more expensive to produce fleschettes but that's not the point.

Nothing fantastic goes on at supersonic speeds, classical physics still apply, it's not enough to have a lot of energy, you also need a means to transfer that energy to the target. Lets take the boat analogy shall we:

A better comparison would be a boat with a standard hull and a hydrofoil with similar engines (power-wise). The boat will go slower, because the contact surface between the boat and the water is larger and so more energy is transfered from the boat to the water, slowing it down and creating those large waves smashing to the shore. This would be your standard round, lower speed but larger profile.

The foils under the hydrofoil will eventually generate enough force to lift most of its hull out of the water, reducing the contact surface and allowing the boat to go faster. It will slice clean through the water, conserving most of the kinetic energy and thus going faster on the same amount of power. But creating very little waves, as most of the energy is retained on the hydrofoil's body. This would be your high speed, low resistance small round.

Now lets take this to zombies. If you had 12 friends with high velocity armor piercing rounds shoot a zombie at the same time in the stomach, you'd have 12 holes (and a lot of intestines hanging out probably :P).

If you had a friend with a shotgun loaded with buckshot, you'd have less holes but the ghoul would stammer back. Although there's less energy in a single shotshell, more energy was transferred to the zombie. Undead tissues are likely to be softer due to decomposition and so present less resistance and recieve less energy from the bullets piercing them.

[Hitman]

P.S. Remember your 9mm is only a "36 caliber (kind of)" [/COLOR] Millimeter is the same measurement as caliber except it is expressed in metric. Here's the magic number - 1 inch equals 24.5 millimeters. Setting up the ratio of 1 inch is to 24.5 millimeters as "X" is to 9MM the answers is ..367 caliber. Just slightly (.01inches) larger than the 357 or 38.

P.P.S. I love the 32 cals... thus the "8mmUltra" in a semiauto handgun.


8MM its 25.4 for the conversion factor . 9mm is .354 and is loaded with .356" bullets . its usually .001 smaller that bullets for .38 and .357 mag . sometimes a 158gr .357" cast bullet is used for 9mm subsonic loads though.

[8mmUltra]

Kinetic energy is a function of velocity and mass, in fact KE is calculated using the formula E=1/2MV(square) where E represents Kinetic energy, M represents mass and V represents the speed of the object. It can't be "more important" if it's part of it, can it? Yes, it can, velocity is the most important factor when it comes to KE - - - Its the "V" squared thing!

The frontal profile only determines contact surface. The contact surface determines how much resistance the projectile will encounter and thus, how much energy will be transferred to the objects it brushes against (both air and the target), slowing the projectile down. If the velocity of the projectile was that important, we'd all be using fleschette rifles by now. Sure a LARGE surface area projectile moving the same speed as a smaller surface area projectile will transfer more energy to the target. However you are talking about a .367” diameter moving 1100 fps. I am talking about a .224 diameter moving 1750 fps. 9mm = (115 grain bullet @ 1100 fps = 309.06 EK) 22 lr. = (34 grain bullet @ 1750 fps =231.27) You only gain 78 + or – KEs. Your 9mm weigh 3½ times the 22 lr. four every two 9mm I can shoot seven and come out way ahead on the KE exchange.

I don't know if you're familiar with the Steyr ACR. It was an assault rifle that fired very small (10 grain) fleschettes at tremendous speed (around 4750 FPS), had very low recoil, very flat trajectory and was very accurate. It of course, sliced through kevlar. The problem? the fleschettes went straight through the flesh as well, causing LESS tissue damage than a .40 (which doesn't have NEAR the speed). This is not correct either, human tissue is very elastic. The hydrostatic shockwave tears the flesh and creates a larger area of damage that is difficult to treat. itwas also more expensive to produce fleschettes but that's not the point. This is NOT accurate. What is your source?

Nothing fantastic goes on at supersonic speeds, (Sure is dose, Look a the 50 SMG round. Without velocity you have nothing special) classical physics still apply, it's not enough to have a lot of energy, you also need a means to transfer that energy to the target. Lets take the boat analogy shall we:

A better comparison would be a boat with a standard hull and a hydrofoil with similar engines (power-wise). The boat will go slower, because the contact surface between the boat and the water is larger and so more energy is transfered from the boat to the water, slowing it down and creating those large waves smashing to the shore. This would be your standard round, lower speed but larger profile. Nice try but No, you should reread the section again. It was a good illustration of how the hydrostatic shock wave works. Same mass, same resistance, same frontal area, and different velocities. Take another look.

The foils under the hydrofoil will eventually generate enough force to lift most of its hull out of the water, reducing the contact surface and allowing the boat to go faster. It will slice clean through the water, conserving most of the kinetic energy and thus going faster on the same amount of power. But creating very little waves, as most of the energy is retained on the hydrofoil's body. This would be your high speed, low resistance small round.

Now lets take this to zombies. If you had 12 friends with high velocity armor piercing rounds shoot a zombie at the same time in the stomach, you'd have 12 holes (and a lot of intestines hanging out probably :P). NO again. I wouldn’t waste the ammunition shooting the ghoul in the stomach. ROFL

If you had a friend with a shotgun loaded with buckshot, you'd have less holes but the ghoul would stammer back. Although there's less energy in a single shotshell, more energy was transferred to the zombie. Undead tissues are likely to be softer due to decomposition and so present less resistance and recieve less energy from the bullets piercing them. No, it would have a greater impact on the ghoul. The 12 people shooting HIGH velocity rounds will be sending MORE energy to be absorbed by tissue increasing the impact and pushing back harder than the 12 gauge.

I have enjoyed this conversation. I can tell you are no fool but we should continue this in PMs. The moderators have been kind and allowed us to have this forum and I don’t want to muck things up for others. We should move on.

[8mmUltra]

8MM its 25.4 for the conversion factor . 9mm is .354 and is loaded with .356" bullets . its usually .001 smaller that bullets for .38 and .357 mag . sometimes a 158gr .357" cast bullet is used for 9mm subsonic loads though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_H%26R_MagnumBullet diameter .315 in (8 mm) I still hate you.... lol.... rofl... TAke care friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_mm_caliber

[nirvroxx]

i went with the sigma .40....bought it saturday, now I have to wait 8 more days to pick it up...went to the range on saturday, and after hitting bowling pins 50 yards out with my 22, I would definetly consider it a must have weapon for a zombie outbreak.

[8mmUltra]

i went with the sigma .40....bought it saturday, now I have to wait 8 more days to pick it up...went to the range on saturday, and after hitting bowling pins 50 yards out with my 22, I would definetly consider it a must have weapon for a zombie outbreak.

Congrats on your purchase!:) :) :) :)

[nirvroxx]

Congrats on your purchase!:) :) :) :)

thanks! another weapon added to my arsenal...who would have thought buying guns would be so addicting! im already thinking about my next purchase....sheesh.

