what they should have done

[3xmortis]

I recently watched the dawn of the dead remake, and i was amazed at the stupidity of the characters in the movie :drool: like, they were in a giant mall, full of supplies, eg. weapons, food, clothing, etc. and they still manage to **** it up...instead of focusing on escaping and sailing to an island which may have not even existed, they should have moved all their supplies from the first floor of the mall up 2 the second floor, and blown out the escaltors, stairs, and elevators dat go 2 the second floor. dat way if the zombies did get in, all the survivors wud have been safe ne ways......and as for andy, they shud have taken one of their armored buses and picked him and his gun collection/ammo up and taken him bak to the mall.....dat way, they save andy, expand thier weapon supplies, and stay alive....rather than lose some of the survivors driving to the harbor, starving half to death on a small boat, then being eaten alive on a what appeared to be deserted island....i mean, did ne 1 else think of ne thing lyk dat?

[BarnabusBlackoak]

Yeah, they had enough stuff to last until the dead rotted to the point they'ld fall apart. Then go outside if they have to. And if Andy had communicated he was running low on food a few days ealier, they might could have gone with the armored shuttle idea to go and rescue him.

[3xmortis]

yeah:) im glad sum1 agrees wid me:) they needed ppls like us there lol

[Diablo]

Also when that idiot went to get her dog, I was like leave the bitch, but no the idiots go and safe her and lose a guy. Also that allowed the zombies into the mall which forced them to leave. Those guys were idiots.

[3xmortis]

and they killed the head of security guy.....him and the cop were the most awsum characters.....:x

[Twistedlink]

I totally agree with u guys... but u have to remember its a movie and it has to have a beginning middle and end ... even thought the end was pretty bad

[Zombie_215]

If they did everything right in the movie, than it would be even worse for us. We wouldn't be able to make a thread like this to discuss how they people in the movie did stuff wrong! It is a giant vicious circle... :doh:

[The Phantom]

I totally agree with u guys... but u have to remember its a movie and it has to have a beginning middle and end ... even thought the end was pretty bad
It coudl have been a happy ending. Bad movie. The only thing I liked were zombies. Everything else sucked ass.

[buttlock]

dude, why didn't they just wait for homeland security to save them?

oh right, homeland security aint good for jack sh##

[Private Snowball]

I agree that this movie was full of bad ideas, but as was said already, it needed to be concluded. My idea for rescuing Andy would be to make a potato gun and shoot food to him, or a rope that could act as a line between the mall and gun store. Maybe unrealistic but im still thinking.

[lavel]

I recently watched the dawn of the dead remake, and i was amazed at the stupidity of the characters in the movie :drool: like, they were in a giant mall, full of supplies, eg. weapons, food, clothing, etc. and they still manage to **** it up...instead of focusing on escaping and sailing to an island which may have not even existed, they should have moved all their supplies from the first floor of the mall up 2 the second floor, and blown out the escaltors, stairs, and elevators dat go 2 the second floor. dat way if the zombies did get in, all the survivors wud have been safe ne ways......and as for andy, they shud have taken one of their armored buses and picked him and his gun collection/ammo up and taken him bak to the mall.....dat way, they save andy, expand thier weapon supplies, and stay alive....rather than lose some of the survivors driving to the harbor, starving half to death on a small boat, then being eaten alive on a what appeared to be deserted island....i mean, did ne 1 else think of ne thing lyk dat?

Well the movie has to end right? It would be wonderful if it was a series but...anyway. Those are great ideas for a... series. It takes so much for a movie to be made and make all those points.:x

But I really like your ideas for the blasting away the exits. Keeping out the zombies from coming in. Good.:clap:

[lavel]

If they did everything right in the movie, than it would be even worse for us. We wouldn't be able to make a thread like this to discuss how they people in the movie did stuff wrong! It is a giant vicious circle... :doh:

No. We would talk about all the great things they did and try to copy them in making even greater movies than that.:)

[Diablo]

The thing that lead to their downfall was going after the idiot who took the truck to go get a dog:lol: , and the idiots actually went and got her which got a guy killed and let the zombies into the mall:clap: . Man they failed

[Corpse Grinder]

How about this:
Why would Andy even have a doggie door at his gun shop in the first place?

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

How about this:
Why would Andy even have a doggie door at his gun shop in the first place?