[zombieslayr]

Woah I missed a lot here! and here are my two cents. 22s are great weapons for the Z wars I think. For their size they hit hard. You could literally carry 5,000 rounds easy and the ammo is cheap and pleantiful.

As for my arsenal it includes a Stevens 200 bolt action in .223, a glock 34, and hopefully soon a Ruger mini 30

[Iron Knuckles]

Glock 17 and a Kel Tech sub 9 carbine [Mine runs off the glock mags], or a 1911 and a Marlin Camp 45, or a PX4 and a CX4, when I have to chose which to fight the undead with it will be from inside so Ill have a couple choices handy {PS don't own the PX4 yet}

[zombieslayr]

Keltechs are not quality weapons. Do not trust your life to one

[8mmUltra]

http://www.kel-tec-cnc.com/sub2000.html

http://mrcompletely.blogspot.com/2005/07/keltec-sub-2000-carbine-another-review.html


I do NOT know much about the “Kel-Tec”. I do like the idea of a small carbine, in pistol calibers, for the interchangeability of ammunition. I have provided a couple links so you can read for yourself. I like the idea, I think I get a “Ruger PC-9 or 4”.

[zombieslayr]

My dad's friend Rich Kazmeric had one and he said it was nothing but trouble

[DentFoster]

I'd love to go with a chainsaw & a shotgun just for fun with the one liners, but in reality I'd probably go with a machete and a compound bow.
Shop Smart!

[Jimmy]

A machete would be my choice.

[8mmUltra]

A machete would be my choice.

Well Jimmy (voice of a grandpa to grandson), the machete might sound like a wonderful weapon as it never needs to be reloaded. However, cutting implements like machetes, swords, axes, and large knives will put your life at risk due to the proximity (distance) you’ll have to be to the flesheating ghouls. Machetes are great garden tools but would be a weapon of last resort during a Zombie outbreak.

So, run along Jimmy and go clean your AK-47, like a good little boy.

[Iron Knuckles]

Keltechs are not quality weapons. Do not trust your life to one

Never had a problem with mine. I wonder if your judging by price or experiance.

[zombieslayr]

Im judging by the experience of another.

[Jimmy]

Well Jimmy (voice of a grandpa to grandson), the machete might sound like a wonderful weapon as it never needs to be reloaded. However, cutting implements like machetes, swords, axes, and large knives will put your life at risk due to the proximity (distance) you’ll have to be to the flesheating ghouls. Machetes are great garden tools but would be a weapon of last resort during a Zombie outbreak.

So, run along Jimmy and go clean your AK-47, like a good little boy.


Well 8mm, (Voice of grandson to grandpa o_O?) Of course I wouldn't run around chopping zombies like rambo unless it was a last resort. I just think machetes are badass melee weapons. Thanks though (grandpa?).

Also, who the hell uses a machete in their garden?


EDIT: I've shot my uncles keltech 9mm pistol many times and it jams literally like ever 5 shots... I would definatly not put my life in the hands of one of those guns. imo

[zombieslayr]

ha ha! Two votes against Kel-techs. Spend the extra money and get a glock or an (warning warning 8mm influence here) Beretta (end 8mm influence). Sig, H&K, Springfield, and Colt also make fine pistols but Berettas and Glocks are actually made for wars and such.

[Hitman]

my brother has a P3AT kel-tec. its a decent little pocket pistol . it won't shoot blazer but it likes most everything else. I couldn't recomend it for a main sidearm but it would make a decent backup ,esp in a close tussle with a zombie .I much rather have it than a croquet mallet.

I do like my glock (I use it for CCW now) . I'm not suer if thats what I'd tote while the zeds are out and about. depends on the situation though. for supply runs I'd pick something alot quieter that I've got.

[Jimmy]

My sidearm of choice would be a Sig P228.

[zombieslayr]

you dont want a p228, you want a p229. P228s were discontinued because the alloy slide could not handle +p or +p+ ammo. P229s are slightly heavier but have a steel slide which will allow you to shoot every thing. BTW I think almost all .357 sig is +p or +p+, same with 9mm almost all ammo except for some FMJ, as is .40. You are much better off with a Sig 229

[Jimmy]

Thanks for tellin me about that... I just turned 21 and that was gunna be the first gun I was gunna buy...

My dad told me he'd sell me his H&K USP 40 cal with a tactical light in mint condition for $400. Does anyone know much about the USP?

[Hitman]

USP's are really good guns from what I've seen . a friend of mine had one for a while . he sold it off to pay for his AR15 . it was a very good shooting gun , and I don't even like .40.

[Iron Knuckles]

Thanks for tellin me about that... I just turned 21 and that was gunna be the first gun I was gunna bye...

My dad told me he'd sell me his H&K USP 40 cal with a tactical light in mint condition for $400. Does anyone know much about the USP?

I know my brother paid about $800 for his usp tactical

[8mmUltra]

Well 8mm, (Voice of grandson to grandpa o_O?) Of course I wouldn't run around chopping zombies like rambo unless it was a last resort. I just think machetes are badass melee weapons. Thanks though (grandpa?).

Also, who the hell uses a machete in their garden?

Well Jimmy (voice of a grandpa to grandson), When you get to be my age and you are asked about a weapon of choice, a “last resort” melee weapon is not what I would post. I would go with my “weapon of choice” as my first “weaponofchoice”.

As far as, “who the hell uses a machete in their garden?” I do, when you get to be my age you’ll understand better. Now, be a good little boy, buy a Sig P-229 and remember don’t forget the night sights.

[zombieslayr]

USPs are good guns but if I remember right the fullsize is a BIG gun. The compact was the one that fit me well.

8mm knock off the grandpa thing your not that old. lol

[Jimmy]

USPs are good guns but if I remember right the fullsize is a BIG gun. The compact was the one that fit me well.

8mm knock off the grandpa thing your not that old. lol

Yeh, I was wondering... Does he do that with everyone or is it just me? >_>

[8mmUltra]

Yeh, I was wondering... Does he do that with everyone or is it just me? >_>

Jimmy, I meant no offense, I was just being funny. One last thing, I am a grandpa at 47. :doh:

[Iron Knuckles]

Holding a H&k USP is like getting friendly with a 2x4, I dont like em that big. I have no experiance with the compact tho smaller should be better for the grip in my opnion.

And the last thing ill say about the Kel Tec before haters get in there last words and maybe move to PM's is that my sub 9 has never ever jammed up on me. After more than 20,000 rounds.

And to 8mmUltra my neighbor is a grandfather at 34

[zombieslayr]

ha ha dont let it get to you 8mm. The H&K USP compact is very nice it fits my hand well.