That wasn't a doggie door. Doggie doors swing open. The door in his gunshop slid up. I couldn't tell you why it was there though.:think:

[lavel]

That wasn't a doggie door. Doggie doors swing open. The door in his gunshop slid up. I couldn't tell you why it was there though.:think:

That's really something to think about?:think:

[3xmortis]

well least we know that if we were in that same situation, we would kick arse lol :drinking:

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

That's really something to think about?:think:

Chalk it up to plot device.

[lavel]

Chalk it up to plot device.

Yeah, whatever.:roll:

[Corpse Grinder]

That wasn't a doggie door. Doggie doors swing open. The door in his gunshop slid up. I couldn't tell you why it was there though.:think:

Well, when I open up a gunshop, I'll make sure I attach a sliding door on my front door. Because since most people don't believe there will be a zombie uprising, I don't have to worry about the living, breathing, law-abiding citizens of my city.

[Victor Clark]

The plan to have the dog give Andy food was the smartest scenario if you look at the alternatives. The mall was pretty small, so I doubt they would have a hobby shop inside that sold remote controlled planes or helicopters (let alone those that can hold more than a sandwich without falling into the zombie crowd). If a cannon or catapult was made, being able to get it across the parking lot and to Andy would take a lot of hard work and error, meaning that they would've had to have wasted at least one article of food in a test shot. The only problem with the dog plan was letting him in an open area in front of hundreds of the undead. The dog did have that backpack, so Andy could've gotten the strengh to pick up the dog with a rope from the roof if he knew food was in it. Overall, I would just write to Andy to get a hooked rope and wait for the dog.


And for the use of the door, maybe he was in an illegal gun smuggling ring before the outbreak, and used the door to exchange things without causing much attention. Who knows?

[Corpse Grinder]

And for the use of the door, maybe he was in an illegal gun smuggling ring before the outbreak, and used the door to exchange things without causing much attention. Who knows?

In the front?
Maybe it was a chick magnet. He used it to lure runaway dogs so that their cute female owners would come looking for them! Obviously, even a zombie outbreak won't stop girls from getting their dogs back. Oh-that Andy!

[Victor Clark]

In the front?
Maybe it was a chick magnet. He used it to lure runaway dogs so that their cute female owners would come looking for them! Obviously, even a zombie outbreak won't stop girls from getting their dogs back. Oh-that Andy!

That would explain how he got divorced in the extras!:lol:

[Corpse Grinder]

That would explain how he got divorced in the extras!:lol:

LOL

Okay, now I now that the survivors were probably shaken up when all hell broke loose & probably had to quickly flee, and we know that Ana barely got out of her house alive, so how come no one had a cell phone? Not one fecking person had a cell phone!!! Kenneth didn't even have one of those radio thingy attached to his chest that other cops have, or even a walkie-talkie. The security guards didn't have any walkie-talkies; the command center should have a phone, or even a computer so they can go on the web to see what's goin' on or to communicate with someone... anyone. How about payphones? :think:

Other than that (& Andy's sliding door), I really loved the film, actually, the unrated director's cut.

p.s. for you wonderful females out there-would you have gone after the dog?

[Diablo]

I hope no one in reality would actually go for the dog.

[Captain Hawk]

LOL

Okay, now I now that the survivors were probably shaken up when all hell broke loose & probably had to quickly flee, and we know that Ana barely got out of her house alive, so how come no one had a cell phone? Not one fecking person had a cell phone!!! Kenneth didn't even have one of those radio thingy attached to his chest that other cops have, or even a walkie-talkie. The security guards didn't have any walkie-talkies; the command center should have a phone, or even a computer so they can go on the web to see what's goin' on or to communicate with someone... anyone. How about payphones? :think:

Other than that (& Andy's sliding door), I really loved the film, actually, the unrated director's cut.

p.s. for you wonderful females out there-would you have gone after the dog?

They probably did have cell phones. But it would have been "all circuits are busy right now, please try again later" if there was even a signal at all. Like when Ana tried calling 911

[Captain Hawk]

This is a good thread, I have thought about this too. (usually when I'm stuck in traffic).

What about having CJ and company go down the sewers. Spring up out of the opening by Andy's gun shop. Throw a propane bomb. Flatten all the necro's for a minute or two. In this time Andy legs it out of his store and runs to the sewer opening. Drops down and they all get back safely?

[Twistedlink]

well ive been doing some research on the topic and... they have Hobbie stores drug stores department stores banks supermarkets all in the mall.... man wat they could have done is held out till the food was gone and then grow there own food on the roof.. man they were stupid:doh: :clap:

[Twistedlink]

Hell wait they even have a pet food store..... man did they have it made

[Darkness]

"They should have just shot a line of rope to Andy and used it to run baskets of food to him far over the Zombie's heads. A strong enough rope and they could have brought Andy and his guns to them. It's quite simple, really." :)

[Zombie333]

I know this might be a stupid question but why didn't the zombies Rip the dog to bits =S or even notice it.

Andy should have told them earlier that he was running out of food.They should have told Andy what they were doing so Andy could be ready to shoot any zombies that tried to get in then they could have figured out a safe way of getting Andy and dog and Andy's guns of course back to the mall. Why the girl went after the dog is beyond me.

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

I know this might be a stupid question but why didn't the zombies Rip the dog to bits =S or even notice it.

Andy should have told them earlier that he was running out of food.They should have told Andy what they were doing so Andy could be ready to shoot any zombies that tried to get in then they could have figured out a safe way of getting Andy and dog and Andy's guns of course back to the mall. Why the girl went after the dog is beyond me.


In the mall parking garage it was established that the zombies didn't attack non-humans because the dog was down there unharmed with several undead. They had made a plan with Andy. It was to send the dog. Remember they had Andy blow the whistle to get the dogs attention? The girl lost everyone in her life that she loved, and latched onto the dog in her grief. When she thought she was going to lose that too, she snapped.

[HEDSHOT45]

If a cannon or catapult was made, being able to get it across the parking lot and to Andy would take a lot of hard work and error, meaning that they would've had to have wasted at least one article of food in a test shot.


Potato Gun???

[3xmortis]

at the end of the movie when they all landed on the island.....i wud have stayed on the bloody boat n wen the zombies rushed out i wud have already pushed off the docks lol :evil: they wud have been left there :evil: i wud have made a great teammate in that situation lol :evil:

[lavel]

LOL

Okay, now I now that the survivors were probably shaken up when all hell broke loose & probably had to quickly flee, and we know that Ana barely got out of her house alive, so how come no one had a cell phone? Not one fecking person had a cell phone!!! Kenneth didn't even have one of those radio thingy attached to his chest that other cops have, or even a walkie-talkie. The security guards didn't have any walkie-talkies; the command center should have a phone, or even a computer so they can go on the web to see what's goin' on or to communicate with someone... anyone. How about payphones? :think:

Other than that (& Andy's sliding door), I really loved the film, actually, the unrated director's cut.

p.s. for you wonderful females out there-would you have gone after the dog?

Anybody who goes for that dog should be jumped kicked.:)

[Captain Hawk]

"They should have just shot a line of rope to Andy and used it to run baskets of food to him far over the Zombie's heads. A strong enough rope and they could have brought Andy and his guns to them. It's quite simple, really." :)

I thought about that too. But I don't think that would work. How are they going to shoot a heavy line of rope over a distance of at least 100 yds? (unless the Mall sells harpoon guns).

Plus the sheer weight of the line would make it sag over a distance. It would sag considerably more if it had a 180 lb man and several guns on it. You would need wire cable and a ratcheting system. (Hardware dept.? probably not)

I still think entering from the sewer is the best way.

[mattifikation]

I have yet to walk into a gun store that didn't also have bow and arrows. Andy could have shot a line to the people in the mall which they could have used to lower food down to him.

[Chaz McBane]

The should have used the big ass truck the tart went after the dog with to pick up Andy from the get go.

[Rocque]

I think Andy honestly deserves to die because he didn't go to the mall in the first place. I mean in the very beginning. If I owned a gun shop and I lived across from a mall and a sittuation like that was happening. I would bring all my guns to the mall. Its very logical. You have the wepons to fight the zombies. Now you need a fortress. And theirs food at the mall obviously. If the man didn't have enough common sense to go to the mall, its his own problem. Why risk lives of youre team for a liability like that no matter how useful he is?

[3xmortis]

well......he had guns and ammo.....they needed guns and ammo......it works out :lol:

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

I thought about that too. But I don't think that would work. How are they going to shoot a heavy line of rope over a distance of at least 100 yds? (unless the Mall sells harpoon guns).

Plus the sheer weight of the line would make it sag over a distance. It would sag considerably more if it had a 180 lb man and several guns on it. You would need wire cable and a ratcheting system. (Hardware dept.? probably not)

I still think entering from the sewer is the best way.