Good for your keltech! I still dont think they are quality weapons at all. Baretta Storm is the way to go carbine wise.

[8mmUltra]

ha ha dont let it get to you 8mm. The H&K USP compact is very nice it fits my hand well.

Good for your keltech! I still dont think they are quality weapons at all. Baretta Storm is the way to go carbine wise.

I have to agree with "THE Zslayr", from what I can tell he has "GAME"!

[Zombiekilla55]

A real samurai sword. (Those have to be really sharp =D)

[8mmUltra]

Holding a H&k USP is like getting friendly with a 2x4, I dont like em that big. I have no experiance with the compact tho smaller should be better for the grip in my opnion.

And the last thing ill say about the Kel Tec before haters get in there last words and maybe move to PM's is that my sub 9 has never ever jammed up on me. After more than 20,000 rounds.

And to 8mmUltra my neighbor is a grandfather at 34

Not to give you any :poo: , but, you spent over $4,000.00 on ammunition and NEVER had a malfunction? This is calculated at 20,000 rounds divided by 50 rounds per box (x) $9.95 [my God that is cheap] per box = $3980.00 plus tax.

P.S. I am NOT a hater... I have never fired a "Kel Tek" nor do I know anyone that owns a "Kel Tek". I "LIKE" the idea of a carbine that is small light and user friendly. NO HATER HERE. I just question 20K rounds and "ZERO" malfunctions, nothing more than that. I am NOT attacking you or your statement about the quality of the Kel Tek, just the zero malfunctions.
8mmUltra

[detpat]

well, i have one of almost every kt that is made except for the new pf9, and mine are all reliable and accurate [within each one's envelope] and i carry a p3at as my edc piece. i have for several years and it has never disappointed. my sub 2000 is in g22 format and i love it as a companion piece to my g22. i have thought about getting one in g17 as the 30 round factory mags are superior to the scherrer mags i have to use in .40. i have had to return several of the scherrer mags to get a reliable one.

as for the storm, if the pistol caliber carbine doesn't have a special feature like the sub's folding one, then i have no use for it. after all the pistol cal carbine is just an extended pistol anyway, and way below a true rifle's capabilities anyway.

mpi

[8mmUltra]

well, i have one of almost every kt that is made except for the new pf9, and mine are all reliable and accurate [within each one's envelope] and i carry a p3at as my edc piece. i have for several years and it has never disappointed. my sub 2000 is in g22 format and i love it as a companion piece to my g22. i have thought about getting one in g17 as the 30 round factory mags are superior to the scherrer mags i have to use in .40. i have had to return several of the scherrer mags to get a reliable one.

as for the storm, if the pistol caliber carbine doesn't have a special feature like the sub's folding one, then i have no use for it. after all the pistol cal carbine is just an extended pistol anyway, and way below a true rifle's capabilities anyway.

mpi

I am sorry, I have read what you wrote several times and all I have to say is, "What in the hell are you trying to say?" Are you saying, "zero malfunctions?" Are you saying malfunctions were fixed with the propper mag?

[zombieslayr]

I am sorry, I have read what you wrote several times and all I have to say is, "What in the hell are you trying to say?"


Ha ha you have a good point there

[zombieslayr]

Holding a H&k USP is like getting friendly with a 2x4, I dont like em that big. I have no experiance with the compact tho smaller should be better for the grip in my opnion.

And the last thing ill say about the Kel Tec before haters get in there last words and maybe move to PM's is that my sub 9 has never ever jammed up on me. After more than 20,000 rounds.

And to 8mmUltra my neighbor is a grandfather at 34

Unless of course he was shooting some top quality stuff like Horandy TAP ammo or Remington Hydroshock. In which case he spent well over four thousand, more like eight or ten thousand on ammo. That is the only ammo I could think of that would almost never malfunction

[8mmUltra]

Unless of course he was shooting some top quality stuff like Horandy TAP ammo or Remington Hydroshock. In which case he spent well over four thousand, more like eight or ten thousand on ammo. That is the only ammo I could think of that would almost never malfunction

It was only a question.... I have had very good ammunition fail once or twice in "SEVERAL" thousands of rounds... Nothing perfect in 20K. :2cents:

[detpat]

sorry, didn't mean to be unclear.

i bought the scherrer mags because glock doesn't make 30 round mags in .40. this company does, but they aren't always the best in quality control and you have to test each mag you buy from them for reliability. i bought a couple that didn't measure up and had to be returned for exchange.

the sub 2000 i have is a flawless performer and i usually use efmj ammo, mostly because i have several .40 cal handguns and this ammo just happens to function and group well in all of them. each individual handgun groups and feeds best with a different round, but this one is the best all around performer for me.

the sub i have is a great shooter within it's limitations. i'm not a big lover of pistol caliber carbines in general and only have the sub as a complement to my glocks. that's why i don't have any interest in any other of the breed like the berretta. other than certain circumstances i have no use for these guns. i just felt a need to mention my experiences with kt firearms. i prefer the su16 to the sub in most circumstances. they both make a good shtf gun, but the su nudges out the sub except for concealment.

pat

[8mmUltra]

I get it now; the KT works well with the right magazine but will malfunction if you have the wrong or poor quality mags. (Just like any other semi-auto or the market)

I kind of like the idea of using a pistol cartridge in a carbine weapon. I found a “Smith” that will convert my M-1 30 cal. Carbine to a 10mm and the carbine will used my standard 1911 mags. This would be a very powerful tool come Z-day.

[Faran Brigo]

Not to rain on your parade guys, but this was more or less the reason (I presume) why they closed US&D. I love guns as much as any of you, probably more than a few of you, but this is turning into gun chat.

Now personally I think that's fine, after all it's implied that we're talking about using these on the undead (or post apocalyptic scavengers), and after all some criteria (like reliability, ammo capacity, weight, etc.) are important regardless of what you're trying to kill. But I think we're losing a little perspective.

Just my two cents.

[detpat]

so we can talk anything but guns? so what's your favorite brand of pc crowbar? is it reliable? what's the problem with talking about firearms?
pat

[Zombiekilla55]

Nothing wrong with talking about guns in my opinion. But yeah like Faran said this is turning into a gun chat...

[8mmUltra]

Faran Brigo, detpat, & Others,

A moderator has reviewed this thread (Weaponofchoice) and said, “OK, we all know this a US&D thread... However, I'll allow just this ONE to remain up for the time being.” The moderator (bad zombie night) was very kind to leave this thread open. So, I think if we keep the subject to “weapon of choice” during a ZOMBIE outbreak (and clarity about that weapon), we will stay safe and the site will remain open. Can't we all just get a long?

P.S. This thread is not a “GUN” chat but a “Weaponofchoice” CHAT. If you choose a gun, knife, or a PC crowbar, lets chat.

[Zombiekilla55]

I said it was 'turning' into a gun chat... you kind of can't say it isn't... It's suppose to be 'Weapon of choice for killing zombies', not discussing what type of guns do what.

[detpat]

well.....i guess we know what really scares people here, and it's not zombies.
pat

[8mmUltra]

I said it was 'turning' into a gun chat... you kind of can't say it isn't... It's suppose to be 'Weapon of choice for killing zombies', not discussing what type of guns do what.
Hunterx = sword, Evildeadgamer = chainsaw, Zombie_215 = Sawed off shotgun, 8mmUltra = 22 rifle, Shaun Pegg = aluminum baseball bat, zombieslayr = 22 & .223 rifle, rhern = MP-5, Raimi Rules! = kamagong, nirvroxx = mosin-nagant, DentFoster = chainsaw & a shotgun, Jimmy = machete, & Ms. Smith = shovel. I could go on but as you see a “Weaponofchoice” differs from person to person. Gun chat? Maybe? Maybe not.

What is your “Weaponofchoice” for Z-Day? Can you stay on thread?

[zombieslayr]

ha ha ha you know me to well 8mm

In the next year or so a .308 M1A1 might work its way into my weapon of choice. Only another 800 to go...

[Faran Brigo]

The last two pages of posts dealt with the price of the USP, the quality of Kel Techs, and a little discussion about machetes (3 posts). I didn't even see the words "ghoul" or "zombie" or any sort of reference to the undead on page 6 (outside from names and sigs).

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/announcement.php?f=14

I know they're no longer valid, since this isn't US&D, but I happen to think they're mostly good rules of thumb.

[Zombiekilla55]

The last two pages of posts dealt with the price of the USP, the quality of Kel Techs, and a little discussion about machetes (3 posts). I didn't even see the words "ghoul" or "zombie" or any sort of reference to the undead on page 6 (outside from names and sigs).

http://www.allthingszombie.com/forums/announcement.php?f=14

I know they're no longer valid, since this isn't US&D, but I happen to think they're mostly good rules of thumb.

THANK you! :x

[Corpse Grinder]

Well, in case of an outbreak (zombie or viral plague that turns you into a zombish stage) (zombish?), it would depend on where I happen to be:

WORK - The only lethal item that would be appropriate is taking the blade arm off of the paper cutter (like in The Faculty, but not as easy) and sharpening it on the grinder (yay! I actually have a grinder!). I would also take a claw hammer and I always carry my Benchmade pocket knife.

CAR - Tire iron and my trusty knife.

Home - PR-24 (police/security guard baton), baseball bats, 2 old swords, knives, crowbar. My wife doesn't allow firearms in her house (yes, HER house before we met) because she almost shot an ex-boyfriend once (why did I get married? Probably for zombie bait).

MY MOM's HOUSE - My Mossberg .22 bolt action rifle, Mossberg shotgun and Ruger P89 9mm. But I have no ammo since my last shootin' trip, so I better use my dad's sword or spade shovel or even the machete that's sitting out on the patio...hmmm...

It's a long list of choices, but I gotta be prepared (so I better buy more ammo quick!) because you never know where you'll be in case of Z-Day (movie theater, restaurant, the beach, on the toilet) so you gotta find something, anything...!

[8mmUltra]

Faran Brigo & Zombiekilla55

I must be missing something. When have you posted anything on this thread about “Weaponofchoice”? You two come on this thread and pass judgment/criticism on what you read, however, you do not follow the same rules you want everyone else to follow.

Let’s just look at this forum, “Can't find a forum that fits your zombie-related topic? Post it here!” This is what the users of the forum/thread have done. “Weaponofchoce” during a ZOMBIE outbreak (and clarity about that weapon) is exactly what is happening here.

A moderator has reviewed this thread (Weaponofchoice) and said, “OK, we all know this a US&D thread... However, I'll allow just this ONE to remain up for the time being.” The moderator (bad zombie night) was very kind to leave this thread open. If the moderator does not have a problem with this thread why do you? If you do not like the thread or the subject being discussed don’t get involved.

I have asked this before, for what ever reason your selective reading or your hater attitude will not allow you to answer. So, here it is again, “What is your “Weaponofchoice” for Z-Day? Can you stay on thread?

[WWZD]

Clearly, the Winchester Lady Defender 12 gauge, so long as ammo is available, or ammo making materials. Then again, the ol' Machete at the Ready doesn't run out of ammo. Also, the laws of physics still apply to zombies. If you disable a lever mechanism (arms, legs, Achilles tendons), the lever will not work. So despite what Faran says about Claymore mines being a waste of resources, we'll employ them to bring the shamblors down, then take our time picking them off.

[8mmUltra]

WWZD,
I have never been a fan of shotguns for “Z” Day. The ammunition is too heavy, range is limited, and the capacity of most shotguns is too low. However, there are worse choices than a shotgun. I did love your statement, “disable a lever mechanism (arms, legs, Achilles tendons)”; this is a point of view that has NOT been clearly voiced. “Claymore” weapon of choice for ZOMBIE CROWD CONTROL. This too was reasoned well, “then take our time picking them off”. NICE ! ! ! :clap:

[detpat]

even though i am well trained and very skilled with swords and other edged weapons, i would still always choose a firearm ovder and sort of melee weapon.

if that's not a choice, then i would probably go with a sterling style highland basket hilt sword or maybe a spear. katana's are relatively delicate and genuine ones are valuable, so probably aren't laying about. replica's are usually pretty shitty and i wouldn't want to bet my life on one.

imho stealth would be your primary survival device and i would not choose to engage in combat with the zeds uness i had no other choice whatesoever. having been a soldier and later a LEO, i know how easy it is to be injured in a dustup, and how quickly even a small injury can screw you in a true survival situation.

pat

[LittleLebowski]

My FN FAL or my AK. Sidearm would be one of my 1911s or my Glock 19 or both.

[LittleLebowski]

That USP is way underpriced at $400. They usually run around $750 or so. Not my favorite caliber or weapon but it's a fine weapon all the same. Grab it.

[zombieslayr]

Take your AK for sure and disassemble your FN FAL and throw it in your back pack. The FN FAL is LONG (longer than the M1A1) and it weighs 13 or so pounds. Having it slung around your shoulder would just slow you down. In your backpack would be the place for it. For a good Z-Day .308 the M1A which is longer or the SOCOM which is shorter. Both are top quality weapons and are relatively light for a .308. When you are moving you want the lightest guns possible my 2 carry rifles are a Stevens 200 Bolt Action (6 pounds and 36 inches) and a Ruger 10/22 (4 pounds 28 inches). The ammo for both is very light as are the guns them selves. Go with the AK for primary rifle

[Max Brooks]

Hmm, weap of choice? Probably an M-1 Carbine (Yes they are still in production)

The semi-auto function makes the user take aim, also there really is no possibility of just going full auto in a panic and wasting your ammo, which means death.