The best way to run a heavy line over a distance like that is to use a light line first. Shoot a spool of fishing line across the parking lot to Andy. Tie the end to the heavy rope, and let Andy use the fishing line to pull the rope across. I don't think they could have gotten anything across that distance, though. It was at least 200 yards.
If they could manage to do it, they wouldn't even need to keep the line off the ground for it to work. They could transfer food and weapons across the line simply by tying the stuff to the rope and moving it back and forth across the parking lot. If the zombies ignored the dog, they're not going to care about a rope.
The sewer could have worked even better if they had used it sooner. Just bring a package of food down through the sewer and sneek it up to the surface just outside the manhole when no zombies are looking. Let Andy use a fishing pole to hook onto it and reel it up to the roof. That would have kept him alive easily.

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

I think Andy honestly deserves to die because he didn't go to the mall in the first place. I mean in the very beginning. If I owned a gun shop and I lived across from a mall and a sittuation like that was happening. I would bring all my guns to the mall. Its very logical. You have the wepons to fight the zombies. Now you need a fortress. And theirs food at the mall obviously. If the man didn't have enough common sense to go to the mall, its his own problem. Why risk lives of youre team for a liability like that no matter how useful he is?

He probably thought, as anyone logically would, that the outbreak was just a case of civil unrest, and that staying in his shop protecting his property would be the best course of action. By the time the reality of what was happening set in it was too late to go anywhere.

[3xmortis]

actually come to think of it, if i was Andy, i would have of taken food supplies from the mall to the gunshop, rather than take weapon supplies from the gunshop to the mall......i mean an entire mall would be almost impossible to forify by your self (because andy was byhimself the whole time) n he seemed to be doen alrite in his gunshop ne ways until he ran out of food................but ne ways, like mentioned before, no one knew wat was actually going on at first, therefore no one was prepared......and remember, the entire US was pretty much gone in a day to the virus

[Captain Hawk]

The best way to run a heavy line over a distance like that is to use a light line first. Shoot a spool of fishing line across the parking lot to Andy. Tie the end to the heavy rope, and let Andy use the fishing line to pull the rope across. I don't think they could have gotten anything across that distance, though. It was at least 200 yards.
If they could manage to do it, they wouldn't even need to keep the line off the ground for it to work. They could transfer food and weapons across the line simply by tying the stuff to the rope and moving it back and forth across the parking lot. If the zombies ignored the dog, they're not going to care about a rope.
The sewer could have worked even better if they had used it sooner. Just bring a package of food down through the sewer and sneek it up to the surface just outside the manhole when no zombies are looking. Let Andy use a fishing pole to hook onto it and reel it up to the roof. That would have kept him alive easily.

I have to admit, that makes a lot of sense. I didn't think about doing it that way. best idea yet.

[Boozbie]

One thing is how they died they were off shore they ran out of gas but it was a sailboat in calm weather they at least could have gotten it moving by trial and error and why did they come ashore like that they should have as mentioned stayed about fifty feet out and checked to see if they saw any zombies or at least yell "ahoy there mateys any flesh eaters abound?"

but Andy was definetly in a pickle that was atleast 200 yards, at least, i like the idea of setting the basket outside the hole maybe attach a line to a arrow and then shoot it over andys shop so he could grab the line and pull up said bundle of food and they would never have to get more than there shoulders out of the manhole

or even better andy could have tossed a line near the manhole and they pop up for a second grab the line drop back down tie it to the package and throw it out into the street and andy pulls it up! sounds like the most hassle free and all that is needed is like 100 feet of line

[Barbara]

This is gonna sound harsh but its survial here people.

1. Stay in the mall.

2. Killed Nicole upon discovery that she was a waste of space.:evil:

3. The mall had a sports store, im sure they could of figured a way to send Andy some food through using a harpoon or rigging a pulley system. Acutally, using chips was an almost *good* idea....

4. Wouldnt any normal group of people find it obviously weird that Phiefers character was unusally weird about the others seeing his pregnant wife? Remeber, 5 guns are better than 1. Instinct people! Instinct! :x

5. Destoryed any way to the 2nd level of the mall so incase the xombies made their way in, the patrons would still be safe.


...then again, if everything worked out perfectly, it wouldnt be much of a movie would it?