[Zombiekilla55]

Faran Brigo & Zombiekilla55

I must be missing something. When have you posted anything on this thread about “Weaponofchoice”? You two come on this thread and pass judgment/criticism on what you read, however, you do not follow the same rules you want everyone else to follow.

Let’s just look at this forum, “Can't find a forum that fits your zombie-related topic? Post it here!” This is what the users of the forum/thread have done. “Weaponofchoce” during a ZOMBIE outbreak (and clarity about that weapon) is exactly what is happening here.

A moderator has reviewed this thread (Weaponofchoice) and said, “OK, we all know this a US&D thread... However, I'll allow just this ONE to remain up for the time being.” The moderator (bad zombie night) was very kind to leave this thread open. If the moderator does not have a problem with this thread why do you? If you do not like the thread or the subject being discussed don’t get involved.

I have asked this before, for what ever reason your selective reading or your hater attitude will not allow you to answer. So, here it is again, “What is your “Weaponofchoice” for Z-Day? Can you stay on thread?
Actually yeah my first post was related to the topic. I believe I said "I would used a samurai sword, those have to be really sharp =D!)

[zombieslayr]

You would be dead in half an hour. Guns don't get tired.

[Max Brooks]

You would be dead in half an hour. Guns don't get tired.

Not always, you should never try and escape from a zombie infestation without some sort of hand-to-hand weapon.

I use a trench spike. It's an 7-8 inch long steel spike with a brass knuckle handle. It was developed during the brutal trench warfare, and was designed to stab downward, through a enemy's steel helmet. You can imagine how effective that would be against zombies.

[zombieslayr]

You took that straight out of the zombie survival guide word for word.

It's an 7-8 inch long steel spike with a brass knuckle handle. It was developed during the brutal trench warfare, and was designed to stab downward, through a enemy's steel helmet.

Im not saying dont have a mele weapon. Im saying it shouldn't be your primary weapon. Good luck finding a good trench spike 95% of the ones made now are replicas, almost no one makes them any more so good luck finding one. My mele weapon is a black steel machette and a black steel Ka-Bar knife that I can wear around my leg.

[8mmUltra]

If we are talking melee “weaponofchoice” I would have to go with the two that I carry,
1. Coldsteel Tomahawk
2. Titanium Crow Bar-27 inch
I have a larger Crow Bar (48”) it is just a little too large to carry as a “primary” weapon; I would rather have a “GUN”.

The two that I carry have more uses than “anti-zombie”. Every weapon or tool should have multiple functions or purposes.

As far as “Max Brooks”, GR8 name but I think your survival guide has a lot of inaccuracies. PM me we can talk.

[zombieslayr]

tomahawk... now there is a thought. Maybe Ill check out Smokey Mountain and pick up a tomahawk or at least a coldsteel hatchet.

Thats not the real Max Brooks is it?

[Max Brooks]

You took that straight out of the zombie survival guide word for word


Survival guide? What are you talking about?

And max brooks is one of my favorite zombie authors, i read his 'World War Z' Book and loved it.

But seriously, I've never heard of a zombie survival guide...:-(

[8mmUltra]

You took that straight out of the zombie survival guide word for word


Survival guide? What are you talking about?

And max brooks is one of my favorite zombie authors, i read his 'World War Z' Book and loved it.

But seriously, I've never heard of a zombie survival guide...:-(

MAX, MAx, Max, you have never heard of the "Zombie Survival Guide" and you claim Max Brooks is one of your favorite zombie authors? :loon: Stay on thread.

Zslayr, I have several cold steel hawks and a few that I use at "Rendezvous" they are GR8 tools and melee weapons.

[Max Brooks]

(Seriously, I've never heard of his survival book.)

Moving on...

I saw some people ripping on shotguns.

Wouldn't they be useful if you were traveling in a group?

I mean, if you were running down a street and for some reason, you see a bunch of zombies come shambling around the corner, wouldn't a shotgun just send the sprawling?

[8mmUltra]

I don’t remember anyone “ripping on Shotguns”. I have stated, I do not like the weight of the ammunition, the low capacity of the weapon, and the limited range. I have never said I would be without a shotgun. 12 ga. #4 buck sends 27 .22 caliber downrange and that is not a bad deal.

“zombies come shambling around the corner, wouldn't a shotgun just send the sprawling?” … NO, the undead do not sprawl from fear of a shotgun, they have no fear, and anything less than a brain shot has little to no result on a ghoul. There is a second problem with a shotgun, if you are too close the shot will NOT spread out enough and too far shot will spread out too much. Not your best weaponofchoice.

[detpat]

actually my last fal was a carbine which was more reliable than my M1A [not m1a1 which is a tank] and much more ergonomic. be nice or vera will get you.

i am very fond of my ak's but i think i would probably take my ar set up as an mforgery. it's very reliable and accurate.

although i am very fond of my shotguns, i would have to pass on zed day as they have the drawbacks already mentioned by another worthy.

as for the spike thing, it wasn't really designed to swing downward and penetrate helmets, that's a very old myth. and while brooks's books are very entertaining, his survival and weapon info are sorely lacking. please don't try to apply any of it in the real world without testing it yourselves.
pat

[Darkness]

"My weapon of choice would be a good sturdy blade/sword, a Morning Star Mace and/or a sturdy crossbow with exploding bolts."

"If I found a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, if I had the ammo. But as mentioned before, although guns are a good weapon to have, one can't always guarantee having enough ammo to do the job. A melee weapon doesn't run out of bullets."

"If I DID chose to carry a gun, I'd look for the one with the most easily accessible/acquirable/re-loadable ammo. Probably some kind of 9mm, as I know those bullets are pretty easy to get/make." :think:

[zombieslayr]

"My weapon of choice would be a good sturdy blade/sword, a Morning Star Mace and/or a sturdy crossbow with exploding bolts."

"If I found a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, if I had the ammo. But as mentioned before, although guns are a good weapon to have, one can't always guarantee having enough ammo to do the job. A melee weapon doesn't run out of bullets."

"If I DID chose to carry a gun, I'd look for the one with the most easily accessible/acquirable/re-loadable ammo. Probably some kind of 9mm, as I know those bullets are pretty easy to get/make." :think:

You need to study up. Unless you have been trained with morning stars or Mace's you are going to find them difficult to use and heavy. Now imagine that while being surrounded by zombies. Plus unless you have trained regularly and are in top shape, you are going to wear quite quickly using a sword. Need proof? Get a base ball bat put a weight dough nut on it and swing as hard as you can (thats roughly the amount of force it takes to sever a limb or head) over and over again and see how quickly you get tired.

Cross bows are good silent sniper weapons but as a primary weapon.... I dont think so. For one it takes a good deal of effort to reload one. Now again, imagine your self doing this as you become surrounded by zombies, you heart is pounding and the adrenaline is rushing. Also ammo you could carry would be limited as well because cross bow bolts as light as they are, take up more space than shot gun shells.

Guns are lighter, have higher capacity. Ammo is very easy to find. They are very accurate and a head shot is almost a guaranteed kill. Take rifles, they have a very long range and a lot of stopping power. True they make noise and unless you have been trained to shoot and have become a good shot, a gun would most likely be as useless as a grape if you cant hit shit. So guns have their Cons to but they are still more usefull in zombie combat. Now I know 8mm is going to add something or correct me on something (like a father ROFL) but thats my :2cents:

[Jimmy]

Clearly, the Winchester Lady Defender 12 gauge, so long as ammo is available, or ammo making materials. Then again, the ol' Machete at the Ready doesn't run out of ammo. Also, the laws of physics still apply to zombies. If you disable a lever mechanism (arms, legs, Achilles tendons), the lever will not work. So despite what Faran says about Claymore mines being a waste of resources, we'll employ them to bring the shamblors down, then take our time picking them off.


I like the way you think. 8)

[Darkness]

You need to study up. Unless you have been trained with morning stars or Mace's you are going to find them difficult to use and heavy. Now imagine that while being surrounded by zombies. Plus unless you have trained regularly and are in top shape, you are going to wear quite quickly using a sword. Need proof? Get a base ball bat put a weight dough nut on it and swing as hard as you can (thats roughly the amount of force it takes to sever a limb or head) over and over again and see how quickly you get tired.
"Don't underestimate me just because I'm female, sweetie." ;-)

"I am trained in old century melee weapons better than I am trained in firearms. I have been collecting them, and playing with them, for many years now. I also swing a mean hammer and/or sledgehammer." :)

Cross bows are good silent sniper weapons but as a primary weapon.... I dont think so. For one it takes a good deal of effort to reload one. Now again, imagine your self doing this as you become surrounded by zombies, you heart is pounding and the adrenaline is rushing. Also ammo you could carry would be limited as well because cross bow bolts as light as they are, take up more space than shot gun shells.
"Now days they do make pistol-grip Crossbows that use a form of clip action to re-load quickly."


Guns are lighter, have higher capacity. Ammo is very easy to find. They are very accurate and a head shot is almost a guaranteed kill. Take rifles, they have a very long range and a lot of stopping power. True they make noise and unless you have been trained to shoot and have become a good shot, a gun would most likely be as useless as a grape if you cant hit shit. So guns have their Cons to but they are still more usefull in zombie combat. Now I know 8mm is going to add something or correct me on something (like a father ROFL) but thats my :2cents:
"I would use and carry a gun, if I had one, I have owned and carried one in real life before. I do know how to use one, but I wouldn't rely entirely on just a gun. Bullets run out, you can't deny that. And finding more won't always be easy. Your main weapon should be something you can rely on no matter if there are bullets or not. Guns are a better weapon, when primed and loaded. But you won't always have the time to reload, and you won't always have bullets. Keep the gun, sure, (And make sure it's a light, hard hitting one, that uses ammo that's easy to acquire/make.) but have a melee weapon handy at all times. You WILL need it, whither you believe it right now or not." :)

[zombieslayr]

Ive got a coldsteel Machette and a KaBar knife I wear around my leg. As for ammo I can carry and run with 2500 rounds of .22 1500 of ,223 and around 1000 of .9mm. Ive been shooting for around 9 years, and I can hit moving targets at 40 feet with a hand gun and Im highly accurate with my .223 bolt action up to 200 yards and I can hit up to 100 yards with my .22. I run regularly with a weighted back pack pack. Keep the Machette and KA-Bar sharpened. Im into survival a lot now so I could hold out for a while with what I carry in my back pack.

Again with heavy weapons such as sledge hammers and maces, if you miss you have to recover from the blow before you can strike again. Recovery time means time you are defenceless and time for a zombie to land a bite. Picture this a zombie is coming at you, you swing your morning star at its head with a side ways motion. You miss the zombie and it the weight of the blow throws you off center which impeeds your ability to defend and moves your eyes off the zed. Now that your arms are off to the side the zombie has a whole open front to attack while you are recovering and bringing the mace back.

Mele weapons are great incase you run out of ammo, as a primary. No thanks. As for cross bows Im playing the cumbersome ammo card again.

[Darkness]

"Melee weapons are designed for group melee fighting, not always one on one. If I miss the zombie in front of me with the morning star, it will just take out the few standing beside him. Morning stars aren't really for one on one combat, although they have been used as such. They are designed to be used in a berserker fashion. Swinging it around, hitting everything near."

"One on One is when I bring out the big swords and the hunting blades."

[nirvroxx]

I have a small hatchet I would definetly strap around my waist if TSHTF, I also have a medim length (20inches) stainless steel blade I aquired a couple of years ago, that I would also sling over my shoulder, but those would only be as a secondary option...i'd always carry around some type of firearm...my primary would probably be my marlin 795 22lr rifle...its super light and 22lr ammo is super light and very plentiful as well...my secondary firearm would be some sort of 9mm semi-auto handgun, as the ammo is also very plentiful and light...not sure on the type of handgun though. from what Ive heard glocks are the most reiable out there....I recently bought a S&W sigma 40, but I wouldnt chose it as my secondary weapon...well, any .40 for that matter, I found the recoil was too high and that would derease my time for a follow up shot if needed.

[zombieslayr]

Thats interesting. Get a heavier recoil spring for the 40 and get the barrel compensated. Recoil will no longer be an issue.

What if you hit a zed and penetrate deep with one of the spikes? You have to pull it out which again causes delay between attacks.

[Darkness]

"I have to ask you a question at this point. Have you ever actually fought with a Morning Star Mace?"

[zombieslayr]

Held and swung. To me heavy and a cumbersome pain in the ass.

[Darkness]

"But have you ever fought a melee round/battle with one?"

[zombieslayr]

No. Ive trained with my machette and Ka Bar though

[Darkness]

"I have, and I found it to be a total blast!" :)

[zombieslayr]

I go shooting once or twice a week and I find that to be a blast and it pays off.

This was my last time out. 100 yards, windy day using a 45 grain .223 Remington Q-load.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/atman_007/mytarget.jpg

I have to push my scope a bit to the right still. I almost have it perfect. The biggest group you see, in reality is only 1/8th of an inch off center

[Darkness]

"Nice tight cluster. Good job!" :clap:

"It reminds me of the targets I would pull up. My ex hated that I got better grouping than him. He would circle the bulls eye, I would almost remove it." :lol: ;-)

[zombieslayr]

I shot 20 rounds of 70 grain Hornady V-Max BTHP ammo and had a hole half of an inch across right through the bulls eye.