[Boozbie]

im gonna expand on Barbaras idea here ok take the boat keys from the douchebag and kick his ass out onto the street and have him run in the opposite direction wouldnt draw all the zombies away but would solve the problem of that guy

after he left the door and almost got everyone killed i wouldnt even let him onto the bus and hed be lucky if he didnt get shot in the leg

[detpat]

skip all the complicated, silly plans and use the truck to thin out the zeds. then drive the truck over and pull up with the passenger side against the side of the shop.

before leaving the mall i would have cut a hole in the truck box's top and put up a ladder from mall maintainance , secured through the hole at an angle so andy wouldn't break his leg. you could transfer as much from the shop at minimal risk. not to mention thin out the zeds. you don't have to destroy them, just bust em up so they can't chase you.
pat

[Captain Hawk]

skip all the complicated, silly plans and use the truck to thin out the zeds. then drive the truck over and pull up with the passenger side against the side of the shop.

before leaving the mall i would have cut a hole in the truck box's top and put up a ladder from mall maintainance , secured through the hole at an angle so andy wouldn't break his leg. you could transfer as much from the shop at minimal risk. not to mention thin out the zeds. you don't have to destroy them, just bust em up so they can't chase you.
pat

yeah, but look at how the two buses got so surrounded with necros that they couldn't even move until CJ threw that propane bomb.

I'm starting to favor the idea of making Nichole, chips, Phiefers character, the zombie baby, run in one direction with a bunch of raw meat attached to them, then Andy can leg it across the road.

[3xmortis]

if i was andy, and had tottaly run out of food, i would have been on the rooftop 24-7, blasting away zeds until i was out of ammo, then using the very last bullet on my self.....i mean it would be a buggered way to spend the remainer of your life, but at least u would have helped the mall survivors a little......

[Boozbie]

yeah and you would get the joy of shooting some 5000 zombies

Im still going with my plan to get food to Andy. Its simple just have Andy throw a rope within a foot or two of the manhole cover pop up grab the rope pull it into the sewer tie bag of food to rope and pop up and throw it out onto the street and close the lid again. Andy pulls up food, simple as that all you need is some rope.

[detpat]

i've seen that sort of thing happen in reality, and the only reason the buses stopped was that the driver put on the brakes. in reality you can just drive right through the crowd. not to mention that the truck is more powerful than the shuttles.

also in reality propane cans don't explode like that. hell, take the truck and the shuttles out and play zed soccer. use the shuttles to keep the truck mostly clear. it would work just fine, and be less dangerous than most of the other plans.
pat

[SurvivalOfTheLeastTasty]

yeah and you would get the joy of shooting some 5000 zombies

Im still going with my plan to get food to Andy. Its simple just have Andy throw a rope within a foot or two of the manhole cover pop up grab the rope pull it into the sewer tie bag of food to rope and pop up and throw it out onto the street and close the lid again. Andy pulls up food, simple as that all you need is some rope.

Solid plan. I'd add to have Andy shoot any zombies that get too close to the manhole while the team is at work. The most vulnerable time is when that manhole cover is opened.
They could move all sorts of supplies back and forth that way.

[Chaz McBane]

Solid plan. I'd add to have Andy shoot any zombies that get too close to the manhole while the team is at work. The most vulnerable time is when that manhole cover is opened.
They could move all sorts of supplies back and forth that way.

I think thats the best idea so far.:drinking:

[Corpse Grinder]

If I was Tucker, I would never have switched with Steve & gone with the rescue party. I would have stayed at my post & hoped CJ would take the keys from Steve & used him as bait. It's only a movie but you know that if there really was an outbreak & you're in a similar situation, it's best to weed out the slackers because people like that are the ones who usually get people hurt or killed.

Also, at the end when the survivors are on the boat, Ken should have thrown the camera off of the boat so Terry and idiot dog girl, Nicole, would be more alert.

[Boozbie]

I think thats the best idea so far.:drinking:

Yup we got ourselves a solid plan here....almost too solid wheres the risk? Wheres the montage of us gearing up for some rediculously hasty and ill thought out plan? With a simple yet well thought out idea like that there is a very slim chance for snappy one liners.

[3xmortis]

well apparently theres a dawn of the dead 2 coming out soon, so vmaybe they will do a better job with the new one than the last lol :lol:

[Captain Hawk]

I think CJ copped a lucky break when he threw the propane cannister at the zombie hordes. That one zombie who looked like 'the thing' was very accomodating. He led it high in the air so CJ could shoot it.