[Darkness]

"Way cool!!!" :clap:

"Wanna see my favorite blades, that I've collected so far?" :)

[zombieslayr]

sure. Ill show you my.233 too

This is it with out the scope.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/atman_007/Stevens_200.jpg

I have a black Bushnell 3x9x50 on my rifle.

[Faran Brigo]

Faran Brigo & Zombiekilla55

I must be missing something. When have you posted anything on this thread about “Weaponofchoice”? You two come on this thread and pass judgment/criticism on what you read, however, you do not follow the same rules you want everyone else to follow.

Let’s just look at this forum, “Can't find a forum that fits your zombie-related topic? Post it here!” This is what the users of the forum/thread have done. “Weaponofchoce” during a ZOMBIE outbreak (and clarity about that weapon) is exactly what is happening here.

A moderator has reviewed this thread (Weaponofchoice) and said, “OK, we all know this a US&D thread... However, I'll allow just this ONE to remain up for the time being.” The moderator (bad zombie night) was very kind to leave this thread open. If the moderator does not have a problem with this thread why do you? If you do not like the thread or the subject being discussed don’t get involved.

I have asked this before, for what ever reason your selective reading or your hater attitude will not allow you to answer. So, here it is again, “What is your “Weaponofchoice” for Z-Day? Can you stay on thread?

He said Katana, we had a lenghty discussion about hydrostatic shock and carrying .22 vs 9mm. If you think voicing concerns and opinions is "hater attitude", that's your prerrogative, but at least from my end that wasn't my original intention.

IMHO, nobody's passing judgement on anything, we merely said we thought this was turning into "this gun vs. this gun" as opposed to "this weapon vs zombies". If you disagree, that's fine, you don't have to make it personal.

Claymore (mines): A claymore weights around 3.5 lbs (1.5-ish kg???) and unless placed at head height, it won't kill a single ghoul. A single mine won't cut it for crowd control either. I think it's a waste, you'd be better off carrying an automatic Calico M100 in .22 and firing at the crowd head height. Or carrying a 9mm model and spraying their knees.

Now, I know Max Brooks isn't an authority but remember Yonkers, in a tightly packed crowd the zombies outside might shield the ones inside from fragments. Not that claymores aren't useful for say, giving you a place to sleep in (relative) calm if you have no better way of securing a camp, I just think given a choice between more rounds and claymores, I'd go with the rounds. Anyone correct me if I'm mistaken but if facing a crowd of zombies wouldn't the sensible plan be to look for a place they can't reach and pick them off one by one from that safe location? If there isn't one, I'd rather try to escape and engage on my own terms later.

Anybody knows if the medieval weapons in museums are replicas or the real thing? if the latter I guess one of those might be worth raiding. You know, for falchions and maces.

BTW, I remember watching some game or movie where they used a modified combine harvester to kill zombies. How feasible would that be?

[zombieslayr]

The idea of a claymore is not to kill the ghoul, its to take out the legs. Disableling many and slowing them down as well. Would you rather deal with 50 walking ghouls or 50 crawling ghouls

[Darkness]

"Looks nice!" :)

"Here's my favorite blades......"

http://loonybin.badsyntax.net/ATZ/toys.jpg

"They are for use in a 'Riddick', or 'Filipino' style martial arts fighting. Two handed." :)


BTW, I remember watching some game or movie where they used a modified combine harvester to kill zombies. How feasible would that be?"Interesting idea." :think:

[zombieslayr]

not bad. But they look more like decoration than something used to kill a person

[detpat]

so you like the persian influence. does that carry over to other decorative motif's of just the blades? matching sets of weapons and implements is a thing that i enjoy, in the renaissance it was referred to as a garniture. my favorites are a pair of factory stock colts [combat commander and detective special] with ivory stocks and a set of smith revolvers in stainless and elk stocks and matching knives. all of these would be very effective for zed defense as they are accurate and controllable.

pat

[Faran Brigo]

zombieslayr: I realize that, and frankly I'd rather deal with the ones walking, I think getting a headshot into "prone" zombies would be harder, plus a whole crowd of zombies now laying on the floor, some dead and some just disabled, sounds like a minefield of their own.

Besides, think about it. If you run into a crowd of say, 30-50 zombies (which is not that many, I think there'd be more), the way I see it:

If you have the time and/or distance to set up claymores, doesn't that mean you can pick off the ghouls at leisure? If they're so close you can't do that, chances are the claymores will be useless or am I mistaken?

aren't claymores so loud you'll bring more zombies at you than the ones you take out? although that might be what you want in some circumstances.

finally if you carry enough claymores to take care of a big crowd, could you also carry enough ammunition to dispatch the crawlers? or do you plan to walk around the crawlers busting skulls with a melee weapon?

Darkness: I'm impressed, that's an awesome collection of knives you got there. Are they functional?

[detpat]

so darkness, which group do you do your melee training with, are you involved in your local sca chapter or one of the others?
pat

[Darkness]

not bad. But they look more like decoration than something used to kill a person
Darkness: I'm impressed, that's an awesome collection of knives you got there. Are they functional?

"They aren't 'decorative' and have a good, sharp, sturdy blade and a self sharpening sheath. The big ones are almost two feet long total." :)

so darkness, which group do you do your melee training with, are you involved in your local sca chapter or one of the others?
pat
"SCA, Local Weapons Blacksmiths, Stage Combat, Living History Center and just a strong love of a good sharp blade." :)

[zombieslayr]

they are awesome knives though darkness you have quite a collection!

[8mmUltra]

Faran Brigo, I remember our conversation very well, you had good point and some bad ones too. I my point was, the thread was full of people talking about other “weaponsofchoce” besides guns. Once someone starts crying, “this is a gun chat forum” well chat about your “weaponofchoice” or move to another thread. To be fare, guns are the kind of subject that can go on for days and days because there are so many different types, calibers, and functions. This forum was blessed by, “bad zombie night”, so stay on thread.

“If you think voicing concerns and opinions is "hater attitude", that's your prerrogative,” What I thought was, You posted on this thread and pass judgment/criticism on what you read, however, you do not follow the same rules you want everyone else to follow. Why was that? All I asked, was it “selective reading or your hater attitude”? You chose the hater attitude, not me.

Back to the thread, “Claymore (mines): A claymore weights around 3.5 lbs (1.5-ish kg???) and unless placed at head height, it won't kill a single ghoul.” I have fired more “CLAYMORES” than you have ever seen. This is not an attack on you; it is a fact of life. “Aim a Claymore” I laughed so hard my wife called 911. Claymores are a directional weapon, this I true. AIM? NO! Yes, I know all about how they teach “Cherries” to use the weapon but it is a “Front Toward Enemy” directional weapon. I provided a hyperlink! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M18A1_Claymore_Antipersonnel_Mine

[8mmUltra]

"My weapon of choice would be a good sturdy blade/sword, a Morning Star Mace and/or a sturdy crossbow with exploding bolts."

"If I found a gun, I wouldn't hesitate to use it, if I had the ammo. But as mentioned before, although guns are a good weapon to have, one can't always guarantee having enough ammo to do the job. A melee weapon doesn't run out of bullets."

"If I DID chose to carry a gun, I'd look for the one with the most easily accessible/acquirable/re-loadable ammo. Probably some kind of 9mm, as I know those bullets are pretty easy to get/make." :think:

I Bow To Your Darkness.... :hug:

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

a whole crowd of zombies now laying on the floor, some dead and some just disabled, sounds like a minefield of their own.

Bingo! A prone zombie you think is dead is a helluva lot more dangerous than a walking one you know isn't!

[8mmUltra]

Ive got a coldsteel Machette and a KaBar knife I wear around my leg. As for ammo I can carry and run with 2500 rounds of .22 1500 of ,223 and around 1000 of .9mm. Ive been shooting for around 9 years, and I can hit moving targets at 40 feet with a hand gun and Im highly accurate with my .223 bolt action up to 200 yards and I can hit up to 100 yards with my .22. I run regularly with a weighted back pack pack. Keep the Machette and KA-Bar sharpened. Im into survival a lot now so I could hold out for a while with what I carry in my back pack.

Again with heavy weapons such as sledge hammers and maces, if you miss you have to recover from the blow before you can strike again. Recovery time means time you are defenceless and time for a zombie to land a bite. Picture this a zombie is coming at you, you swing your morning star at its head with a side ways motion. You miss the zombie and it the weight of the blow throws you off center which impeeds your ability to defend and moves your eyes off the zed. Now that your arms are off to the side the zombie has a whole open front to attack while you are recovering and bringing the mace back.

Mele weapons are great incase you run out of ammo, as a primary. No thanks. As for cross bows Im playing the cumbersome ammo card again.

Sound thinking "ZSlayr"

[8mmUltra]

:guns: Bingo! A prone zombie you think is dead is a helluva lot more dangerous than a walking one you know isn't!

Three in the head and they stay dead. :guns:

[Darkness]

*Darkness pounce/huggle/snuggles 8mmUltra* :hug:

[8mmUltra]

"I have, and I found it to be a total blast!" :)

It does sound fun. Where to you do this at. Club, Org., or a reenactment?

[8mmUltra]

I go shooting once or twice a week and I find that to be a blast and it pays off.

This was my last time out. 100 yards, windy day using a 45 grain .223 Remington Q-load.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/atman_007/mytarget.jpg

I have to push my scope a bit to the right still. I almost have it perfect. The biggest group you see, in reality is only 1/8th of an inch off center

Nice SHOOTING with your "weaponofchoice"!

[Faran Brigo]

"I have asked this before, for what ever reason your selective reading or your hater attitude will not allow you to answer."

This, by any means, is not a question, it's an assumption that either we're dodging your question or we're just "haters", neither of which is true and both of which are patronizing.

Speaking of patronizing, I, along with anyone who's ever seen them and the "front towards enemy" message know it's a directional weapon. I never said "aim" either, but it sounds like an accurate description of the act of placing the mine in such a position that the blast will sweep a predetermined height/direction. I got no idea what a "cherry" is. What I do know is that the claymore like any other mine was designed to deny an area or approach to a live enemy, and to incapacitate and injure him/her, not to kill them instantly and much less to destroy brains.

By the way "Three in the head and they stay dead." So waste 2 rounds per zombie and a claymore for every bunch you disable?

[Darkness]

It does sound fun. Where to you do this at. Club, Org., or a reenactment?

"Open Melee Battles at SCA Events."

"The particular time I was thinking about, though, was when a black smith was testing some armor metal and we got to beat on a few guys in armor, with what ever weapon we could wield. To see how much of a beating it would take." :lol:

"I have also just jumped into the open melees and had fun." :)

[8mmUltra]

"I have asked this before, for what ever reason your selective reading or your hater attitude will not allow you to answer."

This, by any means, is not a question, it's an assumption that either we're dodging your question or we're just "haters", neither of which is true and both of which are patronizing.

Speaking of patronizing, I, along with anyone who's ever seen them and the "front towards enemy" message know it's a directional weapon. I never said "aim" either, but it sounds like an accurate description of the act of placing the mine in such a position that the blast will sweep a predetermined height/direction. I got no idea what a "cherry" is.

“Speaking of patronizing,” Yes I was.

“blast will sweep a predetermined height/direction” Well, kind of true. There is a hell of a lot more to a claymore and it would take me hours to explain and only “Seconds” to set up and fire at a crowd of “Ghouls”. Here come the “patronizing” part, any one who has ever used a claymore in combat would know this.

[zombieslayr]

any one who has ever used a claymore in combat would know this.

You are probably the only one of us 8mm. :) Fortunately though you are here so your experiences benefit us all! I cant tell you how much I have learned from 8mm and for that I thank you :clap:

[Darkness]

"I second that, zombieslayr." :clap:

[zombieslayr]

no hug for z slayer??? rofl

[Faran Brigo]

Yeah, the thing is I never said directing and placing the mine was all there was to it, in fact I said it would take awhile to set a claymore up. It's great that you've actually used them, so tell me, what more is there to it than the info that comes in FM 23-23? Can you set it up faster than you can dispatch a bunch of stragglers? is it really worth it to carry a 1.5kg mine, plus rounds to finish off the crawlers as opposed to just the rounds?

[8mmUltra]

FM = Field Manual. I can setup the claymore with an M-60 fuse igniter, some time fuse, and a blasting cap. “Can you set it up faster than you can dispatch a bunch of stragglers?” Yes, I can. The length of fuse determines my getaway time (Readers Digest version). “is it really worth it to carry a 1.5kg mine, plus rounds to finish off the crawlers as opposed to just the rounds?” No, I never said a claymore was my “weaponofchoice”, I said it was an interesting idea and could be used for crowd control of Ghouls.

P.S. There are things in a manual and then there is real life.

[zombieslayr]

Like 8mm said there is a difference between what you read and personal experience. Claymores would be an interesting idea but you would be very lucky if you found one to use in the first place. You could almost make a make shift claymore if you took a gas can filled it up a bit and shake it up until the gas vaporizes. Tape or glue some nails to it then set a fuse and run like hell. Sounds practical but I have my doubts about it